Josh Pate Breaks Down CFP First Round W/ Will Compton & Taylor Lewan + Michigan Head Coach Search

Welcome back to The Locker Room with Josh Pate, Will Compton, & Taylor Lewan! This week, we dive into Michigan’s coaching search Oklahoma VS. Alabama, Texas A&M VS. Miami, Oregon VS. JMU, and CFP structure issues. New episodes every Wednesday at 6:00 PM CT. 

 

Timestamps:

0:00 Open

1:45 Michigan Coaching Search

16:33 Oklahoma VS. Alabama

24:13 Texas A&M VS. Miami

31:46 Oregon VS. JMU

34:37 CFP Structure Issues

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:47):
What a weekend? Where do we even start? Because I'm curious.
I know you put out a video. I'm curious to
also dive into some some Michigan talk about what even
the hell you guys are going to do because it
seems like the entire operation and plan some of the
strategy had in place just all went to ship within
a total of like an hour to the public.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Eye, I one hundred percent agree, and I am the
public eye, So I like to believe that Michigan has
a better game plan than hey. Hopefully Kilin Debor loses
to Oklahoma and we'll get him and if not killing
Dillingham's chomping at the bit to leave his alma mater
in a place he loves more than anything to come
to Michigan. I'm hoping the thought process will went a

(02:28):
little more farther than that. If you and we talked
about this on the bus, if you're a top five program,
you want to sit there and like we hear with
ed EDDIEO when he's with LSU getting an interim head
coach job, he's meeting somebody at a gas station. There's
burner phones involved, like we have to cover all bases.
If you're the ad, if this happens, this happens, you're
always ready for every circumstance. So if something happens that

(02:49):
seems catastrophic, got your answers. My thought process in the
Michigan thing is this if sorry, sorry, I just I
know last week you had this strategy and I was
bought into it.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Like there's a strategy out there, and now the strategy
is just pure hope, like you're just hoping everything's okay.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Strategies Pio, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna talk as if
the only game Pan was Kailin de Borg Kenydingham. Because
if your thought process, if you're Michigan, is those are
two guys, then it's everybody else, which there's great coaches
out there that could take this job and be very successful.
I have no doubt in that. But if thats the
Michigan thought process, why would you in your mind settle
them for somebody else and just kick the can down

(03:29):
the road of the issues you already have, hoping that
this person's be successful when there's other two you know
would be successful. So for me, it's Biff Pogi. The
thought process is twenty twenty six. Say hey, we're gonna
go a bit for the year. You frame it as
we have a lot more issues than just to the
head coaches. Be the person Michigan. It's great for PR

(03:50):
You get your president in place who knows what happens
to the ward manual, whether he is the guy he
is not the guy. Clearly seems like the ball has
been fumbled with football, But if you look at every
other sport at Michigan, which is the athletic director, not
the football director. They're doing a very good job on
mat and so maybe he stays he doesn't, but foundationally
Michigan needs a whole lot more than just we have
a head coach. Now we ever answer, cause the last

(04:12):
five years have not been ideal other than a national championship.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, so you would think in a I'm not going
to say a perfect world, within the framework of this situation.
In a perfect world, you knew that the Sharon fire
firing was coming from a long way away, so you
had your ducks in a row. They didn't know the
Sharon firing was coming.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
There were rumors I heard him, You heard him.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
We talked about him a dozen times during the season,
but we never knew, like, are we sure they're going
to fire him? As it turns out, because they went
what nine to three regular season, I don't think they
were going to fire him until it all hit the
fan the week after the Ohio State game, and then
you've got an entire investigation and then they are firing him.
But the thing about it is, I'm convinced that Michigan

(04:54):
folks woke up the Sunday of that week, not expecting
to conduct a coaching search. Because of that, they had
to scramble a plan together. And because they had to
scramble a plan together, just like Penn State a few
months earlier, there were a certain number of candidates that
would be obvious, yes, don't even need to get approval

(05:14):
for type guys. In Penn State's case, that was Marcus Freeman,
that was Kaylin.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Guys like that.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
And then once they quickly Mike Elko was another one.
Once they realized we're not getting those guys. Okay, those
are like the peak of the mountain. Then the mountain
gets really really wide, really really quick towards the base.
More people get involved, more voices, more sign offs, more
checks and balances. So with Michigan, once you realize, like
you said, this happened in like an eight hour span,
once you realize it's probably not Kaylan. I don't think

(05:41):
it ever was. But once you firmly realize it's not Kaylin,
then Kenny says, no, I'm staying home. You're kind of
back to square one. You always like to think somewhere
behind that curtain, they're just a bunch of mad scientists
and they're five steps ahead of us, and they've got
a master plan, and if that master plan doesn't work out,
it's got several side roads of contingency plans and will
be good. It's just a bunch of people who have

(06:03):
very very little idea of what tomorrow may bring trying
to conduct a coaching search.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, here's the problem. Is based on the reports that
have come out since Sharon got fired, is apparently allegedly
this was brought to the athletic department in the summertime.
Those are the reports that are being set on Twitter.
Whether it's true or it's not, let's just say it
is true. If you are the people making decisions at
the top and you're like, hey, where to conduct this search,

(06:27):
a piece of you, an alarm has to go off
of if there's validity to this, and the road would
be to fire him. What is our contingency plan.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
That would be if you are the athletic director in
this case, we don't know that the AD is the
one running.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
The search, right because it seems like there's multiple camps
buying for the top spot to make the decision at
the University of Michigan. That's where I sit there and
I'm like, yeah, Biff is. If Biff's sat here right now,
he would say, I'm not the long term answer for Michigan.
What do you take the job? Yes, absolutely, he knows
he's not the long term answer. Michigan knows and the
fan base knows. But if you're in the position you

(06:59):
are in now with the coaching cycle, it's pretty much
all the way gone through, and the two guys you
thought you had a real shot with that you believed
was of Michigan caliber, which is debatable at this point,
they're no long on the table. It's like, well, there's
gonna be a whole new coaching cycle next year. There's
gonna be job availabilities that we didn't see coming, just
like we saw this year. There's gona be big names
that are back in there, and why not be in

