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June 25, 2025 33 mins

In today’s episode, we dive into the latest K-pop news, chart-topping songs, exciting group reunions, and more.We’re also joined by Nina Orm, founder of The Agora Fund, for a powerful conversation about how artists get funded, how creative industries grow, and how cultural movements influence global power.If you care about the business behind the art, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to The K Factor Everything k
Pop hosted by Bomhan.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Today, we have another exciting episode for you guys today
with our expert Nina Orn talking about the intersections of
art and K pop. So little boring, but this is
something that I'm very passionate about and I'm very excited
to bring to the people, which is also her mission.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
So uh, this will be a great episode to kick
us off.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Though, we always have the latest news and updates that's
happening in K pop today. So something that has been
happening lately is Juan Kouk. He's made his return from
the military very recently and he wore a make Japan
Great Again hats during one of his pre concert rehearsals
and it immediately sparked controversy online and it turned out

(00:56):
to be this huge, crazy storm, but he immediately apologized
and through his own words, said that he discarded the
hat immediately. Through his words, it turned from this huge,
kind of controversial storm to kind of an endearing moment
where you realize this is sincerity and how he actually
cares about his fans and his feedback and everything. So
that's what happening with junkuk and that's something that happened

(01:19):
and is now passed. Straight Kids releases their first Japanese
EP in three years, named Hollow, with the last one
being Circus in twenty and twenty two. Kapop Idols releasing
music in Japanese has been like this old trending thing
that's been happening for like ten plus years, and it
kind of reminds me of like American artists kind of
doing like songs in Spanish, you know, and trying to

(01:41):
like cross over to like their neighbors.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
This this kind of like Korea's equivalent. They make a.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Japanese album, if it does like well enough, then they'll
make a Chinese album. And a lot of times they
don't speak Japanese. They also don't speak Chinese. So I'm
excited to hear that, and good Luxury Kids. Rose a Pot,
my seven year old neph my seven year old nephew's
favorite song ever is still in Billboards top one hundred

(02:07):
for thirty five weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
That is a record breaking longest run in kpeof history ever,
So congratulations to Rose and brutal Mars and Rose.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
With that.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
As we talking about Rose, there's also news happening with
Black Pink, Rose will join her former bandmates Jenny, Gisu
and Lisa for a tour named Deadline. People are kind
of naming the name because they think it's a little
bit too soon for them to have a world tour.
They're all kind of coming off of their solo projects
right now, so they're like, all, how are they gonna
fit this in their schedule? And they're saying it's called Deadline,

(02:40):
you know the other I'm not you're gonna make fun
of them. I support I support them, and I hope
that they will do great.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I'm very excited to see how it will turn out.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
And with Black Pink coming back, BTS Coming Back BTS,
the final Infinity stone in BTS, Suga is coming out
of the military finally. So this is an exciting exciting
time for kpop right now. We have Voye Plant two
coming out. My group that I was talking about two
weeks ago, All Day Project, also made their debut last week.

(03:10):
We took a little bit of a vacation from the
podcast to kind of focus on all the preparations for
the music video and all this stuff. As we approach
LA and the release of dum So Thank you guys
for understanding your patients for kind of like the week
without the episode, and yeah, that's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
That's what's happening in K pop today and these are
the exciting news.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
And we're gonna move on to another segment that we
have on our Instagram K Factor podcast. We do fan engagements.
We asked you guys to participate on the show. We
invite you guys to come on, and this week's segment
is you guys kind of submitting a question for us
to answer live on air. The first question that we

(03:51):
have is from fay Tans fay Tans Angel, and she asked,
what was the hardest part of training? I want to
audition for a company, but I don't know how it is.
She's talking about K pop and my time in Korea
when I was training there. The hardest part about training
is I think sleep every single day. I think I

(04:12):
slept like three hours if I was lucky, and then
it kind of like, is not that bad the first day,
and the it's not that bad the second day, and
then the third day you're kind of like, Okay, this
kind of stinks, and by like the like the second
year in a row, you kind of like the alarm
rings and you just gotta find a way to get up,

