Ep. 710: MeatEater Radio Live! Noodle the Morel Dog and Kayak Bassing

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Ryan Callaghan, and Brody Henderson, talk with Ellen and her mushroom-hunting dog, Noodle, find out how much Cal and Brody know about their fellow outdoorsmen with a game of Meat Poll, play a round of 1-Minute Fishing with Kristine Fischer in Oklahoma, chat with Brock Wahl about the newly formed North American Pronghorn Foundation, and review listener hot tips about parenting in the outdoors with a special guest judge

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Metter podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
That's one pm for our friends in Simpsonville, Kentucky on
Thursday May twenty ninth, and we're live for Mediater HQ
and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Cal
and Brody. On today's show, we'll talk to Ellen and
her mushroom hunting dog, Noodle. Then we'll find out how

(00:46):
much Cal and Brody know about their fellow outdoorsman with
a game of meat poll. After that, we've got one
minute fishing with Christine Fisher in Oklahoma, followed by an
interview with brock Wall about the newly formed North American
Pronghorn Founder. And finally we've got a hot tip off
with a special guest judge about parenting in the outdoors. First,

(01:07):
Cow Brody, I don't want a hunting update. I don't
want a fishing update from you guys. I want a
garden update. How the garden's looking.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Garden's in, I mean it's early right.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Mm hm. What's going to be different this year? Brody?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
We do something different every year. I let the boys pick.
We're doing some corn this year, which will be new
for us.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay, that was of interest to them.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, that's what they wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
What you leave behind to I just like.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Buying the six dollars, like six for three dollars, you know,
pack of corn at the grocery store. Okay, but yeah,
standard stuff, tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries, pole beans, lots of herbs,
just standard stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Feeling optimistic this year?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Oh yeah, man, I grow an awesome garden everythore.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
It doesn't like just go to hell when you leave
for a week to go fishing at Fort Pack or something.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
No, no, I just water the shit out of it
and then put malts down and it's good, like as
long as it's later. If you did that this time
of year, you'd beat trouble. But in August.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's cal Give us a garden update. How are things looking.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
We had a real serious talk, the lady and I
and and came to the conclusion that it's just not
worth doing a garden this year.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh okay, because of lots.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Of overlapping travel like nobody and you know, it's just
not a high producer anyway with our setup. So we
have garlic and onions. Okay, yeah, but I my mom
is if anybody needs a sweet little farm outside of
the Billings, Montana area. The folks are selling out ninety

(02:47):
acres irrigated right outside of Shepherd. It's a sweet spot.
Kill geese there all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
How many trees around this property?

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Trees?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, tree stands, well, a bunch of cottonwoods okay, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Uh and would they fit it with a tree stand
fit in one of them? Oh yeah, okay yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
And you you would attract wildlife because it is like
zero habitat anywhere around there because it is just wall
the wall farming good sales. But yeah, great spot. And
if it wasn't just weren't so many people, I'd might
be buying that thing. Anyway. She's got a tremendous garden,

(03:28):
always has.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
And comes with the farm, comes with the farm.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
And now it's it's pretty funny because it's just like
all the volunteer stuff that's coming up. And so we
picked cilantro and let us and uh hit the asparagus patch.
And this is where the conflict comes in. Well, we're
pulling asparagus right because I'm like, yeah, you guys aren't
place is gonna sell okay, and pulling asparagus, and my

(03:53):
Mom's like, what the hell are you doing? You gotta
cut that off beneath the soil line.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Or it won't grow back, okay.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
And I was kind of like, well, you guys are leaving,
what's the anyway? But then hop on a plane, go
to Wisconsin, see bubbly Doug. And out there at the
Durham farm they have a tremendous asparagus patch. And I
notice that Doug's lovely wife, Trish aka Trish the Dish
as I like to call her, who else nobody. I'm

(04:26):
trying to establish it though, And I mean, she is
such a sweet person that I just try to make
sure that that Doug knows that as well, and he does.
But amazing asparagus patch and none of them are cut
off low oh. And so I said, Trish, man, what's

(04:46):
the what's the deal? Aren't you supposed to? And She's like, yep,
you are. I just never do and look at the results.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I just saw a Facebook argument about this, like last
week about the same thing. Someone was mad at their
neighbor for stealing from their ditch asparagus patch and doing
it the wrong way. Well, not only were they thiefing it,
but also those mf ors were doing it the wrong
way by not taking it down to the soil. It
seemed like in the comments, folks were mostly on their

(05:16):
side saying you have to take it off below the soil,
and then there were other people saying it doesn't matter.
Never noticed the difference.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean there's foraging etiquette rules, right that we
should all live by. Hmmm, because if done properly, it's
going to be their year after year after year.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You hear the same thing said with moral mushrooms. Yeah,
that like you're supposed to cut instead of pull. That
one is totally false.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, all the stumps in the ground, you can.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Pull those things right out of the ground. That's like
plucking an apple off of a tree. You're not you're
just taking the apple. Even if you pull the whole
thing out, you're not taking the whole tree away. They're
all that my celium underneath is still going to produce
a mushroom if it wants to the next year. That
little stump is going to help or hurt anything.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, but they they'll grow in clumps, right, So I've
like gone back and picked the same spot. Sure, during
that like that same like week long period of real
fruit harvest, right, and have seeing plenty of mushrooms growing
up next to stumps. But I know, I know, you're right.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, it's just it's hard to break that. Yeah, it's
also a little cleaner if you if you take the
whole thing off, like if you if you pull it
out of the ground, you're gonna get get in yeah,
like five to ten percent more mushroom. But you may
trim that off at home anyway.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, and then in the bag that dirty stumps rolling around, Sure,
and it's getting in the gills of the mushrooms, and
it's just more clean.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Plus you can look at it two ways. Either you
are letting other folks know, because I'll come across someone
else's morale stumps, which or damn it, they beat me here.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's like coming across a giant surface poop with tons
of white flagging all over the place, or a.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Big gut pile.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, exactly, fresh boot tracks that come in from some
uh huh, you're the only truck at the trailhead. Yeah,
snow on the ground to set the scene. Hell of
a blizzard the night before, like everything's right. You're the
first person there.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
One set of tracks, and you're like, that whole spot's blown.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And for whatever reason, somebody hiked over the hill from
a different angle and you cut boot tracks about it
mile in yep, and you're just like, so.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
When I find those stumps, someone else has bested me.
They've got me there, But now I know there were
morales there. Yeah, so they're leaving me a little bit
of information.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like people who have to put a
trail camera up everywhere.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Speaking of foraging, let's get to our first interview. Joining
us on the line now is Ellen and her mushroom
hunting dog, Noodle. Ellen and Noodle, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
First thing, Ellen tell us about Noodle. How old is she?
What kind of dog is she? Where'd you get her?

Speaker 6 (07:51):
So?

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Noodle is four and a half years old. I got her. Actually,
it was a long story of kind of fate how
I ended up with her, but I ultimately picked her
up at a children's rodeo in northern California.

Speaker 7 (08:05):
She's a half lab half.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Border colleague, as far as I know, from an unwanted litter.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, and we can see Noodle. Noodle is with Ellen
right now for the interview. You should go watch this episode.
You'll get to see the dog we're talking about. Plus
Phil Phil has some photos of Noodle forging. Now, how
have you ever met another mushroom hunting dog in your life?

Speaker 6 (08:28):
You know?

