Ep. 731: Lost Lures and Pheasant Couches | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Ryan Callaghan, and Mark Kenyon discuss Cal and Mark's recent trip to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in addition to some recent outdoor legislation, play a round of 1-Minute Fishing with Bradley Pooler (@FindAndFish), wish they could spin that giant wheel in a game of MeatEater Price Is Right, and find out what article of clothing Cal will share with the class in MeatEater Show-and-Tell.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
That's noon o'clock for our friends in Grand Murray, Minnesota,
on Thursday, July tenth, and we're live for Meet Eater,
HQ and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by
Callen Mark. On today's show, Callen Mark will fill us
in on the latest outdoor legislation. Then we'll be joined
by Bradley Pooler for one minute fishing in Tennessee. After

(00:51):
that we'll play The Price Is Right, and finally we'll
end the episode with some show and tell. Callen Mark
back so fresh from a trip that I can still
smell the Alaska on you two boys doing there.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's good smell. We were in the Arctic National Widlife Refuge.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, tell me more.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Brooks Ranch. We kind of started on the waters that
would be draining to the south of the Brooks Ranch.
And this was super cool because it was like the
start of the convergence of caribou, the porcupine herd caribou.
And then this is a very spoiled kid trip. We

(01:30):
got a lot, We got picked up and dropped off
three different times.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
And when we got there there there was no deliverable.
We just had to go experience it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, But we got picked up and flew on the
same route that these caribou were migrating on. And it
was awesome because you like, in the first valley, the
first creek that we camped on, these caribou would dump
off the top of this super high ridge skylined, so
you'd be like, oh, there they are, and then five
minutes later they'd be down the river valley and then

(02:01):
they would turn north and they were just motoring like
they weren't grazing along for the most part. They were
just following these ancient Cariboo paths. And then we got
picked up, followed those paths in the air through the
Brooks Range and dropped off on the north facing slopes.

(02:23):
And you could tell it was north facing because it
was just the Arctic Ocean to the north of US.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, and taking a step back for folks that aren't familiar,
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is a nineteen point six
million acre wildlife refuge, the largest wildlife refuge. I believe
we have one of the very I think the second
largest piece of public land in our system and quite
possibly the most intact eCos second to what second to

(02:49):
the Western Arctic also knows the National Petroleum Reserve Alaska,
which is just to the west of it, and that's
twenty three million acres I think. But this is I
think arguably the most most intact ecosystem we have left
in the United States.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
It is, which makes it probably one of the most
intact ecosystems left in the.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
World, in the world stunning diverse area. Ause he mentioned
where we started out on the south slope of the
Brooks Range, which is the northern more excuse me, northernmost
extension of the Rocky Mountains. Southern side of that is
where we were, and the boreal forest kind of butts
up into that, and then you go up into the
Brooks Range, you go over to the other side and

(03:27):
then becomes this tundra ecosystem, and as cal said, you
enter this coastal plain which stretches to the Arctic Ocean.
So we had epic mountain vistas and river bottoms, and
then the second half of the trip we had this
immense grassland like the whole time we were there, especially
that second half of the trip. When you look over
this millions of acres grassland that is undeveloped, untouched all

(03:51):
the way to the Arctic Ocean, knowing that in a
few weeks there would be maybe two hundred thousand caribou
out there. It was a moment in which I thought
to myself, this is a little bit like what Lewis
and Clark experienced, you know, two hundred years ago or
whatever it was. I've always wondered that when you go
across the grasslands today in North Dakota or eastern Montana,
I always thought, what was this like? It would have

(04:13):
been so amazing to see this vast, undeveloped grassland and
all these creatures. And we got to sit on a
mountain and look over a grassland like that, a tundra
ecosystem like that now and see four We thought we
could probably see sixty to one hundred miles in several
directions with nothing easy.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, to add some perspective, thirty thousand square miles. That's
the size of South Carolina that you guys are talking about.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, which is way cooler because there's very few people.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
And there's a reason this is more relevant now than
maybe in the past, what were you guys doing.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
There, Well, we were there to be able to experience
it and be able to bring back what we saw
and and experience and share that with the world because
this is a place that has been hotly debated for
a long time. It was first created in nineteen sixty
as about a nine million acre refuge. In nineteen eighty
it was expanded to the current nearly twenty million acres,

(05:08):
and at that time, because of all the political horse
trading that goes on, there was a one point five
million acre section of the reserve, the refuge that was
not protected as wilderness and instead designated for future study
to either be designated as wilderness or to be opened
up to development. That one point five million acres is

(05:29):
this coastal plane area that me and kel were just
talking about. That is where these caribou going calve. This
is where migratory birds from all fifty states go. This
is where the largest land based polar bear denning sites,
the most polar bear denning sites are in Alaska. Y's
here as well. That's this place that ever since nineteen
eighty has been very hotly debated about opening up to

(05:52):
oil and gas development and.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
A place any American could go hunt, fish.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Caribou hunt, yeah, hole nine yards all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean the reason that it's so pristine, right is
because it's remote. It's a it's tough to get to.
It's expensive to get to. But that's the only limitation
that that people would have, is like it is just
time and expense to get up there. So we we were.
I left Missoula, Montana, at like seven thirty at night,

(06:20):
and I was standing on the ground in the refuge
at our first camp at like one thirty in the
afternoon the following day. So it's not that hard to
get to.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's not impossible to get to.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's you know, it kind of
gets referred to as like the Serengetti because it has
this giant convergence of biomass. Three hundred and fifty different
species of migratory birds show up there, which makes it
like this birding hot spot. And oddly enough, that's that's

(06:56):
a huge part of the the eco tourism business up
there is because if if people want to check off
certain species that they're they're cataloging and their burning apps
and whatnot, like they kind of have to go there
at some point, so that's a huge draw. But then
that porcupine caribou heard their migration. If you take like

(07:19):
the furthest extent, right, it's what is it twenty five
hundred miles one way.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, twenty Well I think it's a total of twenty
seven hundred miles that they okay throughout.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
The Yeah, yeah, so yeah, between like twelve and fifteen
hundred miles one way. And you know, we're talking like
hundreds of thousands of animals, which is pretty wild. And
so what we got to see was like this early
convergence of like pairs up to I think the biggest

(07:49):
group we saw was like nineteen animals kind of converge
in our little valley and head off north. And then
when we were flying over the Arctic plane was really
interesting is there were like solo animals or pairs just
laying out there in the Muskeg, you know, within pretty
tight proximity to the ocean and trying to imagine and

(08:14):
we just got a photo sent to us, but trying
to imagine that place filling up, which is how they
describe it. That's like happening right now. And our pilot
with Coyote air. He was talking about like flying over
this thing and seeing thousands of caribou out in the
Arctic Ocean that have actually like waded out just to

(08:38):
get away from the bugs, like cool down in the
summer heat and let the Arctic breeze blow the black
flies and the Skeeter's away, which would be pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I mean, I think, in short, it was the wildest,
most spectacular place I've ever seen. Me and kel were
talking about where there is there anywhere else we've seen
that can really compare compare to this as far as
the scale and the remoteness and the wildness and the
intact nature of it. And We've been in some pretty
cool places, but nothing that I've seen and experience can

