Ep. 748: Campfire Nachos and Jonathan Taylor Thomas | MeatEater Radio Live! - The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. Today is Thursday, August fourteenth.
It's eleven am Mountain time here in Bozeman, Montana. That's
nine AM and Tallahassee, Florida, the new black bear hunting
capital of the country. I'm your host, Randa Williams, and
I'm joined today by Spencer Newhearth and Corey Caulkins. Hey,
today's show, we're gonna hear about some fascinating firearms from

(00:48):
our friends at Rock Island Auctions. We've got another hot
tip off for you. We're getting together the old Meat
Eater Movie Club to discuss the film Wild America, and
we will wrap everything up with a little segment we
like to call top three. Corey, Spencer, how are you
find gentlemen doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Doing great, very good, very excited to get to our
top threes?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Excellent, excel. Well, you've got to wait because we've got
three wonderful segments before that.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm excited for the Meat Eater Movie Club because I
know obviously a banger of a film, and I know
you have some wonderful notes.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's a it's a it's a fan favorite. I think
a fan favorite. How did this recommendation come down?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm talking about Meat Eater Movie
Club got Phil got film you always do good? No,
I actually the film was recommended by a couple. Uh.
It was in a couple of emails to us, and
I remember watching it when I was little, and the
only thing I could remember is the you know, the
climatic scene in the bear cave. So we'll get to

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all that. We'll get to all that.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Can I can I make requests for Movie Club? Would
you rank all of the movies we've done? Not right now,
but like in some future episode, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
At the end of the year. I think that's a
tremendous I.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Do a recap. Here's the best and here's the worst. Oh,
maybe you've got some awards, like best Cinematography goes to
Ye Wild America.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
We can call it the not the Rats. That's great.
We can just have a whole episode where I just
reread all of the all of the bits that I've done.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
We need some shows over Christmas break.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, that'll be some good filler. Now, before we get
too far, we have a couple of exciting new things
to announce here today. Actually, Rich Frohning's In Pursuit podcast
just took over what used to be the Cutting the
Distance podcast, So you can join Rich every Thursday on
the meat Eater podcast YouTube channel or wherever you listen

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to your podcasts. And at this very moment, eleven am
Mountain Time, the med Eater YouTube channel has launched a
video recap of the Mountain mentor that Steve and I
did earlier this year. We went around to a couple
of different universities in the West and talked about our
mediator's American History mountain Men audio book, and Steve and
I also got to visit a museum museum the Mountain

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Men in Pinedale, Wyoming, and we got to shoot some
black powder guns.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And the video shows that shows you boys, it.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Does it does? It actually shows my first, my very
first attempt at shooting a flintlock rifle.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
You say attempt it was It went poorly.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh okay, there was a I was prepared for the
delay between the flash and the pan and the hangers.
It wasn't. It wasn't a full on hang fire. But
by the time the rifle discharged, I was pointing it
elsewhere I was pointing it at the ground. My flint
had already hit me. So it's embarrassing and I had
hoped they cut that from the film, but that is included.

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And certainly Steve had some choice words to say to you. Yes, yes,
he was tickled. He was tickled by my failure to
hit the target.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
See that now on the media YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Indeed, also we have a note from Mark in the chat.
He would like everyone to know that there are brand
new wire to Hunt hats and t shirts in the store.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Shameless plug from Mark.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
I don't know if they're in the store at this
moment or if they're coming. Mark, let us know. You know,
it's Yannie's favorite hat.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yanni wears that hat every day I see him at
the office.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
You see him at the office every day.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Every day that I see you. It's important it's his
favorite hat from our selection.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Excellent.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
I could butt in here and say the hats and
shirts are available, so sty geez.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Another another shameless plug. Let's get away from the commercial
nastiness of this whole enterprise and get into the good
stuff here. Speaking of historical firearms, to connect the thing
I had just said a few minutes before, we got
into the T shirt selling to the upcoming segment. For
our first and only guest on today's show, we're talking
to Kevin Hogan, the president of Rock Island Auction Kevin,

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Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
So, boys, we got hats and T shirts too?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh real?

Speaker 6 (05:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Would you?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah? Where can we find those Rock Island Auction dot Com.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
No, you actually got to come here and buy them.
We're not we're not that advanced yet, but I'm proud
of them too.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
So could you tell us where you are? And I
know you've got a couple of guns to show us,
but you could tell us a little bit about where
you are and uh, the auction that these guns will
be in.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yes, sir, So we're in Bedford, Texas. I'm Kevin Hogan,
president of Rock Island Auction Company. We're located in Bedford, Texas.
We've been in business for thirty years. We were kind
of on the well we were we were in Illinois
for up till twenty twenty three and then we moved
down here to the Lone Star State and it's it's
been great. So we're right in the middle of the BFW.
We're thirty minutes from Fort Worth, thirty minutes from Dallas,

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ten minutes from DFW airport. We got down here as
soon as we could, so it's been it's been absolutely wonderful.
We handle the finest guns in the world. We do
it three times a year, and we got a great
sale this weekend, so we'll be selling Friday through Sunday.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Excellent.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Kevin, Being in Texas seems like what I would imagine
to be like the core of the demographic of your buyers.
Is that case? Is that the case? Is it vary Texas?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, I
mean like country is country wide, right, and I mean
we have thirty four countries that will participate in our sales.
But you know, Texas has it's not the best gun
culture United States, it's the best gun culture in the world.
And you know, you draw that line from Dallas to
San Antonio, San Antonio to Houston, you've got the Golden Triangle.

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I mean, there's nine million people here in BFW, and
you know, more and more, there's there's more, there's more
business down on the deer blind here, and there is
on the golf course. And it's been it's been a
great place for us to be. But if you break
it down, you know, by population densities. I mean we're
we're from the formerly great state of Illinois, and I
mean Illinois is a great state. But you just have,

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you know, thirty miles surrounded by reality, which is Chicago.
But it's population densities that buy gun. So Texas number one,
but California's number two, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, all right up
there as population densities.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Interesting, Can you can you tell us about the first
firearm you have to show us here?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Sure, man, we got some we got some fun stuff,
so everything. I'm gonnahow you. We're gonna start selling tomorrow.
This is this is lot number forty four, will sell
it within the first thirty minutes tomorrow morning. We start
selling at nine am Central time. This is Steve McQueen's
Mayor's lay. I don't know how much introduction it does

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or doesn't need to the viewers. For me, I'm thirty
seven years old. You know, what does what does Steve
McQueen mean generationally to my generation? What does it mean
to that baby boomer generation? But this gun for so
many we've had it on display for three weeks. I
mean we've had people come from around the country to
kind of pay homage to it, the imagination that it

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inspired them right when they were they were a youth
to kind of how they've whatever formulated their lives. It's
it was, it's meaningful to a lot of people. Steve
McQueen the King of Cool. This was this was the
Mayor's leg from from his show UH Wanted Dead or
Alive And it's a We've sold some really cool like
pop culture items. I'm looking forward to this one. Most notably,

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we had Hans Solo's original blaster from the original Star
Wars movie a new We actually made the Guiness Book
of World Records with with that gun. That gun brought
just over a million dollars. We had John Wayne's single
action his favorite kind of screen used gun that he
used in Rio, Bravo, True Grit, Rooster Cockburn. But Steve

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McQueen strikes a different chord with people, obviously again that
the King of Cool, and I think you know, this
gun kind of embodies that. It's because at the end
of the day, it is it is cool.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Can you can you I've always been curious, can you
tell us about the origin of the term Mayor's leg.
I mean it typically refers to uh lever action that's
been shortened and then the stock has been cut off
just below the the sort of wrist of the stock.
But do you know about the history of that term?

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yeah, I mean, like I think just from the from
the visual you could say it's there, but what we
were reading is I can't. He did a I think
it's in his autobiography. He's talking about the development of
this gun with Kenneth von Dutch, which is just another
cool piece of American pop culture, the famous fabricator and
McQueen was a method actor and so he took he

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took they made three of these. He took one of
the original examples that didn't have the plug barrel because
this is a blank firing gun. Only he took it
to the range and I think the one that he
said he was shooting was like a forty five to
seventy and kicked like Mayer's leg was was basically from
the visual. Yeah, they said even this gun on the
blank load, it was it was so short and so

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powerful they had to like shorten the blank load. Okay,
that they were doing to be like a third of
the power.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's great. That had never occurred to me, but certainly
the EXPERI it would probably bring to mind getting kicked. Absolutely,
what have you got for your second gun here today?

Speaker 5 (10:07):
So also we're selling this soccer tomorrow Smith and Wesson
new model number three that letters to Annie Oakley. So
if you take a look, like just a few things
are you can see this like shotgun sight on the
front and it's it's a smooth bore. So the gun
was made in eighteen ninety five and it was it

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was shipped directly to Annie Oakley. And so like we
get a lot of like historical guns that get run
past us, and provenance is everything, and like my my
story is not like great, but it's it's almost every
time we get a historic gun. I mean for every
historic gun we sell, there's there's fifty or seventy five
that we don't because they don't don't quite meet Mustard.

