February 5, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, Gates Garcia shares his journey from a successful career in finance to becoming a media personality focused on elevating conservative voices. He discusses the cultural shift that has made it more acceptable for conservatives to express their beliefs publicly and the importance of family values in navigating today's societal challenges. Gates emphasizes the need for optimism, the significance of role models for children, and the keys to happiness and fulfillment in life. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
A nice lady posted on X quote, I'm at a
point where I need to admit that I have postpartum anxiety,
but to describe it in those terms feel stupid to me.
I don't need a therapist. I need a mom that
helps me, and like three old friends or relatives who
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are moms who live within six.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Blocks of me.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
She followed this up with two more tweets. Maybe a
therapist would help that, but the idea of paying a
sitter to find someone I need to pay to listen
to me just feels like making a mockery of my
problems here lol. And then she said, from the outside,
I look like a person with a very vibrant social life.
My friends would be very shocked if they knew how
I was feeling, but I haven't answered. How are you
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doing with anything approaching honesty in like a year? I'm
an emotional mountain man. I completely understand her. People see
messages like this and think there's regret for having the
kid or something like that. I think that's it at all.
Having a child is an indescribable experience. Just little things.
I like to say there are five people in the
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room and then they're a suddenly six. It's magic. It's
a miracle, but it's like a bomb exploding in your life,
but a good bomb picture, like a bomb of roses.
It's gorgeous, incredible, But now there are flowers everywhere, and
eventually they have to be cleaned up. I tweeted quote,
I don't know where life will take my kids, but
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I stress to them that if they stay somewhat near me,
I commit to being there for them in any capacity
they want when they have kids. My mom and in
laws are a giant help in my life, and their
involvement is so good for the kids too. Even after
we move to Florida, my mom and in laws come
visit for weeks at a time to spend time with
the kids. They love the day to day stuff with them,
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giving them breakfast, taking them to school activities. Obviously it's
a huge help to me, but it's also good for
everyone involved. There's this new line that people aren't told
how difficult having a baby will be, and I think
that's untrue. I thought my life would end if I
had kids, and it was very much just the beginning,
but I had it easier than most because I lived
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near my mom and my in laws and both played
an outsized role in helping me raise my kids. A
lot of people say they want this, but then you
know they move away from their families, which sometimes can't
be helped. But sometimes even when they are close by,
new parents can't let go of the control enough to
let their families help. This was very much not me,
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and I think it was because of the example I
had had. I had been very close to my grandmother
and her sister. They had helped raise me. I actually
tell their story in the first chapter of Stolen Youth,
the book I co wrote with Bethany Mendel a year
and a half ago, almost two years ago. Now, they
meant a lot to me, my grandmother and her sister,
and I wanted my kids to have their grandparents in
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the same way I did, for it to be natural
and just a part of our family. Was it always easy?
Did I never have disagreements with my mother and my
mother in law and how to raise the kids. Of
course I did. I still do.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
My mom and I.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Have a big glow up once a year about it.
But big picture, my kids have a real relationship with
all three of their grandparents and it's beautiful. And you know,
I get a bunch of help too. I was able
to work or travel with my husband, which helped our
relationship because I knew they were not just in good hands,
but the hands that I trust most of all. Thanks
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for listening. Coming up my interview with Gates Garcia. But first,
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Speaker 3 (04:48):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Gates. Garcia Gates is a businessman, media personality,
and Claremont scholar and host of the upcoming show We
the People. Hi Gates, So nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Hey, Carol, I'm glad to be here. Thanks, thanks for
doing this well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm really happy to be one of your you know,
kind of first interviews lunch launching your show. I think
that what you're doing is amazing. Do you want to
tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and how
you got from being a businessman very successful in the
world of finance to giving that up and going into media,
which US media people think is crazy, but you know,
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we'd love to see it. Tell us all about it.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, it's a little bit of a full circle moment
for me.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So I studied media and broadcasting in college and I've
always been fascinated by that world and how you know,
messages are are not just delivered to the nation or
the world, but also how they're consumed. And over the
last call it fifteen years, which has been a wonderful, enjoyable,
rewarding career in finance for me, I've watched the evolution
of the news and how much it's changed, and this
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last election cycle and really the last two years motivated
me to sort of start thinking about things differently and
see if there was a way that I could contribute
to the conversation in meaningful ways and sort of fight
the culture war on behalf of conservatives and elevate some
voices that I think need to be elevated. So that
was sort of sort of what brought me here, and
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I'm jumping in full speed with the launch of the show.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Soon do you have a particular beat on the show.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
It's it's really elevating conservative voices. So what I've realized
is that two years ago, conservatives were canceled. If they
came out and we're sort of outed as a conservative,
they were canceled.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And what's that, I said, pre cancels exactly at it,
I know.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But I've noticed that over the last year or two
something's changed where conservatives are now celebrated. You could look
at a lot of popular, famous stories, but it seems
like now when the public finds out that someone famous, athlete, entertainer,
any sort of celebrity with a platform is a conservative,
