The Karol Markowicz Show: A Journey of Passion, Purpose, and Presidential Wisdom with Monica Crowley
February 19, 2024 • 35 mins
In this episode, Karol and Monica Crowley discuss Monica's experiences working with Richard Nixon, her views on the "deep state," and reflects on the responsibilities of being a public figure. The conversation also touches on the influence of neo-Marxist ideology in American society and the importance of American exceptionalism. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
I write a culture column in The New York Post,
sometimes on themes that I also cover on this show,
though I veer into politics much more often over there.
On Friday, I wrote a column about two new books
that you've definitely heard me talk about on here, one
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called Get Married by Brad Wilcox, who has been on
this show in October, and one called The Two Parent
Privileged by Melissa Kearney, which I've talked about on the
show in previous monologues. These books are interesting to me
because they collect a ton of data to show that
getting married, especially if you're having children, is just a
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giant positive for your life. Wilcox and Kearney both rely
on actual numbers to tell their stories. Meanwhile, as I
write in my piece, The New York Times has had
something like ten articles about polyamory just in the last year.
I write from a story about polyamorous couples holding Celtic
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ceremonies last February and to fix a broken marriage experiment
with polyamory in March. To interested in polyamory, check out
these places. In May, the New York Times is also
published interviews with therapists who suggest polyamory. They answered ethical
questions for men who want to pressure their wives to
open their marriages. They reviewed a book by a deeply
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unhappy polyamorous woman, and finally they covered the solo poly person,
whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now, there is zero.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Data to support that a polyamorous life will lead to happiness,
yet the New York Times keeps pushing it, and those
of us arguing for marriage are somehow the controversial ones.
But I got an email from my friend about my piece,
and I'm going to read it to you in its
entirety here because I think it's really relevant and you
need to hear these kinds of voices.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
She writes, I.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Believe it is obvious on its face that a happily
married couple is a better environment for children. I don't
think we need to be talking about it as though
it's policy, and anyone not in an ideal situation ended
up there by choice, Like no little girl grows up
dreaming of the day she'll be a single mom on
federal assistance. No boy dreams of the moment he'll walk
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out on his family. He does it because he's a selfish, terrified, prick,
not because he didn't read Brad Wilcox's book. Obviously, people
would prefer to be parents as part of a loving,
supportive couple. I don't really get why conservatives feel the
need to forcibly say this constantly. Instead, shouldn't we focus
on empowering women in crisis pregnancies to embrace the beautiful
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baby growing inside them, explore the support she could have
in her own community, even if she's not in a
perfect situation. Second, I don't think it's healthy for kids,
many of whom are in divorced home, single parent homes,
homes with awful parents, etc. To constantly hear from the
right you're screwed because you don't have two parents. We
are the party of happy marriage and happy parents. I
think it's so much more important to share with kids
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that the American dream is for everyone and everyone has
the same opportunities as everyone else. It's smacks of victim glorification,
and frankly, I think it's pro abortion to be so
black and white about what an American family is supposed
to be. I'm on a quest to be a solo mom,
not because I hate men, not because I'm anti marriage
or that I put my career first because I'm forty
and this is really my option to have a baby,
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and what babies kids really need is love. I'm so
happy for women and men who found each other young
and forged a perfect marriage and had kids in an
appropriate age. But that doesn't happen for everyone, not because
we're liberal scum, but because that is life. I love
that science has afforded me the opportunity to be a mommy,
even without the perfect picture end quote. I feel this
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very deeply, and when I talk about happy marriage is
I do worry about offending people. I've talked about this
on the show, but I think meeting the right person
requires more than a little luck, and I wish people
would be more open about that. I think the people
who think that they skillfully got into a good marriage,
I think there's a lot of luck involved. I also
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think my friend is going to be an amazing mother,
and I have absolutely no judgment about her decisions. But
the reason I think we need to keep talking about
the positive parts of marriage is because there's an onslaught
of negativity around marriage. People continue to believe that half
of marriages end in divorce, for example, but the truth
is divorced numbers peaked in nineteen eighty and have been
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down steadily ever since then. Or like my polyamory example,
why are there ten articles about it in one year
in the New York Times. If they're not trying to
destroy traditional marriage, why are they pushing it. I understand
that an individual's might be single parents, and I will
support and cheer for my friends, But I see it
as a fight against misinformation disinformation to say that marriage
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is best. If those voices didn't exist, if we'd and
have a slew of content pushing the idea that marriage
is this outdated idea for suckers, I wouldn't focus on it,
but there is so I do. I also learned in
the last year while I toured for my book, I
kept having people come up to me and say things
like I don't speak to my child anymore, or my
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kids grew up and they don't talk to me anymore
because over politics or over COVID regulations or that kind
of thing. It's really sad to me. But beyond that,
I always ask them and actually side note to this.
Bill Ackman, who's become this big activist the other day
posted about the fact that his daughter went to Harvard
and came back a Marxist, and I really would love
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to know, like, did you talk about your values at home.
It's not so much that I'm pushing these ideas on
people now, It's that I'm trying to lay down the
foundation for the future. So when I'm telling my kids
at home, I hope you get married. I've seen data
that says that that's not what other people are telling
into their kids, and I'm saying you should. So I
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don't want people to think of this as I'm judging
anybody's life.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I understand the way things go, and I understand that
things don't always work out like you want them to.
But we have to think about the future and about
the way that we're raising the next generation. And to me,
that's why you need to keep showing this evidence for marriage,
and you need to bring back the idea that marriage
is the best path. We've gone so far off of it,
and that's really what the problem is to me. Coming
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up next and interview with Monica Crowley. Join us after
the break.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Monica Crowley. Monica is a prominent
news analyst, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
Trump administration, and host of the excellent Monica Crowley podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Hi Monica, we thank you so much for having me
today and for that fantastic introduction.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's how nice to have you on. And so I've
known you obviously. I've known about you for a very
long time. You were always in the public eye and
you and I only met for the first time last year.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You invited me to lunch.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You were so sweet, and in that lunch I learned
that you had written a letter to Richard Nixon and
ended up becoming his research assistant. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Foreign policy assistant. Ye, there's a lot of research work
in too.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, excellent. And then you ended up writing two books
about the man.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So what I remember thinking during that lunch like, I
don't know enough about Richard Nixon. He is sort of
a blank. I know the big stories, right, but what
do people not know about Nixon?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, thank you for the question, Carol, because it is
my favorite topic because he doesn't get enough attention, and
what he does get attention, it's almost always negative. He
doesn't get a lot of love certainly from academia or
the imperial media, which is his phrase. By the way,
I have been talking about this now on my podcast.
