The Truth and the Rat

ICE comes for Owen. Rebecca enlists Beulah’s help to find the informant. Special guest Pascal Robert.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Liberation Radio is proud to present news Week contributor and
the host of This Is Revolution Podcast, Pascal Robert. All Right, everyone,
welcome back to Liberation Radio. I am Rebecca and I
am I'm in coming at you from the beautiful lower
Bottoms now in my brand new Hammock. Good for you,
and today we have the privilege of speaking to Pascal Robert.

(00:26):
He is an accomplished journalist, political commentator, and co host
of This Is Revolution podcast. Pascal, we just want to
say thank you so much for joining us today. Thank
you for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to speak
to you guys. Our pleasure, Our pleasure. So to start
off with, for our listeners who may not be familiar
with you, can you tell us a little bit about

(00:46):
yourself and the work that you do. Absolutely. I'm the
co host of a podcast called This is a Revolution Podcast.
But most of my time as a writer, I had
been writing for a publication known as the Black Agenda Report,
which is a kind of black radical publication that was
started by two formal black panthers in the early millennium
who were interested in looking at black politics from a

(01:07):
more radical left perspective. Both of These men were very
much direct mentors and teachers of mind and gave me
an understanding of what I call Black radical critical analysis,
which is the way in which we analyze black politics
to look at it outside the simple lens of reducing
everything to simply being about racism, but challenging things from

(01:27):
the question of how things like capitalism, imperialism, as well
as other phenomenon affect communities of color, particularly black communities,
because often times what we find is that when you
simply reduce things to racism, you sometimes neglect the way
in which other institutional mechanisms within society have a role
in actually disadvantaging communities that are more economically and socially

(01:51):
on the margin. I'm not after our own hall, Yes,
I mean you talk about the black political class. Can
you just define what that is for our listeners. Absolutely,
the black political class is a social phenomenon as well
as an institutional phenomenon. It is a reality that comes

(02:11):
about largely because of this post civil rights era, but
it actually has and to see this that goes about
into the early nineteenth century, basically because the United States
is a country that realized that it necessarily had the
requirement of having Black people in America somewhat dislocated from
their ability to effectively implement their rights. There is a

(02:34):
requirement to neutralize independent voices in the black community and
reduced black people to a phenomenon called race relations. In
other words, black people as a whole had to relate
to white people as a whole. And one of the
consequences of this race relations paradigm is that it forced
and allowed the ruling class to choose what I call

(02:56):
racial ventriloquists, people who are not really elected by the
black community, but we chose it to be quote unquote
racial spokespeople, if you will. For example, we hear things
about the black leaders. I always ask ask your cost,
when do you get the ballot to choose the black
leader that represents the issues of the black community. I
never get the ballot. I don't know anyone else who

(03:16):
gets that ballot. But what seems to happen is that
the ruling class and the media established always seems to
have the capacity to pick an individual from this selected
establishment to be the voice of this community. Who never
does the choosing of who that voice happens to be.
What the black political class is is the assortment of
not only political officials, but civil rights officials, media establishments,

(03:41):
the black church, historically black fraturnities and sororities, all of
these social, political, and cultural institutions that act as the
voice of the quote unquote black community, if you believe
there is such a thing as one black community without
having any real fiduciary responsibility to the opinions of the community,

(04:01):
but are chosen by the ruling class to be that
ratio of ventriloquist, often at the behest of the demands
of the ruling class, to the detriment of those actual
black and brown communities. So that is the best way
I could use to explain what the black political class represents. Wow,
that was a lot of taking out there. That the

(04:26):
idea that the black political class isn't chosen by the
people that they claim to represent is so subversive because
it means that the people who speak for you might
be speaking for someone else. They almost always are speaking
for someone else, and it's usually the person who has
an agenda that doesn't work towards your best interest, and

(04:48):
not in many cases, I suppose, would be uh as
malicious as the evil racist white man with the horns,
but it could be financial institutions. It could be your banks.
It could be the gentrifying, you know, commercial realistate developers.
It could be the guys who represent the interests of
those racist police officers that you don't like, the guys

(05:08):
who represent the insurance company. It could be anyone that
the black political class is beholden to for their patronage
which I pejoratively called fat back and biscuits, that lines
their pockets, that keeps them in bed with the establishments
that are not necessarily serving the interests of black and
brown communities. Right, And I've read, uh some pecs you've

