February 26, 2024 • 24 mins
In this podcast, Karol interviews Jesse Kelly, host of the Jesse Kelly Show and author of The Anti-Communist Manifesto. They discuss Jesse's journey into radio and media, the importance of raising men and the breakdown of the American family, the solvable societal problem, and Jesse's advice for improving lives by cutting toxic people out of your life. Jesse reflects on his success and emphasizes the importance of never feeling like he has 'made it.' The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Last week, I read a note from a friend who
took some issue with my pro marriage perspective. Today, I'm
going to read a note from a listener that I
also want to explore. I'm going to cut out some
parts of the email where he gives identifying information. I
grew up reading the New York Post, and I started
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following your articles during the COVID period, where you seem
to be one of the only people making sense. I
also agree with all your other points on school choice,
merit based admissions, and anti.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Wokeness in general.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I started listening to your podcast and particularly enjoy the monologues,
and it was a very smart strategy to keep all
episodes under thirty minutes, which is perfect for a typical commute.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good job with that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One thing I don't agree with you on, however, is
your stance on marriage, especially for men. One thing that
also happened to me during the COVID years I got divorced.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It is tough for me to even type that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Word, not by my choice. With two kids in preschool.
I fully understand the point you and your guests keep
stressing that you are better off in life, especially financially,
if you follow the path of graduation, marriage, kids. That
is what I did For most people. That works. But
one thing you failed to mention is that if and
when it doesn't work, the family court laws are so
stacked against men that they can be near ruined financially,
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not to mention emotionally by the decisions of another that
they have absolutely no control of. This is doubly as
bad if you have kids, and triply as bad if
you were the sole source of income or if there
was a large income disparity. Yes, part of the answer
is to be more careful will you marry, But even so,
people can change their mind, especially after major life changes
such as having kids were relocating. The divorce courts don't
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really require a reason, but the higher earner, usually the man,
is still responsible for certain things financially, mainly child support,
even if he has fifty percent or more child placement,
or the woman gets remarried to someone wealthy. There are
no exceptions in that case. One partner can change their
mind and back out of a contract, essentially get rewarded
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for it, and then continue to get rewarded. Any system
that allows that to be the case is a broken
system and should not be recommended. The same topic has
come up in your Twitter comments before, so I know
I'm not the only guy that feels this way. I
wish this topic would be discussed more, especially as a
warning to young men. It's not about staying single forever
to party or sleep around. It's about protecting yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I do hear this perspective from men a lot, and
I want to talk about it. I'm not a lawyer,
and I admit this system does sound very broken. I
know there's also the child custody laws that very much
favor the women. I've heard this from men before. I
don't know the solution to fixing the courts, and obviously
each individual situation is different. By the way, If you
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do have a solution to fixing the courts, I'd love
to hear from you. I'd love to read more about it.
If you've got something to tell me, email me or
tweet at me. But when I talk about marriage being
a good thing, I'm obviously talking in broader strokes. I'm
very sorry you're marriage didn't work out, and I really
understand the pain when you did all you could to
make it work. My question here would be what will
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you tell your own kids? Will you tell them to
spend their lives alone and not get married.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Not have children.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yes, the marriage contract comes with risks, but it also
comes with a lot of rewards that I have outlined
in previous columns and on this show. It's not perfect.
There is no perfect. I want people to know that
I hear them. I know it's not easy, and we're
all trying to move towards something better. I'm going to
be thinking about this whether men get a bad bargain
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in marriage despite all the obvious benefits, and I'll try
to address it in future episodes. Coming up next and
interview with Jesse Kelly. Join us after the break.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Jesse Kelly, host of The Jesse Kelly
Show and author of the best selling book The Anti
Communist Manifesto.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Hi Jesse, Hi Carol.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yes, it was an incredible book, if I say so myself,
and I know.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You do say so yourself, so I wanted to say
it for you.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Thanks, Carol, Thanks, I appreciate you. I appreciate it. It's
just the best seller. No big deal.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I don't want to brag, you know, no big deal.
I thought it was really good. I thought it was
a very well done book. And you know, some humble
Jesse kellyness came through in every page, and I think
that's what it's really all about.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, I'm all about humility, Carol. I try to make
sure that I lead with my humility, which is incredible.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So I know who you are and I know what
you do. But to tell my listeners about you, I
know our mutual friend Michael Berry, who, by the way,
is way too busy to come on my show, so
we had to settle for you played some.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Role in getting you involved in radio.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Tell us how it happened, he did.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
He played a big role. So I don't traditionally do
media like I'm not a media person. I've lived a
very normal life like everyone else. We're construction. I came
up in a construction family, marines. I've washed dishes, you know.
And before I was doing this, I was selling RV's,
which is a job I found on Craigslist. I had
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moved to Texas. I was out of work. This is
like ten years ago. I was out of work. I
couldn't find a job on Craigslist. I found an ad
for RV salesman. I went and showed up at the
interview and got the job. I'd be pretty good at it,
So I was selling arms. I was good at it, Yeah,
I was. I was surprised to I never sold anything.
But the job eventually took me down to Houston, Texas
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to be the sales manager at some store down here
in Houston. And I was getting I was still active
every now and then. I love politics, right, I was
always paying attention. But I was putting some things online.