(07:20):
the front of the line for next year as opposed
to back the line you have a year of uncertainty.
Who knows? Like how boosters get behind a donors because
there's a level of Michigan arrogance in the donor category
where it's like, regardless of who the head coaches, we
want to be competitive. They're willing to put money in
and be like, hey, if you're the guy, get the
players you want the players you can get, and let's

(07:42):
be as competitive possible against a gautlet of a schedule.
And now you're in the middle of October, you're seeing
the board more clearly. You have a better foundation for
Michigan and you're able to go this is our guy
as opposed to a Russian because today is December twenty
second when we're shooting this, I got a Christmas shot
the same. The players either today, tomorrow, yesterday, are going

(08:03):
to go on Christmas break. You are absolutely foolish if
you think these kids are going to go home open
presence with their family and not here and have a
million conversations about what's revolved around them in the football building.
And guys are going to get in their air. You
can go here, you can go there. Tampering period is
crazy right now, but now you're away from your main
storyline and you're talking.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
To now your parents are tampering with you exactly.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
They know all the money could possibly Yet this is
going to be a very tough Christmas break for Michigan fans,
myself included.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Ah, losing is not that bad, Wow, losers not that
bad like you'll have to deal with weight loss, you
have to deal with muscle turning into fat, you have
to deal with some short term pains that you'll have
to deal with shaved heads. But then you can direct

(08:53):
your anger toward other teams and other fan bases and
other chaos, and then you just sit back and realize
this is just a game. It's just a game at
the end of the day. And then you just you
gear up for next season. Can you give me one?
Can you give me one second gear for next season?
But we're gonna take it all.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Can you give me a time out? We're gonna put
you in the little old box real quick as soundproof.
I don't want to end up like that. Yeah, I
do not want to become Oh that is you can't
hear us, so you can see.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
Tell you something that used to be Will Compton?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, that used to Did you see his eyes?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I got bags under my eyes right now.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
He's got bags under his eyes right And it's like
it's like a doll's eyes, like a shark size.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
They're just they're just glassed over. They're looking off into space.
What is he looking at me?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Or Jupiter?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
What is he looking at exactly he was talking to me,
but seeing through me, I do not want to become that.
His silver lining to me was, you can direct your
anger somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Do you remember the fall? Do you remember week zero,
week one?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And you know what's fucked up? Josh Is. I'm so
glad I can't hear us. When we get on the
bus in March, he's gonna pull up the schedule and
he's gonna tell me. He's gonna look me in the eyes.
You're gonna say ten and two. He's gonna say ten
and two again. And being his friend, I'm gonna say, yeah,
you're right, I'm riding with you, and if I ever
go against it, all, all of a sudden, the bad
guy m in the trenches. The anger is getting directed

(10:18):
at me when I'm just trying to look at my boy.
But hey, all the things you just said, I've kind
of said to you. But anyway, I'm worried about him.
I don't come that. So let's let him. Should we
let him back out of the box.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
I am.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I'm gonna do everything I can for you, Okay, I
need that. I'm gonna do everything I can for you.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
My only hope, my only wish is we can go
back in time and when Will was starting this journey
with Nebraska, you were there to be there the way
you're gonna be there for me.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I stayed in the Foxhold as long as I could,
as long as because.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's not built for everybody, because there's a lot of
question marks are revolving around Michigan. But like your three,
Matt Ruhle.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Like even Dylan left.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, what happened that man?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
We're building the program?

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Is he reading our lips? He's talking in there. I
see him talking in.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
There, doing something.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Anyway, let's get him out of it. I'm sure he's
running out of air. You're back.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm not runn out of air.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm just I'm running off a strictly caffeine and Greek yogurt.
I found out about sixteen ounces of it. It's all
I'm running on. I got a kid at home right
now with one hundred and three fever.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
You gotta scratch on your neck.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I gotta stretch scratch on my neck for my one
year old. It's just a game.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
It's just a.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I don't want to become. I'm excited. You have to
hear that, because we weren't just talking about you. We
had a couple of other things, But I really don't
want to become what you're doing right now.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
This this this went from we're going in tonight and
someone's not coming back alive.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's just a game.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
We would have if we die, We died. Why are
we taking so serious? That's that's that's me. Soon if
Michigan can't figure.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
It out, you're one or two more no's away from him.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And if I could just go back in time and
talk to somebody that's making a decision, be like, just
call Kenny right now and offer him the job. Because
him being a press conference saying they never offered me
the job. We knew that, but why not?

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah, that was what was funny.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
The whole time he was playing everybody.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
I don't do you know why? I don't think he
want to address that. My eyes or watering. Well. So
a lot of people are saying what you just said.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
A lot of people think, oh, man, Kenny and his
agent just played Michigan.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
No they didn't.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
We were like you, now that this is over, you
talk with Kenny several times throughout this, did you not?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I talked with Kenny Dillingham like five or six times
throughout this. I know Kenny's agent very well. When most
people were speculating that they already had an offer and
they were negotiating with Michigan, he had never even talked
to him.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
And I don't mean that.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Thing where your agent is talking so you can have
plausible deniability. I mean, there was nothing in front of him.
They really were waiting for Kaylin de Boor and Kenny's
just like hanging out there in multiple press conferences at
Arizona State saying yeah, I haven't talked to Michigan. This
because he hadn't talked to Michigan, he had no idea.
You assume the offer is gonna come. You don't know
if the offer is gonna come or not, just because

(13:14):
the Internet says so, you don't know if the offer's
gonna come. So no one played anybody. He was brutally
honest this whole time. That's why last week on the show,
I said, hey, I don't think just if he gets
the offer, it's a slam dunk that he's going to
take agree because he actually is truthful when he says
I love Arizona State. Now, if you're if you're living
in Missoula, Montana, and you say, hey, if you could

(13:35):
add the Arizona State job or the Michigan job, which
would you take. Well, that guy's taking Michigan. But that
guy's not Kenny Dillingham. So it was always going to
be a tough pull in the best of circumstances, and
Michigan search is not being handled in the best of
ways right now.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
No, it feels that way. We could get a week
down the road, it could completely change, but it seems
like to me the deadline has kind of is we're
at or starting to pass the deadlines where these kids
are going to get impatient. Yeah, because they've done a
great job of staying in. I think we've had two
guys transfer out, both guys you hope for the best
for them. And when these kids do leave a lot