Speaker 5 (08:28):
I've spoken to a couple people online who are maybe
training or trying to. And I actually used to live
in Italy where a lot of people use truffle dogs.
So I was inspired by that, Oh you want your ball, huh?
And so that did inspire me. But I haven't met
anybody in person yet. I'd love to meet up with

(08:50):
somebody else who has a mushroom dog though.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, and how long has Noodle had this special talent?

Speaker 5 (08:56):
So I taught her about three years ago. She was
a little over a year old when I first saw
her first MOREL season.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And tell us about the training process for teaching Noodle
to find mushrooms.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah, so there's a lot of info out there on
kind of proper scent training protocol. I'll just say I
didn't do any of that. I just kind of winged
it out in the woods.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
One day.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I pointed to a Morrell and I just said, where's
the mushroom? She sniffed it. I immediately threw a stick
for her, because she is with dogs, she's just absolutely
fetched crazy. She will die trying to get that ball.
So I threw a stick for her. I called her
back to the same morele, pointed at it through the
stick again. Then I went to a third morel and

(09:40):
she really, within fifteen minutes had just cracked the code.
And she was off running two hundred feet away, just
waiting for me to throw the ball for her.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's my labrador brain right there.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
What was the most challenging part of teaching Noodle to
find mushrooms?

Speaker 5 (09:57):
You know, honestly, it was surprisingly easy. But I'd say
at the beginning it was a little hard to get
her to differentiate, okay, which mushrooms are good, which mushrooms
are bad.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
But she did.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I mean she figured it out quickly. It's like, if
she sniffed the wrong kind of mushroom, I'm like, no,
that's not a mushroom. You don't get a stick. So
she figured it out fast.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Now, in most videos I see Noodle finding morale mushrooms.
What are the other good mushrooms that she'll help you find.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
So she has about seven varieties. We do morels. We
taught her Chantrell's afterwards, then matsutake. We do Porcini handicaps.
She taught herself, which was pretty annoying because Russia. She
saw me collecting them and then she was like, I

(10:46):
want to get in on this and started trampling them.
But we also do black trumpets.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
If I didn't say that one, Okay, it sounds like
Noodle has taught herself this skill for the most part. Now,
how does she alert you when she finds a good mushroom?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
You know that position that dogs get in when they're
waiting for you to throw the ball and they're kind
of crouched down just at attention. She just crouches by
the mushroom and gets that alert look on her face.
And if I don't see it, I'll often say show me,
and then she taps it with her nose, and if
I really she thinks I'm being a total idiot and

(11:21):
I really can't see it, he smacks it with her pot.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Occasionally she knocks them out of the ground completely.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's awesome, extra helpful. Now you said the reward is
throwing a stick or a ball, that's what you do.
Every time she finds a good mushroom.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, if it's a good one. If it's a little nasty,
I say, ah, that's nasty, find another. Or if she's
really found a cluster and she's going from mushroom to mushroom,
I say, all right, you have to just lay down
and wait for me to collect all of these and
then you'll get your reward.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's great. Now morel's are not toxic for dogs. Does
Noodle ever get to eat them or express any interest
in eating them?

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Well, I will actually clarify that a bit, because while
morals are not toxic, they're actually toxic raw and there
was even a poisoning that included some deaths in the
last few years, I believe in Montana. That's kind of
highly debated in the mushroom world. But they are toxic
raw for both humans and dogs. So always cook your

(12:18):
morales super thoroughly. You basically can't overcook them, but don't
eat them raw. I you know, she'll occasionally bite them
or lick them. Really not much of a bite. She's
not enough to eat anything. But I have her pretty
well trained on not eating food that I don't want
her to eat, So I haven't actually given her any

(12:38):
mushrooms before. I don't really want to give her much
of a taste for it. I've heard with truffle pigs
one of the risks because they're not quite as trainable.
They will bite the owner's hands or the trainer's hands
while the trainer's harvesting in the truffle, so I want
to avoid that more or less.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, what has been Noodle's best ever day of forage?

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Gosh? I mean, that's a tough one. Every time she
finds every time I train her in a new species.
So I would say the second second species I taught
her in was Chantrell's and it actually took her a
lot longer than the morals. We went up to Mendocino
and there's just it's such a rich diversity of fungal activity.

(13:21):
There were so many mushrooms everywhere, so she was getting distracted.
But when she finally pinpointed like, okay, these are the
ones that she wants, doesn't want any of these other ones.
We found over fifty pounds in like you know, an
hour or two, and I sold some to a restaurant.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
So that was a highlight for sure, that is great.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
How is the moral season Ben for you so far
this year in northern California.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, it's been pretty hit or miss. I'd say we
got hot, we don't. We didn't have great snowpack in
the sierra this season. It dried up a little quickly.
So my lower elevation spot's like three thousand and that range.
The mid range really dried up fast, and then now

(14:05):
we're having some I'm not having a bad season in
the higher elevation.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay, good. Good for you guys, Good for Noodle. If
folks want to follow along with you in Noodle's mushroom
hunting adventures, how can they do so.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
We've got an Instagram page. It's really good Noodle and
I've got a lot of videos of her running around
in the woods getting up to adventures together. And we
do have TikTok as well. Same name. Not as active
there though.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
One of my favorite follows on social media is Ellen
and Noodle. Thank you guys for joining us. Please tell
Noodle she's a good girl and we're very impressed with
her foraging skills.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Thanks so much for having us.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Thank you. That's sweet. Cal I love snort snort. It's
a great dog. I'd rather have a mushroom hunting dog.
I think that's good.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Good hunting dog can hunt anything, that's right.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Okay, I'd like to see you teach Snort. It sounds
like if the dog is into it, there's not a
lot to do.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And I mean, yeah, it's the prey drive plus the
praise drive.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
What kind of praise does snork it when she's being
a good girl A lot of hunt?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, you know, like she doesn't want to be I
give her praise?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Really, she wants food at the end of the day.
But man, during a hunt, you can't hardly touch her.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Her praise, her praise is just fine.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And a bird right her alone?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh she wants that bird so bad.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, yeah, all right. Our next segment is meat Pole.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Say if Sully and meat fool is to take my pole,
Welcome to meat lady. I got a game something.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Meat Pole is a test of how much you know
about your fellow hunters and anglers. I surveyed five hundred
meat Eater listeners about the outdoors. Your job is to
predict their answers. There are three questions. Whoever is closest
to the correct answer between Callen Brody gets a point,
and whoever gets two points will be the winner. Also,
the chat should play along because Phil is going to

(16:09):
watch your answers and give a shout out to whoever
is close.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I'm not fall what if we both get two points.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
There's only three questions, so that won't happen. One of
you is gonna get a point each question, and that's
how we're gonna settle this thing, all right. Question one,
what percentage of meat eater listeners have washed their pickup
in the last month. We're supposed to write this, write
down and answer hide your answer. That's right. What percentage

(16:38):
of med eater listeners have washed their pickup in the
last month. Now, for this question, I said for pickup
owners only, which happened to be about ninety percent of
folks who took their survey. So what percentage of those
people have washed their pickup in the last month? Callen's
the last time you washed your pickup?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I am not a good via washer, never ever, ever
have been.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, that doesn't surprise me, but.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Part of my Memorial Day clean up was vacuuming out
the truck and with the dog hair in the sand
and all this stuff, and then I did what I
wasn't intending to wash the truck, but I needed to
spray out the floor mats because they were real nightly,
and so I did end up posing off the truck.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I bet I go through a car wash four or
five times a year, not that often. I'm conscious of
it if I go on a hunt where I think
I'm gonna end up asking for permission, Oh yeah, because
when I go knock on someone's door and if I
had just like a filthy, dirty, muddy pickup, they're gonna
be thinking, this guy wants to drive through my field,
that's gonna be a big no. Because one of the

(17:46):
first things if I do get permission they'll say is
just don't drive anywhere, don't drive through any gates, don't
drive through any fields. So I try to be aware
of that. I want to show up with a sparkling,
clean pickup either, because then that sends a different message.
But if that thing just looks like I drove it
through a big old mud puddle, that's no good for me.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
No, it's not yet, I mean, but there's also like
the noxious weed side of things, right, Like vehicles are
a huge vector for spreading bad things.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, and that stuff like you're driving around, say out
in eastern Montana and the gumbo and that stuff gets
glued to the bottom of your truck. You gotta get
rid of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Hey, Phil, do you have any bet of music to
play while we uh, while we do this?

