The Mother’s Day Attack

Tennyson and Kyle felt safe in their quiet, rural community—until their lives were shaken by not one, but two violent home invasions. It wasn’t random. The attacks were targeted, and Tennyson was the focus. Even more chilling: it all happened on her very first Mother’s Day as a new mom. We speak with Tennyson about the events of that day and the long road of healing that followed. 

The Mother of All Days: https://www.amazon.com/Mother-All-Days-Break-Unexpected/dp/0997692375?ref_=ast_author_mpb 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
All these details come together so fast, but it was
basically like, this is going to be a fight for
our life.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to the Knife.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm Hannah Smith, I'm patia Eton. This week we're speaking
with Tennis and Jacobson. In twenty thirteen, Tennyson was a
new mother. She and her husband owned a small but
successful CrossFit gym in the Pacific Northwest. They were building
a house. Life was good, but Tennyson's first Mother's Day
turned their lives upside down when she and her family
learned in the most terrifying way that a man she'd

(00:52):
never met was targeting her. Tennyson and her husband weren't
in a fight for their lives. Let's get into the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
So from Washington State. We live just outside of Seattle
in the suburbs. And in twenty thirteen, I was twenty
six years old as a new mom. Our daughter was
seven months old. We owned a CrossFit gym, so we
had had that for about four years, so I managed
the gym, was a new mom. And then my husband

(01:25):
is a firefighter, So yeah, that was that was life
at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
At the time, Tennyson and her husband were in the
middle of building a house, so they were living with
Tennyson's mother in a small town outside of Seattle, Washington.
The area was rural and wooded, and the house had
this long, winding driveway. You probably wouldn't even know it
was there unless you were looking for it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So, yeah, it was a safe neighborhood. We had great neighbors.
Our house was kind of on the outskirts of town,
so it was already a small town, but we were
a little removed, so we had locked our doors in
probably at least ten years and didn't even worry honestly
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
So tell us where we're at in twenty thirteen, what
time of year is it.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, so it was my first Mother's Day and we
had planned that weekend to go to Crescent Bar, Washington,
which is about a two hour drive from our house,
and then on Mother's Day we were going to the
plan Us to come home. And then at the time,
while we owned our CrossFit gym, we had a really
competitive CrossFit team and my husband was the captain of

(02:33):
the team, and at that time it was kind of
the build up to the CrossFit Games, which is like
the Olympics a CrossFit and we always had a really
strong team that got really close to qualifying. So the
plan was for my husband to go to the gym
work out with the team. I was going to spend
time with my mom.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
So you get back from Crescent Bar. What time of
day is it. It's about twelve thirty pm PM. Yes, okay,
and on Mother's Day.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
On Mother's Day, and so your husband heads to the
gym and are you home with the baby and is
anyone else home with you? Yeah, So my mom's there
because we were hanging out and having a little time,
and to be totally transparent, we had a rocky time
and my mom has been through a lot in her

(03:22):
life and that ended up impacting our relationship quite a bit.
So we were putting that to the side and spending
time together. My daughter was there again, she's about seven
months old, so just the three of us, and we
kind of fell into one of our old patterns of
miscommunication and not landing on the same page. And so

(03:44):
she went to her bedroom and was pretty upset and
went to take a shower, and so I was pretty
frustrated with how things were playing out. I was like,
I'm just going to start cleaning up the house. So
my daughter, I put her on the floor. You know,
she's not walking at the time, so she's sitting with
toys on a blanket. And then I just started cleaning

(04:04):
up the house. And that's when, yeah, I started seeing
someone walk up to our front door. And like I said,
no one ever came to our house. We were on
the outskirts of town. People had a hard time finding
our house. People never came. So my first instinct was
to walk to greet the visitor, as we kind of would,

(04:25):
and so I started walking towards the front door. And
it's just so crazy how quickly things really register, because
my mind's going, well, this is weird, like somebody's here. Well,
this is weird. It's Sunday, this is Mother's Day. And
within maybe one or two steps, I realized like the
intensity that this man was walking to the front door with,

(04:48):
and I immediately knew he was not going to be
stopping at the front door. Penny didn't, so he barged
right in and walked right tow towards me, and so
my only instinct was to head towards my daughter. So
I had her on her little blanket right by the couch.
So I turned and I ran towards her, and he

(05:10):
got me right before I got to her. I had
a ponytail. He grabbed me by the ponytail. He yanked
me into him, and then by that time I was
right It was like two or three feet from my daughter.
And so he pulls me into him, presses his body
into me, and bends me over the couch as he's
yanking my head towards him. And to give a description

(05:34):
of him, he was probably six to you know, over
six feet tall. I'm five seven. It's a lot bigger
than I am, probably at least two hundred and fifteen pounds.
He just looked grungy, but it was more so. It
wasn't his physicality, it was his like this energy. He
was so intense. And then he smelt I mean, I

(05:56):
don't even know how to explain the smell. It wasn't
a body order thing. It was like philth disgust. Like
it was so bad. And so he's bending me over
the couch, and all that's going through my mind is like,
I mean, I have no idea who this person is.
We live in a safe place, never seen anybody, so

(06:17):
I'm wondering, you know, is he going to take me?
Is he going to take me and rape me? Is
he going to make me take my daughter? And all
the time I'm kicking and trying to scream. He had
so he's yanking me with his one hand and my
you know, holding my ponytail, and then he took his
other hand and he was covering my mouth. And I'm small,
but like we owned across the gym. I worked really

(06:38):
hard to like keep up with the other really strong
women in my gym, and so I was that is
fairly strong for my size. So I always wondered for
most women, you know, what would we ever do in
this type of situation. And I kind of always say,
like humbling is not the right word, but it is
the word like having somebody, you know, almost one hundred
pounds more than you and so intense. It was like

(07:00):
I didn't know what I could do. He is holding
me there, and then he gets right in my ear
and he says, I won't hurt you. I just want
your money. And I remember just having this like ounce
of relief because thankfully my race of God or whatever
higher power there is, somebody had paid me for a

