Ep. 752: The American Chestnut and Fishing Infomercials | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Brody Henderson, and Seth Morris talk with the American Chestnut Foundation's Jared Westbrook about the "near mythical" tree, chat about their favorite First Lite gear to commemorate the Season Opener Sale, play another round of MeatEater Price is Right, and host previous 1-Minute Fishing winner Pat Durkin to see if he can repeat the magic of his first appearance.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.

(00:25):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time,
that's one pm for our friends in Howard, Pennsylvania on Thursday,
August twenty first, and we're live from Mediater HQ and Boseman.
I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Seth and Brody.
On today's show, we'll interview Jared Westbrook from the American
Chestnut Foundation. Then we'll be reviewing some gear that's currently

(00:48):
on sale, followed by the Price is Right, and finally
we'll be joined by Pat Dirkin in Minnesota for one
minute fishing. But first, Seth and Brody give me an
Alaska recap. Very jealous.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
It always is, I would say, in the seven years
I've been going there with my family. This was the
worst year weather wise and rough seas wise. It two
or at least two maybe three days. We couldn't even
get out to like the good halibut spots yep. So
you know that's part of it. You know you're gonna

(01:23):
have weather. But we still scratched out plenty of fish
and everybody had fun.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Not the worst fishing in your seven years of going
there though, No, when we could.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Get out it was good.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, some things were not so good this year, like salmon.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah yeah. Normally we put up a lot of silvers,
but the silver run either hadn't started or it was
just a really weak run this year.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Tell me about this picture we're.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Looking at that is a silver gray rock fish, and
one normally when we get them there like yeah big,
maybe sixteen inches is a decent one. And I we
dropped down on a rocky spire for ling cod, and
that thing came up and we thought, like when it

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was coming up from one hundred feet down, we thought
it was a big link cod. And it turns out
it was a giant silver gray. I didn't weigh it.
The world record is sixteen pounds, and that thing is
I don't know. It felt like picking up a jake
turkey like so, I don't know thirteen Oh yeah, it
was scaling. The boat was like this. It was giant.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
It was a big fit. It was the biggest one
I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Would le keep We kept it? Oh yeah, it's in
the freezer.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay, So, like, are the gut still in it?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, no, it's it's delayed.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
But now I'm so curious about to wait, I know,
but you know nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
So yeah, that was like probably my fish and highlight
other than putting the kids on a bunch of fish.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
And uh, when you were reeling that in, what do
you think it was?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It was like I thought it was a big link
cod because normally it was rockfish. They'll give a few
headshakes and then they come up pretty easily, and that
thing was just dig in and it pulled line a
couple of times, pulled drag a couple of times, and
you can see color coming up from a long ways
down and I was like, yep, it's a big link cod.
And Andy See's buddy was in the boat from me,

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He's like, I knew it hit as soon as it like,
I digged that hit bottom, jigged at once and it
was on. But then I was like, holy shit, that's
a giant silver gray. So that was cool.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Is the world record also Alaska's state record? Did it
come from?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I didn't look at that. It came from Alaska, though,
so I'm assuming it's also the state record.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Some other highlights are my wife, I was not in
the boat thankfully when this happened. But my wife got
a seventy eighty pounder halibit up to up to the
surface and like as she's fighting it. She was in
Andy's boat and and Steve kind of rushed into the

(04:08):
scene and took over and jumped.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
In the boat. That's when everything went to ship ill.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I heard as it went to total chaos when Steve
shut up anyway, got wrapped around the anchor line and
they're trying to they're hand lining it in like it
was all looking like it might happen. But Steve said
that the halbit dodged the harpoon and and the fish

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got off.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I was I was in a different boat about I
don't know, one hundred yards away when this was all
going out watching it. I could tell that that his
wife Carrie was onto something big. So I got my
binoculars out. I was watching it all happen through my binoculars.
Finders yep, that's right, and Steve. I see Steve coming.

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He he's like, what's going on? You catch anything? I said,
they're they're into something big over there. So he of
course goes over there as quick as he can. And uh,
I'm watching my binoculars, and I see him get the harpoon,
and I'm like, and I could tell like carry has
something big on.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Steve gets on the boat.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Steve gets on their boat, grabs the harpoon, and I
see him like throw the harpoon and then like he
picks the harpoon up, throws it at the bottom of
the boat and then crosses his arm.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm like, that ain't good, no, no, but enough picking
on Steve. It was, it was. It was a good trip.
And that kind of thing happens with big halibit. But
I'll tell you what, like, if you want to catch
a big halbit, you end up in a fish shack
and you want to get a big one, this is
the guy to go with. Because he was putting all
kinds of people on big hell.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, we got some good ones this year.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
What have that been the big one of the trip?
That fish?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
They were all like when they get away, they are
the biggest.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Steve's boy Jimmy was in my boat and he got
an eighty pounder, and then his daughter was in the
boat the day before she got a sixty. I had
what I believed to be between a seventy to eighty
to the boat, and there was a little mishap with
the harpoon again with my wife run in the harpoon Kelsey,

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and then my dad had one on that we never
saw it, but it drug us around for quite a
while and then it got off.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Give me a cabin update.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Cabin's looking good.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
We got on this trip. We we wired the place
and got a roof on the back porch.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, no, it looks great man.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Better than ever, better than.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Ever, like even better than prior to the Christmas tree
coming to.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
It looks brand new from the outside.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's beautiful. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, there's still a lot to do.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But how many hours do you think you spent on
this trip? You were there for what a week?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Two weeks?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Two weeks? How many hours in that two weeks when
you hammer it away on the cabin?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, I don't know. A few good days, like all
day for the most part, working on it to eight
hour shifts more probably more once it's all some I
mean some days when we'd fish the morning and I
just work on the It's like I wasn't just working
on one project the whole time. There's like kind of