(05:32):
written in the past about Black American politics being reactionary
uh to racism, And so I'm curious about that. Can
you explain that to like, One of the consequences of
the sad tragedy that racism being such an endemic reality
in the lives of black people in America is that

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all politics are almost always reacting to the racist treatment
that we receive from aspects of the white establishment or
individuals in white society. So one of the consequences of
always reacting to racism is that it doesn't allow black
politics to be a long term strategic one based on

(06:16):
economic and social realities. But it's kind of like this
kind of like on the moment, on the fly thing
that's always reacting to the hottest offense of the second
And if you actually look at everything that's happened in
the last ten years, from Trayvon Martin to police shootings,
you'll see how black politics it's always reacting to the
hottest latest image that you see on Facebook. But it's

(06:38):
never any time in which black politics becomes proactive in
addressing long term strategies as to how exactly the material
realities that affect the conditions of Black people lives who
are disproportionately working class and working poor needs to be
addressed instead of having these black political class fulfill the
charade of representing the interest and but being reactive in

(07:02):
that way, it kind of means that the answer is
only ever two dimensional, you know, like, oh, we solve
this racist problem for you, go away, don't ask for
anything else. There you go. It's a very good way
of looking at it. I agree completely. So what conditions
do you think are necessary for real black liberation? That's
a very good question. The question becomes when you said

(07:25):
real black liberation, liberation from what exactly. I often hear
black people say we need to get all freedom, what
exactly all being free from black people on picking cotton
and slaves that were in the past. For me, the
institution that is the biggest obstacle to black people's effective
liberation is capitalism. Why because capitalism as an economic model

(07:45):
requires a term that we use as this revolution. It's
a fancy word to say it requires a surplus labor requirement.
What does that mean? There's always gonna be a faction
of labor in capitalism that ain't going to be able
to find no word the angle may will get no
job that ain't gonna be able to succeed. There's got
to be an X factor of people in American society

(08:07):
that's got to be relegated to quote unquote brokenness, if
you will, all the bottom. And in a capitalist society,
the part of the problem is because we live in
a racially binary society, that minority is going to be racialized.
Why because of sixty and of the population who were
white realized that they were at the same level of

(08:29):
proportion as blacks being relegated to the N word status.
They would rebel so, in other words, to be crass
about it. Capitalism requires an n word factor in order
to relegate or disproportionately have the economic harm of poverty
put upon that community. Because if the majority of blacks

(08:50):
realize that they are more white people in America that
are poor than black people, that's actually a fact. It
says that disproportionately the proportions are higher among people because
capitalism is racialized in that way, if we actually had
a situation where we had white people feeling the brunt
of harm of capitalism the same way black people did,

(09:12):
they would rebel. Not that socialism is going to end racism,
but socialism, in my opinion, ends the capacity of having
racists have the material power over the means of production
so that they can implement their racism economically in the
lives of everyone in society. So, in other words, in
my economic model, black people who were present fourteen percent

(09:34):
of the population, they control of the media production, of
the television, production, of the corporations, of the oil production,
of all of the means of production that actually generate
wealth and resources in this society. That can protect themselves
from having other communities totally have wholesale control of those
means of production. And use them in a way that

(09:55):
discriminates against their interests. That's the dream. That's the dream
you find out for of capitalism here um this idea,
it sort of sounds like, you know, people are being
held in place just because there're one wrong above someone
else on the ladder. Rather than than looking a bit

(10:15):
higher and expecting a bit more from their society, they
look around go, oh, well, you know, you're not as
bad as so and so. So that's fine, you should
be happy. That's correct. That's the Listen's that's the nature
of capitalist hierarchy. Everything is okay as long as your
foot is on somebody else's next. And we're saying, is that, listen,
stop looking at the guy whose foot your neck is on,

(10:37):
and start looking at the guy whose foot is above
all of your necks. And why does something like of
the wealth in our society have to be in the
hands of less than teen percent of the population. There's
enough wealth and resources on the planet to allow everyone
to live a quality of dignified life. So why do
we have to have a world where we have less

(10:57):
than twenty of the planet sucking up all of the
resources when we can have a more equitable means of
distribution to make sure that we have a quality of
life that provides health care, food services, education for more
people in a more equitable fashion. So, to answer Rebecca's question,
it sounds like you're saying that real Black liberation starts

