December 2, 2025 • 46 mins
In this podcast, Martha joins QVC host and podcaster Shawn Killinger on her show, 50+ & Unfiltered. Martha and Shawn have known each other for 17-years - since Shawn was one of the competitors on the television reality series, The Apprentice: Martha Stewart. Here, the two talk about everything from who are Martha’s best friends, what makes Martha cry, who was her first love, secrets to aging gracefully, to her books, her family, her work, and of course, her legacy. Listen in to hear Martha up close and personal. It’s an hour you don’t want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, then, how to begin? What a full circle moment?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Martha Stewart has been called here we go, terrifyingly competent. Ooh,
intimidating at a dinner party. Oh, I would interject, just
at a dinner party. Snoop Dogg calls her ms even
though we know I learned this on one of my shows.
You don't like nicknames and you don't like aprons.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
She's written one hundred and one books. This, by the way,
just recently relaunched, is her very first.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Number forty on the Amazon bestseller list today only after
two days. Isn't that great? It is so great out
of all books on Amazon. I can't believe it after
forty three years.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Martha Helen Stuart, I would like to thank you for
coming on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Thank you. I have seen you for how many years
at QBC seventeen years? And you were on the Apprentice
in what year?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Two thousand and five?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And I fired her?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I did, We're going to get there.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
But I wrote you a nice letter. I have it.
Oh good, I have it? Oh good?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Wait would you like to read it? I was going
to have you read it.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I will read the letter that I wrote, and.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Did you like doing the Apprentice?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I did like doing it because I met some really
good good talent.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
What do you mean, like in the contestants? Yeah, did
you hire them? I hired one, right, the Dawn Girl,
that one.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, and then and I didn't hire Bethany, and I
didn't hire you. But what I did was when I
fired someone from the Apprentice, and we had we had
several I think we had ten apprentices sixteenth, since she
remembers better than I do, sixteen apprentices. I wrote them
a formal letter instead of just calling you up on
(01:57):
the phone saying you're fired, I wrote, and it's on
my stationery, the founder founder stationary.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Can you believe it took me two hours to find
this yesterday, but I found it? If you think I'm
ever throwing that away? And by the way, so this
is episode three. It was a wedding cake challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And you did miserably.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I did miserably, but I'd like to say my team
did miserably. I mean, it wasn't just okay.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You're going to push off on your team.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Do you remember do you remember what I said.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That Sean tonight? I know was difficult for you. You
have a career in television. You can develop your talent
in the medium very well. You look good, you speak well,
and you certainly are talkative. The culture at Martha Stewart
Living Omnimedia is very complex, and I want to stress
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again that what we do here has to be thorough,
through and through, beautiful from the inside out, just like
the wedding cake. You, as you build your career, will
find this business lesson to be valid and true. Best
of luck, Martha Stewart, because you faked it and you
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told me you could fake it till you make it,
and I do not believe that as a very good
business rule, and I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So you've never had to like fake confidence in something
that you didn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
No, faking confidence is different than faking a product.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
No, No, I wasn't faking a product. I just meant
like faking confidence in the moment that you, you know, are uncertain.
I feel like I've faked it my whole life. Well
that's bad, No it's not. And I'll tell you why,
because I'm fifty three now and well I want your
unfiltered thoughts. Yeah, give that back, because it's going to
be worth some money on eBay. I faked it until
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probably around forty nine, when I came into my skin
and I felt comfortable in my skin and I found
myself confidence, which none of those things were true when
I was with you on two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Five.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
If you were a young thing, what did you what
did you didn't like me?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
No? I didn't think you were bad. Look I said.
I didn't say that. I said you were talented, You
belong on television.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, no bad thoughts about it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
No, No, I didn't have bad thoughts about anybody except
one contestant and uh I got one of the guys,
but I can't even remember his name. I have to
go look back at my set.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I didn't you feel something bad about that person?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Just not nice? Not a nice person.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So, okay, guess what this is how we begin the podcast.
I feel like I'm going to hit my stride here.
I mean, I wore diapers today because this is a
very intimidating experience. But god damn it, I have worked
a long time for this full circle moment, and I
am so excited that you're here. Do you mind if
I swear? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Absolutely not? Okay, great, I have a I have a
swearing bandshe you have a daughter? You do?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Alexa swears and the grandson also swear he's only thirteen. Yeah, okay.
We start this podcast with burning questions. Now normally there
are three, but Martha, Hall and Stewart. Because you are Martha.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Helen, Helen Castyros Stewart.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Helen castiras Stewart after Mom, your maiden. I have extended
it to ten. Are you available for this?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They're intended to go rapid five?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Number one, Martha, how old are you?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I am? H? Let me see eighty four?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Number two? Who is your best friend?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
My best friend is probably Oh, it's a cross between
Charlotte and Terry and Dominique and Steven.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Who are these people neighbors?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, no, not neighbors, well they kind of, some of
them live close by. Charlotte Beers was the CEO of
Ogilvy Mayther, the number one woman and American advertising brilliant,
fabulous person. She lives in Charleston now, but we talk
quite often, several times a week. Dominique is like my
second daughter. She's a gorgeous mother of four, very very wealthy,
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and an avid gardener.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Is that a prerequisite to be a good friend with Martha.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Have to be of means and like, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I don't sense that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
No, not at all. But she grew poor, she was. Yeah,
I grew up a modest household. Right, I don't call
I never said I was poor, right, I always said
I was the modest.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Household, notly New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah. My father was making thirteen thousand dollars a year
when I first started paying attention to annual income. Can
you imagine his family of eight on thirteen thousand dollars
a year.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Were you close with mom and dad?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh? Yes, very extremely close. I was the favorite child.
Oh really it was. I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
How do you know that?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Because everyone knew.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
That, we do you get along with your siblings since
they know you call yourself the favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I still speak very very nicelyach of my older brother Eric.
But he was kind of a lone wolf, but very
smart and went off to dental school, became a dental
dental surgeon up in Buffalo, New York. A hunter, a
craftsman of great skill. He can he can build anything.
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And then I had another brother. We were boy girl
boy girl boy girl. My next brother, Frank, he's a
Vietnam veteran, wow, which was not nice, not nice for him.
And then my sister Kathy, who now lives in Austin,
Texas and in Greenwich, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Oh wait, are you saying that you know for certain
you were the favorite child? And is that was because
you were one of the youngest.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Why do you say I was the old I was
second oldest, oh, second oldest, and I took my mother's
place when I needed to. I had to fill in
for mom. There's only eighteen years from the oldest to youngest.
But I was always like the second mother, Okay, and
you know that that person and dad favored me because
he took me places and did things with me that
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he didn't do with the other kids.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And do any of her siblings mind this, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
If they did. They probably maybe they do. Maybe that's
maybe that's deep seated.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You know, but you don't like psychiatrists. I heard you
who do not Wait, let's keep going. I always get
derailed on these name something that makes you cry?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
What's going on in the world makes me cry every day?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
No, but I mean literal tears.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Literal I cry. No, I like to cry once a day.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Are you serious.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Absolutely, and I cry over over tragedy that it could
be easily avoid.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You will cry once a day. Oh yeah, wow, this
is we're what are we? Nine minutes twenty four seconds
in and already we're like we're hitting the big juicy meat.
What is your favorite swear word.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
My favorite swear word is I guess eyes. It's so good. Yeah,
it's such a good one. So good.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Who was your first love?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
My first love was actually the guy I married when
I was nineteen years old. I fell madly in love
with this tall, handsome lead He was in law school
at Yale. I fell madly in love with him.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Why what about him made you fall in love?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He was sexy, he was really, really smart. We hit
it off nicely. We had things to talk about all
the time. And I still talk to him. Nope, at all,
not at all.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I heard in the divorce agreement that he said that
part of the condition of divorcing you was that you
weren't allowed to call him. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I wasn't allowed to call him. I've just found out
because I just signed a wonderful contract for my autobiography
that I'm not allowed to write about him for real
or our marriage. Why is that? But they have been
he and his third or whatever she is, fourth wife
have been maligning me online. So I don't think that
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would hold up in court. No, so that's stipulation.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So I make you sad? What just the state of
that relationship that like?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, he's a jerk, Martha dundd Okay, next one?
Who is your last love?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
My last love? I don't. I'm writing about those things
in my book. I have a whole chapter on the
men in my life.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You have a current memoir you're writing?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, when is it coming out? Juicy? Juicy?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Am I just giving one a last love?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, I don't have a last I mean the last,
like the last most recent one.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh he's he's still alive. Well in Europe? Oh? Is
he royal? No?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
How'd you meet him?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But I met him in the south of France. Oh
and he's pretty hot?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Is that the number one? What if someone's not hot
but they're a great person, they're really smart, they're really successful.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
They have to be all of that before they're hot.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, fine, so that that stuff comes first.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think we're at like number seven. Now, have you
ever had plastic surgery. Nope, would you ever have classic surgery?
I'm trying not to ever go under the knife? Really why?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Uh? It doesn't appeal to me really, and I'm trying
why not. I have this theory that if one takes
care of oneself really well and follows strict but not
life threatening kinds of disciplines, one can look good, feel good,
and be good for a whole life.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, but you wouldn't just like, you know, does it
look like I need pasic? What I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm eighty four years old. I know you are, and
I'm trying so hard to look really good.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So you're not rolling it out?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No? No, fine. My mother came to me when she
was eighty five and asked if I would help her
get a facelift for real. Oh yeah? And did she
do it? Oh? And I said, I said, Mom, Yeah,
I know a really good guy, Jerry Imber. I am
b e R Jerry. I think he might still be practicing.
