December 27, 2024 • 28 mins
In this episode, Scott Jennings, a senior political commentator at CNN, shares his journey from a childhood interest in politics to becoming a prominent voice in media. He discusses his experiences working on the George W. Bush campaign, the importance of maintaining positivity in political discourse, and the challenges of representing conservative views in a polarized environment. Jennings emphasizes the need for clarity in language and truth in political discussions, expressing concerns about the future of Western civilization and the representation of rural Americans in media. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, and welcome back to The Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
The Carol Markowitz Show now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so
you can get this non political podcast, The Carol Markowitz
Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political
podcast I co host with Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday
and Thursday. The only day you don't get me is Mondays.
(00:25):
This is my final episode of twenty twenty four, and
I'll keep the monologue short. The new year is always
a good time to take stock and think about things
you can do better. I know I definitely do that.
If you've listened to me for a while, you know
the things I strive to do better in my own
life include reading more fiction books, spending less time online,
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cultivating more friendships, considering working out someday, the usual. We've
gotten so many great pieces of advice from guests this year,
and a lot of them are on these same themes,
because it turns out that better living isn't much of
a mystery. It's doing a few things for yourself that
will improve your life. I got this note a few
(01:12):
months ago that has stayed with me, and I wanted
to talk about it. On this year end episode because
I wasn't really sure how to answer it. Hi, Carol,
loved the show. I'm one of those people who can't
get over the COVID years. I'm still angry about what
was done to us. How do you let go of
that anger? Haha? How do I let go of that anger?
(01:35):
I haven't, It's still just under the surface. Honestly, I
feel a lot better since we moved to Florida nearly
three years ago now, but I had to change my
whole life to give my kids what I would consider
a normal life. I'm so happy here, I'm so grateful.
I drive around smiling, but I am still bitter that
(01:58):
I was forced to leave the life that I thought
i'd live. A theme in a lot of the notes
and comments I got this year are people struggling for
a sense of control. The last few years have seemed
very out of control, the pandemic time specifically, and people
are trying to get a handle on their lives again.
(02:19):
I'll tell you, I've seen optimism since the election, and
I love it. I also feel optimistic, but of course,
it's going to take more than one presidential election to
turn things around, especially in your own life. I would
say that step one is getting that sense of control,
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and we have to accept that it will take some time.
Step two a little harder, it's growing from the experience. Look,
I'm still angry too. I get you, but I think
about all the things that I'll never fall for again.
Think about how much or you must see the world
(03:02):
after kind of going through an experience like that. Focus
on the positive, and hey, maybe in the next year
we'll talk more about how to get over things. I'd
love to learn how I've loved our conversations on the
Carol Marcowitz Show so much, and I particularly love these
notes and these comments. I love hearing from listeners. I
(03:22):
love hearing who you are and what you worry about.
Drop me an email anytime, Carol Markowitz Show at gmail
dot com. It's Ka R O L M A. R.
Kowi Cias and Charlie Zias and Zebra's Show at gmail
dot com. Thanks for listening. Coming up my interview with
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Speaker 2 (05:07):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Scott Jennings. Scott is a senior political
commentator at CNN and partner at run Switch Public Relations
in Kentucky. Hi, Scott, so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Loved love this opportunity. I'm a huge fan of yours
and was flattered that you asked. Thank you man.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm a huge fan of yours and so excited that
you're here. So this is a show about living better,
improving your life, but also about how you got to
where you are. So I have to ask, when you
were a little boy, did you dream of being in
a five against one situation every night on TV where
everybody's yelling at you.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I did, but I thought it would be in professional wrestling,
not in a political punditry. There's not a huge menage. Yeah.
I mean, I've got my Hulkamania shirt on. You know, wrestling.
When I was a kid, I loved wrestling, but I
was you know, Hulk Cogan was my hero, but I
was always a little drawn to the heels and the
wrestling promotions. You know, I love the iron chic. Yeah,
(06:04):
he was one of Hulkogan's greatest pose. You know, these
people who really in the business, they call it bring
in the heat like they generate heat. And so now
here I am later in life generating heat on CNN
and similar kinds of battle Royals. No, when I was
a kid, I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
You know, my grandfather actually and my father were Democrats,
(06:26):
and my grandfather was a Democrat elected official, So I
had some attraction to politics as a kid. I sort
of became a Republican in high school when Newt Gingrich
became Speaker of the House. I felt close to the Republicans.
I liked what they were saying, and I voted in
the nineteen ninety six Republican presidential primary, which caused a
great stir in Dawson Springs, Kentucky, where I'm from, among
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all the people there, because back in those days it
was a Democrat territory down there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
They knew you voted in the Republican primary.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, it's a it's a closed primary. And so when
you go down to vote in one of our three
precinct there's lists and so they've got a big book
of Democrats and one sheet of Republicans. And that lady
who has taking the names, she said, does your grandfather
know what you've done? That? I said, you're not supposed
to intimidate people at the polls, you know, like that's
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that's long since been outlawed. But anyway, you know, I
wasn't sure what to do. I happened up on a
scholarship program at the University of Louisville called the McConnell
scholars started by Mitch McConnell. He doesn't pick the scholars
and he doesn't run the program, but he raised all
this money to have a scholarship program for high school
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students in Kentucky full ride at the University of Louisville.
