In this episode, Karol is joined by Dave Rubin to discuss the political shift in the United States due to migration, the impact on voting patterns, and the decline of states like California and New York. Karol also talks about personal growth, the importance of communication in relationships, and the culture of lies in American institutions. Dave shares his experience of fatherhood and the lessons he has learned. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
A few episodes ago, I said that it's a cop
out to tell people that they should settle, because it's
the wrong advice to give. It's the nice advice.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It tells people that they are perfect just the way
they are, and their standards are simply too high, and
that's just generally not the case. There's a meme I
see shared a lot, especially around Valentine's Day. It says,
I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes,
I'm out of control and at times hard to handle.
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But if you can't handle me at my worst, then
you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.
The line is attributed to Marilyn Monroe, though there's no
evidence Monroe I ever actually said it. Sometimes the quote
is just the last line, that you can't handle me
at my worst, and you sure as hell don't deserve me.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
At my best.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's usually accompanied by a picture of a smoking hot
Monroe oozing sex appeal and challenging anyone to not want
her even at her worst. But it's a deeply damaging idea.
For one thing, none of us are Marilyn Monroe for another.
The idea that we don't need to change anything about
ourselves and are perfect just the way we are can
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hinder finding a good partner and a healthy relationship. The
fact is, if you are perpetually single and can never
meet anyone, there are probably some things you can change
about yourself. And despite what your friends have told you
in Unison, it probably isn't that you're just too awesome
for all the people you meet, too good for them,
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too beautiful, too handsome, too amazing. There's probably something about
you that is repelling potential mates. It doesn't mean you're
a terrible person or this can't be solved, something that
needs to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Women get this.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Advice a lot, that you're just perfect just the way
you are and look. Men get a lot of terrible
advice too.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Don't get me wrong, but women are the ones who
are always getting assured that they're just super perfect and
couldn't possibly make changes to attract a mate. Assuming you
know whether or not you're a woman or a man,
you have good hygiene, are not hideous to look at,
and you're probably.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Not hideous to look at.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's just the fact, and have no obvious problems, no
substance abuse or weird tattoos on your neck. The problem
is likely your personality. And if I may speculate a
bit further, it's almost definitely that you talk too much
about very little. If you're listening and you swear, look,
I don't smell bad, I look good. I don't feel
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like I talk too much, It's time for a reality check.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
There has to be one person in your life who
will be completely honest with you.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You need that person to tell you in a very
straightforward way, what you're doing wrong. It might not be
the amount you talk, but what you say. Do you
talk about bodily.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Functions, ex girlfriends, men who hit on you constantly? An
esoteric hobby you have that if you know anything about
Do you take any experience or event and relate it
immediately back to yourself with a story, no matter how
short to match. Do people shake their heads a lot
when they're talking to you, even in a playful, oh
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you kind of way. It goes back to the problem
that I talked about a few episodes ago, which is
that people don't know how to flirt. We don't know
how to conversate. That's really what it is flirting is conversation.
If people say that's crazy a lot to you as
you're talking, you're not having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You're delivering a monologue.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I don't want you to settle, but I want
you to rearrange your personality to land a man or
a woman. No, I want you to rearrange your personality
so you can have a more fulfilling and interesting life,
the life you want. Everybody has the capacity.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
To be boring or inappropriate.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's the keeping it in check that makes you not
annoying to be around. This isn't just for a mate,
it's for you. Those people playfully shaking their heads at
your ridiculous tales have no other response to your stories,
but perhaps they are your friends, family, co workers, and
so have learned to adapt. The person of your dreams
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might not want to. The best version of a conversation
isn't for the other person to say.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Mmmm mmmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's for them to have something to say back to you.
Give them something interesting to respond to, and they will.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Coming up next and interview with Dave Rubin. Join us
after the break, Hi, and welcome back to the Carol
Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is the amazing
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Dave Rubin. Dave's host of The Ruben Report and co
founder of Locals.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So nice to have you on, Dave.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I like the amazing Dave Rubin. It sounds like I'm
like a washed up magician or something. The Amazing watch
where he pulls the rabbit from.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I was going to go with incredible, but that felt
like too much, you know, ah.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It is incredible, more over the top than amazing. I'm
not quite sure. We leave that to the audience.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think so, I think incredible is you know, like
we'll save that for your second interview here.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You know, so.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You and I have a kind of symbiotic thing.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Where we both moved to Florida within a few weeks
of each other, a few days of each other, and
we're coming up on two years now.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So how's it been. What's your favorite part?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well? I know the exact day I arrived in Florida.
Do you know your exact day? Because mine was December seventeenth,
twenty twenty one, and it is a day that I
will never forget. I was fortunate enough that we have
a friend who's got some pretty good means, and we
didn't want to have our dog fly under the plane
on a commercial flight, so he let us borrow his plane.
It was only the second time that I've ever been
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on a private plane, and you know, you get all
the drinks you want and the food you want, and
it was just great. And as we were landing, the
pilot said to me, do you want to sit in
the jump seat? That's kind of right behind the You're
in the cockpit in essence, but you're kind of right
behind the pilot. And I got in there, and it
was we were landing at about I think nine or
ten PM, and I kid you not. As we landed
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in Miami International Airport, I felt something lift off my chest.
The last two years in LA I had lived there
for eight years, six years, were pretty great. My career
took off there. I did what you were supposed to
do if you go to LA it's to like follow
the dream. And I'm one of the lucky ones. I
suppose it worked. Whatever I was doing, it happened. But
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then the two COVID years and the ridiculous recall, and
of course I campaigned with Larry Elder, and then I
got audited by the state. Three days after that, I
was just so ready to leave. I was so angry
at everybody. It's you know me, My general disposition is
pretty positive, but I hate everywhere i'd go. I just
hated everybody. I couldn't deal with the masks, all the nonsense.
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And just like you, I moved to the place that
our friend and governor calls the Citadel of Freedom, and
I have loved every second of being here. I have
stayed here for two summers. And yes, it is warm,
I admit it, and you sweat and your hair is
a little bit lower. It is device to pay. They
also now have something I don't know if you have
this up where you are. We're a couple miles apart,
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but you can actually put this device. It's like a
box in your window and you press a button and
it literally cow's going to blow your mind. It conditions
the air. I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'm in a sweater, I'm freezing in my house.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Thus proving the point these devices are. These devices are
readily available. So yes, I love everything about being in Florida.
And just one other quick thing for me, sort of
like existentially, what I've realized is I fought very hard
against the craziness of CAW for a long time. It
did spur me on in a lot of ways. It
made my show more valuable to be fighting against something
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and all that. But I can tell you in the
two years of fighting for something here, maybe it's I'm
at the ripe old age of forty seven now, Like
I just I like fighting for something as opposed to
fighting against something. So that, Yeah, Florida love it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yes, do you feel like California? I mean I think
you do. But is it totally lost?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Cause, yeah, it's completely lost. It's a one party state.
