Ep. 759: It's September! (Again!) | MeatEater Radio Live! - The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
That's one pm for our friends in beautiful Ashtabulah, Ohio,
on this Thursday, September fourth, and we are live from
media to HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams,
and I have the distinct pleasure today of being joined
by my two friends, Ryan Callahan and Seth Morris.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's good to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
On today's show, we're talking to Ben Batton.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I don't think you sent me the script for this week,
so I don't know what I'm supposed to say. Am
I genuinely supposed to say?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
No? No, that's that's in a minute here. I will
send you the script right now in do you know
how to check slack?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Her email is better.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
We should have we should have went over this a
little bit ago. But I'm Dickie here, we are. You're
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Never can tell around here. On today's show, we're talking
to Ben Batton.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
We've got a.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Hot, hot, hot tip off. We're gonna do a little
show and tell. We're gonna talk to Mark Kenyon about
the latest public land controversy, and finally you are faithful,
audience will choose the winner of the trailcam photo contest
brought to you by Moultrie. Sounds like another fantastic episode,

(01:46):
Ryan Seth, how are you guys doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Fantastic, real good, real good, high anxiety likes started. Yeah,
and I have lots to do before or I can
like really get serious about hunting season.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's your first big trip.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Brown bear in Alaska, which is a big, big trip
for anybody. Yeah, yeah, and truly a trip I never
thought I would go on, So, I mean it's it's huge,
and I'm just trying to get any mental place with
all the adult responsibilities where I can just focus on
nothing but that.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Sure, it's hard.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah yeah, so you did you.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Ever guide a brown bear hunt before?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I worked as a packer for one season up on
the peninsula, So it'll be super cool to come back.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, cool, it'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
You know, like any ultra low paid position in the
outdoor world, you just do everything when you're up.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
There, and you never dream about being the guy sitting
on the other side of the boat.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh yeah, never, never, And just like at that point
in my life too, I was like, how much did
the tag car?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Who would ever do this?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Jeez?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Incredibly indulgent, Seth, how are you?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'm great? I'm uh. I gotta say I'm more excited
for fall fishing than picking up the boat at this
point in my life.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
M hm. Got out this weekend for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yep, but I Jason, just big brown trout running after streamers,
that's what you're thinking about. No, just drown.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Big wall eyes and small mouth putting on the feedbag
for winter, That's what That's what gets me excited. That
and then just the thought of rifle season coming. I
like shooting things at further distances with center fire cartridges.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Your trip out to the Pecker, Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
It was a lot of ship happened that that. It's
a long story. It's a long story. We got one
solid day in, but the weekend ended, uh sooner than
ike s back, So we'll just end it there. I
got back.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I got back to my old stomping grounds and the
Little Miami River, and I drowned four night crawlers, caught
one fish.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
That probably puts you back in a certain place and time.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
My god, just the the bugs landing on me just
listening to the water.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Was it after dark?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
No, because much of my disappointment, all of my childhood
fishing areas now are extremely well signed with this area
closes at sundown or dusk. Yeah, like it used to
be the case that this is before Onyx, We're just like,
do you think anybody owns this? Can we fish here?
And then we sort of verified that yes, it was
owned by the county or whatever, owned by the town,

(04:43):
but there was no actual like signage, and so everywhere
I pulled up, I was like, like, I came back
from the tailgate tour literally on my way home from Columbus,
bought a big old cann of cors Light and twelve
night brawlers ripped down with like ten minutes before sunset

(05:04):
got to the spot I wanted the first thing I
see when I get out of my car is a
big sign that says closed at dusk, which I'm just like,
we used to have fight club down there, you know,
it used to be the wild West.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I am.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm advocating heavily with my buddy and his wife who's
also my buddy, to allow their oldest boy who's nine,
this is a real like western Montana family float fish
fly fishing for trout all the time. But I'm trying

(05:38):
to get them to allow the nine year old out
for antelope camp this year, with the intention of getting
that kid on some catfish too. So much introducing the
joy of sitting next to a rod that's just stuck
in a mud bank.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I did bring I did bring a bell. I got
to listen to the bell jingle. Excellent stuck stuck my
rod butt in a tangled root, Paul, and just oh,
it's like old times. But I didn't get a catfish.
I just caught a cut a little striper. Oh, and
then I broke my rod. I set the hook in
that striper, and I heard this little tick, and I

(06:16):
kind of like pushed all the sections back together, thinking
that maybe the jiggled loose. And then I got the
fish in cast out again, went to set the hook
on another fish, and the thing just snapped off like
five inches above the cork. So that's why I only
drowned four of the twelve worms. Eight of them are
probably still living rich lives alongside the beautiful banks of

(06:41):
the Little Miami.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, at least you got out there and got a couple.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
All maybe you want to do is go back immediately, Yeah,
and just float that thing again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah. I mean that's the.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thing that nobody can properly celebrate, right is Failure just
really makes you be like, like your weekend, right, I'm
sure you're like, I.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Need to go back. Oh God, I just put a
big W on the board. All I think about every
day since then is I just gotta get back.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I wasted my weekend failed, Yeah, exactly, got to
do it right.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, speaking of doing things right, Joining us on the
line next is Mark Kenyan, Oh yeah, post of the
Wired to Hunt podcast and author of That Wild Country
and epic journey through the past, present, and future of
America's public lands.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Meet Eats, Most Beautiful cast member, Mark, Welcome to the show, sir,
there he is.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Look at that Oh stunning, cal You're you're too kind.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
You're too kind. It's good to be here though, guess
thanks for having me Mark.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
There's been a lot of news recently about something called
the roadless Rule, and uh for those listening to this,
uh this podcast or watching us on YouTube here if
they're not familiar with the road risk, the roadless rule.
Can you explain what the roadless rule is?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, So the two thousand and one Roadless Rule was
enacted by the National Forest Service and the US Department
of Agriculture back in two thousand and one, as the
title would tell you, in response to a couple different
things going on at that time. You had one which
was a serious backlog in maintenance of the Forest Service

(08:28):
road system. So the US Forest Service has nearly four
hundred thousand miles of roads running across their public lands.
That's a lot of work to try to keep that,
you know, in good working conditions that people can access
their public lands, so that folks can access these different
places to do whatever kind of use they might be undertaking.

(08:49):
So at this time in the late nineties, they realized, wow,
we have a massive maintenance backlog. These roads that have
been subsidized by taxpayers are now not providing the return.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Having serious budget issues.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
At the same time, we have also, as one person
put it, cut the face off our forests in many places,
and now we are left with just you know, fragments
of habitat that has not been roaded, that has not
been developed. And so maybe we should think about what
the long term future of these last places should be
you know, long story short.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
What that led to was the Roadless Rule.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
It was a very long process, you know, almost two years,
hundreds of public meetings, one point six million public comments
put in from the public in regards to whether or
not this is a good idea and how we.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Should go about it.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
All that led to this rule being created enacted, and
it protected about fifty eight point five million acres of
our national forest system in a relatively unroaded way. So
there were exceptions baked into this rule that allowed for
some roads to be built in these places if there
was you know, need for wildfire mitigation and management. There

(10:02):
were exceptions put into this rule that would allow some
new road building in the case of wildlife habitat improvement
projects being needed. But in general, this fifty eight point
five million acres of national forests would not be the
home for new roads, so it would leave this area
and they relatively undeveloped, relatively intact, relatively unfragmented state. And

(10:27):
it has been in that state for you know, twenty
four years now. And these places are some of our
you know, our best, our last best backcountry elk hunting spots,
mule deer hunting spots, you know, high country trout spots.
I went on my two kids at the time, they
were four and six. I think it was their first