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Nothing original?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh that's okay. Do you boys have an answer for
what percentage of media do listeners have washed their pick
up in the last month? Go ahead and reveal your answers.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
The one came out, okay, all right, so go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Brody says seventy one percent. Cal says forty one percent.
The correct answer is thirty point five percent. So Cal
gets that first point. Thirty point five percent of media
do listeners have washed.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Their dirt bags? Not washing their stuff in.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
The last month. One study showed that the average person
washes their car thirteen times a year. That same study
showed that seventy nine percent of people go to a
car wash versus twenty one percent of people who wash
their car at home. But when it comes to the interior,
the average person cleans the inside of their car once
a year.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Whoah, I just paid my boys to detail my truck.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh are they are are they can I hire them to?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well, how much you want to?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Would you charge that?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
The charity of the job is going to be based
on how much you're willing to pay it.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Would you pay them?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I was a little underwhelmed and I had to up
the ant is.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
About fifty bucks?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
They split fifty Okay?

Speaker 8 (19:36):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Did it seem like a fifty dollars job? Do you?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah? It was worth it to me. I didn't want
to spend a couple hours doing that.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Uh, Montana Hunter said twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Oh, well done, Montana Hunter, you were two percentage points off.
All right? Question two? What percentage of meat eater listeners
have ever bitten into a BBI? What percentage of meat
either listeners?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
You're talking like any kind of pellet, like not a bebe?
Like a bb gun? Yeah, any kind of pellet, not
gun pellet, But it does like.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Break you phil That That ups? That makes is so
much better what we're doing here. What percentage of meat
eater listeners have ever bitten into a bb cal? How
many bebes in your lifetime? I'm gonna guess like five
or six.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh, buddy, I got a two cracked teeth in my
face a year.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Oh, Yeah, how many what's the number?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh, twenty I I I was gonna say thirty, but
I thought that sounded dramatic. But it's definitely higher than twenty.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Do you think you've gotten better or worse in your
lifetime about cleaning bebies out of stelf?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, technology is a mother scratcher. Number nine tongues down.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, holy cow, dude buried like oh, in the bottom
of a thigh or a breast. Yeah, like you can't
find that's probably swallowed. Yeah, several of them. Yeah, without
knowing that.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
How about you, brody, how many bebes have you been into?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Dozens? Like, and I mean like there's degrees of biting too.
It's like, oh I feel it and I just spit
it out, no big deal, and there's like wham, you
come down on it with both molars. That's rough.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I'm at single digits, but it's because one, like
the last experience was really bad where I'm like, I'm
never gonna let that happen again. I'm gonna clean these
things so thorough, or I'm gonna cut the meat so thin.
A bb is never gonna make it onto my dinner plate.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, they just find a way in there.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Man.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, when you get the one that we're like it,
there's like a mammalian spinal reflex that happens.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, it's almost like it's like as shocking as a
bad electric shot. Yeah you know, Oh yeah, it goes
all the way down your Spine's a meal.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So what percentage of meat eater listeners have ever bitten
into a bb You boys, ready, sure, yep, go ahead
and reveal your answers. We have Brody saying eighty eight percent,
Cal says sixty three percent. One of you is within
three points of the correct answer. The correct answer is
sixty five point nine percent. Cow is on fire man

(22:11):
of people here, eighty percent of Americans over the age
of forty have had at least one cracked or fractured
tooth in their lifetime. The most common foods that cracked
teeth are hard candy, nuts, ice, popcorn kernels, and bone
in meat. That study I was looking at never said
anything about pellets, But I imagine our audience is very
familiar with that feeling you boys are describing.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
I think.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
You overestimated how many bird hunters we have.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I think that's the.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, But ducks, pheasants, turkeys, I mean they're all birds. Yeah,
I know, it's just like I'm a little disappointed.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Question three, we have.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
The broke three gunners saying sixty seven, So good job.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Damn one percentage point off. Here's question three. We'll see
if cal can get the clean sweep and make Brody
run around the off is naked, as is tradition when
you get skunked naked? What percentage of meat eater listeners
have fishing bait in their fridge or freezer right now?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Oh, I can tell you, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (23:14):
What?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
What you got leach in the garden?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Got some crawlers and leeches?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
How are you going to spend those?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
What do you mean spend them?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Like we're going to use fishing currency. What are you
gonna do with them?

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Catch a bunch of walleye? Hope, maybe some perch.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
What percentage of meat eater listeners have fishing bait in
their fridge or freezer right now? I have some deer
liver that you're marked, uh for some catfish on the
Yellowstone River later this summer, So I've got some in
my freezer. How about you Cal? Any bait in your
home right now? Staying cold?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
You already asked the question, but I feel like old
meat it doesn't qualify for this question or shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh, I think folks would know if they put it
in their freezer for the purpose of catching a fish.
They probably answered, honestly, what percentage of meat eater listeners
have fishing bait in their fridge or freezer? Right now? Okay, boys, ready,
go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying
thirty eight and Brody's saying fifty. It's a clean sweep

(24:20):
for Cal. The correct answer is thirty four zero point
nine percent. Cal dominated today very close on every one
of these questions. He's declared it before. He's a man
of the people, but this this game really proves it.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Phil Ti Sonar people, will you take that Spencer Newheart soundclip?
That might be the nicest thing he ever says about
man memorialize that someplace.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
American spend one point five billion dollars on live bait
and natural bait each year. That's fifty percent more than
they spend on lures and flies and twenty percent less
than they spend on boat fuel. Bait accounts for about
thirteen percent of all phishing related expenses.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Ryan Carl since in thirty four point five damn.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Point four percentage points off. Thirty five percent of people
who are listening to this show have bait in their
fridge or freezer right now?

Speaker 8 (25:13):
All right?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Moving on, Our next segment is one minute Fishing chousing bait.
We'll do you. I'll find out in a second.

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Go ahead, make my casts.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Bread in a ringer here?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Didn't you we were trying to. One Minute Fishing is
where we go live to someone who's fishing and they
have one minute to catch a fish, and if they're successful,
we'll make a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation group.
This week, our angler is Christine Fisher aka Midwest fisher
Gal on Instagram. She's on ten Killer Lake in Oklahoma
and fishing for a donation to the first Wisconsin Chapter

(25:49):
of Muskie's Ink. Christine, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
Hey guys, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
We're doing good. Christine is pre fishing for a tournament today,
so tell us about the tournament that you'll be competing in.

Speaker 9 (26:02):
So I am practicing for the bass Master Kayak Open
here on Lake Tenchio and Oklahoma. I think it's the
third open of the year. I've only fished here one
time before.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
We had a.