(09:13):
can touch that.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
And pretty much anybody that you talk to that has
spent time in the Brooks Range have they're highly impacted
by it. Like I mean, it's just it's for me,
it was like fairly emotional because it was just so
I've never been up there ever, and every turn of
a valley just gets bigger and bigger, often ending in

(09:35):
these permanent ice fields or glaciers, and it's pretty dang
hiker friendly. Like there's fresh water everywhere, really good water,
and I was just like, oh my god, I don't
have enough time to check this place out. And every
part of my brain is like, you got to you
gotta spend time here and check it out. And it's

(09:57):
just like almost pointless, right because it's so big. But
the reason for that, you know, folks want to be
talking about this right now and talking about preserving it
is because in the trip will be the big, big,
beautiful bill. There's mandatory leases, lease sales that would occur

(10:19):
in both the Western Arctic and that National Petroleum Reserve
Alaska and PRA and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in
this ten O two area.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, so to date, you know, it's been debated,
never was opened up to drilling ever before. So for
decades and decades and decades has been in the undeveloped states.
And now in twenty seventeen, a similar reconciliation bill passed
in which they tacked on a mandatory opening of the
what's called the ten O two that happened in twenty

(10:52):
seventeen on the last kind of big debate like this,
there were mandated lease sales that happened those got sold
and then some got canceled during the Biden administration, so
no development's happened yet. But now the new bill just
passed does force four lease sales of four hundred thousand
acres each on the plane, and so, you know, Cal
talked about getting emotional kind of flying over and seeing

(11:14):
this place, and the scale For me, the moment was
when I first saw the coastal plane. I hiked up
all by myself as a kind of we got to
do whatever we wanted. So one day I took off solo,
took off to this small hill that was on the
edge of the plane. I walked up there myself and
got to the peak and looked out over this grasslands
we talked about, so could see all the way to
the Arctic Ocean, and for the first time in my life,
I looked over this incredible wild place that was as

(11:36):
wild and remote and as untouched as anything I've ever seen.
And then I had to look at it knowing that
if my kids ever got back here, it's very likely
that it would not be the same, because in a
matter of years, if all this goes through the way
that the bill as it will, it could be dramatically different.
And that's the first time I've ever been so starkly
faced with a definitive change to a place like that,

(12:01):
that you know, like this could totally change the experience,
the ecosystem everything. Yeah, that was startling.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's kind of an interesting thing, right because these are
just leases, it's not mandated development. The previous leases that
were sold were actually eventually turned back in because those
companies couldn't really figure out how to do anything out
there economically. There's also, through the exploration that's already been

(12:32):
done there, there's a huge disagreement on what's actually under
the ground there, like how much oil and gas up
there that that would be beneficial worthwhile to get right.
So it's a situation where the companies that build the infrastructure,

(12:54):
they're going to make money hand over fist, but the
benefit to our natural resources pool. The idea that like
your pump price is going to go down dramatically is
like it's just not correct, right, Like, the reason that
this stuff's been done in the past is because it

(13:16):
was government subsidized. And without a big government subsidy to
go up there and get this done, it's likely not
going to happen because it's so cost prohibitive to operate
up there. But there's all sorts of other conversations that
are going on, and it's like, could you incentivize other

(13:37):
countries to go up there and develop this by reducing
their tariffs? Which is a conversation that we're hearing. And
then the conversation comes back to like, Okay, so is
it worth it for the American people to incentivize a
foreign extractive industry on American soil in this extremely sensitive
area that's one of the last readouts refuges for all

(14:00):
these different species for what like what is the game?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So there could be like this short term bump in
gross domestic product because there's a lot more dollars flying
around in that area, but at the same time, a
huge amount of those dollars are going to be directly
exported overseas and not stay in America.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And how specific or vague is the language in the
One Big Beautiful Bill that addresses leases on minerals in
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I mean, as I understand it, the specificity ends at
there's four mandatory lease sales within ten years. There are
four hundred thousand acres each, and you know as far
as details, that's as far as I've seen spelled out
how exactly that happens. I know that there was some

(14:54):
language early in the drafts that would either remove or
expediate and a kind of review or legislation review opportunities.
And had that got pulled out, I think, yeah, they
cut the red tape. They were going to cut that.
Now that's back in a little bit. But are there
any other details on that front? As you think? There's
one other thing on the Western Arctic side, it's five

(15:15):
mandated least sales within ten years and those are four
million acres each.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
And those Western Arctic sales are a lot closer to
existing infrastructure, So like the whole prude O Bay Dalton Highway,
that is a much more logistically doable jumping off point
for those lisaes. And then of course, like our Western

(15:40):
Arctic caribou herd is basically in the dumps as far
as overall population goes. I mean, it's been halved and
havelved again. And then you know that also is a
huge waterfowl production area.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So the bill signed into law on the fourth of July.
What else should be an outdoorsman's radar about the bill.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Oh well, I mean there's a lot of dumpster fires
in there.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Pick a few to tell us about.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I think for our our sporting community folks, what got
pulled out.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Boundary waters got pulled out, but it's still worth talking
about because it public lands got pulled out. But Arctic
Refuge may stayed in Western Arctics, stayed in some of
the like the possible funding stuff with l w c
F I think is buried in there a little bit,
But I don't know that as well as maybe you do.

(16:50):
The two big ones. I want to talk about our
things that got pulled out but are still.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Finding different avenue right so through agency versus legislation.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So I'll jump in on one of those things. So
early on, when we everyone was talking about what was
in this bill and fighting the public land sales and
all these different things, there was the issue of the
Bounder Waters being reopened to Mining's been decades long battle,
more than ten years now, in which there was a
foreign owned mine that was proposed to be right in

(17:22):
the edge of the Bounder Waters. Back and forth. The
hunting and fishing and outdoor community has pushed back against
it strongly over recent years and a couple of years
ago kind of won a battle on that front with
a mineral withdrawal, a twenty year mineral withdrawal, which basically
meant that you you know, on the edges of the
bounder of waters Wilderness Canoe area, you could not have
a mine like this. That would be you know, seriously

(17:44):
threatening that water based ecosystem with pollution, which was the
big worry with these mines there on the edge. So
there was a twenty year pause basically put in place
in one of the original drafts of the One Big
Beautiful Bill. It was going to remove that mineral withdrawal,
which was allow the minds to move forward and mandate
kind of fast tracking of those permits and get that

(18:05):
going again. It got pulled out of the bill. But
then so it got pulled out the bill. I saw
that news, A lot of people saw that news. Everyone celebrate.
The very next day, the Secretary of Agriculture mentioned on
Twitter x I guess these days that they would be
taking administrative action to roll back that mineral withdrawal themselves.