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But like you know the great cinema classic Half Baked,
and he's talking about how he bought Jerry Guardia in
a pout and you know that or who told you
that is the guy that sold it to me. And
so you know so many stories about about guns, but
probe noance is everything Unfortunately, some of this stuff's real

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and it's lost of time, space and history. But this
one letters right from the factory to Annie Oakley as
a smooth bore, and she's she's as relevant now as
as she was, you know in eighteen ninety five when
the gun was made. She would if you think about it,
she was really like one of the first real international
female superstars. She was her shooting prowess and she I

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mean she was. She was tough as nailes too. She
tried to raise a regiment of all female sharp shooters
both in the Spanish American War and in World War One.
She was tough. I mean she started fishing, hunting and
trapping when she was seven years old, and and did
it for for the right reasons. They're putting food on
the table.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
She was.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
She was tough, and so it's pretty I mean, you
think about what this gun saw. This is eighteen ninety five,
she's thirty five years old. She's five foot on paper,
one hundred pounds, soaking wet and sitting sitting bul Is
watching watching her. Yeah, shoot, shoot this gun, you know,
and he's the one that tagged your little masure shot.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's incredible history. That's incredible. Could you tell us what
you expect the uh that that pistol to make it auction?
And also I forgot to ask you about the Mayor's
leg too. Do you have an expected valuation of those?

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, the Mayor's leg I think we got in and
around like fifty to seventy five thousand as a low estimate.
It's really hard to comp some of this short, right,
so you have an intrinsic value exercise versus history. But
we've our estimate on the mayor's legs fifty to seventy five.
Anti Oakley I believe is sixty to ninety thousand. We
have sold several Antioakley guns. I mean that was her craft,
is she Guns were her tools. She had a lot

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of guns. Most of those have been lost of time,
space and history, but they were actually hers. But we've
sold them. We've sold Antiokley guns for for for a
huge dollars. We've ever sold a revolver. I mean typically
you think of Auntie Ogle, you think of like a
twenty two eighteen ninety Winchester or a shotgun. But yeah,
I mean I expect it to be spirited. I expect

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it to be spirited, but I don't have a crystal ball.
I'll tell you. I'll tell you tomorrow night when it's
all said and done.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Excellent, excellent, And what to wrap things up here, what's
the third and final item you got?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, this is I mean when we say we handle
the finest guns in the world, that's what you're looking
at here. This is the I mean, this is the
best Marlin that we've ever had. We've been in business
for thirty years to handle the best guns in the world,
but this is as good as a guess what we
do fine. In Historic Fyrum's collecting, we trademarked the phrase
not all the hardest framed I mean this is. This

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is for that very reason. It's a Conrad Frederick Factory
and Grave Golden Platinum Midleay. It's a Marlin model of
eighteen ninety three, manufactured in eighteen ninety six, and apart
from it being you know, jaw droppingly beautiful and extremely
rare and likewise extremely expensive, kind of a neat story,

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was maintained by the same family in Connecticut for well
over one hundred years. It's been passed now as a
family heirloom. You know, it's like the old thing. He
would take it. The owner would take it to the
gun shop once every two or three years to have
him oilers. He didn't feel doing it. And you know,
naturally people start showing up at the gun shop and
offers start getting made. And I think it went from

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five thousand dollars, eight thousand dollars to twelve thousand dollars
to fifteen thousand dollars and h when we talk to
these folks that do you think you think it could
bring thirty grand? And I think that gun's going to
set a world record for wow eighteen. I think it's
gonna I think it's gonna blow past one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
You had talked about the Antioakley gun and if it
would pass the Mustard. What is the authentication process like
when you get a gun that was supposedly owned by
a famous person like that.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
So this one, this one made it easy. You can
contact like Smith and Wesson. They have their factory archive
in their factory factory ledgers. Now what they were doing
back then, if someone was having a bad day, what
was being recorded, what wasn't being recorded? There wasn't a
great standardization. But this gun letter specifically adds shipped to
Antie Oakley, right from the factory to her, and that's

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that's as good and solid as you can get. I
think it's also worth mentioning you know, this gun. I
believe it was discovered at a gun show, you know,
I think I think the gentleman purchased it for two
thousand dollars. It was unknown, and then he did the
leg work on getting a letter from the factory and
it going straight to her. But you know, it's incredible

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and we see it in everything I mean, what human
air and people. I mean like cold very famously, the
Colt records earned in eighteen sixty one eighteen sixty two,
the factory had a huge fire and that we lost
all their records. Winchester has really good records. Unfortunately Marlin
has poor records, but luckily with this gun, Smith and
Wesson had the records.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Steve and I have been working on an audio book
about the Buffalo Hunters, and I think one of the
more fascinating sources that you can come across. There's a
whole archive from the Sharp's Rifle Manufacturing Company that they
have all these letters from Buffalo hunters, and it's just
amazing that those records are maintained by those companies, and
then all the little tidbits you can pull out of it.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Absolutely it'll shock you both ways, like what we have
and then what we don't have. I mean, I think
we did one of our guys did did one of
your shows previously, and we had that it was a
seventy caliber Hawking rifle that came out of Sagamore Hill,
out of Roosevelt stuff, and in Teddy's own writing it
said Kit Carson's rifle. But like where the connection was
or wasn't to Kit Carson was lost to time history

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in space. But in Teddy's own hand it was Kit
Carson's rifle. You know very well it probably was, but
we couldn't place it there. And that's kind of the
frustration you get on chasing down historic guns and trying
to you know, you'd like it to be as simple
and straightforward as if this gun shipped from Springfield, mass
to Antio Oakley in eighteen ninety five. Unfortunately it's not

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always the case.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Fascinating, uh, that that marlin you pulled up that looked
like an engraving of a deer on the on the
side of it, Can you describe for our viewers sort
of what the visuals are like on the receiver.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah, so we call it a it's a panel scene.
So on your on your loading gate side. Yeah, we
have a running deer. Then you can see like the
oak leaf and acorn pattern. Then you can see the
multi precious metals. When I roll it, you can see
gold and platinum.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
And then the large panel scene is a bull, moose
and a cow. And I just wrote, when I roll it,
you can see the condition and condition. What we do
is like location in real estate. It's conditioned condition and
this is I mean, this is a time capsule. And
so like you can see the gold inlay on the hammer,

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the carving and the checkering on the wood. I mean Marlin,
you know, Colts and Winchesters are always what we consider
the blue chip but find historic American firearms collecting, you
always think of Coults and Winchester's, But you know, Marlin
is the lever actions like Smith and Wesson is to
the revolvers on on the Colts single actions, and Marlin
doesn't get the credit that it deserves the artists. And
we I say that in every sense of the word.

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Who engraved that gun? Conrad Frederick Ulrich actually started at
Winchester and then would move to Marlin and become their
head engraver, and they gave him way more creative freedom
on his guns. He'll sign a lot of his stuff.
A lot of his great guns are signed, and a
lot of them are hidden signatures. So it's it's really neat.
But you know, you think of that as like the ultimate,

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the ultimate artistry when you're chiseling steel. I mean, there's
no such thing as a mistake, and you think back then,
it's this is pre electricity. You know, you're doing stuff
in modern and I mean it's natural light and candle
light isn't there's there's no technology. It's very very basic
and simple. So I don't you know, monitoring writers don't
have what what they what these guys did.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's incredible. Well, Kevin, thank you so much for your
time and for sharing those guns with us here, and
good luck this weekend. We'll be curious to see what
those end up selling.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
For absolutely pleasure. Thanks for having means thank you.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Boy. My gun budget is lacking.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh boy, do you own any historic guns?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
None?