(14:08):
of Michigan fans are going to be mad. But how
can you blame them if they leave and there's no
structure or nothing around them to where they go. I
feel confident about the growth of my football career hoping
to meet to the NFL. That's the shitty part. You
sit there and you just go name a guy, and
the name you have right now is Biff and you
can get all the answers you want, and twenty six

(14:29):
and just hope a lot of these kids that say
they love Biff, that want Biff, Like Marlon Klein is
the was a captain this year, tight end. He said
to the press, I want Biff PODi to have be
the head coach of Michigan. So if a captain's saying that,
and guys are aligned and it feels like dudes are
knocking at the door of the ad saying, Biff, we're leaving,
then call them on their bluff. Hire Biff. They're probably

(14:52):
going to leave. But at the end of the day, man,
it's like you can't expect them all to stay anyway.
It's twenty twenty six, new one. IL find your guy
in twenty six. Don't force it right now because it's
too late.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Do you want Biff?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
My call would be Biff if I mean, I think
if like Kyle Woodingham.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
But he asked, He didn't ask who your call would be.
He asked, if do you want Biff.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
The way it feels right now, I think the only
answer is bet.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
But he didn't ask what the only answer is? Do
you want Biff?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Pogi.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I want Biff Pog for twenty six. I don't think.
I think Biff is not the long term answer at Michigan.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
So you want a short term Do you want a
short term guy?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I think you go into an interim head coach situation.
Gary Muller, similar situation in Michigan gets fired. Who takes
over his intern head coach for a year, Lloyd Carr.
Lloyd Carr was there for ten years.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
But that's not the game plan.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Probably a different situation most likely, but it's the closest
one I can give you right now, right like I'm
look at the situation in Michigan. I'm pulling at straws
right now.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
When you can rent.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm just sitting in the batter's box, and.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
I'm exactly why live when you can squat.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Exactly? Go blue, Go yeah, go blue, Don't blue anyway, man.

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Speaker 5 (16:36):
Hey, Merry Christmas, Mary, Christmas, Mary, Chris, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Guys, this is awesome.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Just a game I'm gonna have.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's just the game. Just talk about the games that
epen of the weekend.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Tell me about Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I will say this about my expaniense in Oklahoma, I
probably won't be going back for a while. That being said,
I thought the people in Worklahoma were great. I thought
the coach staff was amazing. I thought the beat reporters
were awesome. Everybody on the sideline I talked to was great.
But there was one situation. I'm just like, I'll probably
won't go back there for a minute. I'll let it breathe.
And that's what it is, because it's not that I'm

(17:13):
sure the players are great. Gay by Kert, great guy,
played with him. He's a big He's big in Oklahoma.
Probably won't go back. Environment was awesome. Cannot believe they
blew a seventeen ol laite. I can't believe, especially with
their defense, with their defense clump Ty Simpson. Though he
got it back, He got it back tight, and he
got it back between the years.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
It's really got to make you Tube feel kind of
dumb that you doubted him, you picked against him, and
you got called. It's got to make the two of
you specifically really look in the mirror and ask, how
did I doubt Ty Simpson?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, and that's how you said.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Then I look back in the mirror and I say, Kurt,
big Netty, you will You're right on doubting them.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
They Oklahoma just choked the game. They blew it.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
This is not gonna say we were right. Oklahoma just
got it wrong.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
They screwed it up.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
They screwed it up, They screwed up.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Welcome to my world.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Big fan of Tie, love him, obviously loved killing seriously,
but they fucked up. Oklahoma messed up bad. Yeah, I
got I got nothing but love for Tye. But no
one's gonna sit there and tell me that this is
the plan.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You win the national title with r if you're two
for twelve and third down you average one point one
yards per rush. The punter he just drops the ball.
He drops the ball, did you see Yeah, he drops
the ball, and then John Matier he can talk about miscommunication. Receiver,
you want you gifted a Christmas gift to the corner.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
He was taking it to the house, no matter what
the route was.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Well, I would say if it was a quick button hook,
which I'm pretty sure he hand signaled to him and
he picked up on it, it wouldn't have gone to
the house because it would have had to go through
the receiver's body before to the house.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think that Sona was sitting inside. All he was
doing is sitting in there reading the Quarterbacks Cover two.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yeah, but I still think. So you go back watch
TV copy, which I assume both of you have.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
He looks out there, whatever in the world this means
for Oklahoma, he gives it to him. I think he
got a head nod from the receiver, but I'm not
sure whatever he told that dude to do, I'm pretty
sure he blindly trusted that he was going to do
and that kid didn't do it. You're just look, I'm
someone who held a Jammeteer Heisman ticket. I've got a
dog in the fight here, not anymore, but I did

(19:23):
have a dog in the fight. I am not gonna
believe that John Matier took that ball. Said no receiver
over there, Saban Brown was good enough. I'm not gonna
believe he did that. If he throws an errant ball
over the middle or something like that. Okay, Now, he
could not have hit a dB in the chest any
more effectively than he did with that ball. So I'm
gonna say miscommunication.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh for sure, miscommunication.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
But I just want to ball use But I'm going
to say it's all on the receiver. I just don't
want John Matier to get any of the blank.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Okay, hey, if that's how you want to live, absolutely,
Team Sport eleven guys got to be in the same page.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
He was great on third down in the first half.
I thought that was going to end up being the
stat of the game.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Well, you said it's.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Funny because the stat sheet was basically flipped from the
last game.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
It was not like as bad as Alabama kind of
had him in the last game.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
But the turnover margin all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Think about the first quarter and change of this game.
It was like the fifth quarter of the SEC Championship game,
how lifeless Alabama looked, how bad the feel was getting
tilted on them, average starting field position, all that stuff
that we talked about after Obama Georgia and to an
extent Bama OU Round one was the first quarter of
this game. Okay, So like I'm joking around a little