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The Nixon Foundation just put out an old clip of
President Nixon from I think the nineteen eighties where he
was talking about how, you know, the criticism of what
used to be called the imperial presidency. The left would
attack Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan, any Republican president as
an presidency, right, And his point was so brilliant. He said,
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you know, the presidency has a lot of checks and
balances on it. Congress can check the president, Supreme Court
can check the president, the press, the people can check
the president. So there are a lot of limitations on
the American president, but there are no limitations on the media.
So he said, I'm going to refer to the to
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the media as the imperial media. So I am now
using that phrase everywhere, and I'm you too, can I
like that?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But he certainly doesn't get enough of positive attention for
who he was and what he accomplished throughout his entire
political life and career. And I feel very blessed that
I was able to work with him during the last
couple of years of his life as a foreign policy
assistant and really get to know the man. You know,
there are all human beings behind the amccar of president.
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And I can tell you that Richard Nixon was brilliant,
which even his detractors will concede reluctantly, but they won't
see brilliant. He was a true intellectual in the sense
that he loved ideas and battling ideas and developing new
ideas and bouncing ideas off of people he respected, including Democrats.
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This was a defray, but he was very close to
Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick moynihan of New York, very close
to Mario Cuomo, the Democrat governor of New York, and
they would swa books. They would send each other books
that they've read, all underlined and dog eared, and then
when the other one read it, they'd call each other
and spend hours on the phone just talking about the
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book and the ideas that were in there. So he
was brilliant. He was an intellectual, but he was also
very kind and generous and funny, an extraordinary sense of humor.
And you know, because the Imperial media did not want
people to know that side of him, they blocked a
lot of that right and turned Richard Nixon into a villain,
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particularly after Watergate. But as we now know, with more
evidence coming out and what we now know about the
deep state and what the deep state is capable of,
there's growing evidence that in fact, the deep state framed
President Nixon with and removed him because he could not
be controlled. And you know, there's so much more to
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get into on that question, but I want people to
know that Richard Nixon wasn't just a god great man
and a great president, but he was also a very
good man.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The third Nixon book potentially forthcoming that sounds interesting to
be maybe.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, because now we have all of this knowledge that
there actually is a deep state. It's very powerful. It's
the shadowy cabal of unelected, unaccountable people who move between
the security state and law enforcement dj FBI, CIA, and
also globally as well, with the globalist dimension to this.
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And I think more and more people, Carol, are coming
to understand that the actual power in this country is
not in the White House, regardless of who is the president,
or on Old Hill, or at the Supreme Court, or
in governor's mansions, but it's actually with this shadow deep
state that really exercises power and has a lot of
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our elected representatives compromise or blackmailable or extortable, and has
like a gun to their head to do the deep
state in globalist bidding. I think a lot of people
are coming to understand that many are for representatives are
actually not representing us at all, and are taking this
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country off a cliff. Ire Nixon was one of the
first to understand that, and look at what they did
to him, right, So maybe there is a third book
in there exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I'd love to read that. So you mentioned that Nixon
reached across the aisle, and I'm not necessarily waiting for
our politicians to do the same. I think we've become
so polarized that I don't even want them necessarily to
reach across the aisle a lot of the time, because
I think that the solutions they come up with when
they do merge their interests are usually not good for
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any of us. But what about on like a more
cultural or societal level, like how do we get people
to not be in their silos so much like how
do we do the Nixon model? But like not for politicians?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I did, and it's a really hard one, Carol,
because we are at this point in American society and
life where politics have shot through everything. Politics is everywhere.
You can't watch an NFL game without politics in your
face and kneeling athletes, and you can't watch, you know,
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the World Cup soccer match without soccer players. And it's
in the culture. And Disney is preaching to us and
our kids, you know, with this woke nonsense. Every time
you want to take your kid to an animated Disney
movie for a nice little escape, you can't escape, right.
It is everywhere you go. It's right in your face.
And so what's happened is that political values then have
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become your central set of values. It used to be
like your values, your your core values were your faith. Right,
your faith become the organizing principle in your life. You know,
your belief in God or not, whatever it might be, Judaism, Catholicism,
Christianity more generally Islam, whatever it was, that was the
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organizing principle in your life. And then everything kind of
followed from that. Well, now we've got a situation where
for most people, politics is the organizing principle. It is
sort of the core pillar and everything then flows from that,
and then it's reinforced everywhere you look, the sports media,
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you name it. It's everywhere, right in your face. So
to get people to transcend that is a very difficult
thing because they have now internalized their political views who
they are, and it becomes their identity. So you're asking
people then to transcend their identity to try to come
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together with someone who thinks a different way. That is
a very tall task. It's not impossible, but I think
it's going to take leadership in a lot of different areas,
not just politics. We focus a lot, obviously for the
reason I stated on that, but culturally faith leaders. It's
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going to take a lot of people to regain their
courage and be willing and able to speak out on
these issues and try to bring people together on things
other than politics where we might have some ground like hey,
I couldn't stand the barbing movie. Oh well, maybe one
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of the neo Marxist trying to destroy the country also.
That can actually have a conversation, but it's very difficult
to do. And I'll give you a little anecdote from
my personal life, Carol, because this is so devastating to me.
One of my very very dear friends over the last
you know, thirty years, somebody that I went to college
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with and was a college roommate with and just absolutely
adored her, and she and I just got all like
a house on fire for the last couple of decades.
You know, she lives in Vermont, she works in social work,
So I mean that she voted Democrat. It never mattered
to me. It never mattered to me at all. And
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I had assumed all these years that it never mattered
to her too, And I guess it didn't until Donald
Trump came along. And you know, I was one of his,
if not his very first non family public supporter forty
eight onwards after he came down the escalator, and then
of course spent two years in his administration in Washington,
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the Treasury Department. So I mean, I really am a
Trump loyalist, right, And I will tell you earlier this year,
you know, I reached out to her for her birthday
and she texted back, thank you so much, and I said,
let's have a phone call. Let's catch up. We haven't
talked to like eight or nine months, whatever it was.