And Michael Berry is a huge nationally syndicated conservative talk
guy from Houston.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I did not know him.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I did not know at the time, but he saw
something I'd put out on Twitter actually, and had his
people send me a message, say, hey, you want to
come on my show do a radio hit, just talk
about and I forget even what it was about. Sure
I go on a show, it goes well. I mean,
I've done a bunch of radio and TV. Because I'd
run for Congress, I guess I should have put that
in there.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'd run for.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Congress twice in Arizona, and he's got mad and ran
for office. I do stupid impulsive things all the time.
I won the primary twice, lost the general election twice. Anyway, Well,
I go on Barry's show and I'd done radio, and
I was in my RV lot, actually in the sales room.
I'm doing a radio hit. I hang up the phone.
Don't think of it. I go back selling our vs.
That night, I'm heading home. I'm in the mood for
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something pretty classy. So I go to Taco Bell and
I'm sitting there and Taco Bell's driving.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
What's your order?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I talk about.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Okay, I have the best order. So everyone needs to
pay attention here. First of all, two orders of nachos
every time, just the chips and cheese. You don't have
to go Bell Grande or something like that. Two orders
of nachos every time. Get a beef casadilla with extra
jalapeno sauce.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That's an option. A lot of people don't know that's
an option.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
That's an option, beef, extra halipedo sauce. And then you
get the cheesy gordy to crunch with no lettuce. I'm
not ordering a salad, and actually a spicy ranch. No
let us extra spicy ranch. A bunch of Diablo sauce,
mountain dew. That's as good as he gets.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So I've never had Taco Bell, so I'm going to
completely disregard that. I'm going to completely disregard that order,
but I am planning to have it soon.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I'm going to disregard that order and just get whatever
I want. But I wanted to, you know, I wanted
to hear what it was.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Hold on, you've never been to Taco.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
We've never had Taco Bell.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's my husband's favorite fast food, and yet he has
it like whenever I'm out of town and I have
never had it.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So shame on you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Shame Okay, back to the story.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Back to the story.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
You're getting some ridiculous order with extra jolopano sauce, and then.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Taco Bells drive through about to order the best order ever.
As I do, as the menu whisper and my cell
phone rings and it's Michael Berry.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Okay, I answered the phone. He loves the radio hit.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
We just started talking about politics and life and everything else.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I ended up getting to know him. We end up
hanging out a bunch.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
He owned a big honkey tonk bar here in Houston
and I go up and we'd have bourbon, we'd sit
out and we'd hang out with me and all his
friends and whatnot. After a while, he said to me, Hey,
I think if you want a career in media, you
could be really special at it. Well, you know, I
love flattery, Carol.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Of course, so went right for it. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Well, and I was getting tired of selling RBS. I
was just getting tired of that. It was a great job.
I'm not complaining about it at all. It fed my
family for years, but I was getting old and so
that he said that, and it kind of sparked something
to me. I said, Okay, I quit my job without
a job, and I started putting out stupid YouTube videos
called Jesse Kelly Brief. You can go see them still
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to this day on YouTube. They're a two minute long videos.
It was a concept, Michael, when I came up with.
They ended up getting noticed by the right people, and
I got a one hour at night radio show here
in Houston on the local station and seven to eight
at night.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, no one's even listening, and it killed and
they made it popular time.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, no one's listening, right, no one's even there. No
one's driving. It's horrible and it killed. So they moved
me to two hours at evening drive and it killed.
And then a small national syndication company, smaller called Key Networks.
They listened and they love it, and they called. This
is like three years ago. They called, and they syndicated
the thing Nashally in like ten or twelve cities. And
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then Rush passed away. Buck Sexton moved from the evening
slot Premiere Networks. iHeart you know, the biggest syndicator.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
They had been listening and I didn't know. You never
know who's listening, right, I had been listening and they
loved it. And this is two and a half years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Two and a.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Half years ago they called and said, you want to
do evening drive on the biggest syndicator in the country.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And here I am.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I can't believe it's only been two and a half years.
You're like, you know, pretty famous.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, I'm huge.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I'm a major celebrity obviously. No and no, And now
I do TV too. I have a TV show on
the first TV And I had this book which I
can't believe that was good, to be honest, honestly, everything
else aside. I really am surprised that all this worked.
You know, when I quit my job, we were running
out of money quickly and things were what didn't look
like anything was going to work. I was gonna have
to go back and sell our vs, right, and it
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all worked. I just can't believe it works. So here
I am.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I get to talk to Carol market Witz.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So A question that I asked people is if you
weren't doing this, what would be the plan B?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
But this sort of is the plan B.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
This was the you know, I guess if you weren't
a radio personality, would you go back to selling RVs?
Is that what the plan be of life would be?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You do, Carol?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I wish I actually had a better answer for this,
because I don't know. I always did what I had
to do to pay my bills and feed my family
and get by. You know, I always thought I was
going to work construction my whole life, like my dad did,
like his dad did. And then I ran for office
a couple of times. I never knew I was going
to do that. Again, I make stupid, impulsive decisions. I
didn't know I was going to do that. I didn't
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know I was going to find a job on Craigslist.
I don't know what I would do.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
And look, I'll probably get fired for saying something offensive
at some point, so I'll probably have to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right, I think you just start thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I just I never thought about it.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
But I never felt I never felt settled with whatever
I was doing until I started doing this. You know,
I hear doing the job. It's not an important job, right,
I do radio on TV. I don't have an important job.
