Ep. 701: MeatEater Radio Live! The Dinosaur Highway and 100 Humans v. 1 Gorilla

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Smell us.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Now, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast. Welcome to

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Meet Eater Radio live at eleven am Mountain Time. That's
neon o'clock for our friends in Quincy, Illinois on Thursday,
May eighth, and we're live for Meat Eater Edge. Qan Bozeman.
I'm your host, Spencer new Art, joined today by Ryan
Callahan and Randall Williams. On today's show, we'll interview Duncan
Murdoch about the dinosaur Highway that was just discovered in England,

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followed by a turkey report from the Meat Eater crew.
Then we've got one minute fishing with Seth Morris. After
that we'll do show and tell, and finally we'll interview
Alex Fogg about constructing the world's largest artificial reef. Now,
in case you don't think this is a live show,
we just got breaking news that there's a new pope
that's been elected. What's your insight on this, Randall White.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Smoke from that's all. I watched Steve watch Conclave on
a plane last week.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
So okay, yeah, all right, But but we're gonna settle
an internet debate that's taken the Internet by storm. Here recently.
Every now and then, some stupid thing on the Internet
achieves exit velocity and makes it out into the real
world like it is a hot dog, a sandwich, or
the hawk to a girl. It happened again this week,

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and that was can one hundred humans beat a gorilla,
a singular gorilla in a fight to the death? Yes,
I have strong feelings about this randal. What do you think?
Randall has come today with a notepad that I believe
contains notes on this on this subject, I.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Do I I don't think it's a very interesting question.
I think the the numbers, the sheer numbers, and the
fatigue factor. But I'd like to just use this moment
to bolster that opinion. With my qualifications as an all
around great ape enthusiast, Phil, will you pull up Exhibit
one please? Whenever I'm at a zoo, I like to

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go visit the great Apes. On the left is Grill
World at Cincinnati Zoo. On the right, I don't even
know which zoo I was at there. That was twenty
twenty two, wow, and I didn't go back to check
my travel calendar. But as you can see there, it
says test your grill IQ and I did rather well
that day.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
How do we know?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
You just have to trust me.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, but so many zoos and checked out so many
apes that he doesn't even know what zoo he was at.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, Phil, if you'll pull up the next slide please,
This is a bizarre image one of my favorite sort
of freak discoveries in the course of my dissertation research.
This is an ad for the Ruger forty four magnum carbing.
It's like the forty four magnum version of a ten
twenty two. And they thought the best way to demonstrate

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the utility of this is with an image of a
man and a gorilla. That is, it's amazing in somewhere
in Central Africa. I had just took a picture of
it with my phone, and I've never had a chance
to display it to the world. So here it is.
We used to live in a very weird place, Phil,
Exhibit three. Here. Oh, so this is a sequence of

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photos taken at the Cincinnati Zoo. That's not my child,
but just a random child, a good friend's child. No,
we're taking a photo with this friend here and suddenly
if only we've been filming video, because suddenly he charged
us and he slapped the glass in what might be
the most frightening sudden surprise of my life. It sounded

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like someone just shot a gun next to my head.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Okay, we're learning Randall is indeed a subject matter expert.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, I've also read Gorillas in the Mist. And then
to prep for this segment, I I didn't have time
to watch the movie Congo Oh, so I downloaded it
on Kindle and I read sixty seven percent of it. Okay,
I shared some of my thoughts with Phil, but it
is one of our culture's greatest meditations on the gorilla's

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capacity for violence. So I didn't really get anything out
of that. And then I brought this T shirt. Okay,
this is from the San Diego This is.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
All part of answering the question on if one hundred
humans could beat a gorilla in a fight.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, and I just think a gorilla. You know, it's
five and a half feet tall, four hundred pounds. It's
got a powerful sagital crest that allows its jaw muscles
to exert sort of unbelievable pressure on any sort of
thing that finds its way into its mouth. But yeah,
I don't think he can do it. I think you
just get tired.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I fully agree. I don't think it's even It wouldn't
even be close to a fair fight. One hundred is
such a big number. Yeah, one hundred humans, it's not fun.
I think the debate should be what's the number where
it actually gets competitive? My gas is like ten to fifteen.
Do you think a dozen humans?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
No, you think a gorilla would win?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think I was going to say twenty.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Figure the reach. A girl has got a wingspan of
about eight feet. I mean you look at chimps. I
mean chimps just tear people apart.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yes, I think what would be on our side is
I can't imagine they have great stamina also or and
but my problem with it would be I can't identify
a weak point on a gorilla. No where do you go.
You just got to punch them in the head over
and over.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
And they have extremely thick skulls. Their brain case is
not nearly as large as arms, so there's a lot
more bone around it. And they don't have you know,
in a fight, you're always talking about reach. Girls got
us and they don't have chins, so they can't have
a you know, like a.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Boxer find the button.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, exactly do they do they.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Have exposed testicles, like, that's probably not a weak point
either for them, if you were if you were really
trying to think, trying to make sure that gross, they're
just tiny.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, I just didn't think it was that interesting with questions,
so I just wrote down a bunch of gorilla stuff
about my history.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I also forgot to mention when I was I would
have been nine years old, my parents adopted a zoo baby,
you know, like adopting. It's an Eastern Lowland gorilla. Female
adopted it for you at the Cincinnati Zoo, right or
was it for them? For me, it was a birthday
or Christmas gift. That's how much I love gorillas. I
also spent a good deal with my younger years of
walking around on my knuckles, and I can still here

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today pretty effectively.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Cal an the clip. Any thoughts on one hundred humans
versus a grilla in a fight to the death.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I thought the movie Congo was great, probably underrated
by cinophiles amy.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
All that stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
But by the time I saw a lot of those movies,
they had already seemed kind of like outdated to me,
and not not in a great way, but yeah, they're
entertaining for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
The biggest shock to me from a revisiting the book
is that it's set in nineteen seventy iron, So it's
just you read it as a period piece, then you
remember that he wrote it in nineteen eighty, and you
thank god it's it's it's actually very cutting edge.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So I think where anybody doing battle with the Gorilla
would really fall short is there's not a lot of
like trained fighting sports where you're counting on somebody biting you, right,
I mean that's a that's a big, big part of the.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Grilla development as a discipline.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, Now, as as this debate got heated up online,
there was a tweet that went viral by someone. Phil
is going to pull it up here. They built out
their roster of one hundred people of who they would
want to fight the Gorilla. Here's some folks that were
on that list. This tweet got sixteen million views. Fifty
in his prime Turtleman, I love Turtleman, the Undertaker, the wrestler,

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of course, Nicola Jokic's brothers, Jason Momoa, a random high
school defensive coordinator, slash history teacher and at number eleven
in this tweet was Steve Ranella. Steve Varnella made the roster.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
One ahead of Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't think he has the frame for it.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
No, No, would you guys want Steve on your your team?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
This is just an ode to Steve. It's not or ability.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Only if Steve was charged with wearing it down in
some sort of chase through hilly country.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, like if there was a debate at the beginning
that Steve could engage the gorilla on Yeah. Yeah, possibly
using the communication device and hands signals from the movie Congo.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's not in the book. In the book, they're just
doing old fashioned American sign language. That's an element.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
When I lived back in South Dakota, I played town
team baseball, which is like from eighteen years old up
until whenever you retire, some guys playing into their forties.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
There was a fan who would come to every game
and if he'd see you around town, he'd maybe throw
you a compliment. He'd say, oh, Spencer looking strong today.
And I always like that that. That's a very nice
compliment to give to another man. I gave that to
Steve one day. I said, Steve looking strong today, and
he didn't care for it. He said, what do you
want to arm wrestle me or what? So, you know