(18:27):
So that is not outside of that social media post
about it. It hasn't come up yet in the actual
public register, but it looks like that's going to happen.
I think that's a pretty big deal for hunters and
anglers and the other thing.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
And it's not just the one Chilean mine that has
the proposal for the open pit copper sulfide mind which
for you Montana kids or visitors to Montana, but America
is a good example of that. There's a lot, there's

(18:59):
a their active mind sights within the same area. But
this Chilean one, you know, the company doesn't have a
great track record of being environmentally friendly or good on
doing their own cleanups, and that type of extraction is

(19:23):
just known more for its mistakes than for going well well.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
As I understand it, there's not been a single mine
of this type that has been developed without significant pollution issues.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Which makes sense. Like you're especially in this area, it's
like highly porous. There's water everywhere. You know, you basically
kick the ground and you can find water. So the
idea of bringing up all this heavy metal and the
other pollutants used to refine those heavy metals on site

(19:57):
and get them out of there. It it's it's way
harder to stretch your brain to see how they can
do it safely than the other way around. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I spent a little bit of time there a few
weeks ago on my way to Aisle Royale. That was
my first time in the Boundary Waters for that part
of the country, and it was so cool and so
special that I was I was sad that it took
me until US thirty three to go explore it. That's
how cool. The Boundary Waters are so place worth protecting.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, and it's the opposite of the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge from an access perspective. Sure, it's the most accessible,
vast wilderness like that for many people, it's the most
most visited. It's the most visited wilderness area in the
United States.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And despite it being the most visited, you'll still have
any experience you want. You feel like you're the only
one there.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, it's it's remote, it's vast, it's gorgeous. I had
an incredible canoe and deer hunt there a handful of
years ago. I mean, it's loaded with grouse, tons of
fishing opportunities. The deer hunt's tough, but you're not going
to have a more scenic and enjoyable experience in that
So it's a sportsman's paradise. Yeah, it shit aim to
see that, you know, defouled in some way.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
The other thing you want to talk about mark was
the Roadless Rule.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I think that's just something to get on people's radar.
Speaking of kind of rule rollbacks, it was announced to
two weeks ago or something like that that the Forest
Service will be rolling back something called the Roadless Rule,
which was something put in place like twenty four years ago,
I believe two thousand and one, I guess, so, yeah,

(21:29):
about twenty one years ago or twenty four years ago.
The Roadless Rule protects fifty eight point five million acres
of our national forest from future road building. So back
in the late nineties it became a we've came aware that,
oh my gosh, there's more roads in the National Forest
Service than anywhere else. There's twice there's twice as many
miles of roads in the US Forest Service lands than

(21:52):
there are across the rest of the nation. Is the number.
I read recently something like four hundred thousand miles or
something like that. Lots of road And they realized, I
read another quote was that we had cut the face
off our national forest and had punched roads into every
last dunking cranny except for these last kind of refuges,
and Elder Leopold and Bob Marshall and folks like this

(22:12):
in the thirties and forties, even back then we're saying, hey,
we got to be careful, we're not leaving many of
these places left. And so, of course there was the
wilderness designation that happened, and that was amazing. But then
in the nineties we realized, okay, we've got a last
few sections here that we could keep in a not
quite wilderness state, but at least not punched in with roads.
We're going to protect those with this roadless rule. There's

(22:33):
still some like fire management that happens in those places.
There's still some development that can happen in these places,
but with this layer of roadless protection, which now I
think you know you know this better than me, ka
Il living out here. But I think most of the
best elk hunting spots, mule deer hunting spots, places that
you know, people want to get away from people, hunters
want to find a backcountry place. It's often these roadless

(22:55):
area protected parts of national forests that now, if this
moves forward, would be opened a new road, building and
many other things.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
And This one's kind of more so spoken in terms
of timber harvest and what like wildfire management is the
stated need to roll back the roadless rule, which is
really interesting because on its face, if you rolled that back,
all these areas would default to their previous management plan,

(23:28):
and the vast majority of these roadless areas their previous
management plan didn't include timber harvest. So there would have
to be a new management plan brought up. And if
you're like really kicking ass, you can probably do that.
Let's say the fastest I don't even believe eighteen months,

(23:53):
but let's just say it. That's a whole eighteen months
to two years of writing up that forestry management plan
and then and then putting that into effect. The scariest
part to me is this includes the mineral right. So

(24:15):
it's not just access to timber, which is what gets
talked about all the time, but there it's access to
those mineral deposits that exist in these areas too. Some
of the things that we talk about as restrictions to
logging right is when we started the setback regulations, right,

(24:38):
so you can't cut timber this close to a stream,
it's got to be set back x amount.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You can't harvest your Christmas tree within like I don't know,
what is it, sixty six feet of a stream or
something like that in Montana.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
So that's a setback, that's right there. Yeah, Yeah, good regulation.
So and then and there's a lot of these areas
that have some previous old roads and have already already
been harvested for timber as well. I think there's some

(25:13):
some give and take with this one. But the reality is, like,
we have so few of these areas left that don't
have this previous development in them. It would be real,
real sad to see them go that way.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what a lot of this,
this whole conversation comes down to, is like, we absolutely
need resources. We need to utilize natural resources. Our public
lands are multiple use public lands are tremendous places for
that to happen when it's done carefully and appropriately. But
at the same time, there are hundreds of millions of
acres of our public land open to resource extraction and done.

(25:51):
So the last handful of places that we have that aren't,
the few places that are still either roadless or in
a intact place, are just as rare and precious of
a resources, gold, oil, or any kind of resource out there.
And I think that there's a whole lot of momentum
across the entire world of civilization pushing us to develop, develop, develop,

(26:13):
develop that's going to happen. There's only a handful of
communities of people who care about maybe preserving some of
these last few spots. So those of us who do
care about wildlife or wild places, it's kind of incumbent
on us to try to tap the brakes on some
of this stuff where we still have that chance, because
we're not ever going to get it back.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, And I mean roads, just like a trail, does
roads bring people? I mean that's you know, a lot
of the timber harvest that was done in the seventies
was heavily government subsidized sixties and seventies because it was
the government that was paying for the roads. And the

(26:52):
idea right was like, oh, yeah, it's going to be
a better recreation corridors for people to get into these areas,
which which is absolutely true true, but that's what made
that timber marketable at that time. So I'm still real
confused as to how some of these things are going
to actually work with you know, like Doze was all

(27:16):
everybody could talk about only a few short weeks ago, right,
and that's about like rolling back the amount of government expense.
At the same time, a lot of these big projects
only happened because the government was paying for them to happen,
at least in some.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Part or portion.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
The funny thing speaking of that, all this talk about
how we need to increase revenues from our public lands
because of the budget issues and deficit issues and all that,
while folks are making that claim to justify opening these
places up to development. Also in that bill they have
reduced the royalties on oiled really on extraction. So the

(28:00):
folks who are going to take these resources off our
public lands are paying the taxpayers in the nation less
for that resource. That's not helping the whole budget causes.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
It Sure, all things worth considering. If you're listening to
the show, those are your public lands on they're precious.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Nobody ever brings up revising the mining Act.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Man, there's an easy win.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Nobody ever brings up.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
All right, we got a few plugs to do before
we get on with the rest of the show. Marcus,
there's a collab among some of our partners that I
know you specifically are very excited about. Tell us about that.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, well, you've already had a list of me jaw
for a while. But I'll keep this one quick. Our
pals at Moultrie and on Ex are working together now,
which is pretty fun. Very simply put, you can now
connect your Moultrie Trail cameras to your Onyx Hunt app,
so they work together so that when you go into
your Moultary app and you log in with your Onx account,