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a bunch of things going on and then just like
little stuff cleaning up, you know, stuff around the cabin
or fixing little things, and you know it's just it's
just I could honestly go up there and work on
it for two weeks straight and not fish at all.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, but Phil, do we got uh do?
We got Steve's dispatch an octopus video watch till the end.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
There.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
We just watched Steve Biden to the would you say
that's the head?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
The brain? Okay, yeah, chomping down on the brain. I
think I learned that from Kimmy Werner. I think something
is that how every octopus dies up there that you
guys keep.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't know about up there, but in Hawaii for sure. Yeah,
usually they turn they like immediately go a different color.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I was waiting for that thing to just go totally limp.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, maybe he didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Great those things come up in the shrimp pots though.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, don't get in there and eat all your shrimp
out of your pot.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, done with Alaska, then for the year, you won't
return till the spring.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Not till spring. Yeah. Unfortunately, unless I can squeeze in
a trip, I don't think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
What's gonna be the big project next year.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Outdoor shower. They got a couple of pilings we got
to replace yet.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, is that outdoor shower going to be a game changer?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, just gets all the moisture and humidity from a
shower out of the cabin. The main thing up there
is moisture management. Yeah, I've come to find over the years,
because if you leave the place, when you button it
up for the year with moisture in there, you come
back with quite a bit of mold.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I was surprised to hear you saying that, like snow
just doesn't stick.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean from what I hear. I've never been up
there during the winter, but from what I hear, they'll
get like big dumps of snow and then it just
like melts.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Next, like that maritime climate, you know, like the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's just yeah, snow's one day. Rains the next type
of thing.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And you said thirteen feet of precipitation annually.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
We got thirteen feet while there.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
It rained a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Ye still brought home some good fish and a potential
world record.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
No, well I don't think it was a world record.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, you didn't weigh it, so no, never know. All right,
let's get on with the show. Joining us on the
line first is Jared Westbrook, the director of Science from
the American Chestnut Foundation. He's here to talk about restoring
this once plentiful tree. Jared, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Hello everyone.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
First thing, Jared, take us back in time and tell
us about when things were good for the American chestnut.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Well, chestnuts and their relatives have been around in North
America for forty million years and where you all are
in Montana, they used to live out there in Idaho
and Colorado. Chestnut fossils have been found in Tennessee, some
of the oldest ones. And they used to like as

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the ice age came down, like in thirteen thousand years ago,
they went all the way down into Florida, and then
slowly over the last two thousand years they moved up
into like New England.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
And people use them.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Native Americans like would burn the forest create openings. The
chestnuts would be plentiful source of food. And then when
European sellers came over here, we you know, collected nuts
by the trainload and ship them up to the cities.
New York City Baltimore. People sold them on the street corners.

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They made more money off of chestnuts and they did
off of farming, So it was a source of livelihood
for people. And before and after, I mean during that time,
people brought over Chinese chestnuts and we can talk about
the blight next.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, today the USDA refers to the American chestnut as
a quote near mythical species. So what happened?

Speaker 5 (11:44):
So the chestnuts used to be in you know, North
Carolina where I live, in the Smoky Mountains, like you could,
there's like reports of people being able to walk their
cows into the inside of the trees and walk around
like they're that big. So they're huge, you know, old

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growth stands of these in the Smoky Mountains and then
up into the throughout the Appalachians. And in nineteen oh four,
actually earlier people were brought over like Japanese chestnuts and
Chinese chestnuts because they were bred for having large nuts
to eat, and they brought them over and they did
not know that a fungus was on those trees. And

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this fungus attacks the bark of the tree and then
they die from the top of the tree dies, but
they still live.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
From their roots.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
But right now, there was like four billion trees on
the East coast. Now there's probably a few hundred million
that are left, but they're sitting in the understory of
the forest. Like if you're walking around the woods in
the Appalachian Mountains, you might see them. They have the blight,
but they don't really flower and reproduce, so they're no

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longer evolving on their own living as a tree as
they once were.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now i've seen your organization refer to them as functionally extinct.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Why that label, because they're not actually extinct, like in
the sense that there's no chestnuts out in the landscape.
They're actually kind of plentiful, especially around here in Carolina
and Western Carolina. But they don't reproduce. They'll grow up
like ten feet and then they get the blight and

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they die, and they're in this cycle of dying back
and then re sprouting from their roots over and over again.
So yeah, they're not really reproducing on their own. But
we can occasionally get on the side of the road
sometimes we'll find one. Some people will tell us like, oh,
there's a chestnut flowering, and we can get seeds from
those and breed those trees, but then they die from blight,

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so it's not like a permanent solution that they're reproducing
on their own.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Some estimates say they are fewer than one hundred mature
American chestnuts left in the wild. What can you tell
us about where those mature trees live and how they've
been able to survive the blight.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Yeah, we call them large surviving American chestnuts, and they're
extremely rare. Like I was saying, like there's hundreds of
millions left, but like there's a I know of a
few dozen. We have names for them, like ort There's
one tree in Pennsylvania, it's in someone's yard. It's called Ortz.
We have another tree in Virginia, Amherst Tree Erie, Pennsylvania.

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So we know these trees and they have the blight,
and they've been living with the blight probably since before
I mean when the original pandemic of the blake came through,
and they seem to have a slightly elevated resistance when
we've actually crossed those trees, like bred them together and
then we gave their kids the blight, and the kids

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have somewhat elevated resistance, but they're not super resistant themselves.
So they're kind of lucky trees, you could say, and
they have low levels of blight resistance.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
You guys do a lot of citizen science and you
ask people to fill out a tree locator form if
they think they've spotted an American chestnut. What are some
of the strangest places you've had confirmed trees?

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Well, some of the trees, you know, what's interesting is
like people brought Lewis and Clark, like the Loos and
Clark expedition brought chestnuts, or people brought them over the
Washington state, So like on the coast range in Washington,
there are chestnuts growing that don't have blight. So in
California and Washington, these are areas where strangely the blight

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hasn't come and these trees are mature. There's another tree
in Belgium that was brought over before the blight that's
maybe the largest tree in the world. It's like one
hundred and twenty feet tall, and so you can actually see,
you know, these trees that you can actually see how
the tree grows now are really rare, but the West

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Coast has some and Europe in our reedom has one.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
So if you.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Ever get out to to reove him our freedom in Belgium.
That's one place you could see in American.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Chestnut, Jared, has there been any movement with crossing American
chestnuts with other chestnuts that are like resistant to the blight?
When I was in college, we did a little bit
of that, planting trees that were like American chestnut mixed
with something else, like a Chinese chestnut. I don't remember