There simply aren't enough good people there to fix it anymore.
Gavin Newsom, I think is basically the anti Christ and
or a lizard person who most likely is going to
be the nominee. I don't know how they're going to
do it, but they are getting bited and out of
the way. I know you and I don't fully see
eyed eye on that one, which for you I think
is more of a timing thing. But I just think
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there is no trick that these people cannot do right
in front of our faces. They'll just do it. They'll
push the black Lady out of the way. They'll do
it right in front of our eyes. They'll spin the
chair around and it'll be Gavin like, it's so dangerous,
they're so evil, and it's so But no, I have
no hope because you know the other thing that's happened
is that as we've had this massive migration, the red
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states are getting redder and the blue are getting bluer.
So all of think about if I literally could sit here,
probably for the next twenty minutes and go through all
of the people and businesses that I know that moved
from Cali and came here to Florida. Now plenty of
them moved by the way to Texas obviously in Tennessee,
but the amount of brain drain that California is suffering.
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The good people who have left San Francisco left LA
and they've brought all of their talents and their businesses here,
and the people are voting here the right way, So
there just aren't enough good people. It's sort of like
New York City, and I know you're a Brooklyn girl.
It's like I was in New York City during nine
to eleven. I lived most of my formative years there,
in my early twenties into mid thirties, and it's like
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there is no Giuliani left. There isn't. I mean, Rudy's there,
but I don't think he wants to run from mayor again.
But there aren't enough good people anymore. And you know
Lee Zelden, who nobody knew of until two weeks before
that gubernatorial election. He lost by about I think it
was four hundred and fifty thousand votes in New York.
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About five hundred thousand people have fled New York in
the COVID years. So not to say that every single
one of them would have voted for him, and obviously
some of them are kids and everything else. But the
point is the difference, which isn't that great even in
New York, you know, a couple hundred thousand votes. It's
exacerbated by the fact that so many people have left.
And you know what, as a Floridian, I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I feel bad for the people trying to vote themselves
to sanity in places like California and New York. But
you're right, there's just not enough of them. Although it
looks like Long Island is going pretty red and so
their pockets. But no, there's just you know, most of
us have gotten out, and I think that that's sort
of the future for anybody saying kind of left behind, which,
you know, too bad, because those were a great states.
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They were doing so well for a while. We were
able to coast on like good Republican leadership for so
long that we almost didn't notice how badly they were
falling apart.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But you know, here we.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Are, Carol. Do you remember, I'm sure we're going to
talk about Israel in a little bit, but do you
remember the last scene in both the play and or
a movie of Fiddler on the Roof, So you know
they're in that scene it a lot. Yeah, it's an
incredible moment. It's really one of my favorite moments in
movie history, because you know, they're realizing that they can't
stay in their steadle anymore and everything is falling apart,
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and Tevia, who's obviously the main character, and his friend
Laser Wolf they're trying to figure out where they're going
to go. And I might slightly butcher this, but in essence,
his friend Laser is like, I'm going to Chicago, and
he's like, I'm going to New York. And it's like
they don't know what they're saying. You could be saying,
I'm going to Mars and I'm going to Venus. It's
like they're just they're going to what they view as
something better than where they're at. And I would say
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to anyone who is saying that wants to live in
a safe, free place, you really should move to a
red state. But only do it if you're going to
vote the right way, because unfortunately, the history of freedom
and free people is an aberration. The default situation for
humans is autocracy and authoritarianism and everything else. And you know,
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if you live in New York right now, like, do
you feel like if someone broke into your house that
they would do any of the police would do anything.
Do you feel like if a mob ran by your store?
I know it was your friend in New York City,
they went by her store. It's like, do you think
the authorities will do anything or do you think that
they'll basically give a you know, a speech about Islamophobia,
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like we've got everything backwards in most of the places,
but not every place.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, And the fact that you can't protect yourself, like
you and I went gun shopping a few weeks ago.
That was a good time I mean something you just
can't can't do in New York or la And you know,
so you can't count on anybody to protect you, but
you also can't protect yourself. The double whemming of that
about the Fiddler on the Roof scene. You know, what
I've thought about a lot is that they're leaving. They're
really upset they have to leave their home. But if
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you think about it, those are the luckiest.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Jews in like history. They get out, Okay, they have
the programs.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I think you know, things are not going well,
but they get out at the turn of the century,
out of Europe. They end up missing, you know, the Holocaust.
They are living in America. Their ancestors are the Jewish
voices for peace now because they've lived in like this
complete safety for so long. Those turn of the century
Jews are always the ones that their ancestors, their grandchildren,
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their great grandchildren always end up being far left because
they've had this security of America for so long that
they don't even know what it could be like if
they had stayed and ATEFKA.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot to say about that.
First off, I would say on like Jewish voices for
peace or any of these ridiculous organizations. Most of them
are not Jewish voices. It's largely like Islamists and crazed Marxists.
They put jew in there so that it looks good
when they're protesting, like I'm a Jew for Palestine, which
is very different than Palestine for Jews, like queers for
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Palestine and everything else. So largely it's not Jews that
have anything to do with that. Your broader point though,
of you know what assimilation does generations down the line,
and what sort of like the ultimate promise of freedom,
you know, freedom. What you want is freedom from you
want freedom from oppression. That's what That's what Teva would
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have wanted in Antecma. But you don't. But but freedom too,
where it's then just do whatever the hell you want
and nothing is real and anything is up in the
air and all those things. That's what unfortunately has led
to a lot of I don't really want to make
it about Jews, but a lot of what I would
say are modern woke leftists. It's like they just say
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all these things and none of these things mean anything.
For example, there was a you just texted me something
like an hour ago from this guy who I think
writes it. We don't even have to mention his name,
but he writes at New York Magazine or New York
or one of these things, and you know, and you
could tell he's just like a New York like. I
just like can't stand I can't stand their affect. I
feel like they all have bad breath and they don't
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they eat too much, so I just ate that whole thing.
They're all kind of asexual. I just can't stand it.
But you know, he wrote something like, you know, Jews
living in occupied territories is a problem, but you know,
we shouldn't be racist together. And it's like, and I responded,
I because I was waiting to do this show with you,
and I had a moment and I was like, why
should I think or sit for a moment. I'll just right.
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I was like, let's fight with someone on Twitter. But
I wrote, why is it? Why do you think that
Jews in occupied lands are a problem? Because what he's
saying is the West Bank is occupied, but I mean
it's known as Judea and Samarian's where the story of
Hankka took place.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He hasn't read the story of Hanukkah come on, that guy.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
You know the story of Hanukkah that Jews have been
telling for thousands of years. Jesus of Nazareth, he was
a pretty popular Jew Nazareth. You're not going to believe.