(04:32):
and you just gotta just gotta get them.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
No matter what.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
It never gets easier. And uh, you want to audition
for a company, but you don't know how it is.
We have a bunch of conversations about K pop on
our podcast. You can find us on iHeartRadio app. And
I talked to a former kpot trainee. I talked to
like idols and all these things, and I hope you
can find some inspiration about the experiences and kind of
like the insight on what that's like.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
So thank you for your question Faetan's. And next we
have Molly k Dot.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
She asked, can you give us some spoilers of the
concept of the album or music video? Okay, so we
have a song coming out called dum and a spoiler
of the concept. What can I say, Becauley, Yeah, that's
all you get. That's all you get, because yes, that's
all you get it sparkly there you go, all right.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Next we have.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Next we have Harper Wilson for four two. She asked,
what is your goal as an idol? My goal as
an idol? Actually, I'll be able to answer this a
little bit more in depth in today's episode, because it's
kind of about the nuances of art and like what
it is that we represent. But I want to be
there for people that the same way that art was

(05:43):
there for me when I was a kid, and it's
to have someone to look up to, have someone that
they see that's very similar to themselves. And yeah, I
want to inspire and I want to provide comfort for people. Yeah,
that's kind of it. And if it works out for
one person, then then everything was a success. Next, we
have BKM Entertainment. She asked, when can b KM have

(06:07):
a cameo on the podcast? Honestly, probably next week and
that goes for all of you guys. If you guys
follow us on social media at k Factor Podcast, you
guys can find resources where you can sign up to
be a guest on this podcast. This podcast is all
about the fans, So if you guys want to engage
and do all these things, just engage with us and
we engage back with you live on here.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
So so probably soon be KM.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
And they told me to address you specifically be Cam
because you guys are amazing fans, so thank you. Next
we have Matsy Barnier. She asks, what is a motivational
quote you go by that helps?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wow, motivational quote that you go by that helps? Hmmm, wow,
I picked this question. I didn't even I don't even know.
Maybe maybe i'll ask Nina later.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
She could give me one. Sorry, matt Sorry, Mattie.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
We have truly under school with Beaumont's girlfriend. Oh okay,
all right, that's news to me, ask K pop News.
Thank you, Julia. Okay, what are you doing now that
you couldn't do as an idol before? And I love you?
Oh what am I doing now?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think see my family? That's pretty that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm in New York right now, and I'm kind of
living with my mom while i'm here, and it's so amazing.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I have to wake up every day and see her.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And it's like you kind of like take these things
for granted, and like they're kind of like getting a
little bit older, and uh, when I spend like my
six years in career, I literally I talked to them
like once every like four or five months, and I
miss them so much. So that's something I'm doing now.
So yeah, thank you for asking Julia and that's it
for fan questions, and Maddie, we will get back to you.
I promise I need some inspiration these days. Maybe it
will help me all right, these this is our K

(07:47):
pop news, This is our fan questions and next coming up.
Today's guest is a visionary at the forefront of culture, capital,
and creative innovation.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Stay with me because I've tried this problem three times ready.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Nino orm is the founder and general partner of the
Agora Fund, a venture capital fund investing in cultural innovation
through the creative economy. Her work lives at the intersection
of creativity, culture, and finance, with a mission to reimagine
how we fund, value, and sustain creative work in society.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Stay with me.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
She's also the voice beats Beat. She's also the voice
behind Creativity Meets Capital, a newsletter exploring the business of
culture and the future of creative infrastructure from fashion to
film to fine art and maybe k pop. If you
care about how artists, how creative industry scale, or how
cultural movements shape global.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Power, this is a conversation that you don't want to miss. Everybody,
please welcome Nina or thank you for coming onto the show.
And I am very nervous about this conversation because, like
I told you earlier, I was scrolling through your content
and I was like, this is a lot of big words.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
No, yep, don't be nervous. I'm nervous. You're nervous. I'm
feeling your energy.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Oh okay, So we gotta be chilled.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, this is chill. This is already me like kind
of chill. Like I wake up and I started my
day with like six coffees.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, and like I take like pre workout before like
going to the gym and stuff, Like I'm like a
caffeine head.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
It's really bad.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
So you don't sleep much?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
You just no, he do sleep a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
That's the problem. That's why I have so much energy.
Is Yeah, I'm kind of like shake it off at
all times. Whoo well, okay, I just sorry. So before
we invited her on, she was like, I'm kind of
like a yapper. Is that okay? I'm like, yeah, me too,
sonord to not go through like kind of us up