(16:39):
exactly what it was, but just trying to find something
that could live on the landscape and be resistant to
the blight.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, So that's that been the focus of our organization
is the Chinese chestnuts, Japanese chestnuts. They they co evolved
with the blight fungus for tens of millions of years.
They have resistance and there's been a long effort starting
in the nineteen twenties to breed cross breed the American

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species with the Chinese and the Japanese. And what we've
done is you get the fifty to fifty hybrids between
the two species and they tend to they have resistance
from the Asian chestnut species and they are fertile. So
we do they all the chestnut species hybridize readily, but

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in order to make them grow and be competitive in
the forest. The American chestnuts grow very tall. The Chinese
chestnuts tend to be shorter orchard trees. What we're trying
to do is basically cross those hybrids back to American chestnut,
dilute out some of the Chinese traits, bring in more
of the American traits, but also select for resistance so

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that we can improve improve that over time. So what
we're trying to do is kind of dilute out the
make the trees keep the resistance, but then also breed
for these tall timber type traits in the American chestnut.
And we have this citizen science organization that where people
have found trees, like from Maine all the way down

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to Mississippi. They tell us, we've found a tree, it's flowering,
and we've taken pollen from our hybrid our selected hybrids
and put it on those trees to get these diverse populations.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
And we have probably four to five.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Hundred orchards across the East Coast maintained by volunteers that
have been We plant the kids of these hybrids in
these orchards and we give them blight and we see
which trees survive from that, and we've continued now, I mean,
we've done this huge effort of like looking at all

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these trees resistance over like the last twenty years, and
we are now crossing these best trees that have really
good resistance with each other and selecting even better kids
of the trees. So we're incrementally improving the resistance so
the trees can live on their own.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Awesome, Hey, Jared, Beyond like physical cross breeding where you're
like putting pollen on another tree, has there been any
any like lab genetic engineering to to to work on
resistance to the to the blade.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, there is a there is a what's called a
transgenic tree where it has a gene from wheat that's
put it been put into the American chestnut tree. The
gene is involved in it like detoxifies an acid that's
produced by the fungus and that has it's going under

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a it's been under review by the USDA to be
able to release those trees, and we've done some assessments
on their resistance and they look they looked great initially
in the when we look at the seedlings stage and
we gave them a blight as little babies but when
you put them out in the like over time for

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a longer period of time, they get pretty severe infections.
And there's a lot of susceptible trees. So what we've
learned is that the resistance is complicated. There's a lot
of there's a lot of genes involved in that, and
so doing that cross breeding brings in a lot of
those genes involved in the resistance to give it more

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durable resistance than any single gene could give the trees.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Jared, why does it matter? What does the American chestnut
provide that our eastern forests are missing without them there?

Speaker 5 (20:39):
I mean, I would love to see chestnuts on the
mountains in North Carolina. They grow on top of the
mountains with some of the most beautiful places in the Appalachians,
and they used to provide nuts every year, and the
wildlife carrying capacity of the forests diminished as a result

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of loss of the chestnut, And there are insects and
things that also were dependent on the tree, and we
would love to see like in this there's like strip
mind sits in throughout Appalachia where the chestnuts grow really
well on that really poor acidic soil. So I'd love
to see, you know, reclamation of some of the mind

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lands with chestnuts going forward.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
For people who are listening right now, what can they
do to help the American chestnut.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Well, we are a citizen science organization and a nonprofit
organization and we have we're funded by members and so
people donate to us and that helps us. What we're
doing is a lot of genomic testing on our trees
to make the breeding go faster, growing out the best
kids and then giving them blight and seeing which you know,

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really confirming you have resistance. So if you live in
the East Coast, you can join your local chapter. We
have sixteen state chapters across the East Coast. But also
just donate to TACF to help us with some of
our work to do the cross breeding and genomics to
better understand resistance and make the breeding work a lot better.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Thank you for joining us, Jared, and thanks for helping
save the American chestnut.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Thanks guys, Thanks Jared.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
By now, I saw you two boys nodding along when
he said that there is a mature one living in Eerie, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's Brodie's next.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, that's my old stomping ground. So I didn't know
that it's just just that's where it came from.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I know several that are living on the family farm,
but they they're just stump sprouting from old stumps.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
There's babies.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, they only get like he said, ten ten twelve
feet tall and then die.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Did you know that before today? That like, that's what
that was and that's why it was doing it?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yep, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's I don't I don't
know how many there are exactly on the farm, but
I mean you can it's nothing to walk for five
minutes in the woods and find a couple of them.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think he said there's hundreds of millions that just
never reached maturity.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, they're all over the place. But yeah, man, it's
such a shame. Those trees were like I mean, I've
heard them called like the redwoods the East East. Yeah,
just huge trees that I couldn't imagine what it would
have been like back in the day to see that
mm hm.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Deers A lot of critters would have been eating them.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, we have some Chinese chestnuts on
the farm, and man, when those things start falling, the
deer hammering them, they love them all right.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Moving on our next segment is Gear Talk.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
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Let's talk about blues in cano patterns with Yon d.
Let's talk about Let's talk about gear. Let's talk.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
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All right, Seth, you go first. What are you talking
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Speaker 2 (24:21):
I'm gonna talk to you about my favorite hunting pant
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They can't wear them out. I like them because they

(24:44):
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Pretty much everything I'm hunting, elk, deer, antelope. I'll probably
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Speaker 1 (25:26):
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Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, I wear them all the time. I like just
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you're always you know, on your knees for something.

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(25:57):
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(26:18):
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(26:42):
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and that is twenty percent off right now as well.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's a great piece.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Like I said, I genuinely wear it all fall.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, I just love wool next to skin.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
I ran them from like October to eight.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, half the year.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, that's legit, all right, Brody, what are you talking
about today?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
The dirt Bag Duffel. Uh, I've been running these things
for I don't know, like these things have been out
for what four or five years now? At least I
have the original. I've uh a couple of the big ones,
a couple of the Meetium ones like and I have
had no trouble with any of them. Their their bomb proof,

(27:26):
they're durable, they're great when you got to take stuff
into like a wet environment like Southeast Alaska or like
the river trip that we're gonna do later this year.
They're just they're just a really good duffle and they
got you know, extra features like pockets and things like that.