This was in Judae and Samari. What we now know
is West Bank. But but these lefties, they just say
things and it's all meaningless drivel, just so that I
don't know. I honestly don't even know what it is anymore.
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I'm so far removed from it. It's just so that
they feel like they can be lofty or right about something.
But yes, they end up dragging the rest of us
to hell with them. I guess.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
The sticker said settlers are a problem in it was
like in occupied territories and in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's like sort of what it was about.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
And this guy was like trying to pretend that they
didn't mean Jews by the settlers.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It's like, come on, like seriously.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
But that thing, that thing where it's like you offer pennance.
So what he's trying to do there, and again we
don't have to make about him specifically, but these have
people they try to offer some penance. So yes, settlers
in occupied territories are a problem. Well that sort of
sounds right, I guess, but like, also without getting too far,
that there is no occupation. There's never been an occupation.
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The British left the area known as Palestine, which is
historic Israel. So all these people that are like there's
a seventy five year occupation, it's like, okay, congratulations, I
want the British Empire to come back. I guess we
could go back two hundred years and really mess with
the Ottomans. That would be fun. Like it's just such nonsense.
But none of this should surprise us, because if you don't,
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if no one ever stands up for the truth, and
if we live in a time when boys or girls
and America's fundamentally raisist and all these other things, then
how do you expect anyone to know the history of
the Holy Land? You know what I mean? If literally
you're like chopping Yeah, We're.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Going to take a quick break and be right back
on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So I was going to
ask you in the last two years, you know, we
started with Florida, we got into Israel, but you had
some major changes. You became a father, and you know,
is that, Like, what's that been?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Are you are you the cool dad?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, I'm definitely the more fun dad because I'm mostly
in this studio all day long and working all day long,
so I get my studio, of course, is in my house,
so I get to just kind of show up in
the room and like pick everybody up and throw them
around and spin them around and do all the fun
things all the time I do. There are some diaper
changes involved in some you know, putting down for naps
and that kind of thing. But David, my husband, is
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doing most of like the heavy lifting in that regard,
and we have some help his sister and his sister,
my sister in law is living with us helping with
knights and things like that, and we have a close
enough family with people visiting all the time that there's
a lot of the pieces there. But it's incredible, Like
it's frustrating and crazy and maddening and sometimes like I'm
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like my brain if like I can't the screaming or
just like these kids are so well behaved, they're so
fun and great, but like sometimes just like they're both
screaming at once and like I'm trying to like work
through something that I'm going to do on the show,
and it's like all this craziness, but then at the end,
you know, like it's giving you this this thing that
cannot be described exactly. You know, last week I was
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in London for Jordan Peterson's art conference and he gave.
He gave what I honestly believe and I toured with
this guy, so we did one hundred and twenty shows
in about a year and a half. It was the
best speech I've ever heard him give, and really he
was what he was saying, and I can like dumb
it down in like the craziest way.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
In thirty yeah for us, come on?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Is he was actually telling the story of Jacob's Ladder,
the biblical story of Jacob's Ladder that basically, if you
in your life do the right thing, so you find
the spouse you're supposed to be with, you start being
the person you're supposed to be, You raise your family
right that in essence, you're you're sort of bringing about
God by doing that, because you're like giving yourself over
to something that's better. You don't know why exactly. It's
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frustrating and it's crazy, but then by doing that, you
start building the ladder, Jacob's ladder. Jacob's ladder. The highest
point of Jacob's ladder would be ultimately sort of not
that you could ever know God, but it would be
like it would be like the thing that you want
to attain. You're like putting a ladder towards Heaven something
like that, and that if you do a little of
the good stuff in your life, you can start building
those ladder, those steps on the ladder up. And I
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kind of think that that's what I've learned in the
year of having kids. It's like you don't know exactly
where that ladder is going. You're building this ladder, and
you know it's the right thing to build, and it's
annoying at times. And like, I don't drink tequila at
two pm in the hot tub anymore, which was one
of my favorite things.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I was gonna say. I thought you were gonna say,
I don't drink tequila. I was like, you drink tequila, no, and.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
We will drink yes, I will see you later this evening,
but not at two pm on Saturdays in the hot
tub anymore. And so you sacrifice some things for I
don't know the linkage of humans that they have been
doing since the beginning of time. I guess that's probably
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's deep burthering civilization, you know, one baby at a time.
So you have a huge show, you have a great family,
you live in the free estate in the country.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Well, I guess I feel like I've made it in
that Like I'm financially secure, and I wasn't for a
long long time in my career. It took a long time,
like fifteen years to really get to that point. I
mean when I was even when I was like maybe
thirty eight or thirty nine, Like we basically had nothing
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when we moved to la in twenty thirteen. We had,
may I kid you not, we had maybe five thousand
dollars between the two of us. I mean, I didn't
have three months rent even, and we were making nothing.
And I left there a millionaire. I guess, so, like
that is the dream. You know. I built a tech company,
not even because it was the right or not because
it was the smart thing to do, but it was
the right thing to do. Like I didn't realize how
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much work it was going to be. In the two
years of my life spent on zoom calls asking investors
for money. That became my job even more than the
Reuben Report. But it worked out. Locals worked out, and
we eventually merged with Rumble. So, like I guess by
make it like I made it in that I wake
up every day doing the thing that I am supposed
to be doing and hopefully like fixing a world so
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that those two kids that don't let me drink tequila
in the hot tub at two pm on a Saturday,
like can live a pretty decent life. So if that
basically is what making it is, which I guess, I
guess if you would have asked me at twenty, you know,
when I was standing on street corns handing out tickets
in Times Square for stand up shows when I was broke.
I mean, I had a friend. I had no money,
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and I had a friend, my buddy John, who was
in food service, and he used to he would drop
off like industrial size things of tuna. I'm talking about
five pound vacuum sealed bag of tuna, and I would
just eat tuna for two weeks straight, like I Am
going to die of mercury poisoning.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
How is there no picture of a young Dave Reuben
eating giant industrial size tuna.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, they're probably right. He used to give me huge cans,
like you can't even believe you've never seen a can
like this, maybe in the army of soup that they
you know, like just like the most sodium laced soup
that they would serve in the worst diner in Queens.
And I would just eat soup and tuna just to survive.
I mean, between the salt and the mercury. Like it's
a miracle in here, honestly.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And you look at me, you know, you look really good.
You're very youthful looking for all that mercury.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Forty seven years old, I'll take it. I'm actually at
my lowest weight probably since college I got you know,
I was always like I've always been like sort of
relatively fit, but I just kind of could cut sugar
a little bit more. And and I also think like
when you're when you're like roughly living the life you're
supposed to be living, yeah, the other like your weight
or whatever, like you start doing the little things on
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the margins to fix that. So it's one thing if
you're like hugely obese and then your life starts getting fixed.
