Ep. 765: Chain Reaction Roadkill, the Elk Rut, and Harsh Truths | MeatEater Radio Live! - The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell of.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to Meet tadcast.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Uh it's eleven a. I'm here in Bozeman, Montana at
Meat Eater h Q. My wife, who just got back
from the Dolomites in Italy, still thinks it's two in
the morning, but it's eleven here.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm your host, Brodie Henderson.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm joined today by your favorite history buff and Frankfurter aficionado,
Randall Williams and the world's foremost wildlife and public lands
conservationist Ryan cal Cally.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh yeah, I'll trade you for the Frankfurter.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Today, we've got a couple interviews. We've got one about
road kill be getting more road killed. It's pretty cool
story out of Wyoming. And we're also going to talk
about what's at stake if the roadless rule on forty
five millionacres forty eight millionacres of your national force is rescinded.

(01:21):
And since it's prime time for all the archery out
hunters out there, we've got a rout report from some
hunters who are out in the field.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
And finally we're gonna lay down.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Some harsh truths and we'll check in with the crew
at our newest media to retail location in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Sounds funy, but first I've been I got an order
from on High to make an announcement, the announcement everyone's.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Been waiting for.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
In December, you can join Steve, Joannis, Clay Brent, and
our own doctor of History Rand Here for a night
of laugh, news, opinions, and free prizes on the Mediator
Live Christmas Tour UH. They'll be visiting the following cities Birmingham, Nashville, Memphis, Fayetteville, Dallas,

(02:13):
and Austin. And you can get details at the mediat
dot com backslash tour uh and and find out the
dates and the venues and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Randa Williams is going to do the entire tour and
a cousin Eddie bathrobe all on Christmas vacation. So there's
gonna be all sorts of fun Christmas hijinks. You don't
even know, you're crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I've been practicing all of my carols, even the weird
ones that no one likes to sing.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
You're gonna break out your Santa suit.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
I'd like to I'd like to actually use this opportunity
to invest in a real Santa suit at this company. Well,
I feel like we have the Yeah no, but hark
the Herald Angels sing. We're just going to get into
the the deep cuts.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Going south, which is a new, new kind of part
of the country that I hit on the tours before.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
People were riping for a long time, so we listened
to them. Guys, are starting to feel like fall around here.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
The leaves are starting to show some color, Temperatures are
cool enough, days are getting shorter.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's hunting season. I've been out for grouse a couple
of times with my boys.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Done all right, But my first big hunt is going
to be antelope season here in like what three weeks
something like that.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
We've got four tags.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
It's gonna be crazy trying to fill four tags. What's
your big, first big hunt of the year, Randall.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Well, I actually got out this past weekend and we
were in some areas of Montana. We have an early rifle. Yeah, yeah,
So I went in with a buddy and we camped
together one night and then split up and kind of
looped back to the truck.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Elk or deer?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
What were you after both? Elk? If it's the very
right opportunity because the logistics are difficult. But saw elk
saw a lot of deer. Actually, I was surprised and
just didn't. Yeah, but amazing to get out and amazing
to uh, you know, discover that the studs in your

(04:20):
binocular tripod adapter or loose, or that there's a hole
in your tense rain fly. Yeah, shaking it all out
before the weather gets dangerously cold.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's a pretty pretty unique opportunity to carry a rifle
around for deer and no super.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Cool, super cool and yeah, like just gorgeous country. We
didn't we saw people, but we didn't talk to anybody
for four days and nice, saw some moose, saw some goats.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Cool, cal You're doing a pretty crazy hunt. Did the
company take out a life insurance policy on you before
this traditional bow round bear hunt?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well I never thought about that, but knowing some of
the folks around here, like like I do, uh yeah,
probably probably there's there's some Vegas style Yeah, that's being
placed for sure.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
Our friends.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's fan duel first big hunt. Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean because that's a long hunt and then.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
People a little about it real quick.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, it's out on the Alaska peninsula and it's brown
bear and I'll be using my bow, which if you're
going to try to get a brown bear with the bow,
the fall time is up close and personal time because
they're in there on the salmon streams and the water's
rushing and stuff, and it's always windy out on the peninsula.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
So it's good.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Spot in stock conditions, provided it's not too nasty, and
so you know, the the deck is as stacked in
your favor as it can be for just getting in tight.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Are you are you camping on the island? Are you?
Are you doing the boat or how's it gonna work?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well, we're not into the islands, we're not on the ills.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
That's right, You're on the keen eye.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, yeah, And it's still TBD as far as because
you know, they're just they're flying in and out there
all the time right now. So it's we're gonna figure
out the best spot to be yep and and be there.
And I'm going up a couple of days before the
season starts, and hopefully I have all those little kinks

(06:32):
that Randall just gave me a little bit of anxiety
with ironed out before it's it's sneaking up on Bear's time.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
I'm gonna give you a little insider tip. Check your
air mattress for any slow leaks. The old hips are
a little sore.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, we got to carry tenacious tape with you, man.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, I know, I I uh. This is like the
first time in a long time. I was certain that
I had my my whole repair kit with me, but
for what I reason, it didn't make it in the backpack.
So it's a useful reminder. Yeah, but yeah, the hips
are sore. Started having to dig out my little hip
hole under my tent before I go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
That's a bummer when you wake up and those things
are just deflated.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
It's also a bummer when it's it's been solid. I
bought it used like five years ago, patched it one
time since, and I've never had an issue. Headed out
in Yellowstone last month, no issues. I don't know really
what happened.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
So and then five years you got your money's worth.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Out of it. Yeah, but I don't want to buy
a new one. Have you seen the prices these days?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
They are ghastly. But the flip side of this, right,
and this is the covey of signing up for a
big hunt. Is I have not done. This is the
furthest I have ever in my entire life been into
any legal hunting season without hunting a single day. Like

(07:54):
I've just got all this other stuff I have got
to get done, and rap.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Much going on in the world of conservation and public lands.
Cal is too busy.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
He no longer hunts.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
That is a real reality. That is just like so easy.
Is right there?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yep, it's right there.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
And I've spent my entire life fighting against that type
of reality.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
So start fighting for Cal so he can go hunt.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Geez, come on, I've got to lead on some sandhill cranes.
Oh lovely from the neighbor. So excellent. I've got plans
this weekend if you want to join.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
All right, we talked about bears a little bit. We're
going to talk about bears some more in our first interview.
Our first guest today is Brian DeBolt. Brian works out
of Lander, Wyoming for the Wyoming Fish and Game Department
as a large corn of carnivore conflict coordinator. And the

(08:49):
reason I came across Brian is I read an article
just in the last couple of days about multiple black
bears that were killed by vehicles at the same location
over the course of a day or two, I think
and decide to follow up with Brian and let him
explain to us about why it happened.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
We got Brian on here. He is, Yes, how's it going, Brian?

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Good? Hi guys, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Good?

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Good to meet you.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Thanks for you, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Before we get into this chain reaction roadkill story, can
you give us just a little background on what you
do for Wyoming fishing game.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
So, yeah, you read my title. It's a little lengthy.
Large carnivore conflict coordinator.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
So you set up the fights.

Speaker 8 (09:43):
Well, I try to referee him anything. So the large
carnivores in Wyoming that we deal with our black bears,
grizzly bears, mountain lions, and wolves, and whenever they come
into conflict with people is my role. Whether it's a

(10:04):
bear tip and over a garbage can, bear killing livestock,
you know, wolve's killing livestock, or you know, oftentimes hunters encounterbears,
you know, and shoot a bear and self defense or
maybe even a human gets injured or killed. Unfortunately, that's

(10:29):
my job.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I imagine you got to have a like a pretty cool
demeanor for that job, because on the one hand, you're
like looking out for people and livestock and things like that,
but you also need to like kind of keep an
eye out for the best interests of these these predator
species as well.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Well. It's uh, yeah, cool, I've never been turned.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
It is an interesting dynamic and often the the people
are sometimes more difficult to deal with. You don't say
yeah as you know, so it's it's interesting, yeah, And
you can't you can't judge people beforehand by any means.
I mean, you could run into a kind of a rough,

(11:17):
kind of redneck, old looking fella and there's none.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Of them in Wyoming, come on.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
But they they want to do everything they can to
make sure that the bear's okay, that we don't hurt it,
that we don't don't have to remove it, you know,
lethally kill it or anything. And then next door there's
a you know, in that elderly lady or something in
her nightgown, and she wants to make sure that bears
as dead as can be.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
So because it tackle their bird feeder for the fifth time,
why can't that bear learn?