(10:47):
backpacking trip with both of them, or maybe the three
and five that was in one of our inventory roadless areas.
I killed my first elk on an inventoried roadless area.
So long story short, these are really really special places,
and they're in the news right now because the administration
has proposed removing that rule entirely, rolling back all of
those protections. So that's the high level scoop. That's what

(11:09):
the roadless rule is. That's why it's in the news
right now.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Gotcha. And so what are the I guess what are
the main arguments on both sides of the issue. What's
the rationale for You've laid out a bit of about
the benefits of these roadless areas for hunters and anglers,
but what's the rationale for rolling it back.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, so in the proposal in the you know, in
all of the press releases and comments from the administration,
from the Secretary of Agriculture, the reason for rolling back
the roadless rule has supposedly been to to help you know,
move forward with President Trump's executive order to expand timber

(11:49):
production and then also to better manage our forests. There's
been a lot of talk about the fact that, you know,
our forests have been undermanaged.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
They have you know, too much.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Fuel for wildfire, so wildfire risk is high, the habitat
isn't as good for wildlife, We're not producing as much
timber as maybe we have in the past, and so
the argument is that if we roll back the roadless rule,
that will fix all of that.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's why they say they should roll this rule back.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
On the flip side, advocates for the rule, which include
most all environmental and conservation groups, most hunting and fishing
groups that I've seen, have all been coming out very
strongly in support of the rule. The reason why we
think the rollless rule should stick around is because, as
I mentioned, this is protecting some of our last best

(12:38):
hunting and fishing places. This is protecting, you know, some
of our last unfragmented wildlife habitat for so many species,
whether it be species we hunt fish or endangered and
threatened species. We do not have very many of these
places that are not already broken up and separated and
bifurcated by roads and open to develop. So this is
something that is pretty rarely days. As I mentioned, there

(13:02):
are exceptions already for wildfire management and for habitat management.
Trout Unlimited has done a great job of starting to
quantify this. If you go to their website, they've got
an interactive map that showcases where these inventory roadless areas
are and what kinds of management management efforts have been
happening there. So significant wildfire mitigation efforts have been underway

(13:25):
in these places. So it's it's false to say that
these places have not had any management or any work
done on them. But certainly, you know, there's an argument
to be made that our national forces absolutely can and
should be managed better. We do need to manage for
fire risk, we do need to manage for wildlife habitat.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
And I think there's you know, two things to consider.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
One, a lot of that should be happening not in
our back country roadless areas, but up in the wildland
urban interface where there already are roads. Something like eighty
or eighty five percent of all of our wildfires are
started by us, first off, and I think it's ninety
percent of the fires on our National Forest start within
a half mile of a road.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
So roads typically are what leads.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
To wildfires igniting and started. That's where the stuff's happening
a lot of the time, and the places that we
want to protect from fire, homes, human development. You know,
that stuff's not in these roadless areas is up on
that what they call it the the wildline urban interface.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
So the wouie, I think is what people refer to
that as.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Who could forget?

Speaker 4 (14:30):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Who could forget that?

Speaker 4 (14:31):
The WOOI yeah, the wooie.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
So, yeah, we need to have management that can be
done in these places that are not in our inventory
roldless areas it should be. There's plenty of challenges to
that that can be addressed, and maybe there are ways
we can improve the roadless rule. I think there's room
for enhancing it, fixing it, finding more ways for more
of these exceptions to be created for temporary roads, to
do more of this careful management in the right ways.

(14:56):
I think there's a conversation to be had there and
a lot of conservation and hunting and fish organizations I
think would be happy to engage in that. But this
wholesale rollback of all of it that would eliminate all
of these you know, carefully managed and protected places that
benefit a lot of folks and a lot of wildlife
and a lot of user bases. That seems the wrong

(15:18):
way to go about this, at least my two cents
on the matter.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Sure, are there specific regions or forests where this debate
is particularly heated, like areas of the country that are
going to be affected more than others.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yeah, So there are inventoried roadless areas, which are what
we call these places that the roadless road applies to.
There are iras inventory roadless areas and thirty nine different
states from west coast to east, but the vast majority
of these spots are in the ten Western states, and
Alaska in particular, with the Tongus National Forest has probably

(15:53):
the largest impacted zone. The Tongas has about just over
nine million acres of roadless area there. So that would
make a huge uh, This would be a really big
deal if the roadless role was rescinded, especially up there
in the Tongas where you have you know, there were
a lot of roads built back in the day to
start developing the Tongas, and that has you know, for example,

(16:17):
really really impacted salmon and steelhead runs up there because
every one of these roads has culverts crossing hundreds and
hundreds of different streams, and that's a major issue now
that I know that Trod and Limited has been working
on for years trying to you know, fix culverts and
open up passageway for fish through these many, many different roadways.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
So there's a lot to be discussed there in Alaska.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
I know, for example, you know, in Wyoming and Montana,
some of my favorite places that I've spent time in,
those could possibly be impacted. So if you live in
the West especially, this is something you should be paying
attention to. But I know in New Hampshire, in North Carolina,
in Michigan, all those states have less areas that could
be impacted as well.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Gotcha? And what should people who care about public lands
access and conservation be watching for as this issue develops?
Where do things stand right now? And if they want
to weigh in, how can hunters and anglers make a
difference on this?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, So this past Friday, so five six days ago,
the administration officially proposed this rollback and opened up a
comment period. The comment period is a twenty one day
window that we the public have to submit to the
administration our thoughts on this proposal. And so I you know,

(17:40):
any hunter and angler who cares about these last roadless
places and who would like to see them, you know,
protect them this way, should absolutely go and submit a
comment explaining, you know, why these wild places, why these
roadless areas are important, why the careful management of them
in such a way is important for hunting and fishing
and wildlife and whatever else it is that you love

(18:00):
to do. If you go to backcountry hunters dot org,
there's an action center there that has an opportunity for
you to send a letter to your elected officials, and
then also instructions for how to access the Federal Register,
which is where you submit your official comments. So what
I'd ask everyone to do is to go there, follow

(18:21):
the action items there on that document, which would be
sending the note, and then submitting an actual comment to
the Federal Register. We have until September nineteenth to do so.
And so you know, this is this is the democratic process.
This is our opportunity to get in there and submit
our thoughts, to share our perspectives, and to ask our

(18:41):
elected officials and those who are appointed by them to
do what's best for the public and the long term
future of these places and the wildlife that live on them,
and we got to speak up.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Appreciate it. Mark, thanks for thanks for helping us better
understand this issue and for everything you're doing for public lands.
I know you got some groceries to unload and you've
got some deer to hunt this afternoon, So with that
we'll let you go.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Thanks guys, Thanks Mark. Good Night's Mark.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Boy, he's got a he's got a good delivery there.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Oh, great delivery. Great.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Good to have advocates like that on our side.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah. On that note too.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Rashad comment and said Mark just got out of the
grocery store and remembered he was supposed to go live today.
I will say, Mark, the reason for that is that
Mark is that technically off the clock today. Yeah, he's
out of the office. So he did us a big
favor jumping in.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
So's he's on a little family hunting and fishing trip
and he took time out of his busy time off.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Can I can I throw in a little color on roadless?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Sure, because so we call it.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Roadless, but there's about twenty million acres out there that
have pre existing road networks mark cover that at the
very beginning. Then at the end he kind of went
back to roadless, which it is roadless designated, but there
are pre existing roads out there that people walk and
hike and used to access deeper into these areas. But