It's going to take a little bit more time, but
I was like within the margins of what kind of worked.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So yeah, so you know, also the two pm tequila drinking,
it comes back a lot faster than you think. Like
in a few years, they're like self sufficient, you could
do whatever you want. They don't even want to hang
out with you at two pm on a weekend anymore.
They're like, I'm going to the mall my friends.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
So yeah, you know that is that is good to know.
You're You're another You're another good example of what Florida
does for someone when they're when they're living the life
that they're supposed to be living. Because I know how
connected you.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Hey, this is my show.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, well I'm turning it on you for a moment
because I know and your audience knows you were deeply,
deeply connected to Brooklyn and your community there and all
that stuff. It was not easy to do it, but
you did it. And the cool thing is that, I mean,
We're going to dinner tonight with this great group of
people that I did not know, and I think maybe
I knew Dave or Boy before all this, but I
didn't really know any of these guys before this, and
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we've all become friends, and it's like we're fighting for
the same things and and it's it's fun when you're
doing that, and that's more fun. That's more fun than
you know. I used to have great, great parties in
LA and during COVID, we'd have these illegal parties and
I'd have all these cool you know, influencers and celebrities
and whatever at my house. But we were always talking
(24:40):
about how horrible it was there. So right, that's very
different than when we all get together and we're like, oh,
we're in.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The promise, it's amazing, so good here, it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We really we have a good group, and it's nice
to be fighting for kind of to maintain it, right,
we're not fighting to change very much.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
We're like, let's just keep it the way that this is.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
By the way, that's work. That's working. Sure, a lot
of people don't realize that, Like we have to really
maintain that, Like, regardless of what happens with the presidential situation,
either DeSantis remains our governor or he goes on to
be president, which would be incredible in Florida.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Run a free role.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, right, Like we have to make sure that the
institutions that are strong right now. Look, most people in
New York didn't think New York would be this bad
this quick, same macaut So it's as strong as Florida is.
And the demographics are really shifting in our favor, just
if you look at voter roles and everything else. But
anything could happen, and whether it's six years from now
or ten years from now, I want to stop it
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from happening.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Absolutely, Yeah, we have to preserve what we have, and
what we have is so good. I mean, So, what
would you say is our biggest societal or cultural problem
in America?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And do you think it's solvable?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I mean, the biggest problem is that we are We
are in a society that is driven by lies everywhere, everywhere,
almost across the board, institutionally, CDCNIH media, CNN, Washington BOST
New York Times, politicians, almost everything is driven by lives.
And that's why I think I've said to you in
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the last couple of weeks, like it's not that surprising
to me that we're at this weird moment right now.
Like if you say to literally two generations of young people,
your genitals have nothing to do with your biology. If
you say to them that America, the freest country in
the history of the world, is actually systemically racist, that
socialism is better than capitalism, that two plus two equals five.
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If you take everything known, that people who have lived
much worse, much more difficult lives than us, Carol fought
for that, our ancestors fought for, many died for to
get us to this place. Then you scramble it all up,
and you live in a time where every virtually everyone
across the board is just lying about everything. I think
it was Alexander Sultchanitsen who said that the one thing
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you can do is not participate in the lie. And
that's what I'm try trying to do, and I think
it's the only way we can get out of this thing.
You know, there was I played a clip on my
show this morning of Trump at this uh there was
this Florida conference this weekend where they were talking. You know,
they had Santas there and Trump there and all the
Florida people are there. And Trump was talking about how
(27:18):
great Republican states were about COVID and he mentioned South Dakota,
Georgia or whatever, and he doesn't say Florida, and he Obviously,
he knows Florida is the best. He knows DeSantis was
the best, but he doesn't say Florida while he's in Florida,
the state that he lives in and all his kids
live in and his grand kids live in, because he
doesn't want to give Disanta's credit. And the audience starts
(27:38):
booing him, which is very rare for him, and you
could see he kind of he has this weird smile
and he's kind of back on his heels for a minute.
And it's not that that lie. At this point, he's
made that lie. That was a lie by omission. But
it's not that it's so egregious, like it's the worst
thing ever, like saying I don't know that Ted Cruz
his dad killed JFK or something like that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It might be right, it's.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Not that it's so egregious, other than what I've really
come around to is that we can't fix the problems
with lies. Right. So if you think that the Democrats
and the Wokesters and the institutions are lying about everything,
I don't think that the answer to that is more lying.
And that really is why I've been supporting DeSantis, and
(28:21):
he makes it easy to do so, and maybe it'll
work and maybe it won't, but I know that I'll
have my integrity intact at the end, and I think
that's worth something.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, truth matters so much. I think you know more
than ever for all the reasons that you said. I
think that when we start pretending that the lies are
the truth, we're all in a terrible situation.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So yeah, I agree with you there.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I can keep talking to you for an hour, but
you know we're running out of time, So end here
with your best tip for my listeners on how they
can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I mean, it's the most cliche thing, but the best
thing that you can do is tell people what you
actually think, and this is the time to do it
more than ever. I have no doubt, Carol, that you've
received as many texts screenshots of texts as I have
in the last couple of weeks of friends of mine saying, man,
can you believe what my friend said to me about this?
Or they're posting hamas propaganda, or they think there's a
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genocide happening in Gaza, or the litany across the board
of craziness, and they'll either say, you know, I don't
want to fight back or I don't want and it's like, man,
you know, if you don't fight back, if you bury
your head in the sand, you just get beheaded a
little bit lower on the neck. Or the frog in
the pot, like you can just sit there and the
temperature will constantly be turned up and you'll be like, oh,
(29:38):
I don't want to upset everybody, and you know, and
then eventually you're a boiled frog. And I've had frog's
legs and they're not great. It's just not great. And
that's what people have to do. You have to speak
up because they're praying on the fact that we won't
speak up. You have to call out the nonsense. And
that's not to say that people won't be mean to
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you or say weird things to you on Twitter or
whatever else. But like, if you think that your silence
is doing you any favors, it is just delaying the inevitable.
And especially I guess if you have kids, you damn
well better do it, because then you're doing the ultimate
ultimate disservice to your children, which is your your acquiescence
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is handing them a world that is worse than the
one that was handed to you. And I can't imagine
anything worse that a parent could do.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's right.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, you know the fact that Hamas is holding two
peace activists is really you know, the telling point there
where they really don't care what you believe. They will,
you know, exactly, chop off your head no matter what.
So tell the truth, let your kids know what you
really believe. I think that's the way we need to
be proceeding from here. Thank you so much, the incredible
Dave Rubin, Thank you so much for coming on my show.
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Love talking to you, and we'll continue this over tequila.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Thank you to the luxurious Carol Markoix. I will see
you at that undisclosed location at seven pm tonight, Tequila
on me.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowig Show.