(07:22):
hoodie at our gym, so I had forty one dollars
of cash, which I never have cash in my wallet,
and so I had this slight sense of relief that, oh,
if he just wants money, I actually have some money
to give him. So I tried to mumble to him
that I have money. So he yanked me up by
my ponytail. He's like basically holding it like it's a leash,
and takes his other hand on my hip and he

(07:43):
walks me to my diaper bag, which was right next
to the front door where he came in. And so
we get to the diaper bag and just everything was
off and like if you want money, like, whuldn't you
just take a big purse, so, you know, and so
waiting for me to sift and find my wallet. Of
course it was the heaviest things that fell to the bottom,

(08:05):
and say, your mom, she's in the shower, she's in
a shower, any of this, yep, yep. I finally find
the wallet and I have one of those zip wallets.
So instead of even just like yanking and taking my wallet, like,
he waits for me to unzip it, and you know,
seconds just feel like forever. So it's just like it
was just weird, and so I take out the money,

(08:26):
I hand it to him, and then he let go
of me, and he stood about three feet in front
of me, and he just stared at me with the
blackest eyes I've ever seen. It's like you see in
the movies of a complete psychopath. He just did not
even seem of this world. And I have always explained

(08:46):
like it was this look of I hate you. And
then he wound up his hand and he smacked me
across the face and I fell down, sprained my ankle,
and that was It's a weird detail. But I looked
back and like if you got money, like, why did
you have to hit me? So he hit me, he turns, walks,

(09:06):
not even runs, just walks out the front door, hops
over our like railing. It was a few feet off
the ground, and he left. I'm screaming now, my daughter's
now screaming. I think I'm swearing.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
The way you described him walking toward the front door.
So just to clarify, you saw him when he was outside,
was there like a window or a uh.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, great question. Our front doors were basically big glass doors.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Okay, yeah, so you saw him and he was walking
you know, quickly or with intention, like aggressively toward your
door and then opened it and went immediately to you.
Did it seem like he just walked into the house
or like he knew you were in there?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, it was like he knew I was in there
because all the rooms kind of like were pretty open,
and I was in the dining room, which was right
in the middle, so almost like right in front of
the door, and so as soon as he walked in,
like I was right there. So yeah, he saw me
right away.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Had you ever seen him before?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
No, I had never. I had no idea who he was.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
So he walks out the door. You go get your baby,
and then what is the next move?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So my mom runs out in a towel wrapped around
her because she heard me screaming you know fff, which
I don't really ever say. And so I first locked
the door immediately, I go get my daughter, and then
my mom's running out at the same time. And then
I started running to every door in our house to

(10:47):
make sure it was locked. And then I think I
must have called my husband first to tell him what happened,
So I called him. He started heading home with our
friend and ConA or the gym and then I called
nine to one to one. And then once the first
cop arrived, like I could see him coming down our
long driveway, I opened the door to you know, make

(11:11):
sure he knew it was the right house. And then
we had, you know, several other cops come too. So
he had a trucker hat, and when he bent me
over the couch, the trucker hat fell off. So that
was like one piece of evidence that I had to
be able to give them.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, and so most of us never find ourselves in
this situation. When the cops arrive, what happens.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
It is a little blurry, like all the moving pieces,
and so I just had to start giving my testimony
to share what happened. And then meanwhile there's cops that
are looking outside for him. They're looking for evidence, and
there's a little bit of woods behind our backyard, and
so they had said, like, oh, there's a little bit

(11:57):
of trampled on place that looks like somebody could have
been hiding here. They found a couple blades of grass
that were like broken. But part of me also knew,
like I just there's something that was like I don't
think they're going to find him. Like he was just
so he wasn't anxious, like he was just.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Intense, almost like he would go and blend in other
than being very smelly. Yeah, and that's not what they're
picking up on, you know, it's the other And they
didn't find a single thing.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
They were probably there for. It was at least four hours,
I want to say, so an aid car came as well,
checked out my ankle and just checked me out. And
then during that time there was something about all the
details of it that again were not adding up and
didn't make sense. And they were trying to say, oh,
you know, homeless people live in the woods area behind

(12:48):
your house because we have a church, few churches that
would do hot meals, and so they're like, you know,
maybe he's here for a hot meal. But that didn't
seem right, and so they had that thought. But I
just was like, something just feels really off. And then
I had this thought that came that was like he's
coming back, he's coming back. And one cop who had

(13:13):
thirty years of experience, was like, you know, I've had
thirty years of experience, nobody's ever came back. Another one
was like, of course they don't have a crystal ball,
but you know, the statistics of somebody coming back are
almost impossible. So they weren't being rude or like trying
to like dismiss me, but they were using logic and
statistics to say that just doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
And do you think that that little voice inside you
that felt that way came from the fact that he,
like Hannah had asked you earlier. It seemed like he
knew you were there, and he seemed like he might
be watching.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, it's not like he came in like looking around.
He came right for me. It came from him waiting
for the wallet like that didn't make sense to me.
It came from the look he gave me, like and
then hitting me, like why did you have to hit me?
That didn't make sense. So I think it was those

(14:09):
those things.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, Yeah, and the fact that he's so unpredictable and
doing these strange things, like I can see how that
would lend you to believe like there's some other motivation here.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, and they think later that maybe like my daughter
who was there, like maybe he didn't expect her to
be there, And so the kind of only working thing
was that that threw him off. And so he left
at that time.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And so the cops are there, you estimate they're there
for four hours. And so what does a person do
after an experience like that, after law enforcement goes home.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
It's so hard because it's like, our homes are our
safe place. I mean, getting attacked anywhere is unacceptable and awful,
but I think in your home, where is supposed to
be your one safe place, that really messes with you,
especially in a place that felt so safe in our neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Tennyson was shaken, still trying to wrap her mind around
what had just happened. She and her family had had
these long standing dinner plans to celebrate. This was her
first Mother's Day as a mom. It's not like this
sounded like fun in the moment, but neither did staying home.
She'd watched her attacker disappear into the woods and knew
that he could be anywhere. There was no right answer,

(15:44):
So we.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Went out to dinner, and even going out to dinner
was awful, and I had to go to the bathroom
and I'm like, well, what if he's at the end
of the hall, like he jumped out of nowhere before
he could jump out of nowhere, again, and then even
just little things that like you're watching people and they're
so happy and they're having so much fun, but inside

(16:05):
you're a complete mess and scared. And then I feel like, oh, well, crap,
now I'm being a wet blanket, Like I'm not fun,
but I'm messed up. So there's a whole bunch of
you know, mixed emotions. So we went to dinner and
then came back home. I spent time, My girlfriend still
came over. We had a couple of glasses of wine.