And she didn't respond right away, and I followed up
and she didn't respond to that text, and I knew
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something was up. And finally I got this long text
from her, and she tried to be sweet about it, occupant,
but she was like, she didn't want to break up
with me as a friend, but it was really a
kind of a harsh reality, which is, you know, she
said to me, I have two daughters and I'm very
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concerned about the world they're going to grow up in.
And I wanted to scream, well, if you're that concerned,
she means up being fitting for Trump so he was
just joining the country, but I didn't. But she said,
you know, she got to the values question of what
we were just talking about. It's like, I can't really
relate to what you value. And I was like, and
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not lewis America, And yes, I have political stance that
I value, of course, but I also value our friendship, right, yeah.
And I tried to soften it with my response, and
you know, we kind of went back and forth a
little bit more. But it was so shocking to me
because I haven't experienced it, although we all know people
who have and A'msulian, you pass you but and you know,
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trying to overcome that first of all with people that
are you know, just acquaintances to your wor strangers or
people that you just meet. That's one thing right with
long friends, and some people have family members where they
can't overcome it. It is a tall, tall order and
it gets to the fund and manual iss Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think that's so just depressing to lose a really
long time friend over politics.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It is a values question, but a lot of things
that make up friendships, especially when you're not close by,
are things like things that make you laugh both you
know you both laugh at the same things, or you
know you you have things in common other than where
you stand on various political issues. And I just find
that so sad. The funny thing is I lost the
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majority of friends that I was going to lose during
the George W. Bush administration, so you know, it was
cut off early on, and I think it would have
only gotten worse from there anyway, but it was just
that time period was sort of the culling in my life.
So like right now, a lot of Jews, for example,
are saying that a lot of you know, they're they're
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having to cut off anti Israel friends and et cetera.
I don't have any of that anymore. I think all
the people that I lost, like in the you know,
two thousand and one to two thousand and five, are
would have been in that category and I didn't even
have them to lose this time around. But it is sad,
and I think that it is a bad sign for
our country when lifelong friends can't stay friends over politics.
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It's just it's depressing to me. But one thing that
I wanted to kind of talk to you about is
I've had a lot of you know, famous people on
this show, but I think you are one of the
more like recognizable ones. So for a lot of the
other guests, I say to them, like, do you get
recognized in the street? But I know you get recognized
in the street, Like you'r Monica Crowley, You get recognized.
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Is it hard to make friends being like at your
level of famous? Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, that's very kind of you and thank you. And
I'm not so sure about that. I mean, there's like
Madonna level of faith, Dona Trump, hellob you want that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Nobody wants me, Carol, It's not I won't put to
tell me stare you and me are in the same category,
but thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, it's true. No, it's true, and particularly because of
what we do, right, we're speaking on current events, so
it makes us controversial. We're not. It's not like Taylor Swift,
who's putting out great music that everybody can enjoy. It's there.
You're just taking a real claim and write with a
point of view, and so it's of course it's going
to alienate maybe half the country. I will say, it's
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when you're saying get recognized. I would qualify that Carol
by saying, it depends where I am in the country.
So when I'm in New York City, I could literally
streak naked down fifth that and they want yeah, no
one even bad and I they'd just be like, who
is that crazy person running down to attacking nut. But
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when I'm in Florida or Texas or a more conservative state,
then yeah, you know, sometimes I do get recognized, and
it's always lovely because generally people are so nice and
they just want to picture say hello or to say
thank you for being our voice, you know on Fox News, Box, business,
your podcast, you know, monarchy, your columns, whatever of your
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things in terms of representing us and how we think
thank you for that, and that always means the last
meets well. I always take the time, no matter where
I am, to take every picture, to talk to every person,
to really look at them in the eye and make
sure that they are seen, at least by me. You
know that they are seen because you know what, Carol,
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In the end, most people just want to be heard,
and I just want seen as human beings. This is
one of the huge keys of Donald Trump that I
don't think anybody else recognized. In two thousand and sixteen,
when he was first running, he looked at the forgotten
men and women in this country and he said, I
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see you, I hear you, and I will be your champion.
Do you know how powerful emotionally that argument? I extraordinarily
powerful because those Americans just have felt invisible by their
elected leaders on both sides of the aisles for decades.
And here comes a guy who had never done any
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of this before, who said, no, no, no, I hear
you and I see you, and I'm going to stand
up for you. And then he did so that kind
of emotional bond with the voters, not political, not intellectual,
emotional based again on value, but also in treating people
as human beings is extraordinary and I know the power
of that as well, because I want to be seen
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and heard to the way to work on TV and
Ray Hrick. Yeah, I'll do, and I make sure that
when anybody approaches me. I've only had one in the
course of my career. I've only had one crazy left
winger approached me in a nasty way on the street
in New York. Of course, this was years ago, I think,
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during the George W. Bush years, and he cannot yeah
be about the Iraq War and calling me a fascist,
and I just laughed and walked away. But really so,
I'm very lucky in my career.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
That is such a great question, Jeryl ask all of
your guests that, and I really APPRETI a question, and
I've been thinking on it because I think it's like
a deceptively simple question. I think that's there's a lot
of dynamism built into that question. I think you know
when you say make it, there's so many different avenues
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to that, right, make it personally in your personal life,
are you happy in your personal life professionally? Do you
feel like you have succeeded with your professional goals. And
I can say yes to both of those questions. But
I also feel like there's so much more work that
to do on behalf of my country and where I've
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poured my passion over the course of my career. There's
so much more to do. I mean, if you had
asked me a couple of years ago, would you go
into the federal government, I would be like, oh, hell no,
I'd rather eat might have been then moved to the
spot and you know, work in the federal government. And
then along King Donald Trump, and I said, I absolutely
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want to serve my country in an administration with the
president that I really believe in. So if he is
re elected, or I should say when he is re elected,
I will absolutely go back and serve out his administration.
His policy agenda has served my country, bring this country back. Absolutely,
not even a moment hesitation on that. So I think
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life takes you in different actions and there's so much
more I think to achieve. But as of now, yeah,
I'm pretty content. I mean, Carol, I'd have been so
blessed in that I have worked for two American presidents
now Richard Wixon in the last years of his life
and President Trump at the tertiary Department. That's pretty extraordinary.
