July 22, 2024 • 32 mins
In this episode, Karol talks to Robert George, a freelance writer and stand-up comedian, who shares his journey from politics to writing and comedy. He discusses the intersection of popular culture and politics, the impact of the boomer generation, and his optimistic yet cautious outlook on the state of the country. He also emphasizes the importance of surrounding oneself with good people for personal growth and resilience. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Well that was a weekend. I was at a beach
club on Long Island in New York when the news
broke that Joe Biden would not be seeking the nomination
to run for president again. Beach clubs are different all
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over the country. There are some really fancy resort style
ones near where I live in Florida, for example, But
this one is fairly modest, the kind of place where
you bring your cooler and a cabana boy builds it
up with ice so you can put some beers in it.
It's a really mixed crowd to all kinds of professions,
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all kinds of political affiliations. This cabana boy named Ryan
broke the news to me, and then you'd hear people
all around you start to find out. Here's what's interesting.
There were happy conservatives and nervous conservatives, happy and relieved liberals,
nervous liberals, and so on. The point is that emotions
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run real high around politics, and this was obviously no different.
It had already been such an insane eight days. Trump
was shot the weekend before then, the RNC happens in Milwaukee,
Trump chooses JD. Vince Biden gets COVID. Democrats just continually
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keep coming out against him, and so on. Even if
you're confident that your side will come out of this
insanity on top, it's a roller coaster ride of emotions.
This weekend, I also celebrated my America versary. It's the
day my mom and I came to the US from
the Soviet Union July twentieth, or more specifically, the day
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we came to the US after we had a few
months day in Italy waiting for approval to come over.
Getting permission to enter a country, even as a refugee,
used to be a thing we did kids. So we
celebrate July twentieth every year in our family as if
it's a birthday, and it's a really big deal. I
try to write a column every year commemorating the day.
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I have to admit that the last two years my
columns have not been very optimistic. My latest one is
up today on the Fox News site, and it's about
how when we got here in the late seventies, things
were very bad, but at least everyone admitted it. We
can't seem to get to the point today where we
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actually recognize our problems as a country, even though the
problems are somewhat obvious.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Look, I believe in America. I believe in Americans. It's
still the greatest, freest country that's ever been. But we
have some real problems, and I think we need to
face those problems. This is not a political show, as
I say every few episodes when I veer into politics anyway,
So let me bring it back to our individual lives.
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Recognizing the things you have to change about yourself is
the first step in actually making changes, and this matters
most in tumultuous times. In the last nine months of
doing this show, I've asked so many interesting people for
their best piece of advice, and the advice has been
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a range of things, you know, from putting down your
phone to reading books at night and so on. But
the more I think about my own best piece of
advice for improving your life, the more I think it's
facing reality and saying words out loud, and that translates
to admitting what your problems are, verbalizing your values to
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your children, communicating better with the people around you. I
think we should do this on an individual basis, and
going forward, I'd love to also see us do this
as a country, believe in us. Thanks for listening, and
I hope we're all in for a calmer rest of
the summer. Coming up next and interview with Robert George.
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Join us after the break.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Robert George. Robert is a freelance writer
previously at Bloomberg Daily News, New York Post, and he's
also a stand up comedian. Robert is based in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Hi, Robert, Hey, Carol, how are we doing?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So nice to have you on.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's nice to be on you know, I heart Carol
on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You're actually one. I was thinking about this. You're like
among my absolute oldest friends in this universe, are in
this little thing of ours that we do.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Is what you're trying to say.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Well, I meant in duration, but yes, you are old also.
And I remember going to your stand up shows, Like really,
I feel like you were just starting out then, right,
like in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's that's that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Often often don't tell Mama which New York officionados knows
as one of the like the great piano bars uh
in in New York, right on restaurant Row, and yeah,
we uh we did some we did some nice comedy stuff.
Then I then took a little bit of a break
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from regular stand up for like the next couple of decades,
uh and focus and focus more on improv. And then
after after the pan well sort of like a year
into the pandemic and you know, protests and stuff like that,
I just felt that there was stuff going on in
the world that I needed to express in a way
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other than just writing about the writing.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Come on, you needed to make money, you needed to
mock it.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Well, it was it was, it was. It was to market,
it was to market, and uh yeah, and I just
needed to be expressive because it seemed like the world
was going crazy in in multiple in multiple ways. And
so I decided, yeah, let's, uh, let's let's dust off
this the stand up comedy. And I decided, you know,
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I actually really do kind of like doing this, and
so let's commit to it a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I love that. So how did you get into writing?
How did you become because I might you you were
on the editorial board of the New York Post, And
where were you before that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
What's your history here?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
So I have sort of kind of kind of two
careers because in as because as you said, I am
uh in the in the in the nineties, I was,
I was working in d C, working in politics.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I worked for tell her, yeah, tell our tell our
listeners who you worked for?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well I started I started out working at the Republican
National Committee and uh at at a time when they
were going through like it seemed like there was a
new chairman, a new chairman every uh every other month.
Some part of it, I mean, uh, this is a
serious this is a serious part of a part it
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was because uh uh Lee at Order, who had been chairman,
had gotten had become ill and and died of pride
diet died of brain cancer, which was which was horrific. Uh.