Speaker 9 (26:13):
Championship here last year. Different time of year, but this
lake is gorgeous, has big small mouth, large mouth. I've
had a pretty good bite going with the fish. The
lake is about seven ft flooded. The fish are kind
of spread out their post spawn, so bine stars few
and far between. But when you can get them to eat,
they're pretty pretty good sized.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Okay, tell us about your kayak setup that you got there.

Speaker 9 (26:36):
I'm fishing out of a Hobie Pro Angler fourteen three sixty.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
I'm keating. I got a little motor on the back.

Speaker 9 (26:43):
Because you know, we get lazy in our old age.
I have two low ranch grafts up front. I've got
about fifteen rods with me right now. I've got a
few different patterns going and trying to just break down
this lake. I didn't get a ton of don't get
a ton of practice.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
On this one. But yeah, it's a pretty good setup.
I love it. It's comfortable. I can stand up.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
I usually stand and fish and use these two little
foot pedals right here for control steering, so I can
set my motor on you a mile and a half
an hour stand up, use punched in power fish and
run a patterns.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
It's pretty effective for me.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Amazing little boat. Now, Christine is fished in one hundred
and seventy one kayak bass tournaments. She's placed in the
top ten and sixty of them and took first place
in ten of them. So Christine, give some advice to
folks listening who want to catch more fish from a kayak.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
So the best advice I can give you got to
get out there and do it first and foremost kayaks
are great because it forces you to kind of really
learn an area.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
So I always advocate for kayak fishing.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
But I always tell people fish your confidence, fish your strength.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
If you hear the doc talk that people.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
Are crushing them on a crank a on a square bill,
and you don't necessarily love throwing a square bill, you're
not gonna catch those fitsch. So I always tell people
when it's tournament time, when it comes down to putting
fish in the boat, you need to fish your strength
no matter where you're at, Just try to find water
that suits your strength.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
And because at the end.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
Of the day, fish and how you like to fish,
that makes it a lot more fun too.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Good advice. Now for the one minute of fishing. What
kind of area are you in and what kind of
blue or are you throwing?

Speaker 7 (28:23):
Well?

Speaker 9 (28:24):
So, like I said, my my big small mouth and
large amount bai is few and far between. So I
came out to this little little island out here in
the middle of the lake, and I found some scattered bait.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Then there's some white bass. Actually caught two of them
while you guys were talking.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
So I'm just I really wanna Yeah, I want to
be able to catch just a fish here. So I've
got a little little paddle tail swim bait and there's
a scattered bait, and there's some white bass kind of
cruising in the area.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
I don't know if I can do it in a minute,
but I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Gonna try, Okay, and standing or sitting.

Speaker 9 (28:57):
I'm gonna sit because if I stand and I'm setting
you guys down on my kayak, ninety percent sure my
phone a goal in the water. So we don't want
to donate at the drink. I've done that a lot,
not today.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Is it intimidating to know that all of your tournament
experience is culminating right now and meat eater one minute fishing,
I'm gonna lie.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
I usually don't cave under pressure, but I'm feeling the
pressure on this one. You guys, I want I want
the Wisconsin Musky guys to get get a little donation.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
Because I fish.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
Musky's up there all the time, and I know, I mean,
this is more important than we win in this tournament.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
Honestly, in my opinion, I love.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
That attitude for you.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
All Right, Christine, your one minute of fishing starts as
soon as you make your first cast.

Speaker 7 (29:40):
Okay, okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Pick your spot.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
All right, she's made cast. Got an interesting perspective here.
I've never watched someone fish from the bottom of feet before.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
Don't don't put this on feet finder, Christine.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
You're fifteen seconds in doing a little paddle tail. There's
some overcast today. Conditions look good, maybe a slight breeze.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Thirty seconds to go, she's gonna make another cast.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Got time for another cast.

Speaker 10 (30:23):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
That's some crucial mental game right there that you keep
playing it.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Verdian recast twenty seconds ago.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
Christine, my heart's beating.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Ten seconds left. Need one white bass.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Oh they just came after this.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, she had a bite right at the end. Your
one minute is up. Tell us what happened there, Christine.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
Man, I had a little group of them right there,
and yeah, I didn't catch them.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
They came after it.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
But like I said, I've caught two here in the
last couple of minutes. I think, I think, I I
think they got smart to what I was doing.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Okay, they knew you were now on the show and
not just pre fishing for the show.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Sang thanks.

Speaker 9 (31:19):
I've probably just thrown that I've been catching these big
small mouth on a big seven inch swim bait and
under skipping in her docks and around some what a cover.

Speaker 7 (31:27):
I probably just should have rolled the that I got.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
One last question, Christine. Ten Killer Lake is known for
a mythical freshwater octopus. Have you seen any evidence of
the freshwater octopus this week?

Speaker 7 (31:40):
No?

Speaker 9 (31:40):
But I think isn't a unagi? Is an octopus? Isn't
that Japanese unagi? That's one of my favorite, like shashimi things.
So if I do find okay, let you guys know
how that takes.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But I'd love to know. Not seeing any okay, the
ten Killer octopus continues to be elusive. All right, Thank
you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Christine.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Good luck in the tournament this week.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Have you ever seen a kayak like that?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Man intense, like an arms race of kayaking?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Like all thanks, it's yeah, it's impressive. I mean there's
guys that are like doing offshore blue water fishing in
those things big time. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
All right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a
break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have
to say?

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, Leland our guys, says cal What are you looking
forward to most about BHA Rendezvous?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, we got rendezvous coming up starting. I'm gonna be
there all week. But it's June like fourteen, fifteen sixteen
and Missoula, Montana.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Great people, fantastic people. We got a bunch of stuff
to recap. We gotta keep folks motivated on public lands.
We got corner crossing cases is getting revived at this point.
I kind of feel like we should be thanking iron
bar holdings because they just keep it. Yeah, because now

(33:07):
it's going to the highest court in the land, which
means corner crossing is going to be legal everywhere for
certain and it's gonna be on their dime, which is great.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
What's kind of the general temperature on that right now?
Are people optimistic that they're going to side with the
hunters and public land users?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, you know, politics shouldn't come into play and stuff
like this, right, Like a judge is supposed to be impartial.
But I think that is the idea is that they're
going to lean way more conservative and they're going to
somehow turn it into a private property rights thing, where

(33:45):
I mean, it just is not right. It's like you're
stepping from public land to public land. There's a couple
of bad actors out there that are trying to monopolize
public land through the use of strategically purchased private land.
But man, I feel really good about it. I mean,
we have two federal court decisions.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, that's the thing is, like the Supreme Court has
to find a good reason to not agree with the
decisions that were already made. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I think there's a high likelihood that the Supreme Court
is going to be like, this is not worth our
time or the taxpayer's time to review this. We defer
to the lower court.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
So you expect there to be some chatter about that
at the bha Rendez vis Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I mean we'll have some panels on all the policy stuff,
and that's a huge reason that people show up. Me
say like here, you get to follow your cash in person, right,
become a member. This is what you're paying for, this
is what we're working on. Here's all the issues that
we're working across in North America. Plus there's really good

(34:45):
food and just it's it's a refreshing kind of refill
your cup type of experience. It's not draining like some
of these events that we all put together are so.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And Missoula's a good place to be in the summer.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Zula's a great place to be in the summer.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
What else you got?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Phil H. Spencer.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I don't know if you watched the show last week,
but there was some debate about if they prefer the
free Wheel and Yanni show or the professional, you know
show that that you run. We've got a lot of
people asking for for random for hunting stories, for meandering
hunting stories, anything new you haven't shared yet.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I'm just trying to balance the shows out. You know,
if we sat around and I don't want us to
just talk about hunting stories every week. So I'm trying
to be the ying to Yanni's yen.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
And I think I think that's good. I think I
think it should be a different show, different flavor based on.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Who's host is.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'll tell you this, Yanni is back in one of
the host chairs next week. He's on a hunt right now.
Some ex so expect some hunting stories then. But in
the meantime, Cal Brody anything to share.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
No, man, hunting season's over for me for a while.
It's fishing season now, garden season.