I'm not a celebrity.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
But the fact that the show means something to people
means everything to me. Email me had just got out
of federal prison. I have a lot of prisoners who
listened to the show stay federal prison. And he had
cleaned his life up and he's turned his life around.
And he emailed in and like gave me credit for that,
which I don't deserve any credit for that.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But I love that knowing that that means something. You know.
I listened with my kids every day on the way
to school, and they love it. That makes my life.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's better than the paychecks, better than anything else. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That is awesome.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Does he pursue a Jesse Kelly approved life afterwards?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I hope so?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, he needs to have a better life than I do.
I certainly don't follow my example, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So you mentioned your family, and I've met your wife.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
She is gorgeous and brilliant and adorable and sweet and like.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Just such a good person. So like, how how did
you do this? How did you hand her?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Tell us?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, two things, Carol.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
One, you women can deny this all you want, but
women love jerks.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
They just do. I wish.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But you're not a jerk to her.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That's the thing, right, You are not a joke to her.
You are a tamed puppy when you're around.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, not a jerk to her, No, definitely not.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But also she hates sissies like guys she can push around.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
She she depuises it.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
And according to her, I'm the first guy she ever
days that wasn't like that. You know, I'm just just
them not that way, because my dad was not that way.
And the fact that I'm six ' eight helps to
don't lie, Carol.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, it's a bit much. I mean, it's too much.
Let's be honest. It's too much. I'm happy.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I'm grateful that God maybe six eight, but if I
could have stopped at you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Know, six ' four, I probably would have. I'm in
the You have.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
To buy first class plane tickets realm. Otherwise you can't fly,
and that gets really expensive. I have to special order pants.
I can't just walk in JC Penny and grab a
pair of jeans. I have to find some tall website.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And order them there.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
There are certainly inconveniences with it. I hit my head
all the time, probably why I'm going bald.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, that's probably it.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, so you tweeted something really interesting like a month
or so ago, and I tried to find it. You
delete your tweets, right, Is that the the auto delete or.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Something auto delete everything auto deletes after a week or
something like that.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, you're really really worrying about that. Can't being canceled thing?
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Huh No, No, I don't. I like to keep it fresh.
It's not a canceled thing. Everyone just saves all my
tweets anyway. It's not all the people who want to
cancel me and just save them all anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Wouldn't do any good.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I like to keep everything fresh all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I enjoyed. It makes me. I think it helps me
be more creative for the more.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. I like to look
back at what I tweeted, like ten years ago and
be like, look, I was right.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But that's another story.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
But so about a month ago, maybe you tweeted this
thing and I could get the details wrong because I
don't have the tweet. But it was a navy seal
I believe ended up in the water in the ocean
and his buddy, another Navy seal, jumped in after him.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Is that the correct stories.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That that is the correct seat.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You tweeted?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Like, how do we raise our sons to be the
kind of men that would just jump into the water
and save their friend. Couple of things about this one.
This is probably where men and women are different, because
my first instinct is like, please don't jump into that water,
like please just save yourself, Like I can't not have
you come home. And but on the other hand, I
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understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You want to raise the.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Kind of men that will jump in the water and
save their friend or try to. And of course the
sad story here is that they both died.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So how do we do that? How do we raise
those men?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Carol? I don't know, but I want to know, right,
I don't know. And you know, look, if one of.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
My sons died, I would just diet, would just break
and I would die.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
So it's not like I want my kids to dive
into the ocean. But a good life is better than
a long life, right. And to watch a friend go
into the scariest place on earth, the open ocean, which
I love. Don't get me wrong, I love it, yeah,
But part of the reason I love it is how
terrifying it is. It can swallow you up and will
and a harpbeat, It can swallow you ships up and
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it will. To watch a friend go into the deep
like that and you just go immediately after him, and
that there's something inside of you that I want inside
of my sons, you know. I want to know what
I have to do as a father to raise sons
to be that kind of man. Now, I talk to
them about those stories, and maybe that's part of it.
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Maybe that's part of it, telling telling them about those
men and holding those men up in front of them
and showing them this is what you want to be.
That's what a man does. Maybe that's it. Maybe I
don't know what it is, but I want it for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what do you think is our largest societal or
cultural problem?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And do you think it's solvable?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Of course it's solvable. Well it is. This country moved
away from God. We moved totally away from God, and
we broke up the family because of it. The American family,
any well, any nation. Nations are built on families, not
not all the tranny craft or anything else. Men marrying women,
raising their children in a happy home home is what
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builds nations large and small.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It is.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It's what builds nations. When you break up the church,
which is wi happened in this country, and you move
away from God, then you'll move away from the family.
Now that the family's shattered, the nation itself gets shattered.
I mean, you look at a poll after poll after
poll of people who support the most despicable things in
this country, you know, chopping off a kid's penis or
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something like that. It's single women, it's not married women.
I love to give women a bunch of crap and
say they shouldn't have the right to vote.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But I'm joking about that. Married and women are great.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Single women are the beating heart of all this demonic
filth in this country. And we tell women they should
be single forever. Not that not that there's a problem
with being single, right, some people that's their life. But
as a whole, as a nation, you tell men that
women are crap, You tell the women that men are crap.