(16:25):
My husband's in early to bed, I'm going to stay
up late. So he he went to bed earlier than
I did. And he is such a trust the professional guy.
I think part of that is what he does and work,
like you have to trust those who you work with,
and so when they said nobody comes back, like he

(16:46):
believed that. So he went to bed totally fine, where
I was like, how the hell am I going to
go to bed tonight? Like it's dark, it's night. I
can't sleep just thinking about everything, and then also worrying
about this guy coming back. And part of it too,
is like I'm also trying to be like, Okay, I
have this thought, but like everybody's telling me that that

(17:07):
doesn't happen. So then you're trying to not be the
crazy person and you're trying to like go back to normal.
So when I went to bed, I always slept on
the side of the bed that was closest to the door,
so that I could get up to go, you know,
take care of our daughter if I needed to. But
that night I was like, there's no way I'm sleeping
next to the door. So I made my husband switch

(17:28):
sides to the bed with me. We always slept with
waspray on one side of the bed and a Louisville
slugger bat on the other.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
So what time did your friend leave and what time
did you go to bed?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, she left probably around like ten o'clock, ten thirty,
and then I went to bed around probably ten thirty,
cleaned up, and then went to bed. But first, you know,
double checked every single door, every single window, and then
I got back into bed. I'm like, what if I
missed one? So I did it again. And then I
got back into bed and like, I gotta do it again,
So I triple checked. There are a lot of windows

(18:03):
in that house, every single window, every single door, and
then yeah, finally got into bed around ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Earlier that day, after the intruder had left Tennyson's husband,
Kyle had raced home to be with her, and he'd
brought a friend with him for support. So instead of
driving the friend back to his car that night, Kyle
just told him take the truck and he'd get it
back the next day. So Kyle's truck was not in
the driveway that night like it usually was when he
was home.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
So I went to bed around ten thirty again I'm
not sleeping, and I got the baby monitor because we
had one of those video monitors, and so I pulled
it onto my side of the bed and I was like, well,
I'm just going to be watching this because if by
any chance he happens to come, like, I am going
to make sure that if he goes into her room,
I'll see it. And so I was just literally laying

(18:55):
there all night until about one thirty in the morning.
And we had two little Yorky New Yorkshire Terrier dogs
that's up with us in our bed, Lola and Lilly,
and they woke up most nights to go to the bathroom,
which was super annoying, and they did that night so
at about one thirty in the morning, they woke up
wiggling their little bodies just to like say, they needed

(19:17):
to go to the bathroom. And there was no way
I was taking them. I was so scared, so I
felt awful, but I woke up my husband to see
if he would take them out. So he was annoyed.
So he gets up to take them out, and I
told him, I was like, babe, take the bat because
I was so scared, and that was on my side

(19:39):
of the bed, so it would have taken a bit
of extra effort to walk around grab it. So he
grabbed the waspray just to appease me, probably because he
knew I wouldn't stop bugging him to take something. So
he grabs the wasp pray he walks out. So how
our house was set up was there was a one
story house. In the middle of the house, there was
this music room, and then there's like this long hallway.

(20:01):
So he walked out our bedroom door into the hallway
towards the front door, and then just within a few steps,
the dogs started growling, and so he turned to tell
them to shut up because he thought they were going
to wake up. You know, my mom or Lilah. So
he turns and the man is right there in the hallway. Yeah.

(20:27):
So I'm still in bed. I'm not hearing anything. The
dogs like run back into me, you know, they're like nervous,
and they weren't like that. So what my husband said
is he walked into the hallway, turned guys right there.
He immediately exactly like what he did towards me intently,
just belined it straight from my husband. And my husband

(20:49):
was like, oh my god, and immediately knew this was
the man from earlier. And he also pretty much knew, like,
you know, subconsciously, all these details come together so fast.
But it was basically like, this is going to be
a fight for our life. And so guy rushes right

(21:11):
towards Kyle. Kyle starts spraying the was spray at him
and it just pisses them off, and he holds up
his hands and he has gardening gloves duct taped to
his wrists as he's holding them out towards my husband.
And so they start fighting, and when the dogs come
back in, I'm like, well, this is weird. And then

(21:33):
it was just like a few seconds of quiet, and
then I started to hear rustling. So I immediately knew
what was going on. So I jumped out of bed,
grabbed the bat, ran out to the hallway, and by
that time, Kyle And to give a little context of Kyle,
so we owned across the gym. Like he was, you know,
the team captain, so's he was one of the strongest

(21:55):
just physically like strong, but also like endurance wise. And
then he also I'd been a high school wrestler and
then he coached wrestling after so he had that experience.
And then he's a firefighter, so he has experience with
you know, pretty crazy stuff and having to remain calm.
So like, there's one person you wanted in this fight,

(22:18):
like he's the top candidate. So by the time I
got out there, it was crazy. But Kyle had gotten
him in a headlock, so the guy was on all
fours and then my husband's arm was wrapped around the
back of his neck, tucking him down, so his back
was wide open, and you know, I had the bat,