they're now celebrated.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's been good for their brand and it's been rewarding.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But what I've realized is that there aren't many shows
that are a specific landing place for that. They will
go on other shows, but my show is going to
invite those voices to come tell their stories, both why
they're conservative and how they are conservative in their day
to day lives. And the reason it's called We the
People is because I want to make these people relatable
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to the everyday American sitting on their couch that maybe
it was afraid to put that Trump sign in their yard,
maybe is afraid to wear the name of their church
or synagogue on their shirt or put a bumper sticker
on their car. When they see people with actual platforms
that they're willing to risk to live out their values,
it will motivate, hopefully my viewers and my listeners to
do the same.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Do you feel like you're in that cohort, like you're
risking something to be out in the conservative world and
the conservative movement. I mean, you don't have to You
don't have to do this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Why are you no?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I want to represent my listeners, So I want them
to when they watch the show feel like they're sitting
on the back porch watching or participating, participating in a
conversation with their friends. And these are conversations that I
have been willing to have with my friends on my
back porch for years, but not so much publicly. You know,
I've been sort of closeted when it comes to my
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social media or just media in general. And I said
no more. I'm tired of it. If I'm not willing
to do this, I can't, you know, expect others to
do this as well. So it's time for me to
come join the party and leave a what has been
a wonderful career. But I'm willing to put that on
the line and dedicate the next forty years of my
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life to making meaningful progress in the conservative movement.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
What kind of questions are you planning for people who
are outspoken for the first time, Like are you going
to push them on anything or is it more like
just letting them tell their story?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, they're definitely going to tell their story, because I
think everybody, even if we're talking about sort of the
same thing, everybody's story is different.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
For instance, one thing I really.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Want to get into with them is why they've decided
to come out with their values, because a lot of
the people that are going to be coming on my
show are going to be newly outed, and it's right
hopefully going to be people that have made an active
decision to out themselves. And I want to walk through
sort of what took so long, why weren't you out before?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And what has changed? Is it this presidency?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Is it presidencies of the past, whether we were four
or against that candidate or not. But then the other
thing I want to do is I want to humanize
these people. I want to actually get into their day
to day lives. We talk a lot about why we
believe things, but can we give real concrete examples of
how we manage smartphones in the home for our children
or how often we attend our church. I actually want
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to demonstrate to people this is how they're living their lives,
and I want to walk through very specific circumstances around
those situations.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's interesting that you say, like, why did it take
them so long because I've had people on the show
like Drea de Matteo, she was on the Sopranos. You know,
she was Adriana or Jennifer Say she was an Olympian,
and then she was an executive Levi's, and they didn't
have to come out and talk about their politics. In fact,
they could have just either you know, pretended to be
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liberal or just not said anything at all. They could
have just stayed quiet their whole lives. And so it's
kind of I have to say, it's kind of a
mystery to me why people do it. I don't get
why people take the risk to their livelihoods. Again, I'm
pre canceled. I'm a lifelong conservative. I'm open and out
in media. There's no way for me to get you
know that Genie back in the bottle. But for people
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who don't have to do it, I do wonder why
they do it?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Do you, well, Well, so I noticed, well I have.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I have wondered a lot. And when I think, I
think two things have happened. So One, the media has changed, right,
there are now so many more options available for people
to tell their story than there was before. I mean,
if you go back ten years ago, yeah, even five
years ago. I mean there were a few networks where
that was your only option to go on and they
weren't going to let you tell a story if it
was courageous or conservative or anything like that. We now,
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as you know, Elon Musk was famous for saying when
he bought X, we are the media.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Now. We now have given control.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
We've been given control of the message back to us,
and we can communicate the stories we want to on
the platforms and to the audiences we want to.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
We can sort of curate the media now.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
So there's that, And then what I think has happened
is there's sort of two groups that were closeted.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
There's the person with the platform and then sort of
their fan base. And I've noticed that every time someone
has come out or been outed, it's sort of.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
A compound effect.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh she did, she's a conservative too, and so is
he and the consumer. If we just draw just even
lines fifty to fifty, let's just say half the country's conservative.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
We can play with those numbers all we want.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
At least half the country is begging to know who
they can support when they stream their song, when they
buy their Jersey. They know that those dollars that they're
investing in that platform are being recycled back into their
values and not going to some woke nonprofit or Planned
Parenthood or something like that. So I think that these
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people with platforms have realized that, I mean when they're
When a conservative musician gets recognized as a conservative, his
or her song goes to number one.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Watch what happens with Carrie Underwood.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Now that now that she's come out and said that
she's going to perform at Trump's inauguration, She's going to
be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
She already is.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, I you know, is that attributable to the vibe shift?