(09:44):
all the time that we have. Yeah, could you also
talk about yourself? Yeah, So just a little bit quick
hits about me. So I've always been a creative at heart.
My mom kind of always would talk about like Nina,
you're like my little renaissance child. And we were talking
about before, like how I'm also Cambodia and my mom
is from Cambodia. So when I pitched to her when

(10:07):
I was thinking about going off to college of like
what am I gonna do with my life creativity or
career in that was not an option.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
She was like, can you get a real job? And
to her point, I was just like we only had
so much information. She's she's gone through so many things
in her life and especially escaping political violence in Cambodia,
So it was the focus was always like stability and
like financial security. So I went in and I worked
in politics. That's where I started my career, and eventually

(10:38):
I went into finance. But I'm an astro girly, I'm
a pisce. He's at heart, So I'm like I was
going through my stat in return, I'm like, what makes
me happy? Because finance, girl, it is not it not
in the traditional sense. So I was like, what makes me,
what brings me joy? What it's gonna like get me

(10:59):
to like get up in the morning on a one
hundred and ten percent, and I just thought the answer
lies in your childhood, and for me, it was, let's
go back to being a creative, but apply all the
skills we learn in politics, all the skills we learn
in finance, and create a world that my friends and
I can live in and you don't have to sacrifice

(11:21):
choosing between your passion and like financial stability. You can
actually have both.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
And this led to the thing that I was most
excited for, the Agora Fund.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Correct, what is okay? What is the Agora Fund?

Speaker 4 (11:34):
The Agora Fund is an investment fund. It's like the
first of its kind creative investment fund that backs visionaries
and film, fashion, are in sometimes media. And we're basically saying,
or I'm basically saying that creativity isn't just like a
side project. It isn't just something like a floating thought

(11:55):
or we just enjoy on our leisure time. And it's
actually a major asset and it's the very bedrock and
foundation of society and it drives innovation moving forward. And
I'm just redefining how we invest in it.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Wow, and you're telling me that, like what inspired this
whole thing was like growing up with such like a
passion for art, and then when you like dove into
the finance world, like you're like.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
This is kind of like lifeless.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, like I always used to say that. I'm like,
they're kind of like spiritually bankrupt over there. They could
use a little creativity outlet.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
And you mentioned art as an asset, which I which
I'm very interested in. And also like I think the
reason why like it's important for us to talk about
in terms of K pop too is because k pop
was one of Korea's biggest exports.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, like the country.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know, So it's like this is proof that art
can be an asset and all these things. So like
how how where does that kind of notion come from?
Like the investors, like what is going on in their head?
Whenre We're like, oh, like I don't really see art
as this.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
When I was starting the journey, I left my job
and I like actually didn't know exactly what I wanted
to do. I knew I wanted to help creatives, and
I knew I had the knowledge. So I worked at
an art investment firm in New York. There is one
fun fact, okay, and I took a sales job because
I'm like, you can't have a fund, your own investment
fund while you work at someone else's. So I was

(13:28):
working the sales job, and I would dial like eight
hundred people a day, and they would be like managing directors,
owners of hedge funds, like all these like finance heavy
or high net worth individuals, and they'd all say the
same thing, like I don't know much about art, and
like I don't understand this as an asset class. And