(22:38):
and so I was like, Okay, I'm just going to
slam this thing down on him as hard as a
freaking can. And again I knew I was small, but
now I'm like jacked on adrenalist, and I knew it
was the same person, not just like because who else
would it be, but like you could smell him to
it was the same exact thing. And so I wound
up the bat as hard as I could, and I

(23:00):
slammed it on his back, screaming, you know, f bombs
at him. And so I slammed the bat on him,
and then I do it again. By the sixth time
I slammed it on him, the bat broke into which
is actually crazy. I mean, it was a grown up, wooden,
solid bat, and it looks like what it would in

(23:20):
a baseball game if it, you know, breaks, and it's
got the jagged ends, and so I'm like holding the
broken half that has a jagged end. I'm like, oh
my gosh, like I should stab this in his back,
but I was like, I can't do that, and so
I threw that down. And then the next thing I
could think of was, Okay, well, his hips are high,
like I'll just start kicking him in the balls. So

(23:43):
I go to start kicking him in the balls, but
because I had sprained my ankle from when he hit me,
like it really freakin' hurt. So then I try with
my left foot. That's even more pathetic not doing anything.
So then I look around and I see the can
of was spray that my husband had brought on the
floor and his head is still tucked down.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Can I ask, is your husband kind of struggling with
him the whole time?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
For me, it doesn't look like it's a struggle, but
you know, like in these matches, there's so much intensity
that's happening, and so it's taking everything within him to
keep the upper hand, Like the guy's trying to grab
his balls, break his finger, bite him. So there's a

(24:29):
lot going on down there that I'm not really aware of,
but just so much energy to keep the upper hand.
So they're on all fours, kind of facing each other,
and he's slowly like moving down the living room. So
it doesn't look like much is happening, but so much
is happening in that And even when I broke the

(24:49):
bat on him, like there was no ow, there was
no like you bitch, there there's absolutely no sounds and
my husband was the only one that could hear him,
and it was basically just like growling and grunting.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Wow, So your husband is struggling with him, but currently
still has him in the headlock. You've hit him with
so much force that the bat broke. Now you're kicking in,
but you're realizing your ankle is making that really hard
to use any real force. What do you do next?
And what is the look in your husband's eyes while
all of this is happening. Yeah, so I actually can't

(25:25):
see him at all because he's like to this side
holding the headlock. We're not talking at all.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So at that point I see the waspray, So I
grab the wasp pray because I can tell the guy's
head is tucked down and Kyle's on top of him,
so I could spray it in his face without getting
my husband. So I grabbed the can of waspray. I
crouched down where the guy's head is, and I just
point blank finger on the trigger. I'm spraying waspray literally

(25:52):
right into his eyes, and again, like nothing is happening,
I'm just holding and spraying and spraying. I mean it's
a full can of waspray. I'm just holding that. And
then we're slowly moving still down the hallway and nothing's
going on through Like I didn't wasn't even thinking of
anything else. And then my husband which you know, I've

(26:15):
never heard in my entire marriage with him, relationship with
him was like Tenny, I need help. It was Yeah,
it was just like a light switch flipped in my
brain because again I've never heard him say those words
for anything, let alone something physical, and so it was

(26:38):
an immediate knowing that there needed to be something more
drastic than what we were doing. So I dropped a
can of waspray and I ran to the kitchen. And
by that time, my mom had heard me dropping f
bombs and screaming when I had hit him with the bat,
So she ran out, and my husband was able to

(27:01):
say Roslin like call nine one one, and so she
came back out and she was on the phone with
nine one one. So then I go to the kitchen
and we had two big kitchen you know, ten inch
kitchen knives. One was flimsy and not great and one
was sturdy and really solid, and so I took the
time to grab both of them just to make sure

(27:22):
they didn't get switched. And I had the better of
the two. I got the knife and I walked back
out and his back was still wide open, and I
started stabbing him. I stabbed him four times. And then
on the fourth time, I pull out the knife and
there's like this chunk of the knife missing. You know,
I'm so on adrenaline that you almost like don't even

(27:44):
know what you're doing. And so when I pulled it out,
I saw the chunk of a blade missing, this solid knife.
I'm like, this is crazy, Oh my gosh. But then
I just kept stabbing him again. It was just like
nothing was working, and so it just felt like he
was never going to be stopped. And so by the
eighth time I stabbed him, my husband was like, Tenny, stop,

(28:09):
and so I paused for a second because he could
tell his breathing had shifted to agnal breathing, which is
basically end of life. So he let the guy fall
to his back on the floor, and then I stabbed
him once more in the gut, and then my husband's like, Tenny, stop,
and so I stopped. My mom's on the phone with

(28:31):
nine one one as I'm doing this, So I stop,
and he crawls on the guy because just like me,
it was like, is he going to get back up?
He's like it felt like he could resurrect any second
and keep resuming, And that started the initial investigation.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
So do the cops arrive within moments of no.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
No, she had only she only got on the phone
with the cops maybe like a minute and a half
before this happened. If that, she's screaming into the phone
when I'm doing it, you know, she's stabbing him. She's
stabbing him. And so as soon as I'm done, they
asked to pass the phone to me, and then they
asked my name and how old I am and where's

(29:14):
the knife? And so there's a lot of just conversation
with the dispatcher to can you set the knife down,
and like, I don't want to set the knife down.
I'm too scared to set the knife down. So there
was that, and then they had dispatched by that point.
But again, it takes a while to get to our house,
so it took about eight minutes before you know, they

(29:34):
actually arrived.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
And meanwhile, the intruder's now laying on his back and
your husband has climbed on top of him just to
be extra cautious, and he's dying.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, are you witnessing that? Well, it was like, I mean,
it was completely dark in the house. There's like it's
literally almost like the movies are just moonlight like we
and we had recess lighting in our hallway, so that
was already dim, but nobody went to turn lights on anything,
So I honestly don't even think I saw his face