They picked ten kids a year, and they picked kids
who were kind of interested in public service. And so
that's how I got into college. I mean, I'm my
dad was a garbage man and a factory worker. I
didn't have anything, and so getting this scholarship and then
being oriented towards public service and public affairs, it's kind of,
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you know, it's kind of how I got the ball rolling.
And then when I was in college, I was a reporter.
I was a news anchor and a reporter for WHAS
Radio in Louisville, Kentucky for four years. I spent more
time in the radio booth than I did in the classroom.
Apologies to my professors who passed me in. But and
so if there was a period, Carol, I thought I
was going to be a journalist, right, and then then
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the two thousand campaign came along.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And then you joined the George W. Bush campaign then,
And to tell you about that, how was it?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It was an amazing experience. I was in the news business
and really had a great experience. You make no money
in radio, but it is fun and I loved it.
But in two thousand, as I was preparing to graduate
from Louisville, Mitch McConnell actually called me one day. Had
struck up a relationship with him throughout my college time,
and he said something I'll never forget, which was, when
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are you going to get off the sidelines and get
into the game. And you know, he was recruiting, Well,
I've got to believe me, I could do the whole
show this way. But he he was recruiting me to
work in politics. And I hadn't really thought of it
because I really was sort of focused on journalism and broadcasting.
(09:11):
But you know, it was too good of an opportunity
to pass up. So I went to work on a
presidential campaign for George W. Bush. I was on the
campaign in Kentucky and then we spent a little time
in West Virginia. At the end of that campaign, people
forget Kentucky and West Virginia. In that area, it was
still Democrat territory. In fact, Bill Clinton won Kentucky twice
and no Republican had won West Virginia and I don't
(09:32):
know how long. And so that's how I got into it.
And that presidential campaign was magical because we won. And
you know, obviously the aftermath of two thousand and living
through that whole period, I worked on the presidential inaugural committee.
I was on the opening ceremonies, which was at the
Lincoln Memorial, and I had one important task. I had
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to find every porta potty on the Eastern seaboard when
I have it shipped to the Lincoln Memorial. It took
me a full thirty days to pull off. For twenty days,
I guess that is. And yes, I still to this
day believe that had I not done my job, this
would have been a disaster of an inn autural. But
there are plenty of places to go.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I think you did a fantastic job because we
hadn't heard anything about the lack of porto potties at
that inauguration. But so you're such a happy warrior. You're
just always in such a like, you know, it appears
to be a really good mood, even though again everyone's
yelling at you and you're arguing. How do you maintain that?
How do you stay kind of happy?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I well, I tell people that in this job, you
can't take any of it personally, and you have to
also understand people. And I'm like this too. You know,
I also have an emotional attachment to what I think
is best for the country, but you can't let that
affect how you converse with or treat other people. And
(10:56):
you do see people sometimes in these debates get over
here and look, I'm guilty of it. You know, There's
been a time or two where I've gotten a little
unhappy with the way somebody approached me on an issue,
or you know, my least favorite thing is when you
say something factually correct, or you say something where you
have an opinion that is fully grounded in facts, and
(11:17):
the immediate RTORI is, oh, you're just lying or Scott
doesn't tell the truth. When you know that you are,
and it, so I don't mind to be disagreed with.
What I don't like is to have my name dismerged
by calling me a liar. I'm not a liar. I
approach this job like a journalist. I don't tend to
dealing things that I don't believe affect factual statements and
honest statements. But I just I just try to remember,
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don't take it personally. And I put myself in the
position of the audience. If I were watching two people
debate an issue, would I rather watch two people scream
at each other who hate each other, or do? I
want to believe that it's possible for people with differing
ideas to have civil discourse, maybe a little humorous, and
you can laugh at yourself a little bit, and not
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ultimately take it so personally that it sort of destroys
the conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So one of the things you get a lot of
credit for is for having these conversations with people on
the left. But I think one thing that goes kind
of unnoticed about you is that you also straddle basically
the entire right. Like everybody on the right is a
Scott Jennings band, whether they're you know, I don't know,
I don't even know what the terms are anymore. But basically,
how does a guy who worked for George W. Bush
(12:25):
also be the guy who is considered the MAGA representative
on television? How do you do both?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well? I think there is a through line from my
career working for Bush, McConnell, Romney Trump. Yes, they're all
very different. Yes, they all you know, had different ideas
on policy and whatever. But I'll tell you, I think
there are also some similarities in these people. They're all conservatives,
they all believe in the future of Western civilization. I
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think they all fundamentally in their own way and in
their own time, we're effectively a bulwark against the excesses
of the left. I mean, in every iteration of my career,
you know, there were always people on the left who
were doing things that I thought were fundamentally bad for
the country because they believe the country was rotten at
its core. I mean, that's the thing about politics is,
(13:16):
you know, we have two parties, and you can love
George W. Bush and you can love Donald Trump because
in their own time, they were both fighting against people
who I think fundamentally thought the United States was rotten.
They thought our Founders were rotten, or they thought the
Founding principles or our founding documents were wrong somehow. I
don't agree with any of that, and so I have
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no trouble supporting Donald Trump today as much as I
had no trouble working for and supporting George W. Bush
or Mitch McConnell before, because I see this as a
battle of ideas, and I think there's no politician I
agree with one hundred percent of the time. But I
think ninety five ninety eight percent of the time Donald
Trump's going to do what I want, and zero percent
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of the time Joe Biden did what I want, or
Ala Harris would do what I want, or anyone on
the left, you know, AOC, you name your Democrat, dejure,
they're never going to do anything that I want because
I think they fundamentally view the country differently than I do.