And I think there has been a vibe shift, right,
It's gotten cool to support Trump. It's it's different than it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Used to be.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
But does that last? Do you think that? I just
I in my life, I have never seen conservatives kind
of live openly and be open about their politics. In fact,
when I lived in Brooklyn, how I knew somebody was
a non leftist was when they didn't talk about their
politics like you're you're with.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Me, aren't you, Carol. I'm a I'm not a glass
half full guy.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I'm sort of a glasses gushing, an overflowing type guy.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm very optimistic about this. There has been a total
vibe shift.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It is cool to be a conservative, and I don't
know if it's ever been cool to be a conservative.
It's sort of been, you know, kind of wonky and
policy and all that we've we have, we have turned
the tide in the culture war. And to get back
to the first part of your question, I think that's
what changed.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I think. I mean, look, I'm not naive.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Enough to think that we've never been in a culture
war before, but I think that the culture war we've
been in recently has been so amplified by social media
on the Internet, and so it's been so this culture
war has been so much more in our face that
it finally pissed people off enough to say no more.
Because I'll tell you what, what did it for me?
Having kids? I sort of, you know, didn't you know?
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Social issues were important to me? But you know, now
when I go out into when my kids leave the home,
they go out into society, and I can't raise.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Them when they're at school or at the park or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
So I have to ensure that I'm doing everything I
can to make society and culture align with my values
so that it has an end a positive influence on
my kids.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I talk about that a lot on this show, where
you have to lay the foundations at home, and a
lot of people struggle with that because they just they
think that they're not supposed to brainwash their kids or whatever.
But if you're not teaching them your values, somebody else
is filling in that conversation. It's not like they're going
to go and not absorb what's going on out in
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the world. If you're not laying it down at home,
they're filling it in elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Carol.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
If you don't brainwash them, somebody or something else is
going to brainwash them. There's only one way for information
to get into a head, and it's from the outside.
And so as a parent, I think it's our highest
responsibility to raise our children appropriately that you know, you
hope that the parent has the right values, but it's
it's the parent.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
They're the parent. There's a book called Be the Parent, Lead.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Be the Parent. Yeah, Naomi Schaeffer Riley, she's on the
show exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And I'm working on an op ed right now about
all these sort of apps and tools that are giving.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
It's therapy and all that.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I'm all for mental health and improving children's mental health,
but it shouldn't come through a smartphone. It should the
first conversation should come come from the parent.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Absolutely. We're going to take a quick break and be
right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you
worry about?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, you know, I sort of already mentioned this. I'm
like this overflowing optimistic type guy. But that can get
you in trouble, so I try not to do it
to a level that you know, I'm sort of I
sort of put blinders onto the forces that are the
negative forces in the world. We've talked about some of
this stuff already. I mean, I'm very passionate about the
attack on the nuclear family. I think, other than maybe
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the church, the family is the most important institution in society.
And if the nuclear family thrives, American culture and American
society will thrive.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And we've sort of gotten into.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
This abortion glorification, you know, the devaluing of life. I'm
in Florida and we had an amendment on the dock
at this past election, and luckily the Conservatives succeeded, But
it was just The talk around abortion in this state
was horrific. Just the way people look at life as
just a light switch just to be able to.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Flick on or off. That that really worries me.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And you could sort of go back, go through, you know,
all the other things that attack in the nuclear family,
whether it's gender ideology, the fact that men can have
babies now which I don't believe but some people do.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
There's an attack on masculinity.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I'm gonna raise my hand and you know, be risk
the canceling that I talked about and say that we
need strong men in society. There's a role for women
to play, and there's a role for men to play.
And when you when you change the name of the
Boy Scouts to the Scouts, we remove an awesome what
used to be an awesome organization that I participated in
growing up, that taught me things that only a man
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can teach a man.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's that's what I worry about.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's sort of like existential And then you know, personally,
it gets within some of these things we've already talked about.
In my home, raising my kids, who I surround them with.
We have our values and I'm trying to implement you know,
Kelly and I, my wife and I talk about certain
values in our home. Courage, hard work, faith in God, humility,
intellectual curiosity.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
These are things that have to be taught, but not
only but.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
It's our job to teach them and then our job.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
To model them for our kids.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And I worry that, you know, I'm not always the
best model of those things. And I know that my
kids are watching and if I want them to be
living these values at twenty thirty forty years old, then
now's the time, because because we have a captive audience
with kids in our home right now. And so I
worry about am I doing a good enough job as
a father to model, you know, my example for who
I want my kids to be.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
When people are concerned about this as you are, like
let's say the crisis of masculinity, what should they do?
How can they help their kids along with it? When
society is clearly kind of sending them opposite message that
masculinity is bad or masculinity is something that should be
tamped down. Do you have any kind of advice for people? YEA,
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worry about the same things you do.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, give them people to emulate.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Give your kids heroes, Ideally, your mom and your dad
should be your hero. But there are only so many
messages that a kid will take from their mom or
their dad. And there's also only a certain way that
they'll sort of interpret something from their mom and their
dad when they see it modeled in others hard working women.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm writing. I just wrote an op ed that'll be
published soon about four women trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm trying to fight this culture war. It's it's about
for women that you know. I want my daughter to emulate.