(20:09):
sometimes that gets thrown around as like.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
The oh yeah we're locked out.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well yeah, there's that too, but they're like, oh, yeah,
your roadless has roads on it.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
How is it roadless? Right?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And the you know, the big thing here is that
there is a history of litigation by certain groups when
the roadless rule is used as it should be to
try to build roads for the purposes of habitat.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
And things like that.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Like there's a lot of sewing that goes on to
stop all road and building even though it's written into
the roadless rule, and some of those feelings have very
much come to the surface to say get rid of
the roadless rule.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
But the flip side of this is.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That you see the same thing with the Endangered Species Act.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, exactly exactly is the roadless rule is really working
for a lot of people in a lot of areas.
And so obviously there's middle ground here for roadless rule
reform where it's needed, and this idea of it's got
to be all one way or all the other way

(21:25):
is just not accurate. And so this is just really
lazy management to say, okay, get rid of the whole thing,
and also to classify this as only a timber play
is completely wrong. Timbers the thing that gets absolutely talked
about the most, both in fire fuel reduction, which nobody's

(21:46):
come out to say how we're going to pay for
reducing you know, low growth that is not marketable by
and large unless it's extremely close to like a pellet
facility or you know, a pull situation that makes it

(22:08):
something you would get paid to do versus something you
pay for obviously right now, like we're not talking about
paying for a lot of things, right right. That's why
I bring that up. So the other thing that's not
getting talked a lot about here is this would provide
the ability to build roads to areas for mineral withdrawal.

(22:29):
And when we talk about mineral withdrawal, we're talking about
something with large footprints and long term impacts that instead
of our friends seth here having to wait for a
logging operation to get done over the course of a
couple of seasons, and then going in and hunting that

(22:51):
stuff that now provides early successional growth that animals love
to come in and eat and can be really good
hunting if if that cut is done in the correct way.
We're talking about an area that Seth does not go
back into for his entire lifetime because it takes a

(23:12):
long time to run these mineral extraction operations, and obviously
we need stuff that comes out of the ground too.
But is that a situation where we have to roll
back this entire thing, or can we identify these areas
right and say, hey, this is really important right now,
we need to reform the roadless rule.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
To accommodate these yes, specific things.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
So, like, I, for one, very sick and tired of
a Democrat administration coming in swinging the pendulum extremely one
way and then a conservative administration coming in swinging it
completely the opposite way, when I feel like most Americans
are like, oh, this thing in the middle makes sense.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, yep, well, agreed, keep pounting the drum our. Next
segment is show would tell shot down.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Man?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Shot down? The sweet tones?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Shot is the song It's better? Or Philip dancing to
his own song better? Probably this is like his morning showers.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Stink face is good. Stink face is good.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Can you see I'm putting gel in his hair to
that song?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Oh yeah, that cut seth. Let's start with you did
you bring to share with the class today?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
I brought a thing that I found out on the
prairie one time when I was hunting deer.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Boy, that's neat.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is a bison skull that I found sticking out
of a bank. Wow in Montana. It's an eater size bison. Yeah,
not a big one.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Where are you hunting deer in Montana? And uh, like county?
Just joking.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
So, my wife had just killed a pretty cool cactus buck,
and we were several miles from our vehicle at this
point in time, and it was starting to get dark,
and uh, I just pulled up the old ONEX and
noticed that there was a two track that got us
a little closer. So I kept her there to work

(25:27):
on the deer. She needed some experience in breaking critters
down by herself anyway, opportunity.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, so plus then you don't have to be there
during that process. Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
And I was like, I'm gonna go back and get
the get the truck and make a loop and we'll
get a little closer for the pack out. So I
did that, and all my way there, I just happened
to catch out of the corner of my eye a
little bit of white sticking out of a bank that
was wasn't even like a exposed type bank that has like,
you know, a bunch of soil and stuff. It was

(25:58):
just like completely over and grass and little woody shrubs
and set. Yeah, and uh yeah, I just saw a
little piece of white and I kind of got the
digging around and it just kept getting bigger and bigger
and ended up digging that thing out, which was cool. Yeah,
I should I was in a hurry, so I kind
of there was a lot more to it than this. Yeah,

(26:22):
I should have taken my time and got the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, but then you got got the misses back there
being like, yeah, just abandoned go.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
The butchering went all right.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well I got back and uh she had just stopped
and was like I got to a point where I
just didn't know what I was doing, so I figured
I'd wait for you, gotcha? But uh yeah, very cool.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So I never found one.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'd love to, you know, there's a lot of them
out there. You just got to find them. A lot
of them are buried. But a cool story about the
the buck she killed. I found that deer like twelve
miles away the day before. Oh cool. Yeah, And we
woke up that morning and we're like, we're just gonna
go hunt a different area, and for whatever reason, it

(27:12):
to be that deer overnight.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
To get killed.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Moved a lot. So yeah, that's cool, that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Cal, What did you bring the class here?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
So I actually thought about this m first time here?
Or meteor radio life, Nate says, who wants to place
odds on what Cal takes off the wall for his show?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Take off the nightstand, I think.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
So this is the first real good book I've read
in a while here, and it's by this dude, Nate Schweber,
who was actually I think we were actually classmates, or
maybe we didn't overlap, but he's a Hellgate knight a
little Montana just like I am. This America of ours
Bernard Navis Devoto, and it is a great conservation history book.

(27:59):
It's got a lot of relevance for this time in
space right now. There's a healthy help on of super
cute love story. There's all sorts of I would call
him like celebrity cameos in here that are are really
interesting as well.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
But really.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
It tackles a lot of like land theft, public land theft,
and it's like.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
He's really engaged in like the late forties and fifties
right to photo, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I mean earlier earlier in that too, taken before his time. Yeah,
big old heart attack. Yeah, cut him down.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
But so when you're looking to forget about your day
to day stresses, pick up a book about public land
theft and pillaging of our shared resources.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And the reality is is just like today, the reason
that folks trying to take all this awesome stuff away
from us is because folks were paying attention.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, and it took.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Gold Bernard and nave us here to shine a little
light on the situation. So great book, highly recommend.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Very cool. Yeah, appreciate it well. I brought. I brought
two things. One I was the first idea, and I
thought it was a good psa. So I was looking
at the gear shelf and oh, bless your heart, this
is the deuce number three. It's a trial for burying
your waist when you need to defecate in the woods,

(29:36):
which I hope to be doing plenty of this fall
if my work commitments allow. This probably weighs like like
weighs like a couple credit cards. I mean, it's nothing.
Slide it right there next to your water bottle. Well
maybe not next to your water bottle, but it fits
almost anywhere. It's flat and burier. Duke folks cal had

(29:57):
an unfortunate incitant recently.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
The whole weekend the was just marked by human feces
on dogs in dogs surface pooping. Ye, human surface pooping.
The woods around Bosangelus are heavily loved by humans and
they're not burying their waist.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
So if you, if you're going out into the woods
this fall, and I hope you.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Are, imagine a long haired border collie, be prepared rolling
in your feces, yeah, and then running back and wanting
to jump in the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So this is this actually says on here.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's bad.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's zero point ninety seven ounces.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Snort eight for human poop and we make out think
of that. Yeah, it's horrifying. It is horrifying, Randall, Why
is that deduced number three?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
They have different sizes, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I think that's adults.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's great question. Yeah, there's different sizes.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I mean, mama bear, baby bear.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I used to knock a bear trowel.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I used to be like, oh, there's plenty of sticks
in the woods, but you know, when you got to go,
you don't want to have to dig around for something
to dig around with.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, or just grabbing that rock to flip over.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Just grab the deuce and release the deuce, as I
like to say, there you go. And then I also, uh,
I lost my bipod hunting last fall, and uh, it
fell off my rifle. It's got a like a little
arc of clamp and I was in a I was
in an unfortunate situation of trying to get a shot
off at an animal and lost my bipod. Didn't realize
until I got back home. Followed my Onyx track and

(31:28):
grabbed it last week. So a little once over with
the wire wheel on the dremal and she's good to go.
So nice, ready for ready to getting ready for the fall.
I couldn't make up my mind when I visited the
gear bench.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So you just just casually strolled in, just grabbed.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Something, didn't even think about it.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, there you go, audience, phil Uh, what's chat saying?

