The Latest Attack On Prop 13 (09/17)

Susan Shelley from HJTA with details on the latest attack on Prop 13

John tells his Santa Monica homeless guy story

Carl DeMaio on Prop 50 polling

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I am six forty you're listening to the John Cobel
podcast on the iHeartRadio app. There is another attack on
Prop thirteen, the proposition passed in nineteen seventy eight to
stabilize your property taxes, keep them from going sky high.
And there have been some court decisions that have led

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the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association to promote a new proposition
and they want you to sign it save well, a
new referendum Saveprop thirteen dot com. And to explain all
this is Susan Shelley from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. Susan,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm great, John, thanks so much for having me today.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
All right, what is this new threat to Prop thirteen
and where did it originate?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, it originated in the fact that Howard Jarvis new
in nineteen seventy eight that if you capped property taxes,
they'd come at us for the same money by another name,
with another tax of the same people. And so there
are a bunch of protections in Prop thirteen, but two
thirds vote required certain local taxes, they have to go
on the ballot, they have to get a two thirds vote. Well,

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in twenty seventeen, the California Supreme Court sort of hinted
without actually deciding that if a tax increase is put
on the ballot by a so called citizens initiative, the
constitution doesn't apply at all. Including Prop thirteen, it doesn't
apply at all. So now what we're seeing is special
interest groups writing their own tax increase, collecting the signatures

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to put it on the ballot, and instead of a
two thirds vote, it passes with a simple majority. And
we have seen that pass. Measure Ula, which is the
huge real estate sales tax essentially on high value property
and the sales tax on everything else in La County
went up last November because of one of these citizen
initiative tax increases that coincidentally directed all the money to

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the people who sponsored the initiative. So this is a
huge problem. Yeah, if you say the constitution doesn't apply,
there's no protection at all.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It took this long. I mean we're talking now forty
seven years before somebody figured out there was this loophole exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It just threw out all the previous decisions. This has
been a back and forth on different subjects where the
politicians would say, well, it's not a tax it's a
fee and Prop thirteen doesn't apply. And so Howard Jarvis
went back to the ballot and passed Prop two eighteen
in nineteen ninety six, closed a bunch.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Of those loopholes.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
This has been back and forth since nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
All right, so what is I assume your organization is
behind the sponsorship of this new referendum.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yes, okay, as Stankupol is the proponent. And if at
saveprop thirteen dot com, you can print the official petition
at home and sign it and nail it in.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, that's easy. And what's the name of the website again.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Save prop thirteen dot com?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Save prop thirteen dot com and you can download it,
print it, sign it or sign it, print it and
sign it and then send it in and you've done
your duty.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Exactly right, exactly that's all you have to do. You
write your name and address, you sign it, you sell
out a little form at the bottom with your name
and address, and you sign it and you put it
in the mail.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Otherwise, sky's the limit on all these new taxes that
could be coming as long as it's a quote citizens initiative.
But these people aren't pure citizens. They're activist groups, their
lobbyist groups, and they're trying to raise money for their industry.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Exactly, it's the unions that are trying to raise their
own wages, and it's the different groups that get contracts
from the government. They want funding so they can get
the contract and they direct the whole thing to themselves.
They write it and they spend the money to get
it on the ballot, and then they're exempt from the
two thirds requirement.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Really nobody noticed this loophole or had the Supreme Court
blocked this sort of thing in the past.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, interestingly, the Supreme Court created this with a comment
or two in a decision in twenty seventeen, and then
the appellate courts just ran with it and they keep
widening and widening exemption. And last year the Howard Jarvis
Taxpayers Association helped to qualify the Taxpayer Protection and Government
Accountability Act, which closed this loophole. And guess what, Gavin

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Newsom sued over it to have it taken off the ballot,
and the California Supreme Court went along with him and
they took it off the ballot. So what we've done
with this measure is the lawyers worked very hard to
make sure that it was narrow and it stayed exactly
within what the Supreme Court said was allowable for an initiative,
even though they disagreed with the whole decision last year,