She's ten years old. She always tells me what she
wants to be when she grows up. That's going to change,
you know, what I wanted to be at ten.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
But what what shouldn't change is not what she wants
to do, but how she does it. And so I
think we need to give our kids good examples outside
of the home for them to emulate and model a
good life after. So with men, I mean, it could
be football players, it could be executives, it could be
Jesus Christ in our home. That these are examples of
men to emulate. Masculinity is a good thing. We are
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masculine for a reason. Everything has downside you have to
control your masculinity. But there are forces in society that
need good men, just like we need good women, and
so giving our kids and society examples of good men
and good women to model it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Were you always this guy like optimistic and like thinking
things through like this?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I remember the first time I learned the word optimist.
We were driving around and I was a kid, and
I was talking about something and.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
My dad goes, yeah, you're just like your grandfather. We
called him G. Paul. He goes, he is an eternal optimist.
And I said, well, what the hell does that mean?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
He goes, He's never had a bad day in his life. Now,
I've had plenty of bad days in my life.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But you don't seem like you've had bad days. You
seem like you just wake up every day like and
ready to embrace the day.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Well, attitude's a choice. Attitude is a choice, and there's
tons of books on it. But I just look at
the world and it's certainly our country, and I mean,
what's not to be a I mean, we have we're
as prosperous as we've ever been. We're living as long
as we've ever lived. If you're a conservative, we have
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the most supreme court, most conservative supreme court we've maybe
ever had. I just find the good in life because
you have a choice every day when you wake up
good and bad, and there's a lot of both out there,
but you focus on what you want to focus on.
And it's sort of I realize that, you know, happiness,
attitude is contagious. So if I can bring that into
a room or into a into a building, I feel
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other people, you know, feeding off of it, and then
me feeding off of their positive energy. I just I
can't imagine living any other way.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I was out with you last night. My positive energy
was a bit much, and I'm a little bit hurting today.
I'm not laming you, not blaming you for the you know,
being old and not being able to have two drinks
not feeling it the next day. But you absolutely you
have this thing about you where it's a good time
wherever Gates are seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Oh, that's very nice of you to say.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I don't know if my wife agrees with that all
the time, but uh, you know, it takes two to
bout lets each other out.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
What advice would you give a fifteen year old or
sixteen year old Gates Garcia, like, what would you tell
your teenage self?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
So I'm seeing a lot of like a lot of
things we're talking about sort of flow together. I would
say that you know, what you're doing right now probably
does it matter as much as you think it does,
but how you're doing it does.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
One thing that my parents always impressed upon me growing
up was to do hard things.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We have this funny thing.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I have a brother and a sister, and my brother
and I had to wrestle in high school.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It was non negotiable. Really, yeah, it was non negotiable.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
My dad wrestled in college, and he said, the hardest
thing you'll ever do in life physically is wrestle. He said,
wrestle or swim team. I was not a swimmer, and
so he forced us to wrestle. He said, you have
to do it for at least one season if you
hate it, and you never have to do it again.
But you did it for one year, and I'll tell
you that there is nothing more humbling than stepping out
in tights in front of your whole high school gym
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and getting pinned on your back by another man and
the ref raising his hand in front of all your friends.
I mean, it was that was my first wrestling match,
and it was I had never had a humbling experience
like that. So I learned a lot through doing hard things.
We always had to have a summer job. I would
tell every fifteen year old and sixteen year old, get
a summer job. And if you want to motivate and
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me tell them, it's because they're going to make money.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But what you learn the most.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
At that age is how to handle authority, how to
take authority from someone else.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
There's nothing better for a fifteen or sixteen year old
than a.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Crappy boss, because you're going to have plenty of crappy
bosses throughout your life. And the younger you can learn that,
the better. So your first one isn't you know, your
first job out of college. So I would say work,
I would say do hard things. I would just say
start building a value set now in your life that
you can use forever. Because it's one thing to identify
your values. It's another thing to sort of hone them
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and craft them and apply them the more. It's one
thing to say I'm a hard worker. Here's a better example.
It's one thing to say I have courage. Okay, Well,
It's very easy to say you have courage, It's very
hard to apply courage in the necessary situation. So the
earlier you can identify those values that you want to
live out the rest of your life to do so,
so you can start practicing them and learning how to
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apply them more effect.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I love it. Do you get this message across to
your kids or is it harder when you're talking to
actual kids versus theoretical yourself?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That well, I.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Mean you asked me about a fifteen or sixteen year old.
My kids are ten, seven and four. I think we
definitely talk about our values a lot. So we around
the dinner table will say, you know, give me an
example from today of how you were courageous, or what
was something you did today that was hard, or what
was what did you do good today?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Because you need, by the way, you need to celebrate
the good as well.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
But failure and success are all things we talk about
at a ten, seven and four year old level right now,
don't We don't use You're not allowed to use the
word can't.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
In our house now they do, they still do, but
we hate that word. So things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I love that, well. I've loved this conversation leave us
here with your best gates Garcia tip for my listeners
on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, I'll just sort of I'll just sort of sort
of And I'm not qualified by the way to give. Well,
I'm a much better receiver of advice than giver. And
so what I like to do is again model after people.