Speaker 8 (11:46):
So you just never know it is it's an interesting
dynamic to yeah, be in the middle.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
It'd be helpful if everybody had some pointy years on
both sides of their head that either stand up or
lay down.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah, that we could tell a little better behavior.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
So with that in mind, with what you're out there
doing every day, I gotta imagine this time of year,
bears especially like very actively trying to put on as.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Much weight as possible.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
It's it's got to be very busy for you in
the conflict department, probably your busiest time of year.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
It's extremely busy, and this year is no exception. Yeah,
bears are in what we call hyperphasia, just like you mentioned,
trying to gain as many calories as possible before they
go into the danding period. And so they are forging longer,
they're active longer, and with anything they can possibly put

(12:49):
into their gut, you know, whether it's natural or unnatural foods,
And by unnatural I mean yeah, like bird feeders and
food and and that type of stuff garbage. So, yeah,
we are extremely busy right now.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well let's let's I'll tie that into what happened a
couple of weeks ago. Can can you just tell us,
like initially what happened, and then we'll get into why
after you kind of let us let us know what happened,
and if you want, like you can tell us where
this happened to.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
Okay, so real Briefly, there's a highway goes over what's
called South Pass.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Very famous place. Well yeah, among certain circles.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
It's a south south pass of the Oregon Trail and
different things over the south end of the wind River
mountains here and had lots of wildlife up there. But again,
long story short, and elk was struck and killed by
a vehicle, and in short order, within a matter of

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a few days later, a sow with two what we
call cubs of the year they're were born this year,
were struck and killed right at that roadkill elk they were, Yeah,
all three struck at the same time. And lots of

(14:16):
traffic again on this highway, it's a pretty major thoroughfare.
And then later that was early early in the morning,
and then later that evening, uh, fourth bear was struck
and killed at the same location.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
So and uh, normally you wouldn't get called into any
kind of like roadkill situation.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Correct, correct, So.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
If there is an animal, let's say struck on a
on the road and it's still alive, and maybe uh,
a highway troman or a you know, a state trooper
or a sheriff's deputy or something shows up unseen and
the animal needs to be put down, you know, because
it's correctly injured. They have to call us. We have

(15:08):
to give them permission to do so, because we're the
authority over wildlife. But a dead critter, you know, if
something's just been struck and killed, that is not our authority,
that's the Woming Department of Transportation, because then it's just
a road hazard and it's not live wildlife anymore. So
we typically don't get calls like say, unless it's still alive.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
So just for people who aren't following, an elk gets killed,
it attracts the sal with the with the young or
with a year old cubs, and later that the elks
still hasn't been removed, and it attracts another bear which
also gets killed. So what what like you got involved?
I assume at that point after that fourth bear got

(15:56):
killed and what happened after that?

Speaker 8 (15:59):
So actually I did get involved a little earlier. I
was I was aware that the that a bull elk
had been struck and killed post impression that it was
going to be picked up. And I'm sure not criticizing anybody.

(16:19):
There's road killed everywhere. It just happens a lot. And
then I got a call early in the morning one
morning that these three bears had been struck. So I responded,
and sure enough, it's a sow again with a couple
of little cubs. And I gathered them up, and the
elk was still there. And again I probably would have

(16:40):
when I had loaded it up, but I had three
bears in the back of my truck, and I made
another wrong assumption that, well, okay, it'll be picked up now,
you know. And then that evening, right at dark, I
get a call that another bear, a bear, was struck
and killed by a vehicle, you know, mile marker fifty

(17:02):
five whatever, And I said, no, that happened this morning.
I told her dispatch and there they said, no, no,
the guy sitting there right now that just hit the bear.
So I went back up there, and sure as heck,
a fourth bear right there on the same spot had
been struck and the elk carcass was still there. So

(17:22):
I went ahead and loaded the elk carcass. That time
m hm and got it out of there. So yeah,
it's uh, you know, these kind of opportunistic I would
call him. It's an unfortunate opportunity that these critters get struck,
whether it's a coyote or you know, we get a
lot of like ravens and magpies that are on these carcases.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I was going to ask, is this the first time
you've seen that kind of like chain reaction roadkill event
or is it is it fairly common?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well maybe not with bears, but.

Speaker 8 (17:55):
You know, this is the biggest one I've seen. Usually
it's one kai or you know, maybe one magpie or
you know, and we have had bears struck before, but
not to this extent.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
That's not this many.

Speaker 8 (18:10):
This is the first time I've been you know, doing
this for twenty six years, and this is the first
time I've seen it in this this big capacity.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
But I would imagine that, you know, Wyoming's got a
lot of desolate spots, even on these major highways, that
this is probably something that happens more often and we
just don't know about it, right.

Speaker 8 (18:34):
That does that? That's true. That's true usually when it
is a bear, though most folks do report that we
have a few mountain lions struck in the same you know,
type of scenario, and often it's a passerby that reports it.
I think folks might be a little apprehensive, well, you know,

(18:54):
especially if it's a grizzly bear right there. You know,
they're an endangered species on a and uh so they're
may be reluctant to call. They think they did something wrong.
But bottom line is it's just an accident. And so
it's off on a passerby it says, hey, there's a
dead bear land on the road and we get called

(19:15):
to investigate that.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Can you get a salvage tag for black bear in Wyoming?

Speaker 8 (19:21):
You can, yep, yep, if a if a bear is
taken legally, yeah, it can be donated there. Yeah, any
any donation of a of a grizzly bear, course i'd
have to be through the Fish and Wildlife Service. But
any other game under under the jurisdiction of the Game
and Fish you can get a salvage tag.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
But not not for roadkill? Can you get it for roadkill?

Speaker 6 (19:46):
So interesting?

Speaker 8 (19:47):
So with roadkill, there is a new law that just
passed last year and people are allowed to pick up
most roadkill I won't get into all the details, but
basically deer, elk and aneloe, they can acquire that, they
can pick it up it. There's an app it's called

(20:09):
Wyoming five to one one, And if you come across
the roadkill you want to salvage it for whatever reason,
you can log onto that five to one one app
and they basically give you a salvage number and you
can take that whole carcass. Again, some animals like bears
and lions or not, you can't legally pick those up

(20:34):
based on that, so, but other critters you can.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes, I would have thought I was in like a
candid camera situation if I was trying to salvage. Yeah,
like this is is this considered baiting?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Right right? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Brian, Uh, Wyoming has been been pretty good at building
wildlife overpasses in the last I don't know deck More
like how successful have those been in reducing roadkill at
like sites that formerly just sort of like known like

(21:11):
pinch points where a lot of animals were getting killed
by vehicles? Like have those overpasses like drastically reduced roadkill?

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Yes, they really have. They've been so beneficial And these
things as you can imagine are multi million dollar projects.
It's a huge effort between the Game and Fish and
the you know, Department Transportation and you know local wildlife groups,
the landowners. It's it's a monumental effort, and of course

(21:45):
we'd like to have more, but again they're huge costly projects,
and so right now we're picking kind of the low
hanging fruit. We spent decades, you know, identifying migration corridors. Again,
these choke points you're talking about where or roadkill accidents
are very common, and we're focusing on those areas. But yeah,

(22:06):
we'd sure like to expand it into other areas. Absolutely,
they're they're great, They're wonderful.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
I guess the last thing is, uh, if someone's involved
in hitting hitting an animal or they there's a you know,
maybe a big bull out like on the road dead,
like who do they call?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Who should they be calling?