But I took her to see him, and he had
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a big, fancy Fifth Avenue office, you know, And and
he said he looked at her and he said, you're
a beautiful woman. I can't make you look younger, but
I can make you look better. So she went for
it and how to go and she looked great. My
mom looked great. I mean she was even photographed by
Annie Leebowitz.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You're really close with mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
She was well. She was a good friend, really good friend.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
What's that? I read that there was a Sunday thing mom?
Did mom live with you or did she live near
you every Sunday? What would you guys do? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
My father died, I always say prematurely. He shouldn't have died.
He died from a you know, stupid miss miss diagnosis.
But but my mom lived with my youngest sister, Laura,
who lost her husband when her she had two kids,
and when the youngest child was only less than one
year old, he died. So my sister moved in with
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my mother, and then I helped them buy a house
up near me and Caneta. So mom lived very close.
And Mom was also like the babysitter for my animals,
and she took care of my house. When I had
to go to Alderson Federal Penitentiary, my mom moved into
my house and took care of everything, and we were
always close.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Always last burning question, have you ever had a near
death experience.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know, are you sure?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, because I read that you said you were struck
by lightning.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Oh that wasn't fatal.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, no near death?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Oh well, I don't consider that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, we're really struck by lightning?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Oh three times?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
When?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And where?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well? The first time I was standing at my sink
in our little We had a fabulous little cottage in Middlefield, Massachusetts,
on fifty acres, and I was washing dishes and there
was a pretty little Williamsburg Ye garden that I had
built out front, and there was a wellcasing. Do you
know what a wellcasing is. It's the middle tubic middle
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pipe that was down into the ground and the water
you drill down there and then the water comes up
through another pipe. And I was the water was running,
and I saw the lightning. I was just looking out
the window washing dishes, and the lightning came zig zagging
down to the will casing. I saw it go down
down the pipe, and then all of a sudden, it
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came out of the faucet in the water and zapped
me right in my stomach. It threw me on the floor.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
What year was this? Well? It was about nineteen sixty.
Let me see, my daughter was five, so six nineteen
seventy ish.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Did you go to the hospital?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, I just I got thrown on the floor. My
husband was in the living room and he came running
in and there I am lying on the floor and
I think, I think I was sit by lightning and
it really hurt, and I had a mark on my stomach. Yeah,
I assumed to burn a little burn. And then that
was one. And then another time I was talking on
the phone in my Westport house and the lightning. I
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was on the phone, you know, doing something in the kitchen,
and I saw a lightning come down the skylight right
through the phone into my ear and zap, zap zapp.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And is it I know there's been no adverse effects
from three lightning strikes.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, And then it was and then another time in
the garden, and it's and I always joke that I'm,
you know, attractive to lightning. Why I have, obviously what
I've also been electrocuted once. Where was that? Oh it
was a horrible That was the worst and that one
actually did hurt me and I did have to go
to the hospital. I was on a TV set in
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California and in this beautiful little town. Oh, I forgot
the name Bolinas. In Bolinas, California, outside of San Francisco.
And we were at an oyster farm. So I was
standing in the water with waiters on, you know, big heavy,
big boots, and we were doing a whole how to
harvest oyster segment for my show. And who knew that
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my boot had a hole in it and my foot
was really in water. I didn't even feel it, but
I was standing in water, and the I can call
him stupid because he was stupid. The electrician who was
wiring in the lights and stuff in the water had
a short and I grabbed and I just grabbed to
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fix something. I grabbed a metal stand and the electricity
was I felt it in my foot and I felt
it coming up my leg and I let go of
the stand. Luckily I let go because it was going
to go right to my heart. Oh. So I let go,
and then I thought I'm all right, and I finished
the segment. That night, I collapsed and I went to
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the hospital and they found the big burn marks on
my ankle just where the lightning had entered, and they said, boy,
you're lucky. You let go of that stand. Talk about
this was going to take up all our time making
talking about No, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm keeping a clear eye all the time because you
have a heart out.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And man, these are stories. They're fun because they're real
and they're clear.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yes, I like real.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And then there's a whole book about people who get
hit by lightning and survive.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You do realize that you there's just you are an
out of this world enigma, like I.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Come from another place.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Okay, okay, are you ready? I would like to pivot
into Martha's career.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Pivot is one of my least favorite ones.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Please tell me why?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Oh I hate the word?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Why is it overused?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
My gosh?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, what's a good synonym for pivot?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Uh? We can now like to shift? Yeah, well shift
is okay, it's not a great one.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
What should I say?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now we can get on with our interview and move
on to another subject.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Let us now graciously and gracefully move on to the
forthcoming topic, which is Martha's small career. I would just
like to say, in the past month, at eighty four,
here's just a few things in the past few weeks
that have kept her busy. She announced a Crumbled Dessert collaboration.
She has been launched shot in very good reviews. It
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looks fabulous. She has been launching her ELM Bioscience's skincare line.
She went to a grand reopening of the newly restored
Waldorf for Story on Park Avenue. She attended a literary
event with the creator of Grey's Anatome. She launched an
ambassadorship with Fashion File luxury consignment brand. She went to
dinner with Mayor Bloomberg at the Frick Collection Snoop Dogg.
There was some photo shoot. Billie Eilish, you took your
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granddaughter Jude to a concert by the Way, Jagger my
Jagger eight years old. Her middle name is Jude. Oh,
it's a great name.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Does she like Billie Eilish. She doesn't even know who
she is.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I keep it really insulated from pop culture because it's
just yeah. You attended lunch with or the launch of
the Kim Kardashian skims and Nike collaboration. You sat down
with Vogue new editor in chief Chloe mal for an interview.
You attended the launch of a Jennifer Fisher store on
Madison Avenue. Attended a j Crewe Fashion Week event. Oh
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dear Lord, Then wait, there was still more. You appeared
on the Today Show, The Drew Barrymore Show that was
kind of weird farm life and gardening. You say, well,
she went to a chrysanthemum seminar. She brought her island
Norfolk Island pines in for the winter. I'd love to
know what a handsome European hornbeam is. And your love
of the wild American walnut was chronicled on social not
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to mention, you bottled your own Burgundy red wine vinegar.
You visited the Hollywood Company in Indiana, the factory that
makes your sustainable patio furniture. You rescued and adopted two Freezians.
I don't know if you're tired yet, but I'm getting there.
You flew to Wyoming, Miracle Grow had an event on
their bougie ranch. You were there, You had a thirst
trap photoshoot who with hairdresser Chris Appleton, and then somehow
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you made it here to QVC in Philly for twenty
four hour TSV. Does that sound accurate?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, you left out all the talks I had to
give during that time. Yeah, for Goldman Sachs, for I
give I lecture. I'm in that circuit and they pay you, right,
I mean these are yeah, paid lecture circuit. But it's
so much fun because you get to meet so many
people and so many diverse occupations. I met with a
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whole bunch of realatures. I met with a lot of
small businesses with the Golden Sex Small Business Foundation.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But you're not tired none of this. Do you ever
get tired?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I get it. I get tired. Yeah, and I
And when I went to that ranch in Wyoming, I
actually got serious. We all did got serious food poison
eating a guinea fowl that was slaughtered at the farm.
And uh, a guinea fowl.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's why I don't eat guinea fowl. Oh my god,
it is a guinea fowl.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Is that a bird? Yeah, it's a bird. It's like
it's like a cross between a chicken and a turkey
kind of. It's a good gauge, you know, when you
were eating it. No, no, no, but but we tried
all of us ate that bird, so we think it
was that. But but oh my gosh, I was sick
for a week, but I had to keep working. I
can never take off. Why well, I can't cancel anything.
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These are they're uncanceled, canceled because they're paying. It's in
the contract, can't cancel except for.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So why are you finding so much contracts and memberment?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Oh, dear, because I like to work. I like to work,
and I like to learn, and I like to go places,
and I like to be busy and uh and I
like to be productive and I never know what I'm
going to learn that day.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Does that come from mom and dad?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Oh? Yes, absolutely. We were encouraged to be really, really
proactively busy and learn stuff. One of my mottos is
learned something new every day.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Another one of your mottos is when you're through changing.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You're through. Actually I totally believe that, Do you really?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Oh yeah, I kind of do too.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And everybody says, oh, you're reinventing yourself. I'm not reinventing.
That's not the good word, because evolving, Yes, I evolve.
And that's because evolving is a natural evolution of a natural.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Change in your which is healthy and good and.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Your looks and your behavior in the in the way
you do things. And to reinvent means total change. You can't.
You can't. I mean, I don't mean change like that.
You're not. I'm not changing my my bodily shape or
anything except to get better hopefully quick pause.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Do you like games?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Games? I play some games.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay, this game is called would you ever?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Would you ever? Let yourself go fully gray?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I don't even have gray hair. Come on, I don't
My mother didn't have gray hair. I don't have gray hair.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
What colors your hair?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sort of like dirty brown blonde?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You don't have any grace, not according to my hairdresser.
Do you have any facial hair that you at this
age have to like, you know, the chin hairs, the
stuff that comes out when you least expect it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Oh, I have my face wax like once every three months.
Oh you do? Don't you do that? No?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
This lady on QVC sells that dermaflash thing, so I've
used it, and I kind of like that. I don't
you like the face waxing?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You think that's.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Julia and Julian Pharrill is the best face wax or
best wax or you know. She started doing my eyebrows
and then I have a little beauty moble here and
there's a hair in it, so that she takes that
out and then, of course you get a little bit
of mustache. Mustache. Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Would you ever pose tastefully nude?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
No? Never, No, I don't look good enough.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I would doubt that.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Oh no, I do not look good enough.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Would you ever do a Martha reality show? I'm telling
you that would be amazing?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No? Seriously, well you know that the show we just
did with with Jose Andrace, Yes, Chef was a little
bit reality. It was too script Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Script, you're better unscripted, Yes, much better.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Would you ever date a fully younger man?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I did? Who I did? Oh, this is a while ago.