Speaker 1 (19:31):
At all, is it like on your radar, is like
an aspirational thing to come in possession of.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Not really, I mean it's I I enjoy going to
firearms museums and looking at guns and especially something like
that where you can sort of marvel at the artistry.
But yeah, I don't guns for me are very utilitarian
or or do. They're just sheer novelty. But I still
want to fire them, you know, you know, I don't
want anything that I have to lock up and keep

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keep pretty.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I don't know if you'd want to shoot that marlin. No, never, Yeah,
I mean, value would go down. I imagine, Oh I
think so, I think so it's too beautiful.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Alrighty, Sorry, I got a phone call and move my
browser around, So let me just pull that back up
and get back into the swing of things. Here, we're live.
Our next segment is a hot tip off.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
That's salty, that's salty, yes.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Speaking of artistry. Wonderful, wonderful, Phil, thank you. Hot tip
off is where two listeners go head to head with
competing pieces of advice, and after we hear each tip,
we'll declare which one is hotter. If you have a
hot tip, take a minute one minute video on your
phone and email it to radio at the meadeater dot

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com with the subject line hot tipoff. This week we
have Austin Rhinds versus Joshua Ross and they are competing
for a one hundred dollars Meat Eater store gift card.
You can get a pile of killer meat Eaters shirts,
hats and hoodies with one hundred dollars and a little
Birdie told me that select logo where twet be Bogo

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next week or buy one, get one. Oh mg, that's
huge news, gang, huge news, Phil take it away. Joshua Ross.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Hey, I'm Joshua Ross from upstate New York, and this
is my hot tip. If you're just getting into waterfowl,
or you stretched a little thin, you can maximize your
float or spread turn them into some land decoys under
thirty bucks with some dollars store paper, towel holders and
a couple cans of rustolia. All you do is start
with this, bend it down into this shape, spray pant

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to match your decoys. You add some orange for some feet.
Go ahead, slide it on to the keel, yes, stick
it in the gravel sands embankment, and then boom you
turned your floaters into some land decoys, some field decoys,
and you can put some into water or leave them
up on the shore. This is what it should look like,

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tant orange orange feet.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
That's my hot tip.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Love it, my god, lost in Rihnes, Hey me, did
your crew?

Speaker 8 (22:34):
This is Austin from Arkansas, and I've got a hot
tip for y'all. I recently moved from Oklahoma back to Arkansas,
and I had a little bit of an issue. I
got my shoulder mounts and my dead heads and my
European mounts, and I didn't want them to get damaged
in the moving process. So I came up with an idea.
Go down to your local Walmart and get you some

(22:56):
of those five dollars pool noodles real cheap. And I
don't know about the size bucks that y'all are killing,
but for me, the ones I'm killing, or you can
get about one pole noodle for every two deer. And
I got a whole pile over here that I'm gonna
get started hanging up on the walls and decorating. That's
my hot tip. Hope y'all like it. Y'all have a

(23:16):
good one.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh my god, I love I love that guy. I
could feel the burn from both those hot tips.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, two of the hottest tips we've ever gotten. If
they are listening or watching at home, those should be
aspirational video.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, strong submissions.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
When you send us a hot tip the pool.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
The poll is live, by the way, get in the
live chat.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Hop in there, gang, ask yourself, is my hot tip
as hot as Josh's or Austin's when you send a
hot tip? Because those those were perfect?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, and just it's so fortunate that they went
head to head because this I think is a tough,
tough decision here, tough contesting. Yeah, you guys, any initial thoughts, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I I like Austin's that is creative. I've I've never
seen that. But I love Josh was the dollar store
decoy legs to turn your floaters into field decoys. Super clever,
super cheap. It's like a problem solving thing. I'm all
about Josh's. Joshus would have my boat, big fan.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Both very thrifty, which this day and age, got to
be thrifty. Here's what you got, you know, It's tough.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, I think for me, what what might tip it
towards Joshua is that I wish Austin had a had
had included whatever he uses to protect the nose skulls,
because when I move, I'm not so much worried about
the antler points. I'm worried about the nasal cavity. I
just had one fat wall.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Who hung it there?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah I did, No, I did, And it knocked another
one off. That was fine, and but but the one
shattered the nosebone. And I just feel like, as a society,
we need to come together and figure out a way
to those things bulletproof.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
They gave me shivers. Yeah, I know, two euro mounts.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
The wildest thing. We were sitting there watching television, you know,
as we do every night, for a few hours and
uh and uh just heard a noise in the other room, said,
my god, what is that.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
You just assume it's dogs.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
The dogs were.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
All doing what they're supposed to do, which is just
laying on their sides in front of us. And yeah,
this this one was hung at about six foot six
on the wall, and it fell down and knocked one
down that was at about five foot six. Damn. And
then they hit my computer monitor. Woh. And uh, I
don't know how the one survived. But yeah, it's a

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it's a buck that I shot in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Everybody wants to know how it fell off the wall.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Drywall RiPP. I think the drywall anchor seemed to be loose, yes,
and so then I went and got, you know, the
drywall ank I'm getting so far a few I put.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I put so much confidence into drywall anchors.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, the one, the one that I moved to, is
the drywall anchor that's more cone shaped, that has the
reds the threads on the outside, and not just one
of those that spluts out and grabs the back.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm fully on the drywall anchor you're describing. Yeah, the threads,
and I feel like those are like I have fifty
pound ones and seventy.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Five pound ones. No, they make some. They make some
hafty ones.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, five hundred pound ones. That's what's holding on to
my elk. But I'm gonna go double check those screws.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, And it's a wall. I have got like nine
different bucks all hanging on the same wall, and now
it makes me want to take them all down and
replace all the drywall anchors.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
All right, I'm voting Josh the dollar stoyed Dollar Store
decoy legs. Cory, you're voting. I like the pool noodles, Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I like the decoy legs, and I just I think
like anytime you can buy something real cheap and it
just adds to your your experience in the field, like
that's pool noodles.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Well, with sixty one percent of the vote, the winner.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Oh, I forgot that we weren't important.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
No is jongratulations.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
If we're just going off vibes, Austin would have had
my vote. I like that guy's I like that guy's energy.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Randal is encouraging you to send another hot tip off
Austin because your aura alone might just get you to
win one.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, And if that's you know, I just wonder what
else you got in the in the hopper, what else
you got in the quiver?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
There?

Speaker 4 (27:26):
You have a lot of people yelling at you to
just hit a stud when you're hanging and not use
drywall anchors.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well sometimes, well not if you're doing a spread wall.
It's incredible. It's just it's it's artistically. They're scattered across
the wall perfect. So I just think you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
He doesn't have enough studs in his house.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, you got too many studs, not enough of the
other kind.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Josh, if you're watching, I'll email you that gift card.
Be on the lookout for that.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Now it's time for some listener feedback. Phil, what do
we got going on in the chat?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Well, please shoot some more questions my way in the
live chat, and we'll do this again at the end
of the show. Nate says asks if the Meat Eater
crew were in the Hunger Games, who would win?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Cal You can you win by not? I don't know
how the rules were.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, Peter famously just like camouflaged himself and then laid
next to a stump. That's what he.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Was really good at, camouflaging himself because he was a
pastry chef and decorated cakes. That is true lore in
the Hunger Game.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Who I didn't realize that. Yeah, I was thinking if
you had to score points by killing people, col might
not be it. But I also thought Cow would be
really good because he would just refuse to participate. Yeah,
and he would just kind of sit on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
He could go to the edge of the map, but
then they the overlords would like send wasps at him
and like hit him with lightning or something thing.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Philip simmer Hoffman. Yeah, I would move the map around.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I'd give Cal a vote. He'd be very good at
being uncomfortable in the Hunger Games experience.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
And Steve. I think if if you had to just
go on who might kill the most people, it would
probably be Steve.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
He's just angry because he loves.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
To have whip knives around. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's
just waiting for that green light.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I've had the same conversation, but not Hunger Games, but
the show alone.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, that's Cal because he just wouldn't want to come
back like this's great. There's no phones, whatever, it takes
the same. No one's asking me to do anything.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
No one's bugging me about radio. Bringing a show and
tell item to radio live.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, no, that would be good an experience.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Lewin says, do you all have any strong feelings on
orange camo? Does it work? Not work? Is it a
bad compromise?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Orange camo?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I I'm not passionate about this. If I was in
a stint where I was archery hunting during a gun
season where it was required as an archer hunt that
I had to wear camo, which I think is Illinois
or Missouri one of those states, I'd be like, Okay,
I will wear orange camel outside of that if you
are gun hunting, if you are killing an animal that

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is further than twenty yards away from you, I'm not
sold on needing to wear orange camo.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Good point.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I like how it looks though.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
It looks cool.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
It looks cool. It looks like, you know, you got
that item from your dad who wore it in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I also like the I used to have an orange
vest I think when I moved out to Montana that
had like sort of the black tree bark print on.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yes, that looked tough.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
That looked tough, But yeah, I'm more of just an
orange mesh and function guy. Yeah, you know in Montana.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Here he's just so broken up anyway, at least backpack straps,
binocular harness. I don't know all my fixings bloodstains from last.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Year, Nate says Spencer. How long till the next Wives
and Girlfriends Trivia episode? My wife loves them and once more,
definitely some of the best episodes.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I was just checking with my wife this week about
dates that would work with her. Now I have to
reach out to the other wives, but I will try
to do one this year. It's our most viewed trivia
episode in the history of YouTube, so if we need
to like juice the numbers. Yeah, we'll just get all
the wives and girlfriends in here because folks want to
run over to YouTube and watch them play trivia. So

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we will do it again. Nate excellent. Our household looks
forward to that.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
What else we got?