Speaker 8 (35:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
On that note, Sebastian says, two days left of turkey
hunting in New York, running gun or sitting Wait.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Go find them, Sebastian, New York's a big.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
State, Like, gotta know a little more.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I mean, if you're already on birds, I would say
sit and wait, especially this time here and things just
are slowed down. Yeah, if you can get them to
talk to you one time, I'm like, Okay, they know
we're here. It's kind of like the best best move
you can make.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
So but this late in the year, there's probably a
lot of vegetation for you to be uh sneak sneaking
around in what.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Else you got For another one from Sebastian, any update
on the venison beef jerky contest.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh yeah, kind of. It's probably not gonna happen, Sebastian.
The suits here at Meat Eater said we shouldn't do that.
We shouldn't invite folks to send us food that we're
then going to eat, because someone's gonna get poisoned and
then we're gonna wind up in a lawsuit. So I
think we're maybe working on a pivot. I pounded the

(36:55):
table hard for us to do this. The idea being
that we're gonna, you know, bring in thirty venison jerkeys
from across the country from listeners. We're going to eat them,
we're going to rank the top three, we're going to
hand out some big prizes. But the suit says, no,
you're not. So that's where we're at right now, Sebastian.
Maybe later this year, maybe twenty twenty six. That's that's

(37:16):
your update.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Russell says he's going out for Idaho Spring Bear June
thirteenth to fourteenth, a little later than usual. Should I
not use the distress call? Or yeah? Should I not
use the distress call? Or stay with it? He says
he always spots and stocks, but this lady's looking for
a cruising boar cal Man.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Believe me.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I don't plug stuff just to plug stuff, but that
phelps fawn and distress call. And you just make it
sound like in your mind you want to crying human infant.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Like sick and dying human infant.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah yeah, and you gotta have that.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Do you have that in your mind as you're hitting
that call, and you are not going to see like
a crazy amount of action, but it weeds out smaller bears.
So you're either going to get a big sal or
very confident and should be large.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Bore happening right in your face too.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I'm not afraid to scream
on that thing.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Find yourself a sick baby Russell.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
All right, one one more quick one? Cody can film
make a new drop for the trivia tiebreaker question. I
think you're a You're a plant from Spencer Cody because
he's also asked for that, and I think I've got
I've got some spare time in the next couple of weeks,
I'll try to knock one out.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, yea. The people are looking forward to it now.
He's made a promise on air so it's going to happen,
all right. Moving on, joining us on the line, last
is brock Wall, the founder of the newly formed North
American Pronghorn Foundation. Brock Welcome to the show, thy.

Speaker 11 (38:49):
Guys, Thanks for thanks for having me. I'm really excited
to be here.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, we are too. Then, the North American Pronghorn Foundation
is the only conservation group that's dedicated to antelope. Tell
us about how and why it was formed.

Speaker 11 (39:03):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
At first, I would like to say too that there
are a couple of state based conservation groups dedicated to
pronghorn in Arizona and South Dakota or the two that
I know of, but we are indeed the only nationwide
one that is focused on pronghorn throughout North America the
entire continent. So I just wanted to make sure that
those those state based groups get some some love there.

(39:27):
But we really got started on Randy Newberg's Hunt talk form.
There was just kind of a conversation that took place.
Some some guys are asking why one doesn't exist, and
a few of us got together and said, well, there's
no better time to start than now. So we file

(39:48):
articles of incorporation and in twenty twenty four and got
started and we really felt like, you know, there's a
variety of reasons in terms of our why, but you know,
everything from you know, pronghorn populations just struggling a little bit,
you know, habitat problems, migration issues, to also just you know,

(40:09):
the with the amount of development that's going on and
the amount of pressure that you know, this Western hunting
is receiving, there's also just this need to get more
resources on the ground, whether you know, whether that's the
pronghorn or sage grouse or mule deer. I mean, there's
a whole host of species that benefit from the same
landscapes that pronghorn do. So we really just felt like

(40:30):
there was just no reason not to have this group
and no reason not to get it started.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And what are the current initiatives of the North American
Pronghorn Foundation.

Speaker 11 (40:41):
Well, right now, you know, we're still new, so we're
just just over a month old. We went live on
April twenty first here of this year, and so so
far the things that we've been focused on are trying
to get some policy comments out there in for some
BLM style for some migration corridor designations, and then we're

(41:04):
also working on trying to set up a fencing project
here in northeast Montana. Not one hundred percent sure if
that's gonna all come together here this year, but we're
super excited about it because we're able to, you know,
get some local stakeholders on the ground, both landowners, other
conservation groups, and utilize GPS caller data from pronghorn in

(41:26):
that exact area. So we're really hoping to bring that
added value to that pronghorn research in cooperation with a
bunch of partners. And then you know, really, I don't
know that this will be really qualify as an initiative,
but really, membership growth is a big priority right now.
You know, we have some really lofty goals and we'd
really like to be able to do some big things

(41:47):
around around the entire West, and in order to do that,
we're going to need a lot of money. And so
membership growth is really something that we're focused on and
really trying to grow that membership so we can take
that money, turn it around and put it right on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Data shows that prong horn populations are down about twenty
percent across the entire continent over the last few years.
Talk to us about what the greatest challenges they're facing
is and why that might be.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
Yeah, there's a few things that pronghorn are really struggling with,
and one is winters, obviously, and I think, you know,
you probably wouldn't be correct to say that, well, there's
not much we're going to be able to do about winters,
and that's true. However, you know, it's when we highlight
the fact that winters are increasing mortality. There's a couple

(42:33):
of variables there that I think are really important to
point out as to what is making those winters, you know,
so hard on pronghorn. And certainly, you know, extreme winters
with a lot of snowpack, there's gonna be some die
off and you can't really do anything about that. However,
you know, we have examples from other research data, from

(42:54):
observational data, anecdotal data from landowners where they're noticing that
during those storms, those those pronghorn are trying to migrate
and they're getting stuck in certain areas because offences or
man made barriers, or another element would be you know,
maybe their winter range habitat where or they're only planning
or intending on being at in the winter is degraded

(43:15):
so much or non existent that you know, they just
don't have the nutrition on the landscape to make it
through that winter. And you know, related to that, I mean,
something that's really interesting to think about when we think
about habitat degradation for pronghorn is that in the last
twenty years. So I think it was the USDA or
maybe it was the USGS that came out with a

(43:37):
study and they looked at sage brush from the years
two thousand and one to twenty twenty, and over that
twenty year time period, they found that western United States
was losing a million, just over a million acres of
sage brush per year. And that's I mean, that's prime
forage for pronghorn, it's prime winter habitat, it's prime falling habitat.

(43:58):
So you know, it's things like that that we would
really like to be able to throw some money on,
throw some some volunteer power on, and some attention to
to to really get things turned the other direction.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Now, I saw that your first policy action was to
support the removal of feral horses from Blm Land in Wyoming.
Tell us about that.