(13:48):
so I would say, because I just I do it
for the love of the game. So like I love
art so much that I've like, this is what I
think about on my free time, Okay, And so I'd
just be like, hey, from an investors standpoint, I'm like,
if you're strictly for the returns, it's a great head
for your portfolio. It outperforms the traditional market by like

(14:08):
the S and P by forty three percent for the
past thirty years. Yeah, yeah, now we're talking, okay. And
then there's something I think is even more valuable than
just the financial the cultural residence. And how when I
position the Agora Fund, when I talk about it too,
it's like I'm ushering in the modern renaissance. And you know,

(14:31):
the Renaissance happened back from the fourteen hundreds up until
like this sixteen seventeen hundreds. It's always a little mushy
there when we talk about the time period because it's
this period of like economic, technological, and cultural boom, so
much advancement happening, and I think it's very parallel to
what's happening now. Okay, you know, I'd say the world's

(14:54):
going through a transition period, whether it's through politics, whether
it's through culture, and even like just technology on its own.
And that was happening in the Renaissance. You had these
creatives that were bankrolled by these families to bring in
not just the art aspect, but like people like da Vinci,
where they actually he drew up these weapons for the

(15:18):
battles that they were fighting during that time period. So
it had it served multiple purposes. But back to the
Yugora fond with the Renaissance, I'm like, I'm just bringing
the Renaissance in modern times in terms of it's not
just a bunch of Italians with great Italians, Okay, it's
like everybody under the sun that's historically been left out

(15:40):
of the fold that people then see as backable.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Was there like a big financial supporter during the Renaissance.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yes, oh okay, yeah, so yeah, the Minici family where yeah,
they were these powerful bankers in Europe. Okay, and they
were like, I have all this money, I have all
this influence, and I see these artists, these geniuses, these
cultural visionaries. I can use them to my advantage to

(16:13):
advance my own motives, but also leave something behind for
people who don't have many g money, right, And I
think we've lost the plot a bit with our billionaires
now in terms. Maybe I'm a little stated, but it's true.
I'm like, uh, something about the fact the ones that
we read about in the headlines all the time, they
just don't understand what was laid out before them by

(16:35):
I like to call them their colleagues where they would
give back to society, Like I think about the Vanderbilts
Grand Central, and they were a railroad family. But you
walk in Grand Central You're like, this is the most
beautiful building I've ever seen. Or libraries, the Mett Museum,
these places where you can just you don't have to

(16:56):
be a billionaire to appreciate the beauty of what was
laid before you mm hm and learn about the past.
So we can bring about amazing change in the future.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think. I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
How like these other things that are typically like invested in, right,
Like it's like it's a clear path, it's clearer for
the investor. It's like, oh, like I invest in like
science probably like cure cancer. I't you know, I invest
in like I invest in this and I will give
me this amount of returns.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
But then there's significance in creativity, yes, and supporting creativity
and a lot of the times, like like you mentioned
when you were a little bit younger and you were like, hey,
I'm gonna go do something creative and they're like, oh,
so you're gonna be homeless.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah yeah, I'm like, oh, like you know.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
But the world is built by these creatives were so
pushed away by this. It's like, we need doctors in
the world, so we reward them with money, you know,
and we make it a promising thing. So I kind
of approach, and we also need artists, like even in
like the Google workspace and like all these things like
they have like all these bright vibrant colors like promote
like creativity and like all these things like it's an
important thing, right, But that people don't really see that.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Which is crazy because to your point, since we were
talking about K pop, right, I'm like, they're the This
industry is the best example I could think of in
terms of this is why you bankroll creatives. K pop
is It's not just music to me when I look
at it, I'm like, this is an empire, and a
very successful one at that. You have music, but you