Speaker 8 (22:30):
Yeah, so now that this five to one one app
is available, that's probably the best thing you can even
just if you don't want to harvest that, you know,
pick up that road deal, you can just report it
and it goes to the Department of Transportation and then
the maintenance crew can you know, nose there's a carcass there,

(22:52):
and they can get that scavenged and eliminate that road hazard,
so you don't have this chain reaction thing going on.
So that's that's a great cool. Yeah, great tool to
do that, or just called you know why dot whatever.
But one thing I feel kind of compelled to mention
too is especially with bears, because that's what I deal

(23:14):
with more often than anything. You know, we have some
some highways and everybody's familiar probably with Bear three ninety
nine that was struck and killed on the highway in Wyoming,
and she's darn sure not the first bear. There's been
multiple grizzly bears these roadside I call them habituated roadside

(23:36):
grizzly bears that have been killed along these highways. And
part of what contributes to that is is frankly, people
feeding these bears. And it's not good like say, a
roadkill that maybe's being scavenged by a bear and then
unfortunately a driver comes along and yeah, they don't see

(23:59):
this dark black bear in the middle of the road
in the middle of the night, and they strike it.
That's an accident. But when when people are actively feeding
these bears and and oftentimes it's just to get a photograph.
They don't realize how they're habituating these bears to the
roadside and increasing that opportunity for them to get struck

(24:20):
and killed or a person or a person Yeah, all
the Yeah, you know, family, you know, somebody vacationing from
a you know, different location and they come through Wyoming
or Montana and oh there's a bear off the road
and they clamber out. They pull over and clamber out
to get a picture. And you know, there could be

(24:42):
a semi truck or a delivery truck zipping down the
road at you know, high speeds, not looking for wildlife.
They got a job to do, and yeah, it could
cause a traffic accident or even hit a human. So yeah,
that's that's another big part of this, and that three
ninety nine bear and others do live a considerable amount

(25:05):
of their life roadside and that's not good. They're just
not living the wild natural life. And it was just
a matter of time, you know, before she was struck
and killed on the highway, because yeah, that just happens.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, but if she didn't live there, you couldn't take
pictures of her.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Yep, And you couldn't make the money and post it
on your Yeah, yeah, it's all about money, that's right.

Speaker 10 (25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And just to doccupile on here, it's not the bear's fault.
It's eating your bird seed. It's your fault for leaving
the bird seed out to get eight, So put it away.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
That's right, exactly.

Speaker 8 (25:45):
That's a good point. Cal I appreciate that. You know,
we work so hard with not only this roadkill stuff,
to try to prevent the accident from happening in the
first place. So much of our work is trying to
show people how to Yeah, you can feed birds, have
it at your house, but there's ways to do it
that the bears can't get to it. You know, if
you can't have chickens, you know, electric fences, you know

(26:07):
your grain, horse grain and stuff, put it away at night,
garbage put you know, secure it all away from a bear.
So we work so hard to prevent all these unnecessarily
deaths in the first place.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
And if you leave a dirty campsite, even if it's
all that biodegradable material, watermelon rinds, stuff like that, Uh,
you're just letting bears know that people leave good things behind,
So pack it out. With you.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
Free meal. Yep.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Okay, Brian, thanks a lot for joining us. It is
a great talk, interesting stuff. Maybe we we'll check back
in with you about about this kind of same issue
or something else that you're involved with at a later time.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Excellent. No, yeah, I appreciate you having me. Thank you
very much.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Have a good season, neither, well.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
I guess yes, Randall's been out el hunting, but poor
Cal hasn't. But we're gonna move.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
On to our rut report.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I remember that sound.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Oh it's beautiful. Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
This is the week in September that pretty much every
archery elk hunter who hasn't tagged out has been waiting for.
It's the peak breeding period for elk, and the ideally,
you know, the bulls should be screaming their heads off
and you hit the call and they come running in.
It's not always the way it works. But we're gonna
check in with with some hunters we know who are

(27:39):
out there hunting now. We're out hunting recently, just to
see if the action's been hot where they're hunting.

Speaker 10 (27:48):
Hey, guys, it's Corey Culkin's coming at you with a
Montana rut report for Wednesday September seventeenth, hopefully close. I'm
in south west Montana. This is day five of an
eight day elk hunt, and it's been pretty slow, to
say the least.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
The rut activity, that is.

Speaker 10 (28:10):
Elk have been pretty quiet, very nocturnal, hearing them in
the dark moving in and out of our little hunting area.
But it's also been pretty crowded too. Here in a
lot of dug fluty bugles from the ridgetops everywhere, and
I don't know if that's keeping the elk quiet, But
few people that I've ran into have agreed that it's

(28:31):
been pretty slow. Excuse me, pretty slow, So I don't
think it's just me hunted numerous different locations, different drainages,
driven an hour each direction from my camp, trying to
find hot cows and bugle and elk. And it's been
quiet in the general vicinity that I'm in. But the

(28:52):
weather's been inconsistent. It's been raining every other day. It
hasn't froze yet either, which I've always found that first
frost of the year really gets them going. And it
still hasn't gotten that cold yet at least here, so
we got pretty consistent weather The next few days really
hoping things pick up starting this afternoon because we only
have two and a half more days on this little

(29:15):
journey and I won't be able to hunt again into October.
So hoping we can pull it off.

Speaker 11 (29:21):
And yeah, good.

Speaker 10 (29:22):
Luck to everybody out there, and back to you guys
in the studio.

Speaker 11 (29:27):
That was real down Durham here with Philips game calls,
just wrapping up an elk hunt from last week. Man,
we faced tough conditions with full moon and warm weather,
and then it kind of turned. We got a bunch
of storms that kind of rolled in and that was
really nice, got a big cool down, but then we
still had that full moon. We were fighting and it

(29:48):
seemed like bulls were just pretty tight lips still. But
around the tenth things kind of turned. Bull started piping
off a little bit in the mornings, and on the
eleven Son Austin kill a nice bull, call him right in.
And then the twelve, thirteen, fourteenth, things are really starting
to pick up. So I feel like we might have

(30:11):
missed the really good calling action because it was kind
of tough there early. So anyway, everybody get out there
take advantage of this time. I think the bulls should
be ripping here for the next week and a half
two weeks and should be some big bulls hitting the dirt.
Good luck out.

Speaker 12 (30:27):
There, Hey, guys, coming to you from central Colorado, right
in the middle of muzzleloader season. We're out here looking
for some elk in the past few days, checking out
another zone today. He might be able to hear it.
Behind me, there's a spring with some running water. You
can kind of see the aspens are starting to turn.

(30:50):
Had some good sign did hear some bugles a couple
of days ago, but haven't gotten close yet. The weather's
been good, good fall weather, plenty of rain, and we
actually had some some snow at about eleven thousand feet
as well, and it got down to about forty degrees

(31:10):
the last couple of nights, so we're hoping that gets
them fired up. So it's been fun checking out these zones.
This time of year. It's a nice time to be out.
So looking forward to the rest of the week and
we'll keep you posted.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Good luck everybody.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Hey, what's up, guys.

Speaker 13 (31:24):
This is Logan here with the Reut report coming out
of southwest Montana. Things are definitely shaping up to be
a great couple of weeks out hunting as we head
into the third week of September in the place that
we've been hunting. The opening weekend, things were pretty slow.
We didn't hear too many elk bugling. We saw a

(31:44):
lot of cows, but most of the bulls seemed to
be in their summer range and hadn't came down to
try to breed cows yet. You know, this past weekend
things were starting to pick up. We heard a lot
more elk vocalizations elk rebublin at night, later into the morning.
We're able to call bulls in on Saturday, and we've

(32:06):
heard them talking all Sunday. So this this next week
should be even better. The fall equinox is on September
twenty second this year, which is typically corresponds with the
peak rut, and cows are coming into heat around that
time period. So typically the five or ten days before

(32:27):
and after the fall equinox or the peak rut, you're
going to have a lot of rutting behavior, which will
make elk much more susceptible to calling.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Bulls are going to be fired up.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
You know.