So my free line is I'm here to defend Western
civilization and give a voice to half or more than
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half of the country that basically stands for common sense.
And that's how I see the Republican Party. We're the
party of common sense. The Democrats are the party of
uncommon nonsense. And I have no trouble drawing that line.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Such a sane position, like you really just don't hear
that from anybody. So are you going to run for office?
Is this where you come to make your announcement?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, no, not today. I hadn't ruled it out. I
wouldn't mind running. You know. My grandfather was an elected
official and it was a local office, but I rather
enjoyed watching him run. And my father was a local
official in our small town of Dawson Springs. So I
have some, you know, sort of a familial connection to it,
(14:59):
and I've worked on a lot of campaigns. I haven't
ruled it out. It is of interest to me, and yeah,
I don't know when that will be, could be soon,
could be far. But I think what I'm doing right
now is actually really important and I'm very happy with
this job I have on CNN because I think sometimes
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conservatives Middle America people, rural people. I'm a rural person
and I still live in Kentucky. I think there's a
whole bucket of people in this country who often feel
like their views and their point of view and the
people with their background just aren't represented in media. Yeah,
and they don't have a voice like they don't have
(15:42):
someone who's analyzing the world the way they would. So
this mission I'm on is to give that group of
people a voice and a defense of their values and
their views every single day. And although I think running
for office is very noble and I might do it
in the future, I think what I'm doing right now
is also really important. And I actually think the election
(16:03):
results in twenty twenty four were sort of a revenge
of this group of people who just kind of got
tired of all the narratives and all the things they
were being told that they knew fundamentally were not true,
and they just sort of struck back against it and said,
we're not buying it anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, I think one of the more important things that
you've kind of got across on CNN is that there's
no such thing as my truth or your truth. Like,
I think that's a giant step forward for the network
for people watching to understand that there's no such thing as,
you know, my truth or your truth. Do I feel
like that's a crusade that you're definitely on?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Would you agree?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, I just I feel like in our political culture
and our well, it's just in our culture period we
are playing strange games with language. Things no longer mean
what they used to mean, and I just I can't
stand it. I mean, honestly, this is one of the
reasons I think Donald Trump is successful. He doesn't play
(16:55):
the pablum game. He doesn't give in to the reordering
of language. He kind of talks and sounds like you know,
most people that you know, or you know, most New
Yorkers that you know. He doesn't give in to people
who are trying to give new definitions to words and
this idea that there can be multiple versions of the
truth or you know. We were debating the Caitlyn Clark
(17:18):
situation the other night, and she sort of gave into it.
I'm sure a PR person told her, Hey, in order
to get all these people to like you, you're going
to have to talk the way they talk. And I
think I said at the time, she's going to learn
a hard lesson you can never. There's never, it's never enough,
never enough, you can never. And then what happened the
next days she gets an amazing Award Athlete of the Year.
(17:39):
She then grovels for forgiveness from the league, which she
is carrying on her back, and the very next day,
the owner of the Mystics said, well, they should have
put the whole WNBA on the magazine. They hate Caitlyn Clark.
It's the dumbest business thing of all time. And no
matter how much my truth, your truth, lived, experience, whatever,
it's never enough. So my view is most people feel
(18:02):
that way, and people are kind of tired of having
their language reordered, and I just kind of want to
stand up for you know, clarity and speech.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I guess yeah, Caitlin Clark will learn the circular firing
squad never misses. It never misses, and when you're in it,
you're in it. So what do you what do you
worry about?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, I worry about the future of Western civilization. I
mean it's it's I think there are a lot of
people who would love to turn it upside down, rip
it out, root and branch, and do something else. And
a lot of them are in the United States of America,
and a lot of them are involved in politics in
our country. I worry about this whole group of young
leftist radicals that we see on college campuses and in
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the streets of major cities, rampaging around, tearing down the signs,
the posters of the hostages in the Middle East flying
you know, Hesbola and hamas colors while they do it
burning the American flag in front of Union Station in Washington,
d C. I see the whole generation of young left
radicals who clearly hate the United States. They don't love
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this country, they don't love sort of the foundations of
Western civilization that we've ordered our entire society and culture on.
I worry about it a lot, and I think people
have to stand up and realize that we're not just
simply debating tax policy or trade policy today. We're debating
the future of Western civilization. So I worry frankly about
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losing that debate. And I worry about sort of the
direction of culture and society, not just American government, although
I think American government is very determinative in that. So
that's one thing I worry about a lot. That's a
macro worry. My micro worry is that my four kids
have a country to grow up in where they can achieve,
where they can achieve. You know, they're all different, they're
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all going to do different things. But I worry about
them having better opportunities than I had. That's the American
dream give your kids better opportunities than you had. So
that's my micro worry at home, just are these kids
going to have the same or better opportunities than I had?
Those are probably the two things I worry about the most.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
How old are they?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Fifteen, eleven, nine and seven?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They're all yeah, oh boys, nice yep.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
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Speaker 2 (21:41):
So, what advice would you give Scott Jennings at sixteen
years old? I guess sort of would translate. I guess
also to what advice you're going to give your boys?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, I'll tell you one piece of advice I would
give myself is learn about health and nutrition at an
earlier age. I was probably thirty something years old before
I ever really understood the relationship between what you're eating,
how much you're eating, and how it makes you feel,
how it makes you look your body. And you know,
I've struggled with that for a big chunk of my life.