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maybe what Freud.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Would say about that, If.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
The gorilla can get Steve worked up, maybe maybe Steve
would be acceptable on this roster as number eleven in
the gorilla fighting cage manage. All right, we've determined that
one hundred humans would easily dominate that gorilla, and we
think the numbers closer to like twenty.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, sorry, I know you're head for a segue here, Spencer,
I'm gonna throw it off completely. Do you think how
many humans would we lose in the process?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh? I thought about this to a dozen? No, I
think thirty thirty.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
You think he'd rip through thirty.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think you lose thirty percent of that roster at
game time, like they just go no, No, I.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Think the initial ten minutes. I just don't. I can't
imagine what.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I think. It depends if the fighting happens like a
Jackie Chan movie where the warriors come at them and
they like wait their turn. Yeah, we'll lose thirty for sure,
but we could probably suffocate this thing with like fifteen people.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
The strength is just I don't think he can't.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
He can't punch fifteen people at once.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think he could. I think he.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Could just physically tear them apart.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think he could hook us.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh yeah, I'm just saying I don't care who you are.
Like you get in the in the cage with a gorilla.
There's a large part of that roster that's gonna be, like,
you know what, not worth it.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
And Google says that their testicles and penis are quite
hidden and small as far as primates go, so we
can't count on that, yeah advantage.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, it's it's part of one of the issues with
their genetic depth. Small wieners.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right. Moving on, Joining us on the line first is
Duncan Murdoch, a paleontologist from the University of Oxford Museum
of Natural History. He's here to talk about the Dinosaur
Highway that was just discovered in England. Donkey, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Hello, Mornie, how are you.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
We're good? First thing, doc in tell us how these
two hundred tracks that came to be known as the
Dinosaur Highway were discovered.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah, absolutely, So there's a quarry in the center of
England near the city of Oxford where I am, where
they're removing limestone to crush it up to useless gravel.
And when they were removing that, they were slowly scraping
off a layer of clay and the bucket on the

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dig felt a series of little bumps, so they thought, oh,
that's strange, so they called us in from the museum
to have a look at them, and we verified that
they were in fact dinosaur footprints, and then we mounted
an excavation to uncover the whole site and yeah, we
found over two hundred individual prints from probably five different

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individual animals.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
That's wonderful now to describe how big the tracks are
and how long this highway is.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
So most of them are are one kind of dinosaur,
and they form these oval shapes that are about three
feet long by about two feet wide and about nine
inches deep something like that. But we see literally hundreds
of these prints and they go The longest trackway is

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at least one hundred and fifty meters long, so it's
a huge area that's crisscrossed with all these individual tracks.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And how old are the tracks and what kind of
dinosaur has made them.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
So this surface is from the middle part of the
Jurassic Period, which is about one hundred and sixty six
million years ago. At the time, it would have been
a kind of lagoon near the edge of a continent.
We see two different shape footprints, so most of them,
like the one you're seeing on the screen, are quite rare,

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but most of them are these kind of oval shapes
that would have been from a large bodied, four legged,
long neck dinosaur, think something like a diplodocus or a brontosaurus. Yeah,
just like that one there on the screen. And then
we rarely see these three toad prints. If you've ever
seen footprints of a wading bird on a beach, you

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see these three toad prints. We see exactly that, and
they were from a very different kind of animal, the
two legged, carnivorous meat eating theropod dinosaur called Megalosaurus.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
And does this area in England heavy history of dinosaur discovery.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Absolutely. In fact, the first dinosaur ever named Megalosaurus. The
fossils came from a little village called stones Field, just
a few miles from where we find these footprints, in
eighteen twenty four.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
It was first name.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
So just over two hundred years ago, so dinosaur science
it's elf actually started here in Oxfordshire and it was
really exciting that two hundred years later were still finding
evidence about these animals in the form of their footprints
in this quarry and.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
How long was the excavation process and what did that
look like?

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Okay, So we first discovered these prints a couple of
years ago and we uncovered a small number of them,
realized it was a much bigger undertaking, so we put
together a team between the University of Oxford and the
University of Birmingham. Was myself, my colleague doctor m and Nichols,
my colleagues Professor Kirsty Edgar, Professor Richard Butler in Birmingham,

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and we then put together a team of about one
hundred people over the course of a week where we
went out every day. Most of the time we were
painstakingly removing a layer of clay that fills and covers
these prints to uncover the hard limestone underneath, so carefully
removing it with trowels and then sponging out the clay,

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eventually uncovering the whole site. Then there's a process of
documentation where we took literally tens of thousands of photographs
to try and capture every single print, as well as
flying drones to capture the entire site and image the
whole thing before it's then reburied.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Now, you said that this area was a lagoon one
hundred and sixty six million years ago. Talk more about
what England as a whole looked like at that period.
How that's different from today.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
Yeah, that's a really good question. So around say one
hundred and sixt six million years ago, in the middle
of the Jurassic, the continents as we know them today
were starting to form. So there used to be this
huge continent called Pangaea where pretty much all the continental
land masses were together through the early part of the Jurassic,

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and these continents were breaking apart, so things like the
Atlantic Ocean were forming. This created lots of volcanism, lots
of volcano erupting in the rifting, and it created these
shallow inland seaways that were forming as this continent was
breaking apart. So England at the time in the middle

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Jurassic was underneath one of these shallow seaways. So if
you imagine something like the Florida Keys today or the
Bahamas Bank where you have these shallow seas with these
beautiful clear waters with white sand being deposited, and nearby
you have rivers washing materially into kind of in mangrove swamps,

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producing these lagoons behind where you get these sheltered environments.
And it's in one of these lagoon environments that these
dinosaurs were walking along, walking along what would have been
a coastline one hundred and sixty six million years ago.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Okay, so there were multiple dinosaurs who created this dinosaur highway.
Do you think those dinosaurs interacted or was you know,
these separated by potentially days years.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Yeah, So the conditions needed to form these prints are
very rare. So you need the mud to be just right.
If you have mud that's too wet, then when you
pull your foot out, it's just going to fill back
in that hole. If the MUD's too dry, then even
a tent on animal like Ctosaurus can't make a lasting impression.
So we think these surfaces were only just right for

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probably a matter of weeks, maybe months, certainly within one season.
So what we do find is lots of most of
the prints are from the same kind of dinosaur, but
we find lots of different sizes so there's potential evidence
that these animals were moving in herds, showing a kind
of herding behavior with different individuals of different ages moving around.

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Then the therapod princes meat eating Megalosaurus, they cross where
we see these larger herbivorous animals walking along. Although we
don't see any direct interaction between them, it's pretty safe
to assume that if you're a big meat eating dinosaur,
you're going to look for big plant eating dinosaurs to

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prey upon. So there's a potential that we have interactions
between predator and prey, but we can't be sure because
all we're seeing these individual prints. But what we can
say is each one of those footprints is a single
moment in the life of an extinct animal. So we
get this amazing unique window into that very moment when

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that animal put that foot in that exact location, and
you can go and put your foot in exactly the
same place. It's absolutely thrilling to do.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
So from their brief window, what sorts of things can
paleontalogists learn.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
So we're able to do things like reconstruct the environment
that these animals are living in. So as well as
the dinosaur footprints, we find smaller fossils, we find seashells,
we find bits of wood. We can also do things
that work out how fast these animals might have been moving.
So most of them seem to be moving at a

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kind of average human walking pace, and so none of
them are going very fast. And we can estimate body
sizes from the spacing of the prince within the biggest
individuals for probably about sixteen meters long for the herbivores
and about eight or nine meters for the carnivores. And

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we can also observe these interactions between species, so we
know that these two different species of dinosaur were in
the same place at roughly the same time, so we
can start to build a more complex picture of the
whole environment that they lived in.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Duncan.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
This is an active quarry, that's right. What's the fate
of these tracks?

Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, so it's still an active quarry. They're still extracting limestone.
It's worth saying that if they hadn't been a quarrying
this stone, we would have never found the Prince. Is
absolutely because of this quarrying activity that we're able to
do this work and they don't extract the stone that
the prints are in it's no good. It's too it's

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too soft and material, and so they aren't being damaged
or destroyed in any way by the action of the
of the quarry.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Have you ever heard of the meat Eater Land Access
Initiative where we provide access to more outdoor activity on
on land here in the States. Primarily what are the
chances that we don't need one of the fancy three
toad ones, but one of the oval tracks getting shipped

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over here so we can action it off for public access.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
So there's a there's a few problems. One is if
you try and actually cut out the prince, they basically
fall apart. You can only really see them in the field.
So right now they're not accessible and they're getting recovered
with to actually protect them, that's the best thing to do.
But we're working very closely with the quarry and Natural England,

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who are the body that oversee these kinds of things
here in the UK, for plans for potential future access.
What you can do though, is you can virtually visit
this site. So we've created a three D model of
the whole area and not every single individual print. We're
currently working up publishing that and we're going to make

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that publicly available to anyone in the world to download,
so you can virtually visit. So hopefully that will satisfy.
The other thing you can do is come to Oxford,
come to the Museum of Natural History, and we have
casts replicas of the prints on display at the moment,
So if any of your listeners are in the UK,

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please do come to Oxford. You can get up close
and personal with a replica of the print.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Very exciting stuff. Thank you for joining us, dug In
and congrats on that discovery.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
No Parblan, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I like to tell there was a clear convergence of
trails there. Oh yeah, like the ancient U version of
a white tail hunter had just post up right there.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's right, Yeah, that's uh. You'd call that a pinch point.
Right here along this lagoon, we've got the shallow water ends.
Obviously dinosaurs like crossing this spot.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Wait, I was.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Sweet, all right?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Next up is the Turkey Report. Is there a sound
for this?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
I don't have a sound for the I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I thought I heard a sound. Last week I played.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I played this.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Here we go, Bud, he's looking for the Turkey Report.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Today. We've got updates from Seth Morris, Max Barta, and
Tony Peterson.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
Take it away, Phil, all right, Seth Morris here, coming
at you from Region one in Montana with your weekly
turkey report.

Speaker 9 (23:01):
It's been a tough weekend of hunting. The birds are
the most hend up that I've seen so far this season.
It's even tough to get a bird to break around
that you know, ten to two time period, which is
usually some good killing hours. But I've been seeing gobblers
with hens all day long. They're just not leaving them,

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and so that's made the hunting real tough, but.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Kind of gotta do. You can get a bird on
the ground.

Speaker 9 (23:36):
I killed this one because I finally was able to
call the hens in and he came in with the hens,
but I couldn't get him to break from the hens.
So any way I could do it was getting the
hens to come in. And my wife, Kelsey, who's with
us too, she killed a bird yesterday morning.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
So goodness.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
That's your report. Good luck out there.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Hey guys.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Max Barter here, Central Tennessee Hunt Report. Things are weird
right now and it's the first week in May.

Speaker 10 (24:08):
I feel like the birds have gone past their primetime
breeding cycle, and they're kind of on the downslope of things.
Birds are gobbling on the roost a couple of times,
but not much. And then yeah, I feel like once
they hit the ground and they're just not too keen
on coming into hank calls. So yeah, things are tough,

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but I feel like if you stick it out and
work some ground, you'll find a bird that wants to gobble.
You only need one gobble and like you're in the game.
So that's what I did here. This bird came about
ten thirty, and yeah, it was. It was a great hunt.

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And yeah, it's been raining the last couple of days too,
so I don't know if that's got the gobbling all
mixed up or anything like that. So yeah, beautiful day.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
Happy camper, happy hunter, springs a beautiful thing.

Speaker 11 (25:08):
Hey everyone, Tony Peterson here with a little turkey report.
I just got back from Kansas. Had an amazing hunt
down there in public Land, killed a bird, and I
just spent today, you know, drying out some beards, drying
out some tail. Fans from my daughters have killed a
few birds. I've killed a few in different states. The
hunting has been really good, but it has been kind

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of a weird year, and I'm starting to see a
little transition right now where a lot of these birds
are switching to eating a lot of bugs, and the
hens are starting to nest. My whole drive home from Kansas,
all the way back here to Minnesota, there were lone
hens all over the place in the afternoon. And when
I see that, I don't know if you can hear
this or not, but there's a whole bunch of frogs

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calling in my backyard pond. This is the time where
if you've been dealing with hend up birds, which a
lot of us have, should get really callable now.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Not right off the roost yet.

Speaker 11 (26:01):
They might fly down strut for those hens for a while.
But those hens are gonna eat some bugs, They're gonna
scratch for some grain whatever, eat some fresh greenery. They're
gonna lay down, and these times are gonna start cruising.
And we always think that we're gonna hit that, you know,
a little bit earlier this far north. You know, down south,
it's a different story. But right now is the time
where if you have, if you have the ability to

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hunt all day and work some setups through and fire
up that gobbler. Sometime in the midday or in the
in towards the evening. This is the time when it
matters a lot and it can get really good. So
I think it's I think they're gonna be super callable
from here for the next I don't know, ten days
or so, probably two weeks maybe, So it's a good
time to be out there.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Wow, three big time turkey killers there in Tony, Max
and Seth. We got a global show today. We got
dinosaur tracks from the UK, turkey reports from Middle Tennessee,
got everything.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I was dying to ask our dino guy if he
was a feather guy, to like, are they just big turkeys?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Mmm? I was I was dying to actually ask him
if the long neck dinosaurs he was referring to our
Sora pods, just to test my knowledge. But I didn't
want to sound like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So you've always both had a chance to ask him
those questions.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
I didn't think you have.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
So many questions the University of Oxford. I was shaking
in my chance.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
What's your favorite dinosaur? Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know what, that would have been good place they.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Could run fast. Sad you think a hundred velociraptors could
kill a gorilla.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, he use all of Timmy's bad dinosaur jokes from
another Michael Crichton joint, Jurassic Park.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Do you think I wasn't on last week's episode, but
I heard Phil give himself an invite to Randall's turkey hunt.
Are you aware of this? Randall?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Vaguely, I've tried to invite Phil to turkey hunts that
other people have invited me on.

Speaker 12 (27:57):
Huh uh.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
There isn't really a Randall turn turkey hunt.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, that's the thing. I wasn't inviting myself to any
sort of pre planned hunt. I said, you know, I
think it'd be fun if Randall wanted to go turkey hunting. Yeah,
that I joined it. I didn't invite myself. That was
a rude phrasing and I don't stand for it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Phil, you should invite yourself exactly what.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I just tried to invite myself on the Max's turkey
hunting calendar for next week. So okay, if if Max
fits me in, Phil, uh clear your calendar?

Speaker 4 (28:25):
All right? You would? So you'll invite me to maxis yes,
and we won't. We just won't tell Max.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
No, No, I'll tell Max. But he's pretty easy going.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Okay, that'd be wonderful. That sounds like a blast.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I just like the vibe of Max's video. It sort
of started out. I wasn't sure where it was going.
But these turkey guys love the reveal where they can
just twist their body a little corn change, the alter
the angle of the camera.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Tough.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Not a lot of guys could do it, did the
same things we go outside.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
But this guy made a mistake.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Guy, the guy of Max's eye can pull that off
with a turkey, but not like a bull moose. I'd
like to just see how large of an animal I
can hide with my torso in a video.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Now, yeah, Phil did not invite himself, but that's me
telling Phil he should invite himself that way into a
turkey hunt. Rail all right, we're halfway through the show.
Let's get a break for some listener feedback.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Sure, let's let's start out with the big one. Jody says,
can cal expand on the late Night Amendment to sell
public lands in the House budget package, and.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
In parentheses it says in under two minutes, I.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Think, okay, yeah, okay, very very quickly. Reconciliation is super
scary because there is a process a public process that
allows for the sale of small parcels of public land
to address all the needs that these people are saying

(29:49):
they're trying to address, such as public housing, infrastructure, restraints
on rural communities, et cetera. In reconciliation, they're trying to
push this through under the normal process. Sorry to back
up one second, under the normal process, which would be

(30:09):
like flippa and flip moa, lots of acronyms in the
government game, we can deal with giving up some parcels
of public land because that cash then goes towards the
purchase of lands of greater value for the American people.