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Phil Mogor says, Hi, Steve hunted in Africa, Yanni, and Lithuania.
I would say, was he in Lithuania via Latvia? Do
you have any Baltic similar dreams or plans outside of
the United States for hunting in the future.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I always wanted to kill a Siberian tiger. I don't
know if that's legal.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Though, you're not taking this question very seriously.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I want to hunt Canada real bad. I want to
hunt Alberta or Saskatchewan for a big old white tailed buck.
Their laws make it hard to do that. As a
DIY hunter from the United States, you have to have
a guide. Their guide regulations are fairly stinging about like
what your relationship with the guide can be, as far

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as like if they drop you off, if they are
within eyesight of you if they like pick the location
where you're sitting. So, while I feel like I have
some connections to go hunting Canada, at some point it
wouldn't be with a guide in a traditional sense, and
so I just don't want to even mess with it
as a dude who prefers to just like go do
a diy thing. But if I could kill a big

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old whitetail buck in Sasketchwana or Alberta, that would satisfy
all my foreign hunting dreams. There you go.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is a dream, not a plan because it won't happen.
But I think if I had, if I were given
the option of one international hunt, it would probably be
an Ibex in Central Asia, just in those giant, scary
big mountains that just looks like a super cool experience
and obviously like you do it with a network of
local guides and get to eat weird stuff and drink

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weird stuff and have a weird time.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
All those guys are expert falconry folks.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It seems like, yeah, no, it'd be cool. Africa also
would be very cool. Uh we did I got to
go hunt in Old Mexico?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, I am an international hunter.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yes, I am an international hunter. Straightened the necktie on
my T shirt.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That does look like a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Thank you Mogor for a great question.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
One more, I have what I have have deemed to
be the White Tail time Zone Slam, just like the
traditional time zones, but there's one way way east. It
is it Nova Scotia that has it. It's in its
own maritime I think it's maritime. So if I wanted to, like,
you know, there's like the Grand Slam of Turkeys and

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then like the Super Slam or whatever. The tiered system
is there. If I want to go to the next
tier of the White Tail time Zone Slam, I need
to get to Nova Scotia at some point or whatever
is in that furthest Eastern time zone.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I love that for you.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Someday, let's do it someday.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Is that it for listener feedback? Phil? Should we move on?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, it's good, move on. We can hit some more
at the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Sure there's some other good ones.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, I got a couple started. There was one that
I will I'll just go ahead and bring it up
now because you guys might plead the fifth on it.
But this was for Corey. This was also from Nay.
He said, what's the coldest tip anyone's ever submitted? I
don't know if one stands out to you. I was like, wow,
this is this is rough. But also if you don't
want to hurt people's feelings, we're a very positive show.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
No you should name them.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Oh man, there.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, there's a few that I certainly don't finish watching
because it's like this is either way too you know,
out of reach, way too common, way too whatever. I
don't think there's any cold ones because everybody brings the enthusiasm.
If you have the time to film and send an
email there, we're warm enough.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Everybody's got a trick or two up your sleeve.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Keep them coming because it's kind of dry out there.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Get those hot tips in.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
I wish I had an answer for you, but nothing
jumps out that's ice cold.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah, because otherwise we have to ask Giannis and then
he sends something that's I mean pretty cold.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I've seen some of the hot tip submissions. I would
say the coldest ones are ones that come in and
I hear it and I'm like, I know you heard
that on the Meat Eater podcast. Oh yeah, that thing
that you're saying is a hot tip you heard from.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Cheapulars on a tripod.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah? Yeah, so that that was probably the coldest tips
that we get.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Another great question, jeez. Well, our next segment is Meat
Eater Movie Club. This week we're so I put the
h I put the pause for sound in the wrong place.

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We're live this week we're reviewing the nineteen ninety seven
American adventure comedy film directed by William Deer, written by
David Michael Wieger, and starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Devin Sawa,
and Scott Barstow. See, I think the sound would go
better there.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Well, you also didn't name the movie yet.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Wild America. Thanks for putting that together, Corey. All right,
this is the film. The cover of the film, the
poster so serious, says, take a ride on the wild side,
and it has our young heroes. Child actors don't get
more coyly camera wise than Jonathan Taylor Thomas, the fifteen

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year old star and narrator of Wild America, a tepid
family adventure film whose grizzly bears appear only slightly more
threatening than giant stuffed animals. As Marshall Stofer the youngest
of three brothers growing up in Fort Smith, Arkansas, in
nineteen sixty seven. Thomas looks like a baby Brad Pitt
and acts as though he's been born and brought up

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on the MGM law in the nineteen thirties, then whisked
sixty years into the future with his Shirley Temple meets
Mickey Rooney mannerisms. Intact, all three lead actors in the
film have the kind of delicate looks that make Tiger
Beat readers go hummina, hummina, and their cute foxiness will
will have to be enough to drum up interest in
this movie. Those very words were published in The New

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York Times on July second, nineteen ninety seven, except for
the second sentence or the third, I should say, the
one that mentions tiger Beat. That's from a syndicated piece
published in the Saint Paul Pioneer Press the same day.
I included those words here only because I thought they
would be funny to pretend that they were my own
fool me that fell flat pez I liked it, hey.

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The premise of the film is fairly straightforward. Three brothers
whose father has spent a lifetime lying to one of
them about his ability to fly an airplane, decide to
drive across the country in search of a cave full
of hibernating bears. They do this, as best I can tell,
in the middle of the summer. The oldest, Marty, is
a maniacal bully, dead set on making wildlife films so
he doesn't have to suffer the indignity of inheriting the

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family carburetor cleaning business. The middle brother, whose name I
do not recall, serves no real purpose. The youngest, played
by Jonathan Taylor Thomas I think, was named Marshall. Their
misadventures along the journey, most of which I'll admit from
this review, are partially explained by how bad their map is.
We only get a glimpse of it once, but it's
a bad map, although it's hard to explain why it's

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so bad without a visual aid. At some point, a
strangely proportioned moose carries Marshall into a river. The brothers encounting.
The brothers encounter Danny Glover, who makes an uncredited appearance
wearing antlers on his head. He tells them to go
look for a disfigured woman whose dead fiance was eaten
in the bear cave after the mean brother breaks the

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boring brother's leg as they take a tumble in the snow,
and then that brother immediately forgives the other while still
lying there in the snow with a broken leg. They
then see a woman in the graveyard, and the youngest
brother impressively remembers the disfigured woman's name as well as
that of her dead boyfriend, Judd, although she only refers
to him curiously as my jud and he also remembers

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the date of his death or was it his birthday,
which also was the day they were going to get married,
which stuck out to me as one of the stranger
little details in this film. Anyway, they follow the tracks
of the woman's horse to the bear cave, which is
oddly close to her home. They go in, the bears
wake up, and there's a lot happening all at once.
Then the brothers sing about mountain dew to put the

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bears back to sleep, when bats start shitting on them.
The resulting explosion of their flashlight stirs up the bats,
who seem to form part of the cave wall, so
when they fly away, there is now a hole in
the cave. That lets in light that wakes up the bears.
Why the boys don't try the Mountain dew jingle again
is not explained to the viewer because it worked so
well the first time. Then there's actually another hole in

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the cave that the youngest brother climbs out of. It
would seem that this cave would not be a very
good place to hibernate due to all of the holes.
Then someone else falls in the snow heard my review
gets scattered. The younger brother drives home and begins pretending
he was in an airplane. While pretending he was in
an airplane, he crashes the car. There's still thirty minutes

(40:02):
left in the film. This is the note I have here.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I had that same feeling.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Then there's another broken leg. The grumpy old dad breaks
his leg too, but the kid's broken leg is healed now.
And then the dad, who has a cigar in his
mouth well bedroom in the hospital, tells the family that
a guy in Pittsburgh will give them six bits apiece
for some auto parts that represent the family's emergency savings.
Jonathan Taylor Thomas fires up the plane that the dad
pretended he could fly, but the kid can actually fly it,

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and he imagines his dad in the backseat. When they
make amends with one another at the hospital. The boy
tells the viewer in a voiceover that he's never told
anyone what happened between him and his dad that day,
which is odd because you think everyone could tell that
they've forgiven one another. Describing this film made me like
it less.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Overall thoughts, I don't need to see this movie again.
I don't need to recommend this to anybody. I don't
think I watched this when I was a kid, obviously not.
I would have been five years old when it came out.
I'm a little surprised that I wasn't more familiar with
anything about the movie. And then I watched it, and
I was like, well, that's why I wasn't familiar. Nobody