(30:06):
that entire second time. Yeah, so it.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Takes about eight minutes for law enforcement to get to
your house. In that eight minutes, do you turn on lights?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I was coached by the dispatch to bring the knife
to the kitchen, so I think I was maybe in there,
and then I came back to the living room just
to stand by my husband. He got on the phone
with nine one one, and it's trying to help explain
to them how to get to the house. Listening to
the nine one calls, I can hear myself like when

(30:49):
he's on the phone with nine one one, I'm talking
to my mom and like explaining what happened a little
bit of course, freaking out and crying and shaking and
like I killed somebody. I think when I reflect back
on that time, you're just in total shock, and also
like I just did something that people go to jail
for the rest of their lives for doing. And then

(31:12):
eventually the cops get there, and then medics come and
I didn't realize this at the time, but you know,
their job is to tend to the worst hurting individual,
which was him, and so they were giving him CPR,
which I just remember being like, what are you doing? Like,
we just did all this work to stop him, Why

(31:32):
are you doing that? I mean, we were now murder suspects,
and so we were held there and then had to
essentially wait for detectives to come. Now, this is a
crime scene. You were held at your home, yeah, and
never handcuffed, but basically, like there was a bench in
the front entryway, and so just Kyle and I we

(31:52):
were sitting at the bunch and then my mom went
to go check on our daughter and she was still sleeping,
thank gosh. So she basically just stayed in the room
with my daughter as now law enforcement to start swarming
in and detectives, and eventually the lead detective came. I
don't know like how long it took her to get there,

(32:14):
and we had to each individually go to her car
to give our testimony. And I think it must have
been obvious to them that it was self defense because
we were never handcuffed, we were never treated like any
other way of just like they were so kind. And
I remember one point like just sitting there, and we

(32:34):
were sitting there for a while, and I'm just you know,
I'm covered in blood. It's drying on my shorts, it's
drying on my body. Like I felt so disgusting, covered
in his blood and just even him, you know. And
so I asked if I could take a shower, and
they got approval from a detective to let me shower,

(32:54):
and like a cop walked me to the shower, or
he walked me to get clothes, walked me to the bathroom,
and then I go in and he was going to
stand outside, and I just remember thinking, like, that's so
nice of them to stand outside so that I feel comfortable.
But they're not standing there for my comfort. They're standing
there because I just killed somebody, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Tennyson and Kyle had been in a fight for their life.
It was almost an out of body experience. This had
all happened at around one thirty in the morning, and
then hours of questioning followed. Tennison had an open wound
just from the friction from holding the knife, and Kyle's
knees were rubbed completely raw from being dragged across their

(33:36):
living room floor as he struggled with their attacker. They
were both in need of medical attention.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
So yes, we went to the hospital and then the
infectious disease doctor to run tests, and then it was
back to we now went to Kyle's parents' house to
figure out, Okay, well what does this mean? Now? Where
do we go? How do we even navigate all of
the moving pieces of now a murder investigation, complete trauma,

(34:02):
you know, we didn't even want to be in a
car alone, So thinking of like how do we run
our business? You know, so we're running our business, we
have our daughter, we have we're building a house, my mom,
there's a crime scene. There's just so much to figure out,
and so it was kind of almost just like one
hour at a time. And the detective, she was just amazing,

(34:26):
Like I think she is a special person in my
life who I don't know what it would have looked
like without her, but she just was incredible. It was
so clear it was self defense, and they quickly got
that the evidence from the hat matched the guy, so
that all checked out.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
It was quickly determined that Tennis and Kyle were acting
in self defense and they soon also learned the identity
of this man who had invaded their home not once,
but twice in twenty four hours. His name was Ken Boonstra,
a white male about put to age forty eight.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And we did find out a couple days later, like
he had a camera on him, he had a tripod,
he had duct tape, he had a flashlight, and again
circling back like this was the only night my husband
has been home when his truck wasn't So it's pretty
clear his intention that evening. And as they started to

(35:24):
investigate him, he had a YouTube channel which since has
been taken down that was just it was all misogynistic
rants about how evil and awful women are, that were
the scum of the earth. Where are serpents? We were
just made to destroy men, We need to be destroyed.
And as they started looking into his family, like apparently

(35:46):
he went through a pretty bitter divorce and then it
was after his divorce that he pretty much spiraled. So
even like his family was scared of him, and he
had said like he thought monkeys drug him down his
trailer and aliens drug him back. And when they ran
the toxicology report, which did not surprise me at all,

(36:07):
there was nothing, no drugs, no alcohol, no anything, which
people kind of assumed that would be the case. But
I just again, thinking back to the first incident, it
seemed like something else. And so their theory is that
he essentially had a psychotic break and he might have
saw me somewhere at like a Starbucks or the grocery store,

(36:29):
and something about me maybe reminded him of his wife,
and obviously he had so much hatred towards women, and
so that was what they think the motive was.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Were they ever able to determine when he first sort
of zoned in on you or they just thought's their
sort of best maybe?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Guess they weren't. Yeah, they found, like I said, in
the woods behind their house. They said, there was some
ground that had been rampled on, but there was no
like indication of how long it had been and no
lead to where he saw me.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, were they able to figure out how he got
into your home?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's a great question. No, they weren't. The front door,
I locked it and I pulled on it to make
sure and it didn't budge. It was a weird lock.
Sometimes it wouldn't go all the way through. But even
when I tried, I couldn't open it. So I mean,
I think they think he somehow got the lock open.