(30:30):
So it's kind of built on a win win system.
The municipality that's constrained gets a little more space for
water projects or housing in this case, and we the
American people, get a quote unquote better chunk of ground.
It's a square fair deal. This reconciliation BS, if I'm

(30:52):
being frank, is not going to ding our national debt
at all. There's absolutely no guidelines say this is how
it's going to address the sale of land, the staking
of our federally managed public lands with a big for
sale sign. There's no guidelines that say this is how

(31:12):
it's going to alleviate housing or provide any value for
the American people. Add some context, explain sale will go
into the treasury. The dollars from that sale will go
into the treasury. There's no public process.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Go ahead, Spencer, explain what happened last night at midnight
as to why this is being brought up.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Basically, there's a very short timeline to get this budget through.
Memorial Day weekend is like the goal, the stated goal
from the outset. So folks are starting to scramble, and
when you're scrambling, there's opportunities to slide in things to say, oh, yeah,
we'll totally give you what you want, but here's this

(31:56):
thing that you got to sign off on. And so
at eleven last night, Arizona and Utah slid in this
provision for the sale of public lands. Right now, there's
no context as to how many acres that is, but
we're hearing numbers as high as six hundred and fifty

(32:18):
thousand acres, which is something that you can't do under
the Flipma process. And we don't know how these lands
have been selected what they're trying to address. All we
know is this is a major opportunity for folks that
want to get this done. And by and large, the
vast majority of the American public do not agree with this.

(32:43):
So this is a very small group of interests being
prioritized over we the American people, and nobody should stand
for this. You need to get on the horns with
your senators and representatives in the House. And I've been
doing this all morning and a last night. It's not
that hard, but you need to send your emails, your

(33:04):
phone calls and talk to staffers and say, hey, I
do not like where this is headed.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
And for more on this, we've got coverage on the
medeater dot com. We just published an article Republicans vote
to sell public land in midnight Amendment. You'll get a
fuller story there.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
And it's like, we're selling things that can make us
money and when you're trying to dig yourself out of debt,
that's not what you do.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Bill. What else you got?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
McKenna says, let's go Oklahoma City. What do you think
about that? Spencer?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I was just an ass whooping of epic proportions last night.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
That Mitchell follows up with what the Nuggets need to
do to make the fix from last night.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Ruffalos.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'll be real quick. Michael Porter Junior is not good enough.
He's way too hurt. Jamal Murray has not been a
second fiddle lately. He's good enough to be a third fiddle,
he's not been good enough to be a second fiddle.
And we have two shallow of a bench. So a
lot of issues that can't be fixed with basketball. You
just see Nicola Jokic to go god mode.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
That's in big Westbrook energy. That's right.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Russell Westbrook has been phenomenal. Good on ross.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Fun to see us anything else from Dan Pooper real
name A question for the lads. Do you guys have
a vintage piece of gear do you prefer or think
is superior to modern current? It's dB Pooper. Oh, that's good.
That is good.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
When I was at the when I was at the
Blazers game, I don't remember the guy's initials. One of
the one of the rotation guys for the for the Blazers,
his initials are dB. And when it's score, they go
dB Hooper and they had like a sketch, you know
if dB Cooper, but it was the player's face in there.
I thought it was very clever.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Oh yeah, because he landed not not too far.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
From back to mister pooper here, Cal, any vintage piece
of gear that you really really.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like, knives, hatchets, axes, all those things can be multiple
lifetime pieces of year. I think everybody's got something that
they're attached to in that lineup. Also, can't beat just
cannot be a good pair of wool pants for out
outdoor activities.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, knife is a good one. Dutch oven too, Oh yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Cast iron.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Got an old Dutch oven that I really love, and
that's the Dutch oven all on for the rest of
my life, I think, randall anything to add.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I think the closest thing I have to a vintage
piece of gear that easily comes to mind is just
an old ass grum and canoe. It's just a timeless piece. Yeah,
craigslist score. Yeah, it will serve you well.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Phil.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Let's do one more and then we're gonna move on.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Sure, because we got Cal in the room. Not that
you two are, you know? Flying Taco Mouse says he's
making or they're making green ear stuffed bred today. Any
suggestions for what dish to pair it with? Guessing wild game,
we're talking here whoa man sink? Yeah, that's stinky cheese.

(36:05):
Any any sort of any any sort of a pairing.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
You'd yeah, media, I mean just medium rare cut against
the grain meat that sounds delicious.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Maybe a little fresh.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Onion on there, like that too.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
There you go make it extra stinky.

Speaker 10 (36:22):
All right.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Our next segment is one minute Fishing.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
Do I feel lucky?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
We'll do you dunk, go ahead, make my cast. One
minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's
fishing and they have one minute to catch fish, and
if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars donation
to a conservation group. This week, our wrangler is Seth Morris,
who's at the meat Eater HQ pond and he's fishing

(36:49):
for a donation to Wiley is Unlimited.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Good to see us, Seth, Hey, guys, how are we doing.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're doing good? Seth. Give us a little scouting report
on the meat eater pond today.

Speaker 9 (37:01):
All right, So I came out earlier. I made a
couple casts. I had one swipe at it, which was
ideal because I didn't actually want to catch one, and
that told me all I need to know. So there's
some water flowing into this pond and seems like they're
stacked up over there in the current.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
What's the water couler do you like today?

Speaker 9 (37:20):
It's pretty good. I'd say three feet four feet. And
I will say, though, we just talked to a youngster
that was fishing in the same spot when we came
out here, and he said he had not caught anything.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Oh no, But did you give me the old brush
off where you're like, oh yeah, there's nothing in there.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Beat it.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Maybe you thought you were a jump.

Speaker 9 (37:42):
When you get a few more years of experience under
your belt like I have, maybe you'll catch them.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
What what are we using today, Seth? I see you
got the spinning rod in your hands.

Speaker 9 (37:50):
Oh yeah, spinning rod as always number four panther Martin.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm gonna go to every child needs one of those.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's right. We have not had a successful angler on
the meat eater pond yet, and this is our first
one minute fishing of the year since the ice has melted,
so maybe this is our chance. Seth.

Speaker 9 (38:11):
Yeah, I would say this is the best time to
fish this pond. Oh ye, all right, experience, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
A little hot tip off.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
How's the garbage situation? Down there, good flow.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
Well, I noticed over here is a pile of plastic
bottles yep, okay, which isn't great.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, we're gonna do clean up on that on Monday.
As an office uh huh.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
And we've got I think we've got as many employees
here as there are pieces of trash out there, So
maybe leave some garbage while you're out there, Seth, trip
over or dump over the dumpster so we have something
to clean up next week.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Oh, there is a garbage can of tipped over over here.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
So okay, perfect, kick that thing into the water for us.
All right, Seth, your one minute of fishing starts as
soon as you make your first cast.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Go ahead, all right, there we go.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Mm hmm. Seth's made his first cast right towards the
current that he thinks the fish are hanging in.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Got new music, Phil, Oh No, it just starts off
really silent and then gets way too loud.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Beautiful day here in Bozeman. We've got green grass, no wind.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Had a glassy water.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Uh huh. All right, Seth is on the cast number two,
and he's got twenty seconds into his one minute.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Somehow he managed to avoid casting it into that tree
where I cast.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It, Seth thirty seconds ago. Come on, Seth, he's making
his third cast. He might be able to get one
more cast in here.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Do it for the memory of Chester.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
All right, ches's still very much alive, just a few
states away, basically dead. All right, you have ten seconds
to go, Seth. Always taken a few steps with that cast.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, that's a tournament angler cast right there.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Oh, your time is up, Seth Morris, tell us, tell
us what what happened there? Seth?

Speaker 9 (40:04):
Well, you know, the cast were in the right spot,
the technique was there, just I don't think the fish
were there.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
The fish were yeah, yeah, okay, all right.