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was like, really, parading this around is a great piece
of cinema from when I was a kid.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, Unless you watch this as a kid, it doesn't
have the same.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
You know, yeah vibe.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
There's a lot of elements that are difficult to believe
in the film.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Can I tell you some things I liked?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'd love to it's next in my prompt here.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
They had some real ass animals in the movie sometimes,
which was like here and there. Yeah, it's like a
hard thing to do is have like the owl. Initially
I was like, oh, that's a real it's kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, landing on Jonathan Taylor Thomas's arm without a glove on.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's right. And then it shows up in Valley of
the Gods of Arizona.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Later on.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oddly, I liked that the boys were filming Jackass thirty
years before. I was like that that should be the thought.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
My thought at that moment was, God, it was so
nice when like kids did this stuff and they couldn't
put it on the internet, so it didn't become their
entire personality.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Like the m eighties.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
In the pool.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh yeah, some good music I liked, you know, they
had Susie cbe by CCR. They had a magic carpet ride.
I just enjoyed the music they served me. And then
I enjoyed the scene where the two older brothers are
peeing upstream and John and the Taylor Thomas is filling
his canteen downstream.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yes, I enjoyed that, and then he and then he
gave it to them to drink. Yes, And it was
unclear I thought whether or not he was in on
the drink.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, I felt the same way.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I don't think they played that up enough.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
No, it seemed like he was. He was sort of
cheeky about it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah he did know.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, I liked that.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
That's the end of the list of the things I liked, Corey.
This brought back some serious nostalgia as I was. Yeah,
it came out when in ninety seven, so I would
have been nine. Probably didn't watch it right away, but
watched it, you know, fairly quickly. And I watched it
with my seven year old boy last night. He loved it,
and he loved it. There was scenes where I'm just like,
are you kidding me? Like when JTT gets picked up

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by the moose and it's very apparent that it's two dudes.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, was it a horse? There were two guys. There
are two guys just sort of skipping wearing a moose suit.
There's one there's one shot in particular where it's very
clearly just two guys in a brown bag holding a
moose head in front of them.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, and I was watching him. I looked over and
looked at my son Marshall, which is just fun too.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Oh Yeah, himself as the bullied younger brother.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
He loved hearing his name yelled a lot, and he's
loving it so and I'm like rolling my eyes and
he's just like in heaven watching this. And then when
it came to the Cave of a Thousand Bears or
ten Bears or whatever, ended up being same thing, super cheesy.
I don't know why or who came up with the
idea to bring in the fake bear costumes when they
had live bears.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, it was a weird mixture of robots and.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Taxi yeah, animatronics, real bears.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
It reminded me of this. I went to a Chuck
E Cheese as an adult, yes, and and it was
it was horrifying. I was like, how is this even?
How can a kid even withstand this overwhelming sensation of
just being surrounded by robots popping out of the wall.
But that's what it brought me back to.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Well, but again, his imagination was able to follow and
track the whole thing, and it was much more fun
to watch as a kid, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I think I think if I were to have
to show a movie to a child, this is not
a bad one to show. Like, there's nothing there's nothing
horrible about it. It's just like a series of sort
of bizarre scenarios involving wildlife caught on film and there's

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nothing offensive. It's it's just very campy. It reminded me
of The Sandlot, yes, in terms of the vibes just
but I think for me, one of the things I
like the best is it just harkens back to the
golden age of older brothers bullying younger brothers and no
one seeming to have any Like they're tying him to

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a chair and then hoisting him into a tree and
then cutting the rope and throwing fireworks on him, and
it's just it goes it's unremarkable to everyone. Or they're
dragging him around behind the truck. Although the college girls
college girls didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, no, they weren't impressed.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And Danny Glover, I think was probably my favorite part.
But like they shot a deer in the beginning of
the movie, I mean, like the crossbow I was in
the summer.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, the college girls were home for a christ summer break, right,
and then the brothers declared, they say, you can't hunt
with us DC if you're gonna do it the wrong way. Yeah,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, and and they're reading outdoor life, like I think
there were it was more true to like hunting and
fishing nostalgia than I would have would have guessed, you know,
like it was it wouldn't be made today in that
same way. Like in the nineties it was still sort
of like this is just traditional Americana. Sure, So I

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don't know. I think there's a lot of things I
found wrong with it, but ultimately like it's a harmless
piece of cinema that if you have kids that like
the outdoors, it would I think it would work.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, it's not for us. It's not for us to
be like, well, they got every single wildlife scene wrong
in this movie. They were in the Valley of the
Gods of Arizona and they encountered like an asiatic deer
who's getting haunted by a big great wife.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, the deer and then F four phantoms. And it
was so funny because when the planes came in, I
write down on my notepad F four phantoms, and then
Jonathan Taylor Thomas like two seconds later, four phantoms.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Wow you felt good there?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh, I mean there was no doubt in my mind.
It's such a distinctive, such a distinctive silhouette of an
air plane.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
But Phil, I had slacked you a picture. Could you
pull that up? When we were talking about the scene
of the Bears, I had to stop it in this way.
I had to stop it because of the clearly like
animatronic bear. But then also you see a cameraman or
like a boom mic, you see someone who's not supposed
to be in the shot holding something off to the side.

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That was a real treat to wild They.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Could have done without that.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
They were doing it.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I mean, like the Sandlot sort of stand by me.
It's also an age when like child actors are just
sort of there's no real depth to their performance, and
the brothers are just like snapping at each other. My
favorite part was he goes, he goes, I'm sorry, I
forgive you. I know it was an accident.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
After he breaks the leg, it does a great drop
job tromping through the snow with that broken leg.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, and then the cast is gone.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
The quick pitches were so small. Yes, the doctor goes
in the crutches and then come up to his waist
and he's like, have you used crutches before? And I
was like have you given crutches to a patient before?
Because these are clearly the wrong size.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
And the bear scene that was like climax one of four.
The movie had like four climaxes.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
The alligator chase, the planes bombing them, the horse stampede,
and then the weird scene with the disfigured woman where
she pulls out like a portrait that was taken in
the nineties at at like a mall photo studio, even
though this is taking place in nineteen sixty seven, which
also bothered me because Steppenwolf's Born to Be Wild was
not at least the phone.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I did also personally enjoy seeing DC in the movie
the Redhead character because he was in two episodes of
Deadwood as the hotel clerk, and he becomes a very
pivotal part of the story because he craps his pants
because he was drunk, and he goes down to the
creek to wash the crap out of his pants, and

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while he's there, it's another pair of his pants that
he theorizes he'd left there from a past drunk incident
where he also crapped his pants and went to the
creek to wash them out, and in one of his
soiled breeches. He finds the last letter that wild Bill
Hiccock ever wrote, which sort of like propels us into
this new series of characters and bad guys. Right, So

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that's a role that DC plays in my favorite show ever,
dead Wood.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I just like that. There's sort of a trope thinking
of the Christmas Christmas story, there's this trope of a
bully who's who's actually just sort of incompetent, but he's
just a bully and it's a guy with red hair.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
That hits hard.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, I'm like, God, maybe I'm not a unique individual.
Clearly I had a past life somewhere.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
You were destined to be a bully.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
But like Scott Farcas and that guy, I feel like
came out of the same gene pool.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I could feel after that, my son and I will
probably go down the wild America. Marty Staufer rabbit Hole, Oh.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
During the credits when they play actual footage from what
I assume is is Marty's documentary work, it's phenomenal. It
is so charming. I love that.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
And he's in the film somewhere. I think, Oh, I
think I was.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Watching for that, But I didn't. I never saw him,
and I was like, oh, there's Marty.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I deleted this line. Or I shouldn't say I deleted.
I just didn't read it said. If you like The Sandlot,
if you like Forrest Gump, if you like Wild Animals
or Danny Glover, you'll enjoy this lighthearted romp. If you
like Marty Stoffer, you probably won't like this film because
it makes him seem like a really bad guy. Yes,
I've never like seen a story that's like the true

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story of this beloved figure. Yea, and the guy who's
playing him is just sort of like the asshole, the.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Older brother gotta be tough.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, yeah, I don't feel like he's really redeemed.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Or if your name is Marshall and you're seven years old,
yes you'll love this movie. It might might be calm
a little bit of your personality.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I gotta watch out for those late nineties PG movies
because there's a few curse words in there which he
looked at me after every single one.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
But if you watch this show, you're used to that.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, that's good. He needs he needs exposure.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Oh, he gets plenty of it.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
He listens going into second grade. He's gonna be using forfanity.
That's like a pirate.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
How we do with Phil?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Should we move on to the next segment or do
you need more information about Wild America.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
I think I'm satisfied.