So I'm obsessed with happiness and joy and not just
having it, but studying how you can have more of it,
how you can find it, how you can give it
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to others. And I think the best authority on happiness
is probably Arthur Brooks. I've read a lot about everything
he said about happiness, and he he, he talks about
sort of a four legged stool, faith, meaningful relationships, meaningful work,
and family. And so you should be managing those four
things in your life at all four times if you
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want to maximize your happiness. Because you can have a
thriving family, you can have a great job, and you
can great friends. But if you don't have faith in God,
then you're missing a key piece there. Or you can
be going to church or synagogue every week and have
a wonderful relationship with God or temple and uh, and and.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Have no friends.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
That's not a that's not a way to go through
life joyfully. So I study that a lot. I would
encourage your listeners to, you know, get their nose in
a book and study happiness and then go study, go,
go actually apply it and try to have more happiness
in their life, because happiness is contagious. In the conservative
the conservative movement could use more happiness. There's that old saying.
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I'm a conservative. I'm just not angry about it.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
We need we need more of that. And so, uh,
I'm all about that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I love it. He is Gates Garcia his news show
has called me the people. Check it out. He's fantastic.
Thanks so much Gates for coming on.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Thank you so much, Carol, thanks so much for joining
us and the Carol Marco would show. Subscribe wherever you
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Having a child is an indescribable experience. Just little things.
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I commit to being there for them in any capacity
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meant a lot to me, my grandmother and her sister,
and I wanted my kids to have their grandparents in
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mother in law and how to raise the kids. Of
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Speaker 3 (04:48):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Gates. Garcia Gates is a businessman, media personality,
and Claremont scholar and host of the upcoming show We
the People. Hi Gates, So nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Hey, Carol, I'm glad to be here. Thanks, thanks for
doing this well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I'm really happy to be one of your you know,
kind of first interviews lunch launching your show. I think
that what you're doing is amazing. Do you want to
tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and how
you got from being a businessman very successful in the
world of finance to giving that up and going into media,
which US media people think is crazy, but you know,
(05:28):
we'd love to see it. Tell us all about it.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, it's a little bit of a full circle moment
for me.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
So I studied media and broadcasting in college and I've
always been fascinated by that world and how you know,
messages are are not just delivered to the nation or
the world, but also how they're consumed. And over the
last call it fifteen years, which has been a wonderful, enjoyable,
rewarding career in finance for me, I've watched the evolution
of the news and how much it's changed, and this
(05:55):
last election cycle and really the last two years motivated
me to sort of start thinking about things differently and
see if there was a way that I could contribute
to the conversation in meaningful ways and sort of fight
the culture war on behalf of conservatives and elevate some
voices that I think need to be elevated. So that
was sort of sort of what brought me here, and
(06:16):
I'm jumping in full speed with the launch of the show.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Soon do you have a particular beat on the show.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
It's it's really elevating conservative voices. So what I've realized
is that two years ago, conservatives were canceled. If they
came out and we're sort of outed as a conservative,
they were canceled.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And what's that, I said, pre cancels exactly at it,
I know.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But I've noticed that over the last year or two
something's changed where conservatives are now celebrated. You could look
at a lot of popular, famous stories, but it seems
like now when the public finds out that someone famous, athlete, entertainer,
any sort of celebrity with a platform is a conservative,
they're now celebrated.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's been good for their brand and it's been rewarding.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But what I've realized is that there aren't many shows
that are a specific landing place for that. They will
go on other shows, but my show is going to
invite those voices to come tell their stories, both why
they're conservative and how they are conservative in their day
to day lives. And the reason it's called We the
People is because I want to make these people relatable
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to the everyday American sitting on their couch that maybe
it was afraid to put that Trump sign in their yard,
maybe is afraid to wear the name of their church
or synagogue on their shirt or put a bumper sticker
on their car. When they see people with actual platforms
that they're willing to risk to live out their values,
it will motivate, hopefully my viewers and my listeners to
do the same.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Do you feel like you're in that cohort, like you're
risking something to be out in the conservative world and
the conservative movement. I mean, you don't have to You
don't have to do this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Why are you no?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I want to represent my listeners, So I want them
to when they watch the show feel like they're sitting
on the back porch watching or participating, participating in a
conversation with their friends. And these are conversations that I
have been willing to have with my friends on my
back porch for years, but not so much publicly. You know,
I've been sort of closeted when it comes to my
(08:13):
social media or just media in general. And I said
no more. I'm tired of it. If I'm not willing
to do this, I can't, you know, expect others to
do this as well. So it's time for me to
come join the party and leave a what has been
a wonderful career. But I'm willing to put that on
the line and dedicate the next forty years of my
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life to making meaningful progress in the conservative movement.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
What kind of questions are you planning for people who
are outspoken for the first time, Like are you going
to push them on anything or is it more like
just letting them tell their story?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, they're definitely going to tell their story, because I
think everybody, even if we're talking about sort of the
same thing, everybody's story is different.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
For instance, one thing I really.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Want to get into with them is why they've decided