(20:33):
bit about tie. But after the game, I'm on the
field and some of the BAMA coaches they're kind of
messing around, but like they're saying, man, you doubted us,
You doubted us? Dude, Yes, I doubted you in this game.
I doubted you down seventeen you. Oh in the world,
wasn't doubting you?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
And I doubt you.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
It's not like, okay, I don't want to go that
part yet, I still doubt you.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
It's not personal game. It's not personal. It's definitely not personal.
It has nothing to do with Alabama. I'm just gonna
come out of my chair when I yelled its nothing
to do with Alabama.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But this is entertainment, entertainment, right and after it's just
it's really.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Just the game.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
It's just a game. The game is just the game.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
But this thing people do sometimes when you've given them
every reason to feel a way, and then you feel
that way, and then they act differently than the way
that made you feel how you originally felt, and they're like,
you had the audacity to.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Feel that way.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yes, and I'm gonna tell you why. Because you were
terrible in Atlanta last time. I saw you, highly ineffective.
Some people didn't even think you should be in the playoff.
I defended you. I went to bat for you, and
you're giving them all the ammunition that he'll ever need,
Slash Day will ever need. So yeah, I think there
was a little bit of reason to doubt Alabama. They overcame. Okay,

(21:42):
now they get to go against Indiana, and that's a
game we're gonna cover post Christmas.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
But that one we.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Got, we got Miami Ohio State, we got Oregon Texas Tech.
That's the big tense chance to flex and just knock
everything on its on its ear.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
And Indiana can run the football. Indiana's got Fernando Mendoza
and we talked to But the drop punt. You saw
the drop punt.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, before that drop punt, he just dropped it.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
He just dropped He literally just.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Dropped the ball.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
He dropped it well before that on that third and
three where Manteria kind of makes it happen. He's got
old buddy down the field, he just drops the ball.
Yeah like that right there would have been twenty four
to seven.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
And Alabama, like their defense is pretty clear now what
they want to do is they want to play zone
and back up and not give up X plays And
they're like, hey, well as you just pick us a
part up and down the field. Who can do that?
Indiana all day long. That's what they can do. A
very nice way, in a very nice way, and the
most robotic computer way you could possibly ask for.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, they're gonna have to find some more like offensive
just production because again, you look at him in the
first part of the year until essentially what like November
mid whenever they started to play South Carolina, like Alabama's
offense and you go and if you look at box
scores and everything else, like they're averaging well over like
twenty first downs per game, and that kind of just
goes away. Like when you look at their body of

(23:01):
work at the late part of the year, which is
where all the doubt crept in. Is something wrong with
Tie is something going on with the offense. They can
never really run the football, but they're only averaging around.
It's like south to fifteen, like south to fifteen first down,
So where they're just they haven't had a whole lot
of production. You're kind of hanging on explosive plays. Like
they scored thirty four points in that game, and you
look everywhere else, whether it's on the box score, everywhere,

(23:21):
I can't believe that there was what was the total
in that game or fifteen and a half. Yeah, but
they had the both teams combined scored like what over
sixty point fifty eight points? Yeah, yeah, fifty eight points.
And I'm just it did not feel like a game
where both teams where you just generate fifty eight points.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah. No, it was just explosive plays and then miss
cues on whoever's fault it was. We're gonna for this show,
We'll say it was the wide receivers, the punter, like
just crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
But if you take if you take so that the
pick six, that's a defensive score, just take it off
the board. Take the three points they got from the
muff punt or muffed handling of the punt off the board.
Even if you shave ten points off that still forty
eight points. It didn't even feel like a game where
forty eight got scored, right, It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
And you had a couple missed field goals there at
the end too, which I know that Buddy was in
hell mentally missing those field goals.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, he had to be dying. What was your
thought on the Miami Texa and m game?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Pretty boring.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
It was what I thought Bama OU was going to be.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, it was extremely windy there. It was more windy
than the night before. I think once Miami realized we're
sort of sinking in our teeth a little bit and
Marcel Rea's not running the ball on us, which mobile
quarterbacks don't against Miami. Once they realized that, it was like,
we're not gonna let Carson Beack lose the game, is

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how I felt they handled it.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Fletcher. You know, they got a four quarter approach.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
They think that they can bust the game open, and
the fourth quarter on the ground they did, so they
were able to stick to that. But they were able
to stick to that cause defense allowed them to. And
so I'm sitting there the entire time thinking, Okay, rewind
one year ago. Miami's having to score four every game
with cam Ward doing it basically on his own, so
they have a shot to win because defensively they're just atrocious.

(25:06):
And they made a personnel change and went and got
a new defensive coordinator, Corey Heathman out of Minnesota. They
made a huge deal about it internally, probably went under
the radar a little bit nationally. Well, now look at
them and look at the ability. Imagine me telling you
a year ago Miami a year from now is gonna
lose cam Ward. I'm not even gonna tell you who
they're going to get a quarterback. They're just gonna portle

(25:26):
in a guy, but there's no way he's going to
be as good as cam Ward. So you're thinking downgrade there.
Then you're I'm gonna tell you they're going to go
on the road in.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
A playoff game. So they are going to make the playoff.
That's great.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
They're gonna go on the road, They're going to score
ten and that's going to be good enough to win
a game.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Would have sounded insane, yep, and yet they did it.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
You bring a great points too, like, imagine if this
Miami team had cam Ward on it.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yes, imagine cam warden a fraction of this defense last year.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, they're in it, and they're probably they have a
good chance to win it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Actually, outside of just the missfield goals that was that
was brutal kid man.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I felt so bad for him, but.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I was actually enjoying watching the defensive battle. I mean
Miami and Hm too, but just flying around with their
hair on fire, tight windows. I'm thinking, who, which quarterback
is gonna like step up in the spotlight and really,
you know, neither of you really leaning in the first half.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Marcel Reid's gonna be the one to kind of like
step up and finish, just get a deep shot down
like he did a play action, scrambled around a little bit,
had a guy wide open, and the left side of
the field got that and they stalled out end up
getting nothing on that. It kind of felt like, if
there's a quarterback that's going to win you the game,
it felt like Marcel Reid and moving Carson back throughout it.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, and there's gonna be plays that. I know Marcel
Read's watching world just like timing and rhythm. He's gonna
want plays back where I feel like when you're going
against Ohio State, Julian will thrive more in some many situation.
So I'm excited to kind of watch the Miami defense
against the Ohio State offense.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
There's one more thing that's happened right now. Landing's dealing
with it. Elcho dealt with it.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
It's this thing with the abnormal hiring cycle where your
staff gets new jobs, but then they're still coaching through
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
So Elko is losing both of his coordinators.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Colin Klein took the Kansas State job like he's going
to be a head coach, Well, he's still your offensive coordinator.
Bateman is leaving as well. So I was talking to
some folks about the dynamics that that creates in a building,
And on one hand, it's really really weird for prep
because on one hand, you're very happy that your guys
are getting opportunities, but job's not finished, so your most
important games are coming up, and the attention span is

(27:27):
fragmented from your theoretically your second third most important guys
in your staff. But also here's where Rubbern really meets
the road. If I'm head coach here and you're my
OC and you're my DC, you're getting looks because we're winning. Probably,
so then you get hired as a head coach. And
you get hired as a head coach. But the way
it works is you don't just leave and say bye.