And then he was replaced, and then they replaced him
and so forth. And so that was going going on
for a while and then uh, and then I ended
up going onto the hill and working for somebody that
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a few people might might have known by the name
of Michael Hoffington. No, no, no, uh new Kingridge. I
did work for Michael Huffington for for one year, but
uh I then worked for I worked for new Gingrich
when he was when he was Speaker of the House.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Nice, are you're new still in touch?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Uh? Not not so much, I've I I greatly respect him.
I greatly respect h his his historical his historic role
as the you know, at the time, the first Republican
speaker in forty years, and the the the tactical movement
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that he created to to to accomp to accomplish that.
I sort of disagree I think with some of his
his his observed observations of the of the current political scene.
But actually to to get to to sort of forecast,
you know, the discussion we're gonna have a little bit
later on about broad cultural issues, I think Newt actually
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sort of plays a rather large role in that in
the context of where we as where we are today.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But anyway, so I worked.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
For I worked for Newt for for a little bit
short of a little bit short of four years, went
back to went back to the r n C and
worked in in their in their Coalitions department, heading up coalitions,
which which means everything from you know, outreach on areas
of race and ethnicity, but it h issues as well,
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so basically trying to create the Republican will create and
nurture the Republican big tent if you will, well, making
sure that you know, the the pro family organizations are
on board, making sure that the pro choice Republicans are
on are on board. Uh you know, talking with the
you know, Chamber of Commerce over here. Uh so, yeah,
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so it was, it was It was a great It
was a great It was a great way of being
able to engage with the different parts of of a
of a of a of a broad political party.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And so people did the fact that you had to
bring all these people into the tent. Did they like
you or not like you for that? I mean the
people like, you know, are they.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Like yes, yes, and no?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, you know, I think no, I think that they Uh.
I think in that kind of position, it helps to
be somebody who is just willing to be able to
talk to anyone and just have a person and and
engaging personality and being charismatic enough to just a pretty
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engaging just to just to make sure that everybody feels
that that they have a seat at the table. I mean,
that's the that's the that's the main part of the job.
Any issue, and I would just be open with him
and say, oh, of course we can do that. Of
course we can do that. I'm not sure if we
can do I'm not sure if we can do that.
Let me, you know, let me take it back, and
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and and so forth, and and a lot of most
of the people you work with it at that at
that point are professional enough that they kind of know
how far, you know, how how far to go. But
they think it's also important obviously, you know, to ask
and to have and to have phone calls returned, you know,
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things like that. You know, ghosting in public excuse me,
ghosting in politics is usually uh, the road to ruin, right.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So then you become a writer and you decide.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I got a call.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I got a call from somebody who had who had
known in a social setting before that. He was at
that time the editorial board uh editor of the New
York Post, John Hortz.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And I know that I had no idea John, But
Horace was editorial board editor of the New York Post. Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
In fact, at that at that time he had he
had two hats at the at the Post he was
editorial he was editorial editorial board editor uh and UH
he was also overseeing their their entertainment to and arts
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and an arts section which was which is a kind
of a two headed monster that you you hardly ever
see in in in in journalism, and it was a
very it was just a rare experiment and which didn't
It didn't. It didn't last for to didn't last for
too long. So initially, UH, they reached out to me
because I had I had written I've been writing pieces
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uh in a freelance way even though I was at
I was at the UH at the r n C
UH on pop culture, on on on music and hip
hop and and and stuff like that and and the
political impact thereof. So he initially approached me about, you know,
coming on as a as a music as a music writer,
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and I had had an okay interview there, but that
that one ultimately didn't go anywhere. And then you know,
fast forward a few months later and an opening occurred
on the on the editorial board, and I was asked
if if it was something I was interested in and
and obviously if I was interested in, you know, leaving
DC coming up to New York and joining the board
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and yeah, and then they had they had me at Hellos.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, easy call, easy see, I didn't even make a
joke about you've heard of hip hop? I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Absolutely, absolutely no, I've.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That's not even a joke you can make so nowadays,
because hip hop has been around for so long that
you can be very very very old and also be
you know, yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So what kind of topics do you enjoy covering? What's
like you're what do you consider the Robert George.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Beat Well, let's well, let's well, let me give you
a couple of examples. Like so, so back in back
in twenty fifteen, this is kind of this kind of fits,
I wrote, I wrote a piece. I was still at
the I was still at the New York Post of
the time. I wrote a I wrote a piece about
the fact that you know the the the number one
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movie at that time was the was the Straight out
of Compton biopic on on n W A. And I said,
I thought it was interesting that that that was number
one at the same time that you know, this sort
of braggado show loudmouth, uh, New York, New York, New
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York businessman.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
From Queens from Queen's Yes, was.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Was making was making a lot of noise, making a
lot of noise in politics, and was going on to
what we could be considered, you know, a hostile takeover,
a hostile takeover of of of the Republican of the
Republican Party. And the interesting part is now, obviously in
real time, the n w A was you know, nineteen
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eighty eight, nineteen eighty eighty eight eighty nine, which at
that which at that time, by the way, Trump had
Trump had had released the ardi you know, the Art
of the the Art of the Deal.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So that's what he was.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
He was starting to make noise, moving out of the
business world into the broader into the broader pop cultural world.