Speaker 9 (40:17):
We might need to rethink.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Spot or we need to we need to stock that pond.
Maybe that's what we gotta do.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
This segment continues to just produce.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
I think next time we need to go with a
bobber and a night crawler.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah or yeah, do one of each? Have that? Have
a bobber and a night crawler out there and throw
your panther Martin.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Well, I don't know if he's in a two rob zone.
Check check the eggs.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
We'll see what the REGs say about the mediatory h
Q pond all right, Seth, thanks for joining us. Good
luck with your day of fishing out there at the pond.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Seeing a little bit says we'll see you.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
All right. Our next segment is show and tell.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
Mm hmm, Manie a show down, Manie a show had
step boom, Manie a show.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
No, Spencer brought a rock?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
What else did you inspect?

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Is that?

Speaker 12 (41:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Is that Steve Winwood? It is indeed Steve Winwood.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
I love a song.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Uh back in the high life again. If I owned
a yacht, I'd play yacht rock all day and Steve
Winwood he.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Would yacht rock all day in my Hyundai Santa Fe. Spencer,
do you have serious ExM No, I just spotify plist. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
I love when I did have serious though I would.
Yacht rock was one of my five presets on there.
I loved yacht rock and Steve Winwood he would have
some prime real estate in that yacht rock playlist for certain.
All right, Randal, let's start with you. What did you
bring to show the classroom today?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I brought one item from home, and then when I
got to the off today, I thought I'd add another
item today, and I figured that col didn't bring something,
so I thought, I'll just do twos.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
What you brought, and then we'll find out.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
So the first thing I brought, The first thing I
brought is a rare limited edition. You know, we've been
hearing from the fans that they needed a book version
of the audio Mountain Man. This is, in fact not
a licensed version. This is just some bootleg thing that
a guy produced with chat, GPT and A and a

(42:32):
print as you buy system. So I saw this on Amazon,
and before the lawyers could take it down, I ordered
a copy for eleven dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Oh wait, this guy didn't do this is like a
favor to us. He was trying, no, no legit.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
This was just show showed up on her on our
audiobook thing. Yeah, and so it's it doesn't have a
back cover, and it's it's very strange.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
There's like, so to create your own back cover.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, and and clearly they fed so that The one
troubling thing, and maybe this is a big takeaway, is
you hear how like artificial intelligence is getting so good
and it's just like all it can do is is
look at text and predict what text there should be,
you know, And I read this and it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Oh and so are not your words that are well right?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
They fed our audio into chat ept and they had
it make something that sounded like that. And so this
is so bad it's making me sort of rethink my
own abilities as a writer.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Sorry, I just got word from Corey Seth Coott went
on the next cast.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
We need to make it.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
So, guys, if you see if you see any print
versions of our audiobooks, they are in fact illegal pirated versions,
and don't buy them unless you just want a funny keepsake,
which I did.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So you should have got what was that guy charging
for that box? Okay?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
The next thing I brought is uh the oldest, the
oldest and more most celebrate freeze dried meal in my pantry.
This is a Cincinnati style chili backpacker's pantry that I
purchased at the Bozeman ARII. I believe in like twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Oh when did it expire?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
The expiration date was in May of last year. Oh,
and you can see some of the labels are peeling
off of it. And I've always saved this for a
real special occasion and uh ate it right now. The
time is never right, so it always goes into my
backpack when I'm going out on a hunt where I
think I'm gonna, you know, have a memorable moment that

(44:33):
I want to celebrate with a fake version of Cincinnati
style chili.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
What would it take?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
You think, big old, big old bowl? But then I
get into a rush, you know, I get an animal down,
I start cutting it up, and then I start thinking
about how I can get it out of there. So
it's really like I'd have to be trapped on the
mountain with the an animal of a lifetime for me
to actually tear the seal on this, because I don't
think they make it anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
How does the seal feel on that thing? It's eight
years old?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Oh that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Pretty good.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
You know it doesn't like balloon out?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Uh huh?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
When I yeah, I don't think it's airtight. Okay, I'm
just I hadn't really thought about it. I've rolled it
up and put in my backpack a lot over.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
The past ten years, gone with though on a lot
of trips.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yes, it's kind of like an old friend.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Now, was it saved for a special occasion the day
you bought it? Or did that recently change where it's like, Okay,
now I was.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I mean, I was thrilled when I found it, and
I should have bought a lot of them. It wasn't No,
I didn't like buy it with the intention of saving it,
but it just never felt right to break into it.
And then over time it was like, I've got to
pick the right occasion. So probably three years after this
went in and out of my backpack, I decided it's
a real thing to actually eat it someday, And to

(45:46):
be honest, I don't know that I ever will. I
think my best days are behind me, and I also
lack the courage of conviction required to do something like,
you know, taking a moment and celebrate my accomplishments.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
So I hope it happens this fall y, Does that
mean you killed something big?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Well, tuck this under my arm pit when I'm heading
six feet under.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Okay, that's good, cat. What'd you bring today for show
and tell? Prove Randa wrong at least taking a shoe off?

Speaker 4 (46:14):
All right? What do you got here? Just incredibly on brand?
Do we have a QVC style? Just imagine we're playing
playing the music from the countdown? Just some some socks.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Lots of folks were into crocks I discovered these birken
Stocks versions of a croc. You can call them a
Burkeen croc. Oh lighter weight, I'll be the judge of
that lighter weight obviously weight class. Here, great camp shoe,

(46:51):
backpacking shoe.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
And you know it's retal molded, doesn't stinko super comfey.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Good smell it, Randall, see if it smells or not?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
No, you got to smell the insider.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
H yeah, well yeah it's good. Let Randall. I'm not
saying smell it.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
No, it smells like feet. It literally just smells like
a shoe.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
But I highly recommend they were thirty bucks.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Uh huh. Cal's show intel item with the shoes on
his feet.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yeah, that's good. Grant Grant asks is it breathable?

Speaker 12 (47:23):
No?

Speaker 4 (47:24):
No, well okay, I can't have it all not much
of a QBC.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Second, all right, my Show and Tell item, Well we'll
get better phil and and and listeners. Listeners if you're
out there.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Uh but wait, there's more.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Chime in with your thoughts on whether or not Cal
intended to use his shoe for Show and Tell today.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Why don't you show us that hoodie you were? And
uh maybe maybe the Eddie mug you're drinking out of
next time.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Oh yeah, no problem.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I was going to do this talk about this program
that Pheasants Forever Quail Forever together.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, you got to say something for more show and tells.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, hopefully that show tell is is the winter time
again when he has as many layers as he needs
to come up with a good item.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Providing value to our audience.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Huh, my show and tell it. I'm friends with the
fossil dealer in Utah. It's visiting visiting his shop, and
I had two hundred dollars cash in my pickup and
I said, Seth, Seth, what's the coolest thing I could
get for two hundred dollars? And he pointed to what
I have here. This is one I only have like
three rocks that I've ever bought. The rest that I've found,

(48:28):
and this, in honor of today's show, is a dinosaur
tract that he sold me far far far under value.
This is worth way more than two hundred dollars. And
I protested for a second. I says, Seth, you can't
give me that thing for two hundred dollars, and he said,
sure I can, And so I didn't argue anymore. I
just took that dang track. This is two hundred million