(27:48):
You can carry it like a backpack through the airport
if you want. For a very long time, I was
a Patagonia black Hole supporter, and the dirt Bag Duffel
kind of took over. That's the large took over that
spot for me. You can fit a week's where the
stuff in there easily. And the big one.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
So yeah, it's it's the thing that I travel with
the most, so much so that I had to get
a second one because my wife wanted to have one
as well. That's that's the medium I use for a
lot of traveling. They also what's the material on them?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's TPU rip stop. But you know it's got that well,
it's got like a coating on it, you know, a water.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's what I was gonna get it. It has the
lid that I think they call the launch pad and
you open it up. If you're hunting and you're like
changing boots and you stand on that thing, it doesn't
matter if there's snow or water underneath it. Your feet
are not going to get wet. I love the dirt
bag Duffel and that is twenty percent off this week
as well.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah. I just had that thing in Southeast Alaska. Yeah,
when we're up there, and when we were leaving it
was pouring rain.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, and you gotta set your stuff out before the
float playing guests there.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah. I had that thing sitting in the rain for
a while and it was fine.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, they have small, medium, and large. I'll travel with
all my hunting clothes in there in the fall, and
then again if we're just like staying in a hotel, somewhere.
It's a Duffel that my wife and I both use.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Again.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
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All right, we're halfway through the show, Phil, Let's take
a break for some listener feedback. What's the chat I
have to say?

Speaker 8 (29:34):
Yeah, let's do I get those questions in? Cameron says.
Question for the crew, what are some tips to keep
meat from spoiling on warmer days and longer packouts. Cameron
says that he's doing his first elk hunt DIY style
in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
I'll chime in, get the skin off, but I, like
you would be surprised how long skinned out out quarters
can last and more weather if you get the skin
off and hang them in a shady spot with some breeze, like,
it's not a problem. If it's seventy degrees out during

(30:09):
the day. You can hang that meat longer than you
think you can. If you get that skin off and
hang it in a shady spot.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, as long as it gets that crusted. Yeah, you'd
be surprised. I was surprised when we were in Africa.
There's no refrigeration there. They hung that meat for days.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah. If you get like one cool night to get
the interior you know of the meat cooled, You're gonna
be fine for like a few days. It's just not
something I worry about a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Airflow very important, and as we've talked about on previous
episodes of Trivia, if the conditions are too extreme, you
could get bone rot, especially around those joints are gonna
hold a lot of heat. Being a here in Kentucky,
I'm guessing that thing's not gonna be away from a
cooler for too long. So just get on as soon
as you can and.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Keep it dry. Like, if that stuff's hanging and it
gets wet, it's gonna go bad a lot faster.

Speaker 8 (31:08):
Let's see Freddy Rick and the man says, I'm taking
my wife out antelope hunting tomorrow. What's the fun in
the field? Meal we should make? If successful?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Mmm? I love.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
If it was like season four of Meat Eater, Steve's
on a solo analo punt and he cooks up some
bucknuts in butter. It's it's real easy. All you need
is a source of heat, a skillet and some butter
and and that's a pretty authentic way to enjoy a
successful anelope punt.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
You gotta go.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
If you do those, don't go high heat or they'll explode.
You gotta take your time with them.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I like tenderloin fresh in the field, just because, especially
with an antelope, if you get that crossed on those things,
like you end up just taking too much. Like just
eat those things.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Fresh, you know, want those to go in the freezer.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, no, no, just eat them fresh over fire or something,
and they're fantast.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
The heart would be good to cut that up right
away and eat that.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
Drifting flies has been just absolutely stoked in the chat.
This whole show just mostly all caps Trump style. But
he says Brody favorite streamer, He's gonna target some big
browns very soon.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
There's an old old I don't know if they still
make it. I bet you they do. It's called the Takili.
I wish we could pull up a picture of it.
It's got like a shiny like copper colored UHL body
and then like a bright like yellow marriboo tail and

(32:39):
some big bright rubber legs on it, and like in
the fall, it drives those big brown trout insane. It's
a good one.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Do you tie your own streamers back in the day?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Oh yeah, man, I tied a lot of flies. I
still have all this stuff, you know, I just don't.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Waiting for your sons to get into it.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, you think I have so many flies that
don't now I don't need to tie any I don't know.
But yeah, that's a real good one. There's a bunch
of like I'm not like I kind of stopped fly
fishing as much. There's been like a new wave of
fly tying that's gone on, like especially in the streamer world,

(33:21):
playing that to me just bigger, Like it's trended towards
bigger in the last several years. Like Kelly Gallup at
the slide In He's got these real big flies that
tend to have weird names like sex Dungeon and things
like that. And then Blaine Chocolates, God, what game changer.
Like a lot of people are throwing those and they

(33:43):
tend to tend to if you want to like specifically
target like a brown shout thirty inches and larger. You
need to be throwing a fly that's six inches long
or bigger, I would say, because otherwise you're just gonna
be catching a lot of sixteen.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Inches Mississippi, says Spencer, Birdie and Steth. What's your favorite
feature that you look for in a skinning knife or features?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Probably just how it feels in my hand. I know,
like my favorite knife then I keep in my gun cabinet.
You could put a blindfold on me and hand me
all my knives and I would pick that one, I
think every single time, just because it feels right in
my hand. So as far as what you're looking for,
I don't know specifics. When you're just looking at something,

(34:28):
how's it feel in your hand. I'll tell you one thing.
I don't care for a gut hook on my nod.
It just like gets in the way. And it seems
like those were very fashionable for a moment and they're
becoming less fashionable now. But I'm just like pretty much
immediately not interested if it has a big gut hook
on it.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I would say something without an overly large blade. I
think you know when you're when you're dealing with stuff
laying on the ground, and getting skin off, like a
big long blade is just going to be detrimental. And
I I like like with wise and narrower ones. I
know some people like that wider blade, but I like

(35:06):
something a little narrower, a little more nimble.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, I agree with that, something narrower.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
But those heavy duty like sturdy knives with like broader blades.
When you get into like pop and hip joints and
stuff like that, that's where they come in handy. But yeah,
it's something that's sharp and something that feels good, something
that holds an edge, Seth.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I like something with a little bit more of a
rounded tip, not so pointy on the tip. It also
depends on what I'm skinning, Like if I'm not worried
about putting holes in it, like a deer, usually you know,
it doesn't matter that much. But if I'm skinning something
like a coyote or something that I want to tan
and keep the high nice, I like a little boy

(35:51):
rounded tip so I don't punch holes in it.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Let's see one morning for now.