(18:24):
also have fashion. You have like these cultural moments that
are known that outlive sometimes like even artists or their
moment in the sun that inspire and branch off into
other beautiful things. And we have like kpop and all
these groups. I'm like, I'm still thinking about BTS and
Butter with that, Megna Sta I was like Nega Salliad.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
The first episode that we recorded, we interviewed the person
who wrote Butter, and they were talking about like like
how and it was so beautiful talking about like his
life work was kind of was seen finally by the
public through the vessel of K pop, you know. Was
like like I kind of wrote down earlier, It was
like K pop is is also an intersection of all

(19:06):
these things of finance and film and music and fashion
and all these things and most importantly also finance, because
these companies, like in Korea, the entertainment companies, they're backed
by like these Korean conglomerates. Yeah, who, like they already know,
they're like, yo, we invest in this, this is what's
going to take our country forward, you know, And then

(19:26):
it did and it paid off, and I don't really
see that here yet.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
It's interesting because I know we were kind of talking
before online about like k pop in terms of AI,
which is a it's a dirty word in that creative industry,
especially in K pop, because I did a video on
how the K pop industry does a beautiful job of

(19:53):
kind of giving these language learning models or ll ms
and AI material to work with, knows how to generate
ideas with more cultural nuance, which a lot of technology
does not have a.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Lot of what do you mean by that?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
So when these models are trained, they're trained through a
very specific lens of Silicon valley or just one monolith,
and what tends to happen is it doesn't capture everybody's
experience and lived experience and the beauty in that. So
you have all these cultures that get left off to

(20:30):
the side because there's a very distinct perspective that's training
the models, and then you don't get the best outcomes
because you're not capturing what the world looks like every
day when you walk outside, especially in New York City.
So when we come back to like K pop, I
think it's great that it sets the tone of like, oh, okay,
there's this one culture here. Yes, but then they have

(20:52):
a very beautiful formula of success tied to this culture.
That also strengthens the argument of creativity is a worthy investment.
It's also still driving innovation, right, and the K pop
world is the best example for this. And then I
can go on and on about our fashion Oh my gosh,

(21:13):
but K pop encapsulates everybody in terms of like especially influenced.
I'm still thinking about Lisa from when she was hit
whiteladust oh.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Okay, oh, I think as peopful of how it just
platforms all these things, yeah, right, as kind of like
the position, kind of from the position that you are
looking into k pop and like being like this is
kind of like what my work is about.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
But then it's not really an area that I'm one
hundred percent familiar with. What what are the positives that
you see in like in K pop, and like in
the positive positives of K pop growing as industry and
being more widespread.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I think the positives of the K pop industry is
I always think about community and how important it is
in that we should be building it out a lot more.
And I think a lot of brands, at least in
the United States, like they're they kind of get it right.
I think they just like look for the very quick,
trendy things and they don't do a good job building

(22:13):
cultural infrastructure through community. And I think K pop does
an exceptional job. I mean, it extends beyond its home
roots and it's here like what it tackled in the
United States. I like, I remember my coworkers would tell
me about like, oh I love this K pop star
and I'm not one hundred percent immersed in it, but

(22:34):
it's the fact that it has that level of reach,
right to like this random girl she was from Queens.
It's random, like white girl from Queens. I'm like, girl, what?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
And then it begins with K pop and it's like,
like you said, like a cultural product. So then now
I'm going to x smart and now I'm probably going
to like buy some soju.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I'm going to I'll try.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Some kimchi, you know, and they're like, well, what was
there a k drama on Netflix? I I was s
here for Love Island, but I'll watch this y you know.
So it's like it's like a cultural product that that
like that that cap I was able to bring.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I brought careers to the world a little bit.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, and I love that and I think people need
more of that.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Like and like maybe so many things were inspired like
from the seed of that too, you know, like oh,
like Korean fashion being like more prevalent and like being
bleeding into like other places, and like how people wear
their clothes, you know, all kind of from that seat
to cape out.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, because I had to say. I always love when
people are introduced to new things and cultures. But then
I get mad because I'm like, why can't I buy
anything that I want?

