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July 2, 2025 14 mins

In this episode, Jason Chaffetz discusses his book 'They're Coming for You,' which explores the alarming extent of data collection by the government and corporations. He highlights the dangers of losing privacy and the implications of data brokerage, especially for future generations. Chaffetz emphasizes the need for awareness and action to protect personal data and the importance of community connections in a digital age. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Jason Chankits, an American politician and
Fox News contributor and the author of the new book
They're Coming for You, How deep state spies, NGOs and
woke corporations plan to push you out of the economy. Jason,
so nice to have you on.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
That is a terrifying title. And why do you want
us not to sleep at night?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Who are they? And should people be concerned?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
If you saw recently, you saw that Doge really uncovered
all the money, the waste, the fraud, the abuse, the
hundreds of billions of dollars a taxpayer money was going
out the door. But this book lays out there and
examines and reveals is how much data.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's the data side of the equation.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Most people, I think, understand that they're going to trade
a little bit of their privacy of ways to increase
their convenience so they can find their local coffee shop easier,
that sort of thing. What they don't understand is how
pervasive it is in understanding everything about you. Facial recognition,
your hair color, your propensity, your sexual preferences. All of

(01:17):
these things are now being collected by the government, sold
by the government, and used by the government that they
would never be able to use otherwise. And that's what's scary,
and you have to be worried about it. And you
combine that with artificial intelligence and the deep fakes and
where we're going. It is a scary world. But there's

(01:41):
there are blueprints out there to see where this is going.
You think of China, I think of other places. A
lot of people they wanted to be debanked, they wanted
to be pushed out of the economy, and that's what's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Does the average person understand what's coming or do you
think that it's still so far away from you know,
normal life that it's hard to convey to people that
they should be worried about this threat.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, what I worry about is that the data that's
not a genie that's easy to be put.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Back in the bottle.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
And what I really worry about are these young kids
that are growing up. You know, I'm a little bit
older now, but they're growing up in an atmosphere where
everything is captured. But what really bothers me is how
Our government is dealing with this because, for instance, law
enforcement would have to have probable cause or articulable suspicion

(02:35):
or have to get a warrant in order to do
things in order to profile you and track you and
understand who you are and what you're doing. But in
order to get around that, they just sell data and
then they buy it from a data broker, and then
once they buy it from a data broker, they feel
like they don't need a warrant in order to track you.
And you think, well, wait, I haven't done anything wrong.

(02:57):
I lead a clean life, you know, but what's happening?
Even literally in the last forty eight hours, the Federal
Reserve has said that there they do bank exams and
they used to require banks to minimize reputational risk. And
what that meant in the Federal for banking is if

(03:19):
you do business with people who shop at Cabela's, who
buy maybe a Trump hat, maybe they went out and
they went to a rally, then you should be tracked
and you should not allow to be to have a
banking relationship, or you should pay right, or you should
if you went to Cabella's and bought a gun, that's

(03:42):
legally and lawfully allowed. You can only have a certain
percentage of those people in your banking PFOILO portfolio. So
like they didn't like meat and poultry, and so the
meat and poultry producers of this country, they were being debanked.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
They couldn't use them banking system.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Malania and Baron Trump were pushed out of the banking system.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
So it's pretty scary what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
You were in the US House Representatives for almost a decade.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Is there anything that Congress can do to stop this?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, absolutely, because first of all, the best disinfectant is
to expose it. And Donald Trump has done a masterful
job of starting to tear this down. I think there's
a reason why, literally the Federal Reserve just got rid
of this requirement.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
But we have to know about this.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
For instance, in the state of Florida, when you're sixteen
year old, maybe you have a sixteen year old daughter
went and got a driver's license for the first time.
Did the people know that when she got that driver's license,
she put in her height, her weight, her hair color,
took a picture of her that the state of Florida
sold that information. They actually profited for You paid to

(04:54):
get the driver's license. Then they sold it. Well, it's
things like this get exposed. People say, wait, what who
did you sell it to? And did you know that
there's a company out there, for instance, called Clearview AI.
I'm not saying they did anything illegal, but they have
billions of photos. So when you walk down the street,

(05:16):
or you walk into a shop, or you post something
on Instagram or Snapchat, or or maybe you just you know,
post a profile picture on Facebook, did you know that's
all being what they call scraped and built into a profile.
And then maybe when you get in your car and
you start driving, they're gonna they're going to gauge your speed,

(05:37):
how often you look into the rear view mirror, what speed?
These are rolling computers. These we detail how the car
companies they sell this information. You know, who wants to
buy insurance companies? Right, that's how they But you don't.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Give permission to do that, did you?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
But once you know all this stuff, then you start
to open your eyes and say, wait a second, this
is not who we are. So I think Congress has
to understand it, and then they're going to have to
put some guardrails on.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well as somebody who has a fifteen year old daughter
who did just get her learner's permit in the state
of Florida. It makes me feel kind of helpless that
this goes on and I can't do anything about it.
Is there anything we can do on a state level?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, you have to expose it.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And I think Florida ultimately or has done the right
the right thing. Most people don't understand that about half
of our states.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
They also trade all this information to the FBI.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
So you're suddenly in a database and you just think,
well why, and then you think, well, wait, they haven't
been able to keep this data clean, right, Yeah, they
haven't been able to protect it. So the amount of
data that's out there is so massive and so big,
and there's really no way to pull it back. And

(06:59):
think of it this way, the government knows almost everything
about us, and we know very little about the government.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's so upside down. Right, we're supposed to be the
private citizens, they're supposed to be the public. But it's
the opposite, and that's what's wrong.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
That's why I wrote the book They're Coming for You,
because they are going to use it to manipulate you.
And we talk about how they use it to manipulate elections,
voter turnout all of these things. Who gets benefits who doesn't?
Who gets to go banking, who doesn't, We get to
see what material who doesn't.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcoit Show. Were there any prizes
in writing they're coming for you?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Did you find anything you didn't expect to find?