to come out with their values, because a lot of
the people that are going to be coming on my
show are going to be newly outed, and it's right
hopefully going to be people that have made an active
decision to out themselves. And I want to walk through
sort of what took so long, why weren't you out before?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And what has changed? Is it this presidency?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Is it presidencies of the past, whether we were four
or against that candidate or not. But then the other
thing I want to do is I want to humanize
these people. I want to actually get into their day
to day lives. We talk a lot about why we
believe things, but can we give real concrete examples of
how we manage smartphones in the home for our children
or how often we attend our church. I actually want
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to demonstrate to people this is how they're living their lives,
and I want to walk through very specific circumstances around
those situations.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's interesting that you say, like, why did it take
them so long because I've had people on the show
like Drea de Matteo, she was on the Sopranos. You know,
she was Adriana or Jennifer Say she was an Olympian,
and then she was an executive Levi's, and they didn't
have to come out and talk about their politics. In fact,
they could have just either you know, pretended to be
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liberal or just not said anything at all. They could
have just stayed quiet their whole lives. And so it's
kind of I have to say, it's kind of a
mystery to me why people do it. I don't get
why people take the risk to their livelihoods. Again, I'm
pre canceled. I'm a lifelong conservative. I'm open and out
in media. There's no way for me to get you
know that Genie back in the bottle. But for people
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who don't have to do it, I do wonder why
they do it?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Do you, well, Well, so I noticed, well I have.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I have wondered a lot. And when I think, I
think two things have happened. So One, the media has changed, right,
there are now so many more options available for people
to tell their story than there was before. I mean,
if you go back ten years ago, yeah, even five
years ago. I mean there were a few networks where
that was your only option to go on and they
weren't going to let you tell a story if it
was courageous or conservative or anything like that. We now,
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as you know, Elon Musk was famous for saying when
he bought X, we are the media.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Now. We now have given control.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
We've been given control of the message back to us,
and we can communicate the stories we want to on
the platforms and to the audiences we want to.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
We can sort of curate the media now.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
So there's that, And then what I think has happened
is there's sort of two groups that were closeted.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
There's the person with the platform and then sort of
their fan base. And I've noticed that every time someone
has come out or been outed, it's sort of.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
A compound effect.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh she did, she's a conservative too, and so is
he and the consumer. If we just draw just even
lines fifty to fifty, let's just say half the country's conservative.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
We can play with those numbers all we want.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
At least half the country is begging to know who
they can support when they stream their song, when they
buy their Jersey. They know that those dollars that they're
investing in that platform are being recycled back into their
values and not going to some woke nonprofit or Planned
Parenthood or something like that. So I think that these
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people with platforms have realized that, I mean when they're
When a conservative musician gets recognized as a conservative, his
or her song goes to number one.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Watch what happens with Carrie Underwood.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Now that now that she's come out and said that
she's going to perform at Trump's inauguration, She's going to
be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
She already is.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, I you know, is that attributable to the vibe shift?
And I think there has been a vibe shift, right,
It's gotten cool to support Trump. It's it's different than it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Used to be.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
But does that last? Do you think that? I just
I in my life, I have never seen conservatives kind
of live openly and be open about their politics. In fact,
when I lived in Brooklyn, how I knew somebody was
a non leftist was when they didn't talk about their
politics like you're you're with.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Me, aren't you, Carol. I'm a I'm not a glass
half full guy.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I'm sort of a glasses gushing, an overflowing type guy.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm very optimistic about this. There has been a total
vibe shift.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It is cool to be a conservative, and I don't
know if it's ever been cool to be a conservative.
It's sort of been, you know, kind of wonky and
policy and all that we've we have, we have turned
the tide in the culture war. And to get back
to the first part of your question, I think that's
what changed.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I think. I mean, look, I'm not naive.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Enough to think that we've never been in a culture
war before, but I think that the culture war we've
been in recently has been so amplified by social media
on the Internet, and so it's been so this culture
war has been so much more in our face that
it finally pissed people off enough to say no more.
Because I'll tell you what, what did it for me?
Having kids? I sort of, you know, didn't you know?
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Social issues were important to me? But you know, now
when I go out into when my kids leave the home,
they go out into society, and I can't raise.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Them when they're at school or at the park or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
So I have to ensure that I'm doing everything I
can to make society and culture align with my values
so that it has an end a positive influence on
my kids.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I talk about that a lot on this show, where
you have to lay the foundations at home, and a
lot of people struggle with that because they just they
think that they're not supposed to brainwash their kids or whatever.
But if you're not teaching them your values, somebody else
is filling in that conversation. It's not like they're going
to go and not absorb what's going on out in
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the world. If you're not laying it down at home,
they're filling it in elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Carol.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
If you don't brainwash them, somebody or something else is
going to brainwash them. There's only one way for information
to get into a head, and it's from the outside.