Speaker 8 (35:54):
Phil jure Ethan says, Seth. My buddy Sean just won
the Michigan Walleye Tour for the second straight year. When
you're at some filets down next weekend. Best way to
cook them? Thanks, man.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I just like fried walleye. It's hard to beat that.
At one time took a small, smaller walleye filets and
like rolled them up lengthwise and you wrap those in bacon.
It's kind of like a like a walleye pin wheel
tank and just bake those or put them on the grill,
you know, hit them with some butter and whatnot. That

(36:27):
was pretty good. Brody.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
You been eating a lot of walleye this summer.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, I mean it's my like my wife like some
panco crusted, Yeah, like pan fried, not like deep fried,
and that's very good. Another thing their walleye is pretty delicate,
but you can pull it off if you're careful. Is
you get them on a on a griddle, like an
outdoor griddle like a black stone or whatever, and just

(36:51):
do black and Cajun black and filets. Those are real good.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
You go to the meat eater dot com. You'll find
a lot of good walleye recipes there. H Jesse Griff
I think it was probably four or five years ago
at this point. Dead beer battered fish, which that recipe
would work great for walleye as well. That's what I'd recommend.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Chester, and I did one of those. It was a
meteor cooked or something episode where we fried walleye and
it was fantastic Panco style.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Even though Chester can't even enjoy it. Nope, just gotta look.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
He's just gotta look and smell all right.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Moving on, Our next segment is one Minute Fishing.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I feel lucky. We'll do you Punk, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Make my cast. One Minute Fishing is where we go
live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute
to catch a fish, and if they're successful, we'll make
a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation group. This week,
our angler is American hero Pat Dirkin. He's on Lake
Vermillion in Minnesota and fishing for a donation to sturgeon
for tomorrow. Pat, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
Hey, Spencer, Pat's got a.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Fish he's holding right now.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
They've already done.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Wow, we just reeled it in just now.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Okay, Well that that's a good sign. How'd you catch it?

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Late? And tell him what you caught? Speak up? A
small mouth?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Pass, a very nice small mouth. He's been putting on
his feedbag for fall. That thing's got a nice gut
on it. Pat, you have a few guests with you today.
Tell us about your fishing buddies.

Speaker 9 (38:33):
First of all, here is Layton Lates, my nine year
old grandson from Rochester, Minnesota, over my left shoulder. Here
it's my daughter, Leah. This is my oldest daughter. She
was fourteen years in the Navy Spencer.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Wow. Cool.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Now, I didn't know that they let cheeseheads fish in Minnesota.
So why lake for me? Pat?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Well?

Speaker 9 (39:02):
We it's kind of a long story, but Leah walked
into a good opportunity to pick up one week rental
up here around Lake Vermilion. And I hear Lake Vermillion.
They make sure you know it's spelled with one L.
But it's a lake with three hundred and sixty one islands,
some big areas the west of Ely, Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
And and what's the plan for that small mouth? Is
he gonna go in the live well or back in
the lake?

Speaker 9 (39:31):
Lay Lighton says, live well, Okay, that means we'll be
eating him for dinner probably.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I like that attitude. How's the fishing been so far
this week?

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Pat Well? Our first day was Tuesday.

Speaker 9 (39:44):
We got four walleyes and let's see a couple of
small malls perch. They were getting mainly perched for fishing.
Slip bobbers here on arms Strong excuse me, Armstrong bay.
And so this is a we caught maybe a half
dozen nice percha this morning and now it's capping it.

(40:06):
Get a little floor until this.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Guy gets Okay, So for one minute fishing, are you
targeting small mouth? Are you going for something else?

Speaker 9 (40:14):
We've been targeting basically perch, perch and bluegills, And once
while when these when these random small almost shows up
and smacks that little crappie you know, sized jig, and
once a while, we've got gotten them in the boat today.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Okay, So one minute fishing, he's looking for a perch
of bluegill or a small mouth. And you said you're
tossing jigs at them.

Speaker 9 (40:38):
Yeah, we got we have what we're doing. We have
this little chunks of worm on there that's again like
a number eight, number six that thereabouts. Put this in
the live well, hang on one second.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Okay uh. And then after Pat gets the fish in
his live well, we're gonna start one minute fishing, and
for the first time ever, we're gonna have three anglers. Uh,
trying to fish for that donation today. So Pat, whenever
you guys make your first cast, you're one minute of
fishing will start.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
I'm gonna have linke and go first.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Let's let's have you all. Can you all fish at once?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Pat?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Can?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Can we do all three of you in that one minute?

Speaker 6 (41:24):
We can do them all at once?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Okay, there's gonna be a little chaos and the lund.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Yep, let me get mine. You got quick spencer?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Okay? Pat is reapplying a night crawler seth Lake Vermilion?
Ever been there?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Never been? But it's definitely one I want to visit.
I've heard lots of good things about.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Familion, just just that general part of Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, Pat, do they call you captain in that boat?

Speaker 6 (41:55):
They call me a lot worse?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Okay, Pat is everybody?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Are you ready?

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (42:01):
Late and you're ready? Okay, Laten you go first lake casts?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
All right, grandson has made his cast. Pat has made
his cast. There one minute has begun. Pat, Are we
just running slip bobbers?

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Are we just running slip bobbers?