(28:55):
when I head out there and I go set up
a new moultr camera like I did a month or
so ago before I took off for Idaho, it will
automatically drop a pin on my map showing where my
camera is, which is pretty nice, so I can always
see it, and then I can actually click on that
pin and see the photos pulled in from my multi
cameras in the same place. Very convenient, So very convenient.
Some really cool different ways you can use that, and

(29:15):
you can dive into the details a little bit more.
But if you use Moultree cameras and if you use
the Onyx Hunt app, this is a great way to
get the best of both worlds in one place and
keep your trail camera data and your hunt plan data
a little bit more easily accessible on top of mind.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
And it's just getting harder and harder to lose a
trail camera. The amount of trail cameras I come across
in the woods that have clearly been there for a
decade and not visited, you know, for about that same
amount of time. It happens too often.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
If only there was an app that would show me
where I lost the cheese to the lock that attached
my camera to the tree. Yeah, I need that one.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Whitetail guy problems, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, one more plug. The new hats they are in
the store July twelfth, two days from now. Marcus has
one right now, wired to hard words. I've got a
bison hat. I'm pretty thrilled about these, and they're gonna
be available stored at them meadeater dot com in two days.
All right, We have now served our audience a big

(30:14):
heaping plate of vegetables. When I think about content, I
think about the content is vegetables, meat or candy. We've
just given you a big old helping of vegetables, which
is good. You need to eat your vegetables the rest
of the show. Though, we got meat and candy coming
at you. You guys, go to that, Okay. Our next
segment is one Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
We'll do you punk, Go ahead make my cast.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
One Minute Fishing is brought to you by onex fish.
To find your new favorite place to fish, go to
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have one minute to catch fish and if they're successful,
we'll make a five hundred dollars donation. Do it conservation Group.
This week, our wrangler is Bradley Pooler aka find in

(31:05):
Fish on Instagram. He's on a creek in northern Tennessee
and fishing for a donation to the Cumberland River Compact. Bradley,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
How hey, folks, I'm so stoked to be here. Thanks
for having me, guys.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Thanks for being here. Bradley, you run one of my
favorite accounts on Instagram. You make some of the most
unique fishing content on the internet. Tell folks what find
in Fish is, man.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
That's that's super kind of you. Thank you. It's a
pretty simple concept. Basically, when you're out fishing, and you
see a snag lure, then you just try to retrieve
it and then fish it like right there where you
found it on that body of water. It's just like
a super fun way. It's a like try different different

(31:50):
lures and challenge yourself, you know, in ways that you
wouldn't normally.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So, yeah, how did this lure recycling endeavor of your start?

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well? Man, I grew up fishing as a little kid,
but kind of phased out of it when I was older,
and I picked it back up in twenty twenty when
the pandemic started, as you know, so many people did then.
And so while I was out, you know, visiting all
these new places trying to relearn how to fish, I
just couldn't help. But notice like every single place had
a lowre hanging out of a tree or that somebody

(32:21):
had like dropped on the bank or something. And it
just became like this big scavenger hunt treasure.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Okay, how many how many lures do you think you
found it?

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Now?

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I got crazier and crazier started with just my oh
probably I think like three hundred and sixty over the
three to four years that I have been doing it.
And that's like before the posting, you know, or after
the posting. Sorry. So I've found a lot in those
first years.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And what's the biggest snag of lures you've come across, man?

Speaker 5 (32:55):
I I think probably it was in North Alabama visiting
my in laws. We found like big old rats nest
a line up in a tree. Pulled the pole out,
tried to pull on it, and you could just see
all the trees. I don't remember how many lures I
got out of that, but it was like it was
a sizeable wad of line that we pulled out of
the tree.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And what's the most common lures you find in the
most commonplaces you find them?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
It really varies. There's a lot. I found a good
spread of lures, but a lot of rooster tails and like,
you know, inline spinners, especially like where they're trout, you know,
stocking trout, and uh, you know jigs, like any kind
of jigs, curly tails, Bobby Garlands, that sort of thing.
And then I've kind of found a little slew of
wopper ploppers lately, which is just kind of a weird fluke,

(33:43):
but I'm not mad about it.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Are there any lures that get you really excited when
you come across them.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, the wopper ploppers. Honestly, I just I get giddy
every time I find it. They're like nine plus dollars,
you know, and they're super fun to fish, super fast,
and the hits are amazing. Of course.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Okay on the water today, have you found any lures
yet this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
No, No, I haven't.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
This is one of my favorite spots to fish, and
I've picked it pretty clean. Lures don't last very long here.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Good. That's good for today's one minute fishing. Tell us
about where you're at, what you're fishing for, and how
you're doing it.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah, So I'm going to creak that feeds the Cumberland
And basically this is a pretty wide spot right here,
super shallow in the center, but it's deeper on the
side here with a little bit of shade cover. And
then I've got a little bit deeper spot over here
with some weed cover. So hoping that I can just
kind of, you know, cover around as fast as I can,
I kind of changed up my tactic a little bit.

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I was gonna use a little Bobby Garland jig that
I found here a couple of weeks ago, but when
I tied myself. It was just too slow. I couldn't
get it up retries. So I've switched over to just
a little black, little black rooster tail and hopefully that's
going to give me maximum casts, you know, around here
and cover as much water as I can.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, is that a rooster tail that you found?

Speaker 5 (35:07):
It is not here. I don't think it came out
of a big box of tangled doors that I've pulled
off of tree. But yeah, I did find this one,
and I've got to back up one over here on
different rod if I need it.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So all right, Bradley, you're one minute of fishing starts
when you make that first castle.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
All right. Bradley's lines in the water had a very
audible cast. That's that's kind of him for our podcast
audience to make that so loud. He's already on a
second cast ten seconds in.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I like the retrieve. Is it gonna switch it up?

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Though?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I'm wondering if he's gonna stick with a consistent retrieve
on every one of the cast or do something different.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think if he's gonna switch it up, he's just
going to cast to the other side of the canoe. Oh,
there's little twitch.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Keep going, keep going.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Thirty seconds left.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
What was it, Bradley?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Let him focus, Let him focus, Get another one?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
He looks panics now fifteen seconds left. Oh wow, see
if he can recover? Can he do it ten seconds ago?
Brad Wow?

Speaker 6 (36:25):
Alright, final cast twitch and twitch twitch. Oh did not
happen today? That is your one minute? Tell us what
happened there on that fish?

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Oh? Brother, he got uh. He swung over the boat
and then as he swung back, he just flapped his
tail and he was gone.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It was a small bot of the water.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
It was not It was a like kind of small
blue gill.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Like I was thinking, maybe that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Oh man, Sorry, guys, that that was exciting. Almost happened.
We'll have you back on the show, Bradley to do.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
I would love to. When you started this segment, man,
I was like that that is a segment I would
love to do someday. So thanks so much for having
you guys.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Oh you did great.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Thanks for joining us, Thanks for making great content. Thanks
for cleaning up after your fellow anglers.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Oh, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
The tag is fine dot and dot phish on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Ah there you go, Gotts check it out.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Watt, Thanks you guys. We'll see you later.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a
break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
I have to say, chat's doing great today. Sometimes we're
a little light up questions, but we've got a got
a surplus right now. Let's see here. Christopher asked Cal
what is some good advice for getting ahead of hunting
bands Washington is now going after regulating coyote hunting with
no science. He corrected himself in a different comment.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, it's a great question, you know. I think the
boiler played answer is your means to being proactive is
securing the right to hunt and fish in your state. However,
it's it's always consistent education. I feel like things are

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changing now and the state of Washington, if you're a
hunter or an angler, even in that state, you need
to be engaged because nothing is a given. So being
in the room and being consistent is always the best
way to stay ahead of this stuff, which means you

(38:33):
don't get activated only when times are bad and the
fire is on your doorstep. You got to make make
sure that you're aware and you can do that by
you know, being signed on with a bunch of different
conservation groups in their newsletters so you're aware of what's happening,
and then figuring out how to make the time to
show up for the comment periods in person, writing, et cetera.