Speaker 11 (44:21):
Yeah, so I know this can be a controversial issue
and We certainly don't want to be insensitive to the
folks that are really big horse fans. I mean, we
have nothing against horses. My uh, I grew up with horses.
My mom was was really big into horses, and so
I'm used to being around them. But you know, it's
pretty hard to deny and there's a lot of you know,

(44:43):
published peer reviewed research that supports this idea that you know,
wild horses or feral horses can be really hard on
native landscape one because their populations just blow up. They
don't really have any natural predators, and so you know,
it's really not uncommon for them to you know, double

(45:03):
their population in a really short period of time on
a landscape that is really not suited for them. And
so what you end up getting is end up getting
a lot of damage to save brush, a lot of
damage to winter range, damage to water infrastructure, and it's
just you know, those horses are are out competing native species,
particularly pronghorn, mule deer and sage grouse are really you

(45:25):
know some of those those species that are most affected.
And so the BLM has really been on a sort
of initiative to to try to get this under control
and try to remove some of these horses from the
landscape so we can start doing some work for the
native species that I know a lot of the hunters
and anglers like myself are really want, and so that

(45:45):
we could start making some headway on savedbrush restoration and
things of that nature. And so for us, it was
really just about prioritizing pronghorn and their habitat over the
feral horses that are not native and are almost everywhere.
In every case, they are vastly overpopulated.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Brock.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I just spoke with the rancher in California who's got
a native population a pronghorn on his ranch, not huttable,
but he's going to join us at field Table this
year at Rendezvous, so you got to meet up with
him and talk. He's actually has a fencing business where
he goes through and does some of that mitigation work

(46:27):
for wildlife passage.

Speaker 11 (46:30):
Very cool. Yeah, I'd love to meet him.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, Brock. I also read you say that Wyoming has
some of the best infrastructure in place for antelope and
some other states need to catch up. What does that
mean exactly?

Speaker 11 (46:43):
Well, I don't want to make that sound like you know,
the other states aren't doing or pulling their weight. I
think part of what we're observing here is just the
fact that Wyoming is sparsely populated, which gives them a
little bit of advantage when they're trying to deal with
some of this stuff in terms of wildlife and habitat.
But you know, they really have devoted a lot of resources.
You know, they've they've gotten a lot of support for

(47:03):
these things on a political level, through a management level
and an administration level, and so you know, they just
have the right resources in place. They've had the right
support for it, the right public support for it, and
I think it's just put them in a position where
they're able to utilize you know, cooperative research unit funding.
You know, through the Wyoming Migration initiative's done some fantastic

(47:25):
and incredible, you know, really groundbreaking work on migrations for
a variety of species. And so I think, you know,
when we look at places like Colorado or Montana, Idaho, Nevada,
New Mexico, and Arizona, you know, we're starting to see
some of that similar migration research and things like that
being done. But I really think that what we say

(47:47):
when we mean what we mean when we say that
is really just to try to get everybody else operating
sort of with that same intent, to really try to
figure out what pronghorn need, where they're at on the
ground at different times a year, and what their challenges are.
And there's just, you know, very few tools out there
that will beat a GPS caller to tell you all

(48:09):
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Last thing, how can listeners support the North American prong
Horn Foundation.

Speaker 11 (48:16):
Right now? You can go to our website which is
pronghorns dot org, so that's pronghorns with an S dot
org and that is our website. You can buy memberships there.
You can go to our merch store and order T
shirts and hats, things of that nature. And then we
also have an Instagram which is napp Official so napf

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Underscore Official, and then you can look us up on
Facebook as well. And we really want your membership. Like
I said, we are really trying to grow this organization
into something that's impactful and so we would love for
you to give us thirty five dollars and let us
prove to you that we are are who we say
we are and we're going to do what we say
we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Again, that is Pronghorns dot org. Brock, thanks for joining us,
and thanks for sticking up for anelope.

Speaker 11 (49:04):
Thanks for having me. Guys appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Cal It's been too long for us to not have
a prong horn federation or foundation at a national level.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, I mean for such a crazy, iconic, unique native species,
like truly native, it's really wild. Once you understand how
pronghorn are managed differently state to state, or you could
say not managed at all state to state, it's like

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a giant loophole. So putting some more more focus getting
that magnifying glass on this species is certainly needed. And
Brocks correct, right, like that sagebrush ecosystem or grasslands, we're
losing about two million acres a year right now, so
it's the most imperiled ecosystem in the world, not just

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the United States.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Again, that's longhorns dot org. Consider joining the North American
Pronghorn Foundation. All right, last thing for today is the
Hot tip Off.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Turn your head and give what's that face?

Speaker 11 (50:22):
I don't have any hot tip's salty.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Hot tip off is where two listeners go head to
head with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear
each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you
have a hot tip, take a one minute video on
your phone and email it to Radio at the medeater
dot com with the subject line hot Tip Off. This
week it's Matt Short versus Ben Hunter, and they're competing
for a copy of Catch a Crayfish, Count the Stars

(50:55):
paperback edition as well as an m k C Flat
tail knife. And we have a special guest judge joining
us today, Steven Ranella, because these are hot tips about
parenting and Cal and I have yet to reproduce and
you have, so we brought you into the studio to
decide who So you guys.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Are you guys even voting or is it the.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Listeners vote?

Speaker 8 (51:18):
But this is like very identity politics.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Maybe Steve can sway their vote.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I think I thought we were weighing in, Corey.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Everybody can weigh in in.

Speaker 10 (51:28):
But I'm the judge, right If I'm not, I mean,
am I to say or not to say?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Listen? What do we think?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I'm a parent? Too?

Speaker 11 (51:35):
Man?

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I got rights.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
We're gonna let the chat decide, Like that's my truth.
We're gonna let the chat decide. Those of folks are
gonna before we go.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Both of the people that are competing, get a copy.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Not just okay.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
The real prize is the second right here that they're
gonna give to their kid, and so their kid can remember.

Speaker 10 (51:58):
Tell your kid cut towards your body.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Uh huh. So, Steve, you're gonna need to watch the
screen behind you. Phil, Phil is gonna play these hot
tip offs. Take it away, Phil. Benjamin Hunter. Wow, my
name is.

Speaker 12 (52:15):
Benjamin Hunter, and he has a hot tip taking kids fishing.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Make your own moors.

Speaker 12 (52:19):
Go to the thrift store and buy some cheap spoons
from the silver aisle. Then go home and cut off
the handles with a hacksaw. File off the sharp edges,
and droll hole about an eighth of an inch from
each in. Now that you have should look something like this.
Now attach a split ring to each end and put
a trouble hook at the bottom. Tie it off to
your line and go fishing. Not only can this be

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an effective lure, but it is also fun to catch
fish on a lure you've made, it's.

Speaker 10 (52:47):
Gonna be hard to beat that the other one.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
Well. Matt Short, Hey, what's up meat? Eat to crew.
My name is Matt Short from Firestone, Colorado, and he
is a hot tip every parent knows that the success
of their outing with kids is dependent on keeping them fed,
warm and dry. But nothing will end your family fishing trip, day, hike,

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upland hunt faster than a bathroom emergency gone wrong. I
can't even count on my two hands how many times
my own kid's inability to judge when their next valve
movement should be has ended one of our trips. That's
why I've come up with kid poop bags. Pretty simple concept.
Zip blog bag, toilet paper, dog poop bag. Right, if

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you want to get fancy with it, grab yourself some
sanitization wipes. If you don't have a dog and don't
have readily access access to these poop bags, run down
to your local park. I guarantee you there's a lovely
little dispenser there you can grab a couple for yourself.
I put every single one of I put one of
these in every single one of my bags. That way
I'm always ready. Kid needs to take a dump, I

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go great, drop it on the ground, pick it up
like it's a dog, Wipe him up, hand, sanitize myself.
Everything goes back in my zip block baggie. I pack
it out and we keep on trucking. Don't let your
kids incontinence or lack of judgment of when is a
good time to drop a load in your next family adventure.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Steve thinking a tie.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
You only got one knife, man, we're gonna have to
find another one. I'll give him one of my personal
knives out of my personal box and knife.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
You're gonna pick Matt poop bag over the little kid
who's making his own fishing lue.