Speaker 6 (42:27):
There on.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
The wind? Is?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
We're losing Pat's audio?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So he got one?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Is he really one?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
In.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Pat Durkin the only angler to be successful twice at
one minute fishing both times was that a yellow perch.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
This one's a smaller, but he's okay.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
And both times Pat has been successful. He's done it
with a yellow perch. Once in Idaho and now once
in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Well done, Pat, Captain Pat Dirkin, you bet that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
In the old land, in the land in Lake Vermillion,
he's just won a five hundred dollars donation to Sturgeon
for Tomorrow. Pat, you were really stoked to make a
donation to Sturgeon for Tomorrow. Tell us about them.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
Yeah, this goes back in my in my first one.
It's a little bit Spencer and I was a young
reporter back in the nineteen eighties, a group called a
group of local fishermen in the Lake Winnebago area which
is oshcost, Wisconsin. That region, they wanted to get more
involved in the science aspect of sturgeon management, and they

(43:47):
formed this group called Sturgeon for Tomorrow and they've been
running now close to forty forty years or so. And
every spring they helped organize what's called Sturgeon Patroll and
they put guys on the Wolf River with a certain
spawn and make sure they don't get poached. They used
to be a real bad poaching problem in that in

(44:08):
that region. Back and all the way through the early eighties,
I used to do newspaper stake cufs basically right, ride
a lot of wardens and spend the night watching for
poaching it on.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
That Wolf River. But these guys, that's one of the
one of the very very many projects they get involved in.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well you just saved a few more surgeon with that
five hundred dollars donation. Well done. The legend of Pat
Dirkin in one minute fishing grows.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
Well, thanks you guys, Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Pat, Pat, good luck with the rest of the week.
High fives all around in the boat. I'm tickled.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
That was fun.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
He should just be on every week. Then we have
people that catch fish. Pat.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Pat is great because he's obviously a retired fella. I
could text him on a Wednesday and be like, Pat,
we need someone for one minute fishing Tomorrow's like okay,
I'm in yep. So you'll see a lot more of
Pat Dirk and on media radios.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
One minute fishing.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
All right, Moving on our next segment is the Price
is Right.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Here.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's most exciting ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
It's the Price is Right.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Morris, come on down Anderson come on down. The next
two contestants on media radios. The Price is Right Now,
here's your host, Spencer newh.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Wow, thank you Phil. He brings it every single impressively.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
He just does that. You know, let's not free.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Recorded or nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, no, that's that's live Phil in the studio. Now,
this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell
you about a product from the med Eater universe, and
you need to guess its price. The player with the
closest answer without going over will be declared the winner.
If both players go over, then you'll both be told
to try again, and the chat should play along as well,
because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer,

(46:08):
we'll get a shout out. And none of them are
going to cheat. They have all vowed to be very honest.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
How many of these are we doing? Just one?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Three of them? We've got three of them. There are
three products today. Have either of you boys played mediate
Radius prices right before?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Nope, I did. I played once in.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
One Okay, we've got the veteran seth here then bringing
all that experience.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
What's surprised? What are we playing for?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
We'll find out in a second. Phil tell us about
the first item up forbid.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Our first item today is a guided nil Guy and
whitetail hunt on the famous King Ranch in Texas. Here's
your chance to hunt one of the largest pieces of
private land in the world. At eight hundred and twenty
five thousand acres, the King Ranch is bigger than Rhode Island.
This property is home to eighteen thousand nil Guy, which
got their start on the King Ranch after a stocking
from the San Diego Zoological Garden a century ago. The

(46:57):
package includes a nil Guy bowland, a management white tail
buck that's guaranteed to score between one hundred and thirty
and one hundred and forty inches. You'll also get two
nights lodging at the King Ranch, but meals are not included.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
That's right, Phil, But keep in mind it's a four
hunter minimum, so you better have three buddies with deep
pockets just like you.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
So we got a four hundred price.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
We're just gonna do for one hunter, one hunter price,
and this gets you a nilghai bull, a management buck
that they say will be an eight or nine pointer
that is over five and a half years old and
will score between one hundred and thirty one hundred and
thirty and one hundred forty inches. And you have two
nights at the King Ranch, but.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Two nights three days a hunt or something like.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I think I think it's two full days. They are
very efficient.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I guess on the King.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Right, I killed a white tail buck about eighty yards
from the King Ranch border that they might have been.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Living on the King Ranch. You killed yourself? Was it
a high fence? There? Was it a litw low fence?
Low fence? Yeah, you don't even need a high fence
when you own Rhode Island.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Oh, I know, it's a lot of can't fathom.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I'd like to say that that buck was living on
the King Ranch and I got to get that one
for freaking.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Ranch buck again. The package is a guided hunt for
a bull nil guy, a one hundred and thirty five
inch white tail, and two nights of lodging at the
famous King Ranch in Texas. And remember you cannot go over.
If both of you go over, you'll both be told
to try again. Seth Are you ready, I'm ready, Brody,

(48:29):
are you ready? Okay, making a small change to his
answer for one person to go to the King ranch
and kill themselves a nil guy and a white tail.
All right, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have
st saying ten thousand, five hundred, Brody saying eight thousand,
nine hundred. The correct answer is lower than both of those,

(48:54):
so you'll both need to try again. We know it
is less than eight thousand, nine hundred. They are revisiting
their whiteboards and coming up with a new answer. Brody,
very quick, seth are you ready reveal your answers? We
have set saying six thousand, three hundred fifty dollars. Brody

(49:14):
says six thousand, nine hundred dollars. Ooh, the correct answer
is eight thousand, five hundred dollars, giving Brody that first
point he was only four hundred dollars off with his
first guest. Now, a nilguy cow hunt is four thousand,
four hundred, a combo dove hunt and saltwater fishing trip

(49:35):
is two thousand, four hundred, and I've got redfish two
hundred from the King rancher.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Right off the bank of the King. Well like casting
towards the back king.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Okay, so you boys are very familiar.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Phil.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
How'd the chat do?

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (49:51):
Well, we had several people getting right on the money.
I convinced they cheated. Unfortunately, I just I don't trust
anybody but bull site archery. Guess eight grand. So I'm
gonna give him. I'm gonna give him the point.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Well points, full side archery. That just goes to show
if you're gonna cheat, you can't cheat right on the money.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, You're gonna have to fool me U.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
And we can still see Pat Dirk and fishing. He's
still in our waiting room there. Yeah, we're watching some
fancy camera work. Now, looks like the boat is moving
around all right. Well, maybe check in Pat later. Pil
tell us about the second item forbid?

Speaker 8 (50:29):
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Speaker 2 (51:53):
It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
There going hal to Ola, it was really impressive.

Speaker 8 (51:58):
There won't be a fish left in the Wow.