Speaker 13 (32:41):
It's just a great experience to be in the woods
and here elk bugling. So this is the perfect time
of year to do that, especially these next couple weeks.
So you know, in southwest Montana, we've got some cooler weather.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
It's not too hot.

Speaker 13 (32:56):
The new moon's approaching, so the nights are going to
be dark, the days are going to be relatively cool,
and those are all the perfect conditions for all county.
So I am very much looking forward to getting back
out there. I hope you guys are too. I've got
a hunting trip plans. You're in for a good however
long you're going to be out there for, and yeah,

(33:19):
can't wait to get back out. I hope you guys
are having fun and.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Good luck out there.

Speaker 14 (33:26):
Jason Phelps with Phelps Game Calls, calling in for a
quick Elk Woods Rutt report. I've been in Northern Utah
hunting since the eighth of September. It's now the thirteenth
of September, and kind of what we've seen, we've had
some good days, but it's just not quite cranking yet.
Some of the bigger bulls are still leaving their cows,
you know, in the morning, to go bed separately. Still,

(33:46):
so it just kind of lets you know that things
aren't really happening. We have got on some herds where
some cows have been an estris, and you've heard bulls
glunking and really trailing you know, specific cows. But overall,
I feel like it's just kind of getting going. I
would say in the next day or two, you know,
maybe some cold weather snap in there, but I would
say by the fifteenth, sixteenth, things are heating up to
really be going. But that's my rut report from northern Utah.

(34:10):
Things are just getting ready to be going. And I would,
if I had to guess, the fifteenth to thirtieth is
going to be on fire. Take care of Good luck
to all you out there, and good luck in Elk Woods.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Our audience here asked to decide if any of those
people are you know, worth listening to in the first.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Player full of Shit, Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Corey looks like he is on day five. Okay, day hut.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Those reports just just make even angrier that you're not
out there right now.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Cal oh no, no, I would love love to be
out there, but I always I have always done a
heck of a lot better. If I didn't listen to
any of that type of stuff and you just went hunting,
you just gotta go hh. Yeah, I agree with that.
I mean they're they're pretty consistent reports. You yeah things

(35:01):
right now is the time?

Speaker 11 (35:02):
Right?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I do. Uh the throwing out the equinox as fact, well,
it's like, you know, fall equinox happens, and the activity
has to peek around that, you.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Know, because some people would say that about the moon too.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Although I'm inclined to listen to Logan because he filled
every single tag that he had in Montana last year. Yeah, man,
I think the only guy in the office that I.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Think Logan is fantastic. He's a fellow third floor office mate.
Last year was his first.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Oh, come on, I'm not I'm just sad.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Context.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
All right, it's time for some listener feedback. Give us
some juicy, juicy stuff, phil important questions, hot takes, grumpy people,
happy people, lay it on us.

Speaker 7 (35:56):
Sure, this is from Spicy Nachos. I have an ethical
question for you. I would out elk hunting last week
and came across a cow with a severely broken leg.
The kicker is that she had a calf with her
in a wolf dense area. Would to take the cow? Well,
there's some typos in there. But I don't know if
you guys can put to put together a.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Like, I don't know that that's like it's not ethical.
I don't think it's unethical to not shoot her. I
don't know about you guys, but I also think there's
no problem with shooting her.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, you know there's.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
You can't assume with wild legs. Yeah, I've seen uh
way back when the first dude I guided with, he
had a three legged dough that had you know, noticeable limp,
And every set of clients who had a dough tag
was like, well, it'd probably be better if I had
killed her, and you know, we'd be like, yeah, cool,

(36:54):
make a stock. And this this old gal was cagy.
But the truth was, I mean she was there for
five years, twins.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
And there was this dough that lived like near my
buddy's house where we used to hunt. There was a
dough we called Peggy and she was around for almost
three years.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Because she reminded you of your aunt.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Because she was missing a leg.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Oh yeah, I will say this past weekend at our
first camp on the Glassy Knob, the first thing we
saw was a bull moose and we're like, that's not
what I thought the first thing we see on this
trip would be, and that that moose had I don't
know if it's a broken leg or some kind of growth,
but its back left leg was swollen up like the

(37:42):
size of a basketball, and it was kind of dragging
it and it fell or almost fell a couple of
times just trying to step over things. And god, it
was hard to watch. But I you know, it's like
if it's it's one thing, if you have a tag, right,
and it's like, that's an animal. If you're after a
cow elk it's got a broken leg, I think that
calf is going to be fine.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Well, I mean the opposite of that, right, is like
that cow has proven to be a successful adult breeding animal.
She is expending energy to keep that calf around. If
you're really thinking about her health, I'd kill the calf.

(38:24):
That way. Mom gets to focus on herself and she's
got the survival instincts. Mathematically, that calf is probably is
voted the most likely to die. Yeah for being an idiot.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
And listen, if you're going to decide to shoot an
animal that's injured like that, you're you know, you got
to own up to it.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
If you cut that thing open and that whole hind
quarter is green and smelly.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, that's your tag.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer for that.
Like if if it makes you feel good to kill her,
kill her. If not, like, go fill your tag with
another animal.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
And don't assume.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Logan came in to clarify that he killed those elk
with a bow, so he just wants to. He also
says he's killed elk before that, but I don't know
what he's referring.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
I got your logan last year was his first archery elk,
but he's killed other elk.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
M This is a big question, but I don't think
it's something we've tackled before on any podcast I've been
a part of.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 7 (39:22):
This is from Ethan Blair. What was your worst hunting
or fishing trip? And why is anything the first thing
that pops into your head?

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I'll just tell you, like bad attitudes in camp. We
used to call him the camp cancer and the you
can be on for all reasonable people, it would be
like the worst trip ever. But if everybody on the
worst trip ever has a good attitude, it's still like

(39:55):
an enjoyable time.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
I'm trying, I'm trying really hard to think of a
trip where I was like, God, in hindsight, that was horrible.
But a lot of times the horrible trips you look
back and you're like, that was okay, that was fun, Like.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Exactly, that's an adventure.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
I have a bad one for my dad when we
went to the Boundary Waters. One of the times we
went to the Boundary Waters, well, he got he got
the treble hook. He got a treble hook, one rock
in each finger, and we busted that out. Then he
was throwing a bear bag or a bear hang over

(40:32):
over a limb, sort of standing on a steep cut bank,
and he fell down the cup bank. You know, his
momentum throwing the throwing the rock took him down the
cup bank. And and that was the same day as
the fishing hook. And then the next day he and
the other guy that was in his canoe capsized in
the middle of a giant lake. A great story. Oh

(40:53):
and he got bit by a spider. And so when
we got back to Ely, they took him into Duluth
because they thought it might have been brown recluse, and
he was. It was like the wound was opening up,
and I was just like, man, that's.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
A rough day.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
That's a rough that's a rough little trip for one guy.
But that was a great trip for me.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I would rather be on a bad trip with great
attitudes than a great trip with bad attitudes.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Totally, totally, completely.