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
A few episodes ago, I said that it's a cop
out to tell people that they should settle, because it's
the wrong advice to give. It's the nice advice.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It tells people that they are perfect just the way
they are, and their standards are simply too high, and
that's just generally not the case. There's a meme I
see shared a lot, especially around Valentine's Day. It says,
I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes,
I'm out of control and at times hard to handle.
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But if you can't handle me at my worst, then
you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.
The line is attributed to Marilyn Monroe, though there's no
evidence Monroe I ever actually said it. Sometimes the quote
is just the last line, that you can't handle me
at my worst, and you sure as hell don't deserve me.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
At my best.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's usually accompanied by a picture of a smoking hot
Monroe oozing sex appeal and challenging anyone to not want
her even at her worst. But it's a deeply damaging idea.
For one thing, none of us are Marilyn Monroe for another.
The idea that we don't need to change anything about
ourselves and are perfect just the way we are can
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hinder finding a good partner and a healthy relationship. The
fact is, if you are perpetually single and can never
meet anyone, there are probably some things you can change
about yourself. And despite what your friends have told you
in Unison, it probably isn't that you're just too awesome
for all the people you meet, too good for them,
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too beautiful, too handsome, too amazing. There's probably something about
you that is repelling potential mates. It doesn't mean you're
a terrible person or this can't be solved, something that
needs to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Women get this.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Advice a lot, that you're just perfect just the way
you are and look. Men get a lot of terrible
advice too.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Don't get me wrong, but women are the ones who
are always getting assured that they're just super perfect and
couldn't possibly make changes to attract a mate. Assuming you
know whether or not you're a woman or a man,
you have good hygiene, are not hideous to look at,
and you're probably.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Not hideous to look at.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's just the fact, and have no obvious problems, no
substance abuse or weird tattoos on your neck. The problem
is likely your personality. And if I may speculate a
bit further, it's almost definitely that you talk too much
about very little. If you're listening and you swear, look,
I don't smell bad, I look good. I don't feel
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like I talk too much, It's time for a reality check.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
There has to be one person in your life who
will be completely honest with you.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You need that person to tell you in a very
straightforward way, what you're doing wrong. It might not be
the amount you talk, but what you say. Do you
talk about bodily.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Functions, ex girlfriends, men who hit on you constantly? An
esoteric hobby you have that if you know anything about
Do you take any experience or event and relate it
immediately back to yourself with a story, no matter how
short to match. Do people shake their heads a lot
when they're talking to you, even in a playful, oh
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you kind of way. It goes back to the problem
that I talked about a few episodes ago, which is
that people don't know how to flirt. We don't know
how to conversate. That's really what it is flirting is conversation.
If people say that's crazy a lot to you as
you're talking, you're not having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You're delivering a monologue.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I don't want you to settle, but I want
you to rearrange your personality to land a man or
a woman. No, I want you to rearrange your personality
so you can have a more fulfilling and interesting life,
the life you want. Everybody has the capacity.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
To be boring or inappropriate.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's the keeping it in check that makes you not
annoying to be around. This isn't just for a mate,
it's for you. Those people playfully shaking their heads at
your ridiculous tales have no other response to your stories,
but perhaps they are your friends, family, co workers, and
so have learned to adapt. The person of your dreams
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might not want to. The best version of a conversation
isn't for the other person to say.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Mmmm mmmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's for them to have something to say back to you.
Give them something interesting to respond to, and they will.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Coming up next and interview with Dave Rubin. Join us
after the break, Hi, and welcome back to the Carol
Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is the amazing
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Dave Rubin. Dave's host of The Ruben Report and co
founder of Locals.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So nice to have you on, Dave.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I like the amazing Dave Rubin. It sounds like I'm
like a washed up magician or something. The Amazing watch
where he pulls the rabbit from.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I was going to go with incredible, but that felt
like too much, you know, ah.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It is incredible, more over the top than amazing. I'm
not quite sure. We leave that to the audience.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think so, I think incredible is you know, like
we'll save that for your second interview here.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You know, so.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You and I have a kind of symbiotic thing.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Where we both moved to Florida within a few weeks
of each other, a few days of each other, and
we're coming up on two years now.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So how's it been. What's your favorite part?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well? I know the exact day I arrived in Florida.
Do you know your exact day? Because mine was December seventeenth,
twenty twenty one, and it is a day that I
will never forget. I was fortunate enough that we have
a friend who's got some pretty good means, and we
didn't want to have our dog fly under the plane
on a commercial flight, so he let us borrow his plane.
It was only the second time that I've ever been
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on a private plane, and you know, you get all
the drinks you want and the food you want, and
it was just great. And as we were landing, the
pilot said to me, do you want to sit in
the jump seat? That's kind of right behind the You're
in the cockpit in essence, but you're kind of right
behind the pilot. And I got in there, and it
was we were landing at about I think nine or
ten PM, and I kid you not. As we landed
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in Miami International Airport, I felt something lift off my chest.
The last two years in LA I had lived there
for eight years, six years, were pretty great. My career
took off there. I did what you were supposed to
do if you go to LA it's to like follow
the dream. And I'm one of the lucky ones. I
suppose it worked. Whatever I was doing, it happened. But
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then the two COVID years and the ridiculous recall, and
of course I campaigned with Larry Elder, and then I
got audited by the state. Three days after that, I
was just so ready to leave. I was so angry
at everybody. It's you know me, My general disposition is
pretty positive, but I hate everywhere i'd go. I just
hated everybody. I couldn't deal with the masks, all the nonsense.
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And just like you, I moved to the place that
our friend and governor calls the Citadel of Freedom, and
I have loved every second of being here. I have
stayed here for two summers. And yes, it is warm,
I admit it, and you sweat and your hair is
a little bit lower. It is device to pay. They
also now have something I don't know if you have
this up where you are. We're a couple miles apart,
(07:31):
but you can actually put this device. It's like a
box in your window and you press a button and
it literally cow's going to blow your mind. It conditions
the air. I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'm in a sweater, I'm freezing in my house.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Thus proving the point these devices are. These devices are
readily available. So yes, I love everything about being in Florida.
And just one other quick thing for me, sort of
like existentially, what I've realized is I fought very hard
against the craziness of CAW for a long time. It
did spur me on in a lot of ways. It
made my show more valuable to be fighting against something
(08:06):
and all that. But I can tell you in the
two years of fighting for something here, maybe it's I'm
at the ripe old age of forty seven now, Like
I just I like fighting for something as opposed to
fighting against something. So that, Yeah, Florida love it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yes, do you feel like California? I mean I think
you do. But is it totally lost?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Cause, yeah, it's completely lost. It's a one party state.
There simply aren't enough good people there to fix it anymore.