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they went strictly by the book and they made it
very narrow. So it can't be thrown off the ballot
this time. But we need a million signatures by the
middle of February, and everybody has to tell ten people
to go to savefrop thirteen dot com if we're going
to get there.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Okay, that's a lot of signatures, a million verified signatures, right,
they passed their their inspection.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yes, eight hundred and seventy five thousand verified signatures.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I see.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, but you need over a million in order to
give yourself that cushion. Oh yeah, y, all right, well listen,
anything we can do to help gather more signatures, you
let us know.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I sure appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
All right, Save prop thirteen dot com. Save prop thirteen
dot com. Download this and print it out, sign it
and mail it in and we'll get a head start
on the whole process. Thanks Susan for coming on. Thank you,
ton Susan Shelley with the Howard Drivers Taxpayers Association. We

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will continue at three point thirty. We've got oh, this
is yeah, meaning to get to this after three thirty.
Carl Demayo's on, there's some new polling on Prop fifty,
which we're going to vote on what about six seven
weeks on election day in November. There's not much on

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the ballot. It's an off year election, but Prop fifty
was thrust on the ballot. And this is going to
take away the commission, the independent commission that we all
agreed to in twenty ten to draw the lines for
congressional districts.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
And you may have heard what Newsom is doing.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
He wants to get rid of that commission and have
his buddies draw the lines so the Democrats can get
more seats in Congress from California. Right now, they have
the advantage is what forty nine No, it's forty forty
three to nine, Yes, Democrats forty three to nine, and

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Newsom wants and makes it forty eight to four, which
is terribly unfair because over forty percent of the state
votes for Republican congressional candidates.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
And if this thing passes, you're only gonna.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Get four out of fifty two, which is less than
ten percent. Over forty percent of the public expresses a
Republican preference, and less than less than ten percent will
actually be Republican congressman because they're going to draw the districts,
and I've seen the maps, and the districts are bizarre

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and it's wrong.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's just wrong. More coming up.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
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Speaker 2 (07:29):
Voiceline Friday eight seven seven Moist staty six eight seven seven,
Moist staty six. Call in there's plenty and also use
the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. We'll do it
twice on Friday in the three o'clock hour. I've mentioned
earlier in the show that their I tried to call

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Santa Monica nine one one today. I did call them
to report a crazed homeless man who is sitting on
a low wall on the front lawn of a private
residential property in Santa Monica. I was just driving to
pick up a bagel and I saw this guy in
an enormous amount of garbage with him, and he was
sitting there and he was clearly schizophrenic and he's talking

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to an imaginary friend and he's agitated and he's waving
his arms and I got the third degree from the
nine to one to one operator. Let this be a
warning in Santa Monica. Well you probably know this. The
nine one one operator in this case didn't give a crap.
And I found out later that they assign urgency between
one and five. So apparently I got the five because

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I found out later the cops didn't show up for
two and a half hours, and mister drug addict, mental patient,
lunatic was gone. And this is the value system of
the Santa Monica City Council. And Karen bass Is, you
let these people even if they're on private property. Can
you imagine imagine when you grew up that this went on? Jeez,

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And for some reason, this has infiltrated our neighborhood. Just
this week, we've had two guys within a half mile,
one of them screaming crazy in the street. A woman
with a shopping cart filled with enormous amounts of garbage.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
And it all is garbage. It's not possessions.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's garbage that they pulled out of a dumpster, or
it's stuff they stole. She was actually parked right in
front of the entrance to a school. All this quarter
a half mile away from the house. Okay, this is
the closest one today.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
This is.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Like two minutes two minute walk just you know, maybe
fifteen second drive. There's a cross street near me, and
if I go to the corner and go two houses,
I'd be at another corner. Somebody put this on on