Speaker 7 (41:18):
I'll do a couple more here. That was from Ethan
by the way, this one's this one's fun. I think
this is from Michael. Question for the crew, what coworker
would each of you pick to hunt hunt with for
white tail, elk, and black bear? And I encourage hurting
each other's feelings too.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I don't hunt with like the whole crew for any
of them.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
No, you can't say that you gotta pick one.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
fIF one for each species.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Sure, Yeah, for white tail, I would say either Mark
or Spencer. Sure, based on based on improving my odds
of success.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, I'd want Jason Fellis to guide me for.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Elk, yep, and then black bear. Maybe Corey Caulkins.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah, he kills a nice one every year.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Wouldn't be honest? This is kind of ruthless. Well, well,
I mean he seems to have a lot of long,
lonely hikes in the spring, yes, Uh, this is ruthless.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I would love with uh Dirk because I haven't got
a l hunt with him. Jason Phelps is very fun
dude to hunt with, like like just just fun. And
when we hunted the other night that was killed anything
it was. It was a fantastic trip. And I would

(42:44):
rather go white tail hunting with Mark Kenyon over Tony
Peterson purely for you know what, maybe I retract.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
That you know what you know you still haven't say
is Clay for black bear?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm gonna say Spencer new Heart for whitetail? Yeah, because
I know I would just bug the living shit out
of it and it would be very entertaining the whole time.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
You'd be like, God, forget these white tails. I'm gonna
go look for a mule.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Do I've gone to Well, I guess I have black
bear hunted with Clay, but I'd love to sit in
a tree stand over bait with Clay just to see
him watch bears, because I've gone to the zoo with
Clay and watched bears at the zoo with Clay and
that was fun.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
He was like, yeah, that would be very entertaining.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Okay, I'll save the rest of later. No, Phil, you're
doing great, Okay, thanks, we'll do one. Mores is from Noah.
Question for Randall on a scale from one to ten,
how bummed are you that you missed the D and
D session?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Honestly, I'm sick to my stomach.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
I was too. I was devastated when I can't.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Believe Spencer lined it up in that way. I made
my availability clear, uh and and yeah, it's just enough.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Asked him why you weren't there, and he said you
weren't available?

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Yeah, I was country.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
I saw Randall declined the invite, and I sent him
a text saying, you're going to miss miss the session.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I was trying to well.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
I didn't even realize it was D and D. I
thought it was just gonna be feel trivial, nobody.

Speaker 7 (44:09):
The only two people that knew it was happening were
my wife and Spencer's wife.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
So I still don't think I understand what D and
D is, But it seemed.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I hopefully Phil, you were you were pleased with our
ability to adapt. It was hard at FT. I was like,
I was so confused, what was going I tried to.

Speaker 7 (44:30):
Ease you into it, and you guys did did so well.
There were even people that messaged me saying, I'm so
glad Brody and cal were game to play, because I
thought they would just turn their nose up at it.
And I I had that worry too, which is why
I invited Shelby to bring some enthusiasm into the room
in case you guys just walked out on me.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I just didn't understand. I was like, I was waiting
for like a formal like rule thing. Okay, and now
this is how you play the game. I was like, I, yeah,
you guys didn't need that. It was hard you got Yeah,
he did great, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
You'll have to develop a new campaign that campaigns what
it's called, right Phil. That's right, Brody, we'll do a
new campaign sometimes sounds good.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
Cool. All right, that's it for now, Phil, For now
we go. We'll save some more for the end of
the show. So all right, keep sending him in.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
We got another interview coming up.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Next up, we've got Chris Hill, who is the CEO
of the Conservation Lands Foundation. She'll be joining us from Alaska.
CLF is the only organization dedicated to the conservation and
expansion of national conservation lands, which she'll have to explain
a little bit, which currently total about thirty eight million acres,

(45:41):
And I'm gonna let Cal handle this one because he'll
do a better job than me.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, Chris and I are internet friends.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, welcome Chris.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I just say that because we haven't met in person ever.
As this world goes, Yes, how are you Chris Hill?

Speaker 15 (46:00):
Great? How are you guys doing things? For having me?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
And where are you today?

Speaker 16 (46:05):
I am in Haynes, Alaska, which is southeast Alaska, and
it's the first day in four days that it hasn't rained,
so it's really nice out.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Do you would you mind hitting us with a quick
Southeast Alaska hunt fish report? Have you been doing anything fun?

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (46:23):
Yeah, so you know this is this is the best
time I think to be in Southeast Alaska because it's
co host season so.

Speaker 15 (46:31):
And Coho is probably my one of my favorite fish
too to fish for. So they're here. The derby started.

Speaker 16 (46:40):
I gotta I gotta keep my championship up and win
the derby again this year.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Oh wow, you're the returning champ.

Speaker 16 (46:48):
I am the returning champ on the fly only.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Still nonetheless.

Speaker 15 (46:54):
Yeah, it's fun, it's a lot, it's really fun.

Speaker 16 (46:56):
And we just got back from a trip to Yakutat
to go surfing and fishing, and we did a little
fish a couple of days on the Sea Tuck to.

Speaker 15 (47:06):
Fish for coho and it was just fantastic.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
And steelhead fishery too, right they do.

Speaker 16 (47:14):
Yeah, so sea took the Sea Tuck is a really
awesome river. It's in the Tongas and it's home to
all five she sees a Pacific salmon and has a
healthy steelhead run. So it's it was, It was really amazing.

Speaker 15 (47:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Heck yeah, Well, since you said the magic word tongus,
would would you like to really this is your time, Chris.
But we have lots of things happening all at once
in the conservation landscape. What are you and clf uh

(47:50):
working on the most? What's what's your number one item
to tackle?

Speaker 15 (47:55):
Oh that's that's a hard one. So because there's just
so many things.

Speaker 16 (48:00):
So Conservation Lands Foundation represents this broad, nonpartisan national network
of community leaders that are solely focused on the lands
from BLM. We're focused on expanding, protecting, and restoring those
lands at BLM. And you know, as you guys know,
BLM is the has the largest amount of the country's

(48:22):
public lands at two hundred and forty five million acres,
and just in comparison, that's larger than the Forest Service
and probably three times.

Speaker 15 (48:30):
Larger than the National Park Service.

Speaker 16 (48:31):
So these are all those lands in between the National
Park Service, and we work with over eighty community led
land conservation organizations across the West and really do it
in this sort of community based advocacy model where investing
in local leaders to protect their lands has really proven
to be one of.

Speaker 15 (48:52):
The most effective strategies.

Speaker 16 (48:53):
So, you know, really as we look at sort of
the onslaught of all of the things that are happening
and all of the attacks that are happening on public lands,
the idea that we want to privatize these places is
still incredibly unpopular opinion in the communities. And we'll continue

(49:14):
to see, you know, we as a community did a
really great job the selloff of public lands during the
reconciliation fight, but we're going to continue to see the
onslaught of more and more things that are going to
come from the administration and Congress to try to continue
to privatize those lands. So right now, what we're working on,

(49:34):
and I would say there's probably two big issues at
the moment, the repeal of resource management plans within Congress,
and then on the administration side, it's opening up drilling
in the Western Arctic and the repeal of the public
Lands Rule.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
And we have not talked a lot about Western Arctic
here recently. Would you want to give us a quick
snapshot of of what the conversation is. Western Arctic obviously
huge caribou area, and our Western Arctic herd is not

(50:12):
historically healthy right now from a population standpoint, and Western
Arctic has some calving areas, and obviously a huge migration
route for our migratory birds.

Speaker 16 (50:30):
Absolutely, and it's one of the last remaining intact ecosystems
we have on the planet. Right, I think I think
you went this summer to did you go to the
Western Arctic.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Or well, we have been like we would have been
east to west. Yeah, we were, so we were, we were.
We were still quite aways east to like Prudo. Okay, yeah,
we're closer to Canada.

Speaker 15 (50:54):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 16 (50:55):
But that whole entire system, right is super important. And
so right now we're kind of in a holding pattern
at the moment. So in June, the Interior Department proposed
to rescind the current Integrated Activities Plan.

Speaker 15 (51:11):
So it's like a management plan for the Western Arctic.

Speaker 16 (51:14):
And that plan limited oil and gas development from expanding
into the special areas, which is some of what you've
been talking about within the Western Arctic. The important piece
of that plan is that it really did balance energy
production with the protection of this ecosystem. They opened it

(51:37):
up to rescind it, they proposed to rescind it, they
had a comment period.

Speaker 15 (51:41):
That common period.

Speaker 16 (51:42):
Has since closed, and during that common period, we really
saw the communities rise up and have a steady drombeat
of opposition. So right now we're waiting for the administration
to release its final plan.