(11:18):
or at least involves the community expecting more to start with.
I think community expecting more is the one thing. Expecting
different things is a better way of looking at In
other words, my position is this, I'm not saying that
you should have no problem with racism. You should not

(11:39):
in any way except someone treat you racidly in a
racist way. But what you should do is be more
interested in taking away the material and economic and social
tools that give that person the ability to have his
racism affect your ability to live, get a job, have
your image affect you nextively, and how you view yourself,

(12:02):
your ability to get healthcare, your ability to get food.
So instead of simply worrying about complaining about how he
treats you, let's find a way so the economic power
tools in his capacity to adversely affect you are not
monopolized by him, and they have to be distributed in
a way so that you get your fair share. So

(12:22):
that your equity in the system is protected so that
his racial bias or not does not affect your quality
of life. So does that is that what revolution looks
like in the modern era? Is that what you're saying,
that's the goal of revolution? If you ask me, that
is the goal. Yes, there is the revolution without challenging capitalism.

(12:42):
And do you think that we'll see that needle move
or any of that kind of progression in our We
should base our temerity and anger and strength and clarity
on what we may or may not see, but we
should base it on what we demand. We'll see it
as much as we demand that. Thank you so much

(13:02):
for your time. Thank you so much, appreciate it. I
real appreciate you doing this. If you guys want to
do this one more time, give me some advanced on
this and I'd love to come run again. Thank you
so much, Thank you so much. All Right, brother pieces,
you've been listening to Liberation Radio. Join us next week
when Owen and Rebecca sit down with Shiela Jamerson, community cultivator,
activist and founder of SO Oakland. All right, folks, that's

(13:27):
our show. Thanks all for tuning in. What the hell
turn off the microphone. Gotta go, y'all, this might be
the end of Liberation Radio. FBI open up? Is that yep?
That's Chuck Ship. Yes, shit, it's fine. Nothing, We're already

(13:51):
for you, right, just I just didn't think it'd be
so soon. Play along, play ice core, all right, sub Chuck,
those unlocked take it all. Transmitters, phones, computers, drives, everything
was all that banging really necessary. If we knew you
were bringing company, we'd have cleaned up a bit or

(14:13):
had some snacks ready. My head's a mess, Rebecca Cooper,
I'm Special Agent Chuck evans On behalf of the Federal
Girl of Investigation. I'm seizing all electronic devices here as
evidence for an ongoing investigation. Oh my warrant in case
you were interested. You actually did something legal for once.
Good for you, a real good step in the right direction.

(14:34):
Your are the friends with the funny badges. Federal Communications Commission,
the f c C. We're finally shutting down this pirate
radio ship show. Oh, here's the court order for that too.
I've good to agree with Rebecca. You're really in the
eyes and crossing the teas today. Hey, Pete, oh Edwards, Pete,

(14:58):
he's from Immigration and Customs and horsemen. Oh nice, correct,
he's the officer. He'll be detaining you for deportation. Don't worry,
he's got the rest. Weren't ready show it to him? Pete? Yep,
you go, I always, Rebecca, I'm a big boy, Mr Pete?
Do I get to wear those handcuffy things? Hold on,

(15:21):
let me put out this cigarette? Turn around for me?
Would you? You have a good egg? Pete? Even if
you didn't read be my Miranda rights? What rights? You're
an illegal alien. You don't get the privilege of Miranda rights. Okay?
Where is he being held? Oh? And I'll pay your
bill as soon as I can. Afraid not. According to

(15:41):
age of Evans, he's a flight risk. No bomb will
be grant. Sorry, Becky, looks like your s O L
you know, shut out of luck. I guess it's time
you've got a job doing work, ladies, And gent's let's
wrap it up another day, another memory loss. At least

(16:05):
I'm in my bed this time. Come in, Come in, Rebecca.
What's going on? Everything? Okay, no, it's not. Can I
sit down? Of course? They got Owen he's gone. Who
I FBI? Even the fucking FCC. They shut down the

(16:25):
radio station. Oh my god. Look, I'm here because I'm
out of options. Okay, I can't trust anyone right now. Honestly,
I don't trust you either, but with the way things
have been going, you're my last resort um. Thanks. Look,
I'm sorry. Okay, I'm a little on edge. But I'm
meant to say, is I know I can trust you

(16:46):
as my friend? Right? Of course I need your help
as a friend. Were you on your way out? Why
you're all dressed up? Ship? She's right, heel's an address.
And this isn't even my dress, it's Savannah's. Huh. These