Speaker 10 (52:00):
Banjo Meadows, unique patent pending rubber made guard. Let's every
fisherman fish anywhere by you need that on top of
docs right where the big ones are.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Came up to the complete a getting.

Speaker 10 (52:18):
And four colors, banjo weedless bait, hooks, counterbalanced jigs, and
much much more. All yours for only twenty nine to
ninety five or faster service. Have your credit card ready
and call.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
The number of day count for inflation is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Now you're probably wondering who on earth would fall for
such ridiculous marketing. Well me, I would when I was
in middle school. I now present to you to banjo
minnows from my arsenal tackle box, and I can attest
that these have tricked dozens of large mouth in the
forty acre lake near my hometown. Uh Now, the price

(52:53):
that you are guessing today is for a banjo minnow
set in twenty twenty five. That they are still around,
and they offer a one hundred two piece starter kit
sold on banjomino dot com. It comes with twenty four
banjo minnows, thirty zero rings, twenty four wed guards, twelve
nose anchors and twelve hooks. Now, look at that one.
This is a new swim bait design. I have the og.

(53:16):
These are way more desirable. Look it's got the ribs
and them very thin. The new ones in twenty twenty
five look much different. They don't look anything like a
banjo minnow. Now look at this thing. It's dang, you're
jumping out of my hand. Banjo minnow?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
What's what the hole I'm going to buy some of these?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Well, that's where the nose jig goes. I think that's
what they call it. What do they call that thing?
Nose anchor? You put his nose anchor through there, and
then that's got a little piece where you can slide
your hook through, and so your hook isn't even touching
any of the soft plastic.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
So same thing.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Today's price, Well, we know that in nineteen ninety four
it was twenty nine to ninety five for a one
hundred and ten piece kit, But you guys are guessing
the price of a one hundred two two piece kit
that banjo minnow is still selling. Wow, Phil, can we
get it? Can we get a just me on the camera?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Here?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Show these things? Look at that action. My goodness, fish
are genetically wired to eat these things. They just can't resist.
The one fella from the infomercial said they should be illegal,
but there's gonna be no fish left in North America.
Here's what I'll do. Whoever wins today's game, I'll give
you one of my banjo minnows, and then I expect
you to catch.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Something on that.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah, you could probably catch the first fish ever that
bit a banjo minnow in Alaska. You should take one
of these to Alaska. What would you What would you
catch with this quillback? Please? I would be I would
be so pleased if you took one of these to
Alaska and caught something.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
If there was silvers, like at the mouth of a creek,
they might eat one of those things, greenling, lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Okay, if you drop that thing down on a shallow hump,
then like fort water, you'll have something instantly.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
The problem is it's all so gonna get bit off.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yes, you might get one fish to bite on this,
and then the lure is just shot. All right, Do
you have your price for the twenty twenty five one
hundred and ten piece kit? YEP, one hundred two piece kit.
Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Brody saying
thirty nine to ninety five set saying fifty nine ninety five.

(55:22):
The correct answer is fifty nine to ninety nine set
four cents. That's probably the closest we've ever had someone
get to the correct answer. I'm going to buy some
for the prices, right, but I don't think you want
the new ones. Those new ones just like any They
look like any swim bait at bastard.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Little articulating cuts in there.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
That's right, I think. So all right, we're onto our
final item for today.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Just really quick.

Speaker 8 (55:49):
I want to throw out there that that Keith said
three easy payments of nineteen ninety five, and I think
he's accuracy and creativity. I think he deserves some flowers there.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah, he's gets your credit ready. They delivered that line
twice in the infomercial. Make sure when you call if
you're gonna get the banjo minow, you have your credit
card in your hand.

Speaker 8 (56:08):
They don't have any time to waste.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Art phil third and final item. We are tied one
to one.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
Our final item up for bid today is a whole
salmon from Seattle's world famous Pike Place Fish Market Cheese,
known for their flying fish, they'll actually fly one right
to your front door. Oh, This twelve pound wildcot chinook
comes fresh out of the Pacific Ocean and it's Pike
Place's number one seller. You can choose to have it
sent hole with the head and fins attached, or have
their expert fishmongers turn it into filets and steaks for you.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
That's right, Phil, And they guarantee that if we ordered
before noon today, it will arrive on Friday. All right,
Seth and Brady twelve pounds, Phil, twelve pounds. What does
it cost to get a whole king salmon? Ships seven
hundred miles to meat eater HQ, So you're guessing the
price of the fish as well as what it costs
to ship it. Here a twelve pound king salmon from

(57:03):
the Pipe Place fish market. This will determine who gets
the banjo minnow between at all.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I never buy fish from a store, so I don't
even have a clue.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Phil. Have you ever bought anything from Pipe Place?

Speaker 8 (57:19):
I have not, No whenever. I've only gone there a
couple of times, and I just try to get get
just walk through as fast as possible, don't make eye contacts,
keep moving.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I like the busyness of it. That's like why I
would want to be there, is to like feel the
hustle and bustle of Pipe Place.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Now, Phil, does it say? Uh? No, I probably won't.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
What are you looking for?

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Wilder Hatchery?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
It says wild wild cot. They are adamant it is
wildcot comes out of the Pacific.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Well, there's like wild kings, and then there's the ones
they raise up for a little whileties and cut them loose.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
They say wild cought. They don't say anything about where
it was raised at though. So again, it's a twelve
pound salmon ship seven miles.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I'm just like that in Alaska. The kids got them.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Well, we're gonna find out what they're worth.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Oh, I was ready.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I have a pretty good idea.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (58:08):
As my kid figured it out.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Sure, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Brody
saying four hundred and twenty dollars, our Seth saying one
hundred forty five dollars. The correct answer is five hundred
two dollars. That's four hundred and thirty two dollars for
the fish and seventy dollars for shipping. That comes out

(58:30):
to a whopping forty two dollars per pound.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Geez.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
That's why I thought them salmon. They ain't cheap.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Well, the kings, because they got the highest they're like
highest fat content. It wouldn't be that much for a silver.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well done, Brody only eighty dollars off. The correct answer
again five hundred two dollars. How the chat do feel?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Chat Way?