Speaker 15 (51:56):
During there at the same time, if you remember, during
the congression all.

Speaker 16 (52:02):
Reconciliation fight, the Senate added back in provisions that directed
DOI to resume oil and gas, the oil and gas
leasing program in the Western Arctic. So this that provision
sort of went back to the Trump era plan that
requires at least four million acres to be leased for drilling.

Speaker 15 (52:23):
So there's more to come here.

Speaker 16 (52:25):
I think we'll it'll start to unravel itself again and
we're probably going to see this in the courts.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And then I guess real quick, what from that community
level that you spoke about, what's the community response in
regarding in regards to rescinding roadless in the in the Tongas.
Tongus and roadless typically go hand in hand. You can't
talk about Roadless Act without talking about Tongus.

Speaker 15 (52:56):
Yeah, that's for sure, you know.

Speaker 16 (52:59):
So Tongus is national forest and it's it's dear to
my heart because it is in my backyard. This is
where I recreate all the time. And the Tonguess National
Forest is particularly going to be affected by the recision
of the roadless rule because it's you know, the worldless areas,
and the Tongus is almost ninety two percent of all

(53:22):
of the forest. And you know, as you guys know,
the Tongus is the largest national forest in the United States.
It's the world's last remaining temperate rainforest. It's called the
climate forest or the lungs of the North of North
America because of its old growth trees and the ability
for those trees to really like breathe in carbon and

(53:46):
use it as a carbon sink for the rest of
the earth. It's completely and just beautifully biologically diverse it's
home to brown bears.

Speaker 15 (53:55):
And black bears and wolves and all sorts of Sitka.

Speaker 16 (53:58):
Blacktail deer, which by the way, that's that hunt is
starting soon too, so I'm super excited about that.

Speaker 15 (54:05):
And it's like it's one of the most important habitats.

Speaker 16 (54:08):
For all five species of Pacific salmon, so it's super important.
It's culturally important for indigenous folks who have steward and
lived on the land since time immemorial, and it's a
tourism powerhouse. You have all of the things right for
the Tongas that just make it a really important place.
And because of all of those things, those communities are

(54:29):
the ones that are really standing up and saying no,
we want to keep the roadless rule intact, and it's
important to do so. You know, the roadless rule has
been around since two thousand and one. It's nine million
acres of the Tongas that are designated as roadless, and
it's important for us to continue that. It's not just
the Tongus that the roadless rule helps, right, it's across

(54:54):
the west and probably a lot of areas where your
folks are listening from as well. So I think we
have one more day. I think the comment period ends tomorrow.
I know Trod Unlimited if you go on to TU
dot org that you can submit a comment on their portal.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
T's got a good map too. The Wilderness Society's got
a good map up. BHA's got a good map up.
If you've got on X you can see you can
put on your your roadless area layer and and see
you real quick. Speaking out of bos Angelus here, our

(55:34):
entire watershed for the Gallatin Valley is in a roadless
area and highly highly accessible for all you casual dog
walkers even so exactly. Yeah, well, well used, well loved stuff.
Yeah darn right. Well how do folks learn more about

(55:56):
CLF Chris.

Speaker 15 (55:59):
Oh, great question. So we're on all the socials, right,
you can.

Speaker 16 (56:02):
You could find us on Instagram and all of the
social media's and then you also can go to Conservation
Lands dot org. That's our website. You can get involved there.
We also, as I said, we work with over eighty
local nonprofits, and I would imagine that a lot of

(56:23):
folks can be connected to some of those local nonprofits
to really do some of the work on the ground
and get to know the folks in the communities.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
And I will add that you just mentioned to U's
action page. I went on there and just submitted a
comment now and I even personalized it, so everybody in
the chat, it doesn't take that long to go and
make your voice heard on these public lands issues.

Speaker 16 (56:48):
That's right, and you know we've seen time and time
again it's those comments that make a difference.

Speaker 15 (56:54):
Some people are like, what is my comment going to do?

Speaker 16 (56:58):
But it actually makes a different increase that record to
show that either the public is for or against an issue.
And you know, when we're looking at it from the
agency perspective, but also from the congressional perspective. Congress people
want to hear from their constituencies. And when we band
together and have that voice become you know, very large
and big things happen and things change. And we saw

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that with the publicly and sell off fight.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And if you folks at home want to think about
it in a very tangible way, do you act differently
when people are paying attention to you?

Speaker 15 (57:36):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Our representatives and our senators, they can darn sure act
differently when they know a lot of people are paying
attention to them. So right, that's part of getting your
comment yeah, uh, Chris Hill, thank you so much. Con
Conservation Lands Foundation, we'll have to have you back on
and where to go, Where to folks to find you again.

Speaker 16 (58:01):
Conservation lands dot org or any social channels.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Awesome, Well, thank you so much, and we or I
we'll see you in the heart of the cold, cold
city next week when we're going to talk about climate
and conservation and public lands in Manhattan an actual island.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Running around there.

Speaker 15 (58:23):
No, we might see some rats though.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yeah, thanks Chris.

Speaker 16 (58:31):
Yeah, thank you all, and I'll see you soon.

Speaker 11 (58:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Thanks Chris.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
We got a new segment for you today and it
is called Three Harsh Truths.

Speaker 7 (58:43):
Hey, little honey, let me launch your candle cozy so
hot to handle now, spin doctors like I just.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I just came up with this segment of couple of
days ago, and you just, oh my.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
God, we should just make up new segments all the time.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
Oh please don't.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
It's the highlight of this show.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Three Harsh Truths is where our panel of experts, self
appointed experts, We're gonna share some things that most people
might not want to believe, but they're certainly true, at
least according to us. And I thought about calling it
hot takes, but it's like overused and hot takes are

(59:30):
typically opinions that are expressed like without any real evidence,
and we wouldn't do that to you, So we're gonna
share ours with you in order cal laid on us.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
What's a harsh truth.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Buying your hunting and fishing license is not enough. You
have got to if you want to be a responsible
hunter or angler, you have got to participate in our
system of wildlife management, which sometimes you would feel like
is being political, but uh, fill out your surveys, go

(01:00:09):
to in person, go to your fishing game committee meetings,
participate in the comment periods, and write your senators and
congress people. It makes a huge difference.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
I love filling out those surveys and showing up to
meetings too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Is like you feel so much more involved and you
have you have such a greater awareness of what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Is you're to learn a bunch of stuff you otherwise
would not.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Sometimes it feels like cheating in terms of just like
being aware of what's happening with wildlife in your state.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yep, yeah, Do you want to like round robin this
thing or do you want me to go do all three.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Well, we decide you can lay another one on us,
raynal and I should have told you we're just gonna
do one each.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Oh, okay, great, But if you got an all quick one, lay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
It on ye Antelope jump fences.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
They can do it around for fifteen and is wondering what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
To do when they end up at.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
That dovetails with Uh, this isn't my harsh truth. But
one of my harsh truths is, like all the stuff
you've heard isn't isn't right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, all right, Randall.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
My harsh truth is this. Uh, there's there's a lot
of like a discourse online about social media and hunting
and and like is social media ruining hunting? And and
a lot of it focuses specifically on like what's unique

(01:01:50):
about hunting and social media. My harsh truth is social
media's ruining everything. If you have any hobby, it's being
it's being ruined by social media. And I would just like,
if you look at like all the problems, I feel
like a lot of the problems that people complain about
in the hunting world are just problems about the modern world,
Like permits in national parks are hard to get, like

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everything's getting too expensive, and so I just feel like
there's a lot of like finger pointing within the hunting
community about what's ruining who's ruining what. I mean, there
is that too, but it's like thermals. It's like, if
you want to go backpacking somewhere, someone's already you could
watch a video of someone with a GoPro on their
head walking that trail.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Like I went down, like I've been running more and
more lately, and I went down a running social media
trail tragically the other day. And it's like social media
is ruining running. I'm like really like, because it's not
ruining it for me. It's like whether you choose to

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allow it to ruin it for.