(37:33):
They found like blades of grass, and like there was
a bathtub by a window by my in my mom's bedroom,
but she never used that bathtub and she would always
wear shoes, and so that didn't make sense. But yeah,
the thought is the front door. Some my sister she
sometimes lived there in and out, like she thinks that
maybe he was hiding in a room like that he

(37:55):
actually never left, but that didn't make sense because our
dogs were there and they would have, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
And then did anyone that the man the attacker, you know,
you kind of filled us in on his story and
that he had probably had some kind of mental break
and had been fostering this kind of like rage and
anger against women for quite a while, to the point
where he isolated his family members. Did anyone that he

(38:21):
had known in his life ever reach out to you?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I will say his ex wife reached out to me
a few years ago, and it was very kind and
very supportive, and she just felt so bad, and so
she even talked about connecting and maybe meeting up sometime,
and I just wasn't quite there yet.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Did your response to hearing this man who had terrified
you earlier that day understandably? So did your response to
then seeing him again in your house struggling with your
husband surprise you sorry?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
My response to him being there like.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
The fact that I think it would be equally easy
to understand if you grabbed your baby and ran out
of the house.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh okay, No, I mean I think I'm seeing my
husband fight him.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm going to help, like you jumped into action.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, to be there was actually no processing of grabbing
my daughter, Like I knew she was in a safe place, right,
and I think I subconsciously knew how dangerous this man was.
Like again, somebody's not in your house twelve hours later
in the middle of the night to steal some jewelry,

(39:40):
you know, like there is some intention there, and I'm
not cognitively piecing all that together, but you subconsciously, And
so it was just like I think it was assumed
I needed to do whatever I could to help Kyle.
One thing to say too, that I really commend Kyle
for is everybody focus on me and what I did.

(40:01):
I get it, But him asking for help was a
pivotal moment in that night, and I think, I mean,
we all struggle with asking for help. I think sometimes
men more so. But if he hadn't asked for help,
I do not think like all of the intuition and
instinct that had felt that day would have kicked in

(40:24):
to know for me to do what I did next.
And so again I go back to like, we both
need each other. We both did it, we were both
a team.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
You know, what does life look like after something like
this happens.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
It was the hardest experience of my life. So that
day that you know, we basically come home from the
infectious disease doctor and Kyle gets a call from his
fire department that was basically like, hey, Kyle, you know,
within thirty minutes of us learning about what happened, your

(41:00):
shifts are covered for three months. So his fellow firefighters
volunteered to take his shifts so he could have three
months off, which was just incredible. And so we moved
in with my in laws in the home essentially that
my husband grew up in, and it was about fifteen
minutes from the house where this happened, and it was

(41:21):
a small house, but there was nowhere to go our
new house that we were building. I mean, we had
just poured foundations, so there was nothing to move into.
So we knew we had about seven more months to
build our house, so we moved in with them. They
immediately installed a security system. I mean we didn't even,
I think, drive anywhere by ourselves for the first two weeks.

(41:43):
My in laws drove us to the grocery store, drove
us to the bank. I mean, you're completely traumatized. You
can't sleep. My in laws had a guest bedroom which
was like on the opposite side of their house and
had its own bathroom, and we're like, don't think we
can sleep there, And so we pulled a mattress into
my in law's bedroom and we slept there for three months,

(42:06):
which was crazy. I loved my in laws, but you know,
it's a wild thought to think of sleeping next to
your in laws. You know, walking down a hallway, I
just expect that a door is going to open and
somebody's going to attack me. It gets really draining when
you're not getting any sleep. Your body's on overdrive all
the time, you're facing an investigation, you're building a house,

(42:28):
you have a seven month old daughter. Things were complicated
with my mom I'm living with my in laws in
a space that's you know, not really my space. And
at one point we were told to go to the
doctor and my doctor prescribed me xanax, and I was
terrified to take that. I'd never seen anything like that before,
but I was struggling, so I got on xanax pretty quickly,

(42:50):
and that helped during the day, like even just driving
in a car, like if I saw someone past me
that wasn't expected, I'd get shivers all down my body everywhere.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
The trauma from what happened that day impacted everyday tasks
that used to be automatic, like just closing up their gym,
something Tennis and Kyle used to be fine doing alone
was now impossible. They also had a friend who set
up a GoF on me to help provide them with
a highly trained protection dog. The couple knew they couldn't
face this alone and they sought out professional help.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
We had been advised to go to trauma center in
Seattle that you know, was like the best of the best,
and we very quickly started meeting with their trauma therapists
there too, And what they prescribed really is called exposure therapy,
so expose yourself to the thing that you're most terrified of,
which for me was sitting in like just being in

(43:45):
a room alone. And so very quickly I started doing
exposure therapy, where I'd have to sit in a bedroom
literally people are right outside the door and you have
to expose yourself to it for twenty minutes and then
rate yourself. And the idea is that as you say
in it and you know you know, nothing happens, then
your body comes down and starts to learn it's okay.

(44:05):
So we both did that. Kyle did it, staying up
later than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
The exposure therapy was starting to work, but it wasn't
a quick fix. Tennison and Kyle took everything one day
at a time, and after seven months they moved into
their newly built home.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Life continued.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
But for Tennyson, this idea that this stranger she'd never
even noticed had fixated on her and carried out this
calculated attack.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
It was so scary.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
All she'd done was exist, and somehow that had been
enough to provoke him. It made everyone she didn't know
feel like a threat.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I think on the outside I totally looked normal and happy,
but like the internal experience of being paralyzed by fear
everywhere you go. You know, there was never an understanding
of why. Necessarily me, I never knew what I did.
So I almost like even going to the grocery store,

(45:03):
and if i'd pass a man, I'm like, Okay, I
don't want to smile like too big because I don't
want to lead him on. But then if I look mad,
will I upset him. So it's been a long road,
and even like you know, this is twelve years later,
I still find myself double checking locks. I still analyze

(45:24):
every person, but about and kind of going backwards, Like
five years after the event, I thought I was doing
really well, and then I was interviewed on Tony Blauer's podcast,
which I don't know if you know who he is,
but he's incredible in the self defense world. And by
the end of it, like he had picked up on
a lot of cues that like I was not maybe

(45:45):
doing as well as I thought I was, And so
he asked me if I wanted to connect with a
therapist he knew, and I was like, okay, yeah, anybody,
anybody you recommend, And so I connected with that therapist
and from the first call, I was like, oh my Gosh,
this person is different. And he was so kind and
so compassionate, and like took time to explain my nervous system,