And so as a parent, I think it's our highest
responsibility to raise our children appropriately that you know, you
hope that the parent has the right values, but it's
it's the parent.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
They're the parent. There's a book called Be the Parent, Lead.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Be the Parent. Yeah, Naomi Schaeffer Riley, she's on the
show exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And I'm working on an op ed right now about
all these sort of apps and tools that are giving.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
It's therapy and all that.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I'm all for mental health and improving children's mental health,
but it shouldn't come through a smartphone. It should the
first conversation should come come from the parent.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Absolutely. We're going to take a quick break and be
right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you
worry about?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, you know, I sort of already mentioned this. I'm
like this overflowing optimistic type guy. But that can get
you in trouble, so I try not to do it
to a level that you know, I'm sort of I
sort of put blinders onto the forces that are the
negative forces in the world. We've talked about some of
this stuff already. I mean, I'm very passionate about the
attack on the nuclear family. I think, other than maybe
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the church, the family is the most important institution in society.
And if the nuclear family thrives, American culture and American
society will thrive.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And we've sort of gotten into.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
This abortion glorification, you know, the devaluing of life. I'm
in Florida and we had an amendment on the dock
at this past election, and luckily the Conservatives succeeded, But
it was just The talk around abortion in this state
was horrific. Just the way people look at life as
just a light switch just to be able to.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Flick on or off. That that really worries me.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And you could sort of go back, go through, you know,
all the other things that attack in the nuclear family,
whether it's gender ideology, the fact that men can have
babies now which I don't believe but some people do.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
There's an attack on masculinity.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I'm gonna raise my hand and you know, be risk
the canceling that I talked about and say that we
need strong men in society. There's a role for women
to play, and there's a role for men to play.
And when you when you change the name of the
Boy Scouts to the Scouts, we remove an awesome what
used to be an awesome organization that I participated in
growing up, that taught me things that only a man
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can teach a man.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's that's what I worry about.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
That's sort of like existential And then you know, personally,
it gets within some of these things we've already talked about.
In my home, raising my kids, who I surround them with.
We have our values and I'm trying to implement you know,
Kelly and I, my wife and I talk about certain
values in our home. Courage, hard work, faith in God, humility,
intellectual curiosity.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
These are things that have to be taught, but not
only but.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
It's our job to teach them and then our job.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
To model them for our kids.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And I worry that, you know, I'm not always the
best model of those things. And I know that my
kids are watching and if I want them to be
living these values at twenty thirty forty years old, then
now's the time, because because we have a captive audience
with kids in our home right now. And so I
worry about am I doing a good enough job as
a father to model, you know, my example for who
I want my kids to be.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
When people are concerned about this as you are, like
let's say the crisis of masculinity, what should they do?
How can they help their kids along with it? When
society is clearly kind of sending them opposite message that
masculinity is bad or masculinity is something that should be
tamped down. Do you have any kind of advice for people? YEA,
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worry about the same things you do.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, give them people to emulate.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Give your kids heroes, Ideally, your mom and your dad
should be your hero. But there are only so many
messages that a kid will take from their mom or
their dad. And there's also only a certain way that
they'll sort of interpret something from their mom and their
dad when they see it modeled in others hard working women.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm writing. I just wrote an op ed that'll be
published soon about four women trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm trying to fight this culture war. It's it's about
for women that you know. I want my daughter to emulate.
She's ten years old. She always tells me what she
wants to be when she grows up. That's going to change,
you know, what I wanted to be at ten.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
But what what shouldn't change is not what she wants
to do, but how she does it. And so I
think we need to give our kids good examples outside
of the home for them to emulate and model a
good life after. So with men, I mean, it could
be football players, it could be executives, it could be
Jesus Christ in our home. That these are examples of
men to emulate. Masculinity is a good thing. We are
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masculine for a reason. Everything has downside you have to
control your masculinity. But there are forces in society that
need good men, just like we need good women, and
so giving our kids and society examples of good men
and good women to model it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Were you always this guy like optimistic and like thinking
things through like this?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I remember the first time I learned the word optimist.
We were driving around and I was a kid, and
I was talking about something and.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
My dad goes, yeah, you're just like your grandfather. We
called him G. Paul. He goes, he is an eternal optimist.
And I said, well, what the hell does that mean?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
He goes, He's never had a bad day in his life. Now,
I've had plenty of bad days in my life.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But you don't seem like you've had bad days. You
seem like you just wake up every day like and
ready to embrace the day.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Well, attitude's a choice. Attitude is a choice, and there's
tons of books on it. But I just look at
the world and it's certainly our country, and I mean,
what's not to be a I mean, we have we're
as prosperous as we've ever been. We're living as long
as we've ever lived. If you're a conservative, we have
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the most supreme court, most conservative supreme court we've maybe
ever had. I just find the good in life because
you have a choice every day when you wake up
good and bad, and there's a lot of both out there,
but you focus on what you want to focus on.