Speaker 7 (23:37):
It's like it's too popular now, like cut the cameras,
like cut the brakes, right?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Were you alley ooping me to the next topic?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
That was kind of crazy?

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, Speaking of which, one thing that we wanted to
talk about was the Labubo toys.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Have you heard about labu bus?

Speaker 4 (23:56):
My god? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Okay, for people who don't know what a labuou?

Speaker 4 (24:00):
What do you know? What could you explain to them?
They're like these ugly little I'm such a hater. They're
like these little dolls with a mischievous smile that are
super popular over in Asia. It started from some company
in Hong Kong, right, but then they just took the
world by storm, these ugly little trolls.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, they're so ugly. I love it. I love how
ugly they are.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Like the Pete Davidson of toys.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Oh wow, I you.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Know, controversial take. I think he's a handsome I think
he's a handling guy, Preete Davison. Okay, all right, but
I also love La Boo boos what okay?

Speaker 4 (24:38):
All right?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
You know it?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Actually it actually started with Black Pink Lisa, one of
the girls who's gonna be touring soon, and she had
one and then boom, it just started going and it
started going in and going. It started with her, and
it's closing again with K pop with the K pop
group seventeen. They recently collaborated on a special edition La
Booo and uh it kind of released with a new

(25:01):
album and it's selling for record breaking thirty.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
One thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
That is a fully decked out twenty twenty five Toyota
Camri for l bubo.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Okay, now I understand why people would say to me,
why is a banana worth millions of dollars? I'm like,
why is that worth a used car?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like?

Speaker 4 (25:20):
What are we like? Maybe a used cars? Aggressive, but
why is that worth a Toyota?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Let's like, no, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
But then like I see this, I see the same
thing for like when I go to like a museum,
I'm like two or three million, what you know? And like,
I also consume a lot of your content about the
safe space, Salon, Yes, and I love it.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And and it's it's kind of like like helping you
understand that barrier because the people the reason why people
are asking why is because they don't they literally don't know,
you know. And then like once I watched videos, I
would pay two point three million dollars for this.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
No, yeah, that's because people are like, why would I
fund creativity. I'm like, well, I gotta explain to them
what I'm looking at. And that's why bird saves to me, Salon,
I'm like, this is what I'm looking at This is
why I care. But until someone creates a series about
these damn little boo boos like I do not. They're
so ugly. Why do you have that? I've seen that

(26:25):
on Maybe this is my brokeass opinion of the day. Okay,
I've seen La boo boos on like those Ermez Burkin
and Kelly Bags, and I'm just like, I turn into
Miranda Priestley. I'm just like, this is no.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
This is crazy. At least Pete Pete Davidson. He's funny,
like that's hot, that's hot. These labuo boos can't talk.
They're just ugly.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Do you know? Do you know a lot about cars?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
A bit the same The same reason I want a
La boobo is the same reason I want to drive
a Masarati.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Mazaratis are useless. There's terrible cars.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
They're terrible cars, but it's a Maserati and it's kind
of like, yeah, they're like that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Okay, But there's a distinct difference between these little booboos
and a Masera. Okay, what is one of them is beautiful? Yeah,
these little booboos are not beautiful.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
They're beautiful and useless, like they're greedy. Oh okay, they're
both Okay, okay, they're like that. Great, Okay, they're ugly
and just less. Damn damn, you can only be one,
I can. Yeah, that's true, that's true. Okay, is there
anything else you wanted to add?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Because I wanted to move on to the next section,
but I feel like there's a lot, there's so much
more to explore here.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Oh, we can yap all day about this one thing.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
In five minutes.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I have five fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
We have fifteen minutes. Yeah, okay, all right, understood. Okay,
so I have nothing to add, No, you can add,
you can add, sure.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Just I mean hot take is like if you have
a loom boo bou charm, I don't think you're flying.
You don't even have the juice. You don't have the sauce.
You don't have the juice because the juice is like
you have you're temporarily like chill and okay, the sauce
is like sauce never expires, it's forever. You don't have
either or everything expires. Like it's not even camp to me,