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one of those neighborhood sites. This person wrote, Hey, all,
wanted to alert you about something that just happened. I
was out walking and noticed a black car I think
a Honda, parked on the corner of blank and Blank. Okay,
well that's the closest intersection near my house, Blank and Blank.
I was doing a loop and noticed it was there

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several times, so as I glanced over as I walked by,
and the man in it quickly pulled up his pants.
He was staring at his phone, and I believe he was,
let's say, pleasuring himself. I quickly texted the security company,

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who responded right away, but he had already left. I'm
sure because he saw me immediately take out my phone
and we made eye contact.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Staler. It's very concerning. So I've got a guy.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Within I don't know, maybe five six houses from my house,
just around the corner, and he was sitting in the
Now this guy at least had a roof over his head.
Is a residential area, and it's out of the way
residential area. Was he suddenly overcome with lust and he's

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staring at the phone. So he's piping in some porn.
Stops in front of a normal person's house and takes
his pants down in the car and starts whacking away.
And this lady saw the car wasn't moving. Guy was
in there suspicious. She looks in It's like, oh my, yes,

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he's doing that. That's what he's doing. Are they intentionally
sending these people into peaceful neighborhoods?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Are they doing that? Are they burned down the palace?

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Now?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
What's the next step? They're gonna drive?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
They can't do two fires in a year, so they
got to destroy other nice neighborhoods by sending in all
the creepy, crazy people.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Right, I'm starting to believe that.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm starting to believe in conspiracies because why would you
do this?

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Why would you do this? And what else is he doing? This?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Is this post came across at ten this morning, ten
in the morning, and I think the woman posted it,
you know, almost right away. So this guy's just starting
his day. Oh little pick me up in the morning.
When we come back, Carl de Myles coming on.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Carl is.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
The assemblymen from San Diego, Republican, and he's got an organization,
Reform California, and right now he's got a lot of
fights going on and he's fighting prop He's got some polling,
interesting polling.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Talk about it. When we come back.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM
six forty.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
We're gonna talk with Carl to bya. Now, Carl is
the assemblymen in San Diego, the Republican. He has an
organization called Reform California, trying to stop the insanity, and
he has fights on many fronts these days, and a
big one is Prop fifty. Prop fifty is what Newsom
and the legislature is jammed down the ballot and I

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guess we're going to vote on it election day first
week in November, just six seven weeks away. We have
had an independent commission to draw congressional district lines for
fifteen years and Gavin Newsom wants to end that commission
and have it replaced with his people so that he

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could have the lines drawn his way. Right, we have
a hand is in the hand is the power is
in the hands of the independent commission. That's what the
people want. They voted for a referendum in twenty ten.
We voted sixty one to thirty nine for this commission,
for this system. And Newsom is now trying to bamboozle
everybody into getting rid of it. Let's get Carl Demyo

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on how you doing.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Carl, Well, you know you just mentioned we've got six
weeks to try to save democracy and defend fair elections
from the very people who say that in order to
save democracy we must destroy it. That's basically what Prop
fifty does, is that it eviscerates any notion of fairness
in the drawing of lines for districts or elections and

(14:44):
allows politicians to jerry mander go behind closed doors. Now
they're saying it's because of Texas, Texas, and that is nonsense.
First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. You know,
we should not be getting rid of California's goods system
because and Texas are bad. And I do think Redistricting

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through jerrymandering by politicians is bad no matter who does it.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, what technically he's doing is wrong as well. That's wrong,
and this is wrong.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
But secondly, but secondly, these politicians have always wanted the
power back. They wanted they were thinking about doing this
before Texas came up, and we have the emails and
the documents.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
To prove it.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
And so this is nothing more than the window dressing.
Who is doing you know, what Trump is doing is
being used as the convenient excuse to give politicians the
power back. And my hope is that voters are are
careful and then they're going to be very concerned about
the fairness factor here and they're going to vote no,