Now they're starting to go this way. They're going opposite directions.
They hate each other. People email me all the time, Jesse,
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I'm a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I can't find a man. Jesse, I'm a man. I
can't find a woman.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
So they're racing opposite direction now, and that's killing us.
It's killing us that they're racing opposite directions. We broke
up the American family and that's what's breaking up the country.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But you think it's solvable, I mean, I don't see
you as a big optimist, So just the fact that
you started with the fact that it is solvable is
surprising to me.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, God is God, isn't he? So what do we do.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Well, either we get back to that or it's not solvable.
There's not a second way. You know, there's not a
constitution that's going to save us. There's not an election
that's going to save us. We'll just elect this guy
and he'll fix it all without all that's all.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That's nonsense, All that's crap. That's not true.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
That there's no guy that's going to come in and
save the country and clean everything up and fix everything.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
That's a pipe dream. That's a cope, is what that is. For.
How bad things are.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We either choose to be more purposeful with our lives
and better with our lives, each and every one of us,
or we're finished. And tell people all the times they
want to get involved and they want to fix everything.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Jesse, how do I fix it? Jesse? How do I
fix us?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Are you raising your kids, you go into work, you're
teaching people values.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Then you're saving the country.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
These people, these salt of the earth people, the nuclear
family is what's holding this country together at all. Right now,
you're already doing it. Keep doing it and do more
of it. And people ask me if I have regrets
in life, and I have many, because I've screwed up
so many things in my life and done so many
horrible things. But one of my biggest regrets in life, honestly,
is I wish I'd had more kids. We had our
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first James, happy and healthy, and then we had a
miscarriage for the second one, and I know a lot
of people watching have gone through that, and it hurts, right,
it hurts real, real bad, real bad. We still talk
about it, still think about it. And then we had
our second Luke, happy and healthy, and we were so
relieved that we had a second, happy, healthy one that
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we just said, Okay, I can't do I can't risk
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm not going to risk it anymore. I'm done.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That's called a day, it's called to day. I wish
I'd had ten. That's how wonderful it is to be
a father, and how wonderful those boys are, and how
important it is for the country.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I agree, anybody listening and thinking about having another kid,
and if you have the time, do it, because I
think that's a common regret. We have three kids, I
wish we had had more. You know why stop?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Really?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I get the not wanting to tempt fate and.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
You're you know, you have two perfect children already and
you don't want to you know, you worry about having
loss but if you're listening and you're thinking about it,
you know, have more kids.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Jesse Kelly is not always right, but he's right about this.
So tell me your best tip for my listeners on
how they can improve their lives. I'm sure, Jesse Kelly,
you know lifestyle is for everyone, right.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Well, of course, yeah, no, I clearly have figured out
the superior way to live over everyone else. I will,
and all says, I will tell you this. You need
to cut someone off from your life. Everyone ever in
this namby Pamby world we have now everyone wants to
be nice to everyone and whatnot, and I see it
all around me. Women in particular struggle with this, but
I see dudes around it. People will allow people with
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others to stay in their lives. Who just bloodsuck you
of energy. That person who calls or texts you when
you look.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
And you go, oh gosh.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
That person needs to have their number blocked. You need
to stop interacting with soul sucking people.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Your life is a tree. This is how I describe it.
Plants trees.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
They grow better when the dead stuff gets cut off.
You need to be pruning your tree constantly. Have enough
confidence in yourself and value yourself enough to treat access
to you as if it's a privilege, which it is.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Nobody has a right to have access to you.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And when someone has violated their access to you, when
they violated your energy.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Your space, cut someone off.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
You don't have some obligation to have some weapons grade
turd in your life.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Cut them off and your life will be better. Trust me.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I think also blocking people on Twitter is a really
good idea for your sanity or on any social media really,
anybody who kind of makes you feel that a feeling
really no reason to have them around for them to
be able to do that to you.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Oh of course, if you look, if you're a net
negative on my life, which you brought up Twitter, you
brought up social media, that's most people because I don't
know them, right, I know you, right, so that's different.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But for most people I don't know you.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
You don't have to commit some horrible, egregious sin to
have me block you or cut you off.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You've never been a net positive for me at all.
If you bring even the tiniest amount of.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Net negative, God, because I don't know you, and you
know you should do the same to me right your time,
your energy is valuable.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Cut off turns.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I really like that, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That's, you know, a surprising twist in your personality, because
I feel like you come off as like I mean,
and you are, but like you know, somebody strong, good
deal with all you know, the slings and arrows.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But you're saying like, why should you have to?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, people will try to shame you in that too.
Well you can't take it? Well I can, but why
do I want to? You know, I can do a
lot of things. I can go sleep in the desert
for weeks at a time and suffer in the sand
and misery. But now that I'm not in the Marines anymore,
I'm not going to Why Because I don't have to anymore?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
That's it's not a strength contest. Cut toxic people out
of your life.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah. So I've loved talking to you, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Please say hello to your amazing wife for me, and
for my last question, I want to ask you, do
you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
No? No, I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I hope I never feel like that. Whenever you feel
like you've made it. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm
very very pleased with my life. I'm the most blessed
guy on the planet, and I don't deserve any of
these blessings. But I think the second you feel like
you've made it, you're going to start drowning. I don't
want to start drowning. I don't feel like i've made it.