(27:48):
You leave and you got to put a staff together,
And the first instinct you have is to look right
back in my building. Yep, because I've got a building
full of top level people in nutrition, strength, to condition,
your your own support staff, like, whatever the case may be.
So I go from wishing you well, congratulate you. I
may have even recommended you for the job too. I

(28:08):
don't want you taking my staffers, and so I'm fighting
against you and against you to keep people in my
building who you only got an opportunity to work around
because I gave you an opportunity and you did your job.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
So we're even there.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Imagine sitting in a staff room where we're having to
work together to put together game plan to try and
get ready to go win a game, hopefully multiple games,
and I'm also competing against you kind of to keep staffers.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah that's not an easy dynasic.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
All happened quietly too. Yeah it gets allowed.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Then there's an argument, Yeah, yeah, throws everything football Like NFL,
if a coach gets hired and he's trying to bring
guys on, coaches for other teams can block guys leaving
unless it's like a pay raise or not a pay raise,
but like you get elevated as far.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
As your role goes.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Great question, like they can't make a lateral move.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
They can't make a lateral move, but there's multiple time
like a love floor. When he left, I know Vrabel
blocked the people from leaving because like, hey, I want
you guys here, and you're taking a lateral move, so
he would keep those guys in the building.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
This will shock you. None of that exists in college.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Oh man, Yeah, football is the best right now. I'm
getting fucked up my family, my school is getting by
the front of it right now. But it is awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, that would be tough because again, if if you're
the head coach in the situation, you're doing everything you
can to pour into the situation that be, which is, hey,
we gotta we want to win the national title.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Win the coach will playoff.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Then whenever I know in my brain if all of
my prep and all my stuff gets done, once I
get moments of time where I feel like I would
be finding whatever the creative ways are, whatever you're obsessing
about within the team. Now that I'm going to be
a head coach, I feel like all that free time
now would be going into whether it be the relationships
inside the building, hitting people up outside, like hey, what's
your situation going on with this school? Like I'd be

(29:52):
putting more toward into what my future is going to
be at my next school, because now I'm about to
take my first head coaching job.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
And if coaches the you know this in the building,
like what is our actual chances of winning a national championship?
Like I'm sure there was a like a Texas A
and M saw where their flaws were and then saw
the road and realize our flaws don't match up. I
can't be hidden through these future teams. So once you
can make that decision, you're as an OC or DCU.
Now as a head coaching job, it's even more of

(30:18):
a reason to going, Hey, let me focus on what
I got going on here, So maybe I could be
the head coach here someday or somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
And the important thing to remember now that we go
into quartifying around is Dan Lanning's dealing with us.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
He's losing both coordinators.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
So keep that in mind as you start to think
about the Orange Bowl.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
How do I think they match up with Texas Tech?
Well that other factors in the room.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
I know, no way you can quantify that because it
probably works different program to program, case by case, So
you just never know culture by culture.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And we're I know, Tash is going to cow where's
the OC going Kentucky head coach of Kentucky. Yeah, it's like,
unless you're going to I feel like I'm kind of
zooming out. Unless you're going to like an SEC or
Big ten, a really good job where you feel like
there's gonna be a lot more resource help to where
people can kind of do some of these things, some
of these responsibilities that you deem as a priority and

(31:08):
you got people that can handle it. If you're going
to like an ACC or a Big twelve school to
where I feel like there's gonna be more urgency there
for you to have more responsibility because you don't have
all the same resources and backing that like the Big ten,
some of these prominent Big ten and SEC schools have.

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(31:44):
its last busin look good, Feel Good, Play good? Would
you guys make a few other two games? I just
all I did was look at the app. I learned
that through the show you can just go on the
opposite of googling the scores. I put out my little
goat Jurassic Part A post photo all contexts and just
waited for the scores to run. Seemed like Tulane got

(32:05):
a whole lot better. They lost forty one to ten
as opposed to forty five to ten, so a four
point swing from the last time they played, and Oregon
they refused to cover ahead. Jamil let him get back
into was.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
That you could really tell who did and didn't watch
that game by the amount of people who said Oregon
didn't even cover bro. Yeah, they gave up thirty four.
They gave him five hundred yards of offense. And I said, well,
the University of Oregon logo gave up thirty four. The
guys on the field in the second half were very,
very clean Jersey unfamiliar names because they rolled out their

(32:38):
twos and threes in the second half, because you are
so inferior. They treated the second half as like an
FCS tune up game. Yeah, they treated it like the
last preseason, like a preseason game before these guys got
for next year. Yeah, so all due respect, five possession
lead in the first half was the big takeaway. It's
thirty four to three before the half, right, Yeah, that's

(32:59):
the takeaway.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, and your two's score sixteen more points. So is
it time that we now just move on from G Five's?
What are we changing the structure in college football? Does
something actually change going in next year?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I think something's got it, something's gotta change. There's been
so much.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Chaos that year that I feel like the structure, I
like to hope to believe like there's gonna be some.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Type of movement.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, some type of restructuring, some type of figuring. Out
a different process because nobody wants to see those games. No,
you know what I mean, Like, hey, in this structure,
they deserve that they got in. They were their conference
championships were right, they were ranked higher than the ACCS once.
So you know Duke or yeah, Duke doesn't get in.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah. So we were saying, is based on the structure
of the collegewable playoff of the teams that I got
in and should have been in.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
The playoff based on the current rules, Yeah, as they exist.
Those two teams should have gotten in based on the
rules as they exist. Question is do we change the rules?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Do I agree with what what he just said?