I had no idea how old he was. I met
him at a at a weekend party down in Joel
Silver's house. You know Joel silver Is. He's a very
famous movie director. He did Lethal Weapons and he did
he did all those big, big matrix movies, all that stuff.
And Joel has a has a farm down in South Carolina.
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And so at that weekend we had the Skuy Bobby
he came. I didn't know him, and we had Kirk
Douglas and Catherine Zada Jones. They weren't married yet. It
is a long Michael Michael Douglas Michael, What did I say,
Michael Douglas. Then we had Ralph Lauren and his wife,
and that's getting old. Huh who Ralph?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Ralph? Ralph is old? How old is he?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He's like ninety something?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, no, no, no, no, he's in his eighties. And
he does right next door to me. He's my next door. Yeah.
And uh and Ricky Ralph and Ricky they're lovely and okay.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So you would did a younger man and you so
so No.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I met this guy and he was charming and fun
and uh, and he asked me this was Thanksgiving. It
was a Thanksgiving weekend where we where I learned all
about deep fried turkey. I had no idea about deep
fried Churchy, and that's why you said that deep fried.
I went to I went to the guest where they
deep fried the turkey. You'd never heard of you, Martha Stewart. No,
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I had heard of it, but I had never had it.
And it was so good the way they made it
at the at the gas station. So so I learned.
I then I made a product for Kmart, which was
my deep fried turkey tttle, the big twenty gallon tittle
and the ring the propane ring.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
What happened to the young guy you were dating?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
No, so he asked, He said, what are you doing
for Christmas? I said, Oh, We're going to Egypt with
have nine children going with me to Egypt. He said,
could I tag along? And I said sure. So we
started started up together. And well he was younger than
my daughter, and my daughter called him uncle Bobby, and
I had no idea he was so young, but he
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was fun. He was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Lastly, do you have any tattoos?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
No, not a one.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Would you get one?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No? Really, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Okay, fine, do you Yes, I do, but I don't
recommend it. I mean I do. I like. I like
the concept, but in list I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't know. It's not beautifying.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The first one I got made me feel like a badass.
I grew up in a very strict home. So when
I got this, when I was in my twenties on
your breadl Street, I know I was gonna get it.
Wait now, the first one I got was back here.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But our budget's pointing to But yeah, I call it
my hip.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But you're right, it's on my ass. And the thing
is is I regret both of them, because they don't
they didn't wear well over time. And now you realize,
like unless you're gonna lazer them off like they're there.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But like now, my friend Douglas Friedman, who's covered with tattoos,
was he just sounds he's a photographer, he's a famous photographer.
He did that beautiful picture of me in the bathtub
with my four Frisian horses around me. Did you see that? No?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Was that reason?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh? Yeah, for horses are like something out of a movie.
But but I'm sitting in the bathtub and the four
Fresians are all four just hanging out around me.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And wait where is this photo? Is it on your Insta?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh? Yeah, it's on there and on Douglas's too, But
it was for Cooler the Test Iron Naimal Cast. Yeah. Anyway,
Douglas just he has I mean, he's completely covered and
he just he's just trying to cover his left forearm
because he didn't like I think it's probably a boyfriend's
name or something, right, So he had it all, you know,
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completely black. Oh it looks so awful.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh gosh, did you tell him that you did?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Oh? Of course?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Are you ever afraid you're gonna hurt people's feelings.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh, I don't. I'm not. You know, he's a friend.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I can tell him anything, can Is there anything that
hurts your feelings? Nope, you're not sensitive.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, you're not sense I can't be sensitive. I've lived
through it all. You can't be sensitive.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's so funny you just said that, because as I
glanced down, this is one quote that I read of
you that I just freaking love. Someone asked you about
I guess your relevancy at eighty four in pop culture
in twenty twenty five, and you're like, because I'm cool
and not only can I cook, I hang out with
Snoop Dogg. And I've gone to jail and I've been
through the ringer and I've come out alive. Right, did
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you grow tougher? Have you always been tough?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
No? I think I've always been tough. What made you?
Although I wish being one of six kids fighting for
my life all the time in a house of brothers
punching me and stuff, I mean it was. It wasn't
a rough and tumble household. I shouldn't say that that way.
But we were scrappy and we really and we really
had to make our own way. Our parents made it
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very clear that you had to work for what you
were going to get, and we were all smart enough
to get what we worked for if we were smart
enough to do it. So that was always part of
the conversation, which is a good way to grow up.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
When you were on my yes, it is. When you
were on my show. You love history, the archives, the
saving things, so that seems sentimental to me. You told
me that you have all of your genes from high school.
I heard that you have all of your report cards.
You apparently have a Georgio ARMANI love all his clothes,
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and so you have an entire archive of all of
your outfits since you started getting famous. I do, so
you save everything.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, I'm not a hoarder. No, no, obviously, I am
an archivist and it's helping me so much. Writing and autobiography. Ye,
memoir is so so difficult, and I don't remember if
it happened in nineteen eighty or nineteen ninety or And
so I have this great guy, Kevin O'Leary, who's a
famous he's a famous writer himself, but he's he's been
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become my chronologist, and so he's going through everything. He
hasn't done the pictures yet. I can't wait for him
to get into it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
But what along the way made you think I'm going
to keep all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I just that it's just a natural thing for me.
I like history. I studied history, and historians have to
have archives to go through to understand how the past
has influenced the future and the present. So it's just
a natural thing.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Are you proud of yourself?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'm happy with myself.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm so impressed by you.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's good being happy with yourself. I mean, I don't
want to be I don't want to be miserable with myself.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So you're happy, you're a happy person.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
No, I don'm not. I'm not. No, I'm I'm an
okay person.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You're okay? What would make you happier?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I have pretty much everything I need. I just I
would say so I would like to I'd like to
spend more time with my little family. For Thanksgiving, We're
going away together. I'm so happy. And I see you
guys going. We're going to Utah to a fabulous environment
out there.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
In the Alexis Truman, Jew and Jude.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, we're and we're spending four full days doing hiking
and horseback riding and rafting on a river. And you
know it's near the Grand Canyon and it's near Zion
National Park. Oh, and it's going to be fabulous.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
So wait, I hear you love being a grandma?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Oh? I love?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
What's your grandma name?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Is it? Like me?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Me?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Martha?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
They just call you Martha.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They called me Martha since they were born.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Do you know how it's hysterical that is that your
grandchildren call you by your first name.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh and all their friends call me Martha. None of
them call me missus Stuart. I'm not a missus Stuart.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
You know, even as babies, you were like, call me Martha.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
No, no, I didn't say that. They called me Martha.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
My daughter calls me Martha Alexa.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
She's always called me Martha.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Do you like being a mom?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Was it easy?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's better being a grandma. Why just because they're easier
and they're not quite so easy?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did you have like a fraud relationship with Alexis growing up?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Oh? Not growing up so much as later in life. Really,
Oh my god? Even now even now, oh even now
we talk, I mean we're I would say we're friends,
and I'm sure she loves me, but I definitely love her,
and and we we do lots of things together.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We've tried to you the same. Are you opposites or
very different?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Very different? I'm an extrovert, she is in you aren't.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So you refuel by being around people?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I like people? Yeah, yeah, I like being with people.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Are you ever intimidated by a person? I try not
to be, but I mean naturally like. You're not around
anybody who makes you nervous?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
No? No, are you ever scared of anything? Just maybe
jumping out of an airplane?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Have you ever done that?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No? Would you do that?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
If I had to wait pause for a game, because
I can feel someone Nascy's going to come out of
that room and say it's over. Her time's up, and
I didn't even get my full hour, So just hang on.
Here's another game. Would you be willing to play rapid Fire.
I'm going to give you names of people, and you
give me one word that comes to mind when you
hear their names. Number one, Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
One word silly, snoop dog, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
That's we'll get back to that. Julia Child, totally important,
Rachel Ray fun King, Charles somber Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Amazing, Oh my gosh, I love your face when you're
like amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Really yeah, because she's such a badass.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh, but I wrote the story about her when she
won the Time one hundred. What do you mean? I
had to write the biography of Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
When was this?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh? When she thought it was maybe ten years ago.
Time asked me to write the.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Did you know her intimately at the time.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
No, I talked to her a little bit, and I
had met Chris and and I knew, I knew all
about them. This is before she became the really right,
right right Kim Kardashian. But I knew Kanye. She was
married to Kanye at the time. So I wrote about
them as a family, and I wrote about them as
the modern day Brady Bunch, And that's what they are.
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Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You know what? You're so right? You're so right? How insightful?
Snoop Dogg?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You said that already? No, I know, but I mean,
I said, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
No I know, but like, how did you It's so unlikely.
I saw a photo of him sneaking.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Up at you on you Yes, yeah, well that was
Just last week, I was in California doing a commercial
for a new business we're involved in. Of course, it
is still Gin. It's called still Gin, and it's such
a cute thing and the gin is really good and
which we're thinking that it might actually become a new
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favorite drink, you know, maybe even better than favorite vodka
or tequila.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh, Harry Slackin, who shares a birthday weeke with you?