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Big the data brokerage business is and how pervasive and
incestuous it is with our federal government.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Days after Joe Biden.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Took office, he signed this like five hundred thousand dollars
contract with Clearview AI. Well, why why was that such
an importance of the White House to have this contract
to have all this facial recognition? Because they wanted to
get a picture of everybody that was going to a
Trump rally, everybody that showed up on you know, at
certain places, everybody unbelievable. And that's where it started, really

(08:11):
in the Obama administration where they operation choke Point, that's
what they called it. They thought they could choke off
guns in this country by not allowing people to own
guns or wanted to buy ammunition, from being able to
have a banking relationship so that really shocked me.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
That it's best I can tell.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's about a three hundred and fifty billion dollar industry
on data brokerages, and that's that's growing exponentially.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Did you enjoy your time in the House?

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Your handle on Twitter X is Jason in the House.
I always still think of you as in the House.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
But that's because nobody can pronounce chafits right. So you know,
I love I love policy. I love digging my fingernail
deep into public policy and exposing because what I find
is most people are like, wait, what, Yeah, we would

(09:09):
never have done it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And I love that part of it.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Right, But maybe actually you're being even more effective on
the outside by writing books like this, because you know,
Congress is a little slow to action a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, you think, yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
They do, they don't really move that quickly. But you
know your.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Book, they're coming for you. There's really no way to
misunderstand it or to not want to take action once
you read it. Do you feel like that's true?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, Look, we have four hundred and fifty references. It
took me here and a half plus to put all
this together.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
And then the other thing is people with kids. If
you want to understand, like how the big movie studios
manipulate your kids. How how in California in particular, they
hand out free computers. Oh look, how good we are.
We're so nice. We hand out all these computers. That's
how they can monitor you twenty four to seven. And

(10:04):
they are they're taking that data and then they're selling it.
That's what's crazy about it. They're monetizing it and selling it.
And it just makes me mad. And this is the
best way I can find to kind of put it
all together. So somebody can either listen to the audiobook
or read it for themselves and say, I've got to
do something about that. I got to make sure my

(10:25):
local city doesn't do this or my state doesn't do that.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
So a question that I ask all of my guests
is what do you worry about?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Is it this? This? This? Really? Is I think this generation.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I have six grandkids at this point, my wife blessed, Yes,
they're blessed.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
We've got three kid.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, we had six grade and I look at those
little kids and we're taking videos and pictures, and you know,
because the phone is so great.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I can always capture it. But they're going to grow
up in a world that's so weird, right.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Artificial intelligence, deep fake, And I just I worry about
how bizarre the world's going to get the next really
in the short while, next five to ten years, it's
really going to be a very different place, and not
when we're going to want to live in if we're
not careful.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
But I wonder if they're going to see it as weird.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
My kids already, you know, just their technological use is
so different from mine.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Will they see all of this is odd?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Or will they be able to spot, for example, deep
fakes very easily.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
It's just there. It's just their way they're going to
grow up. But what are they going to do for jobs?
That's a whole nother. Yeah, we're going to have three
and a half year old granddaughter. She knows how to
grab her mom's phone, hit the four buttons and then
hit FaceTime video wow. And once a day I'll get
a call and I just know that that little girl

(11:49):
is going to be calling me, and of course I'm
going to answer it. But yeah, let me think how
how that's just how she's grown up.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
What advice would you give your sixteen year old self
having to you know, kind of think about doing it
all over again.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Well, if I was living right now, i'd say put
down the phone and have those experiences. And my sixteen
year old self, who didn't have mobile phones when he
was growing up, right it didn't have I just cherished
those outdoor get out there, go do whatever, be safe,
be smart. But I felt like I tried a lot

(12:26):
of things. I would have tried even more, things like
I wish I had done more surfing.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I wish I had learned how to golf. I wish
I had done.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Like there's so many but the things that I did
try they changed my life. And I would just I
would turn up the volume on that if you will
to do even more.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I really feel like people are living too much online
and on the screens.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's it's you know, this.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Is a show about largely about living better and improving
your life, and it's one of the things people say
all the time, I wish I could put down my phone,
I wish I could get off the screens, and then
they don't do it.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think that's really a.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Good lesson for people. Well, I love this conversation. The
book is called They're Coming for you. You can buy
it anywhere books are sold. Jason end us here with
your best tip from my listeners on how they can
improve their lives.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Love your neighbor, love yourself, and love your love your family.
It's okay to just pick up the phone or go
drop by and do the old fashioned thing and knock
on their door. And when you walk by your neighbor,
you know, say hello. It just makes a world of difference.
And I just being sincere in your heart, I just
I think that's I saw a neighbor the other day and.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Seen it in a while and it was just great.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
And it's because I stopped and paused. And I don't
regret those ten minutes at all. In fact, I cherished them.
And I think we need we as a community, as
a people, as a nation, we just.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Need to do more of that.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I love that he is.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Jason Schaefits by their coming for you everywhere books are sold.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
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