Gavin Newsom, I think is basically the anti Christ and
or a lizard person who most likely is going to
be the nominee. I don't know how they're going to
do it, but they are getting bited and out of
the way. I know you and I don't fully see
eyed eye on that one, which for you I think
is more of a timing thing. But I just think
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there is no trick that these people cannot do right
in front of our faces. They'll just do it. They'll
push the black Lady out of the way. They'll do
it right in front of our eyes. They'll spin the
chair around and it'll be Gavin like, it's so dangerous,
they're so evil, and it's so But no, I have
no hope because you know the other thing that's happened
is that as we've had this massive migration, the red
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states are getting redder and the blue are getting bluer.
So all of think about if I literally could sit here,
probably for the next twenty minutes and go through all
of the people and businesses that I know that moved
from Cali and came here to Florida. Now plenty of
them moved by the way to Texas obviously in Tennessee,
but the amount of brain drain that California is suffering.
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The good people who have left San Francisco left LA
and they've brought all of their talents and their businesses here,
and the people are voting here the right way, So
there just aren't enough good people. It's sort of like
New York City, and I know you're a Brooklyn girl.
It's like I was in New York City during nine
to eleven. I lived most of my formative years there,
in my early twenties into mid thirties, and it's like
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there is no Giuliani left. There isn't. I mean, Rudy's there,
but I don't think he wants to run from mayor again.
But there aren't enough good people anymore. And you know
Lee Zelden, who nobody knew of until two weeks before
that gubernatorial election. He lost by about I think it
was four hundred and fifty thousand votes in New York.
(10:12):
About five hundred thousand people have fled New York in
the COVID years. So not to say that every single
one of them would have voted for him, and obviously
some of them are kids and everything else. But the
point is the difference, which isn't that great even in
New York, you know, a couple hundred thousand votes. It's
exacerbated by the fact that so many people have left.
And you know what, as a Floridian, I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I feel bad for the people trying to vote themselves
to sanity in places like California and New York. But
you're right, there's just not enough of them. Although it
looks like Long Island is going pretty red and so
their pockets. But no, there's just you know, most of
us have gotten out, and I think that that's sort
of the future for anybody saying kind of left behind, which,
you know, too bad, because those were a great states.
(10:57):
They were doing so well for a while. We were
able to coast on like good Republican leadership for so
long that we almost didn't notice how badly they were
falling apart.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But you know, here we.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Are, Carol. Do you remember, I'm sure we're going to
talk about Israel in a little bit, but do you
remember the last scene in both the play and or
a movie of Fiddler on the Roof, So you know
they're in that scene it a lot. Yeah, it's an
incredible moment. It's really one of my favorite moments in
movie history, because you know, they're realizing that they can't
stay in their steadle anymore and everything is falling apart,
(11:30):
and Tevia, who's obviously the main character, and his friend
Laser Wolf they're trying to figure out where they're going
to go. And I might slightly butcher this, but in essence,
his friend Laser is like, I'm going to Chicago, and
he's like, I'm going to New York. And it's like
they don't know what they're saying. You could be saying,
I'm going to Mars and I'm going to Venus. It's
like they're just they're going to what they view as
something better than where they're at. And I would say
(11:53):
to anyone who is saying that wants to live in
a safe, free place, you really should move to a
red state. But only do it if you're going to
vote the right way, because unfortunately, the history of freedom
and free people is an aberration. The default situation for
humans is autocracy and authoritarianism and everything else. And you know,
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if you live in New York right now, like, do
you feel like if someone broke into your house that
they would do any of the police would do anything.
Do you feel like if a mob ran by your store?
I know it was your friend in New York City,
they went by her store. It's like, do you think
the authorities will do anything or do you think that
they'll basically give a you know, a speech about Islamophobia,
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like we've got everything backwards in most of the places,
but not every place.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, And the fact that you can't protect yourself, like
you and I went gun shopping a few weeks ago.
That was a good time I mean something you just
can't can't do in New York or la And you know,
so you can't count on anybody to protect you, but
you also can't protect yourself. The double whemming of that
about the Fiddler on the Roof scene. You know, what
I've thought about a lot is that they're leaving. They're
really upset they have to leave their home. But if
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you think about it, those are the luckiest.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Jews in like history. They get out, Okay, they have
the programs.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I think you know, things are not going well,
but they get out at the turn of the century,
out of Europe. They end up missing, you know, the Holocaust.
They are living in America. Their ancestors are the Jewish
voices for peace now because they've lived in like this
complete safety for so long. Those turn of the century
Jews are always the ones that their ancestors, their grandchildren,
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their great grandchildren always end up being far left because
they've had this security of America for so long that
they don't even know what it could be like if
they had stayed and ATEFKA.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot to say about that.
First off, I would say on like Jewish voices for
peace or any of these ridiculous organizations. Most of them
are not Jewish voices. It's largely like Islamists and crazed Marxists.
They put jew in there so that it looks good
when they're protesting, like I'm a Jew for Palestine, which
is very different than Palestine for Jews, like queers for
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Palestine and everything else. So largely it's not Jews that
have anything to do with that. Your broader point though,
of you know what assimilation does generations down the line,
and what sort of like the ultimate promise of freedom,
you know, freedom. What you want is freedom from you
want freedom from oppression. That's what That's what Teva would
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have wanted in Antecma. But you don't. But but freedom too,
where it's then just do whatever the hell you want
and nothing is real and anything is up in the
air and all those things. That's what unfortunately has led
to a lot of I don't really want to make
it about Jews, but a lot of what I would
say are modern woke leftists. It's like they just say
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all these things and none of these things mean anything.
For example, there was a you just texted me something
like an hour ago from this guy who I think
writes it. We don't even have to mention his name,
but he writes at New York Magazine or New York
or one of these things, and you know, and you
could tell he's just like a New York like. I
just like can't stand I can't stand their affect. I
feel like they all have bad breath and they don't
(15:06):
they eat too much, so I just ate that whole thing.
They're all kind of asexual. I just can't stand it.
But you know, he wrote something like, you know, Jews
living in occupied territories is a problem, but you know,
we shouldn't be racist together. And it's like, and I responded,
I because I was waiting to do this show with you,
and I had a moment and I was like, why
should I think or sit for a moment. I'll just right.
(15:28):
I was like, let's fight with someone on Twitter. But
I wrote, why is it? Why do you think that
Jews in occupied lands are a problem? Because what he's
saying is the West Bank is occupied, but I mean
it's known as Judea and Samarian's where the story of
Hankka took place.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He hasn't read the story of Hanukkah come on, that guy.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
You know the story of Hanukkah that Jews have been
telling for thousands of years. Jesus of Nazareth, he was
a pretty popular Jew Nazareth. You're not going to believe.
This was in Judae and Samari. What we now know
is West Bank. But but these lefties, they just say
things and it's all meaningless drivel, just so that I
don't know. I honestly don't even know what it is anymore.