(17:08):
blackouts just keep getting weirder. Oh yeah, I was just
going through old clothes to see what still fits. But
that Savannah dress, I was there when she bought it. Uh,
it's not like she'll be using it anytime soon. That's
not what your grandma just told me. She said, Savannah's

(17:30):
on her way to recovery. Okay, let's just get back
to the topic at hand. You said you need help
with something. Yeah, let's go. I'll explain what we're on
the train. Damn. All right. Once we got to the
MacArthur bart station, we hopped on a southbound train. Now

(17:50):
we're sitting in the back of the car, away from everyone.
I knew I shouldn't get involved in her ship, but
it's the first time I've ever seen Rebecca so stressed.
Weird how she and I are the same boat right now,
both unsure of who to trust, both trapped playing a
game with no clear rules. Our journeys might be parallel,
but they should never intersect, so this stays between us,

(18:13):
all right, all right. For the last couple of weeks,
Owen has been trying to convince me that someone in
our circle turned into a snitch. But I didn't want
to believe it. But this FBI rating Literation radio proves
he was right. Hold on, so I get why the
FCC would shut down a pirate radio station. It even
makes sense that Ice would deport Owen. Why would the

(18:35):
FBI be so invested? Of course I know why Chuck
told me himself. Rebecca and Owen are cyber terrorists, and
it wasn't so long ago that I nearly helped them.
God knows, I am in no place to judge. Well,
someone from your clan has made it his personal business
to bring us down. I mean, not that it matters
they won't find any incriminating evidence on those computers. Dumbasses. Anyway,

(19:00):
there's only three people who just enough to get a
shut down. I'm going to confront each of them. I
want you to come with me. Suss out who's lying,
help me nail the shirk me. What am I supposed
to do? Waterboard them, pull off their fingernails, and how
does any of this help owing? This isn't about owing.
I mean, that's a separate endeavor. This is about cleaning house.

(19:22):
The look on her face tells me she's not messing around.
I'll go with her, if only to make sure she
doesn't run into any trouble. Our stop, let's go. I
don't think we're allowed inside the cafe during construction. Yeah,
we're not going inside the patio around back. Come on

(19:45):
the back patio resists as a pretty sad sight. Dead
grass and debris scattered everywhere, a few lawn chairs, loobbily tables,
and ernie back. Welcome to my new outdoor office. You
ever think that maybe you're a little too attached to
this place? That kind of creature that happened? What can

(20:05):
I say? I can't believe there's still WiFi here? Are
you using a foot massage? Yeah, I want to try. No, Ernie,
thank you out. So what are you two doing here?
We don't have a lot of time, so I'll just
cut straight to the chase, who sounds serious. One was

(20:25):
taken by ice this morning. They're going to deport him.
Not a resident bread. Yeah. I saw the whole thing
go down. I was right here when they went into
the radio station. Yeah, but there's something else. The FBI
were also tipped off. Did you know that? Like I said,
I was sitting here when they stormed in, So yeah,

(20:47):
I figured something was up. Yes, something was definitely up.
That's why I need your complete honesty. Have you been
talking to the FBI? What? Or maybe you accidentally let
yourself it flagged. Maybe they put something in your computer
and figured out what it is that I was asking
you to look into. I can't even I'm not. I

(21:10):
mean you can talk freely in front of BULA. No,
you have not permission, do I really? Gee? Thanks for that,
boss lady. I dare you. There's bad enough you come.
You're throwing around accusations of disloyalty, but to suggest that
I am anything less than a brilliant and disagree computer architect.
That is where I draw the line. I've got a
reputation to uphold, and I don't appreciate your wild theories

(21:31):
of my supposed incompetence. This piece of blackmail you wanted
for you know who, I'm this close to getting it,
and you know why, because I am diligent, patient, and
very fucking clever. I've broken into the most complicated and
sophisticated cyber networks in the world, from Russia to Brazil
to China, you name it, and I've hacked it. I
was cracking codes when YouTube we're still filling fucking diapers

(21:52):
with like poopy hell. I was part of the original
Anonymous before they were co opted as a side open.
You have the nerve to come here and question my
integrity skill a moment. Wow, I always thought you were
sending fishing scamps or something shows with you know, and
I thought you'd be smarter than this, Beulah. But you
let yourself be used by my so called friend as
what an attack dog. Get out of my office, great,