And I said that the that the thing that was
bringing the two of them, you know, together, was uh
this uh ah ability to unnerve what could be considered,
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you know, the polite gatekeepers, either on the pop culture
side or or or on the politic or on the
politics side. And both were attacked as sexist and racist,
and and and and and and there's and there's some
legitimacy on those criticisms on on in both areas. But
I thought but but I thought it was interesting that
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that that the Trump's political political rise was hitting at
the same time that this and this n w A
n w A pick was coming out. So, you know,
those are the that that tends to be kind of
my sweet spot, you know, looking at that, looking at
that nexus of popular culture and politics.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
What would you say is our largest cultural issue?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well, Uh, this is a little bit complicated, but uh,
I mentioned earlier on working for uh, you know, working
for working for New Gendrid uh New aside from being
the first Republican Speaker of the House in forty years
when he came in when he won in ninety four,
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came in ninety five, Uh, he was also the first
he was also the first baby boomer uh speaker Speaker
of the House. And he, uh, you know obviously came
in with you know, the you know, the first baby
boomer president in Bill in Bill Clinton and uh as
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they as that cohort has has been uh since they
sort of came of cultural salience in the in the ninetees,
in the nineteen sixties. Uh, they have been disruptive, uh
in a in an immense way. I mean, it's not
surprising that our that our politics changed, and I think
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in a in a in a in a worse direction
in the in the in the nineteen nineties, it's when
when politics became more personalized, where the politics became it
seemed more about the beginning of when they became more
about morality, uh, rather than just the issues, the the
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the issues, the issues themselves. And we are still feeling
those ripple effects to today, say.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Are the worst. Yeah, that's our largest cultural problem. I
have to agree.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, it sounds and I hesitated to say this because
it's you know, it's it sounds, it sounds, it sounds.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Joking, but it sounds like that's really what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
No, no, no, that's exactly what I'm No, that's that's
exactly what I'm saying, right, And I said, I hesitated
to say this because at this point it seems almost
it seems almost like almost like a cliche. But you know,
you know, it was, it's it's it's fascinating you know
that particularly things really things started to get shaky, as
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I said, in the mid nineties when you had this
sort of Clinton and Gingrich, you know, constellation kind of
coming coming together. But it really obviously blew up in
twenty sixteen, when you know, you had you had Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump, which you know represents the the
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the extremes of of the of the of the boomer,
of the boomer general, of the boomer generation. And they
they're they're both you know, representing, you know, the the
progressive radical side on Hillary and the reactionary react radical
side in terms of in terms of Trump. I mean,
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I mean we can debate on you know, on some
of those some of those some of those some of
those definitions, but I mean, I think that's why we
are at this what I think we're at a really
precarious point in our society right now, where you know,
there's these this talk of you know, uh, national divorce
and and and and and and so and and so forth,
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because the the the the boomers have been this this disruptive,
this disruptive force, uh, as I said, since the nineteen sixties,
and each decade it's gotten it's it's gotten worse. Joe
Biden ironically, and is you know, is actually for a
few years he's so old, he's he's he's he's.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
The greatest generation generation.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Silent.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
This is the first time you've ever heard the word
silent as associated with Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
But silence like World War One bets right.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
But but but but but he he right now is
the you know, uh, the vehicle, the vehicle of the
left side of the of the boomer, of the of
the Boomer generation.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
And you know that's why the people say, oh, well,
you know Obama's controlling things.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean, I don't. I don't believe. I don't. I
don't believe that that stuff. But it is, it is,
It is.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
True that the boomer is just you know, they are
the they are the they are the guests that won't leave.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
They won't leave the party.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Because they've they've been they've they feel that they've they've
been the party and they've been controlling the party. And
I don't know, I'm not meaning this in political party,
but just as in you know.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
The the the social.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, the cocktail the cocktail party, the cocktail party that
they don't want it to they don't want it to
be over, and they are holding they are holding on,
you know, to the very last emperor and the the
the the broader society is, uh is what ends up
suffering due to that?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Are you optimistic at all or just about the state
of the country. Do you feel like we're I'm going
to you know, Morning in America or no.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
No, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm somewhat, I'm somewhat, I'm somewhat pessimistic.
I don't know exactly where this is good? This is good,
I mean, I will I will say this. One of
the books that has most influenced my thinking over many
many years uh is called It's called Generations, and it's
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by these authors, Neil Howe and and Bill Strauss. And
they did a follow up which is actually slightly better,
which is slightly better known, called the Fourth the Fourth Turning.
The General Generations came out in nineteen ninety one. The
Fourth Turning came out in nineteen ninety seven, and they
make this this sociological argument about the the repeating ripples
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of history and how generational archetypes.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Impact that.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And the archetype that has always been the most disruptive
going back centuries has been the idealist one, which in
contemporary terms, in contemporary terms is boomers. And in their
first in their first book in in Generations, they talked
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about the fact that, oh, some of the things that
we say here, you know, may be surprising to the
to the the generation that we potentially we particially focus
on that they may be surprised that a member of
their own generation could actually have such a could end
up having a significant impact. Remember their writing in nineteen
ninety one, So, for example, boomers may actually be surprised
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that individuals such as Dan Quail and Donald Trump might
actually have a significant impact on history going forward. Yeah well,
well no, I mean that, but but it's funny. Nineteen
ninety one, dan Quayle was a sitting vice president and
he was he was selected by George H. W. Bush
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because they wanted to send an example of you know,
a new general, a new generation going in. So them
mentioning dan Quayle, it was is not superprised it it
is completely normal. But they could have they could have
mentioned anybody who could have been a significant but they
mentioned they mentioned Donald Trump and but but yeah so
they so as part as part of their analysis of
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repeating ripples in history, they talk about these these crisis
points that occur like every eighty to one hundred years,
and we are we are smack dad right now in
what what they consider a crisis, a crisis point, and.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Most of those most of those those crisis.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Points in the in in the past have ended in
in in in in social and military conflict. So so
that's so, that's why I am uh, I am not optimistic.