(46:09):
which was shocking to me because in five years and
probably seeing at least four therapists, nobody had explained to
me my nervous system, which is crazy. And so him
even just explaining that gave me like compassion towards myself
because I was like, now I understand why I'm experiencing

(46:32):
the things I'm experienced that I can't control. I can't
just think I'm safe, like my body does not feel safe.
And eventually I got my nervous system to calm down,
and then that led me to realizing other things in
my life that I wasn't aware of that were at play,
like perfectionism and people pleasing. And so this event really

(46:53):
became a catalyst for me not just to heal from
this event, but to heal these other things that I
had no idea were really holding me back from really
being my true self. And began this journey of self
exploration and yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Wow, sometimes it's really just like finding the right therapist
or right person and can take such a long time
the healing journey, and it I'm so glad that you
spoke about that. So it strikes me that you and
your husband went through this together. Obviously you had, you know,
your own experiences, and you know, you pointed out the
differences even though you were a team that you know,

(47:33):
you were really the person that was targeted. I'm wondering,
you know, and I don't want to create the narrative
for you, but I'm just really curious how you see that,
you know, the fact that you went through this trauma together.
How was that experience informative on you know, the healing process.
Was that a collaborative thing or what was that?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Like, it's crazy the things that happened that night, that
happened exactly as they did for the outcome to be
what it was, you know, exactly when my dogs woke up,
the fact that Kyle's car wasn't there. And so I
really do think, and this might sound really freaking cheesy,
but like there was so much gratitude that we were
all safe and okay and honestly that he was gone.

(48:18):
So I think that was the layer of it. But
when you're so close to like losing each other, like
so close, that was such a bonding thing. For both
of us. It was really the later years where like
because in the beginning we both struggled very similarly. But
it's been in the more later years where I have

(48:41):
struggles when maybe he doesn't. But then we still have
some similar struggles too, Like we just went on our
first family vacation, just the four of us, eleven years
after the event.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And so this, you know, you've been on this healing journey.
This happened, like you said, twelve years ago, and you
recently wrote a book. I would love for you to
tell us more about it.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Thank you. Yeah, you know, I never intended to write
a book about it. You know, media focuses on the
sensationalism of a story, which I understand, but I think
what's so beautiful and intriguing and interesting and inspiring is
when we can see how somebody rebuilds after that, so
we can see ourselves in that. And so I eventually

(49:24):
was like, I need to share my story of again
after and it's not just about healing from PTSD. It
was about running into these you know, little t traumas
that it exposed me to and being able to apply
the work that I learned with my therapist Jeff in
the nervous system to these other things. And I love

(49:45):
a good self development personal development book. I've read them
all so much. I don't like but here's your five
steps of healing. Here's ten steps of healing. You know,
I learn through listening to story and you know, taking
that wisdom and insight and then being able to like
see they can do it. And so that is the
intention of the book, is to share our story in

(50:08):
my words and then the path after and hope that
whoever is reading it can you know, find themselves in
their own way, because what I have learned is even
though my experience is unique, we've all gone through something
and at the root our similar feelings and emotions and struggles,
and so everyone can find themselves in that.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
What's your book called? I don't think you mentioned the title.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
The Mother of All Days?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
The Mother of all Days. Part of what we were
thinking so much about when we developed this show is
like this idea that when you're the victim of a crime,
you're dropped into the story that then you have to
go and finish. But like you didn't start it. And
I think you know what you just said about like
the purpose behind your book really speaks so much to

(50:57):
like when we watch people rebuild is when we really
see ourselves and others. And I just really appreciate you
sharing all of that with us.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Thank you so much. They appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Wow. What an interview with Tennyson.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
That was so intense, And you know, we were listening
to her retelling it years after the thought, so I
can only imagine how it feels to have lived it.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
I can't imagine. It was. Yeah, very visual, very intense,
and very touching to me. So I'd never heard of
this story. You found it? What is your connection to Tennyson? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
This was when I didn't come across it in any
sort of research rabbit Hole. My friend Laura actually worked
with Tennyson at one point during when this happened, So
she told me about the story and I went ahead
and reached out.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I'm so glad that Tennyson agreed to speak with us.
There's so much that we actually want to get into
to talk about in this outro. There were so many
points in this story that brought up other rabbit Hole
conversations that you and I were just like, oh my gosh,
what about this? What about this? I mean, one of
the major things is just the overt like violence against

(52:08):
women that you see on full display here, and how
truly horrible and terrifying that is that this random man
targeted her like she's literally done nothing wrong and then
was attacked in her own home.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I mean, not many of us experience having someone invade
her home and physically attack us. But that moment in
the interview when she talked about walking through a grocery
store and giving a second thought to every interaction she
had with a man. Did I look at him? Was
I too friendly? Was I not friendly enough? I mean
that is a universal feeling for most women.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, and usually it's like maybe this feeling of being uncomfortable,
but for her like is connected to like such physical
violence that Yeah, it's really scary. You found an article
that gave a little more information about out the investigation.
What did you find out in that article?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Well, you know this person, Ken Boonstra. I think Tennyson
mentions that they never quite figured out why he pinpointed her,
when it happened or where, which is scary in and
of itself. But he had gone through a really difficult
divorce and it seems like mentally deteriorated in some way

(53:25):
had some sort of mental health issue that wasn't being
treated despite his family's attempts to help, and so he
was estranged from them. He was posting a lot on
YouTube about you know, nonsensical, very hateful rants against women,
and probably hallucinations he was having. It sounds like, you know,
but he was a father of five and at one

(53:48):
point gainfully employed and happily married, and so his life
fell apart, and he fell apart too. You know, there's
no excuse for what happened. Was one of the some
of the things that we thought so much about in
the edit is balancing Tennison's very authentic fear and experience