(48:50):
years old. It's from a delufhosauruss Delafosaurus. It's found in
Connecticut from the Portland Formation. Hmm. This dinosaur was made
famous in Jurassic Park, but they depicted them way way wrong.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
A lot of creative liberties. Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So in Jurassic Park they had them as like a
smaller dinosaur that had frills. When it would get angry,
it would would pop these frills off on.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Them spit in acidic venom. That's Dennis Nedri when he
wrecked his cheap to Costa Rica.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Uh huh, he needed that. It did spit venom in
the movie. These dinosaurs, Uh, they do not believe spit venom.
They don't think there was any dinosaurs that even possessed venom,
so that those were a lot of creative liberties.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
The reality is actually it wouldn't be venom though, right.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
It was just like an acidic phlegm, which would be
something that reptiles some reptiles these days have right, it's
just an acid to digest food.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
But palaeontologists don't. They have no evidence that any of
these dinosaurs had any kind of venom or or any
sort of biological functions.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Right, It was just going wild with that.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
But that that's the fun part is we don't have
that much evidence sure as to what exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
What they do think they know about these dinosaurs. This
is one of the first large meat eating dinosaurs that existed.
They stood about six feet tall, twenty feet long, weighed
nine hundred pounds, and at the time this was the
largest land mammal in North America that made this here track.
This is one of my favorite rocks.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Put your hand next to that thing.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, that's tiny. Yeah, That's what's funny about Jurassic Park
is that he makes the the Delaphosaurus a small, sort
of cute dinosaur, and then the velociraptor. They make much larger,
way larger than it was. So you know, do your research, kids.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
That's right, It's one of my favorite rocks. I have
one of the few rocks that I've purchased. I asked Seth,
I says, Seth, you ever sold stuff to us to
anyone really famous, like a list celebrity or big politician.
And he says, yep, Carl, who are they? He says,
I can't tell you. And then I'm like, well, I

(51:07):
begged him. I said, will you give me a hint?
Can I make some guesses? He goes nope. So if
you're looking to if you're a famous personal.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
I mean just between the the movie prop that they
you can't say what it's from. Why are these people
so secretive about this?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Just tell us, Yeah, we're in showbiz, we can take it.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, But if you're looking if maybe if you were
like a star on Parks and Rec and you consume
me eater content, you're looking for a fossil for your
own home. Seth Sorenson from the Fossil Shack, he could up.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
And from the inside knowledge is that from Spencer's Hollywood
Reporter beat is somebody from Parks and Rec.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
And I think there's a few characters from that show.
I don't know that they're interested in fossils. They've consumed
me theater content in the pasts, So maybe they're listening
right now. Maybe they're a male cast member from Parks
and Rec, maybe two of them.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
And roughly in the age of Replasa never misses a show.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, and maybe they're interested in having some fossils for
their home. The fossil shack. He'll keep your secret. He
won't tell me or anyone else that you sold him
some big, beautiful fossils.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Get after it. Roblo joining us.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
On the line. Last is Alex Fogg, the Okaloosa County
Natural Resources chief in Florida. He's here to talk about
turning a retired ocean liner into the world's largest artificial
reef Alex, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Hey man, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
We're doing good. First thing, tell us about the SS
United States, which is the ship at the center of
this story.

Speaker 10 (52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Man, So it's a big old chip. When I first
saw I thought I was looking at the Titanic, and
it has that old ocean liner. Look, who's built back
in the nineteen fifties, sailed all across the Atlantic, made
the fastest crossing from the United States over to England,
and then broke its own record com back, still the
record that it holds today. While it still doesn't have
that fresh code of paint on her anymore, you could

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certainly see how she was quite magnificent back in her heyday. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
It's funny you compared it to the Titanic, because this
ship is bigger than the Titanic slightly. And I've seen
the images comparing the sizes of the SSU United States
to the Titanic. Now, how did Akalousa County acquire the ship?

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah, it's been a heck of a process. We found
out about it maybe three years ago. I had a
contractor that we'd worked with on some other artificial reefs
reach out and say, hey, you know, you should look
at the ss United States. So I went down the
Google rabbit hole started looking at you know what story
this had, and there was some conflict between the old
owner and the dock that it was at. So there
was coming to a point to where the vessel is

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either going to be sold for scrap or it was
gonna have to go to some other purpose. And really
the only economical option was to create an artificial reef
with this vessel. We've deployed hundreds of artificial reefs, dozens
of wrecks, large vessels, not as big as this one,
but large ones in the past, and it just it
seemed like the right option for us to move forward
with negotiating with the previous owner, and then we took

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ownership back in October, which was a big deal. A
small county in Florida owning a thousand foot ocean liner
that was in Philadelphia at the time.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Can can you tell us what you guys paid, Alex.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
Yeah, so we bought the ship for a million dollars,
which is about the price of scrap if it were
to be scrapped. There's about a million dollars worth of
steel on board.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Wow, and then it's a bargain. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
How do you like the tug service to get that
sucker down there? And then I imagine you got to
do it quite a few man hours to make sure
you're putting something not all that got awful in the water, right.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
Yeah, exactly. So this is built in the time when
they didn't really have many rules as to what was
going into paint, what was being burned for fuel. So
there's a lot of that that's still on board, even
though a lot of it was gutted when it got
burt overseas to Ukraine and Turkey. A lot of the
asbesos has gone, but there's still a lot of lead,
a lot of PCBs that are in the paint, a
lot of fuel oil. All that has to be removed
to to ensure that we're not hurting the environment that

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we're open the benefit.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Now, I've been surprised to read that. It seems like
a lot of the decision making is done at a
very local level. In this case, Akalusa County. Would I'd
expect there to be involvement from Noah and the US
Fish and Wildlife Service and maybe even like the state
of Alabama. Could you talk about the red tape involved
with a project like this and how much or how
little power Okalusa County has.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Yeah, Fortunately, we planned way ahead and the way artificial
reconstruction works is you actually get permits way ahead of
time for a certain area to allow you to deploy
artificial reefs whenever you want. So we have a permit
that's good for ten years. It was actually initially obtained
back in the nineties, and you know it's still active
today and we can deploy rex tomorrow if we want to.

(55:41):
So we've already gone through all the consultation with Army Corps, engineers,
Fish and Wildlife, Noah, all those folks, the people that
we I guess had the most red tape that we
had to cut through just to get out of Philadelphia
with the US Coast Guard. So the Coast Guard was very,
very nervous about a vessel that hadn't moved in thirty
years looking the way that it did. They were worried
about its ability to make the toe from Philadelphia all

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the way down into the Gulf and eventually into Mobile.
So it was a hell of a toe. But after
a lot of tests and a lot of surveys by
all sorts of different people in Philadelphia, it was determined
to be okay. There were some water bottles and cups
and things that were left sitting on tables when we
left Philadelphia. It arrived in Mobile with those cups and

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bottles still sitting in the same place.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
That we left them.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Love it.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
It was a very stable boat, no issues, didn't take
on any water. And now's the processes of getting her
all cleaned up, and we'll have to go through similar
hurdles when we tow her from Mobile to south of
destin Fort Walton Beach to deploy the wreath.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I've seen some online resistance to this project, and there
was a recent headline that said campaigners appealed Trump to
save the SS United States. Why are some folks against this?

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Yeah, so you know this, this is one of the
last vessels of its time, you know, essentially a handbuilt
vessel that carries our nation's A lot of people are
very passionate about this vessel. What the people that aren't
so negative about this project don't really know, or maybe
can't wrap their head around, is how.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
That is fishing.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
They don't know fish.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
There's fishing totally. I mean, there's a there's a ton
of money in fishing and diving, and they probably aren't
fishermen and divers themselves, but they can't wrap their head
around what do would cost to actually restore this I
mean we're talking at billion dollars to get this vessel
to a point where it actually be used again. Not
to mean I don't know where the heck you would
put a thousand foot ship for for a long period
of time. I mean it's had in Philadelphia for a
long time and they essentially got thrown out. So there's

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just way too many logistics. I understand that there's historical
value to it. That's where we're going to try and
honor its legacy through a land based museum. So there's
a whole bunch of artifacts that have been collected over
the years where can actually remove the funnels, the big
stacks on the top, and those will be retained for
the museum and and allow folks to come and learn
about it even after it's gone to the bottom. And
if you are on a fisherman or a diver, then

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you know you can go there.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
How deep are we looking to sink this baby?

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Yeah, it's a massive ship, so it's going to be
out one hundred and eighty feet of water, but the
top decks, the whole top deck's gonna be at fifty
five to sixty.