Maybe I shouldn't say I'm pessimistic, but I should say
I'm I'm I'm not I'm not optimistic necessarily optimistic on
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on the resolution of our of our current troubles.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Do you feel like you've made it? You were, you know,
a long time writer and observer of our whole situation.
Here you get to be a stand up comedian. You
have that incredible graphic novel collection behind you, you know,
which you know, as we joked before the segment began,
you have to fight people off with a stick, you know,
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because it's so hot. Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I do?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I mean, that's it's interesting because the I will say this,
the last the last year for me has been as
personally has been has been somewhat has been, has been
somewhat challenging.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I had uh.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Uh the last job I had didn't end on the
best on the best of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
My mother, my mother passed away, and then I was diagnosed.
I was diagnosed with breast cancer. So it was and
and these all happened like like literally like one month,
like like one month after each other, last last, last summer.
So it was kind of this, whoa, you know, uh,
you know, universe, can we like slow down just.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
But in a way, I think the the universe was
sort of kind of telling me, well, no, maybe you
need to slow down just a little bit and sort
of kind of you know, kind of get a sense
of of of where you are, of where you are
in life, and what what lessons, what lessons might be leaned.
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And I I think I've been a very I've been
very very fortunate. You know this, but listeners don't. I
was I was born. I was born in Trinidad. My
mom and I moved to England when I was a
year old, and then we moved to the States when
I was when I was eight and came to came
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to New York, and then we did we moved Connecticut, California,
and New York again, and went off to college, went
off to college in Maryland, and as I said, you know,
when I went you know, went to work professionally in
politics and.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
In in in d C.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So I've I've certainly I've certainly lived the American the
American team.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I've lived you know, East, you know, in.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Terms of hip hop, I've done East Coast, I've done West, uh, East,
East Coast, West Coast and and UH and and like
everybody else, you know, we've had had certain you know,
family challenges and and and and so forth.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But you know, I've you know, I was.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I was at one time, you know, working for one
of the most you know, powerful men in the world,
you know, working you know, working on not just on
Capitol Hill. I was able to like you know, take
a couple of doorways down and go out on go
out on the speaker's balcony and take a whole whole
look at the take a whole look at the mall,
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and UH and so yeah, I I I feel I
feel in that sense, I feel in that sense you know,
I've made it. I've I've been blessed with some of
the with the many opportunities that you know, the United
States UH has has to offer. And and obviously, you know,
like like everyone else, I've had to navigate the craziness
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that the country, the country has, you know, in terms
of in terms of in terms of race and uh
and uh and you know, things that things that don't
things that don't work, but we try to continually perfect.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But you know, here we are.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I like that patriotic perspective, as you know, I think.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
One of the things that one of the things that
really irritates irritates me is and this, this really is
a case of both Sizorism is how both sides will
talk down the talk down the country because of what's
going on at a specific a specific moment. You know,
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the the you know, the left will saying, well, this
country is, this country is this country is always is
always racist and it can't be it can't be clear,
clean and even. And but then the right will We'll say,
you know this this country is god you know, going
to hell.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's uh, it's it's not as good as it was going.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Hasn't gone yet. It's like you're you're you're trying to
you know, cut off the going.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So uh, you know, I I just don't, you know,
I I have very I have very I have very
little patience for that for that attitude that ignores how
uh recognizes you know, recognizes you know, where we've you
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know where we've been. And uh, the the the legitimate
problems that the that that the that the country that
the country has had, but the fact that it is
always trying to become always trying to become better and
has a has a better it has a greater capacity
too to read and learn from learn from its mistakes,
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uh and and fix them either in a in a
social way or a legislative way than just about any
other country in the world.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I love that well, Robert, And here with your best
tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Be be around and identify good people that make you smile,
make you think, uh, and make you make make you
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a better person, and and and do the same and
do the same thing and do the same thing to
them as as well. I know certainly in the context
of the challenges that I've I've faced in in the
in the in the last year, I certainly wouldn't have
managed to uh to get through it without the the
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the great friends in my life who completely unbidden just
regularly reached out and say, oh, you know, do you
need me to take you need to you need to drive,
you need you need to drive to the doctor, How
are you doing? Just checking in? You know, let's let's
let's go to a you know, let's go to a
baseball game. You know, just you know, I just want
to just want to check in and see how, you know,
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see how you're doing. So so that's that's the thing.
So you know, whether they whether those people are you know,
obviously part of your actual you know, biological family or
the great you know, the the great friends that you've
that you've met along the way. Keep those people, keep
those people in your life, and uh, that will help
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you survive.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So good. Here is Robert George to read him everywhere,
check out his comedy shows. He's really just a fantastic guy.