Speaker 6 (31:48):
Hey, listen your feedback. We got some good questions this week.
This might be a good one for cal. I don't know,
but Leland asks, what are everyone's favorite dove recipes?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Mm hmm, Yeah, don't cook them too long?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, kind of medium, raresh and and just gnawm them
off the bone. I've also ground him into sausage. My
favorite thing that I've ever done, probably is you take
your dove breasts and throw some kotia cheese and cilantro
and salt and a little cumin, and run that stuff

(32:27):
through the grinder and use the soft sausage stuff and
attachment and just shoot it right into halapinos. Oh, and
then just roast the jlipinos while on the top deck
of the Pellet Girl.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's kind of like a twist on the classic popper.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Oh people, Yeah, it's a killer. That's real good.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, I've classier than the I've always done, like a
classic popper. Or just throw them on the grill real
quick and yeah them rare.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah. We used to fill at the meat off the
breast and throw it in spaghetti sauce. It was like
instead of me like spaghetti and me balls. There was
like spaghetti and duve breasts. Good.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Ramble Ethan says, did you pick up some skyline while
you were home? And follow up for me, how was
the tailgate tour your stop?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, I can answer the first question pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Immediately after the Ohio State Buckeyes vanquished the uh deplorable
Texas Longhorns, I celebrated with four cheese conies onion mustard
in a small freeway. And then when the guy came
back and he said with the check, and he said,
you guys good, I said, no, bring me another cheese
cony please, just one onion and mustard. So I had

(33:43):
five plus three way And the next day I went
to the Reds game. And on the way to the
Reds game, I had four cheese conies, onion and mustard,
and I wanted to get more, but time didn't allow it.
I was on sort of a you know, I had
to crammele lot in I think, going to the zoo,
going to the baseball game, catching a fish.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I did it all.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
But the tailgate tour was good. I met some delightful folks.
I saw there was a question there about ehd in Ohio,
and I heard a lot about EHD in Ohio. Sounds
like it's pretty bad at the moment. And actually, when
I was driving back from the airport to my folks house,
there's a guy that you know, like the houses that
like we'll write something on plywood and stick it out

(34:27):
by the road with their thoughts on the world. And
this guy had written postponed deer Hunting twenty twenty five,
let the herd recover.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
WHOA wow.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
And that was like a half an hour off. After
I got off the plane, I was like, whoa, this
is pretty serious. And then sure enough that sort of
peaked my curiosity. And the next day I heard a
lot about EHD. So but all in all, fabulous to
be in the Buckeye State and got to see Ohio
State win, got to see the Reds win, and got
to see some gorillas.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
So, and that was Mason asking about EHD in Ohio.
This is from Stephen question for Seth. I'm trying to
beat twelve pounds four ounces Walleyes. Is four pack a
consideration or should I just be considering eerie?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think you're narrowing it. You're narrowing in too much.
There's lots of places where you can beat twelve pounds
four ounces. The whole Missouri River system as as a
whole is pretty fantastic. A lot of places in the Midwest.
I'd recommend looking at survey data from local or from

(35:38):
state fish and game agencies. You can a lot of
times you can go on there and see when they
survey different lakes. They'll do something that fish app with
that has all the survey data in it, the.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I fish what what is the the onyx.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
On ex fish fish app has. I think they have
Wisconsin and Minnesota and I think they just dropped Ohio recently.
But yeah, you can go on there and look at
different lakes and see trophy potential. But I mean Fort
Peck and Eerie are both great fisheries. But I'm not

(36:18):
sure where you live, but there might be places a
lot closer to home. Great good luck, I hope you
beat it. Hey, Jamie, your Amber would your Amber your
wife Amber would like us to say hi to you. Hi,
thanks for being a watcher and a listener.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Shout out, shout out, Jamie Thibodeaux.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Assuming you have the same last name as your wife.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Ralph asks cal A couple of months ago you were
on and talking about boots. You said, always get a
good pair of insuls. I am in the market for
some insuls and would love a recommendation if you have any. Thanks, boy, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Go some place where you can kind of get an
idea of what you're in s dep is and then
you like, you know, the I don't know what they
call a little footboard things any like kind of nice
boot shop has something like this, and they oftentimes have

(37:16):
an assortment of all the insoles out there too, and
and the difference between the insuls is like cushion, but
also how it fits the arch of your foot. And
you know, like all good things in life, it takes
a little little do one, little little time invested on
your part. But uh yeah, fine, final one that that

(37:39):
feels comfy and and eliminates that foot slide and you'll
be in good shape if.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
If for alf lives in central Pennsylvania. Little shameless plug
for the family, but definitely Center Boot Company, they'll get you,
They'll get your squared away. Cool.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
Let's do one more yeah before the next segment. Here
is from mad Sean a question for the crew for
mid October Hunts. How do you adjust calling an approach
when hunting elk? He specifically says, Roosevelt elk but in
dense coastal forest compared to rocky Mountain environs.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Sounds like a question for old Ryan Callahan.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Boy, let's call Jason Phelps.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I don't know much about Roosevelt elk. I would love
to go over there and hunt those things. They're super cool.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I do know that calling.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Calling works, is just hard to hear them because the
foliage is so dense. Late or sorry, early to mid
October around here is typically when the herds are are
built up and they're bigger, and that means they are
more vocal, so you have a good chance of locating

(38:54):
elk because they're more talkative. And then cow calls, calcaf
calls and combo can bring in satellite and raghorn bowls
on the fringe, which most of the time when I'm
hunting elk, I'm hunting broadside elk. I don't need to
go find the big herd bull because I want to
put that sucker in my freezer and then worry about

(39:15):
mule deer.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I agree, can agree more.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Thank you, Phil, and for those of you in the chat.
Keep them coming, Please keep them coming. We'll hit it again.
Our next segment is Hot tip Off.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah that's salty, Yeah that's salty.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Hot tip Off is where two listeners go head to
head with competing pieces of advice and after we hear
each tip, will declare which one is hotter. I think
we should change that to read and after we hear
both tips. If you have a hot tip, take a
one minute video on your phone and email it to
radio at the meeteater dot com with the subject line

(40:09):
hot Tipoff. This week, Hot tip Off is brought to
you by Mountain Oopsnops. Mountain Oops supports your daily journey
from mountain training to overall well being, optimizing performance, enhancing recovery,
and bolstering health, preparing you for any challenge. Today's competitors
are Chad in Coorvia from Eagle, Idaho and Nick Moroldy

(40:31):
from Cragsmore, New York, and they're competing for the Meat
Eater Classic Bison Hoodie. Folks in the chat, please chime
in let's see those hot tips.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Phil Nick Maroldy.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
Hey guys, it is Nick coming with a hot tip,
so good way to start training for your season and
get your kids outdoors at the same time. See here,
I got my little guy in the chest carrier. I
got my little girl in the osprey backpack. This is
a great workout that's self progressing. So I started with

(41:09):
just the one progress to two. It's gonna have to
get a little creative if we have three or as
this one gets too big for the chess carrier. But again,
self progressing workout gets your kids excited to be outside,
and it gets you some points with the wife because
she's got a couple hours to not.