(38:58):
So it's it's a job.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Nathan asks, does Mark have a white tailed deer season update?
What is he doing to prepare for the season this
time of year?

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, so the update would be, Uh, I'm on my
homestead of Michigan. Of course, it's going to be a
different year there, because for most of the last decade
plus more than that now, I've usually had a deer
or two every year coming into the new season that
I've known from previous years. So I'm like, I'm going
after this year that year, I'm excited to see this dear.

(39:30):
Every dear I was interested in last year disappeared.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
What do you think happened?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Using the wrong bait.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
No bait, no bait kill? So maybe that is the
wrong bait no bait, but it is legal where I live,
so it is the right choice. I don't know, you
know more, I have a thousand theories to want to
show up though it's not too late for for certain
something will show up. But the question is will a
deer that I have in a history with show up
again after being gone for you know, twelve months. I

(39:58):
don't know. So all that's to be is that I'm
actually kind of excited about it because it's gonna be
a little bit different. It's gonna be fresh slate, gonna
be a bunch of mystery and going back to just
having fun out there, not worrying about what dear him
after just sitting out there in the woods, and maybe
spend some more time, get the boys out there with
me more and enjoy it in different ways.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Give me some names though, of the deer who you
hope might show up.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Oh, like, if they were to show back up from
last year. Oh geez, there was a deer. We call
it my son. My kids named the deer that I
that we see now. So my son named this one Bulldozer.
And we found his match set last spring at the
time he was four found one of these antlers. So like,
very cool that my four year old found this antler
and he's super excited to see this deer. And we

(40:41):
were really hopeful he'd be around last year, and he
was around a couple of times, but disappeared in early November.
So if he showed back up, he'd be probably a
six and a half year old buck, which would be
a very very old buck for our heir, So that'd
be really cool.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It's gonna be any peak or like just starting to
get beyond it.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, he's one of those deer that isn't gonna, you know,
raise a whole bunch of eyebrows when it comes to antlers.
But he was a massive bodied deer, like very cool,
blind in one eye. I thought that was very very cool.
I'd seen him since he was a three year old,
so I watched him as a three, four and five years.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Was he blind as a three year old?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
It was his I think it was late in his
third year. It was like December when I noticed like, oh,
something happened to that buck. And then the whole fourth
year and then fifth year you could see that very
obviously injured eye. So he would be the one to
be really excited to see. I do know that that's.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Hard because if you know he's coming in on one side,
it'd be better to have your tree stand on the
left hand side, the dead eye side. But He's only
going to turn to the right.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
The biggest I do that I ever hunted one that
I like, got to like form a relationship with where
I knew he existed for a number of years. He
was blind to one eye, and it didn't give me
the advantage I needed to kill him. So it's not
a death sentence, No, no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
But but yeah, so I'd love for him to show
back up. And then I also drew in Iowa tag
this year, so I'm very excited to go to Iowa.
It's been a handful of years to.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
South North.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Iowa.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Okay, Iowa. That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
What else we got, Phil, We have a Janis asking
is Mark Kenyan ready to pace Janis in two weeks
at the Crazy Mountain one hundred?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yes, Janis Janus.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
That's very exciting though, guys, I am gonna be pacing
Jannis for the final stretch of his hundred mile runs.
So my segment's just like eight, I think. But I'll
be with him for the final eight, the last eight
miles of his hundred mile race. I will be there
to drag his dead body across the finish line, and
very honored honored to be able to be a part
of that with him.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
That's probably the most important position in one hundred mile er.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I would imagine he told me that he thought I'd
be a good pacer because I'm the kind of guy
who would research how to be a good pacer.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
That sounds on brand.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Give us a few more Phil Yeah, sure, Kyle says
caw will be proud that his call for public action
prompted me to contact both my senators on this subject.
On that topic, how many calls or signatures signatures would
it take for him to host a round of trivia?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I don't think Spencer would ever trust me with that,
so that's more of a Spencer question.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Kyle asking to host trivia, Oh.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
No, no, I think he wants.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Cal has an open invite. Cal if you ever want
to host trivia, you come and host trivia.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
That genuinely surprises me.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Spencer, Oh no, I'd happen happy to have other folks
in this chair. Same goes for Mark. I think Mark
would actually take me up on that.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Okay, it happened, Kyle, though, thank you very much for
for calling your elected officials. The reality is, is anybody
in this room can scream at the top of our
lungs as loud as we can and as long as
we can, and unless other people join in, we're just
not going to be effective. Like it is the definition

(43:54):
of a team effort, and we can't do it without you.
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
So silver lining of the whole public land sale issue
that we've experienced over the last couple of months is
that I think a whole lot of people finally did this,
finally picked up the phone and gave folks a call.
I can think of so many people I've talked to
personally who were like, Hey, I finally did it. It
wasn't that bad. I think people realize that it's not
as hard as you think. It's not intimidating, you don't

(44:20):
need to be an expert, you don't have to debate
anyone on the other side of the line, and it
can make a difference. We saw that by picking up
the phone and all of us from all you know,
from all stripes of life, we all came together and
made these phone calls and sent these emails, and it
did make a difference. And so I think hopefully to
your point earlier with you know, whether it be rights
to hunt and predator hunting, all these different things. We're

(44:41):
gonna need to keep doing that, and I think more
people are confident and comfortable doing that moving forward.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, And in the couple days leading up to it
finally getting pulled from the bill, there were two things
that encourage me that like the tides were turning on this.
One was that on Twitter, which is where I get
my sports news, that people were tweeting about this for
the first time in my lifetime. It like Twitter became
a platform where it wasn't hunters and anglers either, who

(45:08):
like cared about this thing and who were talking about
it and it was like trending on Twitter for a
few days. Mike Lee was the other thing that was
very encouraging was Mike Lee that Giant Douchebag had tweeted
out that he he wondered aloud, who was funding all
of this, Who was who was organizing this amount of feedback?

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I know who's paying me to try to get this stuff?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
It was.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
It was so overwhelming from the people listening to this
show and beyond that that he made the assumption that
there was some books shadow. Yes, right, So that's that's
how powerful your voices were on this message. Let's do
one more, Phil.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Okay, let's see here, Phil from Logan, I need to
know who's your favorite character and Lord of the Rings.
First person that popped into my head was that fool
of a took Pippin Pip and took Udal. Oh well,
I mean, you know that's what I said. Though I
know that's too obvious, but I was. I'm referring to Peregrine.
His ark and Return of the King is my favorite.