So I know your friends. The King of home Fragrance
lives for gin and he takes credit for you drinking
your first gin martini with him. And is that your
favorite cocktail?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
And it is now because I am the I am
the folks, I am the mixologist for still Gin.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Wait, so back to Snoop Dogg. By the way, this
is what I heard you said once, among many things,
Snoop needs a light. Apparently he developed some phone case
with a lighter. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, okay, fine, And it's your quote is Snoop needs
a lighter a lot more during the day than I
need it. I need it more at night when I'm
lining candles, are cooking at the stove. What's the deal
with this unlikely friendship?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Uh? He was on my show. I like, I like rap,
and he was on my show You like Rap? Yeah,
And and he he came on, Usher came on, Puff
Daddy came on, You Like Rap. I wanted. The one
person that never came on my show was eminem I love,
Oh my God. And he sends me things. He sends
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me Mother's tomato sauce. And he sent me a jacket
that says Mother's on it and he signed it so
with this Snoop thing and Snoop just we hit it
off because he's he's like, he's like fun. And I
thought he was an old man when I first met him.
I thought he was like in his sixties.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And he you guys, he was forty.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
He's forty. No, now he's fifty two. I've known him
for more than twelve years.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You ever smoked weed with him?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I don't smoke.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You don't know. Have you ever smoked a cigarette?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I had to for Terry Chin commercials when you were
modeling is. I told her how to smoke a cigarette.
It was so painful, but it's it's a very cute commercial.
I looked great, and I love a cigarette, So you do.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
My mom smoke with me in the womb.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
My mom smoked one or two cigarettes every night, sitting
at the kitchen table and inside, Oh that's a hard
person kitchen Well, no, no, that's the only she only
had one or two.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Like smoking indoors back.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Then, just one or two camels. And I would sit
there Mom, and I'd hold her hand and she'd be
she elegantly puffing on her cigarette. I mean, after six kids,
after cooking all those meals at eighteen meals a day,
I mean, come on, she could have a cigarette a day.
It was just charming and she and she looked good
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at doing it. But no, I don't smoke, and Snoop
does that. He just blows smoke in my face and
you don't mind it. No, I like the smell of
I like to smoke.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You like the smell of the week, do yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I like secondhand smoke.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh another quick pause for a game that we call
what's in your medicine cabinet? What toothpaste do you use?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I will? You know? You just go to the go
to the drug store now and try to find a toothpaste.
There's a million toothpastes, right, And so we had a
we had some guy come on our on our We
had a big business meeting once and he came on
to talk about toothpaste and how many different brands there
were and how you could you possibly So what do
(37:31):
you use? I use Crest and there's a new one
that came out for christ Crest. I think it's called
Extra White or something I find, So I use that.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Use the Sonic toothbrush.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I have that on each sink. But I'm generally and
such a big rush that I pick up, you know,
one of my natural pristal brushes and brush. But I
brush my teeth a lot during the day. I brushed
them like four or five times a day.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
What's your favorite perfume?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And I have all my own teeth.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They look great.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yes, what Fraca has always been my profits?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Didn't Marilyn Monroe wear that?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know's the one that smells like yess and
tuber rows. Yes, and that's been my favorite since I
was nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Five minutes Okay, we got the five minute call. What
I'm going to speed talk?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What doo don't you use? I?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Oh? I use Clarence. It's very hard to find, Yeah,
and it really works. Oh, it's the best. Okay, No, smell. No, no,
it's not slimy. You know it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You relaunched Entertaining, Yes, and so I read through it
all last night, and I would like to read you
a couple of things that just give me utter delight.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, it's really nice about this woman. She's prepared.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Heck yeah, remember when I did your Halloween show. Oh,
I know everything about your love of Halloween. How you
give kids who trick or try at your house actual cash?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Oh? Yeah, they got cash. This that's a good neighbor.
I made twenty five Halloween little packages for to give out.
In the package with a Jubai chocolate bar.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You know. By the way, I just heard that you
had this store in Dubai. It's all your stores hot
in Dubai.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm going next week.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
What do they sell?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh? All my housewares? It's Martha Home.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
How come you don't have a store here?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I don't know. That's my bosses you.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Your hand is in so much I don't know how
you keep it straight. A lot to consider in your
Entertaining book, of which I love that you relaunched it
this week, because all the cool twenty somethings are obsessed
with You, Martha eighty four.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, because they watched the documentary and they realize that
here's a woman that has done a lot and is
still relevant and that's why. And they went to their
moms trying to get the book, and moms aren't giving
it up, and they know that you can buy it
on well before the new edition, you could buy it
on eBay. So now for fifty dollars you can get
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effects simile, which means exact edition.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
In this book, an egg is probably one of the
most complete, beautiful objects in itself in the whole world
of cuisine. You feel that way.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh yeah, I raised my own chickens and I get
my own eggs. I get on average, and I average
about twenty four eggs a day from my chickens.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And when it comes to this entertaining book, I hear
there's a really good story about you and ex husband
Andy with a Luau party. There's some story you tell
what happened.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Oh no, no, he came and helped and that was
a big party for catering. Yeah, I was catering, and
that's what started this book. I was a caterer. I
had had a nice career on Wall Street. I retired
from Wall Street, and I decided, well, I really like
to cook, and I would start a catering business, which
were at that time there were very few good caterers.
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And so I started in Connecticut, and then I started
being asked in cater in New York, and Pepsi Coo,
which is nearby.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Hired you hired me to jew A Luau and young
Martha her with her strawberry basket. I've got a quot
about the store basket.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh isn't that nice?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Wasn't that some baroness's strawberry basket?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Oh? Yes, baroness. Well, her last name was Starring. Let's
start hang on uh.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
It once belonged to the baroness. He'lla onribe.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
He'll live on Rebay who lived her property to join
my property in Westport, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, I have to talk fast because now we
have three minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
And Hilla, Hilla built the most beautiful house, the Starring Mansion,
and it was and she was responsible for the Guggenheim Museum.
She had. She had affairs with Simon uh Solomon Guggenheim
and with Frank Lloyd Wright, and she got them together
to build the Guggenheim museum. See what I learned?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Why can't you be here for longer? I honestly, and
I feel like we can talk friends.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
But you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna read my autobiography.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'm gonna read that. Yeah, and I'm gonna come busy you.
You're gonna have me stay over at your house because
I feel like we are going to be friends.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Excellent? Don't you like me after all these years? Yes? Y? Wait?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Final burning? I do three final burning questions? Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
What is your last meal on this earth?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
My last probably scrambled egg?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Are you for real?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
For my chickens?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That's it, That's all you wanted, your last meal.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
They're the most delicious things on earth.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I mean, okay, do you put butter in your scrambled eggs?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Are? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Do you want to be buried or cremated?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh? I'm going to be composted.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Do you know what five people said to me ahead
of time? They knew I was asking you that, and
they were like, oh, she's totally going to be composted.
I mean, now, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
When one of my horses dies, we dig a giant
hole really deep in one of my fields. We have
a pet cemetery, and the horse is wrapped in a
Thien white linen sheet and very carefully drop down into
this giant, lovely grave. I want to go there.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Are you allowed to do that?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Is that legal to wrap you in a white sheet
and just bury you in?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
It's not going to hurt anybody. It's my property.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I mean, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But are these coffin things and all that stuff? No way, tombstone?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Wait? Third burning question?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Do you believe in God? I think I? Do you
think you do.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Anything else you'd like to say about that? No? We
have time for a fourth brain question, so I'll keep going.
Why don't you like psychiatrists? You would never go to therapy?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I tried, I tried?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
What is? What's trying? Mean?
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Trying and trying and then and then it's so futile?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Why you don't like it when they think?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I think things are predetermined? I believe in predetermination.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
So you don't ever have junk in there that you
just need to get out?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I don't. I don't like wasting time rather read a book.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Okay, wait, I don't see anyone giving me the flag? Yeah, okay,
you're ready, let's play.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
This game terribly introspective.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
This game is called Hot or Not?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Okay, Well, you have so many games.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You just need to get inside it. I like drinking,
but like that's one word, and then when you guess it,
you're done. See mine, keep going? Okay, okay, ready?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Hot or Not?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Sylvestre Stalone not really? Have you seen Tulsa Kings.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
No, I wouldn't watch that.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Oh I am telling you I wouldn't either, And then
I did. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
He is okay.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Gordon Ramsay, uh oh okay. Ted Copple, I think he's
so cute.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Okay, fine, jelly Roll?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Who's jelly Roll?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
You wouldn't like him anyway?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
He's got tattoos on his way. I don't like him.
I mean i'd like him, right.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Who is your celebrity crush at current?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Oh? The guy who's in Hearty, Tom Hardy? Who is that?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
In Mobland?
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh? I love Mobland.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
He's the hero which one. Oh oh yeah, he's the facer,
the fixed Yes he is hot.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Is he really British?
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Oh I'm so with you, so do I?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yes, Mobland? Is there anything that I didn't ask you.
I probably should ask you about QBC clothes. Do you
really design your line on KBC? And your your ethos
for clothing is what?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Like?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
How do you feel about fashion?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Elegant, simple, wearable? Uh? No, throwaway? I don't like throw away.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Listen, I want you to know something. A. I'm grateful. B.
I'm grateful. And it's not just for this podcast. In
two thousand and five, you changed my life.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
She started on a career that has virgeoned and is
very nice. And you've done well, Yes you have.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Do you think I'm good at what I do?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah? And three kids?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
And well you can only take credit for one. The
other two are stepkids.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
But as they're flat, But don't say that because they'll
feel bad.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I'm just saying they didn't come from my womb or plan.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
But you're raising them.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
No, No, they're fully raised and they're older.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, are you nice to them?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Of course? I am so nice. I would like to
close by saying, would you ever rule out hiring me?