Speaker 8 (41:29):
Have anybody hanging off of her. All right, I hope
you enjoyed. Take care, Chad in corfy up, hi.

Speaker 9 (41:40):
Me eater wanted to spit a hot tip. I'm preparing
to head down to Utah for an elk hunt, and
in putting my kill kit together, I got my.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Meat hanging string.

Speaker 9 (41:48):
This is waxed nine strand string used for a lot
of commercial purposes. Has a weight rating of about one
hundred and forty pounds. I'll hang an elk quarter off
one strand of that. See it's waxed, so it holds
its shape pretty good. Makes it easy to tie knots.
This twelve foot piece I just weighed is about four
and a half grams or point one six ounces. To

(42:09):
show you how strong it is, I have a piece
hanging up here and a makeshift pull apart. I weigh
about two hundred and thirty pounds and you can see
just a couple strands.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It carries it well, no problem.

Speaker 9 (42:23):
So instead of pair of cord or other heavy ropes,
grab yourself some waxed nine strand.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Col h fine based off his garage there he has
some experience. Yeah that guy killed. Smell guy looks like
a killer. Yeah, he borrowed a lot of hell.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
The poll is live in the chat. You guys are
picking the winners of two different contests today. I feel
like we're giving you too much power.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
But yeah, I want to strip some of power from
them and appropriate it to ourselves. But yeah, get get
in there and vote. I you know, beyond honest. I
liked the joke about this being a self What did
he call? How did he describe his workout?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Self progressing?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Self progressing workout? It's very clever. Yeah, Plus he probably
gets to eat a lot of like cheerios and stuff
that they drop on the ground. The one worry I have, though,
is that. Whenever I see someone with baby on their
back or on their chest, I'm like, Okay, that's good.
They know if they fall they can go that way
or that way opposite the baby. Right when you got

(43:29):
babies on all sides, he can either go left or right. Yeah,
you gotta go left or right. And that's not good
for the old rotator cuff.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Nope, you guys doing anything too dangerous? Too dangerous, why
you won't be doing that particular training actors.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Precisely precisely, it seems like. And also I'm far behind
this man in uh in his development of his equipment.
So you guys doing any uh, doing any hiking, doing
any getting prepped for the old season.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I've been so short on time. I have been just
trying to like bust out on trail runs. I mean,
as much as possible daily, if possible. But I put
the shortened time there because I'm trying to make myself
feel as poorly as possible with the least amount of time.
Otherwise hiking would be good. I do some running a

(44:25):
couple times a week and then hit the weights a
couple times a week.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
See you in here.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
It's really it's not like a season prep. It's just
like general maintenance for my entire life. So this poll
is could not be closer. So you have not voted,
you can tip the scales, so you get in there.
They're gonna end in about thirty seconds here.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
If there are fewer than three hundred votes out of
our audience of three hundred and fifty three, I'll be
sorely disappointed voting as you're right as an American, and
it's unconscionable that people don't participate when given the option.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, what are the voting statistics the opportunity?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just think it's embarrassing,
like people, you know, vote three hundred and sixty one.
Come on, get in there. I'd like to see three
hundred and twenty votes. Uh yeah, I like the guy
mentions he carries it. Well, that was one of my
I thought that guy two hundred and thirty pounds I
got stacked.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Looks great, I got stacked.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, all right, we'll give this ten more seconds. I
have not been doing much preparation or training. I've been
on a real downhill slide since visiting Germany two months ago.
Just gotten a lot of bad habits in terms of
what I'm putting in my body, and I feel it
every day when I wake up.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I mean the Ohio trip. I didn't want to say
anything on that note.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
I was going to ask if you wanted to go
a Guta lounda trip after the recording.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Oh yeah, I could be talked into that. I could
be talking. Yeah, yeah, I actually didn't. I mean, thankfully,
I didn't drink that much Ohio. I just ate a
lot of cheese.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I feel like I can't end there pole It's so close. Oh,
oh my god. Amount of cheese.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Is just a lot. You haven't even seen the VIDs yet.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And then the saltiness of the oh I feel like
it's so good. You're just entering one into your heart.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I don't pride myself on like overly healthful eating.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, but that that's tough. And Seth is the spouse
of an artist. You'll appreciate this. I found a painting
that I'd like to buy a print of, and it's
a Skyline chili parlor with a man dishing out Skyline
chili and Pete Rose is sitting there eating with him.
Joe Burrow, oh Mary Larkin Ken griffyr all the all
the Cincinnati like classic athletes, and they're just all enjoying

(46:45):
join a nice three way, Phil, How are we doing
on this pole?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I got it? Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Oh, I'm describing artwork that I saw in a fast
food restaurant, so we should probably wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I'm hoping you'll have another Instagram reel about your time
in Ohio eating these.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, I got to figure out. I forgot how to
do voiceovers, how to do the voice change on on voiceovers?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
So oh, just YouTube, I got.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I got a I got a real coming of our
Costco hot dog run. I got a real comedy of
my Cincinnati trip with some hot stuff.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
With just over fifty percent of the vote, like fifty
and a decimal points, the winner is Chad the wax
string for hanging whoa.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I wasn't expecting it. In Corvi, it was back and
forth for a while. I am interested in that doesn't
always win, That's what That's why I.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
End up carrying so much paracord. I've got like my
para cord to hang my food. I got my pair
cord to hang some meat. I got the paar coord
for just having paracord. You can just cut a little
bit of that out.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Parachord for hanging your para cord.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, just cut a little bit of that out with
this wax nine strand we'll be running.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
And Chad for winning the hot tip Off, you will
be receiving this wonderful Meat Eater hoodie, bice and hoodie. Look,
I'm pretty sure we'll be getting a hold of you
to get your size and address information.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
So yeah, I thank Yeah. If you would like to
submit a tip and win something like this wonderful Bison hoodie,
please submit your hot tips.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Radio at the meat Eater dot com with the subject
line hot tip off.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I thought you were actually asking me, Phil because I
don't own that sweater, and I was.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Like, well, I get I could, but I actually do
own that one. It's one of my favorites. It's thick.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Joining us on the line next is Ben Batton, Deputy
director of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, who is
coming to us live from Bozeman, Montana, at a meeting
of the Mississippi Interstate Cooperative Resource Association. Ben, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
So, so Ben was in the waiting room as you
said his name. I think he might have picked up
his phone to get ready and then accidentally left. So
we're gonna wait here for Ben to rejoin. Oh no,
I'm sure he's fine. I don't think it was anything
like a kidnapping.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
He was very excited for this. He was he was
surprising if he'd abandoned us.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
No, he was. I think he just accidentally left the room.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
This, this is unexpected.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
I was gonna say, we just saw Yeah, I just
saw him. He was right there. Well, we couldn't do
the trail cam contest while we.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, why don't we give something? Oh hey, Ben, how
are you sir?

Speaker 10 (49:31):
All right, guys, you're not gonna believe this. I got
one for you. Here is the ultimate hot tip. I
was sitting out for you all and two seconds before
I go on, I get your phone's too hot?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Oh yeah, that that always seems to hit it the
wrong time.

Speaker 10 (49:49):
I'm gonna hatty, you're in Boeman and I went and
dumped my phone.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That's commitment, that commitment to the show. We appreciate that, Ben.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Ben.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Can you tell our listeners who might not be familiar
with the Mississippi Interstate Cooperative Resource Association and I can
guarantee that it's most of them. Can you explain what
the organization is and who participates.