(22:15):
let's go be Look. Look, I'm sorry, Ernie, it's not personal.
I just I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.
I don't think Ernie's your guy, yah me either. I
mean he'll get over it though we're too Next, our
next victim is at the dive bar down the street

(22:36):
next to Esther's orbit. So what blackmail was Ernie talking about?
And it's not exactly blackmail. It's just a piece of
information that could damage and tarnish the reputation of the FBI.
I mean one agent in particular, And I told you
before it's personal with this guy. You gotta tell me
who if you really want to know Special Agent Charles
Evans Chuck, Oh, you know him? I mean I know

(22:59):
of him, small world high. You've really got to drop
this act. I know you're working with each other ship.
I should have known not to underestimate her, and I
was wrong about the two of us being in the
same boat. She's always two steps ahead. I can't let
my guard down. If you really believe that, then why

(23:19):
would you bring me with you? Like I said, I
need your help. Plus, I know you're not gonna say
ship to it. I'm not Nope, how do you know that? Oh,
this is the place right here? Welcome in, ladies. Rebecca

(23:39):
wasn't kidding. This is definitely a dive bar. No windows
and the stale odor of cigarettes. Not a happy scene
and no dive bars complete without a couple of day
drinking bar flies and Coppins Youla, You remember Poppins couldn't
forget him if I tried, and trust me, I've tried hard. Rebecca,

(24:03):
what the hell you didn't say anything about bringing her? Look,
the three of us need to talk about something very important. Gosh,
at least let me get another drink first, a bartender, bartender,
could you give an other PBR here? Call me bartender
one more time. I'll kick your skinny ask to the curb.

(24:23):
Hey man, we're cool. I'm at no offense. Why do
I always get treated like a gentifier when I've been
in the bottoms for like three years? Who knows? And
not a lot of newcomers can say they've been shop
by O? P D. Where's my hood pass? That you
want a hood pass for being an idiot? That's gold,

(24:45):
so says the cop. Has it feel to be a
deep state hill? All right, you to stop it. We're
not here to talk about that. What's let's move over
to a table in the back, all right, that's what
is this all about? Oh? When getting deported, I took
him earlier today. I know, assholes, man, I wish I

(25:06):
could have been there. How can I help? Wait? Are
you asked me to take over his co host and
Liberation Radio? Absolutely not. I just need you to tell
the truth, no lies, no jokes. Have you been informing
for the FBI? FBI? Seriously me? Of all people, yes,
are no Poppins. See this, This wound is physical proof

(25:30):
of my dedication to the cause. As far as I
can tell, I'm the only one around here who's really
sacrificed anything. What about Savannah Owen? They're sacrifices don't count.
I guess whatever. I'm not an informant, not now, not ever. Listen,
somebody's been talking. What do you expect when you hang
around little miss Piedmont over here? Funk Off Falkins. As

(25:52):
much as I dislike him, Poppins is the last person
I'd expect to snitch. I mean, this guy lives and
breathes the all cops are Astart's credo what. I hate
to say it, but I actually think he's telling them,
telling the what Bula? Oh what is this? I'm suddenly

(26:16):
so dizzy and light bulah Are you okay? Oh? Here
comes to the darkness. Rebecca, where are we What do
you mean? We're on a bus? Shit? Another blackout. That's

(26:41):
twice in one day, and it's the first time I've
had one with another person around, and judging from the
fact that the sun is now down, I must have
been out for a while. She must know something's up.
But I've got to play this cool of are so
now we're on a bus? I meant, what neighborhood? That's

(27:05):
like married right there? Yeah? Sure, as I must be blind?
Oh no, it's Poppins? Who's blind? After what you did?
Is she serious? Did I heard the guy? Oh no,
I must play it cool. Yeah right, he's fine. You're right.

(27:25):
He is such a drama Leean. So um, you really
think it's him? Huh? There's no way he's a rat. Huh.
But you literally called him a two faced rat to
his face and then you dumped a beer on his head.
I did, But why would I say that? I Poppins
is your guy? Where are we going now? I told

(27:47):
you you might be sure about Poppins, but I need
to check everyone out before I make any conclusions. You know,
you've been acting extra weird today. It's almost like you
like I've it, and it's funny. There were a few
times you kind of just reminded me of Savannah. You're right,
that is funny. This is it our last stop. It's

(28:13):
gonna hurt more than the others. I've been here before.
I doubt that Basil lives here, but it feels so familiar. Why.
I can't explain what I'm feeling right now? I just no,
it's not good. Come on, let's get this over with.