Speaker 8 (58:53):
I mean most of them were in like the fifty
dollars range on average. We had Mike at the near
the end coming with four to twenty, just like just
like Brody did.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Thanks for playing along, and remember to help control the
pet population. Have your pets spade and neutered and you
might just win yourself a banjo Minnow. All right, that
brings us to the end of this week's show, Phil,
Let's get some final feedback from the chat.

Speaker 8 (59:14):
Yeah, last call for questions, Greg says Brody, what hat
are you wearing?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
A magpool?

Speaker 8 (59:21):
Perfect? David asks any waltenned recommendations for a December hunt
in Pennsylvania Montana canvas?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, Montana canvas yep.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Cool.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
Back to we were doing gear talk, Spicy Nacha sent
in this, Now, what are y'all thoughts on the non
cameo pants. He's always been a full camo guy and
was wondering if you've ever had any issues being half
a blob if.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
You're sitting in a tree stand and trying to kill
a white tail buck at eleven yards, I'd probably be
wearing camel pants. If you are trying to kill a
very smart turkey at fifteen yards, probably wear camel pants. Besides,
is that it's not going to be the thing that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Camo raiders or Camo pants like. I'm gonna disagree slightly
with Spencer on on at least the turkey thing. I've
killed plenty of turkeys wearing solid tan or solid green pants.
If you're if you're still it's I don't think it's
as big of a deal as long as you got

(01:00:23):
Camo uppers and you're just snug down to the ground tight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah. I I've killed a lot of Merriams in solid pants.
If I was hunting Easterns back in Pennsylvania somewhere where
they're real pressure, that would go full Camo for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:00:41):
Randall says, Shout out Phil, Shout out Radio Life crew man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Randall likes this show so much we have to kick
him out of the studio before we turn on the microphones.
He he was in here right up until the countdown
clock started.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
The studio is basically Randall's office.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:00:57):
Lately, Dalton got the King Ranch hunt right on the money,
and has commented several times about how he's mad at
me because I accused him of cheating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Do we trust him?

Speaker 8 (01:01:08):
Not at all?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
Oh no, sorry, he needs to come here by by
a ticket to Bozeman and present your case in person,
and maybe I will hear it. He might do that,
Phil I say that, Oh yeah, no, just shoot me
Instagram deum.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Let's see.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
This is another one of those general questions that usually
don't play very well because it's sort of like, I'm
going to Colorado to hunt any tips, but you know,
he's got some other stuff that's deep in here. Max says,
I'm at a seur hour seven of his eighteen hour
drive to Utah for a mewly archery hunt any tips
or suggestions for success? But he follows that up with

(01:01:45):
are there any previous media or podcasts that focus on
newly hunting to add my binge list? I wish I
could pull up some podcast episodes from the recesses of
my brain, but I'm sure there are some of you
search in whatever platform that you use for podcasting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah, go check out what was formerly Cutting the Distance.
Remy Warren used to host that show, and I'm sure
he had all sorts of good mule deer tips and
tricks than Jason Phelps and Dirk. I'm sure they have
some good muley tips as well. And that is now
the in Pursuit channel with Rich Fronning. What do you got, Brody?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Oh, I was just gonna say you probably within the
like the general other than cutting the distance, like, probably
not a lot of archery mule deer stuff that I
can remember. Can you think of anything? So if you
want to watch Steve and Joe Rogan archery Hunt mule Deer,
there's a good episode on that, but I can't think
of anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That's one thing I've never really done hunt mule deer
with the bow. I've done it a couple of times
in Montana.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
It'd be fun up above tree line up real high
this time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yeah, that would be a wicked fun hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Do a couple more.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
Phil Devin says, Hey, what cartridge are you guys using
this upcoming season. It's a pretty big question. Kind of
depends on what you're going at.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Seven millimere prc same.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
That is probably what I will do eighty percent of
my hunting with this year. And I have a gun
tag in Illinois where for the first time I will
be using a straight walk cartridge, and I think it'll
be a three fifty legend. Still deciding, Sweet Brody.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
It depends on the hunt. I'll be using a six' FIVE,
prc which is a great, one then maybe shooting a
six y five Creed more a little bit that my
kids will be. Using BUT i might use that gun
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Too one, More.

Speaker 8 (01:03:38):
Phil nate, says When steve shows up in the, office
does work grind to a halt or is that the
only time anything gets? DONE i could see him producing either.
Outcome i'd say it depends on whether or not he
breaks the harpoon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Out, Yeah seth is the only one on the same
floor as, HIM i Guess phil as. Well do you
notice When steve's?

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
AROUND i personally have no idea what he's hearing when
he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Here When, Steve i'll give him. Credit When steve's, here
he's like here for a, reason and he's working.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
On something that's. TRUE i. KNOW i like to try
to sneak into his office and like bug him about,
stuff like just talking about anything other than, work and
he's usually, like what do you? Need LIKE i just
want to talk fishing or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Something All, RIGHT a few plugs before we get out of.
Here The mediat crew is hitting the road again this,
fall visiting some of our favorite fan bases that will
be playing, games giving away, prizes and showing off how
the Med Eater crew. Tailgates that is The Meat Eater Tailgate.
Tour it's. Returning come join our, tailgate eat some, food
hang out with the, crew and we'll see you AT

(01:04:39):
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Missouri september, Thirteenth Texas september, Twentieth, Wisconsin september twenty, Seventh Penn,
state And october, Fourth Notre. Dame there will be more.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Details which one do you go?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
TO i will be at The wisconsin game against Me
Ireland september, twentieth you, BOYS i Assume Penn.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
State, yeah, yes, sir we'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
There more details that come on really.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
Quick just Because mogo reminded me of his, comment he, said,
huge thanks for today's. Show we crushed it like a
pinata at a birthday. Party it's It's this show premiered
one year ago On august twenty, Second Radio live did.
So if you're still, watching thanks For thanks for, Listening
thanks for. Watching it's this show is one of the
highlights of my. Week thanks To spencer for helping those
show kind of find its voice and, rhythm and every

(01:05:28):
single crew member who's been a part of. It it's
been a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Fun we're just hitting our. Stride it's only going to get. Better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Mogor, yeah and thanks To. Mogor he's PROBABLY i don't
think he's missed a. Show he's like our number one,
fan all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Right thanks for, Watching thanks for. Listening see you back
here next, week same, time place by now