(54:09):
in her husband's very authentic fear and experience with the
fact that, you know, this is someone's father and someone's
son and he's.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
On having a mental health crisis, a mental.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Health crisis, and so we had so many conversations throughout
this editing process for those reasons.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, one of the things in line with that that
really sticks out to me about Tennyson's telling of this
story is this fear that she had, even after it
was clear he was not physically capable of fighting. Once
they had, like you know she'd stabbed him. There was
this intense fear that she felt that at any moment

(54:48):
he could pop back up and attack her again. Even
after he had been taken out of the house, she's showering,
you know, days months later, this intense fear that she
had that suddenly he would appear. And we've heard that
before from different people we've interviewed. I'm just thinking about
Jackie's interview. Jackie, who was survivor of a hijacked plane

(55:09):
and you know, months later, is back in the States,
but still feeling like the hijacker is around the corner.
And so I think that that just is a very
real experience that people have, especially when they're victims of
a very violent crime.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Right It's like in her in her husband's you know,
rational minds, they knew that he had died and he
would not be back, but the fear lives in your body.
This being alone in your home once felt safe and
you know, you don't even need to lock your doors,
and now you wonder, did I look at someone the
wrong way? Are they coming to get me for some
reason I'll never know. You know, he showed up with

(55:46):
gloves on and supplies that someone might have with them
if they had a really bad plan in mind, and
a lot of our decisions about what to leave in
despite maybe the graphic nature of the tape was because
because it was fair to her, because you know, this
person ends up dying. But she did this in self
defense totally, and that's part of her story.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So Tennyson mentioned that they had both a baseball bat
and wasp spray by their bedside just in case. Her
husband worked as a firefighter, you probably see a lot,
and so she had him bring that wasp spray when
the dogs initially woke up, just in case. We did
a little research and it looks like waspspray is not

(56:31):
necessarily thought to be effective on humans, although it functions
sort of like pepper spray. With wasps, you're better off
with just pepper spray. If you're thinking that it's to
be a self defense mechanism, that's great to know.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yeah, I wanted to do a quick shout out to
Lola and Lily. They're two little dogs that did not
do anything to protect them, but you know, had to
get up and go to the bathroom in the middle
of the night. This is the whole reason they got
out of bed, that her husband got out of bed.
You know, we just we loved dogs, the Yorkies.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Well there was that moment and the tape when I
was like, wow, so did they like sense that he
was in the house and started barking? And she was
like no, they just had to go out every night
at like one point thirty.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
It was really good noise, literally what they do every
single night. Oh my god. Wow, they've since gotten a
bigger dog, which wasn't talked about feeling like as part
of her healing process. But I was like, well, you know,
the Yorkies at least they had to pee, and that
did play a role in this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I mean they they went back to bed, the Yorkies.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, I know, we're out of here.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah. That was the moment of levity in otherwise pretty
heavy interview. Yeah, and then there was the sort of
mystery that remains is how did he get back into
the house because we know from Tennyson that when they
went to dinner that night, when they made that decision, Okay,
we're gonna stick to the plan. We're going to go
have this family dinner, they're triple checking. They're locking all

(57:58):
the windows, they're locking all the as we would, and
then they come back and before she goes to bed,
she does it all again and then does.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
It multiple times, which is exactly what I would do too. Yeah,
she's checking every single window lock, she's checking all the doors,
She's making sure this house is secure. Yeah, and investigators
said that there was no sign of forced entry.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Right, So it's like, well, she said her sister speculated
maybe he was in the house the whole time, but
you know, she thought maybe that was unlikely.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I guess it's possible. It's pretty creepy. Well, we talked
about this, like the dogs. The dogs would have potentially
smelled him or known that he was there.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
It sounds like he had a strong scent and would
have been hard for him to go unnoticed.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yes, and then there's the fact that you know, Kyle's
body had taken his truck. So normally when Kyle was home,
his car was always in the driveway. That evening, Kyle
was home and his truck was not in the driveway,
which it sounds like it was incredibly unusual. So you
have to speculate that if you were case the house,
he would think, oh, he's not home, I'm going to
come back and take advantage of the fact that this

(59:05):
like CrossFit man is not in the house.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Right. Yeah, I mean I loved that moment of Tennison explaining,
like I think, in her words said it sounded cheesy.
I didn't think it sounded cheesy. There was this intense
feeling of gratitude, this really strong feeling of gratitude after
it happened, because oh my god, we're all alive, we're
all safe, the police are here. This could have gone
so differently. And then you know her husband, who is

(59:32):
less featured in all of the press about what happened
that came out when it did happen, but he is
in this full body engagement struggle with this man for
many minutes before.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I think it was like.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
In one of the articles said three to five minutes
before Tennison came out into the hallway. And if you
think about the physical stamina that that requires, and then
for it to have continued, I mean, he was the
man for the job, totally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yeah. I liked how Tennyson made sure to give him
a shout out for asking for help, which I think
is so important and wonderful and one of the things
that I found really sweet about her story was unfortunately
tragically they both went through this horrible thing together, but

(01:00:21):
then it really brought them closer. So many times we
hear stories about a person individually going through something traumatic
and have heard many times about how that can make
their relationship difficult because they're dealing with the trauma and
they're trying to heal from it. And in this case,
they went through it together and we're so much a
team in getting out of it and saving their own lives.

(01:00:41):
And then sounds like they really like banded together through
the healing process, which I think is really beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I mean so many people I think also just anecdotally,
and you know, we hear about men being less willing
to seek out therapy or those types of resources, and
it sounds like as a family, they really sought out
professional help and stayed on that journey until, like she said,
they're in a place they recently went on their first

(01:01:06):
solo vacation as a family, which is so amazing and we.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Love it, Yeah, love it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
There was so much happening in that interview, and we
do so many interviews, but that was like, that was
one that will stick with me for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Mm hmm same. Well that was our interview and we
will see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And me Paytia Eaton. Our producers are Tom Bryfogel and
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Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
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