(22:12):
Later in life, I've kind of learned about it, and
you know, I feel great now. I'm forty seven years old.
Now you know. But I didn't know anything about this.
I didn't learn anything about this until I was well
into adulthood. So one thing I would tell myself is
I get better educated about about this rule, which is
what you eat and how much you eat and when
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you eat is really determinative in your overall health. And
I'm thankful that I have learned about it now. But
I sometimes think, God, I was so stupid, like I was.
I mean, I just I never even crossed my mind
what I was doing. And so anyway, that's that's one
thing I think about all the time. How many years
did I struggle with this? It was really just due
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to a lack of knowledge, honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
But was it you not knowing? Or do you feel
like everybody kind of didn't know? I think this so
many so much new information and just generally a change
in perspective about health policy and you know all of it.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, I don't blame anyone, and I don't kick myself
over it. But you asked me if I could go
back in time and wave a magic wand I would
give everybody the knowledge I mean, and I just I
don't know. It's so like your health is so determinative
of how you feel about everything else in your life.
And and I just I don't know. I feel better
(23:31):
today than I've ever felt and so and I agree
with you, we have more knowledge about it now. I honestly,
I think this is one of the appeals of RFK. Truthfully,
I look, I don't he has said things in his
career that I fundamentally disagree with. I mean, I'm old
enough to remember when he was accusing people like me
in two thousand and four of like, you know, rigging
(23:53):
the voting machines in Ohio to steal the election for
George W. Bush and changing the weather. Yes, but but
I'll tell you one thing He's onto this whole make
America healthy again, the idea of learning a little bit
more about what we eat, what's in our food. You know,
what could we do as a society if we improve that.
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He's on to something, and that's part of the reason
people are drawn to And I get it again. I
don't endorse everything he has ever said or worked on,
but some of this is a real thing, and I
think a lot of Americans honestly are waking up to it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I've noticed you wear the yellow ribbon on TV. What
is that about.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well, I wear it because of the hostages that are
being held in Gaza. I've been wearing it since right
after October the seventh. I think that most Americans are
outraged and horrified by what happened on October the seventh.
But I also think that the people who are trying
to rationalize it or maybe even say, well, hey, maybe
(24:54):
this wasn't such a bad idea are overrepresented in our
political discourse. So I started wearing the yellow ribbon because
I wanted people to know there's at least one person
who is thinking about those hostages and thinking about can
I tell the difference between right and wrong? This is
one of those things where like clarity matters, and what
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happened on October the seventh was wrong, The people who
did it are wrong. The fact that they took hostages
is wrong, and the fact that we still have Americans
being held there makes my blood boil. I think we've
had a weak presidency on this front, and I really
am grateful for what Donald Trump has said in the
last few days, which is, if you don't send my
people home, there's going to be hell to pay. Imagine
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if you had a president that was that clear over
the last year, and so I wear that because I
just want to show the colors of people, for people
who have lost loved ones in this attack, who are mourning,
who still know people that are hostages there, but also
broader than that. Again, I view this point as a
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fundamental flash point in the fight for the future of
Western civilization. And I think the relationship between the United
States and Israel is one of the most important relationships
we have as a nation. And I'm gonna unabashedly and unapologetic,
unapologetically support it for as long as I'm on television.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I love it. I think that's so brave and bold,
but so clear of you. I just I think you're
just the best. Thank you, Thank you for doing well.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You're very welcome. And I just this whole idea. I
feel like the world has gone crazy. How can we
How is it so hard for people to tell the
difference between right and wrong? These people flew in, murdered people,
raped women, tortured people. I mean, this is the most
barbaric thing you can do to other human beings. They'd
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even treat them like human beings. They treated them like
animals or something less than that, and we're out here,
we got people out here like well, I don't know,
if you were oppressed, maybe you would do it too
like this. No, no, so of course, So you know
when you think about well, look out look online, I
mean the discourse around this among particularly young people, and
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how they kind of got indoctrinated with the idea that
Israel is the bad guy here and somehow it was
okay for this, or even they were told what you
were told about October the seventh didn't really happen. It
just it drives me crazy, and so why can't we
just clearly state what's right and wrong and stand up
for what's true. And what's true here is these folks
(27:32):
absolutely terrorize their fellow human beings, and they deserve everything
they're getting from Israel.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
In my opinion, you're absolutely right. This has been in
such an amazing conversation, Scott. I think you're just such
a fantastic person. I love watching you on TV. I
think you're doing an amazing job and us here with
your best tip for my listeners on how they can
improve their lives.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Gosh, best tip on how to improve your life. You know,
I used to be a golfer I don't get to anymore.
But one thing I learned in golf is you can
never worry about the last shot. You can only ever
hit the next shot. And I think a lot of
people in life spend more time worrying about what happened
(28:15):
yesterday than what they might be able to do tomorrow.
And if I had any tip, it's the last shot
is over. Hit the next shot. Hit it on the green,
hit it close to the hole, and you'll feel a
whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I love that. Come golf in South Florida. I've got
lots of courses here.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I would love to come to South Flora. I've been
spending most of my time in cold and somewhat dreary
New York lately, so South Floria is nots a lot better.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I think you should come down. Thank you so much.
Thank you Scott Jennings. Check him out on CNN. He's
the guy arguing with five people every night on TV.