Thank you so much, Robert, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Carol's blooming a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Thanks for listening to The Carol Marko Witch Show. Subscribe
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Hello, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Well that was a weekend. I was at a beach
club on Long Island in New York when the news
broke that Joe Biden would not be seeking the nomination
to run for president again. Beach clubs are different all
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over the country. There are some really fancy resort style
ones near where I live in Florida, for example, But
this one is fairly modest, the kind of place where
you bring your cooler and a cabana boy builds it
up with ice so you can put some beers in it.
It's a really mixed crowd to all kinds of professions,
(00:48):
all kinds of political affiliations. This cabana boy named Ryan
broke the news to me, and then you'd hear people
all around you start to find out. Here's what's interesting.
There were happy conservatives and nervous conservatives, happy and relieved liberals,
nervous liberals, and so on. The point is that emotions
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run real high around politics, and this was obviously no different.
It had already been such an insane eight days. Trump
was shot the weekend before then, the RNC happens in Milwaukee,
Trump chooses JD. Vince Biden gets COVID. Democrats just continually
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keep coming out against him, and so on. Even if
you're confident that your side will come out of this
insanity on top, it's a roller coaster ride of emotions.
This weekend, I also celebrated my America versary. It's the
day my mom and I came to the US from
the Soviet Union July twentieth, or more specifically, the day
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we came to the US after we had a few
months day in Italy waiting for approval to come over.
Getting permission to enter a country, even as a refugee,
used to be a thing we did kids. So we
celebrate July twentieth every year in our family as if
it's a birthday, and it's a really big deal. I
try to write a column every year commemorating the day.
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I have to admit that the last two years my
columns have not been very optimistic. My latest one is
up today on the Fox News site, and it's about
how when we got here in the late seventies, things
were very bad, but at least everyone admitted it. We
can't seem to get to the point today where we
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actually recognize our problems as a country, even though the
problems are somewhat obvious.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Look, I believe in America. I believe in Americans. It's
still the greatest, freest country that's ever been. But we
have some real problems, and I think we need to
face those problems. This is not a political show, as
I say every few episodes when I veer into politics anyway,
So let me bring it back to our individual lives.
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Recognizing the things you have to change about yourself is
the first step in actually making changes, and this matters
most in tumultuous times. In the last nine months of
doing this show, I've asked so many interesting people for
their best piece of advice, and the advice has been
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a range of things, you know, from putting down your
phone to reading books at night and so on. But
the more I think about my own best piece of
advice for improving your life, the more I think it's
facing reality and saying words out loud, and that translates
to admitting what your problems are, verbalizing your values to
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your children, communicating better with the people around you. I
think we should do this on an individual basis, and
going forward, I'd love to also see us do this
as a country, believe in us. Thanks for listening, and
I hope we're all in for a calmer rest of
the summer. Coming up next and interview with Robert George.
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Join us after the break.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Robert George. Robert is a freelance writer
previously at Bloomberg Daily News, New York Post, and he's
also a stand up comedian. Robert is based in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Hi, Robert, Hey, Carol, how are we doing?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So nice to have you on.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's nice to be on you know, I heart Carol
on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You're actually one. I was thinking about this. You're like
among my absolute oldest friends in this universe, are in
this little thing of ours that we do.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Is what you're trying to say.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Well, I meant in duration, but yes, you are old also.
And I remember going to your stand up shows, Like really,
I feel like you were just starting out then, right,
like in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's that's that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Often often don't tell Mama which New York officionados knows
as one of the like the great piano bars uh
in in New York, right on restaurant Row, and yeah,
we uh we did some we did some nice comedy stuff.
Then I then took a little bit of a break
(05:28):
from regular stand up for like the next couple of decades,
uh and focus and focus more on improv. And then
after after the pan well sort of like a year
into the pandemic and you know, protests and stuff like that,
I just felt that there was stuff going on in
the world that I needed to express in a way
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other than just writing about the writing.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Come on, you needed to make money, you needed to
mock it.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Well, it was it was, it was. It was to market,
it was to market, and uh yeah, and I just
needed to be expressive because it seemed like the world
was going crazy in in multiple in multiple ways. And
so I decided, yeah, let's, uh, let's let's dust off
this the stand up comedy. And I decided, you know,
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I actually really do kind of like doing this, and
so let's commit to it a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I love that. So how did you get into writing?
How did you become because I might you you were
on the editorial board of the New York Post, And
where were you before that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
What's your history here?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
So I have sort of kind of kind of two
careers because in as because as you said, I am
uh in the in the in the nineties, I was,
I was working in d C, working in politics.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I worked for tell her, yeah, tell our tell our
listeners who you worked for?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well I started I started out working at the Republican
National Committee and uh at at a time when they
were going through like it seemed like there was a
new chairman, a new chairman every uh every other month.
Some part of it, I mean, uh, this is a
serious this is a serious part of a part it
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was because uh uh Lee at Order, who had been chairman,
had gotten had become ill and and died of pride
diet died of brain cancer, which was which was horrific. Uh.
And then he was replaced, and then they replaced him
and so forth. And so that was going going on
for a while and then uh, and then I ended
up going onto the hill and working for somebody that
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a few people might might have known by the name
of Michael Hoffington. No, no, no, uh new Kingridge. I
did work for Michael Huffington for for one year, but
uh I then worked for I worked for new Gingrich
when he was when he was Speaker of the House.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Nice, are you're new still in touch?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Uh? Not not so much, I've I I greatly respect him.