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Not many Pinons served two American presidents.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, that's I mean incredible. And I think that you
should be very proud of yourself and you should feel
like you've made it, because that seems, you know, like
making it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Thank you, Thank you, very blessed.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
One of the other questions that I ask all of
my guests, and we've touched on some of the issues already,
but what would you say is our largest cultural or
societal problem, not specifically political necessarily and is it solvable?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah? You know, I've been thinking about this. I have
been studying and talking about communism throughout my entire career,
and I've been studying it both as a political force
and as a philosophical and ideological force. What has occurred
to me over the years is that what the United
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States has been subjected to now for almost a century
is a neo Marxist revolution, and that neo Marxist revolution
has its tentacles in every area of American city in life.
So this is not just strictly political. Although there are
a lot of neo Marxists in our government, some will
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telling you straight up, like AOC or Bernie Sanders. They'll
say a man, I'm a Democratic Socialist, which is a
euphemism for Marxism. Others are more stealthy about it. So
there's political Marxism and we see it every day. There's
also economic Marxism, and there's also social and cultural Marxism
cultural revolution. And you've written about this extensively. You're on
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my show talking about this. You and I, we just
we want like a wall on fire. Is because you
really get it to me. It is that the fact
now that this Marxist revolution has been going on in
this country undermining all of the major pillars of American
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society and life for almost one hundred years. It really
began as a KGV operation in the nineteen thirties, and
then it took on a life of its own with
plenty of useful idiots here in the United States infiltrating
all of our institutions, what the Marxists called the long
March through our institutions that so weakened them and corroded
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American society and life that things that we once thought
we're unthinkable are now. Like everybody just shrugs, for example,
drag Queen's story. Hour for kindergarteners is Marxist cultural revolutionary behavior.
In order to indoctrinate the child, create a standing army
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of children who have been indoctrinated, smash the nuclear family.
This is all Marxism, this is all communism. So when
you ask me about like a cultural or social issue,
it is so widespread. It all gets down to the
fact that we've allowed this Marxism to rampage through this
country for decades to the point now where we are
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at the tipping point in America. And what worries to
me so much is that there are so many people
in this country who don't know history, who don't know
American history, or don't care about American history and don't
cherish it being acause they have been subjected to this indoctrination.
And so if you don't know what makes America exceptional,
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you're not willing to stand up and fight for American
exceptualism and fight for this country like you and I
do every single day with the platforms that we have,
right and when I look at subsequent generations who don't
have that education, who don't have those political values that
we talked about about cherishing basic freedoms that we see
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in the Bill of Rights, and who are now actively
at war with those freedoms in the Bill of Rights
and the Constitution to tear this country down. That to
me is the biggest problem that we have. And this
is stuff that keeps me up at night.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And do you think anything could be done to solve this?
Is this like just the end of the road for us?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, I awn an optimism. I'm a natural optimist. I'm
a happy warriors So there's always hope, that's true, But
the hour is very late. The country. He's hanging by
a threat. People who are just now waking up. I'm
glad that they're waking up, but they seem to be
under the assumption that somehow this started under Joe Biden
(30:11):
with his catastrophic presidency, or maybe even Barack Obama, and
they're tracing it back to that. This goes so far
back and has been going on so long, which is
why we're so close to the precipice here. People need
to really understand that. So in order to turn this around,
it's going to take real leadership, political, social, cultural faith
(30:34):
based of people really waking up to the threat, and
it might take. I mean, we are scraping the bottom
of the barrel here, and sometimes you know, God allows
you as individuals or countries to really hit bottom. So
more and more people wake up and say, hey, wait,
you know we're losing our country. I think that's happening now.
(30:55):
I don't think it's too late to turn this around,
but it is going to require very core reaches leadership
because the Left now controls everything, every lever of power,
and they've been out of for so long that we
are going to have to be very brave. We're going
to have to all be leaders in our own communities
on this whatever platform we might have. And we also
(31:18):
have to understand it's going to take a very long
time to turn it around, because again, this didn't materialize night,
so the solution is not going to materialize overnight either.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Wow. Well everything is bad, but hopefully it can turn around.
I love talking to you, and here Monica with your
best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
their individual lives, you know, especially in the faith of
how terrible things are all over the place.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I know things look grim, but my natural optimism
is going to kick in here. I think a couple
of tips of advice to improve your own personal life,
and you know, the life of your family, the life
of your community, the life of your country. My first
word of advice is, first of all, I'm going to
(32:10):
pass along the best piece of advice I ever got,
which came from President Nixon, because I was all said
to go to law school. I was just going to
work for him for one year, and I put off
a villain of a law to work for him for
the year, and then I was going to matriculate into
law school. And a couple of months in President Nixon
said to me, call me in, Carol, and he took
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Michael his glasses off, and he said, Monica, have a seat.
We have something very important to talk about. And I said, yes,
mister President, what is it? And he said, well, you're
not going to law school. Hi's there, And okay, I'm
I'm all fgo with if your plan at all times, Carol.
So I was like, I'm sorry, what And he said, Monica,
(32:53):
it's clear to me that you have no passion for
the law and you're going just to law school just
to go and have an advance degree. He said, if
you feel like you need an advanced degree, you need
to go and follow your passion. So go to graduate
school and study security and American foreign policy instead. Don't
worry about the career path, don't worry about the money
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with a career. All of that will come when you
follow your passion. And so he was exactly right. I
stopped the Villanova law school process, and I'm later it
at Columbia in a PhD terminal program, got two master's
degrees at a PhD, and now security foreign policy could
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not be happier. And the whole career. He was exactly right.
It all fell into place. So I am sharing his
wisdom with me, with you and your listener. Go to
law school, he goes, Monica, I'm a lawyer. The country
has enough lawyers. We don't need another one, and who
has no passion for the law. So go and do
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what your passionates, and everything else will fall in place.
The other final point that I just want to impart
here to everybody listening is because this is a spiritual
battle at base. This is God versus the enemy, good
versus evil. However you want to cast it. Once you
see it in those terms, you can unsee it. So
(34:19):
I would just recommend I don't know what everybody's faith
based system is, or maybe you don't believe in God.
That's your business, but I would recommend getting your spiritual
house in order. That's you're in some dark times. I
fear it might get worse before it gets better, and
I would just recommend to everybody to kind of get
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your spiritual house in order for yourself and your family.
Can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's exactly it can't go wrong.
Thank you so much for coming on, Monica. I love
talking to you. She's Monica Crowley. Please check out her podcast.
She is terrific.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
But thank you so much, Carol, my pleasure, God bless
thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Mark Show.
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
I write a culture column in The New York Post,
sometimes on themes that I also cover on this show,
though I veer into politics much more often over there.