Speaker 8 (51:27):
Phil.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Can you tell me like something about Jonathan Taylor Thomas,
just anything, like what your memory is of him in
the nineties, he would be in like a child actor
tier of like to Panga maybe keenan.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Oh, Jonathan lip Nikki he was big bell yeah, I
mean like I mean j T T not because unlike
lip Nikki, he was a heart throb too. No offense
to Niki, but he had that I mean that whole
tiger bee waka waka whatever you said over there, pamaahamana.
The waka waka is Fozzy Bear.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Hayley, Joel Osmon. He'd be like in that tier. I
feel like of nineties child star.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Well, I mean yeah, JTT had trouble breaking out of
TV though.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, I mean improvement well, Tom and Huck Yeah played
like I I just think it's it's unconscionable that we've
been talking about JTT this whole time without acknowledging the
cultural masterpiece that is Home Improvement, and he's joined by
another three named child star Zachary ty Bryan on that show,

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Who's the dufast with the blonde hair?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Let's not forget JTT was Simba.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh that's right. Yeah, and god, he does look like
a legitimate child of Brad Pitt, doesn't he. That's not
my thought, that's just Devin.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Devin Sawa also had big team beat energy. I think
they like this movie. The casting was definitely I think
purposeful and trying to get that those thirteen year old girls.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Phil has everybody dropped out of the chat? Oh no,
we haven't lost anybody.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
I think. I think the Star viewership is actually at
its peak right now.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Oh God, God, better keep this going.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
That's good. Let's roll on into the top three.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
See, wouldn't it be coolf we just had like a
light show going on? Yes it would where. This is
why we need a new studio because people who are
just listening to this, they're probably like, Okay, I'll sit
through this stupid song for fifteen seconds. But people who
are watching are just watching Randall Spencer and Corey stare
at their computer.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Sorry, I used to do the dance thing, you know.
I used to dance along, and I feel like that
bit is run its course and I like to just
enjoy the music.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Okay, I get that.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I don't have any text prepared to introduce this segment.
But Top three is where we rank our top three
of things in a certain category, although we're doing a
new spin on that today where we each got to
choose our own category.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yes, in the past we were all ranking from the
same thing. And then Jannis and I about went to
fisticuffs over a topic, and so we said, here, here's
the solution. We're all just going to bring our own
list freestyle on subject. Phil included, Phil is going to
do once that's right, and I asked him to really
fill it up today. So I'm excited to hear whatever
he has.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
And I really struggled with with this assignment. I like
to have clear orders, marching orders. So Phil, you can
bring up my number one or my number three. O.
This works, Oh good, this is this is my number three.
And I had a hard time going back to your list.
I'll get I was gonna go with my favorite fishing

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hats of all time, and so I started going through
my list my photos of fishing, and then I thought
I could sort of combine that with the three worst
photos of me holding a fish. So this is a
photo of me floating the Missouri River breaks in the
summer of two thousand and eight, and I I'm gonna

(55:08):
go with the why it's a bad picture. The shirt
is terrible. It's a terrible fishing shirt. I got it
at bass Pro Shops. I think I wore it on
that trip. And you know it's filled with clay gumbo mud.
My eyes are closed, which also makes it a bad picture.
On the On the good side, I love that hat.

(55:30):
It's a bass Pro Shops camo hat and a mossy
oak pattern of some sort.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Walking billboard and mast pro.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah since sting up Cincinnati kid when that thing opened,
Oh you couldn't get me off. I two seventy five.
But that hat I wore for number of summers staining
decks for a company called pro Clean, and so it
is covered. I started. I never liked to bring the
rags when I start out, I get the roller in

(55:57):
the brush and never bring a wet rest. So I
started wiping my my deck stain with that hat. So
that hat ended up weighing like three pounds. It was
solid you could have taken a knife and it wouldn't
go through the fabric. It was just coated with layer
upon layer upon layer of deck stain.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Really nice and breatheable for a summer fishing.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Oh it was. It was incredible. It was incredible.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
A helmet.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
And then the final note I have on why this
picture is bad is I'm just really fat in it
and it's a bad angle for my cheeks and neck.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I can't tell it's the pocket in that shirt that
makes it look obviously.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, clearly. Probably it's probably a can of grizzly winter green.
And yeah, the eyes closed. Stupid haircut. I couldn't grow
a beard yet. I've been hiding. I've spent the rest
of my life hiding from that version of me.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Nice smally though.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, oh that's a great trip. Every island we hit
would would pull the boat over and get to the
tail of the island, just chuck like rattle traps and
stuff and hammered smallmouth and it's a great trip.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Randall's his favorite person, Nabuli is himself.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, well, I mean, what's life all about other than
doubting your own worth? Picture number two, Yes, this I
couldn't get this.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Isn't a bad picture at all.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Well, there's two things about it that make it bad.
One is that I'm making the same face as the fish,
and then two, my sweatshirt looks like the fish. Okay,
so I don't think there's nearly enough contrast in there.
But this also, that hat is a Carhart beanie. I
still own it today. I've probably owned it for almost

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twenty years.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You're probably the reason Carhart hats are back in style.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, well, probably not that things so stretched out. There's
not an ounce of elastic to it. Just pulled it
over this head so many times. But I do like
that photo. We were catching berbot on on jugs, on
fixed lines like limb lines and jugs, and got back

(58:01):
to the lodge and made ourselves a nice little Bourbot dinner,
I think the day before I flew out that summer.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
I love.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
A lot of synergy going on there with it making
the same face as a fish, wearing the same pattern
as a fish.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. I just had to
include it. Then the last one, Phil, if you'll, if
you'll indulge me here, Yeah, this is a good one.
Oh wow, ugly. That's a real ugly fish. That's a
spawned out male pink salmon. Big old dip in my
lips so that my head, my face is crooked to
the right side and then the hat is offset to

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the left side there. That's probably two thousand and ten,
two and nine. We bought those mountain dew hats at
the Walmart in Wasilla, Alaska. One time. We're driving out
to go to the lodge, and before we got on
the boat, we stopped at Walmart and we all bought
matching mountain dew hats and warm for summer. So that

(58:56):
was also a hat part of my collection. But just yeah,
I'm I mean, the face is weird, the glasses are weird.
It's sort of that old style of glasses that was
more like a swim goggle. And then the hair poking
out the sides of the hat. It's just a bad
look all round.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
So plus it's a gross spawnd aut humpy.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That's a good picture. You supposed that on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Rand Oh, I've got I showed Corey a little bit
of the archive. I've got some I've got some weird ones,
bad fishing pictures.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Probably really tough to pick the top.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Between Randall's drummis and Spencer's numbies. I'm having a really
hard times awards the.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Nice well that that concludes my top three top three
fishing hats I've owned, slash Top three worst pictures I've
taken with a fish pretty good.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Who's next, Randall.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Corey's next?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Okay, well this is not going to be nearly as fun,
but I'm proud of these. This is my top three
favorite hunting camp meals that I enjoy making for a
group of buddies. If I'm going and solo, I'll eat
whatever freeze dried meals. But if I got a group
of buddies day four, day five into a hunt, I
like to make something big and scroucious, you know. Let's see.

(01:00:11):
So my number three, I hope I have this in
the right order, would be campfire nachos. Oh and this photo,
if you're watching, is some poled bear meat. I believe
it came off the rear shank of a black bear
I killed a couple of years ago. This cooked in
a Dutch oven. You just throw everything in, all your
nacho toppings, throw the lid on, put some coals on top.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Of it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
You could do it on the stovetop too, but it works.
It's a lot more fun over a fire. Let the
cheese melt, let the meat reheat, and then you can
go on top with your pickled halapanos, your salsas, your tomatoes,
what have you. Very easy, it's usually a crowd pleaser.
You just stick that in between your chairs and just go,
oh man, that is a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Pretty photo. Martha Stewart would put that on our cover.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Well, that's why I took the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Okay, that was number three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Number two.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I've copied Jean Paul Bourgeoise duck In and Dewey pasta
laya pasta yaya pastaalaya recipe, which you can find on
the mediater website. Actually I butchered the name, so sorry
Jean Paul, but I don't duck hunt, so I use
multiple different types of red meats in this one. I've
made it years in the past. If you're watching, here's

(01:01:26):
a photo of me whipping this up for Giannis and
another friend of our of ours Mic on an archery
l hunt a couple of years ago. It's very hearty,
extremely easy to make. I'm using the same Dutch oven
Actually it's a GSI aluminum Dutch oven that's just with
me anywhere I go. It's usually just in the back
of my truck. But it's got noodles, it's got multiple

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types of meat and dewey sausage and whatever polled meat.
His recipe calls for duck. But again, I've done bear.
I think I've done mule deer, a polled meat variety.
You cook all that down with some mushrooms, some onions,
some garlic, and then you add a little bass of
some sort bowlyon cuban water if.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
You have to. How does this picture?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
So thank you for bringing that up, because after that meal,
this is the next day. I called this bowl in
for Yanni, whether he wants to admit it or not,
and he shot this thing at forty five yards.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
You fed him and you called in his bowl. That's
basically your elk Corey.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Ooh yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Don't know about that, but this is that was a
memorable hunt, and we had some full bellies. That was
probably at seven PM, and I bet we were still
well fed and comfortable at that point the next day.
But I mean, make that pasta pasta laya. I should
have looked this up how you say it and look
what can happen to you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Good vibes, Yeah, good vibes from that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
That was number two. Number one is walking tacos.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Oh this is you take this phone?