(15:46):
vote no on Prop fifty. The polling shows that it's
a tight race. The Governor's office raised a poll showing
that they say fifty two percent of Californians are going
to vote yes, forty four are going to vote no.
The Republicans reproduced a poll showing it's forty eight percent
yes and forty one percent no. I think both those

(16:08):
polls are probably in the right neighborhood right now. Prop
fifty that Democrats Newsom has an edge because people are
pretty confused. But the more people learn about Prop fifty
and the closer they look, the more they go to
the no side. And so I want everyone to understand,
even in the blue state of California, Prop fifty is
a winnable fight. It is a coin toss. And that's

(16:30):
why I'm urging everybody who cares about fair elections, who
wants to have Prop to fifty defeated, get off the couch,
get into the fight. We have a website, defendfair Elections
dot org. We need everyone to sign up at that
site and join us at one of our events coming
up in.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
October Defendfairelections dot org. I got the fight, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Mean, it's an independent commission. In fact, Schwartzenegger had four
members of the commission at his event the other day
at USC and asked all four publicly, anybody call you
with recommendations on how to redraw the districts And they
all said no, So they weren't interested in the people

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who did it, who do it, who have been on
the commission.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Well, and let me let me explain to people how
the voters in twenty ten created the system that we
wanted to defend. It's a very good system. Commissioners are
randomly selected and they have to be balanced between Republicans, Independents,
and Democrats. Secondly, all of the proceedings of the Commission
are televised live, so no back room meetings can be done,

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and the lines are drawn on live TV and people
can come and testify and you can see why lines
are being drawn. Third, the commission is prohibited from running
for office for ten years. Fourth, they're mandated that they're
not allowed to consider partisanship or incumbent uh protection of politicians.

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And finally, the map has to be adopted by a
majority of each party's commissioners and so it has to
be a bipartisan vote. I mean, this is such a
fair process, and now news someone wants to eviscerate that,
ruin it, eliminate it, and give the power back to
these politicians for them to basically corruptly trade votes. This

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is insane that anyone who says that their for democracy
would even vote for this bad idea and knew sub Crab.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Won't even say who drew the lines and why, so.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
We've asked multiple times. I filed an ethics complaint with
the State watchdog for ethics because someone paid for all
the lobbyists to develop these maps at the politician's direction.
And I want to know who which special interest would
dark money fund wrote the check and we're not even
being given that information. This, this is such a fraud,

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and this is why the voters said politicians should never
be involved.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Does the No.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
One Prop fifty side have some money because I've had
people tell me they see an avalanche of yes on
fifty commercials and then they go and they read about
it online and they realize what a scam this thing is.
But you know, the first, the first message seems to
be coming from the Newsom side on this.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Well, Newsom has more money than he knows what to
do with all those special interests. He's also using government
money to turn out the vote. We know that the
election itself costs two hundred fifty million dollars for an
unnecessary election. That's a quarter billion dollars in the middle
of a budget deficit as they're raising taxes and cutting services.
But on top of that two hundred and fifty million dollars,

(19:47):
we know that there's hundreds of millions of dollars being
given to left wing groups to harvest ballots, and so
we are up against you know, Goliath, But we do
have a grass campaign neighbor telling neighbor, friend telling friend,
and so people when they sign up at the website
defendfairelections dot org will be given doorhangers and palm cards

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and information that they can share on email and text
with their friends, so that we can have a grassroots
campaign to get the message out. But no, we are
not going to be able to run as many deceptive ads.
It's to have a Newsom. But we do believe with
enough people joining the fight at defendfair Elections dot org,
we can get the message out all right.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Bottom line is we've had this independent system since twenty ten.
It was passed by the voters sixty one to thirty
nine back then. The system works best for the reasons
you laid out. You describe how it goes, and this
is what we ought to have, an independent system and
to give it to newsom's henchmen. Oh that that's criminal,