(46:10):
And when Billy Boyd sings Stewart have Gone or It,
it moves me, It stirs my bones.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I'm gonna need some sort of a mashup of this,
Phil to understand what you just said.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
In your spare time, I'll get to work on that.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Our next segment is The Price is right.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Here. It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's most Exciting
ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's the Prices right Yes, Mary, come.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
On down, Callahan, come on down. Your next two contestants
on media Radios The Prices right now. Here's your host,
Spencer new Home.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Thank you. Well, this is the candy that I was
referring to earlier in the episode that we'd get to
Now this game is really simple. What do you got cals?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I said. If you don't sign off by saying remember
to get your dogs and cats neutered, I'm gonna beat.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I have it in my script.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Thank god, thank god.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
This game is really simple. Phil is going to tell
you about a product from the Meat Eater universe, and
you need to guess its price. The player with the
closest answer without going over, will be declared the winner.
If both players go over, then you'll both be told
to try again, and the chat should play along as well,
because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout
out from Phil. All right, this week all three products

(47:35):
are from Facebook marketplace. Phil tell us about the first
item up forbid.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah, we will do, and we're doing it slightly different,
so so forgive me here. Let's see here. Let's start
today's bidding with some utility metal trays in Belgrade, Montana.
There's eighth of an sheets of aluminum were originally fabricated
as cadaver trays during COVID, but the seller says be

(48:00):
useful to any hunter as a butchering station or for
gear storage in the back of your truck. No more
allowing blood to freely flow across your kitchen table and
no more awkwardly crawling across the bed of your pickup
to reach that lantern. He also says they were great
great for hydroponic gardening or as shelves in your garage.
This has us here in the studio wondering what cant
a cadaver or trade do?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
That's right, Phil, this is surely a listing that'll knock
him dead. All right, calin Mark, what is the price
for one of those trays off of Facebook market? It's
just one trade, that's what he had the price. We're
just looking for one tray. If you want, he said
in his listing, you could get a good deal by

(48:42):
buying that whole dang set up there, buying multiple trays
at a time. But we're just spying one tray. And
these are six and a half feet long, two and
a half feet wide, and they're built with quote marine
edge that has full fluid retention.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I mean that's an expensive deal. Welded aluminum.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Uh huh, these were designed to be cadaver trays.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But this this guy is sure that any outdoorsman could
use one of these, Cal, what would you do with
one of them? Trays.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Oh, I think that'd be a killer thing to just
haul out and put on the kitchen counter when you're
butcher and stuff. Sure, easy to clean, Hit it with
a little little blee och and you're good to go. Yeah,
I mean i'd take a cadaver tray.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Belgrade, Montana. That's uh, that's realistic.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Actually, yeah, boy, that's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
How you boys doing? Do you have an answer? Again?
This is just for one tray we're pricing six and
a half feet long, two and a half feet wide,
made of aluminum. And you can see in one of
the details of his photos he shows you his welding ability.
How's that weld look to you?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Cal Oh, it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
He's a good welder.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
But that has nothing to do with what we're purchasing
to no.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
No, But it gives you some confidence in the cellar
that this man takes a lot of pride in his
cadaver trade work. Yeah, all right, you boys have an answer? Yeah,
I guess, So go ahead and reveal your answers. We
have Mark Kenyon saying thirty five dollars, Brian Callahan saying
one hundred and thirty dollars.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Oh, I won that I'm way low.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
The correct answer is one hundred and fifty dollars, giving
Ryan Callahan the first point. He was twenty dollars off.
This seller says he'll cut you a deal if you
buy four or more Phil. How'd the chat do?

Speaker 4 (50:26):
We had a couple of people get it right on
the money. We had Brendan say one to fifty, Yang
bren Eathan also saying one fifty.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Well done. Brendan and Nathan Mark.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Some stainless deal trays before Cal.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I mean, you just know the material that's expensive. I
mean that's expensive, six and.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
A half feet of aluminum.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah, I supposed to be half.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I'll let you know, Mark. I don't think Cal's ever
lost this game. So really, you're coming in up against
our toughest opponent.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And this is intimidating. I mean, just so people don't
understand the context of my buying habits, I'm wearing a
five year old free T shirt right now, like, not
out there hitting the marketplace.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I spent a lot of time on Facebook Marketplace get well.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I do feel that, given what you just said there,
you might be the kind of person who buys their
clothes and stuff on Facebook Marketplace.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Oh, Goodwill.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's hard for I avoid Goodwill because I
always come out of there with more stuff than I.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Find you in goodwill. That's what happened to me, all right,
Phil tell us about the second item up forbid.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Next up is a pheasant print love seat with a
hideaway bed in Colton, South Dakota. This love seat is
pure Grandma core furniture aka granny chic. You know what
I'm talking about. It's those loud, nostalgic designs that are
printed with a repeating image of a rustic barn with
a farm plow perched outside, or an old mill with
a working water wheel, or a floral pattern consisting of
red and orange and gold flowers. But at least those

(51:52):
ugly couches were comfortable, right, No, absolutely not. The scratchy
fabric would give you a rash, and the wood trim
darms are more likely to give you a neck then
a good night's sleep. This particular couch is printed with
a flushing pheasant pattern, so you know Grandpa had to
say in it's purchase. It's the perfect spot to watch
your favorite episode of Green Acres and the Leftovers out
of a country crock tub.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
And it was off Facebook marketplace before I could message
the seller to buy it myself. This listing disappeared in
just seventeen hours.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Now I want to make sure I got this right
because I do think uh cost of living in the
regions for sale matters. So did you say this was
in South Dakota Holton, South Dakota.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
This is about thirty minutes outside of their biggest city,
Sioux Falls. So eastern South Dakota is where this came from.
It's already gone, though. I wish I could have logistically
figured out how to make this my own, but I
could not.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I could see in some places this could go for
a lot of money in one of the in the
kind of like that like like like your wife is
into she's kind of into like that old like boutique
old stuff and making it new. Aga I do.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
And this is in you know, the hunting the pheasant
hunting lodge capital of the world. So what a piece
Green Acres? Phil Did you love Green Acres?

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I don't think I've seen an episode of great but
you know what song?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Right?