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
No it is not my photo. Stole it off of
Google Images. Hopefully they're not watching. But I wish I
would have take this the photo because last weekend my
wife and I and our neighbor couple took out our
families on a camp float on the Yellowstone and this
was our meal that we made. It's so easy. We
actually heated up some ground elk burger and threw it

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in with We had a plethora of choice chips for
the kids to choose from, and then we had all
the toppings laid out. So if you have picky eaters,
if you have you know, folks who don't want lettuce,
don't want a certain type of chips, whatever, you can
just make it on your own and it's your own
little bag of goodness. You just make sure you bring
a fork with you because it's very simple, takes up

(01:03:36):
some space.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Do you use the nacho cheesers or do you like
to vary your your base?

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
I like the cool ranch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, the whole blue bag.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
I believe the original would be Fredo's, but yeah, you
can go wild. You got to go to the gas
stations to get the medium sized bagg of chip.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That's not the hot was. I had a couple of
critiques of your list there, and one of the ones
was that the walking nachos wouldn't be good unless you
had a giant bag Jims.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
The medium bag from the gas station.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah, nobody in a group would be disappointed to see
Corey making walking taka. Yes, geez, good number one, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
All right, it's my turn, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah, let's do it. All right, this is a well
organized segment, and to turn my computer.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
It's good. So my top three are the top three
video game characters that would taste good after a few
hours on the show, right, perfect, alright, So.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
It's a beautiful, beautiful Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
So, first off, we have the rat King from the
Last of Us Part two. There are some pros and constanties.
I'm not going to say these would all be perfect,
but the pros of the For those who are listening
and don't know, the rat King is like a big,
kind of squishy zombie monster made up of a bunch
of different Cordyceps monsters that were you know, infected by
this brain virus that turned them all into crazy mushroom people,

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and those came together to make this abomination. Pros would
feed a whole family for months, you know, basically like
carvesing a mouse, but probably more meat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah, look at all the shanks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It looks like there's a lot of bone in it too,
though with all of the limbs.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Uh yeah, I mean we would be diving into uncharted
territory here, we'd be doing a lot of you know,
experimenting exploration. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Let's see these kind.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Of like fat pop pockets, these pustules there, you know,
still a lot of food. Another pro already has a
nice char on it after dispatching it with a flamethrower,
So you're already just you're kind of halfway there. Sure,
con you may contract a Cordyceps brain infection, which you
know is not ideal, but you know, there are risks

(01:05:43):
with everything, so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Maybe just smoke it to what one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you just get that temp up,
you're probably you're probably fine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
My familiarity with the rat King is Dennis Duffy telling
Liz Lemon on thirty Rock about the Rat King and
how it's all the rats in the subway system that
have fused together to create the Oh spooky.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
This is kind of a deep cut. The next one
is going to be the Orphan of Costs from Blood Born.
As we all know, let's say it together. The Orphan
of Costs is the stillborn child of an elder god
that was worshiped by fishermen. Sorry, okay, now this one
might be confusing you if you're watching it home, because
you can see that the actual humanoid figure here is

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doesn't look too appetizing, mostly skin and bones, but he
famously uses a placent his placenta, as his weapon. You
can see him holding it right here. Yes, I think
I would want to put that placenta on the smoke. Okay, yeah, pros.
So he is a stillborn child of an elders god
who knows what kind of sort of supernatural cosmic eldridge

(01:06:44):
powers You might inherit by consuming it's his placenta. But
you know, as we know from Yannis, the placenta is
filled with nutrients like iron and B twelve and also
is rumored not rumored, you know, it's it's there's I mean,
there's no evidence. We'll call it a rumor that it
helps the mother recover after when you consume the placenta,
cons you could be trapped in a nightmare plane of

(01:07:05):
existence from consuming the blood gods.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Totally different direction than I thought.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Number two, that's number two. Number one. Is Yoshi.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
About to make the joke. I was about to make
this very joke. Phil. I'm glad you got us back there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Yoshi.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Of course, the dinosaur mount from the Super Mario franchise
pros of eating Yoshi. He eats a clean diet of
sweet apples. That's the only thing he eats. You know,
I don't know how that would affect the meat, you know, tenderness, flavor, mouthfield.
But how about like how about animals that are fed
like a clean vegetarian diet, right, you know that's that's

(01:07:42):
probably what you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
A bear hunter like Corey would tell you that a
bear who's been eating berries is far superior to a
bear that's been eating dirty That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
I do wonder with all the goombas and the koopa
troopas that he eats and regurgitates, if that would mess
with anything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Well, he's not actually processing, right. I wonder if that
kind of spits them. Sometimes they spit him out into
an egg. I don't know how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, Phil, I thought you're gonna go with like Sonic
the Hedgehog, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Well, see there's some there's some cheats here, because there
are some there are some pokemon that just our food.
Like there's a Pokemon that's just an apple pie with legs,
and I you know, that's kind of cheating. I'm not
gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
What's the name of the is it Blanca, the character
from Street Fighter?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Yeah, the Big, the Big? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
What are the cons fill of eating Yoshan?

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
There are no con no cons. He's listening, he's you
don't have to listen to him, just to just jabber
on whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
The This has been a delightful mashup.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Do have some honorable honorable mentions here, of course, the
metroid from Super Metro both Banjo and Kazoo, and the
raccoon Tom from Animal Cross. He's a he's a piece
of ship landlord who's always trying to squeeze you for
everything you're you're working for.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
And he's plump. He'd have some good cuts of meat.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
One exactly, and you know Raccoon's Clay would be excited
to the cookout.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You get awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Good call.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Oh Phil, You're a real gem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
That was perfect, Phil, You'd filled it up as much
as I was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Qu Spencer. Here, you're last.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I'm last. Apologies in advance. I'm going to take this
very seriously. My list is the top three state game
agency logos. So once I pulled all fifty, then I
was like, why, I now have an obligation to myself
to do this right and make a critical judgment on
who has done this the best. Please pull them up, Phil,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Number three here is Alabama. Alabama's logo is just so authentic.
I'd say it's like the most authentic game agency logo.
It looks like it was designed in nineteen eighty nine
by a guy who hunts deer and owns a bass boat.
It looks vintage, like your dad would be part of
a hunting club that had this exact logo on a

(01:09:54):
hat that you would like fight your brother for in
the will. I would want to own a hat with
that patch on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
It on a nylon windbreaker green wreak exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Now, it's not even good design work like no professional
would produce this logo today, but that's also what makes
it so dang cool. I love it. I see this
logo and I'm like, Yep, that's Alabama. That's what they're
all about. White tails, largemouth mass and a patriotic bald eagle.
So Alabama is my number three, specifically the Alabama Wildlife

(01:10:25):
and Freshwater Fisheries Division. That's my number three.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
The eagle was well placed too. It looks like he's
just about to snag that bass.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Number two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Number two is Alaska, the Alaska Fishing Game. Alaska's logo
is really aesthetically pleasing. The color scheme of baby blue
and turquoise, it's just super unique. It feels very Alaska
to me, and it has a lot going on while
still being balanced. You've got a salmon, You've got a caribou.
There's a large bird that looks like it's either a
swan or a goose. So they've covered land, air, and water.

(01:10:58):
But to me, the real star of the show are
the actual stars. They have the Big Dipper and the
North Star and the logo, both of which are correctly
placed for how they appear in real life. And this
is also a nice nod to their flag, which is
just the big Dipper and the North Star. It's not
a coincidence that Alaska has one of the best state
flags and one of the best Game Agency logos. I

(01:11:21):
wish Montana's state flag was that coolte of just being
the seal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
You know, it was created with a competition among school
children to design the new state flag.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
In Alaska, Yep, I did not know that. I love
that little wrinkle. Good for Alaska. Their logo, it's just perfect,
and their flag is awesome. If I lived in Alaska,
I would fly that flag everywhere. It would be a
core part of my personality. It'd be on my house,
it would be in my office. Good on Alaska. They
crushed it nicely done.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
All right. Number one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
If you've listened to trivia since the beginning, this will
be no surprise, But it is Missouri. I've made this
declaration before and I'll say it again. Missouri has the
best Game Agency logo in the country. I like that
it's the only state with a triangle logo. It's one
of two logos that has a raccoon, the other being Tennessee.
It's one of seven logos that has a bass, and

(01:12:14):
I would say that looks specifically like a small mouth,
in which case it would be one of two states
that has a small mouth, the other being Indiana. And
it's also the only logo with an oak leaf. I
just really appreciate that Missouri is giving a nod to
a raccoon and an oak tree. In fact, I think
would be stronger if they just got rid of that
bass in there, but I won't be too picky. And

(01:12:35):
similar to what I liked about Alaska in Alabama, it
just feels very authentic to Missouri. It works. It's the
perfect logo for that state. I mean, but a trying
argument a triangle really well, if every state had a
trying star trek it would be different. But them being
the state with a triangle logo, good on Missouri for