On Friday, I wrote a column about two new books
that you've definitely heard me talk about on here, one
(00:27):
called Get Married by Brad Wilcox, who has been on
this show in October, and one called The Two Parent
Privileged by Melissa Kearney, which I've talked about on the
show in previous monologues. These books are interesting to me
because they collect a ton of data to show that
getting married, especially if you're having children, is just a
(00:48):
giant positive for your life. Wilcox and Kearney both rely
on actual numbers to tell their stories. Meanwhile, as I
write in my piece, The New York Times has had
something like ten articles about polyamory just in the last year.
I write from a story about polyamorous couples holding Celtic
(01:09):
ceremonies last February and to fix a broken marriage experiment
with polyamory in March. To interested in polyamory, check out
these places. In May, the New York Times is also
published interviews with therapists who suggest polyamory. They answered ethical
questions for men who want to pressure their wives to
open their marriages. They reviewed a book by a deeply
(01:31):
unhappy polyamorous woman, and finally they covered the solo poly person,
whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now, there is zero.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Data to support that a polyamorous life will lead to happiness,
yet the New York Times keeps pushing it, and those
of us arguing for marriage are somehow the controversial ones.
But I got an email from my friend about my piece,
and I'm going to read it to you in its
entirety here because I think it's really relevant and you
need to hear these kinds of voices.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
She writes, I.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Believe it is obvious on its face that a happily
married couple is a better environment for children. I don't
think we need to be talking about it as though
it's policy, and anyone not in an ideal situation ended
up there by choice, Like no little girl grows up
dreaming of the day she'll be a single mom on
federal assistance. No boy dreams of the moment he'll walk
(02:24):
out on his family. He does it because he's a selfish, terrified, prick,
not because he didn't read Brad Wilcox's book. Obviously, people
would prefer to be parents as part of a loving,
supportive couple. I don't really get why conservatives feel the
need to forcibly say this constantly. Instead, shouldn't we focus
on empowering women in crisis pregnancies to embrace the beautiful
(02:45):
baby growing inside them, explore the support she could have
in her own community, even if she's not in a
perfect situation. Second, I don't think it's healthy for kids,
many of whom are in divorced home, single parent homes,
homes with awful parents, etc. To constantly hear from the
right you're screwed because you don't have two parents. We
are the party of happy marriage and happy parents. I
think it's so much more important to share with kids
(03:07):
that the American dream is for everyone and everyone has
the same opportunities as everyone else. It's smacks of victim glorification,
and frankly, I think it's pro abortion to be so
black and white about what an American family is supposed
to be. I'm on a quest to be a solo mom,
not because I hate men, not because I'm anti marriage
or that I put my career first because I'm forty
and this is really my option to have a baby,
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and what babies kids really need is love. I'm so
happy for women and men who found each other young
and forged a perfect marriage and had kids in an
appropriate age. But that doesn't happen for everyone, not because
we're liberal scum, but because that is life. I love
that science has afforded me the opportunity to be a mommy,
even without the perfect picture end quote. I feel this
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very deeply, and when I talk about happy marriage is
I do worry about offending people. I've talked about this
on the show, but I think meeting the right person
requires more than a little luck, and I wish people
would be more open about that. I think the people
who think that they skillfully got into a good marriage,
I think there's a lot of luck involved. I also
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think my friend is going to be an amazing mother,
and I have absolutely no judgment about her decisions. But
the reason I think we need to keep talking about
the positive parts of marriage is because there's an onslaught
of negativity around marriage. People continue to believe that half
of marriages end in divorce, for example, but the truth
is divorced numbers peaked in nineteen eighty and have been
(04:33):
down steadily ever since then. Or like my polyamory example,
why are there ten articles about it in one year
in the New York Times. If they're not trying to
destroy traditional marriage, why are they pushing it. I understand
that an individual's might be single parents, and I will
support and cheer for my friends, But I see it
as a fight against misinformation disinformation to say that marriage
(04:56):
is best. If those voices didn't exist, if we'd and
have a slew of content pushing the idea that marriage
is this outdated idea for suckers, I wouldn't focus on it,
but there is so I do. I also learned in
the last year while I toured for my book, I
kept having people come up to me and say things
like I don't speak to my child anymore, or my
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kids grew up and they don't talk to me anymore
because over politics or over COVID regulations or that kind
of thing. It's really sad to me. But beyond that,
I always ask them and actually side note to this.
Bill Ackman, who's become this big activist the other day
posted about the fact that his daughter went to Harvard
and came back a Marxist, and I really would love
(05:41):
to know, like, did you talk about your values at home.
It's not so much that I'm pushing these ideas on
people now, It's that I'm trying to lay down the
foundation for the future. So when I'm telling my kids
at home, I hope you get married. I've seen data
that says that that's not what other people are telling
into their kids, and I'm saying you should. So I
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don't want people to think of this as I'm judging
anybody's life.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I understand the way things go, and I understand that
things don't always work out like you want them to.
But we have to think about the future and about
the way that we're raising the next generation. And to me,
that's why you need to keep showing this evidence for marriage,
and you need to bring back the idea that marriage
is the best path. We've gone so far off of it,
and that's really what the problem is to me. Coming
(06:29):
up next and interview with Monica Crowley. Join us after
the break.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Monica Crowley. Monica is a prominent
news analyst, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
Trump administration, and host of the excellent Monica Crowley podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Hi Monica, we thank you so much for having me
today and for that fantastic introduction.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That's how nice to have you on. And so I've
known you obviously. I've known about you for a very
long time. You were always in the public eye and
you and I only met for the first time last year.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You invited me to lunch.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You were so sweet, and in that lunch I learned
that you had written a letter to Richard Nixon and
ended up becoming his research assistant. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Foreign policy assistant. Ye, there's a lot of research work
in too.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, excellent. And then you ended up writing two books
about the man.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
So what I remember thinking during that lunch like, I
don't know enough about Richard Nixon. He is sort of
a blank. I know the big stories, right, but what
do people not know about Nixon?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, thank you for the question, Carol, because it is
my favorite topic because he doesn't get enough attention, and
what he does get attention, it's almost always negative. He
doesn't get a lot of love certainly from academia or
the imperial media, which is his phrase. By the way,
I have been talking about this now on my podcast.