I don't know what's next. I'm very happy with where
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I am. But no, I don't think that I would
ever say I've made it.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's for sure, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Thank you so much, Jesse, Thank you for coming on.
Love talking to you, you girl, Thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Last week, I read a note from a friend who
took some issue with my pro marriage perspective. Today, I'm
going to read a note from a listener that I
also want to explore. I'm going to cut out some
parts of the email where he gives identifying information. I
grew up reading the New York Post, and I started
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following your articles during the COVID period, where you seem
to be one of the only people making sense. I
also agree with all your other points on school choice,
merit based admissions, and anti.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Wokeness in general.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I started listening to your podcast and particularly enjoy the monologues,
and it was a very smart strategy to keep all
episodes under thirty minutes, which is perfect for a typical commute.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good job with that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One thing I don't agree with you on, however, is
your stance on marriage, especially for men. One thing that
also happened to me during the COVID years I got divorced.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It is tough for me to even type that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Word, not by my choice. With two kids in preschool.
I fully understand the point you and your guests keep
stressing that you are better off in life, especially financially,
if you follow the path of graduation, marriage, kids. That
is what I did For most people. That works. But
one thing you failed to mention is that if and
when it doesn't work, the family court laws are so
stacked against men that they can be near ruined financially,
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not to mention emotionally by the decisions of another that
they have absolutely no control of. This is doubly as
bad if you have kids, and triply as bad if
you were the sole source of income or if there
was a large income disparity. Yes, part of the answer
is to be more careful will you marry, But even so,
people can change their mind, especially after major life changes
such as having kids were relocating. The divorce courts don't
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really require a reason, but the higher earner, usually the man,
is still responsible for certain things financially, mainly child support,
even if he has fifty percent or more child placement,
or the woman gets remarried to someone wealthy. There are
no exceptions in that case. One partner can change their
mind and back out of a contract, essentially get rewarded
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for it, and then continue to get rewarded. Any system
that allows that to be the case is a broken
system and should not be recommended. The same topic has
come up in your Twitter comments before, so I know
I'm not the only guy that feels this way. I
wish this topic would be discussed more, especially as a
warning to young men. It's not about staying single forever
to party or sleep around. It's about protecting yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I do hear this perspective from men a lot, and
I want to talk about it. I'm not a lawyer,
and I admit this system does sound very broken. I
know there's also the child custody laws that very much
favor the women. I've heard this from men before. I
don't know the solution to fixing the courts, and obviously
each individual situation is different. By the way, If you
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do have a solution to fixing the courts, I'd love
to hear from you. I'd love to read more about it.
If you've got something to tell me, email me or
tweet at me. But when I talk about marriage being
a good thing, I'm obviously talking in broader strokes. I'm
very sorry you're marriage didn't work out, and I really
understand the pain when you did all you could to
make it work. My question here would be what will
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you tell your own kids? Will you tell them to
spend their lives alone and not get married.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Not have children.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yes, the marriage contract comes with risks, but it also
comes with a lot of rewards that I have outlined
in previous columns and on this show. It's not perfect.
There is no perfect. I want people to know that
I hear them. I know it's not easy, and we're
all trying to move towards something better. I'm going to
be thinking about this whether men get a bad bargain
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in marriage despite all the obvious benefits, and I'll try
to address it in future episodes. Coming up next and
interview with Jesse Kelly. Join us after the break.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Jesse Kelly, host of The Jesse Kelly
Show and author of the best selling book The Anti
Communist Manifesto.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Hi Jesse, Hi Carol.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yes, it was an incredible book, if I say so myself,
and I know.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You do say so yourself, so I wanted to say
it for you.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Thanks, Carol, Thanks, I appreciate you. I appreciate it. It's
just the best seller. No big deal.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I don't want to brag, you know, no big deal.
I thought it was really good. I thought it was
a very well done book. And you know, some humble
Jesse kellyness came through in every page, and I think
that's what it's really all about.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, I'm all about humility, Carol. I try to make
sure that I lead with my humility, which is incredible.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
So I know who you are and I know what
you do. But to tell my listeners about you, I
know our mutual friend Michael Berry, who, by the way,
is way too busy to come on my show, so
we had to settle for you played some.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Role in getting you involved in radio.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Tell us how it happened, he did.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
He played a big role. So I don't traditionally do
media like I'm not a media person. I've lived a
very normal life like everyone else. We're construction. I came
up in a construction family, marines. I've washed dishes, you know.
And before I was doing this, I was selling RV's,
which is a job I found on Craigslist. I had
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moved to Texas. I was out of work. This is
like ten years ago. I was out of work. I
couldn't find a job on Craigslist. I found an ad
for RV salesman. I went and showed up at the
interview and got the job. I'd be pretty good at it,
So I was selling arms. I was good at it, Yeah,
I was. I was surprised to I never sold anything.
But the job eventually took me down to Houston, Texas
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to be the sales manager at some store down here
in Houston. And I was getting I was still active
every now and then. I love politics, right, I was
always paying attention. But I was putting some things online.
And Michael Berry is a huge nationally syndicated conservative talk
guy from Houston.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I did not know him.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I did not know at the time, but he saw
something I'd put out on Twitter actually, and had his
people send me a message, say, hey, you want to
come on my show do a radio hit, just talk
about and I forget even what it was about. Sure
I go on a show, it goes well. I mean,
I've done a bunch of radio and TV. Because I'd
run for Congress, I guess I should have put that
in there.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'd run for.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Congress twice in Arizona, and he's got mad and ran
for office. I do stupid impulsive things all the time.