(01:12:57):
having something unique.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Gotcha. I won't, I won't, I won't, no complaint.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
I have some honorable mention though, that we'll get to here. Vermont,
the Vermont Department of Fish and Wildlife Vermont's logo. It
feels like a family crest that English royalty would have.
It's the oldest looking logo of all the state game
agency logos. It seems like it should be on a
suit of armor that a knight is wearing. I really

(01:13:23):
like what Vermont has going on there. Then there's the
Pennsylvania Game Commission. I love that it has what appears
to be a muskrat hut in it. I love that
it has their state flower, the Mountain Laurel. That's that's represented.
But what's really satisfying is that the whitetail buck there
is a two and a half year old eight pointer.
It's not an aspirational one hundred eighty inch booner made

(01:13:47):
for the cover of magazines. It's just a standard buck
that is barely graduated from being a basket rack. And
this is the type of deer that I just associate
with the big woods of that part of the country
that gets killed by a lot of folks. I really
like Pennsylvania's logo. And then the other honorable mention here
is the Delaware Division of Fish and Wildlife. Delaware's logo

(01:14:08):
is famously weird. It's a Canada goose and what I
believe is a weakfish, and their position in such a
way that it looks like the goose is carrying the weakfish.
I just like how absurd that logo is and it's
it's so bad that it's good now. Sadly, that logo
was replaced in twenty twenty one by a new logo
that's very sterile and forgettable. The new logo just looks

(01:14:31):
like it'd be for a city parks department. It sucks,
so Delaware went backwards with that logo.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
It looks like an anti pollution initiative. It does. My
first reaction to the original one is that it looks
like they started with just the fish in there, and
they're like, shit, there's a lot of empty space and
we just chuck something in there, but don't change the
replacement or the size of the fish for God's sake, crucial.
Second thing, go over it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
It has a Canada goose carrying a weak fish, which
just tickles me. So those are the top game agency
logos Missouri, Alaska, Alabama.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
That was fun, well done, well done. We should probably
do that again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Yeah, I like that. I think the come up with
your own category is a real winners, real winning segment
if you will. Well, Phil, it's time we dive back
into that strange, strange world that is the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Let's see what folks we've come to that part of this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Sure folks have had to say about this madness.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Get some more questions in. We only have a couple
right now, and I will read one of them now.
Jackson says Randall. If you could bring back a historical
figure to life and go on a backwoods hunting trip
with them, who would it be and what would you
hunt for?

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
A cool question?

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Hmm, this might take some thought. Here for a second,
you can talk through it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I'll answer a different version of this question. A person
who's not dead that I'd like to fish with. Jeremy Wade.
I love Jeremy Wade. I just respect everything about his
show and how he fishes. I watched every episode when
I was a kid, all the way through college. A
big fan of Jermy Wade. But Randall's bringing someone back

(01:16:15):
from the dead and hunting with.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I'm struggling here. I'm really struggling too many people. Yeah, well,
I mean, like the obvious one's t R. But then
I'm like, h, I don't know. Is he a nice guys?
What's it like sharing a camp with him? He's a
large man. Wouldn't share a tent? You need a lot
of bags, chips, boy, I mean, I feel like I've

(01:16:41):
lost all my momentum with this question. Jackson thinking about this.
Let's go for one second and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Come back to it. Uh, you know, just to make
the people upstairs happy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
It's embarrassing for live.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
One piece of First Light Year. What would it be
if you could only have one?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
WHOA, but we can have like the other clothes on,
stuff that we'd wear, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'd go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I know what it is. It's the the Chamberlain jacket.
It's like it's like a sleeping bag. Don't own another
jacket that's that warm and for hunting big game in
the West and just glassing somewhere in the wind or
sitting on a mountaintop when it's early November. Chamberlain jacket

(01:17:35):
goes with me everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Yeah, I'm still in summer mode, so I'm thinking about
my favorite things from First Light in summer. Number one
I've worn it all spring and all summer is the
flash Storm jacket. That is their lightweight raincoat. It's six
point five ounces. It performs really well in rain. It's
also light enough that I'll throw it on if the

(01:17:56):
bugs are bad, if I need to keep mosquitoes off
of me. I am a huge fan of that, that
flash storm, and it's it's cheap as far as raincoats go.
It's listed at one hundred and eighty five right now.
If I had one hundred and eighty five dollars to
spend it first light, that's what I would spend it on.
That's like going to be my go to raincoat for
a long, long time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Big fan. Hm gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I don't know if anybody's in this room has tried
our new socks, but they're pretty bomber. Gotta have a
good pair of socks. Our midweight Marino sock over the calf,
so there's no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Sim pair of socks is mission critical.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah, we have great jackets, great pants, great underwear.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You're taking this too far.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
I'm wearing their underwear right now. Wash out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
What do we got, Phil?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I don't remember. I'm just trying to avoid the dumb
questions for me, So I don't remember if you guys
specifically have talked about this, but for the media to crew,
what hunts do you have planned for the fall? Some
of you might have shared. I think I've asked this before,
but I think Brody was there might have been somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
But I've got standard Montana generals, I've got a Montana
prong horn tag, and I've got to do a mule
deer hunt in Idaho and that should keep me busy.
He's gonna be a busy little uh mid October November

(01:19:16):
stretch there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Congrats on the prong horn tag. Those are hard to
come by these days.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Well, we struck out last year, so the Williams family.
I feel like we weren't old, but I feel like
it was. I spent a lot of time thinking about
the next prong horn tag here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
You know it worked.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
I haven't drawn pronghorn three years in a row. Now
they don't give them to Montana natives anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Yeah, like why would they?

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
I just have general deer in general elk Oh, and
I do have an extra cow tag this year. So
all goes well, it'll be an overflowing freezer by Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
That's exciting. Now, Spencer's got a lot I have.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I have deer tags in five states, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska,
and Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
So my first deer hunt will be early October in
Idaho and my last dear hunt will be early to
mid December in Illinois with my other three states between there.
Very excited.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Mm hmm, Phil, without you know, giving away any episodes
of media or trivia that might have been filmed already,
Lance says, as a randomal I need to know what's
up with the trivia slump, Lance Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Well, Lance, there's a there's a short answer, there's a
longer answer. The short answer would be everybody's got a
bad day or two here or there, and sometimes they
string together five six weeks in a row. Uh huh.
The longer answer is that the past like month and
a half, we've been working to finish up the next audiobook,

(01:20:51):
and my entire faculties mental, physical, have all been depleted significantly.
So rest assured. The old Doctor's back on his horse.
So stay tuned. Now that that project's wrapped up, I
think we're gonna get back in the swing of thing. Okay,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Randall was injured and now he's at full health.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Well not quite full health, thirty nine years old and
sliding to the grave maybe head first. But you know,
we're doing what we were doing a couple months ago.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
He's back, are you guys, archery?

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Guys in here Nope, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
There's a question a while ago. It's pretty basically. It's
basically like single pin versus them, multipin, multipin if you
have a preference, Because they were saying that adjusting pins
maybe when you're drawn or trying not to distract or
anything like that, is would that be a problem. Is
that a problem for you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Well, I've used them both for sure, and single pin
just gets you into trouble more. Taking that extra second
to have to move your hand up to your site
to dial in to adjust that one single pin can
be that half second that you needed to be a
little faster. So I have four pins that I don't
adjust at all, Just aim and shoot beautiful, Gotta be quick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
There's also hybrids. If you weren't torn, you could get
a three pin where your top one is the floater
that you dial with and your other two are fixed
until you have fixed yardages out to say twenty thirty forty,
and if you have to go beyond that, then that's
when you would dial YEP to each their own on
that one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
We can wrap it up there. But just for I
didn't mean to say the dumb questions people ask me,
like the questions are dumb. Oh, I just I it
makes me uncomfortable to address that. You don't want to
talk about Demon Escape.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Demon still Birth again.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I would talk about that all day if I had
the opportunity, but I don't think I do. But just
to fire them off, Leland, I see you, I hear you.
The Red Dead redeentrance stream is still TVD. It is happening.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
When am I going to play Dungeons and Dragons with
the people here. I will force multiple people in this
room to play D and D with me soon.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I've been asking you to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
You're You're gonna have no choice.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Yeah, the tables have turned from Phil requesting us to
play to us requesting him to host the game. It's
gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Yeah, and we we will find just as a as
a sneak peak of something you may never see, We're
gonna find out once and for all what happened to
Steve's fish. I'll just I'll leave it at that. Very
good and that's pretty much it. If you guys, I mean,
this is this is a good show, a hefty show man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I feel like we could have sort of had a
thin lineup but we we really squeezed all the juice
out of each segment and it was a rich text
that I'm sure we'll go down in this podcast history.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Yep, that was a great show.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Well, gang, thanks for joining always, Pleasure and Phil, thank you,
Corey Spencer, thank you, and we'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Fine now

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