Speaker 8 (54:29):
Well, I like the kid because he's cute. Yeah, the
whole thing's cute. It's just cute. And I'll get out
the whole thing making lures. The fact that the kid presented, well, yeah,
I love everything about it.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 8 (54:41):
I mean it's all good.

Speaker 10 (54:43):
Normally, what would have happened Normally I would watch and
out belittle one of them.

Speaker 8 (54:48):
I mean I would be like that. But they're they're
so strong.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You're in a good mood today.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
No, And they have noy components, right, the material is
so strong, uh huh.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
And and notice the guy with the poop bag. He's
also getting into cleanup. He's not like, hey, scrabs the
toilet paper because then you just leave it behind. He's
bagging it up when it happens in an inopportune location.
There's no way that I can in good conscience.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's why the Chad is going to vote. Oh, Phil,
is the chad voting?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I'm voting for the kid.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I didn't put up an official poll. I can if
we've got like, uh yeah, give a minute, I'm going.

Speaker 8 (55:28):
To bring on personal knife for my personal stash.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Wow, and who Benjamin?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
This new one's yours?

Speaker 8 (55:35):
Sure that's the kid?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, I don't wouldn't it be more special for the
kid to have Steve Ranella's knife though, Oh there you go.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
He could sign it.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
I don't care. I'm just not picking between the two.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I would vote for the kid because he's a kid.
Because he's a kid.

Speaker 8 (55:49):
Yeah yeah, but that's identity politics.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Brody, Brody, who you voting?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I'd vote for the kid because I'm not down on
the other one. You can always dig a hole. And honestly, man,
I don't know how many times that's actually happened to
me with my kids, what.

Speaker 13 (56:06):
Like a total like, oh my god, Brody just makes
me eat a bag of cheese curds. It's we're gonna
fish all day, eat the sack of curd's.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Not like something that's happened to me enough times to.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
Like, well, if I came down, listen, did I come down?

Speaker 6 (56:24):
Here?

Speaker 8 (56:25):
Are we whistling Dixie?

Speaker 6 (56:26):
Or?

Speaker 8 (56:26):
Am I the judge?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
You can be the judge, it's all you.

Speaker 10 (56:30):
I'm gonna send him a private personal knife the kid.
The kid gets the nice, fancy new knife. I'm gonna
send the guy. I'm gonna send him something for my
personal stash.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Uncle, cal what do you think? Who would you pick?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Man? I I like them both a lot. They're super prepared,
and if I had to pick one, I like the
recycling and the packing in packing out stuff too.

Speaker 10 (57:01):
He's not swayed by the kid being a kid. Today's
kids are tomorrow's enemies.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Oh that's what they say.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah, I have a run.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I'd like to shove that kid down when I see like,
why camp because it's easier now when he gets big?

Speaker 8 (57:16):
Why camp?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
The community and forest parenting?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Now?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Granted, I think that, like if everyone had the same
attitude about the poop thing, like adults are bigger culprits
and kids, I think.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
Yeah, bigger poops, like the kid. I love kids, I
mean I got most of them. Yeah, I mean like
most of the time. I like like, I like like,
I like the idea of them, I like mine most
of the time.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Love them.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
He did a great job, presents well all right materials.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
After thirty seconds left of him, I.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Just can't disrespect the dude. So let the kid win.
Let him win. He wins. But I'm sending the guy
a little something from the private stash, and he gets
a book.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Anyway, There's there's a good reason I'm not a dad,
but it's hard for me to fathom pick it up.
A kid's poop out in nature. Oh no, thank you.

Speaker 8 (58:06):
I got a story interesting, not mine.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Listen, after you change a few diapers, I'm not either.
You get poop under your fingernails and it's like a
big deal.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
Do I really only have thirty thirty?

Speaker 6 (58:20):
He was.

Speaker 8 (58:22):
Tell quick story.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
So one time when I was in high school, we
got a job where there's a guy building a loghouse
and he bought there's this old farmer, old man Burns,
and he had a big red pine plantation, and he
bought all these red pines from mister Burns who one
time on his farm. This is a little side story,

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a bullet killed a kid on his farm.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
One time. Wow, yeah, bull killed a kid on his farm.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Like stopped on him.

Speaker 10 (58:51):
So before my time, this is a deep past. He
was a pumpkin farmer. I used to go and help
him load the pumpkins and drive him down because he's
hold him to the local grocery stores. Anyhow, this guy
buys these red pines from him, but he needs him
cut and hauled out and stuck in a field. So

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we signed a little contract with him. He's going to
give us five dollars apiece and use a forward tractor
of his to cut limb move out to where they
can be picked up in a truck, and put them
up on stickers to get them off the ground.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
One hundred.

Speaker 10 (59:29):
Trees five bucks a tree. Well, we get done, and
we had popped a hole as well as Brian filled tires.
We'd hit a stump and put a big hole in
the Brian filled tire. We get all done with the
job and he informs us, hey, we're even. Oh no,
we're even because it costs so much to buy a
new tractor tire.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
How old are you?

Speaker 8 (59:50):
High school? We go home and tell our dad and
that is just not acceptable to our dad.

Speaker 10 (59:58):
Our dad gets him on the phone and say, here's
what's gonna happen with this five hundred dollars. And then
my dad says to us, he's waiting with your five
hundred dollars at the job site. So we go to
the job site and he's got to go his five
hundred bucks. But you know what, the main thing, our
main takeaway was he happened to be there with his grandson,

(01:00:18):
and his grandson had just shad his pants, and as
we show up, he's trying to clean up the grandson.
And we thought at that time, before we had our
own kids, we thought that that was the come uppings.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh you got him, he had a clean up.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
Yeah, like ha ha ha. Right now, I've done that myself.
I don't know how many times.

Speaker 10 (01:00:40):
Oh so you you had something coming to you then,
But I just felt like a punishment worse than losing
five hundred bucks would be to clean up with child's feet.
And then then I had kids, and then we just
eat it now like it that you're just drowning in it.
You're drowning in it, man, not anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You were telling me how great kids are.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
With you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You were just telling me how great kids are.

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
For a while, and you just it's just everywhere, It's
on everything, wiping on your pants.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Oh yeah, nouro virus every other week.

Speaker 8 (01:01:11):
Now, I love that kid though. That was great. Thanks
for having me down.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
With seventy two percent of the vote, Ben, the kid
wins landslide.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
But we had a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
People in the chat basically agreeing with Steve saying that
the poop bags probably a more practical helpful tip, but
the kid kicks ass.

Speaker 8 (01:01:28):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Well as the guy who had to filter through about
a dozen entries for this, well, thank you everybody, but
this was tough.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Next time, we can't. We should mix kids and adults.
We should do kids an adults, kids against each other, yes, yeah, yeah,
Survival of the Fittest, Lord of the Flies, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Then eventually you could see if there's a bracket system
where the kid could out compete.