I won the primary twice, lost the general election twice. Anyway, Well,
I go on Barry's show and I'd done radio, and
I was in my RV lot, actually in the sales room.
I'm doing a radio hit. I hang up the phone.
Don't think of it. I go back selling our vs.
That night, I'm heading home. I'm in the mood for
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something pretty classy. So I go to Taco Bell and
I'm sitting there and Taco Bell's driving.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
What's your order?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I talk about.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Okay, I have the best order. So everyone needs to
pay attention here. First of all, two orders of nachos
every time, just the chips and cheese. You don't have
to go Bell Grande or something like that. Two orders
of nachos every time. Get a beef casadilla with extra
jalapeno sauce.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That's an option. A lot of people don't know that's
an option.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
That's an option, beef, extra halipedo sauce. And then you
get the cheesy gordy to crunch with no lettuce. I'm
not ordering a salad, and actually a spicy ranch. No
let us extra spicy ranch. A bunch of Diablo sauce,
mountain dew. That's as good as he gets.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So I've never had Taco Bell, so I'm going to
completely disregard that. I'm going to completely disregard that order,
but I am planning to have it soon.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I'm going to disregard that order and just get whatever
I want. But I wanted to, you know, I wanted
to hear what it was.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Hold on, you've never been to Taco.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
We've never had Taco Bell.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's my husband's favorite fast food, and yet he has
it like whenever I'm out of town and I have
never had it.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So shame on you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Shame Okay, back to the story.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Back to the story.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
You're getting some ridiculous order with extra jolopano sauce, and then.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Taco Bells drive through about to order the best order ever.
As I do, as the menu whisper and my cell
phone rings and it's Michael Berry.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Okay, I answered the phone. He loves the radio hit.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
We just started talking about politics and life and everything else.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I ended up getting to know him. We end up
hanging out a bunch.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
He owned a big honkey tonk bar here in Houston
and I go up and we'd have bourbon, we'd sit
out and we'd hang out with me and all his
friends and whatnot. After a while, he said to me, Hey,
I think if you want a career in media, you
could be really special at it. Well, you know, I
love flattery, Carol.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Of course, so went right for it. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Well, and I was getting tired of selling RBS. I
was just getting tired of that. It was a great job.
I'm not complaining about it at all. It fed my
family for years, but I was getting old and so
that he said that, and it kind of sparked something
to me. I said, Okay, I quit my job without
a job, and I started putting out stupid YouTube videos
called Jesse Kelly Brief. You can go see them still
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to this day on YouTube. They're a two minute long videos.
It was a concept, Michael, when I came up with.
They ended up getting noticed by the right people, and
I got a one hour at night radio show here
in Houston on the local station and seven to eight
at night.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, no one's even listening, and it killed and
they made it popular time.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, no one's listening, right, no one's even there. No
one's driving. It's horrible and it killed. So they moved
me to two hours at evening drive and it killed.
And then a small national syndication company, smaller called Key Networks.
They listened and they love it, and they called. This
is like three years ago. They called, and they syndicated
the thing Nashally in like ten or twelve cities. And
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then Rush passed away. Buck Sexton moved from the evening
slot Premiere Networks. iHeart you know, the biggest syndicator.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
They had been listening and I didn't know. You never
know who's listening, right, I had been listening and they
loved it. And this is two and a half years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Two and a.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Half years ago they called and said, you want to
do evening drive on the biggest syndicator in the country.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And here I am.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I can't believe it's only been two and a half years.
You're like, you know, pretty famous.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, I'm huge.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I'm a major celebrity obviously. No and no, And now
I do TV too. I have a TV show on
the first TV And I had this book which I
can't believe that was good, to be honest, honestly, everything
else aside. I really am surprised that all this worked.
You know, when I quit my job, we were running
out of money quickly and things were what didn't look
like anything was going to work. I was gonna have
to go back and sell our vs, right, and it
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all worked. I just can't believe it works. So here
I am.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I get to talk to Carol market Witz.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So A question that I asked people is if you
weren't doing this, what would be the plan B?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
But this sort of is the plan B.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
This was the you know, I guess if you weren't
a radio personality, would you go back to selling RVs?
Is that what the plan be of life would be?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
You do, Carol?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I wish I actually had a better answer for this,
because I don't know. I always did what I had
to do to pay my bills and feed my family
and get by. You know, I always thought I was
going to work construction my whole life, like my dad did,
like his dad did. And then I ran for office
a couple of times. I never knew I was going
to do that. Again, I make stupid, impulsive decisions. I
didn't know I was going to do that. I didn't
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know I was going to find a job on Craigslist.
I don't know what I would do.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
And look, I'll probably get fired for saying something offensive
at some point, so I'll probably have to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right, I think you just start thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I just I never thought about it.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
But I never felt I never felt settled with whatever
I was doing until I started doing this. You know,
I hear doing the job. It's not an important job, right,
I do radio on TV. I don't have an important job.
I'm not a celebrity.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
But the fact that the show means something to people
means everything to me. Email me had just got out
of federal prison. I have a lot of prisoners who
listened to the show stay federal prison. And he had
cleaned his life up and he's turned his life around.