(20:50):
that's just awful. So again the name of the website.
You want people to call up.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
On line the website defend FAE Elections dot org and
then please sign up to join me at one of
our multiple events in southern California. We're gonna go everywhere.
We have a big bush starting on October fourth. We'll
be at events so you can get the list of
events on that website as well. Defend Fair Elections dot org.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
All right, Carl Demayah, the Republican Assemblymen out of San Diego,
thank you for coming on again.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
All right, well, and do that because this is this
is a really really bad idea and it's just wrong.
We the public settled the issue, you know, ten years ago,
and and and what Newsom is doing now is he's
just bombing the airwaves with lies and nonsense, trying to

(21:45):
squeak out a win here. And the whole thing is wrong.
This is not what the public wants. But if all
you get is new some lies in his stupid commercials,
then you're gonna be awfully confused.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM
six forty.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
ABC has pulled Jimmy Kimmel's show off the air indefinitely
after everything he said about Charlie Kirk's killer. I don't
have his comments in front of me. Ray, if you
could print something out real quick, just so I could
read them accurately. I know he was really spewing nonsense, but.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
It is. The show's been suspended. That's just breaking. We
just had.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Carl Demya on about Prop fifty, which you vote no.
On Prop fifty, you vote no. We already have an
independent commission to draw the redistricting lines here in California
for congress people, and Newsom has come up with a
system that he is that he allowed outside interest to buy,

(22:58):
and now he's going to try to get it rammed
through with this special election. It's costing US two hundred
and fifty million dollars in tax money for it. He's
also using all his friend's money to buy lots of lie,
lots of ads that lie and mislead. Steve Hilton. We're
gonna have mont tomorrow. Don't know what time yet, but

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Steve Hilton, he is the Fox News commentator who's running
for governor as a Republican here in California, and he
has filed legal action in federal court to California's new
redistricting plan, which he says is unconstitutional. It violates the
principle of one person, one vote, also violates the guarantee
of equal protection under the law, and among other things.

(23:42):
This referendum that's on the ballot does not specifically repeal
the section that limits redistricting. It also breaks up communities
of color and ethnicity, and California has had a history
of not redistricting in the middle of a decade. It's
only permissible if the plan was invalidated by a judicial

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decision or nullified by a referendum.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, I know, I I saw. What did he say?
You know, i'd call it if you know, tell me
because I was reading about it. But I can't. He said,
Jimmy Kimmel here getting a show.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
He said something about, uh, the mag He said something about,
uh the the the murderer was was a maga and
uh and he was carrying on about that.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
And and I think he was he was goofing, or
he was joking, or he was just you know, he's
just Kimmel. He's just a he's a bubblehead. He's a
he's an you know, you know, you can't take anything
he says too serious.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
He's just he's just a joke. He's just a goof Yeah.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
But the maga's got a you know, they they uh,
they get crazy and you know, and and and everybody's
watching everybody at this point. And so the FCC guy,
the chairman, gets on some podcast and then he says,
you know, we're going to take a look at this thing,
and you know, everybody's watching everybody.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
What he said is the Maga gang is desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
other than one of them and doing everything they can
to score political points from it.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
And then yeah, you're a FCC commissioner.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
The chairman, Brendan Carr, threatened to take action against Disney
and ABC over the comments.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yes, I'll find the tape. We'll have it tomorrow for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, definitely, because Trump has suggested that the FCC ought
to go after the broadcast licenses of the networks, all
the network owned and operated stations like Channel seven here
in LA have it taken away.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, give it to us, Yeah,
let us. Yeah, it's just stupid, it's not true. He's
clearly not a maga guy. He's got a relationship with
a furry. I mean, everybody's just out of their minds
at this point. It just great. Yeah, chaos, it's great
to watch.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, that's all right, we love chaos, al right, when well,
Conway's coming up next, and we'll be back tomorrow after
one o'clock and we'll have Steve Hilton on, the Republican
candidate for governor, who's finally a lawsuit to stop Dowson's
redistricting plan. So there's just not enough time these days. Hey,
you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You
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