I greatly respect h his his historical his historic role
as the you know, at the time, the first Republican
speaker in forty years, and the the the tactical movement
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that he created to to to accomp to accomplish that.
I sort of disagree I think with some of his
his his observed observations of the of the current political scene.
But actually to to get to to sort of forecast,
you know, the discussion we're gonna have a little bit
later on about broad cultural issues, I think Newt actually
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sort of plays a rather large role in that in
the context of where we as where we are today.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But anyway, so I worked.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
For I worked for Newt for for a little bit
short of a little bit short of four years, went
back to went back to the r n C and
worked in in their in their Coalitions department, heading up coalitions,
which which means everything from you know, outreach on areas
of race and ethnicity, but it h issues as well,
(09:17):
so basically trying to create the Republican will create and
nurture the Republican big tent if you will, well, making
sure that you know, the the pro family organizations are
on board, making sure that the pro choice Republicans are
on are on board. Uh you know, talking with the
you know, Chamber of Commerce over here. Uh so, yeah,
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so it was, it was It was a great It
was a great It was a great way of being
able to engage with the different parts of of a
of a of a of a broad political party.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And so people did the fact that you had to
bring all these people into the tent. Did they like
you or not like you for that? I mean the
people like, you know, are they.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Like yes, yes, and no?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, you know, I think no, I think that they Uh.
I think in that kind of position, it helps to
be somebody who is just willing to be able to
talk to anyone and just have a person and and
engaging personality and being charismatic enough to just a pretty
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engaging just to just to make sure that everybody feels
that that they have a seat at the table. I mean,
that's the that's the that's the main part of the job.
Any issue, and I would just be open with him
and say, oh, of course we can do that. Of
course we can do that. I'm not sure if we
can do I'm not sure if we can do that.
Let me, you know, let me take it back, and
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and and so forth, and and a lot of most
of the people you work with it at that at
that point are professional enough that they kind of know
how far, you know, how how far to go. But
they think it's also important obviously, you know, to ask
and to have and to have phone calls returned, you know,
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things like that. You know, ghosting in public excuse me,
ghosting in politics is usually uh, the road to ruin, right.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So then you become a writer and you decide.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I got a call.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I got a call from somebody who had who had
known in a social setting before that. He was at
that time the editorial board uh editor of the New
York Post, John Hortz.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And I know that I had no idea John, But
Horace was editorial board editor of the New York Post. Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
In fact, at that at that time he had he
had two hats at the at the Post he was
editorial he was editorial editorial board editor uh and UH
he was also overseeing their their entertainment to and arts
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and an arts section which was which is a kind
of a two headed monster that you you hardly ever
see in in in in journalism, and it was a
very it was just a rare experiment and which didn't
It didn't. It didn't last for to didn't last for
too long. So initially, UH, they reached out to me
because I had I had written I've been writing pieces
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uh in a freelance way even though I was at
I was at the UH at the r n C
UH on pop culture, on on on music and hip
hop and and and stuff like that and and the
political impact thereof. So he initially approached me about, you know,
coming on as a as a music as a music writer,
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and I had had an okay interview there, but that
that one ultimately didn't go anywhere. And then you know,
fast forward a few months later and an opening occurred
on the on the editorial board, and I was asked
if if it was something I was interested in and
and obviously if I was interested in, you know, leaving
DC coming up to New York and joining the board
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and yeah, and then they had they had me at Hellos.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, easy call, easy see, I didn't even make a
joke about you've heard of hip hop? I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Absolutely, absolutely no, I've.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That's not even a joke you can make so nowadays,
because hip hop has been around for so long that
you can be very very very old and also be
you know, yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Right, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So what kind of topics do you enjoy covering? What's
like you're what do you consider the Robert George.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Beat Well, let's well, let's well, let me give you
a couple of examples. Like so, so back in back
in twenty fifteen, this is kind of this kind of fits,
I wrote, I wrote a piece. I was still at
the I was still at the New York Post of
the time. I wrote a I wrote a piece about
the fact that you know the the the number one
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movie at that time was the was the Straight out
of Compton biopic on on n W A. And I said,
I thought it was interesting that that that was number
one at the same time that you know, this sort
of braggado show loudmouth, uh, New York, New York, New
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York businessman.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
From Queens from Queen's Yes, was.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Was making was making a lot of noise, making a
lot of noise in politics, and was going on to
what we could be considered, you know, a hostile takeover,
a hostile takeover of of of the Republican of the
Republican Party. And the interesting part is now, obviously in
real time, the n w A was you know, nineteen
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eighty eight, nineteen eighty eighty eight eighty nine, which at
that which at that time, by the way, Trump had
Trump had had released the ardi you know, the Art
of the the Art of the Deal.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So that's what he was.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
He was starting to make noise, moving out of the
business world into the broader into the broader pop cultural world.