And he emailed in and like gave me credit for that,
which I don't deserve any credit for that.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But I love that knowing that that means something. You know.
I listened with my kids every day on the way
to school, and they love it. That makes my life.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's better than the paychecks, better than anything else. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That is awesome.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Does he pursue a Jesse Kelly approved life afterwards?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I hope so?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, he needs to have a better life than I do.
I certainly don't follow my example, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So you mentioned your family, and I've met your wife.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
She is gorgeous and brilliant and adorable and sweet and like.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Just such a good person. So like, how how did
you do this? How did you hand her?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Tell us?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, two things, Carol.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
One, you women can deny this all you want, but
women love jerks.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
They just do. I wish.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But you're not a jerk to her.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That's the thing, right, You are not a joke to her.
You are a tamed puppy when you're around.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, not a jerk to her, No, definitely not.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But also she hates sissies like guys she can push around.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
She she depuises it.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
And according to her, I'm the first guy she ever
days that wasn't like that. You know, I'm just just
them not that way, because my dad was not that way.
And the fact that I'm six ' eight helps to
don't lie, Carol.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, it's a bit much. I mean, it's too much.
Let's be honest. It's too much. I'm happy.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I'm grateful that God maybe six eight, but if I
could have stopped at you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Know, six ' four, I probably would have. I'm in
the You have.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
To buy first class plane tickets realm. Otherwise you can't fly,
and that gets really expensive. I have to special order pants.
I can't just walk in JC Penny and grab a
pair of jeans. I have to find some tall website.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And order them there.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
There are certainly inconveniences with it. I hit my head
all the time, probably why I'm going bald.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, that's probably it.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, so you tweeted something really interesting like a month
or so ago, and I tried to find it. You
delete your tweets, right, Is that the the auto delete or.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Something auto delete everything auto deletes after a week or
something like that.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, you're really really worrying about that. Can't being canceled thing?
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Huh No, No, I don't. I like to keep it fresh.
It's not a canceled thing. Everyone just saves all my
tweets anyway. It's not all the people who want to
cancel me and just save them all anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Wouldn't do any good.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
I like to keep everything fresh all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I enjoyed. It makes me. I think it helps me
be more creative for the more.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. I like to look
back at what I tweeted, like ten years ago and
be like, look, I was right.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But that's another story.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
But so about a month ago, maybe you tweeted this
thing and I could get the details wrong because I
don't have the tweet. But it was a navy seal
I believe ended up in the water in the ocean
and his buddy, another Navy seal, jumped in after him.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Is that the correct stories.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That that is the correct seat.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You tweeted?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Like, how do we raise our sons to be the
kind of men that would just jump into the water
and save their friend. Couple of things about this one.
This is probably where men and women are different, because
my first instinct is like, please don't jump into that water,
like please just save yourself, Like I can't not have
you come home. And but on the other hand, I
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understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You want to raise the.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Kind of men that will jump in the water and
save their friend or try to. And of course the
sad story here is that they both died.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So how do we do that? How do we raise
those men?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Carol? I don't know, but I want to know, right,
I don't know. And you know, look, if one of.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
My sons died, I would just diet, would just break
and I would die.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
So it's not like I want my kids to dive
into the ocean. But a good life is better than
a long life, right. And to watch a friend go
into the scariest place on earth, the open ocean, which
I love. Don't get me wrong, I love it, yeah,
But part of the reason I love it is how
terrifying it is. It can swallow you up and will
and a harpbeat, It can swallow you ships up and
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it will. To watch a friend go into the deep
like that and you just go immediately after him, and
that there's something inside of you that I want inside
of my sons, you know. I want to know what
I have to do as a father to raise sons
to be that kind of man. Now, I talk to
them about those stories, and maybe that's part of it.
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Maybe that's part of it, telling telling them about those
men and holding those men up in front of them
and showing them this is what you want to be.
That's what a man does. Maybe that's it. Maybe I
don't know what it is, but I want it for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what do you think is our largest societal or
cultural problem?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And do you think it's solvable?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Of course it's solvable. Well it is. This country moved
away from God. We moved totally away from God, and
we broke up the family because of it. The American family,
any well, any nation. Nations are built on families, not
not all the tranny craft or anything else. Men marrying women,
raising their children in a happy home home is what
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builds nations large and small.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
It is.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It's what builds nations. When you break up the church,
which is wi happened in this country, and you move
away from God, then you'll move away from the family.
Now that the family's shattered, the nation itself gets shattered.
I mean, you look at a poll after poll after
poll of people who support the most despicable things in
this country, you know, chopping off a kid's penis or
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something like that. It's single women, it's not married women.
I love to give women a bunch of crap and
say they shouldn't have the right to vote.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But I'm joking about that. Married and women are great.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Single women are the beating heart of all this demonic
filth in this country. And we tell women they should
be single forever. Not that not that there's a problem
with being single, right, some people that's their life. But
as a whole, as a nation, you tell men that
women are crap, You tell the women that men are crap.
Now they're starting to go this way. They're going opposite directions.
They hate each other. People email me all the time, Jesse,
(17:54):
I'm a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I can't find a man. Jesse, I'm a man. I
can't find a woman.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
So they're racing opposite direction now, and that's killing us.