I mean, let's say I needed a job. What what
do you think of me as a potential?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Now, after the Apprentice and just after knowing me, you
probably evolved nicely right, yep.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
That's a compliment.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Martha, thank you very much. Sew, thank you very much.
All right, then, how to begin? What a full circle moment?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Martha Stewart has been called here we go, terrifyingly competent. Ooh,
intimidating at a dinner party. Oh, I would interject, just
at a dinner party. Snoop Dogg calls her ms even
though we know I learned this on one of my shows.
You don't like nicknames and you don't like aprons.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
She's written one hundred and one books. This, by the way,
just recently relaunched, is her very first.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Number forty on the Amazon bestseller list today only after
two days. Isn't that great? It is so great out
of all books on Amazon. I can't believe it after
forty three years.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Martha Helen Stuart, I would like to thank you for
coming on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Thank you. I have seen you for how many years
at QBC seventeen years? And you were on the Apprentice
in what year?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Two thousand and five?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And I fired her?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I did, We're going to get there.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
But I wrote you a nice letter. I have it.
Oh good, I have it? Oh good?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Wait would you like to read it? I was going
to have you read it.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I will read the letter that I wrote, and.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Did you like doing the Apprentice?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I did like doing it because I met some really
good good talent.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
What do you mean, like in the contestants? Yeah, did
you hire them? I hired one, right, the Dawn Girl,
that one.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, and then and I didn't hire Bethany, and I
didn't hire you. But what I did was when I
fired someone from the Apprentice, and we had we had
several I think we had ten apprentices sixteenth, since she
remembers better than I do, sixteen apprentices. I wrote them
a formal letter instead of just calling you up on
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the phone saying you're fired, I wrote, and it's on
my stationery, the founder founder stationary.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Can you believe it took me two hours to find
this yesterday, but I found it? If you think I'm
ever throwing that away? And by the way, so this
is episode three. It was a wedding cake challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And you did miserably.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I did miserably, but I'd like to say my team
did miserably. I mean, it wasn't just okay.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You're going to push off on your team.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Do you remember do you remember what I said.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That Sean tonight? I know was difficult for you. You
have a career in television. You can develop your talent
in the medium very well. You look good, you speak well,
and you certainly are talkative. The culture at Martha Stewart
Living Omnimedia is very complex, and I want to stress
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again that what we do here has to be thorough,
through and through, beautiful from the inside out, just like
the wedding cake. You, as you build your career, will
find this business lesson to be valid and true. Best
of luck, Martha Stewart, because you faked it and you
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told me you could fake it till you make it,
and I do not believe that as a very good
business rule, and I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So you've never had to like fake confidence in something
that you didn't know.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
No, faking confidence is different than faking a product.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
No, No, I wasn't faking a product. I just meant
like faking confidence in the moment that you, you know, are uncertain.
I feel like I've faked it my whole life. Well
that's bad, No it's not. And I'll tell you why,
because I'm fifty three now and well I want your
unfiltered thoughts. Yeah, give that back, because it's going to
be worth some money on eBay. I faked it until
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probably around forty nine, when I came into my skin
and I felt comfortable in my skin and I found
myself confidence, which none of those things were true when
I was with you on two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Five.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
If you were a young thing, what did you what
did you didn't like me?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
No? I didn't think you were bad. Look I said.
I didn't say that. I said you were talented, You
belong on television.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, no bad thoughts about it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
No, No, I didn't have bad thoughts about anybody except
one contestant and uh I got one of the guys,
but I can't even remember his name. I have to
go look back at my set.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I didn't you feel something bad about that person?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Just not nice? Not a nice person.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So, okay, guess what this is how we begin the podcast.
I feel like I'm going to hit my stride here.
I mean, I wore diapers today because this is a
very intimidating experience. But god damn it, I have worked
a long time for this full circle moment, and I
am so excited that you're here. Do you mind if
I swear? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Absolutely not? Okay, great, I have a I have a
swearing bandshe you have a daughter? You do?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Alexa swears and the grandson also swear he's only thirteen. Yeah, okay.
We start this podcast with burning questions. Now normally there
are three, but Martha, Hall and Stewart. Because you are Martha.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Helen, Helen Castyros Stewart.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Helen castiras Stewart after Mom, your maiden. I have extended
it to ten. Are you available for this?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They're intended to go rapid five?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Number one, Martha, how old are you?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I am? H? Let me see eighty four?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Number two? Who is your best friend?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
My best friend is probably Oh, it's a cross between
Charlotte and Terry and Dominique and Steven.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Who are these people neighbors?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, no, not neighbors, well they kind of, some of
them live close by. Charlotte Beers was the CEO of
Ogilvy Mayther, the number one woman and American advertising brilliant,
fabulous person. She lives in Charleston now, but we talk
quite often, several times a week. Dominique is like my
second daughter. She's a gorgeous mother of four, very very wealthy,
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and an avid gardener.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Is that a prerequisite to be a good friend with Martha.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Have to be of means and like, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I don't sense that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
No, not at all. But she grew poor, she was. Yeah,
I grew up a modest household. Right, I don't call
I never said I was poor, right, I always said
I was the modest.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Household, notly New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah. My father was making thirteen thousand dollars a year
when I first started paying attention to annual income. Can
you imagine his family of eight on thirteen thousand dollars
a year.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Were you close with mom and dad?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh? Yes, very extremely close. I was the favorite child.
Oh really it was. I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
How do you know that?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Because everyone knew.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
That, we do you get along with your siblings since
they know you call yourself the favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I still speak very very nicelyach of my older brother Eric.
But he was kind of a lone wolf, but very
smart and went off to dental school, became a dental
dental surgeon up in Buffalo, New York. A hunter, a
craftsman of great skill. He can he can build anything.
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And then I had another brother. We were boy girl
boy girl boy girl. My next brother, Frank, he's a
Vietnam veteran, wow, which was not nice, not nice for him.
And then my sister Kathy, who now lives in Austin,
Texas and in Greenwich, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Oh wait, are you saying that you know for certain
you were the favorite child? And is that was because
you were one of the youngest.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Why do you say I was the old I was
second oldest, oh, second oldest, and I took my mother's
place when I needed to. I had to fill in
for mom. There's only eighteen years from the oldest to youngest.
But I was always like the second mother, Okay, and
you know that that person and dad favored me because
he took me places and did things with me that
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he didn't do with the other kids.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And do any of her siblings mind this, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
If they did. They probably maybe they do. Maybe that's
maybe that's deep seated.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You know, but you don't like psychiatrists. I heard you
who do not Wait, let's keep going. I always get
derailed on these name something that makes you cry?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
What's going on in the world makes me cry every day?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
No, but I mean literal tears.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Literal I cry. No, I like to cry once a day.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Are you serious.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Absolutely, and I cry over over tragedy that it could
be easily avoid.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You will cry once a day. Oh yeah, wow, this
is we're what are we? Nine minutes twenty four seconds
in and already we're like we're hitting the big juicy meat.
What is your favorite swear word.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
My favorite swear word is I guess eyes. It's so good. Yeah,
it's such a good one. So good.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Who was your first love?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
My first love was actually the guy I married when
I was nineteen years old. I fell madly in love
with this tall, handsome lead He was in law school
at Yale. I fell madly in love with him.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Why what about him made you fall in love?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He was sexy, he was really, really smart. We hit
it off nicely. We had things to talk about all
the time. And I still talk to him. Nope, at all,
not at all.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I heard in the divorce agreement that he said that
part of the condition of divorcing you was that you
weren't allowed to call him. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I wasn't allowed to call him. I've just found out
because I just signed a wonderful contract for my autobiography
that I'm not allowed to write about him for real
or our marriage. Why is that? But they have been
he and his third or whatever she is, fourth wife
have been maligning me online. So I don't think that
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would hold up in court. No, so that's stipulation.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So I make you sad? What just the state of
that relationship that like?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, he's a jerk, Martha dundd Okay, next one?
Who is your last love?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
My last love? I don't. I'm writing about those things
in my book. I have a whole chapter on the
men in my life.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You have a current memoir you're writing?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes, when is it coming out? Juicy? Juicy?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Am I just giving one a last love?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, I don't have a last I mean the last,
like the last most recent one.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh he's he's still alive. Well in Europe? Oh? Is
he royal? No?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
How'd you meet him?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But I met him in the south of France. Oh
and he's pretty hot?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Is that the number one? What if someone's not hot
but they're a great person, they're really smart, they're really successful.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
They have to be all of that before they're hot.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, fine, so that that stuff comes first.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think we're at like number seven. Now, have you
ever had plastic surgery. Nope, would you ever have classic surgery?
I'm trying not to ever go under the knife? Really why?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Uh? It doesn't appeal to me really, and I'm trying
why not. I have this theory that if one takes
care of oneself really well and follows strict but not
life threatening kinds of disciplines, one can look good, feel good,
and be good for a whole life.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, but you wouldn't just like, you know, does it
look like I need pasic? What I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm eighty four years old. I know you are, and
I'm trying so hard to look really good.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So you're not rolling it out?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
No? No, fine. My mother came to me when she
was eighty five and asked if I would help her
get a facelift for real. Oh yeah? And did she
do it? Oh? And I said, I said, Mom, Yeah,
I know a really good guy, Jerry Imber. I am
b e R Jerry. I think he might still be practicing.
But I took her to see him, and he had
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a big, fancy Fifth Avenue office, you know, And and
he said he looked at her and he said, you're
a beautiful woman. I can't make you look younger, but
I can make you look better. So she went for
it and how to go and she looked great. My
mom looked great. I mean she was even photographed by
Annie Leebowitz.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You're really close with mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
She was well. She was a good friend, really good friend.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
What's that? I read that there was a Sunday thing mom?