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I'm so far removed from it. It's just so that
they feel like they can be lofty or right about something.
But yes, they end up dragging the rest of us
to hell with them. I guess.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
The sticker said settlers are a problem in it was
like in occupied territories and in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's like sort of what it was about.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
And this guy was like trying to pretend that they
didn't mean Jews by the settlers.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It's like, come on, like seriously.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
But that thing, that thing where it's like you offer pennance.
So what he's trying to do there, and again we
don't have to make about him specifically, but these have
people they try to offer some penance. So yes, settlers
in occupied territories are a problem. Well that sort of
sounds right, I guess, but like, also without getting too far,
that there is no occupation. There's never been an occupation.
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The British left the area known as Palestine, which is
historic Israel. So all these people that are like there's
a seventy five year occupation, it's like, okay, congratulations, I
want the British Empire to come back. I guess we
could go back two hundred years and really mess with
the Ottomans. That would be fun. Like it's just such nonsense.
But none of this should surprise us, because if you don't,
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if no one ever stands up for the truth, and
if we live in a time when boys or girls
and America's fundamentally raisist and all these other things, then
how do you expect anyone to know the history of
the Holy Land? You know what I mean? If literally
you're like chopping Yeah, We're.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Going to take a quick break and be right back
on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So I was going to
ask you in the last two years, you know, we
started with Florida, we got into Israel, but you had
some major changes. You became a father, and you know,
is that, Like, what's that been?
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Are you are you the cool dad?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well, I'm definitely the more fun dad because I'm mostly
in this studio all day long and working all day long,
so I get my studio, of course, is in my house,
so I get to just kind of show up in
the room and like pick everybody up and throw them
around and spin them around and do all the fun
things all the time I do. There are some diaper
changes involved in some you know, putting down for naps
and that kind of thing. But David, my husband, is
(18:09):
doing most of like the heavy lifting in that regard,
and we have some help his sister and his sister,
my sister in law is living with us helping with
knights and things like that, and we have a close
enough family with people visiting all the time that there's
a lot of the pieces there. But it's incredible, Like
it's frustrating and crazy and maddening and sometimes like I'm
(18:30):
like my brain if like I can't the screaming or
just like these kids are so well behaved, they're so
fun and great, but like sometimes just like they're both
screaming at once and like I'm trying to like work
through something that I'm going to do on the show,
and it's like all this craziness, but then at the end,
you know, like it's giving you this this thing that
cannot be described exactly. You know, last week I was
(18:52):
in London for Jordan Peterson's art conference and he gave.
He gave what I honestly believe and I toured with
this guy, so we did one hundred and twenty shows
in about a year and a half. It was the
best speech I've ever heard him give, and really he
was what he was saying, and I can like dumb
it down in like the craziest way.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
In thirty yeah for us, come on?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Is he was actually telling the story of Jacob's Ladder,
the biblical story of Jacob's Ladder that basically, if you
in your life do the right thing, so you find
the spouse you're supposed to be with, you start being
the person you're supposed to be, You raise your family
right that in essence, you're you're sort of bringing about
God by doing that, because you're like giving yourself over
to something that's better. You don't know why exactly. It's
(19:31):
frustrating and it's crazy, but then by doing that, you
start building the ladder, Jacob's ladder. Jacob's ladder. The highest
point of Jacob's ladder would be ultimately sort of not
that you could ever know God, but it would be
like it would be like the thing that you want
to attain. You're like putting a ladder towards Heaven something
like that, and that if you do a little of
the good stuff in your life, you can start building
those ladder, those steps on the ladder up. And I
(19:54):
kind of think that that's what I've learned in the
year of having kids. It's like you don't know exactly
where that ladder is going. You're building this ladder, and
you know it's the right thing to build, and it's
annoying at times. And like, I don't drink tequila at
two pm in the hot tub anymore, which was one
of my favorite things.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I was gonna say. I thought you were gonna say,
I don't drink tequila. I was like, you drink tequila, no, and.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
We will drink yes, I will see you later this evening,
but not at two pm on Saturdays in the hot
tub anymore. And so you sacrifice some things for I
don't know the linkage of humans that they have been
doing since the beginning of time. I guess that's probably
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
It's deep burthering civilization, you know, one baby at a time.
So you have a huge show, you have a great family,
you live in the free estate in the country.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Well, I guess I feel like I've made it in
that Like I'm financially secure, and I wasn't for a
long long time in my career. It took a long time,
like fifteen years to really get to that point. I
mean when I was even when I was like maybe
thirty eight or thirty nine, Like we basically had nothing
(21:07):
when we moved to la in twenty thirteen. We had,
may I kid you not, we had maybe five thousand
dollars between the two of us. I mean, I didn't
have three months rent even, and we were making nothing.
And I left there a millionaire. I guess, so, like
that is the dream. You know. I built a tech company,
not even because it was the right or not because
it was the smart thing to do, but it was
the right thing to do. Like I didn't realize how
(21:28):
much work it was going to be. In the two
years of my life spent on zoom calls asking investors
for money. That became my job even more than the
Reuben Report. But it worked out. Locals worked out, and
we eventually merged with Rumble. So, like I guess by
make it like I made it in that I wake
up every day doing the thing that I am supposed
to be doing and hopefully like fixing a world so
(21:51):
that those two kids that don't let me drink tequila
in the hot tub at two pm on a Saturday,
like can live a pretty decent life. So if that
basically is what making it is, which I guess, I
guess if you would have asked me at twenty, you know,
when I was standing on street corns handing out tickets
in Times Square for stand up shows when I was broke.
I mean, I had a friend. I had no money,
(22:11):
and I had a friend, my buddy John, who was
in food service, and he used to he would drop
off like industrial size things of tuna. I'm talking about
five pound vacuum sealed bag of tuna, and I would
just eat tuna for two weeks straight, like I Am
going to die of mercury poisoning.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
How is there no picture of a young Dave Reuben
eating giant industrial size tuna.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, they're probably right. He used to give me huge cans,
like you can't even believe you've never seen a can
like this, maybe in the army of soup that they
you know, like just like the most sodium laced soup
that they would serve in the worst diner in Queens.
And I would just eat soup and tuna just to survive.
I mean, between the salt and the mercury. Like it's
a miracle in here, honestly.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And you look at me, you know, you look really good.
You're very youthful looking for all that mercury.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Forty seven years old, I'll take it. I'm actually at
my lowest weight probably since college I got you know,
I was always like I've always been like sort of
relatively fit, but I just kind of could cut sugar
a little bit more. And and I also think like
when you're when you're like roughly living the life you're
supposed to be living, yeah, the other like your weight
or whatever, like you start doing the little things on
(23:21):
the margins to fix that. So it's one thing if
you're like hugely obese and then your life starts getting fixed.