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Well, there's no arguing it.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
It's just fact that the G five teams got in
because of the current structure.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, I'm not about the structure of college football. The
team they got in our we're supposed to get in.
Are you walking me in the summ No, I'm just
asking you if you agree with that or not.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Do I agree with the current structure?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
No, the way the structure was that out the teams
that we're in were supposed to be because of the
current ructure. Now we need to change something. Yeah, I
mean it doesn't matter that we did welcome into something.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
I know what you were doing. I didn't know what
you were doing at first, but you just made him
say roll Tide.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
That's what you made. Miami should have been in Notre Dame.
We understand why they're out now. I don't agree with the.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Structure something, but you do want to blow the structure up.
YEA want to blow the structure up.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
I think we've all been aligned. Are paths to getting
there were different, but we all believe that the College
Football Playoff needs to be different next year.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Most people think that. Most people believe that very few people.
If we strawhold America college football America, very few people
are saying I like it exactly how it is right now.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
One of the biggest things that need to change is
the second round needs to be home home advantage.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Yeah, I would love to see that.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I would love to see Texas Tech having a home
game like the teams they got buys, the teams that
were one through four, like they get to have a
home game to come right.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Because what we saw last year, the team like Oregon
who had to buy, they were not prepared. They looked
a little rusty going into their game again by Ohio State, Like,
now we're gonna get a little tune up game against
JMU or missing his tune up game. Now they get
to go in a little more fresh versus these teams
that advice, and if it goes the same way it
went last year, it's like they're in a much better
position play more football.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
To go back to your your thing about the G five,
like everyone's spoken their peace on it. Then the result
hits you in the face again the other day and
you got two blowout games. So I warned you last week.
I said, if these games are close, there's gonna be
a ton of bad faith argument out there. Well they
weren't close, so then this is my opinion, you got
more bad faith argument or maybe flawed argument on the

(35:51):
other side.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
So I like both of you. Don't really love.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
The idea of G five teams just being kind of
gifted a spot in the playoff doesn't make logical sense
to me, But I know why it does exist. An
antig five or anything like that. But I know why
it exists. But my take on it has never been
they're going to get blown out. That's why they don't
belong in. They happen to get blown out because they're
inferior teams. But whether it was a three point game
or a three hundred point game, I don't really care.

(36:16):
I just I talked to you about last week this
strength of schedule and how I think there's a certain
bar you should have to clear, and most G five
schedules do not allow you to do that. It's not
their fault. That's why I would love a G five playoff.
Probably what's shocked me the most about this whole era
is I thought G five fans would be on board
with the concept of a G five playoff if it
had like a full financial ambilical cord attached to it,

(36:39):
Because you say G five playoff, and the first thought is, oh,
you're choking us off of the big playoff, which means
we're going to die on the vine over here because
we don't have enough money to survive. No, I would
love to just pump money into that thing.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah. They see it as everybody wanted to put them
at the kids there.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, which that is It's brutally honest, that is what
you're doing. The reality it is just a tier of
college football that's beneath the like. So I mean it's
so stupid to think Louisiana'm Monroe, Louisiana State played the
same sport.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
They don't.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
They play the same sport from a rules perspective, but
from a resource perspective, we're on opposite sides of the
Grand Canyon looking at each other. Yeah, okay, so I'm
always a G five playoff guy. But then I get
pushed back on that, so like, I'm okay, I don't.
It's not like I'm hard and fast on that. That's
just how I'd like to see it because it makes
sense to me. But if you're not agreeing on that,

(37:27):
what is your proposal? And I had a lot of
people say, all right, my proposal is G five teams
should only get in if they're ranked in the top twelve.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
I'd be totally fine with that. I'd be totally fine
with that.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
The question becomes, if you don't give them a guaranteed
seat at the table but there are automatic bids for
other conference champs, do you run the risk of a lawsuit?
And then the third thing that I started to see
some people broach this past weekend for the first time
is what if there is a lawsuit? What if you
just let them, take you to court, lose the battle,
pay the check, and then about it however you want

(38:01):
to anyway. So there are a lot of different thoughts
out there.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, and you're in your opinion what is the fastest
way or the best way to fix it. And it
has to be legally, it doesn't have to be legal.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
You got to basically just decide whatever your structure is
going to be, twelve team, sixteen teams, whatever. I think
they're always going to have one spot. I think they're
always going to have one guaranteed spot at the table.
I assume that that's probably not going anywhere unless and
this is why I go to the G five playoff thing.
If you created a separate playoff and there was the
promise of a huge payday in that playoff, that's the

(38:35):
only thing that I theoretically believe could convince G five
presidents and athletic directors to look at it.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
I don't know if they would do it.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
But if you put out this not an idea, but
like a fully formed plan, here's the media partner, here
are the major advertisers. Here's the payoff, here's the subsidy.
Here's what you're gonna get if you're in it. Here's
what you're gonna get if you win it. Everyone's going
to get something. You're not gonna die on the vine
over here because you got detached from the main playoff.
Once the money part's taken care of, then you tell

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JMU or Tu Lane you're gonna compete in a tournament
where you can actually win. Like right now, Jmu's goal
is get to the playoffs so I can get beheaded.
To Lane's goal, like they're north Star is we can
get into the playoff so we can get annihilated. So
it's never made sense to me, but g five folks,
many of them will look you straight in the eye
and say, Nope, would much rather have that than our

(39:24):
own separate tournament.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, even the level of separation too.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Like everybody on Jmu's roster or Tu Lane's roster, even
though they're going in to get beheaded in the Costwall playoffs.
Basically everybody's goal in that building is play well enough
to then get picked up by from somebody bigger.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's like, hey, we got into the playoff this year,
can't wait for all of us to come back like
strengthen this if we get an il. We're coming back
JMU two lane, We're coming for blood next year. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Even if they were to win,
you know, they probably never win a game, but if
they won a game.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
You can see them winning a game.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Let's just say they wont a game in a simulation,
then the mindset for everybody still on that team is
the exact same.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Can kill them out.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, yeah, we're trying to level up.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Like every coach is trying to get a bigger job,
every player is trying to get plucked by somebody from
the P four.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Now Here's what the intellectually dishonest counter argument would be. Okay,
isn't every kid that may play for TCU trying to
do that for Texas?