He's just wonderful. Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Thanks Carol, You're one of my favorites. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Mark
wo Woid Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to The Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
The Carol Markowitz Show now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so
you can get this non political podcast, The Carol Markowitz
Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political
podcast I co host with Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday
and Thursday. The only day you don't get me is Mondays.
(00:25):
This is my final episode of twenty twenty four, and
I'll keep the monologue short. The new year is always
a good time to take stock and think about things
you can do better. I know I definitely do that.
If you've listened to me for a while, you know
the things I strive to do better in my own
life include reading more fiction books, spending less time online,
(00:49):
cultivating more friendships, considering working out someday, the usual. We've
gotten so many great pieces of advice from guests this year,
and a lot of them are on these same themes,
because it turns out that better living isn't much of
a mystery. It's doing a few things for yourself that
will improve your life. I got this note a few
(01:12):
months ago that has stayed with me, and I wanted
to talk about it. On this year end episode because
I wasn't really sure how to answer it. Hi, Carol,
loved the show. I'm one of those people who can't
get over the COVID years. I'm still angry about what
was done to us. How do you let go of
that anger? Haha? How do I let go of that anger?
(01:35):
I haven't, It's still just under the surface. Honestly, I
feel a lot better since we moved to Florida nearly
three years ago now, but I had to change my
whole life to give my kids what I would consider
a normal life. I'm so happy here, I'm so grateful.
I drive around smiling, but I am still bitter that
(01:58):
I was forced to leave the life that I thought
i'd live. A theme in a lot of the notes
and comments I got this year are people struggling for
a sense of control. The last few years have seemed
very out of control, the pandemic time specifically, and people
are trying to get a handle on their lives again.
(02:19):
I'll tell you, I've seen optimism since the election, and
I love it. I also feel optimistic, but of course,
it's going to take more than one presidential election to
turn things around, especially in your own life. I would
say that step one is getting that sense of control,
(02:40):
and we have to accept that it will take some time.
Step two a little harder, it's growing from the experience. Look,
I'm still angry too. I get you, but I think
about all the things that I'll never fall for again.
Think about how much or you must see the world
(03:02):
after kind of going through an experience like that. Focus
on the positive, and hey, maybe in the next year
we'll talk more about how to get over things. I'd
love to learn how I've loved our conversations on the
Carol Marcowitz Show so much, and I particularly love these
notes and these comments. I love hearing from listeners. I
(03:22):
love hearing who you are and what you worry about.
Drop me an email anytime, Carol Markowitz Show at gmail
dot com. It's Ka R O L M A. R.
Kowi Cias and Charlie Zias and Zebra's Show at gmail
dot com. Thanks for listening. Coming up my interview with
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Speaker 2 (05:07):
Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
guest today is Scott Jennings. Scott is a senior political
commentator at CNN and partner at run Switch Public Relations
in Kentucky. Hi, Scott, so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Loved love this opportunity. I'm a huge fan of yours
and was flattered that you asked. Thank you man.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm a huge fan of yours and so excited that
you're here. So this is a show about living better,
improving your life, but also about how you got to
where you are. So I have to ask, when you
were a little boy, did you dream of being in
a five against one situation every night on TV where
everybody's yelling at you.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I did, but I thought it would be in professional wrestling,
not in a political punditry. There's not a huge menage. Yeah.
I mean, I've got my Hulkamania shirt on. You know, wrestling.
When I was a kid, I loved wrestling, but I
was you know, Hulk Cogan was my hero, but I
was always a little drawn to the heels and the
wrestling promotions. You know, I love the iron chic. Yeah,
(06:04):
he was one of Hulkogan's greatest pose. You know, these
people who really in the business, they call it bring
in the heat like they generate heat. And so now
here I am later in life generating heat on CNN
and similar kinds of battle Royals. No, when I was
a kid, I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
You know, my grandfather actually and my father were Democrats,
(06:26):
and my grandfather was a Democrat elected official, So I
had some attraction to politics as a kid. I sort
of became a Republican in high school when Newt Gingrich
became Speaker of the House. I felt close to the Republicans.
I liked what they were saying, and I voted in
the nineteen ninety six Republican presidential primary, which caused a
great stir in Dawson Springs, Kentucky, where I'm from, among
(06:48):
all the people there, because back in those days it
was a Democrat territory down there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
They knew you voted in the Republican primary.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, it's a it's a closed primary. And so when
you go down to vote in one of our three
precinct there's lists and so they've got a big book
of Democrats and one sheet of Republicans. And that lady
who has taking the names, she said, does your grandfather
know what you've done? That? I said, you're not supposed
to intimidate people at the polls, you know, like that's
(07:16):
that's long since been outlawed. But anyway, you know, I
wasn't sure what to do. I happened up on a
scholarship program at the University of Louisville called the McConnell
scholars started by Mitch McConnell. He doesn't pick the scholars
and he doesn't run the program, but he raised all
this money to have a scholarship program for high school
(07:38):
students in Kentucky full ride at the University of Louisville.
They picked ten kids a year, and they picked kids
who were kind of interested in public service. And so
that's how I got into college. I mean, I'm my
dad was a garbage man and a factory worker. I
didn't have anything, and so getting this scholarship and then
being oriented towards public service and public affairs, it's kind of,
(08:01):
you know, it's kind of how I got the ball rolling.
And then when I was in college, I was a reporter.
I was a news anchor and a reporter for WHAS
Radio in Louisville, Kentucky for four years. I spent more
time in the radio booth than I did in the classroom.