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, sure.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
Acres is the place to be far farm for me,
farm spread out far and wide.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Keep just give me that country side. There we go.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
We know it all right? You boys ready go ahead
and reveal your answers. We have Mark saying one hundred
and fifty dollars and Ryan Callahan saying sixty four dollars.
The correct answer. It's seventy five dollars, giving Ryan Callahan
the second point just eleven dollars off the correct answer.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
What screws me up is what I think it's listed
for versus what i'd offer.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Sure rtt sixty four dollars. Pretty good deal. And it's
a hideaway bed on top of that.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Oh, I'm walking away with that thing at right and
fifty no more.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Like I said, it disappeared in seventeen hours. There must
have been some real demand. All right, Cal has already
wrapped up the victory, but we'll see if he can
get a clean sweep and make Mark run around the
building naked ass this tradition really quick.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
We had Odie the Good Shepherd with seventy five, Real
with seventy five, and Spencer two point Oho with seventy five.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Well done, you three, all right, Phil tell us about
the third item up forbid today.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Our final item today is first light gear that's being
sold by a former Meat Eater employee. He's got four
items available, including a brand new Refuge parka, a brand
new Lzie jacket, a like new Sanctuary two point zero jacket,
and a like new Kiln hoodie. He says it's great
gear and he's happy to provide references, including from some
folks who actually work at First Light, no kidding. And

(54:46):
you can feel good about your purchase because it's helping
him fund a down payment to his first home.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, he says, these items are priced to move. It's
almost as though he got them for free, had a
discounted ray cal and mark what is his asking price
for those four pieces together? All four together, it was
a refuge parka Elz jacket, Sanctuary two point zero jacket,

(55:11):
and Kilm hoodie.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
I pull those four items.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Together, price to go. And he's trying to buy a house.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
He's trying to buy a house, he says. And I
like this individual, so I'm not gonna rat him out
too bad.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Just who it is.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah, I feel like someone's gonna snoop this guy out
and he's gonna get alas.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
It's gone, it's sold. You'll never You'll never solve this mystery.
What is the asking price for these four first Light items?
Kel loves that Refuge Park. I know it.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
I mean it's it's burly, it's amazing. I mean, I
let snort use it as like a blind dog bit
what a compliment a whole year because it wasn't like
cold enough for me to wear it, but I wanted
to get the wear and tear in there, so like
dog pieing and muff and all the stuff. And it's
still totally waterproof and it's a great, great jacket.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Again, it's a Refuge parka LZ jacket, Sanctuary two point
zero jacket, and a like new Kiln hoodie. You boys
have your answer, yeah, yeah, go ahead and reveal your answer.
We have Ryan Callahan Callahan saying five hundred and fifty dollars.
Mark Kenyon says five hundred dollars. The correct answer is

(56:26):
seven hundred and fifty dollars. Giving Ryan Callahan the third
point and the clean sweep now purchase new, they'd be
worth over fourteen hundred dollars. Yeah, you're getting these at
fifty percent off.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
You had been in the chat with six fifty, who
I think was the closest.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Oh, well done, Ben, I like that guy.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
All right.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
That's the end of today's game of Price is Right.
Thanks for playing along, and remember to help control the
pet population. Have your pets spaded neutered?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Love that great job.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Drew Carrey. He's been hosting Prices Right for eighteen years now.
If you'd like to feel old.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I've never that's ever watched Drew Carey Prices Right.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Did you ever watch Drew carry On? Whose line is
it anyway?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (57:07):
No, that's what I used to watch.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I'd liked Drew carry On The Drew Carrey.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Show, Cleveland Rot.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, an amazing, amazing intro. That that was when people
cared about the music that played, uh for the the
intro of their.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Scop good stuff. Coorey Graph dances through the streets.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Well, and they had to change who's that President's of
the United States of America?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, And then they had to change that intro a
few times.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Oh I didn't I didn't know this all right.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Our next segment is show and tell.

Speaker 7 (57:35):
Man shot down.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Man, shot down.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Man?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
A short.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Spencer, Spencer have a doctor's appointment and in three.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Minutes, all right, caw, what did you bring to show?
The classroom today.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
What were we supposed to bring, span, sir Jeezu. I
brought a good attitude, okay, and uh.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Somehow worse than the shoe last time.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Did you ever I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Wearing flip flops today?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Does caliber open emails?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I do. There's just a lot of them, A lot
of them.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
As I nervously scan for I have.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
A piece.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I can tell you more about this.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Track P.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Four.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
I bought it for cow so you can have a
more compact setup for his remote podcast interviews. Because he's
a man. He's a man on the road. He's busy.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Someday that's gonna end up in good Will.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Out out there and long and lonesome.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
All right, Marcus, what did you bring for show and tell?

Speaker 3 (58:45):
I brought a very small caribou antler from the Arctic
National Wow. We were finding all sorts of caribou sheds
throughout our adventure that we told everybody about, and some
big ones. But I got to thinking, man, I can't.
Maybe I could bring one big one home. It'd be
a little bit of a hassle. But the problem is
you can't bring one home of anything in my household

(59:06):
because I've got two sons oh, if you've got one,
you've got none. So I wasn't gonna bring two huge
caribous sheds back with everything else. So I decided to
search out the smallest antlers I could find.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
How many antlers did you guys see? Oh jeez, I
mean quite a few, but put a number on it.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I've found three moose antlers.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
No, no, no, I mean how I at the Arctic National
Wildlife right, okay.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Yeah, yep, but total antlers. I mean we just we
wouldn't even go pick them up. You would just see
them offrom the distance. I would say, you know, more
than fifty.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, probably brought home in the smallest one.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
So I brought the two smallest ones I could find,
and this is one of them. And the boys were
very excited with them, and they keep them in their
bedroom now and it feels pretty, uh pretty zotic to them,
a cariboul antler that they can touch and feel and say,
the dad found this in Alaska and kind of a
fun story for them to.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I can't believe their peddicle is even that even at
their their youngest antler development age.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Well yeah, and I mean that that could have been
an off a cow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
So female sitting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Point, Brent says, it's the antler from the Grinches dog.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, you know what, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
It does look like Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I won Dad of the Week award with these.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Now, how did you decide which son got which antler?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
That was a little bit of like a push and
shove and see who grabbed what first. Oh. I stayed
out of that one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
But they were both happy with what they ended up with.
And uh, I'm very excited to bring those back and
show their buddies here in a month or so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
You see how easy that is. Cal. You must have
one hundred antlers at your house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
You could have brought I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I got a billion things going through my brain at
every second, though, too, so it was hard to keep
it straight.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I thought, Cal, I thought you were going to bring
your mooseshed, because I did have. Cal's got a cool
moosehed story from our trip, if we have time to
tell it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I packed a huge moose shed home all the way
only was here to look at yeah, and I just yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
But the way you found it, well, we flew.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Over it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
And somebody in the plane made the comment like, oh,
that's a hikeable distance from camp. You No, not me.
But when we landed the whole time, I was like,
that's a lot further away. You'd cover a lot of
ground on a plane, right, And yeah, So I just
started hiking and eventually did did come across it, but

(01:01:28):
also found like an old caribou deadhead that was faced
down in the muskeg and the antlers were like sinking
into the muskeg, like it's going to be a fossil
here in another thousand years, you know. And yeah, real,
real cool, just big long slog. But found that brought
it all the way back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I wish I could see it. Yeah, I'd love to
be holding that thing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah. It impressed the hell out of the ups driver
the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
So all right, My Show and Tell item is a stamp.
This is a stamp that my wife got me this year,
the last time we were in New York City. And
this is a book stamp so that I can stamp
all of my books. It says from the Library of Spencer,
New Arth. It's got a shirtless Smoky the Bear on