It's going to take a little bit more time, but
I was like within the margins of what kind of worked.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So yeah, so you know, also the two pm tequila drinking,
it comes back a lot faster than you think. Like
in a few years, they're like self sufficient, you could
do whatever you want. They don't even want to hang
out with you at two pm on a weekend anymore.
They're like, I'm going to the mall my friends.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
So yeah, you know that is that is good to know.
You're You're another You're another good example of what Florida
does for someone when they're when they're living the life
that they're supposed to be living. Because I know how
connected you.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Hey, this is my show.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, well I'm turning it on you for a moment
because I know and your audience knows you were deeply,
deeply connected to Brooklyn and your community there and all
that stuff. It was not easy to do it, but
you did it. And the cool thing is that, I mean,
We're going to dinner tonight with this great group of
people that I did not know, and I think maybe
I knew Dave or Boy before all this, but I
didn't really know any of these guys before this, and
(24:20):
we've all become friends, and it's like we're fighting for
the same things and and it's it's fun when you're
doing that, and that's more fun. That's more fun than
you know. I used to have great, great parties in
LA and during COVID, we'd have these illegal parties and
I'd have all these cool you know, influencers and celebrities
and whatever at my house. But we were always talking
(24:40):
about how horrible it was there. So right, that's very
different than when we all get together and we're like, oh,
we're in.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The promise, it's amazing, so good here, it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We really we have a good group, and it's nice
to be fighting for kind of to maintain it, right,
we're not fighting to change very much.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
We're like, let's just keep it the way that this is.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
By the way, that's work. That's working. Sure, a lot
of people don't realize that, Like we have to really
maintain that, Like, regardless of what happens with the presidential situation,
either DeSantis remains our governor or he goes on to
be president, which would be incredible in Florida.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Run a free role.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, right, Like we have to make sure that the
institutions that are strong right now. Look, most people in
New York didn't think New York would be this bad
this quick, same macaut So it's as strong as Florida is.
And the demographics are really shifting in our favor, just
if you look at voter roles and everything else. But
anything could happen, and whether it's six years from now
or ten years from now, I want to stop it
(25:35):
from happening.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Absolutely, Yeah, we have to preserve what we have, and
what we have is so good. I mean, So, what
would you say is our biggest societal or cultural problem
in America?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And do you think it's solvable?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I mean, the biggest problem is that we are We
are in a society that is driven by lies everywhere, everywhere,
almost across the board, institutionally, CDCNIH media, CNN, Washington BOST
New York Times, politicians, almost everything is driven by lives.
And that's why I think I've said to you in
(26:12):
the last couple of weeks, like it's not that surprising
to me that we're at this weird moment right now.
Like if you say to literally two generations of young people,
your genitals have nothing to do with your biology. If
you say to them that America, the freest country in
the history of the world, is actually systemically racist, that
socialism is better than capitalism, that two plus two equals five.
(26:33):
If you take everything known, that people who have lived
much worse, much more difficult lives than us, Carol fought
for that, our ancestors fought for, many died for to
get us to this place. Then you scramble it all up,
and you live in a time where every virtually everyone
across the board is just lying about everything. I think
it was Alexander Sultchanitsen who said that the one thing
(26:56):
you can do is not participate in the lie. And
that's what I'm try trying to do, and I think
it's the only way we can get out of this thing.
You know, there was I played a clip on my
show this morning of Trump at this uh there was
this Florida conference this weekend where they were talking. You know,
they had Santas there and Trump there and all the
Florida people are there. And Trump was talking about how
(27:18):
great Republican states were about COVID and he mentioned South Dakota,
Georgia or whatever, and he doesn't say Florida, and he Obviously,
he knows Florida is the best. He knows DeSantis was
the best, but he doesn't say Florida while he's in Florida,
the state that he lives in and all his kids
live in and his grand kids live in, because he
doesn't want to give Disanta's credit. And the audience starts
(27:38):
booing him, which is very rare for him, and you
could see he kind of he has this weird smile
and he's kind of back on his heels for a minute.
And it's not that that lie. At this point, he's
made that lie. That was a lie by omission. But
it's not that it's so egregious, like it's the worst
thing ever, like saying I don't know that Ted Cruz
his dad killed JFK or something like that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It might be right, it's.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Not that it's so egregious, other than what I've really
come around to is that we can't fix the problems
with lies. Right. So if you think that the Democrats
and the Wokesters and the institutions are lying about everything,
I don't think that the answer to that is more lying.
And that really is why I've been supporting DeSantis, and
(28:21):
he makes it easy to do so, and maybe it'll
work and maybe it won't, but I know that I'll
have my integrity intact at the end, and I think
that's worth something.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, truth matters so much. I think you know more
than ever for all the reasons that you said. I
think that when we start pretending that the lies are
the truth, we're all in a terrible situation.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So yeah, I agree with you there.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I can keep talking to you for an hour, but
you know we're running out of time, So end here
with your best tip for my listeners on how they
can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I mean, it's the most cliche thing, but the best
thing that you can do is tell people what you
actually think, and this is the time to do it
more than ever. I have no doubt, Carol, that you've
received as many texts screenshots of texts as I have
in the last couple of weeks of friends of mine saying, man,
can you believe what my friend said to me about this?
Or they're posting hamas propaganda, or they think there's a
(29:17):
genocide happening in Gaza, or the litany across the board
of craziness, and they'll either say, you know, I don't
want to fight back or I don't want and it's like, man,
you know, if you don't fight back, if you bury
your head in the sand, you just get beheaded a
little bit lower on the neck. Or the frog in
the pot, like you can just sit there and the
temperature will constantly be turned up and you'll be like, oh,
(29:38):
I don't want to upset everybody, and you know, and
then eventually you're a boiled frog. And I've had frog's
legs and they're not great. It's just not great. And
that's what people have to do. You have to speak
up because they're praying on the fact that we won't
speak up. You have to call out the nonsense. And
that's not to say that people won't be mean to
(29:59):
you or say weird things to you on Twitter or
whatever else. But like, if you think that your silence
is doing you any favors, it is just delaying the inevitable.
And especially I guess if you have kids, you damn
well better do it, because then you're doing the ultimate
ultimate disservice to your children, which is your your acquiescence
(30:21):
is handing them a world that is worse than the
one that was handed to you. And I can't imagine
anything worse that a parent could do.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's right.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, you know the fact that Hamas is holding two
peace activists is really you know, the telling point there
where they really don't care what you believe. They will,
you know, exactly, chop off your head no matter what.
So tell the truth, let your kids know what you
really believe. I think that's the way we need to
be proceeding from here. Thank you so much, the incredible
Dave Rubin, Thank you so much for coming on my show.
(30:50):
Love talking to you, and we'll continue this over tequila.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Thank you to the luxurious Carol Markoix. I will see
you at that undisclosed location at seven pm tonight, Tequila
on me.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowig Show.
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