Speaker 10 (50:17):
Yeah, absolutely, thanks again, guys around me on, I really
appreciate it. So MICRA is the leadership for fishery manager
throughout the Mississippi River basin. And so there's thirty one
states in the basin. We currently have twenty eight folks
and this is going to be what's called the Chief
of Fisheries. Every state fish and Game agency has you know,

(50:37):
some number of employees, but the head is usually called
the chief.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
So it's those folks.

Speaker 10 (50:42):
We also have federal agencies like US Fish and Wildlife Service,
US Geological Survey on for Tennessee Valley Authority, folks like that.
And then of course all the tribes within the basin
are welcome. And basically, in short, the purpose of MICRA
is to do it we can coordinating inner jurisdictional fish species.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Gotcha, What are some of the challenges or projects that
you're currently working on as an organization?

Speaker 10 (51:11):
All right, Well, I think what makes the Missing River
basin awesome is also some of the biggest challenges. I
mean one point two million square miles three hundred and
twenty million acres, you know, the Missippi River basin. Every
drop of water that goes from the east side of
the Rockies to the west side of the Appalachians ends
up in the Gulf. So it's just gigantic. It's the

(51:33):
fourth largest basin in the planet after the Amazon, Congo
and the Nile. So scale here is a challenge. Also
neat is that you know, a fish can swim from
the Gulf twelve hundred miles without ever running into anything.
Take a left and head up the Missouri all the
way to Gavin's Points South Dakota another eight hundred miles,
so two thousand miles a fish can swim before ever

(51:54):
hitting a dam. But that's the best case in the
in the in the area, I mean, there's dams and
things like that that you know, mess with fish passage
and fish being able to move. We love working on
on a positive native fish species, you know, big cool
things like cattlefish and sturgeon and things like that, catfish,

(52:15):
et cetera. But probably our biggest drain on our energy
is the invasive part issue that is most of the basin.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Gotcha, Now, I understand that the micro's currently working towards
being recognized by Congress. What does that recognition mean and
what does that process involve.

Speaker 10 (52:37):
Yeah, that's great. I appreciate you guys checking on. So
the goal of this, it's an association, so we just
all exist by a bunch of signatures of you know,
fisheries group leadership. But our goal since nineteen ninety one
and establishment was to become a commission and basically that
recognition would give us one just more stature and influence.
So you know, a letter to Congress or some from

(53:01):
this association doesn't carry near as much weight as it
does from the Mississippi River Basin Fishery Commission. And then
the biggest probably is funding and resource. I think you know,
you guys talk all the time. I don't think you
find anybody that's a manager across the country that would
say they have enough resource to you know, for the challenges.
And so this draft legislation that we have right now

(53:23):
asks for in years two through five of existing thirty
million dollars a year for the basin and then fifty
million on after that. So a significant amount of resource
that would help us out. Kind of you ask where,
you know, what does it take? So we currently have
draft bills both the House and the Senate on the
Senate side, it's Bill ten seventy eight with sponsors from

(53:45):
Senator Wicker and Mississippi, Boseman in Arkansas, and Baldwin and Wisconsin.
And then on the House side fifteen fourteen the companion
bill with Congressman ezelf and Mississippi and Carter of Louisiana.
And we're currently looking for more sponsors. So if you
are somebody out there that has connections there and we
work with coalitions, it's just something you do on these bills,

(54:06):
and so there will be groups you all are very
familiar with, like BHA, Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, National Wildlife Federation,
and American Sport Fish Association are all working with us
to get this stick going good deal.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And are there other interstate conservation partnerships that serve as
a model for this approach and what have you learned
from them?

Speaker 10 (54:28):
Yeah? Great question. So there's four existing fishery commissions. There's
Gulf States, Pacific States, Atlantic States, and then the Great
Lakes and those have all been around since somewhere between
the late forties and the late fifties, and we visited
with each of their leadership as we were doing this
for kind of some Hey, what would you do differently?
What worked great? That kind of thing, and so that

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was super helpful and we mostly patterned ours off the
Great Lakes Commission and then probably the best known ination
with is the Flyway Council system that manages water sure
here in North America.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Looking forward, what's what's on the horizon? Obviously you're working
towards recognition, but but sort of what is the what's
the discussion there about what's what's in the future for
the for micro Yeah, we'll continue.

Speaker 10 (55:19):
To operate as we have for thirty four years, again
coordinating and doing our best to manage you know, inner
jurisdictional fisheries. Uh, but we're going to continue to go
to the hill a couple of times a year DC
and you know, beat the offices and try to get
in there and get this bill across the lines.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Great. Well been On a final note here, Arkansas was
just in the news for its first bear attack in
uh what I understand to be some twenty five years.
Can you tell us a little bit about the facts
of the incident and how if in any way Arkansas
Game and Fish is responding.

Speaker 10 (55:55):
Yeah, sure, so, Uh, yesterday in West central Arkansas, there
was an older gentleman working on a gravel road on
a tracker doing some work, and he was working with
his son who was a little bit out of out
of eyesight. Son comes back, finds the dad on the
ground and there's a bear attacking. Able to stop that,

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and game fish was obviously immediately called. They're heading up
and about twenty minutes later they get there and they
end up dispatching the bear. You know, it was a
young bear, which is really rare that it was a yearling.
They did eighty to one hundred pounds, and you know,
just want to emphasize it's really a rare deal and
especially for to be a young bear. And of course,

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you know, all of our thoughts are with the family
of victim and everything else, and hope that he makes
a successful recovery.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, same same here. Ben, Thanks so much for taking
the time to speak with us today and best of
luck to you in the work of micro here.

Speaker 10 (56:57):
Appreciate the time. Thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Yep, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I heard that stuff happens all the time in Arkansas
from Clay. Yeah, cougars, bear attacks, bigfoots, panthers.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, I get the impression from Clay that Arkansas is
like the wild West.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, well, sorry, Randall, did me to cut you off?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Please?

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Feeling to appreciate before Just we have an update from
our winner, Chad Uh. He referenced to Hunt that he
was about to go on and this was the outcome. Nope,
not that clever? Is it not working?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
To nice? Chad? You're even wearing the right stuff. Good
for you, buddy man, that's probably why you know.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
That's exciting.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Just why are we sitting here?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I know, why are four?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
It's September beautiful.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
And I bet that I bet that wax nine strand
uh handle those quarters nicely.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah, Chad, if I were you, I'd just roll around
on that underside of that bowl so you can take
that smell home with you for months.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Oh I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Thanks for sharing, Phil. That really added to the depth
and richness of this program.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, Jake, Yeah, my producer reminded me about that. Thanks.
Oh good job teamwork behind the bench there.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Oh yeah, it's now time for our trailcam photo contest,
presented by our friends at Moultrie. Speaking of Moultrie, you
really should check out their new Edge three. We recently
got to learn about this latest and greatest Moultrie camera
and it is super impressive. Plus they've got even more
exciting cameras coming soon. For this second round, we asked

(58:35):
you folks to send us your big bull elk photos
captured from your trail cameras. We got loads of submissions
on the met Eater website, so choosing these top four
contenders was difficult, to say the least. There are a
lot of fighting balls, impressive racks, and bachelor herds to
wet your appetite for fall hunting. The winner will receive

(58:56):
two Edge two First Light Spector Camo addition multi street
cameras with ten watts what ten watt solar power pack
bundles and a two hundred and fifty dollars gift card
to the meat Eater store and a two hundred and
fifty dollars gift card to First Light and a case
Knive's Brent Reeves signature mini trapper knife.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
You got Brent Reeves in the chat today?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
My goodness, how many watts watts? Ten?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Ten?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Great Scott, Yeah, Phil was sleeping on that.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I mean, that's a gimme.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I I just saw ten w and I second guessed
myself in the moment, you know electricity. I'm like a
medieval peasant when it comes to talking about watts and amps.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
And I.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Do not enjoy the use of trail cameras other than
the fun stuff like the you know, it's like it
takes some of the mystery out of the woods. But
at the same time, I also am jealous of not
getting constant email update. It's of cool stuff walking around
the woods. Yeah, it's a real conundrum.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Oh yeah, Phil, would you show us our top contenders please?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I'd love to. This is number one. Gosh, this is
from at seven sixteen three oh seven? What would you
title that? Phil? Well, luckily we've got a title. It's
called Brothers. Oh, it's beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
I don't know if Jake, if Jake titled these ones
or the people who sent them in, I would guess
just Jake. I don't know if everyone has settled it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
But it's cousin how we should have had a guest
spot with well Kelsey Morris in here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah this actually?