Speaker 10 (58:09):
Feet of water.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Beautiful.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Yeah, yeah, very.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Accessible to the beginner diver. But then if those technical
folks want to go down to the bottom or go
penetrate and check out the engine room, that's that's all
on them.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Oh that is cool. Have you thought about later putting
oh I love love to dive.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Have you thought about putting like some mattresses or old
couches on the deck to get people's speed jigs and
stuff and then you can go down there and collect them.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
I'll tell you, I think the wreck itself is going
to be a magnet for all those all those hooks
and line and jigs and everything. It's it's amazing how
how smart, the fish are and nowhere to go to
get you hung up.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I love it. So there's about a year of prep
work before you can sink this. What all happens in
that time period.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
So once we got to Mobile, we got to Mobile
on what early March, So we've been there about two
months now. They've been removing one hundred and twenty tanks worth,
so millions of gallons of fuel oil that's still on board.
They're removing all the glass, removing all the hazardous paint.
All of this has to come off, and for a
thousand foot ship, that's a lot of material and a
lot of manpowers you implied earlier. So once once she

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gets cleaned up, we'll have EPA and a bunch of
other regulatory agencies on board to come take a look
and make sure we did what we said we did,
and then we'll get that clearance to go deploy it
in one of those permitted areas that I mentioned earlier.
So it's exciting times on the horizon, but still a
ton of work that needs to be done to try
and get this thing down in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, so the day comes where you're ready to drop
this thing to the bottom of the ocean. What is
the process actually like of sinking the ship.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Yeah, back in the day, they used to use bombs
and explosives to blow holes in the side of it
and make it go to the bottom really really fast.
But they determined that that's not good for dolphin environment,
So no, no dramatic explosions. But there'll be holes cut
throughout the ship right above the water line to where
when it's go time, you can open up through holes
inside the ship to allow water to blood controlled. And

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then once those holes that are cut on the exterior
of the vessel sink below the waterline, it'll be gone
in forty minutes. It's a very process once you get
to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
What kind of sea life is going to like this
new artificial reef you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Name it everything. So this is it's such a large
vessel being placed in a location where there's really no
reef material, natural or artificial existing at this time. So
it's going to be an oasis. You're gonna have your
reef fish species, your snappers, and your groupers. You're also
gonna have your pelagic so it's gonna be you know, tunas,
wahoo's billfish, other things swimming by I mean, it's such
a large vessel, it's going to be a magnet for everything,

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including humans.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Alex, It's been a while since I've been in the
ship sinking game, so I'm curious you guys ended up
with the ship. Were there other localities competing with you
for it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
And then.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Along those same lines, is there like a top ten
list of ships like this sitting around the country that
folks in your line of work are are eyeballing and
waiting for to go on the market, or sort of
how does that shopping process look like?

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
Yeah, yeah, start with the first question about other communities. Yeah,
there's there were other communities that were certainly looking at this,
but they didn't have Their total project cost is right
around ten million dollars, so they didn't have ten million
dollars to commit to a project like this. We fortunately
have leadership in the foresight to be able to obligate
those funds and then find partnerships on the back end.
So we've been working to find a number of partnerships

(01:01:26):
to alleviate that total cost, including partnering with some neighboring
communities that we're also looking at getting this vessil. So
it's a win win for everybody. Those partnerships haven't been
formalized yet, but I suspect it'll be in the coming
month or two. As far as selecting vessels, a lot
of it's a case by case basis. You know, Sometimes
a vessel catches fire and they can't put it back

(01:01:46):
into operations, so they give us a call and see
if we'd be interested in taking it as an artificial reef.
Sometimes it's an old vessel that has no other opportunities,
you know, like the SS United States. There's really no
other options, so we worked with them to keep it
from going to the scrapyard and turning it into the
world's largest artificial reef. There are some large vessels out
there that we're certainly keeping our eye on, but it's

(01:02:09):
not something we're actively pursuing until something hits the fan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Have you thought about the merch opportunities here? You know,
there's so many bolt cliches, like T shirts that say
the two best days of boat ownership the day you
buy it and the day you sink it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Like that. Oh Man knows that's a great point. So
there's a lot of examples of where large vessels have
been deployed and they are visited by people from around
the world. The amount of merchandise that pops up is
incredible in the age of social media and digital media
and podcasts like this, it's it's it's amazing how many

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people have learned about this, And I suspect that the
returns in the form of merchandise and visitation all that
stuff is going to be significantly more than anything that's
ever been done before. So we're really looking to see
look at We're really excited to see what pops up
from this, But we're in the we're not in the
business of merchandise. So I think that's probably going to
come down to the dive shops and the fishing shops
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
How quickly will fish start using this new reef.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
Yep, they'll be fish there probably the day after it's
been deployed. There'll be a bunch of bake fish. Now
they aren't going to be established, they're not going to
be sit there reproducing and eating and all that stuff.
They're more just there because there's some new thing that's
on the bottom. It'll take a year or two before
it's a functioning system, but there will be things to
see immediately after it goes to the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
And how do you envision sportsmen using it?

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
Oh man, the amount of early on when you know
there maybe aren't enough fish there to really sustain a fisherman,
or you make for a good day of fishing. It's
going to be heavily dived. But once it's become that
established system, there's gonna be fishing people fishing it every
single day, and then there's going to be people spearfishing
on it every single day. So it's going to be
hammered by the sports fishermen. But the good news is

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there's a lot of other fishing sites and diving sites
all around this vessel, so if there's a bunch of
people there, they can go to one of those other
sites and wait their turn.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well, thank you for joining us, Alex. Congrats on the
record breaking reef and good luck with the project.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Yep, thank you. You guys have a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Thanks you too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Cal's going to be there in a few years.

Speaker 9 (01:04:10):
Oh, I love.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah. You look at the map that Okaloosa County has
of all the artificial reefs they created. It's like reefs
on top of reefs. At this point, I think they
got to figure it out over there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yeah, Alabama's kind of an overlooked Gulf state.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Too cool. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
That brings us to the end of this week's show,
Philllet's get some final feedback from the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Brent would just like to set the record straight that
he did the Turkey reveal thing first, so that's it's
fine he when he does it. Spencer, your holy grail
for rock hounding, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Would say it's a rock that probably doesn't even exist.
I would want a rock that has multiple bits of history.
So if I got to pick one rock to find,
it would be a meteorite that hit Earth, and then
that meteorite was eaten by a dinosaur because dinosaurs had
gizzards just like birds. So people will find or claim

(01:05:04):
to find. It's not always confirmed. A rock that was
a dinosaur gizzard stone and they're very smooth and round.
That's it's a gastrolith.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
The gasterlith is on the ground, gasterlight is in the bird.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Well, I think lift would be stone.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
When I when I hear it referred to as the
fossil version, it's a gastrolith. Okay, So I'd want a
meteorite that hit her that was then eaten by a
dinosaur and was used as a gizzardstone, become a gastrolith,
and then maybe some ancient human picked it up and
used it as a pestile with a pestil and mortar.
That's that's my holy grail. I want. It's it's a
it's a small ask something that came from outer space

(01:05:44):
that was in a dinosaur's gizzard that then some ancient
human used to crush acorns.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Two weeks ago, I basically stayed at the site of
the Jones diamond. Are you familiar with that one? No,
it's the largest specific kind of diamond that's blank and
on here right now. It was found in West Virginia
and a creek. But it's like a giant mystery stone.
You would love this because the formation it comes out
of is in Brazil, and so there's a theory that

(01:06:11):
it was traded over and over and over and over
and over again and eventually got dropped in this creek
in West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
That's the largest alluvial diamond alluvial never discovered in North America.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
That's that's got all the ingredients of the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
This kind of brings us full circle because diamonds are
and the search for them, particularly in alluvial floodplains, is
a key plot element of the film and book Congo.
Yes exactly wowl diamonds though, because they want to use
those in some sort of primitive laser processor in the book. Yeah,

(01:06:45):
in the movie it's a laser weapon. But yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
When we were talking about the legislation in DC, Max
brought up the fact that Cal and Mark both dropped
a podcast today about their recent trip to d C. Cal,
I don't know if you want to just talk briefly
about what you did over there and what kind of
shows you'll be dropping for in the Calm the Wild
Feed next week. Oh boy, Phil and I were just
crying over the news cycle moving way too fast for