Apologies to my professors who passed me in. But and
so if there was a period, Carol, I thought I
was going to be a journalist, right, and then then
(08:21):
the two thousand campaign came along.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And then you joined the George W. Bush campaign then,
And to tell you about that, how was it?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It was an amazing experience. I was in the news business
and really had a great experience. You make no money
in radio, but it is fun and I loved it.
But in two thousand, as I was preparing to graduate
from Louisville, Mitch McConnell actually called me one day. Had
struck up a relationship with him throughout my college time,
and he said something I'll never forget, which was, when
(08:50):
are you going to get off the sidelines and get
into the game. And you know, he was recruiting, Well,
I've got to believe me, I could do the whole
show this way. But he he was recruiting me to
work in politics. And I hadn't really thought of it
because I really was sort of focused on journalism and broadcasting.
(09:11):
But you know, it was too good of an opportunity
to pass up. So I went to work on a
presidential campaign for George W. Bush. I was on the
campaign in Kentucky and then we spent a little time
in West Virginia. At the end of that campaign, people
forget Kentucky and West Virginia. In that area, it was
still Democrat territory. In fact, Bill Clinton won Kentucky twice
and no Republican had won West Virginia and I don't
(09:32):
know how long. And so that's how I got into it.
And that presidential campaign was magical because we won. And
you know, obviously the aftermath of two thousand and living
through that whole period, I worked on the presidential inaugural committee.
I was on the opening ceremonies, which was at the
Lincoln Memorial, and I had one important task. I had
(09:53):
to find every porta potty on the Eastern seaboard when
I have it shipped to the Lincoln Memorial. It took
me a full thirty days to pull off. For twenty days,
I guess that is. And yes, I still to this
day believe that had I not done my job, this
would have been a disaster of an inn autural. But
there are plenty of places to go.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I think you did a fantastic job because we
hadn't heard anything about the lack of porto potties at
that inauguration. But so you're such a happy warrior. You're
just always in such a like, you know, it appears
to be a really good mood, even though again everyone's
yelling at you and you're arguing. How do you maintain that?
How do you stay kind of happy?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I well, I tell people that in this job, you
can't take any of it personally, and you have to
also understand people. And I'm like this too. You know,
I also have an emotional attachment to what I think
is best for the country, but you can't let that
affect how you converse with or treat other people. And
(10:56):
you do see people sometimes in these debates get over
here and look, I'm guilty of it. You know, There's
been a time or two where I've gotten a little
unhappy with the way somebody approached me on an issue,
or you know, my least favorite thing is when you
say something factually correct, or you say something where you
have an opinion that is fully grounded in facts, and
(11:17):
the immediate RTORI is, oh, you're just lying or Scott
doesn't tell the truth. When you know that you are,
and it, so I don't mind to be disagreed with.
What I don't like is to have my name dismerged
by calling me a liar. I'm not a liar. I
approach this job like a journalist. I don't tend to
dealing things that I don't believe affect factual statements and
honest statements. But I just I just try to remember,
(11:38):
don't take it personally. And I put myself in the
position of the audience. If I were watching two people
debate an issue, would I rather watch two people scream
at each other who hate each other, or do? I
want to believe that it's possible for people with differing
ideas to have civil discourse, maybe a little humorous, and
you can laugh at yourself a little bit, and not
(11:59):
ultimately take it so personally that it sort of destroys
the conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So one of the things you get a lot of
credit for is for having these conversations with people on
the left. But I think one thing that goes kind
of unnoticed about you is that you also straddle basically
the entire right. Like everybody on the right is a
Scott Jennings band, whether they're you know, I don't know,
I don't even know what the terms are anymore. But basically,
how does a guy who worked for George W. Bush
(12:25):
also be the guy who is considered the MAGA representative
on television? How do you do both?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well? I think there is a through line from my
career working for Bush, McConnell, Romney Trump. Yes, they're all
very different. Yes, they all you know, had different ideas
on policy and whatever. But I'll tell you, I think
there are also some similarities in these people. They're all conservatives,
they all believe in the future of Western civilization. I
(12:54):
think they all fundamentally in their own way and in
their own time, we're effectively a bulwark against the excesses
of the left. I mean, in every iteration of my career,
you know, there were always people on the left who
were doing things that I thought were fundamentally bad for
the country because they believe the country was rotten at
its core. I mean, that's the thing about politics is,
(13:16):
you know, we have two parties, and you can love
George W. Bush and you can love Donald Trump because
in their own time, they were both fighting against people
who I think fundamentally thought the United States was rotten.
They thought our Founders were rotten, or they thought the
Founding principles or our founding documents were wrong somehow. I
don't agree with any of that, and so I have
(13:36):
no trouble supporting Donald Trump today as much as I
had no trouble working for and supporting George W. Bush
or Mitch McConnell before, because I see this as a
battle of ideas, and I think there's no politician I
agree with one hundred percent of the time. But I
think ninety five ninety eight percent of the time Donald
Trump's going to do what I want, and zero percent
(13:57):
of the time Joe Biden did what I want, or
Ala Harris would do what I want, or anyone on
the left, you know, AOC, you name your Democrat, dejure,
they're never going to do anything that I want because
I think they fundamentally view the country differently than I do.
So my free line is I'm here to defend Western
civilization and give a voice to half or more than
(14:18):
half of the country that basically stands for common sense.