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Would you title this beautifully? She's good at that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
What do we got? What do we got?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Number two? That's number one here? I will start a
pull after we view all of the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah, remember, folks, you are choosing the winner that hefty,
hefty prize.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Package, insane price package. Okay. Number two is this from
brockwe wad Box's great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Wow, that's yeah, crowny out. Yeah yeah, he's not gonna
be like that for long better sticking fast, too many points.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
The surface of the water is really beautiful. You can
see the reflection of some of the trees.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
There's water in that photo, all right. Number three this
is from Heath Myers. Got butting heads actions. There's stuff
going on in the background too. Yeah. Yeah, another Raghorn
back there to the left.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
But these guys are putting on a real show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah, butting heads is kind of lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
We can do better than that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
What else we have?

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
Well, our producer Jake said that he titled all these
so good. Good job Jake, Jake, you yeah, do better.
Let's see all right, So that's the old tangled up
Number four, Winter Wonder I cut off to the borders,
cutting these titles off.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
That's that's on me. Winter. This is from Cage Rosen.
That's a that's a or KD. Rosen. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
A stark image.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
That's a good looking bull silhouetted nicely.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
Okay, I'm going to start this poll and then I
will go through all of the photos again. You guys
talk about them while I type up this pole here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Oh to me, there's a clear winner. Yes, yeah, same really, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Say it at the same time two the brothers. There's disagreement. Yeah,
I'd call it before the Rain my title Before the Rain.
Waiting out there in that pond late Bogs Brothers is
really I mean, if I took that photo with a
handheld camera, I'd show everybody it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Plus yeah, the back it is beautiful. Yeah. All right,
I'm starting the poll and we'll go through the pictures again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
But there's something haunting about that last image.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I do like the last one, Like look at the backdrop. Yeah,
the fact that you're not staring at a big muddy
water hole.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
You can see this nice because you can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Get wild animals like looking wild on this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I really appreciate that. The gate of these bulls too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Yeah, can't get wild animals looking wild in a pond. No,
they're just you know, it's like.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Looks like there should be some Sam comments that he
votes for in korvia The Big The Big in Korva,
the big one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, Chad, we kind of we kind of popped this
balloon already with a big dead bull.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yeah, Phil, let me get through.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Let me get number two again, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
That's number one, so I can wade bogs. Number two.
That's the one in the water here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
And then we've got number three butting heads. And that's
a pretty picture.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
That's just fun. That's just darn fun. October twentieth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
It's where the kids hang out right there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah. And then Winter Wonder number four. It's good looking.
I mean, it's it's an amazing al It is nine degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Twenty nine oh yeah, yeah, twenty nine fahrenheit. I was
like you, Celsius.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
The only thing that I just noticed about number two
the one that I voted for, and is uh is
it a trail camp photo. We've got the quality photo. Yeah,
I can't see the bottom out the border. I don't
think the original photo had any timestamps.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Seth, you can't accuse one of our contestants of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Sure you can't. I like number one, Okay, Cow's vote
is for Brothers. Number one. That says adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
But what's really important is what the audience thinks is
number is the winner.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
It doesn't matter what us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Remember, you guys need to get in that in that poll.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Only I can see the results right now we've got
I don't I don't think this is going to swing.
We've got a pretty clear winner. But I'll let this
run for another minute. If you guys want to get
some last minute votes in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Here, yeah, yeah, no, I feel like Randal, do you
have a preference?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Well, I just think number one is very tough to
If those bulls were a little more impressive, it would
just do it for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Well, this is the last thing I'm gonna say. None
of these animals are guaranteed to be there when you
show up, right, So number one is like, man, could
be anywhere, look at this country, but I know they're
here somewhere. And then if we go to number two,
like I'm gonna be stuck staring at this mud hole

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all day.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, you can just go there and get them, Yeah,
there and get them. I like getting them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, this just uh speaks to my heart, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
But got several people in the chat saying that number
one looks fake, and I don't know if it's just
the stream you guys are seeing, but this looks like
a pretty legitimate trail camp picture.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
To me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
It does look legit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
That's just what Montana looks like everywhere or wherever.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
This is all right, I'm putting an end of the
poll because one like one of these photos ran away
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Oh, let's do the CNN is now calling.

Speaker 6 (01:05:56):
Yeah, that's right, we're prepared to call Markopa County. The
results are in the voting and the winner with forty
percent of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
The almost half of the vote.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, clear winner number one. Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I hope we didn't taint. I hope we didn't taint
the vote.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Sold it was to take Yeah, I think is encouraged.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Right, Well, congratulations to at seven one six underscore three
oh seven. So it probably is a while.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
And just so everybody else, anything discussed on this podcast
is our right to make it a T shirt, So
tainting is encouraged as Yeah, that's ours be encouraged.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Taint is on a T shirt is encouraged.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Oh man, well, well gang, uh you know, congratulations to
seven one six, three oh seven. You've got a heck
of a prize package coming your way. Please say thanks
to the audience if you if you find yourself in
the chat in the future, because well, you're you've got
some trail cams, you've got some gift cards, you've got
a Brent Reeves signature knife headed your way, and I

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just closed out my script accidents.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
We got listener feedback, I got left.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Yeah, I've been missing some of the some of the
chat for the last few minutes that I've been running
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
You've been busy today, Phil, I hope you're doing all right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Let's start with just a fun recreational one may ask
what's the crew's favorite non game or non target animal
to just watch observe while hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Gray squirrels. Oh, they do weird stuff. Sometimes it's kind
of fun to watch easily.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Distracted and happily distracted bugs, horn toads, birds, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I'm gonna we're gonna call this a non target animal
rather than non game animal. I'm gonna say a bear
watching bears do stuff. Yeah, it's have The fun of
bear hunting is just watching little bears fall off things,
tip things, over do things for no reason at all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
We had a crew of Swainson's hawks migrating through and
for whatever reason, they're very social, so kind of curious
I think they took note of the fact that I
was aggressively observing their behavior. Sure, this is very urban,
you know, greater fringe bos Angelus region here. And they

(01:08:18):
came down a ripped part of squirrel on top of
the fence. Oh yeah, I mean like twenty yard viewing.
It was fantastic. Wow, got the stabilized binos out and
it was great. It was eating right there with them,
three of them, really really really awesome. Merlin app had
was great, super fun.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
Isaac is stoked about bo seasons starting in Missouri in
eleven days. Any sort of last minute rituals or things
you guys do in the last days before going into season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Get all of the stuff done at home that is
expected of you to get.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Done eleven days before. Usually start shooting my bow about
that time. Now I'm kidding, Hope you're shooting for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You've got You've got a good week and a half
to get your affairs in order so that you don't
get a phone call saying that you know you need
to come home to do this. Do that, you know,
get you to find yourself in the good graces of
your family unit and look forward to the season.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Yeah, in Missouri.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
You're probably starting your permethrone treatment right now, which I
think would be a crucial step to your game.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
This is from j He says, as we are closing
in on many hunting seasons. If one makes a bad
shot on large game and it takes longer than ideal
to find said game, how do you determine what meat
needs to be cut out or lost when you finally harvest?