(08:08):
The Nixon Foundation just put out an old clip of
President Nixon from I think the nineteen eighties where he
was talking about how, you know, the criticism of what
used to be called the imperial presidency. The left would
attack Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan, any Republican president as
an presidency, right, And his point was so brilliant. He said,
(08:31):
you know, the presidency has a lot of checks and
balances on it. Congress can check the president, Supreme Court
can check the president, the press, the people can check
the president. So there are a lot of limitations on
the American president, but there are no limitations on the media.
So he said, I'm going to refer to the to
(08:51):
the media as the imperial media. So I am now
using that phrase everywhere, and I'm you too, can I
like that?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But he certainly doesn't get enough of positive attention for
who he was and what he accomplished throughout his entire
political life and career. And I feel very blessed that
I was able to work with him during the last
couple of years of his life as a foreign policy
assistant and really get to know the man. You know,
there are all human beings behind the amccar of president.
(09:25):
And I can tell you that Richard Nixon was brilliant,
which even his detractors will concede reluctantly, but they won't
see brilliant. He was a true intellectual in the sense
that he loved ideas and battling ideas and developing new
ideas and bouncing ideas off of people he respected, including Democrats.
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This was a defray, but he was very close to
Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick moynihan of New York, very close
to Mario Cuomo, the Democrat governor of New York, and
they would swa books. They would send each other books
that they've read, all underlined and dog eared, and then
when the other one read it, they'd call each other
and spend hours on the phone just talking about the
(10:10):
book and the ideas that were in there. So he
was brilliant. He was an intellectual, but he was also
very kind and generous and funny, an extraordinary sense of humor.
And you know, because the Imperial media did not want
people to know that side of him, they blocked a
lot of that right and turned Richard Nixon into a villain,
(10:34):
particularly after Watergate. But as we now know, with more
evidence coming out and what we now know about the
deep state and what the deep state is capable of,
there's growing evidence that in fact, the deep state framed
President Nixon with and removed him because he could not
be controlled. And you know, there's so much more to
(10:54):
get into on that question, but I want people to
know that Richard Nixon wasn't just a god great man
and a great president, but he was also a very
good man.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The third Nixon book potentially forthcoming that sounds interesting to
be maybe.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, because now we have all of this knowledge that
there actually is a deep state. It's very powerful. It's
the shadowy cabal of unelected, unaccountable people who move between
the security state and law enforcement dj FBI, CIA, and
also globally as well, with the globalist dimension to this.
(11:34):
And I think more and more people, Carol, are coming
to understand that the actual power in this country is
not in the White House, regardless of who is the president,
or on Old Hill, or at the Supreme Court, or
in governor's mansions, but it's actually with this shadow deep
state that really exercises power and has a lot of
(11:58):
our elected representatives compromise or blackmailable or extortable, and has
like a gun to their head to do the deep
state in globalist bidding. I think a lot of people
are coming to understand that many are for representatives are
actually not representing us at all, and are taking this
(12:18):
country off a cliff. Ire Nixon was one of the
first to understand that, and look at what they did
to him, right, So maybe there is a third book
in there exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I'd love to read that. So you mentioned that Nixon
reached across the aisle, and I'm not necessarily waiting for
our politicians to do the same. I think we've become
so polarized that I don't even want them necessarily to
reach across the aisle a lot of the time, because
I think that the solutions they come up with when
they do merge their interests are usually not good for
(12:50):
any of us. But what about on like a more
cultural or societal level, like how do we get people
to not be in their silos so much like how
do we do the Nixon model? But like not for politicians?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I did, and it's a really hard one, Carol,
because we are at this point in American society and
life where politics have shot through everything. Politics is everywhere.
You can't watch an NFL game without politics in your
face and kneeling athletes, and you can't watch, you know,
(13:25):
the World Cup soccer match without soccer players. And it's
in the culture. And Disney is preaching to us and
our kids, you know, with this woke nonsense. Every time
you want to take your kid to an animated Disney
movie for a nice little escape, you can't escape, right.
It is everywhere you go. It's right in your face.
And so what's happened is that political values then have
(13:49):
become your central set of values. It used to be
like your values, your your core values were your faith. Right,
your faith become the organizing principle in your life. You know,
your belief in God or not, whatever it might be, Judaism, Catholicism,
Christianity more generally Islam, whatever it was, that was the
(14:12):
organizing principle in your life. And then everything kind of
followed from that. Well, now we've got a situation where
for most people, politics is the organizing principle. It is
sort of the core pillar and everything then flows from that,
and then it's reinforced everywhere you look, the sports media,
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you name it. It's everywhere, right in your face. So
to get people to transcend that is a very difficult
thing because they have now internalized their political views who
they are, and it becomes their identity. So you're asking
people then to transcend their identity to try to come
(14:58):
together with someone who thinks a different way. That is
a very tall task. It's not impossible, but I think
it's going to take leadership in a lot of different areas,
not just politics. We focus a lot, obviously for the
reason I stated on that, but culturally faith leaders. It's
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going to take a lot of people to regain their
courage and be willing and able to speak out on
these issues and try to bring people together on things
other than politics where we might have some ground like hey,
I couldn't stand the barbing movie. Oh well, maybe one
(15:38):
of the neo Marxist trying to destroy the country also.
That can actually have a conversation, but it's very difficult
to do. And I'll give you a little anecdote from
my personal life, Carol, because this is so devastating to me.
One of my very very dear friends over the last
you know, thirty years, somebody that I went to college
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with and was a college roommate with and just absolutely
adored her, and she and I just got all like
a house on fire for the last couple of decades.
You know, she lives in Vermont, she works in social work,
So I mean that she voted Democrat. It never mattered
to me. It never mattered to me at all. And
(16:22):
I had assumed all these years that it never mattered
to her too, And I guess it didn't until Donald
Trump came along. And you know, I was one of his,
if not his very first non family public supporter forty
eight onwards after he came down the escalator, and then
of course spent two years in his administration in Washington,
(16:43):
the Treasury Department. So I mean, I really am a
Trump loyalist, right, And I will tell you earlier this year,
you know, I reached out to her for her birthday
and she texted back, thank you so much, and I said,
let's have a phone call. Let's catch up. We haven't
talked to like eight or nine months, whatever it was.
And she didn't respond right away, and I followed up
and she didn't respond to that text, and I knew
(17:05):
something was up. And finally I got this long text
from her, and she tried to be sweet about it, occupant,
but she was like, she didn't want to break up
with me as a friend, but it was really a
kind of a harsh reality, which is, you know, she
said to me, I have two daughters and I'm very
(17:26):
concerned about the world they're going to grow up in.