It's killing us that they're racing opposite directions. We broke
up the American family and that's what's breaking up the country.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But you think it's solvable, I mean, I don't see
you as a big optimist, So just the fact that
you started with the fact that it is solvable is
surprising to me.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, God is God, isn't he? So what do we do.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Well, either we get back to that or it's not solvable.
There's not a second way. You know, there's not a
constitution that's going to save us. There's not an election
that's going to save us. We'll just elect this guy
and he'll fix it all without all that's all.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That's nonsense, All that's crap. That's not true.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
That there's no guy that's going to come in and
save the country and clean everything up and fix everything.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
That's a pipe dream. That's a cope, is what that is. For.
How bad things are.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We either choose to be more purposeful with our lives
and better with our lives, each and every one of us,
or we're finished. And tell people all the times they
want to get involved and they want to fix everything.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Jesse, how do I fix it? Jesse? How do I
fix us?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Are you raising your kids, you go into work, you're
teaching people values.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Then you're saving the country.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
These people, these salt of the earth people, the nuclear
family is what's holding this country together at all. Right now,
you're already doing it. Keep doing it and do more
of it. And people ask me if I have regrets
in life, and I have many, because I've screwed up
so many things in my life and done so many
horrible things. But one of my biggest regrets in life, honestly,
is I wish I'd had more kids. We had our
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first James, happy and healthy, and then we had a
miscarriage for the second one, and I know a lot
of people watching have gone through that, and it hurts, right,
it hurts real, real bad, real bad. We still talk
about it, still think about it. And then we had
our second Luke, happy and healthy, and we were so
relieved that we had a second, happy, healthy one that
(19:47):
we just said, Okay, I can't do I can't risk
it anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm not going to risk it anymore. I'm done.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That's called a day, it's called to day. I wish
I'd had ten. That's how wonderful it is to be
a father, and how wonderful those boys are, and how
important it is for the country.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I agree, anybody listening and thinking about having another kid,
and if you have the time, do it, because I
think that's a common regret. We have three kids, I
wish we had had more. You know why stop?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Really?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I get the not wanting to tempt fate and.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
You're you know, you have two perfect children already and
you don't want to you know, you worry about having
loss but if you're listening and you're thinking about it,
you know, have more kids.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Jesse Kelly is not always right, but he's right about this.
So tell me your best tip for my listeners on
how they can improve their lives. I'm sure, Jesse Kelly,
you know lifestyle is for everyone, right.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Well, of course, yeah, no, I clearly have figured out
the superior way to live over everyone else. I will,
and all says, I will tell you this. You need
to cut someone off from your life. Everyone ever in
this namby Pamby world we have now everyone wants to
be nice to everyone and whatnot, and I see it
all around me. Women in particular struggle with this, but
I see dudes around it. People will allow people with
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others to stay in their lives. Who just bloodsuck you
of energy. That person who calls or texts you when
you look.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
And you go, oh gosh.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
That person needs to have their number blocked. You need
to stop interacting with soul sucking people.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Your life is a tree. This is how I describe it.
Plants trees.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
They grow better when the dead stuff gets cut off.
You need to be pruning your tree constantly. Have enough
confidence in yourself and value yourself enough to treat access
to you as if it's a privilege, which it is.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Nobody has a right to have access to you.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And when someone has violated their access to you, when
they violated your energy.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Your space, cut someone off.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
You don't have some obligation to have some weapons grade
turd in your life.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Cut them off and your life will be better. Trust me.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
I think also blocking people on Twitter is a really
good idea for your sanity or on any social media really,
anybody who kind of makes you feel that a feeling
really no reason to have them around for them to
be able to do that to you.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Oh of course, if you look, if you're a net
negative on my life, which you brought up Twitter, you
brought up social media, that's most people because I don't
know them, right, I know you, right, so that's different.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But for most people I don't know you.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
You don't have to commit some horrible, egregious sin to
have me block you or cut you off.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You've never been a net positive for me at all.
If you bring even the tiniest amount of.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Net negative, God, because I don't know you, and you
know you should do the same to me right your time,
your energy is valuable.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Cut off turns.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I really like that, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That's, you know, a surprising twist in your personality, because
I feel like you come off as like I mean,
and you are, but like you know, somebody strong, good
deal with all you know, the slings and arrows.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But you're saying like, why should you have to?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, people will try to shame you in that too.
Well you can't take it? Well I can, but why
do I want to? You know, I can do a
lot of things. I can go sleep in the desert
for weeks at a time and suffer in the sand
and misery. But now that I'm not in the Marines anymore,
I'm not going to Why Because I don't have to anymore?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
That's it's not a strength contest. Cut toxic people out
of your life.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah. So I've loved talking to you, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Please say hello to your amazing wife for me, and
for my last question, I want to ask you, do
you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
No? No, I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I hope I never feel like that. Whenever you feel
like you've made it. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm
very very pleased with my life. I'm the most blessed
guy on the planet, and I don't deserve any of
these blessings. But I think the second you feel like
you've made it, you're going to start drowning. I don't
want to start drowning. I don't feel like i've made it.
I don't know what's next. I'm very happy with where
(24:11):
I am. But no, I don't think that I would
ever say I've made it.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
That's for sure, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Thank you so much, Jesse, Thank you for coming on.
Love talking to you, you girl, Thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
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