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Smell stank, smell test it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, and there's portions that can smell, and if those
portions smell strong enough, remove them from the rest of
the of the situation so the smell of that stuff
doesn't contaminate you're you're sniffer because there there's typically is
not all bad, and you need to salvage every edible

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thing that you can.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
This is one that I don't think we've gotten before.
But favorite wild game meet pizza topic. Russell says. His
is duck bacon and goossolami. Wow, he guys put a
game on pizza. Yeah, just sa sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah, we don't do a whole lot of homemade pizzas,
but yeah, I don't know elk nachos. It's almost pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Joe asked cal scent cover yay or nay. Walk into
the wind. If you're stuck in a tree, like my
friend Mark Kenyon, just face into the wind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
We used to mess around with all that stuff and
it just is just more complicates life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
We should we should make a T shirt of Mark
in a tree and just his help. I'm stuck in
a tree. I'm Markon the host.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Of David asked Randall Pete rose Gay your name.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I mean he's a slime ball, but he's our
slime ball.

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
Yeah, Clifford, how does the crew store their food in
Black Bear Mountain? Lyon Country lives in Arizona, so Brown
Bear isn't an issue? Do you suggest putting food in
the bag away from camp? I think the the general
thing to do is to hang it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Yeah, hanging will just it's just going to solve issues.
Because if you leave, let's say you have a like
a dry bag or a stuff sack that you put
all your all your food in once you get to camp,
so you're organized and you're not packing around all your
food and you're in your hunting bag every day. A

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squirrel is going to chew through that thing on the ground,
and then you got a mess to clean up, and
you lose stuff, and then you're in that situation of like, well,
now I got to eat something that it's world half
chewed on and hana virus and all that fun stuff.
So you hang your food, even if you're not worried.
It's just going to prevent other things from happening. And

(01:12:10):
as I like to say, I'm totally fine if a
bear kills me. That's but I don't I'm not fine
if in the article it says.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Didn't hang his food. Yep, and then I get lumped
in like somebody who didn't know what was going on
in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yep. It's just a wherever you can prevent a headache,
like having something chewed through your backpack or whatever else,
like prevent those headaches because something else is going to
go wrong inevitably.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Yeah, self, I wouldn't worry about mountain lions. What do
you got, Phil? What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Phil?

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Here we go?

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
I feel a roll now, Yeah, real quick one for me.
We get this question a lot videos on Spotify. We
have no plans is not going to happen anytime soon,
specifically just because of other agreements we've made for getting
on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
It's very It's it's a pretty slick interface, cutting edge.
So when you just start, the audio of the video
just plays automatically and you can choose to turn that
on or off. Uh, Christopher catw what do you carry
in the field for your doggy first aid kit? And
where do you find any non typical items that you
pack up?

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
But you know, feed stores or your Murdochs or what
are they like the firm?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
What is a.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Mountain supply Rocky mountain supply. Feed stores always have a
really awesome what is the tractor want.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Tractor supply supply?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Uh, that's hard place the tractor supplies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, they always have a good vet section.
It's typically around like livestock, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Hot tip for you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Uh, you can go get doggy supplies there for uh boy,
like a fifth of what they're going to charge you
at the vet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
So that's where I go. And I always have emt gel,
which is like a liquid suture that can get you
through some tough time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Gauze.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I find a good tape that will stick to fur
for holding gauze in place, or you know like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Get these big coband stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Yeah, you get this like zipper, like ninety degree tears
in in dog hide from running into fence or corrugated
metal when they're going nuts after roosters and stuff in
that in that thick cover, and so you need something
that's gonna hold that flap down. And then I use
just good old fashioned iodine. Beta dye works well too,
and I just carry you like a small container that

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this sounds like a lot of stuff, but it's really not.
You can pack it down nice and tight, and then
pseudo fat, pseudo fed is good. Not it's an anti histamine,
but it is something just like it makes us drowsy.
It can put a little chill into the dog when

(01:15:13):
you need it to get relaxed, like if you are
in a rattlesnake bite scenario, because you're not gonna suck
the venomount like in an old John Ford film. Eye wash,
a little bit of eye wash, just you know, you're
over the counter stuff that folks with the bad eyesight

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used to flush their eyeballs out. That's like part of
our routine to keep dog's eyes looking good because they
pack a lot of seeds in there during hunting season,
especially when it's hot and dry, which unfortunately it often
is during bird season these days. So that little kit
right there will definitely get you through the hard times,

(01:15:59):
and you'll be able to package up your best buddy
and get them someplace pro or get them into a
good enough situation where they can keep hunting or walk
themselves out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
That's about really what you need. Hm. Great.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
I've got a couple questions about the new Wisconsin Meat
Eater store. I don't think there's a specific opening date yet,
but I think one update is that I think we're
still hiring.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
So yeah, if you're in the area, I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Believe we're still hiring.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Check out and isn't There's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
A little opening celebration coordinating with our Tailgate tour stop
in Madison, well Chester, Floyd and Spencer Newharth nice. So
take a look at the Tailgate Tour schedule and I
think the event page for that we'll have some mention
of the event in Brookfield.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I would I'd love to make it over there myself.
He is a younger fella. I used to area. I
had several good times in Milwaukee. Nice people, good food,
lots of good the best.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah, let's do one more. You guys have had some
great questions this week. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
I really appreciate it makes my job easier. But the
most important one for last Randall Top three zoos. This
is from Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Oh, I feel like this episode got way to Randall centric.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
You are the host. Yeah, yeah, live it up, drink
it in. Well, let's see you were just that one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah. I was just at the Cincinnati Zoo. It's a
world class, phenomenal institution. The gorilla world is above and
beyond what I want when I go to look at primates,
specifically great apes. Probably my most favorite zoo visit in
recent memory was the shoon Gotten Zoo in Vienna, Austria.

(01:17:51):
If you've never been to a zoo in a foreign country,
I highly recommend it because you'll read things in a
foreign language, and all of a sudden, it feels a
lot more sophisticated than when you're just in you know,
some suburban neighborhood, drink a beer and looking at a tiger. Finally,
Gosh had some good visits to the San Francisco Zoo.

(01:18:12):
I don't know if it's if it's like strongly in
my top three, but I've had some great visits there. Again,
some really world class ape encounters, and it's just been
there for me when I needed it at a few
key points in my life. So I leave it at that.
Fantastic Thanks Jackson, your interest in zoological gardens is much appreciated.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Well gang.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
That brings us to the end of today's show. It
was another fun one. Thanks to Mark and Ben for
joining us. And with that, we'll see you here next week.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Oh hey, I got one more thing for the audience.
If you're gonna be in the Manhattan area or.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Ideally if you live there Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Oh not Montana, the New York City, Manhattan, I am
participating in a conservation event at the end of the
month at the Patagonia Store with Conservation Lands Foundation. And
my god, I just got to looking at the prices
of hotel rooms. If you need somebody to crash on

(01:19:14):
your couch, hou'll sit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
He'll tell you some stories. Yeah, and he actually does
a great job cleaning up after himself. My barn has
never looked better since Cal's been on a little trailer
working tear. So yeah, there you go, delightful guest. All right, folks,
we'll see you next week. Thanks for tuning in.

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