(28:38):
Can I get eat you something to drink? Basil's place
is pretty clean and orderly for a guy who lives alone.
For starving artist Barista, a place near Lake Merritt must
be a fortune. I'm not sure what I was expecting,
but it's not this nothing for me, Basil. I'll have

(28:58):
a glass of water coming right though. So what brings
you here? Unknownst one glass of water for miss Bulah. Thanks.
I care about you, Basil a lot. Don't tell me
you're breaking up with me. I want to know what
you've been doing. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

(29:19):
You saw jewelry at the cafe and work behind the
counterpart time. Yeah, you don't live in the bottoms. You
don't seem to want for much. My parents support me
and not this. I know that's what you told me.
It's true. Maybe it is, But can you explain why
I saw an FBI agent leaving your house earlier? Yeah,

(29:41):
that's right. I came by this morning after the raid,
only to see the man responsible for it shaking your hand.
Chuck was here. He came over unquestioned me questions about you, Rebecca. Yeah,
I'm not finished. A few minutes after he left, guess
who showed up. Yeah that's right, my best friend, Beaule

(30:02):
of Rhodes. I saw Beaulet looking like a ghost wearing
Savannah dress, and it clicked Basil's FBI. Rebecca, I'm not
an FBI agent. Maybe it's just a stress of everything
that's happen catching up to you know. Oh please just
stop gaslighting. Really, you two have been collaborating the whole time.

(30:25):
I trusted you, Basil. Are you even Jamaican? Of course
I'm Jamaican. Yeah, you're pretty slick, is what you are?
You know. I've gotta make my bullshit. Reader is usually
so good too, But you got me. If y'all just
sleeping together, I would never do that, but I can't
deny it. Can I I woke up in Savannah dress.

(30:48):
I can't account for my time. Rebecca's right. There's nothing
I can do but tell the truth. Rebecca. I haven't
been well. Really, I've been having these blackouts. I can't
neverthealize you. All day long, I've waited for you to
tell me the truth, to come clean. This ship wasn't
even about Poppins and Ernie. It's about you and me friends.

(31:12):
Right then, I give you one more chance before I
cut ties. Rebecca, Please please, I don't remember coming here.
It was nice of you to play along with the
fine rat game. I guess the game's over now, isn't it. Yeah,
this is the last time I speak to you ever.
Stay away from me. Oh my god, you know what

(31:41):
is I'm definitely not okay. I need you to tell
me what the hell is going on? Right now? Yah,
she's gone. There's no need to pretend any pretend pretend
what the night is the storage locker? Earlier today I
blacked out. That's the truth. I know you take it
covered very seriously. I tortinally get it. But aren't you
relieve that everything is out and the open? Now? Come on?

(32:02):
Give me a huge off me. Are you listening to me?
What is all this between me and you? This was
our job. I feel bad Rebecca got hurt, but he's done.
Chuck confirmed it earlier. He's got everything he needs. Now
you and I can finally move on with our lives.
Get out of workland unstopped over. You have no idea

(32:23):
how crazy this sounds to me right now? This is bananas.
I barely even know you. Is this your attempt to
deal with your guilt over the bomb? Bomb? What I
agreed to twart because you couldn't have it on your conscience?
What was the points if you're still gonna feel about anyway?
You bombed, resist, refused, cafe? Yes, and you build it?

(32:44):
Not a very good one, but good enough. Wow. Look,
I'll give you some spears. Figure your ship talked, You're
nowhere to find hold on. I have a question. Why
is Chuck so obsessed with Rebecca and Owen? What's she

(33:04):
up to that's so dangerous? Really, Beula, you're the one
who briefed me on this. Just tell me California independence
steers secession. They want California to become its own sovereign country.
So you see we're the good guys. Good you said,

(33:26):
we're the good guys, Basil. We bombed the cafe, A
man died, and for what. Ox chuck about Dot one,
What do you mean, he added, It didn't say why.
Neither of us wanted to do it, but it's not
our job to question us. This is way more messed
up than I could have imagined, and something tells me

(33:48):
this isn't over, despite Basil's optimism. In fact, it feels
like the beginning of something, not the end. Rebecca is
not going to stop quitting, isn't in her DNA. And now,
for some reason, there's one question swirling in my mind
so loud I can almost hear it. What would Savannah
do