(01:07:11):
our pace here. Yeah, we did some lobbying on the
hill in Washington, d C. We attended the Teddy Roosevelt
Conservation Partnership Capital Conservation Awards and basically just rubbed elbows
with some newly appointed Trump appointees in different offices like

(01:07:31):
National Resource Conservation Service and some folks in the Egg Department,
and then tried to hit as many Senate and House
offices as possible to ask them to join the brand
spicketty New Released Public Lands Caucus led by Gave Vasquez

(01:07:53):
out of New Mexico and Ryan Zinki out of Montana.
I saw Congressman Mike Simpson was in the lineup with
that too, But we need more of that, and that's
what we're really encouraging people to do. We were also
talked about mineral withdrawal and the boundary waters. We talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Active land management and not selling off our public land,
especially doing it in a way that avoids all the
things that the public has come to trust, which is
knowing what we're giving up for what we're getting quite simply.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
So fill what else yet?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Let's see here? Oh yeah, you're playing trivia at the
BHA rendezvoute for Rendezvous, correct, Spencer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I won't be there, but Randall, Randall will be. Randall
is going to be leading trivia at the BHA Rendezvous
for the second year in a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Row, Saturday night. I believe it starts at eight pm
June June teens, the mid teens. Whatever the Saturday is, yeah,
I think it's the Tuesdays is seventeenth, so going backwards
since you carry the three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yeah while you're there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
So it's the weekend of the thirteenth, So it's Friday
the thirteenth, Saturday the fourteenth, and then we're going to
have a big public Lands rally on the fifteenth there
in Missoula, which is also Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Well, we'll make up a plan here soon. I think
it'd be fun to get some audience participation in that game,
but I haven't yet sat down to think through the logistics.
But rest is sure, Leland. We will be playing trivia
and it will be a wonderful time. Yeah, in support
of a good organization.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
If you see Randall there, go ask him about the
drunkest he's ever been in his life and he'll have
a good story to share with you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Nope, he'll go there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Okay, won't go there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
He won't share that story with you, So ask him anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Jacob's going on a four day paddle trip in the Midwest.
It's kind of a big area, Jacob, but he's asking
for recommendations on scenic rivers with decent fishing. There's a
lot of four day of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Paddles, but four days if you're straying together. Four days
like camping along the way, You're probably limited.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Go to the Boundary Waters.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Yeah, go to the Boundary Waters.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
You could paddle for months up there. It's plenty scenic
and some of the finest fishing in North America.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Any other recommendation, it's gonna be totally different when there's
an open pit copper sulfide.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Mind, I've only done I've only done one one night,
two day trips on the Little Miami River, and I
don't think it's sort of attracting visitation for out of states.
So maybe look elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Okay, there you go. Randy will tell you where not
to go. What else you got, Phil.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Kevin says, mean, it's a really great fossil. Really happy
for you, But what the people really need to know
is what shoe you're wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Oh, I've got just some Nike tennis shoes on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Kevin answer, I mean, a man of the people, I'll
do my own.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
There's a couple of silly questions, but I feel like
I've done a lot of silly questions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Let's get a couple more.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I'll get my own audience call out. I saw questions
right after we finished our discussion of the gorilla battle,
and someone pointed out that they don't believe that that
many humans would be killed, just very badly injured. And
I actually I'd like to go back on my statement
about thirty to forty being killed. That is, unless the
gorilla had time to go around and sort of finish
off his victims. I think it would just be a

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lot of maimings. So whoever that was pointwell taken, he'll.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Put him in a coma. Yeah, they can make him
on bed rest, yep, anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Phil Marty says inquiring minds wants to know who's in
charge of bumping into the giant foothold trap behind Spencer
every week.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
I'll address this. Yah, I've got a follow up for you,
and it's not you know. The thing is is, it's
not the person who's actually bumping into the trap who's responsible.
It's the person who sits in Spencer's seat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
You see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I think in the event of a fire, everybody on
this side of the table would be dead because there's
not a lot of clearance between the tripods and that
host seat, and so if someone is sitting in that
seat and not paying attention to those around them, they
oftentimes will force those of us with larger bodies to
sort of push up against the wall, which wasn't as

(01:12:06):
hazardous until that foothold trap was in place. So it's
not the it's not the guy bumping the trap. It's
the guy he's trying to avoid.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
And I will say, for being such a respected hunter
and personality in the industry, Stephen Ranella has very little
awareness of what's happening around him. So I'll walk, He'll
be in the chair leaning back. He's just fine, that's
his right. But then I come up next to kind
of I don't he's usually on the phone, you're sending
an email. I'll kind of try to squeeze through, and

(01:12:34):
then I'll finally just have to say, excuse me, Steve,
excuse me, hind you, Yeah, and then he'll move about
an inch and then I'll still bump work trap, which
works for some.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Folks in this office.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But yeah, you have to make him acknowledge you to
get behind his chair. And Marty and everyone else listening
to this, if you really want to help out phil
If if you're a Philistine, what are your what are
your fans called?

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Oh well, there's a question about that. Apparently people don't
like philistine because they think I'm being it's rude, but
I'm I'm erasing it, let's call it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
And my favorite one that I've seen is the cal Mudgeons.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Someone came up with calamanders in this show.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Oh that's good. If you're a philistine, the thing that
you can do, uh, to really prove that you're philistine
is write an email to the meat eater at the
medeater dot com and say, hey, I think you guys
need a bigger studio because we have multiple walls here
we could knock out and we can make a bigger
space for you. And boy, if you think we're podcasting
at a high level, now just wait until this room

(01:13:30):
has like an extra We're going to be over the place,
sixty square feet of We're not going to bump any
more anymore tramps.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Quiet air circulation wouldn't be great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yeah, phil phil would be So write an email to
the meat eater at the medeater dot com and say, hey,
I think you guys need to make your podcast studio
a little bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Spencer said it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I didn't, Yeah, I did, say, all right, next week's show,
We've got a very exciting media to radio Live. It's
dedicated to Man's Best Friend. Because it is dog Week
here at Meat Eater, we got special guests joining us
and a Meat Eater Movie Club Randa, what are you
gonna be reviewing?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Yes, I'm pleased to announce that the Meat Eater Movie
Club is returning by popular demand, and next week, in
keeping with the theme of Dog Week, we're gonna be
reviewing Where the Red Fern Grows. Perfect for dog there
aren't that many good like I was I was, I
was gonna go with Balto. No, if I have to

(01:14:30):
watch air Bud, I'm instead watch Dunstan checks In because
it's the same thing. But within Orangton, we didn't have
White Fang. I thought about White Fang, but then you
did the old one or the or the remake?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
What was the Stephen King movie with? Yeah, that one.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
We're gonna go with Where the Red Fern Grows. It's
available on two b Ku, Fandango, at home Plex, Peacock,
Amazon Prime, YouTube, YouTube TV, and then you can rent
it on Google Play Movies and Apple TV. But don't
rent it, just find free. There also seems to be
just like some bootleg version of it on YouTube, so
I don't endorse as we know, I don't endorse the

(01:15:09):
infringement of intellectual property. But check it out on YouTube
before you go rent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
What movie did you tell me you were considering doing
but it didn't really do it for you, didn't really
get you revved up? Old yeller, Old yeller, Yeah, Dad
doesn't do it for Randall.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
So I mean that's the thing. There's just like sad movies.
Homeward bound. Maybe maybe I'll just show up next week
and I'll talk about Homeward Bound instead to myself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
One more important detail for next week, we want a
hot tip off showdown dedicated to dogs. So send your
hot tip to radio at the Mediator dot com with
the subject line hot dog Tips. We'll have a great
prize for the winner. That's the end of this week's show.
We'll see you guys back here next week for Dog Week.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Thank you so much, Thanks everybody.

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