Speaker 10 (01:02:58):
You or not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Like no one's on the gun to your head telling.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
You to like believe or follow what's on every social
media page.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
It's ridiculous and I think that, Like now, I had
a lot of thoughts about this, and they sort of sprawled.
The one is you haven't everything you've heard isn't true.
The other is like, just decide what you want and
you'll get it out of hunting, right, Like, like, oh,
do you want to go somewhere and see no see
see no other hunters.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
You can do that, or you can decide to let
social media ruin.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
It for you. Yeah exactly, Like like it's it's all
about keeping it in perspective and just recognizing that like
the finger pointing and the X y z. Yeah, like
that's all. It's not unique to our community, not at all.
And there's a lot of breath and and ink wasted

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on it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah, if you're going to do social media, do d
I y woodworking plumbing electrocal. Yeah yeah, then man, that's
who I'm watching.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Yeah, oh, I know, like there's I'm sure there's plumbers
out there, Like social media's ruined plumbing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I don't make as much money as damn it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Randall can replace the light switch now, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Nice, Randall. I like that month's a little longer. I'll
get through it though.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
There's a quote from a hunting writer and I don't
call who it is, but it's stuck with me over
the years, and it goes something like, anyone can take
a five hundred yard shot at an animal, but it
takes a really good hunter to sneak in and kill
one at fifty yards. And the reason I'm telling you
that quote is I strongly believe, based on years of experience,

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that it's a mistake to encourage or allow young or
novice hunters to take long ass rifle shots at big
game animals. And like long is relative, right, like it's
it's this, there's not one specific distance, but I'll get
I'll get.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Further into that later.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
But the reason why is, even if a new hunter
is practiced and they're capable of making four or five
hundred yard shots at the range, shooting at animals like
in the heat of the moment is just way different
than shooting at paper targets. And for every hunter, but
especially an experienced hunter, the goal should always be to
get as close as possible to minimize the chance for

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a poor shot, a miss or a wounded animal whatever.
But I think just as important that that's the reason
you always hear, but just as important long range shooting
at animals is not how you learn to be a
good hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
It's just like not has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Becoming a good hunter comes from reading like things like
reading sign watching the behavior and body language of animals,
learning how to like pick a route that keeps you
out of sight on a start, being quiet, paying attention
to the wind direction, Like those are the things that
that's how you become a good hunter. And I like, personally,

(01:06:11):
I'm gonna I'm gonna get up on the soapbox, like
I I held to a strict no shots over two
hundred yards rule with my older son for his first
three big game seasons. And I know he's like a
better hunter for it because he was learning along the way.
And it taught me a lot because it didn't hamper
his success one bit. In his first three hunting seasons,

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he killed three meal deer bucks in an antelope buck
like following that two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Hundred yard rule.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
And then like, now he's a little older and I'll
let him. He's shot more, he's shot at animal, he's
shot at targets more, and I'll let him stretch that range.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
Out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, yeah, this is just like a funny observational story.
But my good buddy Jim, like old old, old old
Jim down in Idaho, he's real. He's yeah, I think, well,
he's always the oldest of our hunting group. And he

(01:07:08):
bought a super fancy sheep rifle ultra light thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
And that's the thing is those types of long range
systems are like so prevalent now that it's just like there,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
There, But here's the fun thing, Like he and he's
got a you can shoot like a mile on his
own property, like step out the door, and he shoots
all the time and has the ability to do it.
And he's very capable. And about three seasons after getting
this rifle, he's like the furthest shot I have ever

(01:07:40):
made with this exploative expletive rifle is one hundred and
fifty yards. Yeah, And because when you grow up and
you've put the time in to become that good hunter,
your interactions with animals are much tighter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
They're also more fun and excite they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Are, but you are just naturally putting yourself in a
tighter distance. And the reality is is like the closer
you can get, the fewer variables you are going to encounter. YEP,
And you know your ability to see what could be
blocking your shot, no matter what scope you have at
four hundred and fifty yards is not as good as

(01:08:23):
it's going to be at one hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I like, I'm not I don't want this seem like
I'm trashing long range shooting. I just think it's a
disservice to like young and new hunters to be like, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
A bucket five hundred yards, lay down, shoot, you know,
like it's just like they're not learning much.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Oh man, I watched some folks. I watched these guys
shoot this buck last year and it wasn't all that far,
but this is like a dense grizzly bear area, and
you know, they charged up the hill. They probably shot
at like four hundred and fifty yards, which is a
long shot, but not crazy far when you're talking about

(01:09:03):
long range shooting. And I watched those guys walk around
trying to find this deer that dropped in its tracks
for forty minutes, to the point where I was like,
I better help like bird dog these people into where
the deer drops. And there's just things like that that
people don't consider. Yeah, and if you don't know you

(01:09:27):
whacked that thing, a lot of people are going to
give up on it and be like, oh God, maybe
I missed. The doubt starts creeping in. And there's the
state of Wyoming. They had a conversation in the Fishing
Game regulation process about trying to address long range shooting
and there's ways that all of which would be you know,

(01:09:51):
it's it's regulating morality, which is not something we can
do effectively. But limitation on the amount of ammunition you
can pack with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
You make you think twice about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
And I think I'm like, what would the effect be
if it's like how many tags do you have? You
got one valid tag? You get five rounds. That's three day, right,
and two extra in case you think the rifle got
knocked off a zero already need to prove you're.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
You're still funny. I've never heard that the round limitation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Yeah, because they do it on like wm as for
your waterfowl.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, try to limit skybusting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Anyway, that's what I think so.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
Or not.

Speaker 7 (01:10:50):
Yeah, there should be when the second started out, there
should be some sort of music bed playing underneath it. It's
like a very you know, kind of four poding intense.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
You could have a little button you push and it
just because oh, that's harsh. Throughout the Smacked Down, whenever
one of us makes a good point to go ooh
that's harsh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Phil, do we got any reactions to those harsh truth
or or or maybe some some of the listeners.

Speaker 7 (01:11:12):
I mean there were there was some happening throughout the thing.
I I don't remember that you know their timestamps, but
I couldn't tell you exactly what they were.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Well, give us something what we reference to here, let's
do a general chat.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
Mostly what's he want? Halfle finger? He said one thing,
you should use your woodsmanship, not marksmanship.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
See.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
I don't know what he's referring to here. That's what
we just talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Great, Jim. This this if you're still on there, This
moose that I saw with the busted up leg. The
leg was on the left side and the right antler
had grown in all kinds of funky. I'll send you
a picture you told us about that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
At some point, it's mostly people asking mogor questions about
Hungary and people talking about Steve on theovon shout out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Well, if nobody's got any anything interesting to say or ask?

Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
See, this is a this, this is a me problem.
I screwed up. I should have been on it putting
these comments up as it was happening.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Damn it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
You're having such a big week with D and D.
You find some good come on. This is my favorite part.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
No, no, I've got listener feedback. I'm just thinking of
stuff in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Direct to the three harsh truths.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
Let's get this, I knew you didn't drop the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
Cal This is from Ethan when you kill your monster grizz,
What is your plan with it? Rug mount soft tan
sausage roast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Do you think this far ahead? Or is that bad
bad juju?

Speaker 7 (01:12:42):
If you feel like you're is there any superstition around I?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Well, it's it's part of logistical planning that you do.
You need to plan for being successful, and then if
you're unsuccessful, you're just carrying extra stuff, right, So yeah,
I am planning. The big negative of a coastal bear
in the fall specifically is they are they're feeding on salmon.