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Isn't every kid that plays.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
At I don't know, like Arkansas trying to do that
for Alabama? Like people will say that the answer is yes.
The difference is you've got to at some point pool
teams based on some kind of comparability. The comparability is resource.
That's just like when people say, well, yeah JMU got

(40:45):
blown out against Oregon, but Tennessee got blown out against
Ohio State last year. Does that mean Tennessee doesn't belong
in the playoff, which is one reason I don't track
in that argument because they can get you on that. No,
it doesn't mean that. Because Tennessee has comparable resources to
Ohio State, they have athletes that can compete on the
field with Ohio State. Like, yes, they got blown out
in that game. The difference is if you play that

(41:06):
game one hundred times, there's some very competitive games. There's
some Tennessee wins in there, believe it or not. There
are no JMU wins over Oregon. And it's not because
you don't believe in them or think they should have
a shot. It's because there is a certain facet like
there's a certain level in football where it's a non starter.
Like it's I call it the freeze point. A lot

(41:27):
of times water if it's thirty three degrees or one
hundred and three degrees will not freeze. It has to
be thirty two point four or lower thirty two six,
whatever it is before it freezes. Those rosters don't meet
the freeze point, they don't even get close to meeting
the freeze point. And so like I just think that
if you're looking at an Arkansas Alabama versus a jmu Organ,

(41:49):
you're intellectually dishonest if you're making that argument, because even
if you're making the argument, you know, Arkansas Alabama versus
JMU Organ are totally different classifications of quote unquote separation.
You got to classify teams and group teams. At some point,
there's going to be a worst and a best in
any bubble. The difference is if the bubble's thirty teams

(42:09):
deep versus one hundred and thirty teams deep, that first
bubble makes a lot more sense to me.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Okay, which jacket does notre dame fall in?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Which tournament did they get in?

Speaker 5 (42:20):
I would put them in the head bubble.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I would just make them earn their way in like
everyone else, which they didn't this last time.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
But they got a new Uh we wrote a new
law for them right to get in. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
No, that's a great law. It's a great law.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Okay, everybody that played.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, let's play the game where there's a G five.
There's a G five tournament every single year. Ye let's
say one school will just say JMU or two lane
win that tournament like five or eight out of ten.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Years, just like the FCS in North Dakota State.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Right, and they're just over and over, always crushing it.
And then you have like the lower SEC Big ten
schools that are constantly at the bottle over and over again.
Is there a.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Relegation promotion and relegation?

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Is there is there a world that you would want
to live in?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah, I'll tell you what else I would love to do.
I would love that to exist. I would also love
I think they do this in European soccer. I know
nothing about European soccer. They do promotion relegation. What they
also do is pay I forget what the term is.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
But it's a fee.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Basically, if you're JMU and I'm Oregon and I take
five of your players, I am paying a penalty to
you to take those players from you, which I've always
thought should exist. Right now, it's a joke what P
four does to the G five, But it's also a
joke what the G five does to FCS. It's not
like this is a this is a one way street
here like the G five.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
I was talking to a guy.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
From Mercer the other day, which is just a FCS
school in Macon, Georgia, but they're pretty good.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
They go play the.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Big boys every year, take their check, take their beating.
He laid out their roster and which players have been
poached and what they're being offered. And it's like Georgia
State came and got this kid, Troy came and got
these kids, UAB came and got these kids.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
So the G five the same thing.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
It's just much less talked about because no one cares
about the FCS relative to talking about P four G five.
I would love for there to be a restitution structure
anytime you're taking talent, because that's really what in the
long run, could reinvest in those programs and help them
level up to where eventually they're consistently good, they can
retain their players, and then if they're good enough, they

(44:22):
can be promoted up a level. And if you suck
at that upper level, you're not taking advantage of your resources.
You could fall down the ladder. Now I just said
that in like two minutes. That's very easy. You got
so many spider webs to untangle there with conference affiliation,
not to name the other few, to where yeah, it's
very difficult to make that a rule or make that
the new structure.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
But we're just playing perfect Unicorn world here.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Right, Yeah, we got a blank we got a we
got a blank sheet. Yeah I want.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah for me, it's just that everybody who loves college football,
the sport is becoming more and more popular every year.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
A lot of people, Hey, it's my favorite sport to watch.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Just when you're looking at the playoffs, this is the
most you know, competitive, you want the most competitive tournament
possible in our favorite sport that we're all watch.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Yeah, that vibe Saturday night was bad.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, it's like the Oregon organ JMU and then Tulane
O miss Like you're watching A and M Miami. You're
watching Bama Oklahoma and then the other games, like you're
checking into see is there even gonna be a fighting shot?
Oh it's thirty four to three. I don't even care
to watch the rest of this football. Oh, Jami, you
ended up putting thirty four points on the board. I
wonder if it wass it gets backed ups whatever it is. Yeah,

(45:32):
but you're not you just you don't care to watch
those games at all. And like, imagine the world. I know,
obviously I spout about the Notre Dame stuff, but imagine
Notre Dame BYU or Vaney that would have been in
the playoff or in some of these games this year.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, you're like tuned in, excited to see what's what's
gonna go down.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Because they're watching real conferences, real independence that say hey,
we're just as big as the big dogs. We're gonna
go prove ourselves because everybody wants to see the power forwards,
like who is the best at the end of this year.
We're gonna have the conversations wherever it was the national championship, whatever,
if it's Big ten SEC, We're all gonna sit there
and be like, this is the best conference. Now, top
the top of the top is the best conference. You're
not getting that without getting like Vanderbilt to go to Oregon,