And I said that the that the thing that was
bringing the two of them, you know, together, was uh
this uh ah ability to unnerve what could be considered,
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you know, the polite gatekeepers, either on the pop culture
side or or or on the politic or on the
politics side. And both were attacked as sexist and racist,
and and and and and and there's and there's some
legitimacy on those criticisms on on in both areas. But
I thought but but I thought it was interesting that
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that that the Trump's political political rise was hitting at
the same time that this and this n w A
n w A pick was coming out. So, you know,
those are the that that tends to be kind of
my sweet spot, you know, looking at that, looking at
that nexus of popular culture and politics.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
What would you say is our largest cultural issue?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Well, Uh, this is a little bit complicated, but uh,
I mentioned earlier on working for uh, you know, working
for working for New Gendrid uh New aside from being
the first Republican Speaker of the House in forty years
when he came in when he won in ninety four,
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came in ninety five, Uh, he was also the first
he was also the first baby boomer uh speaker Speaker
of the House. And he, uh, you know obviously came
in with you know, the you know, the first baby
boomer president in Bill in Bill Clinton and uh as
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they as that cohort has has been uh since they
sort of came of cultural salience in the in the ninetees,
in the nineteen sixties. Uh, they have been disruptive, uh
in a in an immense way. I mean, it's not
surprising that our that our politics changed, and I think
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in a in a in a in a worse direction
in the in the in the nineteen nineties, it's when
when politics became more personalized, where the politics became it
seemed more about the beginning of when they became more
about morality, uh, rather than just the issues, the the
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the issues, the issues themselves. And we are still feeling
those ripple effects to today, say.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Are the worst. Yeah, that's our largest cultural problem. I
have to agree.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, it sounds and I hesitated to say this because
it's you know, it's it sounds, it sounds, it sounds.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Joking, but it sounds like that's really what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
No, no, no, that's exactly what I'm No, that's that's
exactly what I'm saying, right, And I said, I hesitated
to say this because at this point it seems almost
it seems almost like almost like a cliche. But you know,
you know, it was, it's it's it's fascinating you know
that particularly things really things started to get shaky, as
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I said, in the mid nineties when you had this
sort of Clinton and Gingrich, you know, constellation kind of
coming coming together. But it really obviously blew up in
twenty sixteen, when you know, you had you had Hillary
Clinton and Donald Trump, which you know represents the the
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the extremes of of the of the of the boomer,
of the boomer general, of the boomer generation. And they
they're they're both you know, representing, you know, the the
progressive radical side on Hillary and the reactionary react radical
side in terms of in terms of Trump. I mean,
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I mean we can debate on you know, on some
of those some of those some of those some of
those definitions, but I mean, I think that's why we
are at this what I think we're at a really
precarious point in our society right now, where you know,
there's these this talk of you know, uh, national divorce
and and and and and and so and and so forth,
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because the the the the boomers have been this this disruptive,
this disruptive force, uh, as I said, since the nineteen sixties,
and each decade it's gotten it's it's gotten worse. Joe
Biden ironically, and is you know, is actually for a
few years he's so old, he's he's he's he's.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
The greatest generation generation.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Silent.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
This is the first time you've ever heard the word
silent as associated with Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
But silence like World War One bets right.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
But but but but but he he right now is
the you know, uh, the vehicle, the vehicle of the
left side of the of the boomer, of the of
the Boomer generation.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
And you know that's why the people say, oh, well,
you know Obama's controlling things.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I mean, I don't. I don't believe. I don't. I
don't believe that that stuff. But it is, it is,
It is.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
True that the boomer is just you know, they are
the they are the they are the guests that won't leave.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
They won't leave the party.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Because they've they've been they've they feel that they've they've
been the party and they've been controlling the party. And
I don't know, I'm not meaning this in political party,
but just as in you know.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
The the the social.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, the cocktail the cocktail party, the cocktail party that
they don't want it to they don't want it to
be over, and they are holding they are holding on,
you know, to the very last emperor and the the
the the broader society is, uh is what ends up
suffering due to that?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Are you optimistic at all or just about the state
of the country. Do you feel like we're I'm going
to you know, Morning in America or no.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
No, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm somewhat, I'm somewhat, I'm somewhat pessimistic.
I don't know exactly where this is good? This is good,
I mean, I will I will say this. One of
the books that has most influenced my thinking over many
many years uh is called It's called Generations, and it's
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by these authors, Neil Howe and and Bill Strauss. And
they did a follow up which is actually slightly better,
which is slightly better known, called the Fourth the Fourth Turning.
The General Generations came out in nineteen ninety one. The
Fourth Turning came out in nineteen ninety seven, and they
make this this sociological argument about the the repeating ripples
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of history and how generational archetypes.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Impact that.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And the archetype that has always been the most disruptive
going back centuries has been the idealist one, which in
contemporary terms, in contemporary terms is boomers. And in their
first in their first book in in Generations, they talked
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about the fact that, oh, some of the things that
we say here, you know, may be surprising to the
to the the generation that we potentially we particially focus
on that they may be surprised that a member of
their own generation could actually have such a could end
up having a significant impact. Remember their writing in nineteen
ninety one, So, for example, boomers may actually be surprised
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that individuals such as Dan Quail and Donald Trump might
actually have a significant impact on history going forward. Yeah well,
well no, I mean that, but but it's funny. Nineteen
ninety one, dan Quayle was a sitting vice president and
he was he was selected by George H. W. Bush
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because they wanted to send an example of you know,
a new general, a new generation going in. So them
mentioning dan Quayle, it was is not superprised it it
is completely normal. But they could have they could have
mentioned anybody who could have been a significant but they
mentioned they mentioned Donald Trump and but but yeah so
they so as part as part of their analysis of
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repeating ripples in history, they talk about these these crisis
points that occur like every eighty to one hundred years,
and we are we are smack dad right now in
what what they consider a crisis, a crisis point, and.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Most of those most of those those crisis.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Points in the in in the past have ended in
in in in in social and military conflict. So so
that's so, that's why I am uh, I am not optimistic.