And that's how I see the Republican Party. We're the
party of common sense. The Democrats are the party of
uncommon nonsense. And I have no trouble drawing that line.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Such a sane position, like you really just don't hear
that from anybody. So are you going to run for office?
Is this where you come to make your announcement?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, no, not today. I hadn't ruled it out. I
wouldn't mind running. You know. My grandfather was an elected
official and it was a local office, but I rather
enjoyed watching him run. And my father was a local
official in our small town of Dawson Springs. So I
have some, you know, sort of a familial connection to it,
(14:59):
and I've worked on a lot of campaigns. I haven't
ruled it out. It is of interest to me, and yeah,
I don't know when that will be, could be soon,
could be far. But I think what I'm doing right
now is actually really important and I'm very happy with
this job I have on CNN because I think sometimes
(15:22):
conservatives Middle America people, rural people. I'm a rural person
and I still live in Kentucky. I think there's a
whole bucket of people in this country who often feel
like their views and their point of view and the
people with their background just aren't represented in media. Yeah,
and they don't have a voice like they don't have
(15:42):
someone who's analyzing the world the way they would. So
this mission I'm on is to give that group of
people a voice and a defense of their values and
their views every single day. And although I think running
for office is very noble and I might do it
in the future, I think what I'm doing right now
is also really important. And I actually think the election
(16:03):
results in twenty twenty four were sort of a revenge
of this group of people who just kind of got
tired of all the narratives and all the things they
were being told that they knew fundamentally were not true,
and they just sort of struck back against it and said,
we're not buying it anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, I think one of the more important things that
you've kind of got across on CNN is that there's
no such thing as my truth or your truth. Like,
I think that's a giant step forward for the network
for people watching to understand that there's no such thing as,
you know, my truth or your truth. Do I feel
like that's a crusade that you're definitely on?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Would you agree?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well, I just I feel like in our political culture
and our well, it's just in our culture period we
are playing strange games with language. Things no longer mean
what they used to mean, and I just I can't
stand it. I mean, honestly, this is one of the
reasons I think Donald Trump is successful. He doesn't play
(16:55):
the pablum game. He doesn't give in to the reordering
of language. He kind of talks and sounds like you know,
most people that you know, or you know, most New
Yorkers that you know. He doesn't give in to people
who are trying to give new definitions to words and
this idea that there can be multiple versions of the
truth or you know. We were debating the Caitlyn Clark
(17:18):
situation the other night, and she sort of gave into it.
I'm sure a PR person told her, Hey, in order
to get all these people to like you, you're going
to have to talk the way they talk. And I
think I said at the time, she's going to learn
a hard lesson you can never. There's never, it's never enough,
never enough, you can never. And then what happened the
next days she gets an amazing Award Athlete of the Year.
(17:39):
She then grovels for forgiveness from the league, which she
is carrying on her back, and the very next day,
the owner of the Mystics said, well, they should have
put the whole WNBA on the magazine. They hate Caitlyn Clark.
It's the dumbest business thing of all time. And no
matter how much my truth, your truth, lived, experience, whatever,
it's never enough. So my view is most people feel
(18:02):
that way, and people are kind of tired of having
their language reordered, and I just kind of want to
stand up for you know, clarity and speech.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I guess yeah, Caitlin Clark will learn the circular firing
squad never misses. It never misses, and when you're in it,
you're in it. So what do you what do you
worry about?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, I worry about the future of Western civilization. I
mean it's it's I think there are a lot of
people who would love to turn it upside down, rip
it out, root and branch, and do something else. And
a lot of them are in the United States of America,
and a lot of them are involved in politics in
our country. I worry about this whole group of young
leftist radicals that we see on college campuses and in
(18:42):
the streets of major cities, rampaging around, tearing down the signs,
the posters of the hostages in the Middle East flying
you know, Hesbola and hamas colors while they do it
burning the American flag in front of Union Station in Washington,
d C. I see the whole generation of young left
radicals who clearly hate the United States. They don't love
(19:06):
this country, they don't love sort of the foundations of
Western civilization that we've ordered our entire society and culture on.
I worry about it a lot, and I think people
have to stand up and realize that we're not just
simply debating tax policy or trade policy today. We're debating
the future of Western civilization. So I worry frankly about
(19:28):
losing that debate. And I worry about sort of the
direction of culture and society, not just American government, although
I think American government is very determinative in that. So
that's one thing I worry about a lot. That's a
macro worry. My micro worry is that my four kids
have a country to grow up in where they can achieve,
where they can achieve. You know, they're all different, they're
(19:49):
all going to do different things. But I worry about
them having better opportunities than I had. That's the American
dream give your kids better opportunities than you had. So
that's my micro worry at home, just are these kids
going to have the same or better opportunities than I had?
Those are probably the two things I worry about the most.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
How old are they?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Fifteen, eleven, nine and seven?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They're all yeah, oh boys, nice yep.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
A bight of destruction in the Jennings heelshold more.
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Speaker 2 (21:41):
So, what advice would you give Scott Jennings at sixteen
years old? I guess sort of would translate. I guess
also to what advice you're going to give your boys?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, I'll tell you one piece of advice I would
give myself is learn about health and nutrition at an
earlier age. I was probably thirty something years old before
I ever really understood the relationship between what you're eating,
how much you're eating, and how it makes you feel,
how it makes you look your body. And you know,
I've struggled with that for a big chunk of my life.
(22:12):
Later in life, I've kind of learned about it, and
you know, I feel great now. I'm forty seven years old.