(46:09):
Like that would have been a game I think we
all tuned into. Hell, we even maybe go to because
we have multiple dogs in that fight. And then we
make the trip to Eugene over going to a M Miami, right,
because you're right, there was two games this weekend. Everything
else was, Hey, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
If there happened to be that G five team that
is ranked in the top fifteen, Top twelve Cincinnati from
five years ago, Yeah, like you're still you'd be curious cycle.
Let's see if they can they can rock with the
big dogs. Yeah, if they do, it's much more entertaining
and fun to watch. It's just we all knew how
these games were going to go down.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Over the world.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
It's always obvious when AG five team actually belongs in
the playoff. There have been several Bois's, a couple of ucfs,
that Cincinnati team from just a few years back before
they joined the Big Twelve. Those teams Cincinnati made the
four team playoff, and I remember like vividly saying, yeah,
I think they belong in. I didn't push back on it.
It's not like you're blanketly anti G five. It's you

(47:02):
want deserving teams.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
In the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
The other thing is I don't believe in comparing basketball
to football at all. But for the people who do
go down that road of comparing the NCAA tournament and
March Madness to the college football playoff, and they're like this, man,
we want to.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Cinderell lah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
I enjoy watching like a George Mason go up against
Duke in the first round. Point spread maybe twenty four
and a half. But there is something in the back
of my mind that tells me this could happen. It's unlikely,
but it could happen. And also I enjoy watching the
kids have that experience. There is nothing fun to me
about watching JMU or Tulane be on the same field

(47:39):
in any kind of competitive playoff environment with legit like
top ten caliber Big ten and SEC teams. And the
other dirty secret from the past. Two dirty secrets from
the past. The first dirty secret is most of the
great G five teams people use in these arguments to
prop up the G five will never exist again because
all the talent got rated in the modern acte number two.

(48:02):
And this is one that gets pushed back, but I
don't care because I know it's true. Most of the
examples people use Utah, Alabama, UCF, Auburn, whatever the case
may be. It was a G five team playing their
Super Bowl against some SEC or Big ten team that
missed out on their goal, and now they're playing a
consolation bowl game, so you got disproportionate motivation and buy

(48:23):
in this last weekend is actually what it looks like
when a G five inferior opponent gets the full focus
of a power program. That's what that actually looks like
I had an Auburn kid in twenty seventeen. They beat
Alabama and Georgia. Then they go to the SEC championship game,
Kerrie and Johnson's hurt. They get beat by Georgia, and

(48:45):
they go from thinking they're going to go to the
playoff or whatever win the SEC to they're going to
play in the Peach Bowl against UCF. I had one
of the kids telling me this is not one of
the six biggest games of our season. UCF has a
banner in their building because they won that game. Yeah,
just to give you a idea of how different that was, said, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I think we covered it. Yeah, is there anything boys
we miss? Anything in the back here, Jared? I know
you big colforotball guys. Everything you got. Shout out, shout
out Alaholma, thank you for the hot dogs, Thank you
for the hot dogs. YEP.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
As an observer of the weekend, it was like, I'm
sitting there, I'm hearing about what happened to the boys,
what happened to my boys. Then I see Pete's got
his Rollerdex of content coming out where he's.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
On the field. All those things, I'm like, damn, and all.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
The things all the things that went down. I'm sitting
there at the end, we're flying back. Jared's sleeping with
his mouth wide open. JP and are having a good conversation,
and I'm just thinking, the one time Will doesn't come
with us, it all falls apart. It's where I'm gonna
have to go and tell club what happened, tell ESPN
what happened. And I'm gonna have to get on the
phone with the Will and be like, this is what happened,

(49:56):
and it sucked.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I see my boys just in the top road like
the wind blow and eating popcorn. And then I go
to Pet's timeline and he's in the backstage betting the dog.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
He bet it up.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, he didn't get the red carpet rolled out.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
He's you know what, we know.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
It's good for us with the boys though, is this
has been twenty twenty five has been an incredible year
for us. It's been awesome. I mean our relationship, the
locker room, the traveling, all the things doing ESPN. We
have been like Icarus, dude. We have been flying towards
the sun. It was about damn time we fell a
little bit. So actually shout out Oklahoma because we needed

(50:32):
a good humbling. We needed it.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Go ahead on the on that topic. On the flight there,
do you remember you just being like, man, everything is perfect?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Could yes?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
And it was.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
It wasn't the flight to Oklahoma. It was a fight
from Oklahoma after everything happened. And I'm thinking, dealt with
a bad bad egg like that happens sometimes. And I'm
like sitting there reflecting with all the boys, like how
cool has this year been? And it feels like every
year is its own, like whole lifetime that takes place. Yeah,
and we're all like kind of shaking her heads and
being like, yeah, dude, it's awesome. Go to sleep, wake up.

(51:05):
Hell is taking place. And I literally have somebody from
ESPN saying what people said about you guys in Oklahoma.
They reference it to a terrorist attack.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
I can't believe you can even fly. You should be
able to list right now.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Taylor's sleeping, the boys are sleeping.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I'm jumping my bad dude, and I'm like, oh, this
is a good humbling for us, Like we stay in
Ritz Carlton for this, let's get in this holiday, like, oh,
we're everyone's great beds are actually relatively comfortable to sit there.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Wake up.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Ah, decent night's sleep.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Look at my phone.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Hell grenade great, Hell.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you. I told
you allfare I'm gonna tell you on air. I'm at
Oklahoma fair amount. I storm Chase in Oklahoma National Weather
Services on the campus of the University of Oklahoma. So
me and Oklahoma. So I vouched for Oklahoma. However I
vouch for you as well. And so I think, probably
from a mediator standpoint, I got work to do. Maybe

(52:07):
I take this personally. Maybe this is kind of on me.
I haven't taken responsibility for anything on the show all year,
so maybe it's time. Maybe it's time for me to
take my first l So I'm gonna fix this. I
gotta find a way to fix it.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I'm gonna tell you our game plan. We've said our peace.
I'm not gonna sit back and pretend like it never
happened until somebody. I'm just gonna sit in the pocket now.
I'm be like, hopef we gets figured out. It's not
we're stressing about Christmas shopping to do or I'm like
kind of stressed about that.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Oh god, yeah, God.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Stalking the Perfect is a storm chasing with Josh and
that one individual. Make them come with you as attorney does.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Coming just.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
For clarification. I don't want to clarify what the world
happened here.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Don't even worry about it. You'll find out it's single storm.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Jason just die.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Someone fell out.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
We don't allow done okay from an insurance From an
insurance perspective, I can't loud.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I would never Oh big gug Sinny kisses, Merry Christmas,
We love you.

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