And I wanted to scream, well, if you're that concerned,
she means up being fitting for Trump so he was
just joining the country, but I didn't. But she said,
you know, she got to the values question of what
we were just talking about. It's like, I can't really
relate to what you value. And I was like, and
(17:48):
not lewis America, And yes, I have political stance that
I value, of course, but I also value our friendship, right, yeah.
And I tried to soften it with my response, and
you know, we kind of went back and forth a
little bit more. But it was so shocking to me
because I haven't experienced it, although we all know people
who have and A'msulian, you pass you but and you know,
(18:11):
trying to overcome that first of all with people that
are you know, just acquaintances to your wor strangers or
people that you just meet. That's one thing right with
long friends, and some people have family members where they
can't overcome it. It is a tall, tall order and
it gets to the fund and manual iss Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think that's so just depressing to lose a really
long time friend over politics.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It is a values question, but a lot of things
that make up friendships, especially when you're not close by,
are things like things that make you laugh both you
know you both laugh at the same things, or you
know you you have things in common other than where
you stand on various political issues. And I just find
that so sad. The funny thing is I lost the
(19:04):
majority of friends that I was going to lose during
the George W. Bush administration, so you know, it was
cut off early on, and I think it would have
only gotten worse from there anyway, but it was just
that time period was sort of the culling in my life.
So like right now, a lot of Jews, for example,
are saying that a lot of you know, they're they're
(19:26):
having to cut off anti Israel friends and et cetera.
I don't have any of that anymore. I think all
the people that I lost, like in the you know,
two thousand and one to two thousand and five, are
would have been in that category and I didn't even
have them to lose this time around. But it is sad,
and I think that it is a bad sign for
our country when lifelong friends can't stay friends over politics.
(19:50):
It's just it's depressing to me. But one thing that
I wanted to kind of talk to you about is
I've had a lot of you know, famous people on
this show, but I think you are one of the
more like recognizable ones. So for a lot of the
other guests, I say to them, like, do you get
recognized in the street? But I know you get recognized
in the street, Like you'r Monica Crowley, You get recognized.
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Is it hard to make friends being like at your
level of famous? Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, that's very kind of you and thank you. And
I'm not so sure about that. I mean, there's like
Madonna level of faith, Dona Trump, hellob you want that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Nobody wants me, Carol, It's not I won't put to
tell me stare you and me are in the same category,
but thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, it's true. No, it's true, and particularly because of
what we do, right, we're speaking on current events, so
it makes us controversial. We're not. It's not like Taylor Swift,
who's putting out great music that everybody can enjoy. It's there.
You're just taking a real claim and write with a
point of view, and so it's of course it's going
to alienate maybe half the country. I will say, it's
(20:56):
when you're saying get recognized. I would qualify that Carol
by saying, it depends where I am in the country.
So when I'm in New York City, I could literally
streak naked down fifth that and they want yeah, no
one even bad and I they'd just be like, who
is that crazy person running down to attacking nut. But
(21:18):
when I'm in Florida or Texas or a more conservative state,
then yeah, you know, sometimes I do get recognized, and
it's always lovely because generally people are so nice and
they just want to picture say hello or to say
thank you for being our voice, you know on Fox News, Box, business,
your podcast, you know, monarchy, your columns, whatever of your
(21:40):
things in terms of representing us and how we think
thank you for that, and that always means the last
meets well. I always take the time, no matter where
I am, to take every picture, to talk to every person,
to really look at them in the eye and make
sure that they are seen, at least by me. You
know that they are seen because you know what, Carol,
(22:01):
In the end, most people just want to be heard,
and I just want seen as human beings. This is
one of the huge keys of Donald Trump that I
don't think anybody else recognized. In two thousand and sixteen,
when he was first running, he looked at the forgotten
men and women in this country and he said, I
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see you, I hear you, and I will be your champion.
Do you know how powerful emotionally that argument? I extraordinarily
powerful because those Americans just have felt invisible by their
elected leaders on both sides of the aisles for decades.
And here comes a guy who had never done any
(22:45):
of this before, who said, no, no, no, I hear
you and I see you, and I'm going to stand
up for you. And then he did so that kind
of emotional bond with the voters, not political, not intellectual,
emotional based again on value, but also in treating people
as human beings is extraordinary and I know the power
of that as well, because I want to be seen
(23:07):
and heard to the way to work on TV and
Ray Hrick. Yeah, I'll do, and I make sure that
when anybody approaches me. I've only had one in the
course of my career. I've only had one crazy left
winger approached me in a nasty way on the street
in New York. Of course, this was years ago, I think,
(23:27):
during the George W. Bush years, and he cannot yeah
be about the Iraq War and calling me a fascist,
and I just laughed and walked away. But really so,
I'm very lucky in my career.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
That is such a great question, Jeryl ask all of
your guests that, and I really APPRETI a question, and
I've been thinking on it because I think it's like
a deceptively simple question. I think that's there's a lot
of dynamism built into that question. I think you know
when you say make it, there's so many different avenues
(24:04):
to that, right, make it personally in your personal life,
are you happy in your personal life professionally? Do you
feel like you have succeeded with your professional goals. And
I can say yes to both of those questions. But
I also feel like there's so much more work that
to do on behalf of my country and where I've
(24:25):
poured my passion over the course of my career. There's
so much more to do. I mean, if you had
asked me a couple of years ago, would you go
into the federal government, I would be like, oh, hell no,
I'd rather eat might have been then moved to the
spot and you know, work in the federal government. And
then along King Donald Trump, and I said, I absolutely
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want to serve my country in an administration with the
president that I really believe in. So if he is
re elected, or I should say when he is re elected,
I will absolutely go back and serve out his administration.
His policy agenda has served my country, bring this country back. Absolutely,
not even a moment hesitation on that. So I think
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life takes you in different actions and there's so much
more I think to achieve. But as of now, yeah,
I'm pretty content. I mean, Carol, I'd have been so
blessed in that I have worked for two American presidents
now Richard Wixon in the last years of his life
and President Trump at the tertiary Department. That's pretty extraordinary.