Maybe I shouldn't say I'm pessimistic, but I should say
I'm I'm I'm not I'm not optimistic necessarily optimistic on
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on the resolution of our of our current troubles.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Do you feel like you've made it? You were, you know,
a long time writer and observer of our whole situation.
Here you get to be a stand up comedian. You
have that incredible graphic novel collection behind you, you know,
which you know, as we joked before the segment began,
you have to fight people off with a stick, you know,
(25:19):
because it's so hot. Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I do?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I mean, that's it's interesting because the I will say this,
the last the last year for me has been as
personally has been has been somewhat has been, has been
somewhat challenging.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I had uh.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Uh the last job I had didn't end on the
best on the best of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
My mother, my mother passed away, and then I was diagnosed.
I was diagnosed with breast cancer. So it was and
and these all happened like like literally like one month,
like like one month after each other, last last, last summer.
So it was kind of this, whoa, you know, uh,
you know, universe, can we like slow down just.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
But in a way, I think the the universe was
sort of kind of telling me, well, no, maybe you
need to slow down just a little bit and sort
of kind of you know, kind of get a sense
of of of where you are, of where you are
in life, and what what lessons, what lessons might be leaned.
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And I I think I've been a very I've been
very very fortunate. You know this, but listeners don't. I
was I was born. I was born in Trinidad. My
mom and I moved to England when I was a
year old, and then we moved to the States when
I was when I was eight and came to came
(26:54):
to New York, and then we did we moved Connecticut, California,
and New York again, and went off to college, went
off to college in Maryland, and as I said, you know,
when I went you know, went to work professionally in
politics and.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
In in in d C.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So I've I've certainly I've certainly lived the American the
American team.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I've lived you know, East, you know, in.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Terms of hip hop, I've done East Coast, I've done West, uh, East,
East Coast, West Coast and and UH and and like
everybody else, you know, we've had had certain you know,
family challenges and and and and so forth.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But you know, I've you know, I was.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I was at one time, you know, working for one
of the most you know, powerful men in the world,
you know, working you know, working on not just on
Capitol Hill. I was able to like you know, take
a couple of doorways down and go out on go
out on the speaker's balcony and take a whole whole
look at the take a whole look at the mall,
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and UH and so yeah, I I I feel I
feel in that sense, I feel in that sense you know,
I've made it. I've I've been blessed with some of
the with the many opportunities that you know, the United
States UH has has to offer. And and obviously, you know,
like like everyone else, I've had to navigate the craziness
(28:19):
that the country, the country has, you know, in terms
of in terms of in terms of race and uh
and uh and you know, things that things that don't
things that don't work, but we try to continually perfect.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But you know, here we are.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I like that patriotic perspective, as you know, I think.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
One of the things that one of the things that
really irritates irritates me is and this, this really is
a case of both Sizorism is how both sides will
talk down the talk down the country because of what's
going on at a specific a specific moment. You know,
(29:03):
the the you know, the left will saying, well, this
country is, this country is this country is always is
always racist and it can't be it can't be clear,
clean and even. And but then the right will We'll say,
you know this this country is god you know, going
to hell.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's uh, it's it's not as good as it was going.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Hasn't gone yet. It's like you're you're you're trying to
you know, cut off the going.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So uh, you know, I I just don't, you know,
I I have very I have very I have very
little patience for that for that attitude that ignores how
uh recognizes you know, recognizes you know, where we've you
(29:49):
know where we've been. And uh, the the the legitimate
problems that the that that the that the country that
the country has had, but the fact that it is
always trying to become always trying to become better and
has a has a better it has a greater capacity
too to read and learn from learn from its mistakes,
(30:16):
uh and and fix them either in a in a
social way or a legislative way than just about any
other country in the world.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I love that well, Robert, And here with your best
tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Be be around and identify good people that make you smile,
make you think, uh, and make you make make you
(30:51):
a better person, and and and do the same and
do the same thing and do the same thing to
them as as well. I know certainly in the context
of the challenges that I've I've faced in in the
in the in the last year, I certainly wouldn't have
managed to uh to get through it without the the
(31:16):
the great friends in my life who completely unbidden just
regularly reached out and say, oh, you know, do you
need me to take you need to you need to drive,
you need you need to drive to the doctor, How
are you doing? Just checking in? You know, let's let's
let's go to a you know, let's go to a
baseball game. You know, just you know, I just want
to just want to check in and see how, you know,
(31:36):
see how you're doing. So so that's that's the thing.
So you know, whether they whether those people are you know,
obviously part of your actual you know, biological family or
the great you know, the the great friends that you've
that you've met along the way. Keep those people, keep
those people in your life, and uh, that will help
(31:57):
you survive.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So good. Here is Robert George to read him everywhere,
check out his comedy shows. He's really just a fantastic guy.
Thank you so much, Robert, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Carol's blooming a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
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