Now you know. But I didn't know anything about this.
I didn't learn anything about this until I was well
into adulthood. So one thing I would tell myself is
I get better educated about about this rule, which is
what you eat and how much you eat and when
(22:32):
you eat is really determinative in your overall health. And
I'm thankful that I have learned about it now. But
I sometimes think, God, I was so stupid, like I was.
I mean, I just I never even crossed my mind
what I was doing. And so anyway, that's that's one
thing I think about all the time. How many years
did I struggle with this? It was really just due
(22:54):
to a lack of knowledge, honestly.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
But was it you not knowing? Or do you feel
like everybody kind of didn't know? I think this so
many so much new information and just generally a change
in perspective about health policy and you know all of it.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, I don't blame anyone, and I don't kick myself
over it. But you asked me if I could go
back in time and wave a magic wand I would
give everybody the knowledge I mean, and I just I
don't know. It's so like your health is so determinative
of how you feel about everything else in your life.
And and I just I don't know. I feel better
(23:31):
today than I've ever felt and so and I agree
with you, we have more knowledge about it now. I honestly,
I think this is one of the appeals of RFK. Truthfully,
I look, I don't he has said things in his
career that I fundamentally disagree with. I mean, I'm old
enough to remember when he was accusing people like me
in two thousand and four of like, you know, rigging
(23:53):
the voting machines in Ohio to steal the election for
George W. Bush and changing the weather. Yes, but but
I'll tell you one thing He's onto this whole make
America healthy again, the idea of learning a little bit
more about what we eat, what's in our food. You know,
what could we do as a society if we improve that.
(24:13):
He's on to something, and that's part of the reason
people are drawn to And I get it again. I
don't endorse everything he has ever said or worked on,
but some of this is a real thing, and I
think a lot of Americans honestly are waking up to it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I've noticed you wear the yellow ribbon on TV. What
is that about.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well, I wear it because of the hostages that are
being held in Gaza. I've been wearing it since right
after October the seventh. I think that most Americans are
outraged and horrified by what happened on October the seventh.
But I also think that the people who are trying
to rationalize it or maybe even say, well, hey, maybe
(24:54):
this wasn't such a bad idea are overrepresented in our
political discourse. So I started wearing the yellow ribbon because
I wanted people to know there's at least one person
who is thinking about those hostages and thinking about can
I tell the difference between right and wrong? This is
one of those things where like clarity matters, and what
(25:15):
happened on October the seventh was wrong, The people who
did it are wrong. The fact that they took hostages
is wrong, and the fact that we still have Americans
being held there makes my blood boil. I think we've
had a weak presidency on this front, and I really
am grateful for what Donald Trump has said in the
last few days, which is, if you don't send my
people home, there's going to be hell to pay. Imagine
(25:36):
if you had a president that was that clear over
the last year, and so I wear that because I
just want to show the colors of people, for people
who have lost loved ones in this attack, who are mourning,
who still know people that are hostages there, but also
broader than that. Again, I view this point as a
(25:58):
fundamental flash point in the fight for the future of
Western civilization. And I think the relationship between the United
States and Israel is one of the most important relationships
we have as a nation. And I'm gonna unabashedly and unapologetic,
unapologetically support it for as long as I'm on television.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I love it. I think that's so brave and bold,
but so clear of you. I just I think you're
just the best. Thank you, Thank you for doing well.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You're very welcome. And I just this whole idea. I
feel like the world has gone crazy. How can we
How is it so hard for people to tell the
difference between right and wrong? These people flew in, murdered people,
raped women, tortured people. I mean, this is the most
barbaric thing you can do to other human beings. They'd
(26:45):
even treat them like human beings. They treated them like
animals or something less than that, and we're out here,
we got people out here like well, I don't know,
if you were oppressed, maybe you would do it too
like this. No, no, so of course, So you know
when you think about well, look out look online, I
mean the discourse around this among particularly young people, and
(27:08):
how they kind of got indoctrinated with the idea that
Israel is the bad guy here and somehow it was
okay for this, or even they were told what you
were told about October the seventh didn't really happen. It
just it drives me crazy, and so why can't we
just clearly state what's right and wrong and stand up
for what's true. And what's true here is these folks
(27:32):
absolutely terrorize their fellow human beings, and they deserve everything
they're getting from Israel.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
In my opinion, you're absolutely right. This has been in
such an amazing conversation, Scott. I think you're just such
a fantastic person. I love watching you on TV. I
think you're doing an amazing job and us here with
your best tip for my listeners on how they can
improve their lives.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Gosh, best tip on how to improve your life. You know,
I used to be a golfer I don't get to anymore.
But one thing I learned in golf is you can
never worry about the last shot. You can only ever
hit the next shot. And I think a lot of
people in life spend more time worrying about what happened
(28:15):
yesterday than what they might be able to do tomorrow.
And if I had any tip, it's the last shot
is over. Hit the next shot. Hit it on the green,
hit it close to the hole, and you'll feel a
whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I love that. Come golf in South Florida. I've got
lots of courses here.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I would love to come to South Flora. I've been
spending most of my time in cold and somewhat dreary
New York lately, so South Floria is nots a lot better.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I think you should come down. Thank you so much.
Thank you Scott Jennings. Check him out on CNN. He's
the guy arguing with five people every night on TV.
He's just wonderful. Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Thanks Carol, You're one of my favorites. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Mark
wo Woid Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Host
Karol Markowicz
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