(25:29):
Not many Pinons served two American presidents.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, that's I mean incredible. And I think that you
should be very proud of yourself and you should feel
like you've made it, because that seems, you know, like
making it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Thank you, Thank you, very blessed.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
One of the other questions that I ask all of
my guests, and we've touched on some of the issues already,
but what would you say is our largest cultural or
societal problem, not specifically political necessarily and is it solvable?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah? You know, I've been thinking about this. I have
been studying and talking about communism throughout my entire career,
and I've been studying it both as a political force
and as a philosophical and ideological force. What has occurred
to me over the years is that what the United
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States has been subjected to now for almost a century
is a neo Marxist revolution, and that neo Marxist revolution
has its tentacles in every area of American city in life.
So this is not just strictly political. Although there are
a lot of neo Marxists in our government, some will
(26:45):
telling you straight up, like AOC or Bernie Sanders. They'll
say a man, I'm a Democratic Socialist, which is a
euphemism for Marxism. Others are more stealthy about it. So
there's political Marxism and we see it every day. There's
also economic Marxism, and there's also social and cultural Marxism
cultural revolution. And you've written about this extensively. You're on
(27:09):
my show talking about this. You and I, we just
we want like a wall on fire. Is because you
really get it to me. It is that the fact
now that this Marxist revolution has been going on in
this country undermining all of the major pillars of American
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society and life for almost one hundred years. It really
began as a KGV operation in the nineteen thirties, and
then it took on a life of its own with
plenty of useful idiots here in the United States infiltrating
all of our institutions, what the Marxists called the long
March through our institutions that so weakened them and corroded
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American society and life that things that we once thought
we're unthinkable are now. Like everybody just shrugs, for example,
drag Queen's story. Hour for kindergarteners is Marxist cultural revolutionary behavior.
In order to indoctrinate the child, create a standing army
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of children who have been indoctrinated, smash the nuclear family.
This is all Marxism, this is all communism. So when
you ask me about like a cultural or social issue,
it is so widespread. It all gets down to the
fact that we've allowed this Marxism to rampage through this
country for decades to the point now where we are
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at the tipping point in America. And what worries to
me so much is that there are so many people
in this country who don't know history, who don't know
American history, or don't care about American history and don't
cherish it being acause they have been subjected to this indoctrination.
And so if you don't know what makes America exceptional,
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you're not willing to stand up and fight for American
exceptualism and fight for this country like you and I
do every single day with the platforms that we have,
right and when I look at subsequent generations who don't
have that education, who don't have those political values that
we talked about about cherishing basic freedoms that we see
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in the Bill of Rights, and who are now actively
at war with those freedoms in the Bill of Rights
and the Constitution to tear this country down. That to
me is the biggest problem that we have. And this
is stuff that keeps me up at night.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And do you think anything could be done to solve this?
Is this like just the end of the road for us?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, I awn an optimism. I'm a natural optimist. I'm
a happy warriors So there's always hope, that's true, But
the hour is very late. The country. He's hanging by
a threat. People who are just now waking up. I'm
glad that they're waking up, but they seem to be
under the assumption that somehow this started under Joe Biden
(30:11):
with his catastrophic presidency, or maybe even Barack Obama, and
they're tracing it back to that. This goes so far
back and has been going on so long, which is
why we're so close to the precipice here. People need
to really understand that. So in order to turn this around,
it's going to take real leadership, political, social, cultural faith
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based of people really waking up to the threat, and
it might take. I mean, we are scraping the bottom
of the barrel here, and sometimes you know, God allows
you as individuals or countries to really hit bottom. So
more and more people wake up and say, hey, wait,
you know we're losing our country. I think that's happening now.
(30:55):
I don't think it's too late to turn this around,
but it is going to require very core reaches leadership
because the Left now controls everything, every lever of power,
and they've been out of for so long that we
are going to have to be very brave. We're going
to have to all be leaders in our own communities
on this whatever platform we might have. And we also
(31:18):
have to understand it's going to take a very long
time to turn it around, because again, this didn't materialize night,
so the solution is not going to materialize overnight either.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Wow. Well everything is bad, but hopefully it can turn around.
I love talking to you, and here Monica with your
best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
their individual lives, you know, especially in the faith of
how terrible things are all over the place.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I know things look grim, but my natural optimism
is going to kick in here. I think a couple
of tips of advice to improve your own personal life,
and you know, the life of your family, the life
of your community, the life of your country. My first
word of advice is, first of all, I'm going to
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pass along the best piece of advice I ever got,
which came from President Nixon, because I was all said
to go to law school. I was just going to
work for him for one year, and I put off
a villain of a law to work for him for
the year, and then I was going to matriculate into
law school. And a couple of months in President Nixon
said to me, call me in, Carol, and he took
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Michael his glasses off, and he said, Monica, have a seat.
We have something very important to talk about. And I said, yes,
mister President, what is it? And he said, well, you're
not going to law school. Hi's there, And okay, I'm
I'm all fgo with if your plan at all times, Carol.
So I was like, I'm sorry, what And he said, Monica,
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it's clear to me that you have no passion for
the law and you're going just to law school just
to go and have an advance degree. He said, if
you feel like you need an advanced degree, you need
to go and follow your passion. So go to graduate
school and study security and American foreign policy instead. Don't
worry about the career path, don't worry about the money
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with a career. All of that will come when you
follow your passion. And so he was exactly right. I
stopped the Villanova law school process, and I'm later it
at Columbia in a PhD terminal program, got two master's
degrees at a PhD, and now security foreign policy could
(33:36):
not be happier. And the whole career. He was exactly right.
It all fell into place. So I am sharing his
wisdom with me, with you and your listener. Go to
law school, he goes, Monica, I'm a lawyer. The country
has enough lawyers. We don't need another one, and who
has no passion for the law. So go and do
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what your passionates, and everything else will fall in place.
The other final point that I just want to impart
here to everybody listening is because this is a spiritual
battle at base. This is God versus the enemy, good
versus evil. However you want to cast it. Once you
see it in those terms, you can unsee it. So
(34:19):
I would just recommend I don't know what everybody's faith
based system is, or maybe you don't believe in God.
That's your business, but I would recommend getting your spiritual
house in order. That's you're in some dark times. I
fear it might get worse before it gets better, and
I would just recommend to everybody to kind of get
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your spiritual house in order for yourself and your family.
Can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's exactly it can't go wrong.
Thank you so much for coming on, Monica. I love
talking to you. She's Monica Crowley. Please check out her podcast.
She is terrific.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
But thank you so much, Carol, my pleasure, God bless
thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Mark Show.
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