Did mom live with you or did she live near
you every Sunday? What would you guys do? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
My father died, I always say prematurely. He shouldn't have died.
He died from a you know, stupid miss miss diagnosis.
But but my mom lived with my youngest sister, Laura,
who lost her husband when her she had two kids,
and when the youngest child was only less than one
year old, he died. So my sister moved in with
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my mother, and then I helped them buy a house
up near me and Caneta. So mom lived very close.
And Mom was also like the babysitter for my animals,
and she took care of my house. When I had
to go to Alderson Federal Penitentiary, my mom moved into
my house and took care of everything, and we were
always close.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Always last burning question, have you ever had a near
death experience.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I know, are you sure?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, because I read that you said you were struck
by lightning.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Oh that wasn't fatal.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, no near death?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Oh well, I don't consider that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, we're really struck by lightning?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Oh three times?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
When?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And where?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well? The first time I was standing at my sink
in our little We had a fabulous little cottage in Middlefield, Massachusetts,
on fifty acres, and I was washing dishes and there
was a pretty little Williamsburg Ye garden that I had
built out front, and there was a wellcasing. Do you
know what a wellcasing is. It's the middle tubic middle
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pipe that was down into the ground and the water
you drill down there and then the water comes up
through another pipe. And I was the water was running,
and I saw the lightning. I was just looking out
the window washing dishes, and the lightning came zig zagging
down to the will casing. I saw it go down
down the pipe, and then all of a sudden, it
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came out of the faucet in the water and zapped
me right in my stomach. It threw me on the floor.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
What year was this? Well? It was about nineteen sixty.
Let me see, my daughter was five, so six nineteen
seventy ish.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Did you go to the hospital?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, I just I got thrown on the floor. My
husband was in the living room and he came running
in and there I am lying on the floor and
I think, I think I was sit by lightning and
it really hurt, and I had a mark on my stomach. Yeah,
I assumed to burn a little burn. And then that
was one. And then another time I was talking on
the phone in my Westport house and the lightning. I
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was on the phone, you know, doing something in the kitchen,
and I saw a lightning come down the skylight right
through the phone into my ear and zap, zap zapp.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And is it I know there's been no adverse effects
from three lightning strikes.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, And then it was and then another time in
the garden, and it's and I always joke that I'm,
you know, attractive to lightning. Why I have, obviously what
I've also been electrocuted once. Where was that? Oh it
was a horrible That was the worst and that one
actually did hurt me and I did have to go
to the hospital. I was on a TV set in
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California and in this beautiful little town. Oh, I forgot
the name Bolinas. In Bolinas, California, outside of San Francisco.
And we were at an oyster farm. So I was
standing in the water with waiters on, you know, big heavy,
big boots, and we were doing a whole how to
harvest oyster segment for my show. And who knew that
(15:59):
my boot had a hole in it and my foot
was really in water. I didn't even feel it, but
I was standing in water, and the I can call
him stupid because he was stupid. The electrician who was
wiring in the lights and stuff in the water had
a short and I grabbed and I just grabbed to
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fix something. I grabbed a metal stand and the electricity
was I felt it in my foot and I felt
it coming up my leg and I let go of
the stand. Luckily I let go because it was going
to go right to my heart. Oh. So I let go,
and then I thought I'm all right, and I finished
the segment. That night, I collapsed and I went to
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the hospital and they found the big burn marks on
my ankle just where the lightning had entered, and they said, boy,
you're lucky. You let go of that stand. Talk about
this was going to take up all our time making
talking about No, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm keeping a clear eye all the time because you
have a heart out.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And man, these are stories. They're fun because they're real
and they're clear.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yes, I like real.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And then there's a whole book about people who get
hit by lightning and survive.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You do realize that you there's just you are an
out of this world enigma, like I.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Come from another place.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Okay, okay, are you ready? I would like to pivot
into Martha's career.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Pivot is one of my least favorite ones.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Please tell me why?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Oh I hate the word?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Why is it overused?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
My gosh?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, what's a good synonym for pivot?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Uh? We can now like to shift? Yeah, well shift
is okay, it's not a great one.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
What should I say?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now we can get on with our interview and move
on to another subject.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Let us now graciously and gracefully move on to the
forthcoming topic, which is Martha's small career. I would just
like to say, in the past month, at eighty four,
here's just a few things in the past few weeks
that have kept her busy. She announced a Crumbled Dessert collaboration.
She has been launched shot in very good reviews. It
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looks fabulous. She has been launching her ELM Bioscience's skincare line.
She went to a grand reopening of the newly restored
Waldorf for Story on Park Avenue. She attended a literary
event with the creator of Grey's Anatome. She launched an
ambassadorship with Fashion File luxury consignment brand. She went to
dinner with Mayor Bloomberg at the Frick Collection Snoop Dogg.
There was some photo shoot. Billie Eilish, you took your
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granddaughter Jude to a concert by the Way, Jagger my
Jagger eight years old. Her middle name is Jude. Oh,
it's a great name.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Does she like Billie Eilish. She doesn't even know who
she is.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I keep it really insulated from pop culture because it's
just yeah. You attended lunch with or the launch of
the Kim Kardashian skims and Nike collaboration. You sat down
with Vogue new editor in chief Chloe mal for an interview.
You attended the launch of a Jennifer Fisher store on
Madison Avenue. Attended a j Crewe Fashion Week event. Oh
(18:54):
dear Lord, Then wait, there was still more. You appeared
on the Today Show, The Drew Barrymore Show that was
kind of weird farm life and gardening. You say, well,
she went to a chrysanthemum seminar. She brought her island
Norfolk Island pines in for the winter. I'd love to
know what a handsome European hornbeam is. And your love
of the wild American walnut was chronicled on social not
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to mention, you bottled your own Burgundy red wine vinegar.
You visited the Hollywood Company in Indiana, the factory that
makes your sustainable patio furniture. You rescued and adopted two Freezians.
I don't know if you're tired yet, but I'm getting there.
You flew to Wyoming, Miracle Grow had an event on
their bougie ranch. You were there, You had a thirst
trap photoshoot who with hairdresser Chris Appleton, and then somehow
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you made it here to QVC in Philly for twenty
four hour TSV. Does that sound accurate?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, you left out all the talks I had to
give during that time. Yeah, for Goldman Sachs, for I
give I lecture. I'm in that circuit and they pay you, right,
I mean these are yeah, paid lecture circuit. But it's
so much fun because you get to meet so many
people and so many diverse occupations. I met with a
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whole bunch of realatures. I met with a lot of
small businesses with the Golden Sex Small Business Foundation.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
But you're not tired none of this. Do you ever
get tired?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I get it. I get tired. Yeah, and I
And when I went to that ranch in Wyoming, I
actually got serious. We all did got serious food poison
eating a guinea fowl that was slaughtered at the farm.
And uh, a guinea fowl.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's why I don't eat guinea fowl. Oh my god,
it is a guinea fowl.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Is that a bird? Yeah, it's a bird. It's like
it's like a cross between a chicken and a turkey
kind of. It's a good gauge, you know, when you
were eating it. No, no, no, but but we tried
all of us ate that bird, so we think it
was that. But but oh my gosh, I was sick
for a week, but I had to keep working. I
can never take off. Why well, I can't cancel anything.
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These are they're uncanceled, canceled because they're paying. It's in
the contract, can't cancel except for.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So why are you finding so much contracts and memberment?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Oh, dear, because I like to work. I like to work,
and I like to learn, and I like to go places,
and I like to be busy and uh and I
like to be productive and I never know what I'm
going to learn that day.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Does that come from mom and dad?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Oh? Yes, absolutely. We were encouraged to be really, really
proactively busy and learn stuff. One of my mottos is
learned something new every day.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Another one of your mottos is when you're through changing.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You're through. Actually I totally believe that, Do you really?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Oh yeah, I kind of do too.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And everybody says, oh, you're reinventing yourself. I'm not reinventing.
That's not the good word, because evolving, Yes, I evolve.
And that's because evolving is a natural evolution of a natural.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Change in your which is healthy and good and.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Your looks and your behavior in the in the way
you do things. And to reinvent means total change. You can't.
You can't. I mean, I don't mean change like that.
You're not. I'm not changing my my bodily shape or
anything except to get better hopefully quick pause.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Do you like games?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Games? I play some games.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay, this game is called would you ever?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Would you ever? Let yourself go fully gray?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I don't even have gray hair. Come on, I don't
My mother didn't have gray hair. I don't have gray hair.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
What colors your hair?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Sort of like dirty brown blonde?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You don't have any grace, not according to my hairdresser.
Do you have any facial hair that you at this
age have to like, you know, the chin hairs, the
stuff that comes out when you least expect it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Oh, I have my face wax like once every three months.
Oh you do? Don't you do that? No?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
This lady on QVC sells that dermaflash thing, so I've
used it, and I kind of like that. I don't
you like the face waxing?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You think that's.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Julia and Julian Pharrill is the best face wax or
best wax or you know. She started doing my eyebrows
and then I have a little beauty moble here and
there's a hair in it, so that she takes that
out and then, of course you get a little bit
of mustache. Mustache. Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Would you ever pose tastefully nude?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
No? Never, No, I don't look good enough.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I would doubt that.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Oh no, I do not look good enough.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Would you ever do a Martha reality show? I'm telling
you that would be amazing?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No? Seriously, well you know that the show we just
did with with Jose Andrace, Yes, Chef was a little
bit reality. It was too script Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Script, you're better unscripted, Yes, much better.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Would you ever date a fully younger man?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I did? Who I did? Oh, this is a while ago.