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
The adult kids, put the kids against each other.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Well on, Ben, Well done, Matt, thanks for sending those in. Steve,
you got time to stick around for the chat.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
Sure, okay, I've having a time of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Oh okay, great, Phil, what questions you got? This is
the end of the show. We'll answer a few questions
and Steve is gonna stay around to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Yeah, if you have any questions for Steve, get him
in there right now. You don't have a lot of time.
I would say, let's see uh Leland our guy once again.
Favorite way to prepare rainbow trout and Steve. If you've
got something, Oh, you know, it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 (01:02:29):
There's a there's a dish called it's in French, will
be blue trout truth all blue, truthdall one where you
you drop them, it's gotta be real fresh and brand new.
It's gotta still have its nice color. And you make
this this heavily vinegard like poaching liquid.

Speaker 8 (01:02:50):
And for whatever reason, I don't understand the chemistry of
it when you when.

Speaker 10 (01:02:54):
You drop that brand new fresh trout and like the
French will do it where they'll drop they'll they'll like
stun the trout and do it. You gotta do it
that fast, and the trout turns blue. I'm not kidding you,
it turns blue electric blue. Okay, if it's like some
old trout has been tied to a string out in
the creek, you know it's not gonna do it. But

(01:03:15):
it's got that one in the smoker ye truth doll
blue is a lot of fun just to just to
watch the thing happen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It's like a traditional like gut them, leave the head
on stuff there, tummy with lemon and herbs, and it
just makes fun, just looks nice. Yeah, cal brody, anything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Down tinfoil packets. I mean, leland of your program, You're
you're running a bunch of volunteers out there. I have
an assembly line with tinfoil.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Packets like yep, lemon, slices of lemon, A lot of butter,
a lot of butter.

Speaker 10 (01:03:48):
My dad used to They used to talk about wrapping
them and leaves and then packing them in mud and
cooking them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 8 (01:03:54):
Yeah, I'd like to try that sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Fill else.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Trey asks, Well, first, he says, I love having bears
on my land, but they're starting to tear feeders down.
What can I do to keep them around but not
have them tear things up?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Remove your feeds?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:04:11):
Is he talking about deer feeders?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
He's talking about trying to feed deer be my guest.

Speaker 10 (01:04:16):
Well, I don't know if you're gonna dissuade him from
that man? No way too, because you ever see that
time they took that dead deer and electrified.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It orizzy bears like.

Speaker 10 (01:04:26):
Fives likedow just like eventually he just gets the deer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, eventually it just gets angry enough to where he's like,
I'm just gonna take it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
He starts unplugging stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I think if you love having them on your land,
you're just gonna have to learn to coexist with them.
If you got deer feeders out, what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Else you got?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Phil uh Mogor asks Steve, when was the last time
you went on a hunt? Uh without cameras?

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
Or last week?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
I think people think that you are constantly being followed
by by cinematographers, But you go, you're you're out there
all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:04:59):
Yeah, mostly I mean out with my kids so a ton,
but generally with my kids. But we just got back
from hunting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
How'd that go? Great?

Speaker 8 (01:05:06):
My boy got his first bear?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
How many more bears died on that hunt?

Speaker 8 (01:05:11):
Our party had three?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
Well yeah, our little group had three, but we weren't
all together. I was there for two of them. I
was present for two when I was three hundred yards.
Everything went well, Oh yeah, a great time bade You.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Guys saw some some bear love making on that trip, didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:05:28):
We killed two boars that I was there for one,
not for the other one. That that we watched the
a boar breed us out for twenty minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
I'm not kidding you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:35):
You think people thick like like I'm saying twenty minutes,
like meaning it was seven, but I'm saying twenty we
watched a boar breed us out twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Did the twenty minutes end when the boar was shot?

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
Or no, I don't know why he walked away and
started feeding?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Okay, and you don't know why he walked away?

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
No, I mean I since I don't know why he
walked away. But they would like like.

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
It was I don't know, I haven't watched enough, Like
the first one they watched, the sow was receptive. In
this case, it was hard to tell like what level
of receptivity there and what level of sort of like
just so there's like a lot of display and a
lot of foreplay well like like fitting, I don't know,
like fitness, Yeah, like you're like testing fitness. You're like

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she's like sussing out the cape whatever. A lot of
like theatrics there were sometimes like our our My initial
instinct was was two borers fighting. Then at a distance
when I couldn't see clear, I was like, maybe it's
just like two you know, a cubs ice fight, Like
maybe that's what's going on.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Then eventually I'm like, oh no, it's like a mating ritual.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Surprised it was that ambiguous that it because they were
through there was they were obscured.

Speaker 8 (01:06:48):
You can just see like a lot of black, like
you know, you know. But but once we got clear,
I mean we were like we were we were sixty yards.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Your comment about like perceived time versus actual time, Yeah,
I ran a little experiment during Turkey season, and because
you're always like, you're like, all this major saga is
playing out, and and how you know, we got to
allocate the right amount of time to this and when
to move, and went out to move. So when I
struck the bird, I hit the timer on my phone

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smart yep. And then and then we have this huge
saga like no calling and not responding and what the
hell is going on? And then eventually the bird calls
and oh my god, he's coming in and and he
skirts us and then lo and behold there's another tom
down there, and oh now he's coming in and and
all these mental gymnastics. The shotgun goes off. I hit

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the stop on the timer thirteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Man, and it felt like way exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
It's so painful.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
You're getting ready to walk somewhere else, go go get
the truck, not somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
They Let's do a couple more before we close this out.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Yeah, sure thing.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Nick says question for Steve, and he plans to do
some upland hunting in the near future. And I would
rephrase that by saying, Steve, what do you have against
upland hunting?

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
Does hunt blue grouse count Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, boy, we can't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
We did some camping this past weekend and those blue
grause were doing their thing. Oh yeah, everywhere, man. But
I was trying to get my boys to sneak up
on them. And that noise is so like you think
you know right where they are. You go there and
then you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
He's over there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Go over there, and you're like he's over there.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
You just feel the noise.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yep, he's struggling with this four wheeler again.

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
Yeah, yeah, we're a When I was with my little
boy Matthew, there we were in a cool spot where
you could hear blues and roughed at the same time.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
Yeah, we had, and I was like, it's like, no,
he's doing that with his wings. Yep, he's doing that
with his mouth.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
Yeah. I like hunt blue grosse a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Let's do one more, Phil, Sure there was a favorite
summer lure for large mouth It's from Bradley.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
We're in Montana. That's a tough on crawl.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, favorite if the if it or top water friendly conditions.
There is nothing more exciting and freshwater fishing than watching
a large mouth, uh just explode on a frog. So
can I give something that's my favorite?

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
I give one from nineteen eighty five. Please.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Back when I was a boy.

Speaker 10 (01:09:29):
When I was a boy, the thing that we most
coveted in life was like you get those pre rigged
be a purple crawler, well the orange spot and the
three hooks, the three hooks on it, and it had
a snelled loot like you know, and you'd see them
in the bait shop for like seventy nine cents.

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
Dude, that was the lure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
That was the lure man we called you must still
make a crawlers, you go. So Bradley favorite again would
be something anything top water. But if you just want
to catch bass, throw a spinner bait or a that's
like fil Like Steve said, all right, that's the end
of this show. Next week, The Meat Eater Movie Club
returns with hundreds of beavers. You can stream it on twov,

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Pluto TV, Amazon Prime, Free V, YouTube TV, and Sling TV.
We'll see you guys back here, same time and place
next week. Thank you.