(01:02:15):
there who's holding a shovel. And this way, when Mark
Kenyon wants to borrow a book from me, he knows
that he has to give it back. There's no arguing
because all of my books now have this stamp in them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Thank you for doing this, Spencer, because all of my
friends think I'm the biggest nerve in the world. Oh,
I have something similar. Instead of an ink stamp, I've
got one of the things where having ye press it
presses a crest onto my book that shows from the
library of Mark Kenyon. And they think I'm a total goober.
So thank you my wife joining me in this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
So this is one of my favorite gifts I've ever gone.
It's Smoky the Bear telling everyone that that is my
damn book.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
That brings us to the end of the show. Let's
get some final feedback from the listeners. Phil what's the
chat have to say?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Question from Mark. He says, we started planning out an
Alaska caribou hunt in five years and this new bill
is putting a wrench in it. My dad says we
shouldn't hunt them because we'd be putting additional stress on
the herd. And then he followed it up with just
like general thoughts from you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Guys man the Porcupine caribou herd, which is the herd
here in the refuge where this is happening, is one
of the only caribou herds that's not in decline right now.
Most others are plummeting. This one has been doing pretty
decent at the moment. But this could change things. I

(01:03:40):
mean it could. We just don't know yet when all
this is going to start happening and what that's going
to look like. So I guess I'm going to put
my faith in the Alaska fishing game and hope that
they are going to adjust taggle allocations if things start
going nose down. But I would be keeping tabs on it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Oh and the other thing is like people need to
go up and see this area and have these adventures.
Once you do, you can't think, oh, man, this would
be better if we were developing it for anything other
than what it's constantly doing, which is, you know, creating

(01:04:20):
unbelievable amounts of life. Right, So I think it's important
that you go on that hunt.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Also, a lot can change in five years. A lot
can change in six months, which is about the amount
of time that's taken for this big, beautiful bill to happen.
For the Trump administration. Also, I think probably one of
the hardest parts for people to plan in Alaska hunt
or trip is just saving the money. So I don't know,
keep planning that trip for five years from now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Yeah, and there's there's a heck of a lot of
stuff to do up there even if the caribou hunt
doesn't happen for one reason or another. There's amazing rafting opportunities,
hiking opportunities, backpacking, bird watching. I mean, see it one
way or another.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeap, Carl as Spencer your favorite bar in Yankton?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Oh glad you asked, Carl the ice House. That's just
like a classic answer. I think everyone who's been to
Yankton and ben to a bar there, that's their favorite bar.
It's right next to the Missouri River. You've got great scenery,
and then when you finish your drink, you order a bottle.
Of course, you get to smash that bottle against the
building underneath their patty. It's very satisfying experience. It's very

(01:05:22):
motivating to have that next beer, not in the recycling
their home, recycling it right back to the earth under
that porch. Okay, what else you got, Phil.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Jeremy says, question for the crew, I'm about to take
a mate in his first real hunt, do I put
him up front and give him the best cracker as
a watch and learn approach better.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Feel it out, very dynamic situation. My only thing that
I would tell you have to do is put that
person in a situation where they can try to make
their own informed decisions. You know, it's just not very
impactful if you are doing all the hunting and then

(01:06:03):
you're like, hey, pull the trigger right, y'all. I'll put
them in a position to where they'd start learning the
hunting and have to make some of those decisions along
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that. I would also say,
I mean, it depends on what their exposure is to
the experience preceding this one hunt, Like if they have
if they're coming right off the couch and have done
nothing out of here like this, I would say that's
probably it'd be a lot to throw you right into
the fire right away and tell you, hey, you're hunting
and shoot. It might be worth letting them tag along
for a while. But I've had plenty of times where

(01:06:39):
someone's been exploring these things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
On their own.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
They've been dabbling, they've been testing, they've been watching they've
been thinking about it and they just need someone with
them for that final step to really go on a
real hunt. But they've been slowly getting there. In that case,
then yeah, give them those opportunities. But I agree with
what you're saying, Ko.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Yeah, I think when I'm with an inexperienced hunter, top
things I noticed that they struggle with is the speed
of things. Whether it's like now you have to be
really slow and like treat each one of these moments
like it really matters, or now you got to go
really fast, like you got to make a decision, you
got to get to this spot, you have to like
do this next thing. So I think if you can
get them to tag along and just watch and try

(01:07:18):
to get a feel for when things need to be slow,
you go slow. When things need to be fast, you
go fast, it's just gonna put them in a better position.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Cool, do a couple more. Uh where was the one?

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Yeah, Nate asks, He's well. First, he says, he's chasing
his first buck in South Dakota this year. What time
of year do you know a buck is looking like
it's gonna be a big one? Is there a saying
like with corn me high by fourth of July.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Oh you shuah, I should come up with one right now,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
For me, usually in July you're like, okay, that's probably
gonna be a good one. But really, once once August hits,
then you know, like, oh yeah, like that, you know
what a buck's gonna be once August rolls around, and
then by at least you know places I spend time
by mid August, they're basically what they're gonna be. They
start hardening from mid August, from mid August on and
then peel velvet that first week of September, give or

(01:08:05):
take you know a little bit. So yeah, in July
you're getting like a general sense of who I think so,
and then August you know, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
In July you're probably looking at antlers that have like
a hot dog shape almost they're like still bulbous. You'll
have a good idea. I don't think you're going to
be surprised if you get a book on trail camera
two weeks from now. I don't think you're going to
be shocked in August at what that deer looks like.
So you'll have a good idea right now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Just to follow up on the book talk Spencer asks
if anything's if anybody is reading anything good in any
book recommendations.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
The Quiet World by Douglas Brinkley would be one I'd
recommend for anyone who's been intrigued by our conversation today.
That book's all about the history of public lands and
wildlife and conservation in Alaska. Fascinating history of how the
Alaska we know today came to be. The many battles

(01:09:01):
like what we've been talking about today have been happening
for decades and decades, various iterations of it. Super interesting,
very interesting characters. Many of the names that you've heard
in podcasts on meat or within films or wherever it
might be, stuff like Eldo Leopold, Bob Marshall, Olas Muri,
John Muir, Theodore Roosevelt. All these people had a really

(01:09:23):
integral part of Alaska's history as well that I think
most people don't know. I didn't know a lot of
this stuff, even as someone who's written about this extensively.
So fascinating and a pretty page turner of a history book.
So that's The Quiet World by Douglas Brinkley.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
I'm on my twenty sixth book of the year right now,
it's the Pirates Code. It's all about pirates. It's okay,
it's fine. It's gonna be like a three and a
half star book for me when I'm done. I think
the best thing I've read at is of late Ridgeline.
We had Michael punk on the Mediater podcast a few
years ago. He also wrote The Revenant. That is a

(01:09:59):
great work of historical fiction. Would would recommend that to
anyone who is interested in in that subject matter. Also,
Wolf Island. I bought that book while I was at
Isle Royale and I loved it. It was to read
list really really fascinating stuff. And a book always feels
like it's stronger when it has a first hand account.

(01:10:20):
And this is written by one of those biologists who
was one of the first people to work on the
moose and wolf relationship of Isle Royale. It's a great reader,
especially if you're interested in that part of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
David meach Right or Max something like that. Nb H.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Heck, yeah, I just got The Warriors Garden by Richard
Ryan in the mail, so I'm gonna start digging digging
through that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
My next book was actually recommended by Phil's wife, Adrian.
The feather thief. So I'm very excited about that. One's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Oh yeah, it's like a three day book. Good it's
a fast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
One, all right. That brings us to the end of
the show. Thanks Cal, Thanks Marcus. Thanks back here next week.
Good time now