(28:24):
it's not even camp because sometimes I'm like, like some
things are not ugly, they're just camp. I'm like, this
isn't like Y two k ugly, this is just ugly ugly.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, okay, then okay.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
If this is your least favorite thing, it's yeah, it's
the opposite of timeless.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's time, it's a trend, is a bad?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
What is your favorite piece of timeless art?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
What's the juice?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
What's the more like? What's the sauce?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
What's all that sauce?

Speaker 4 (28:59):
This sauce juice is like, damn, you gotta like that,
but it juice expires, expires, expires.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Sausage forever. What's the sauce?

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Then it's always a competition between a couple. But the
first one that always comes to mind is this school,
the School of Athens, which is a fresco and when
you type it in, everyone has seen it in a textbook.
And I've had the chance to fly to Italy and

(29:31):
see a lot of these works in person, which is amazing,
and I love it because it's just all these Greek
and Roman philosophers in this one agora, and they're talking
about their different ideas and their perspectives, and there's one
viewer that looks like directly at you who's viewing the work.

(29:55):
Everybody else is kind of talking to each other in
the fresco, and it's the woman and her name is Hypatia,
and everyone's like, who the hell is that? And Hypatia
is actually the og for everybody else in that setting.
All these philosophers, all these visionaries, she taught them. They

(30:16):
looked to her, and she lives. This woman who lived
an unconventional life. She just was the pioneer of, like,
I make my own money, I'm educated.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
This was the girl boss.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, and everyone should know about Hypatia. I remember learning
about her, and I remember learning about that piece of
work and I was just like, I loved it. And
when I was thinking of the Agora Fund and how
am I going to market this thing? How am I
going to get people to care? What am I going
to anchor this in? And it came from me scrolling
my phone of my past vacation where I was just

(30:50):
taking pictures because I'm like this and it just like
collects like dust, digital dust in your phone. And I
was just scrolling and inspiration always hits when you least
expect it. So I saw it and I was like,
that's how I'm going to talk about this. That's how
I'm going to talk about how I'm going to redefine
investment in creativity through the renaissance through me being like

(31:13):
a modern day hypatia.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Wow. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, thank you. I will digest
that a little bit. There was a lot of not
that smart.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
What you can't say that? No, everybody smart, everybody smart.
Start asking me about nitty gritty K pop stuff. When
we get to the game, You're gonna be like at
also like I am savants, and I'm gonna be like,
put me in the remedial class because I love my
my butter. I love that because I love like the Stallion.

(31:46):
I love everything she does.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Okay, and thank you for the motivational quote for today
that see I told you I'll come.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Back to you. Juice expires by Sauceage forever period. Thank you.
All right, let's move on to the next session. Yeah,
and thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
You know, and a lot of the things that you
talk about you encapsulate perfectly and wholeheartedly and authentically on
your own social media pages.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
What is your TikTok for the audience?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Ooh, which do I look at the camera? So my
TikTok is at its nina Orm and then I'm also
on Instagram at nino orm, YouTube shorts that one's it's
at at its nino orm and sometimes LinkedIn. I'm doing
a little test there see what the professionals like. They

(32:35):
like to lurk on that platform, they do, they do,
And then subscribe to my newsletter Creativity Meets Capital on substack.
It's where I talk about how creatives get funded, what investors,
how they can learn about the creative markets, and just
some cool guides or foods for thoughts. Again, I love

(32:56):
to yap in person and online.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
If you ever have an upcoming museum date that you
want to impress your date on, you can just go
straight to Safe Safe Space Salon.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, and you will. You will be the most sophisticated
person this person's ever talked to.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
No, literally, I got you all right.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
And that's a wrap on the episode. Thank you Nina,
and see you guys next week.
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