I had no idea how old he was. I met
him at a at a weekend party down in Joel
Silver's house. You know Joel silver Is. He's a very
famous movie director. He did Lethal Weapons and he did
he did all those big, big matrix movies, all that stuff.
And Joel has a has a farm down in South Carolina.
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And so at that weekend we had the Skuy Bobby
he came. I didn't know him, and we had Kirk
Douglas and Catherine Zada Jones. They weren't married yet. It
is a long Michael Michael Douglas Michael, What did I say,
Michael Douglas. Then we had Ralph Lauren and his wife,
and that's getting old. Huh who Ralph?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Ralph? Ralph is old? How old is he?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He's like ninety something?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, no, no, no, no, he's in his eighties. And
he does right next door to me. He's my next door. Yeah.
And uh and Ricky Ralph and Ricky they're lovely and okay.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So you would did a younger man and you so
so No.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I met this guy and he was charming and fun
and uh, and he asked me this was Thanksgiving. It
was a Thanksgiving weekend where we where I learned all
about deep fried turkey. I had no idea about deep
fried Churchy, and that's why you said that deep fried.
I went to I went to the guest where they
deep fried the turkey. You'd never heard of you, Martha Stewart. No,
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I had heard of it, but I had never had it.
And it was so good the way they made it
at the at the gas station. So so I learned.
I then I made a product for Kmart, which was
my deep fried turkey tttle, the big twenty gallon tittle
and the ring the propane ring.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
What happened to the young guy you were dating?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
No, so he asked, He said, what are you doing
for Christmas? I said, Oh, We're going to Egypt with
have nine children going with me to Egypt. He said,
could I tag along? And I said sure. So we
started started up together. And well he was younger than
my daughter, and my daughter called him uncle Bobby, and
I had no idea he was so young, but he
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was fun. He was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Lastly, do you have any tattoos?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
No, not a one.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Would you get one?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No? Really, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Okay, fine, do you Yes, I do, but I don't
recommend it. I mean I do. I like. I like
the concept, but in list I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't know. It's not beautifying.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The first one I got made me feel like a badass.
I grew up in a very strict home. So when
I got this, when I was in my twenties on
your breadl Street, I know I was gonna get it.
Wait now, the first one I got was back here.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But our budget's pointing to But yeah, I call it
my hip.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But you're right, it's on my ass. And the thing
is is I regret both of them, because they don't
they didn't wear well over time. And now you realize,
like unless you're gonna lazer them off like they're there.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But like now, my friend Douglas Friedman, who's covered with tattoos,
was he just sounds he's a photographer, he's a famous photographer.
He did that beautiful picture of me in the bathtub
with my four Frisian horses around me. Did you see that? No?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Was that reason?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh? Yeah, for horses are like something out of a movie.
But but I'm sitting in the bathtub and the four
Fresians are all four just hanging out around me.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And wait where is this photo? Is it on your Insta?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh? Yeah, it's on there and on Douglas's too, But
it was for Cooler the Test Iron Naimal Cast. Yeah. Anyway,
Douglas just he has I mean, he's completely covered and
he just he's just trying to cover his left forearm
because he didn't like I think it's probably a boyfriend's
name or something, right, So he had it all, you know,
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completely black. Oh it looks so awful.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh gosh, did you tell him that you did?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Oh? Of course?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Are you ever afraid you're gonna hurt people's feelings.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh, I don't. I'm not. You know, he's a friend.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I can tell him anything, can Is there anything that
hurts your feelings? Nope, you're not sensitive.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, you're not sense I can't be sensitive. I've lived
through it all. You can't be sensitive.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's so funny you just said that, because as I
glanced down, this is one quote that I read of
you that I just freaking love. Someone asked you about
I guess your relevancy at eighty four in pop culture
in twenty twenty five, and you're like, because I'm cool
and not only can I cook, I hang out with
Snoop Dogg. And I've gone to jail and I've been
through the ringer and I've come out alive. Right, did
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you grow tougher? Have you always been tough?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
No? I think I've always been tough. What made you?
Although I wish being one of six kids fighting for
my life all the time in a house of brothers
punching me and stuff, I mean it was. It wasn't
a rough and tumble household. I shouldn't say that that way.
But we were scrappy and we really and we really
had to make our own way. Our parents made it
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very clear that you had to work for what you
were going to get, and we were all smart enough
to get what we worked for if we were smart
enough to do it. So that was always part of
the conversation, which is a good way to grow up.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
When you were on my yes, it is. When you
were on my show. You love history, the archives, the
saving things, so that seems sentimental to me. You told
me that you have all of your genes from high school.
I heard that you have all of your report cards.
You apparently have a Georgio ARMANI love all his clothes,
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and so you have an entire archive of all of
your outfits since you started getting famous. I do, so
you save everything.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, I'm not a hoarder. No, no, obviously, I am
an archivist and it's helping me so much. Writing and autobiography. Ye,
memoir is so so difficult, and I don't remember if
it happened in nineteen eighty or nineteen ninety or And
so I have this great guy, Kevin O'Leary, who's a
famous he's a famous writer himself, but he's he's been
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become my chronologist, and so he's going through everything. He
hasn't done the pictures yet. I can't wait for him
to get into it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
But what along the way made you think I'm going
to keep all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I just that it's just a natural thing for me.
I like history. I studied history, and historians have to
have archives to go through to understand how the past
has influenced the future and the present. So it's just
a natural thing.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Are you proud of yourself?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'm happy with myself.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm so impressed by you.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's good being happy with yourself. I mean, I don't
want to be I don't want to be miserable with myself.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So you're happy, you're a happy person.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
No, I don'm not. I'm not. No, I'm I'm an
okay person.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You're okay? What would make you happier?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I have pretty much everything I need. I just I
would say so I would like to I'd like to
spend more time with my little family. For Thanksgiving, We're
going away together. I'm so happy. And I see you
guys going. We're going to Utah to a fabulous environment
out there.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
In the Alexis Truman, Jew and Jude.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, we're and we're spending four full days doing hiking
and horseback riding and rafting on a river. And you
know it's near the Grand Canyon and it's near Zion
National Park. Oh, and it's going to be fabulous.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
So wait, I hear you love being a grandma?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Oh? I love?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
What's your grandma name?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Is it? Like me?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Me?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Martha?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
They just call you Martha.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
They called me Martha since they were born.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Do you know how it's hysterical that is that your
grandchildren call you by your first name.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh and all their friends call me Martha. None of
them call me missus Stuart. I'm not a missus Stuart.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
You know, even as babies, you were like, call me Martha.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
No, no, I didn't say that. They called me Martha.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
My daughter calls me Martha Alexa.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
She's always called me Martha.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Do you like being a mom?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Was it easy?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's better being a grandma. Why just because they're easier
and they're not quite so easy?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did you have like a fraud relationship with Alexis growing up?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Oh? Not growing up so much as later in life. Really,
Oh my god? Even now even now, oh even now
we talk, I mean we're I would say we're friends,
and I'm sure she loves me, but I definitely love her,
and and we we do lots of things together.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We've tried to you the same. Are you opposites or
very different?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Very different? I'm an extrovert, she is in you aren't.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So you refuel by being around people?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I like people? Yeah, yeah, I like being with people.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Are you ever intimidated by a person? I try not
to be, but I mean naturally like. You're not around
anybody who makes you nervous?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
No? No, are you ever scared of anything? Just maybe
jumping out of an airplane?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Have you ever done that?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
No? Would you do that?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
If I had to wait pause for a game, because
I can feel someone Nascy's going to come out of
that room and say it's over. Her time's up, and
I didn't even get my full hour, So just hang on.
Here's another game. Would you be willing to play rapid Fire.
I'm going to give you names of people, and you
give me one word that comes to mind when you
hear their names. Number one, Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
One word silly, snoop dog, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
That's we'll get back to that. Julia Child, totally important,
Rachel Ray fun King, Charles somber Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Amazing, Oh my gosh, I love your face when you're
like amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Really yeah, because she's such a badass.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh, but I wrote the story about her when she
won the Time one hundred. What do you mean? I
had to write the biography of Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
When was this?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh? When she thought it was maybe ten years ago.
Time asked me to write the.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Did you know her intimately at the time.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
No, I talked to her a little bit, and I
had met Chris and and I knew, I knew all
about them. This is before she became the really right,
right right Kim Kardashian. But I knew Kanye. She was
married to Kanye at the time. So I wrote about
them as a family, and I wrote about them as
the modern day Brady Bunch, And that's what they are.
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Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You know what? You're so right? You're so right? How insightful?
Snoop Dogg?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You said that already? No, I know, but I mean,
I said, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
No I know, but like, how did you It's so unlikely.
I saw a photo of him sneaking.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Up at you on you Yes, yeah, well that was
Just last week, I was in California doing a commercial
for a new business we're involved in. Of course, it
is still Gin. It's called still Gin, and it's such
a cute thing and the gin is really good and
which we're thinking that it might actually become a new
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favorite drink, you know, maybe even better than favorite vodka
or tequila.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh, Harry Slackin, who shares a birthday weeke with you?