And it's sort of I realize that, you know, happiness,
attitude is contagious. So if I can bring that into
a room or into a into a building, I feel
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other people, you know, feeding off of it, and then
me feeding off of their positive energy. I just I
can't imagine living any other way.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I was out with you last night. My positive energy
was a bit much, and I'm a little bit hurting today.
I'm not laming you, not blaming you for the you know,
being old and not being able to have two drinks
not feeling it the next day. But you absolutely you
have this thing about you where it's a good time
wherever Gates are seeing.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Oh, that's very nice of you to say.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I don't know if my wife agrees with that all
the time, but uh, you know, it takes two to
bout lets each other out.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
What advice would you give a fifteen year old or
sixteen year old Gates Garcia, like, what would you tell
your teenage self?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
So I'm seeing a lot of like a lot of
things we're talking about sort of flow together. I would
say that you know, what you're doing right now probably
does it matter as much as you think it does,
but how you're doing it does.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
One thing that my parents always impressed upon me growing
up was to do hard things.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We have this funny thing.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I have a brother and a sister, and my brother
and I had to wrestle in high school.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It was non negotiable. Really, yeah, it was non negotiable.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
My dad wrestled in college, and he said, the hardest
thing you'll ever do in life physically is wrestle. He said,
wrestle or swim team. I was not a swimmer, and
so he forced us to wrestle. He said, you have
to do it for at least one season if you
hate it, and you never have to do it again.
But you did it for one year, and I'll tell
you that there is nothing more humbling than stepping out
in tights in front of your whole high school gym
(22:00):
and getting pinned on your back by another man and
the ref raising his hand in front of all your friends.
I mean, it was that was my first wrestling match,
and it was I had never had a humbling experience
like that. So I learned a lot through doing hard things.
We always had to have a summer job. I would
tell every fifteen year old and sixteen year old, get
a summer job. And if you want to motivate and
(22:22):
me tell them, it's because they're going to make money.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But what you learn the most.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
At that age is how to handle authority, how to
take authority from someone else.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
There's nothing better for a fifteen or sixteen year old
than a.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Crappy boss, because you're going to have plenty of crappy
bosses throughout your life. And the younger you can learn that,
the better. So your first one isn't you know, your
first job out of college. So I would say work,
I would say do hard things. I would just say
start building a value set now in your life that
you can use forever. Because it's one thing to identify
your values. It's another thing to sort of hone them
(22:55):
and craft them and apply them the more. It's one
thing to say I'm a hard worker. Here's a better example.
It's one thing to say I have courage. Okay, Well,
It's very easy to say you have courage, It's very
hard to apply courage in the necessary situation. So the
earlier you can identify those values that you want to
live out the rest of your life to do so,
so you can start practicing them and learning how to
(23:16):
apply them more effect.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I love it. Do you get this message across to
your kids or is it harder when you're talking to
actual kids versus theoretical yourself?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That well, I.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Mean you asked me about a fifteen or sixteen year old.
My kids are ten, seven and four. I think we
definitely talk about our values a lot. So we around
the dinner table will say, you know, give me an
example from today of how you were courageous, or what
was something you did today that was hard, or what
was what did you do good today?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Because you need, by the way, you need to celebrate
the good as well.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
But failure and success are all things we talk about
at a ten, seven and four year old level right now,
don't We don't use You're not allowed to use the
word can't.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
In our house now they do, they still do, but
we hate that word. So things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I love that, well. I've loved this conversation leave us
here with your best gates Garcia tip for my listeners
on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, I'll just sort of I'll just sort of sort
of And I'm not qualified by the way to give. Well,
I'm a much better receiver of advice than giver. And
so what I like to do is again model after people.
So I'm obsessed with happiness and joy and not just
having it, but studying how you can have more of it,
how you can find it, how you can give it
(24:35):
to others. And I think the best authority on happiness
is probably Arthur Brooks. I've read a lot about everything
he said about happiness, and he he, he talks about
sort of a four legged stool, faith, meaningful relationships, meaningful work,
and family. And so you should be managing those four
things in your life at all four times if you
(24:55):
want to maximize your happiness. Because you can have a
thriving family, you can have a great job, and you
can great friends. But if you don't have faith in God,
then you're missing a key piece there. Or you can
be going to church or synagogue every week and have
a wonderful relationship with God or temple and uh, and and.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Have no friends.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
That's not a that's not a way to go through
life joyfully. So I study that a lot. I would
encourage your listeners to, you know, get their nose in
a book and study happiness and then go study, go,
go actually apply it and try to have more happiness
in their life, because happiness is contagious. In the conservative
the conservative movement could use more happiness. There's that old saying.
(25:32):
I'm a conservative. I'm just not angry about it.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
We need we need more of that. And so, uh,
I'm all about that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I love it. He is Gates Garcia his news show
has called me the people. Check it out. He's fantastic.
Thanks so much Gates for coming on.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Thank you so much, Carol, thanks so much for joining
us and the Carol Marco would show. Subscribe wherever you
get your podcasts.
Host
Karol Markowicz
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