So I know your friends. The King of home Fragrance
lives for gin and he takes credit for you drinking
your first gin martini with him. And is that your
favorite cocktail?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
And it is now because I am the I am
the folks, I am the mixologist for still Gin.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Wait, so back to Snoop Dogg. By the way, this
is what I heard you said once, among many things,
Snoop needs a light. Apparently he developed some phone case
with a lighter. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, okay, fine, And it's your quote is Snoop needs
a lighter a lot more during the day than I
need it. I need it more at night when I'm
lining candles, are cooking at the stove. What's the deal
with this unlikely friendship?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Uh? He was on my show. I like, I like rap,
and he was on my show You like Rap? Yeah,
And and he he came on, Usher came on, Puff
Daddy came on, You Like Rap. I wanted. The one
person that never came on my show was eminem I love,
Oh my God. And he sends me things. He sends
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me Mother's tomato sauce. And he sent me a jacket
that says Mother's on it and he signed it so
with this Snoop thing and Snoop just we hit it
off because he's he's like, he's like fun. And I
thought he was an old man when I first met him.
I thought he was like in his sixties.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And he you guys, he was forty.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
He's forty. No, now he's fifty two. I've known him
for more than twelve years.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You ever smoked weed with him?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I don't smoke.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You don't know. Have you ever smoked a cigarette?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I had to for Terry Chin commercials when you were
modeling is. I told her how to smoke a cigarette.
It was so painful, but it's it's a very cute commercial.
I looked great, and I love a cigarette, So you do.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
My mom smoke with me in the womb.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
My mom smoked one or two cigarettes every night, sitting
at the kitchen table and inside, Oh that's a hard
person kitchen Well, no, no, that's the only she only
had one or two.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Like smoking indoors back.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Then, just one or two camels. And I would sit
there Mom, and I'd hold her hand and she'd be
she elegantly puffing on her cigarette. I mean, after six kids,
after cooking all those meals at eighteen meals a day,
I mean, come on, she could have a cigarette a day.
It was just charming and she and she looked good
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at doing it. But no, I don't smoke, and Snoop
does that. He just blows smoke in my face and
you don't mind it. No, I like the smell of
I like to smoke.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You like the smell of the week, do yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I like secondhand smoke.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh another quick pause for a game that we call
what's in your medicine cabinet? What toothpaste do you use?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I will? You know? You just go to the go
to the drug store now and try to find a toothpaste.
There's a million toothpastes, right, And so we had a
we had some guy come on our on our We
had a big business meeting once and he came on
to talk about toothpaste and how many different brands there
were and how you could you possibly So what do
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you use? I use Crest and there's a new one
that came out for christ Crest. I think it's called
Extra White or something I find, So I use that.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Use the Sonic toothbrush.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I have that on each sink. But I'm generally and
such a big rush that I pick up, you know,
one of my natural pristal brushes and brush. But I
brush my teeth a lot during the day. I brushed
them like four or five times a day.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
What's your favorite perfume?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And I have all my own teeth.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They look great.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yes, what Fraca has always been my profits?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Didn't Marilyn Monroe wear that?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know's the one that smells like yess and
tuber rows. Yes, and that's been my favorite since I
was nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Five minutes Okay, we got the five minute call. What
I'm going to speed talk?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What doo don't you use? I?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Oh? I use Clarence. It's very hard to find, Yeah,
and it really works. Oh, it's the best. Okay, No, smell. No, no,
it's not slimy. You know it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You relaunched Entertaining, Yes, and so I read through it
all last night, and I would like to read you
a couple of things that just give me utter delight.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, it's really nice about this woman. She's prepared.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Heck yeah, remember when I did your Halloween show. Oh,
I know everything about your love of Halloween. How you
give kids who trick or try at your house actual cash?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Oh? Yeah, they got cash. This that's a good neighbor.
I made twenty five Halloween little packages for to give out.
In the package with a Jubai chocolate bar.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You know. By the way, I just heard that you
had this store in Dubai. It's all your stores hot
in Dubai.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm going next week.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
What do they sell?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh? All my housewares? It's Martha Home.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
How come you don't have a store here?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I don't know. That's my bosses you.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Your hand is in so much I don't know how
you keep it straight. A lot to consider in your
Entertaining book, of which I love that you relaunched it
this week, because all the cool twenty somethings are obsessed
with You, Martha eighty four.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, because they watched the documentary and they realize that
here's a woman that has done a lot and is
still relevant and that's why. And they went to their
moms trying to get the book, and moms aren't giving
it up, and they know that you can buy it
on well before the new edition, you could buy it
on eBay. So now for fifty dollars you can get
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effects simile, which means exact edition.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
In this book, an egg is probably one of the
most complete, beautiful objects in itself in the whole world
of cuisine. You feel that way.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh yeah, I raised my own chickens and I get
my own eggs. I get on average, and I average
about twenty four eggs a day from my chickens.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And when it comes to this entertaining book, I hear
there's a really good story about you and ex husband
Andy with a Luau party. There's some story you tell
what happened.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Oh no, no, he came and helped and that was
a big party for catering. Yeah, I was catering, and
that's what started this book. I was a caterer. I
had had a nice career on Wall Street. I retired
from Wall Street, and I decided, well, I really like
to cook, and I would start a catering business, which
were at that time there were very few good caterers.
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And so I started in Connecticut, and then I started
being asked in cater in New York, and Pepsi Coo,
which is nearby.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Hired you hired me to jew A Luau and young
Martha her with her strawberry basket. I've got a quot
about the store basket.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh isn't that nice?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Wasn't that some baroness's strawberry basket?
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Oh? Yes, baroness. Well, her last name was Starring. Let's
start hang on uh.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
It once belonged to the baroness. He'lla onribe.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
He'll live on Rebay who lived her property to join
my property in Westport, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, I have to talk fast because now we
have three minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
And Hilla, Hilla built the most beautiful house, the Starring Mansion,
and it was and she was responsible for the Guggenheim Museum.
She had. She had affairs with Simon uh Solomon Guggenheim
and with Frank Lloyd Wright, and she got them together
to build the Guggenheim museum. See what I learned?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Why can't you be here for longer? I honestly, and
I feel like we can talk friends.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
But you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna read my autobiography.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'm gonna read that. Yeah, and I'm gonna come busy you.
You're gonna have me stay over at your house because
I feel like we are going to be friends.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Excellent? Don't you like me after all these years? Yes? Y? Wait?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Final burning? I do three final burning questions? Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
What is your last meal on this earth?
Speaker 2 (41:59):
My last probably scrambled egg?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Are you for real?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
For my chickens?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That's it, That's all you wanted, your last meal.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
They're the most delicious things on earth.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I mean, okay, do you put butter in your scrambled eggs?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Are? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Do you want to be buried or cremated?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh? I'm going to be composted.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Do you know what five people said to me ahead
of time? They knew I was asking you that, and
they were like, oh, she's totally going to be composted.
I mean, now, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
When one of my horses dies, we dig a giant
hole really deep in one of my fields. We have
a pet cemetery, and the horse is wrapped in a
Thien white linen sheet and very carefully drop down into
this giant, lovely grave. I want to go there.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Are you allowed to do that?
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Is that legal to wrap you in a white sheet
and just bury you in?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
It's not going to hurt anybody. It's my property.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I mean, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But are these coffin things and all that stuff? No way, tombstone?
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Wait? Third burning question?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Do you believe in God? I think I? Do you
think you do.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Anything else you'd like to say about that? No? We
have time for a fourth brain question, so I'll keep going.
Why don't you like psychiatrists? You would never go to therapy?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
I tried, I tried?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
What is? What's trying? Mean?
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Trying and trying and then and then it's so futile?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Why you don't like it when they think?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I think things are predetermined? I believe in predetermination.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
So you don't ever have junk in there that you
just need to get out?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I don't. I don't like wasting time rather read a book.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Okay, wait, I don't see anyone giving me the flag? Yeah, okay,
you're ready, let's play.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
This game terribly introspective.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
This game is called Hot or Not?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Okay, Well, you have so many games.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You just need to get inside it. I like drinking,
but like that's one word, and then when you guess it,
you're done. See mine, keep going? Okay, okay, ready?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Hot or Not?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Sylvestre Stalone not really? Have you seen Tulsa Kings.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
No, I wouldn't watch that.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Oh I am telling you I wouldn't either, And then
I did. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
He is okay.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Gordon Ramsay, uh oh okay. Ted Copple, I think he's
so cute.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Okay, fine, jelly Roll?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Who's jelly Roll?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
You wouldn't like him anyway?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
He's got tattoos on his way. I don't like him.
I mean i'd like him, right.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Who is your celebrity crush at current?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Oh? The guy who's in Hearty, Tom Hardy? Who is that?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
In Mobland?
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh? I love Mobland.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
He's the hero which one. Oh oh yeah, he's the facer,
the fixed Yes he is hot.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Is he really British?
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Oh I'm so with you, so do I?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yes, Mobland? Is there anything that I didn't ask you.
I probably should ask you about QBC clothes. Do you
really design your line on KBC? And your your ethos
for clothing is what?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Like?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
How do you feel about fashion?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Elegant, simple, wearable? Uh? No, throwaway? I don't like throw away.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Listen, I want you to know something. A. I'm grateful. B.
I'm grateful. And it's not just for this podcast. In
two thousand and five, you changed my life.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
She started on a career that has virgeoned and is
very nice. And you've done well, Yes you have.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Do you think I'm good at what I do?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah? And three kids?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
And well you can only take credit for one. The
other two are stepkids.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
But as they're flat, But don't say that because they'll
feel bad.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I'm just saying they didn't come from my womb or plan.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
But you're raising them.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
No, No, they're fully raised and they're older.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, are you nice to them?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Of course? I am so nice. I would like to
close by saying, would you ever rule out hiring me?
I mean, let's say I needed a job. What what
do you think of me as a potential?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Now, after the Apprentice and just after knowing me, you
probably evolved nicely right, yep.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
That's a compliment.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Martha, thank you very much. Sew, thank you very much.
Host
Martha Stewart
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