(01:13:10):
And I have friends that take a chunk of meat
off every single bear and cook it. And and I
believe them because they have they have the largest database
data set that they're working with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Can I interrupt? Yes, in Alaska, there's no salvage rule
for those fall bears, is there? Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
And you don't? Yeah, So my plan is to ideally
do some cooking up there if I am successful, and
come up with a game plan for what I'm going
to do with some big old grizzler bear meat. The

(01:13:54):
other thing I have tags for because I've I've purchased
them in advance are our wolves. And in this area,
you know, it's an area where the caribou population is
of concern and they're encouraging people to harvest wolves, and
they feel like there's a very high population of wolves.
And I have always wanted to cook wolves, so I'm ideally, well,

(01:14:22):
we'll have like a big old grizzly bear ham and
a big old wolf ham and we'll do some fun
cooking down here in the meat Eater studio too so
and then as far as like rug Mount soft tan
stuff like I have not thought that far, like I
it will be utilized. I guarantee you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
Great. This is just an update from Kyle who asked
a question about differences between spring and fall turkey, and
he's happy to report based on that advice, he got
his first turkey ever yesterday. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
I saw that. I saw that on the damned social media.
That's ruining everything.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
Terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
Congratulations, congrats, Kyle Charles says.

Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
Its media to Rose still happening. I haven't seen a
new episode in a while. It is Yohanny's gearing up
to film the next batch of episodes, so stay tuned.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
It requires coordinating a lot of schedules.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
Caleb, because you were mean to me and yelled, I
will answer your ask your question. If you need vision assistance,
do you prefer glasses or contacts in the field.

Speaker 5 (01:15:24):
I can tell you what Sydney preferred, because my vision
is perfect. She preferred laser eye surgery.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
There you go, options see contacts here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Yeah, I've seen people have issues with both. But I
do feel very poorly for one of my good friends
who I won't won't name, used to call him the
pot bellied stallion. Uh, looking at that dude with his

(01:15:54):
glasses all fogged up when he's sucking wind trying to
get up the hill fast.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Yeah, and it's like looking through buying knows in a
spot and scute with glasses is kind of a pane.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
But but do you feel like you like I feel
like you should have like a little eyeball kit if
you're going to go the contact route, multiple like you
need your solution.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Sydney always did context and it was like contexts in
the tent. It was just like a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Well, dailies are way easier.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
I mean, they're a little more trash to deal with,
but I mean I just bring twice as many dailies
as I think I'm gonna need because the dust gets
in there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
What you know, at one point we pulled some dailies
out of the trash and washed them to put them
back in her eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Interesting, improvised and overcome the laser.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
I will say aiden, thank you for watching the show
live for the first time. I appreciate it. I have
seen your question that you have submitted literally nine times
about getting a young hunter into it. I haven't picked
your question because that's that's we've talked about that a lot.
And also Brodie's the only dad on the panel.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
So but my my parents didn't hunt.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
Randall, And how did you get into hunting, and how
would you encourage other young hunters to get into hunting.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Get your friends into it, find friends who have We
had like a group of friends and one of our
dads hunted. Yeah, there's ways, and we all transmitted it
through osmosis. There's mentorship programs with fish and game departments.
Buy our book Catch Caerry Fish, Count the Stars. There's
a great big.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Section in there on how to do it like, there's
ways to do it for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Yeah, I'll tell you, if you're interested in it and
you're not just actively figuring it out, you're probably not
cut out for the hunting game. I say that that
that sounds like a harsh truth, Haru. But I'll tell you, like,
I was surrounded by very casual hunters and it wasn't

(01:17:58):
like anything near the way people live it in this office.
And I bugged the hell out of the people to
facilitate my obsession with hunting without having anybody directly there
to be a mentor, right Like, I just there was

(01:18:18):
something about it. I was very interested in it, and
I pushed and pushed and pushed, and people kept throwing
footballs and basketballs and baseballs at me, saying like here,
play with this. You at them exactly so you'll you'll
figure it out. Like if it if you're interested in it,

(01:18:38):
you just got to make it happen and don't let
stuff holds you back.

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
Ye. Great, Sorry to do that to you, Phil.

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
Well, Jordan says, Phil is getting little sterns into this
big trivia podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Jordan's shut up, that's not the reason. I'm just a
little prickly.

Speaker 7 (01:18:56):
After that uh, that misunderstanding about the feed Act with
the three harsh Trews and everyone got mad at me.
And also like I carry a small amount of insecurity
about being a non hunter who has to pick hunting
questions for a bunch of hunters to answer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
It's a hard job.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Back heres, there you go, There you go, Phil laying
down the law.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
All right, we're gonna move on from that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
Phil, Oh, let's do it please.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
You know next time you'll do better, Thanks Brody. So,
we got a couple announcements to make before we sign off,
and the first one is we're opening our newest media
to retail location in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And they got some
events going on grand opening and some tailgate tour events.
Who's going to that tailgate tour?

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
Spencer Spencer, Mark Kenyon and Chester Floyd.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
And they'll be at the store, but that'll probably all
get covered. And this announcement that Phil is gonna play
right now.

Speaker 9 (01:19:56):
All right, Milwaukee Hunters, This Friday, September nineteenth, until seven pm,
we'll be having our brand opening up this brand new
meat Eater store right here.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
And Brooke Goil Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
It's a family friendly events and be sure to bring
your kids, bring your spouse, and no matter where your
adventures taking you this season, we got you covered. From
Western Big game to Phelps game calls to f NHF gear,
we got everything you need to get you going further
and staying longer.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
We also have brand new.

Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
Milwaukee Meat Eater logo where Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Behind you, we got whitetail where for the season from
cold weather to early season. We also have water polo
clothing right behind me.

Speaker 9 (01:20:34):
The event's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Joined by the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Group, the National
Deer Association, The Meat Eater Tailgate Tour will also be
here some of the Meat Eater personalities. With all that
being said, we're happy to be a part of this community.
So come on buy this Friday, grab a beer, tell
us some of your hunting stories, and be prepared for
lots of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
Thanks for all your support.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Well, I want to go now. Yeah, I would have
you remember Wayne's world when they're talking with Alice Cooper
and Mealy Wake There's there should be a corner of
the store dedicated just to that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yeah, and cheese curds probably something that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:17):
But he got there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I'm not talking with my mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Well, besides opening our new store, we got a whole
bunch of new products and content coming out soon. Ray
will show that to the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
That's the new jerky we got I think three different flavors.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Maybe it's delightful.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
It was great. This is bition.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
So if you're laying and you don't know how to
make your own jerky out of deer, elk or whatever
you got in the freezer, that stuff's real good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
It's buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
We've also got after a long wait, see that Phil
there it is, it's here. Releases next week the apped
up old Truck's calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
I'm not gonna show you what's inside.

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
You gotta buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Oh, it turned out great.

Speaker 12 (01:22:07):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:22:09):
Uh I you know what I I learned a word
miso phonia. You guys know what that is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
That's when a sound really bugsy, real bad.

Speaker 7 (01:22:16):
When people are chewing into a microphone.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
You've got it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Masticated.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
I mean, I support it because we are meat eater,
har hars.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
It's jerky, you gotta chew it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Yeah, the working hard to make the jerky a super
cool project. So this round is sourt of saying, uh,
you know, American buffalo. And then we're working on a
bunch of other uh like sustainable projects that that support

(01:22:56):
are ranchers that are doing really good things for wildlife
and their way living.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
And by the way, if you like, don't know this
soccer here, if you buy it, it's not expensive, but
if you buy it, two bucks from every the sale
of every calendar we're going to donate to backcountry hunters
and anglers so they can keep fighting the public lands fight.
So you'd be doing a great thing for BHA and

(01:23:27):
anyone who enjoys public lands if you buy that calendar advance, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
And then real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
As far as content, Heather Deville's new series Our Way
of Life is coming out. I think, I don't know,
I don't know the date, but it's coming out soon.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
And I think it's like one of the coolest things.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
We've done in a really long time, Like for video content,
it is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
So check that out.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
And Meat Eater Season thirteen is going to be available
real soon as well, and Randall has a final announce
smith for everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
Yes, on next week's show, we will once again be
circling up the Meat Eater Movie Club and the title
we'll be discussing is the twenty ten documentary Elephant in
the living Room, which is available for free on Pluto
and Amazon Prime. It's one of my all time favorite documentaries,
and I was delighted to see that it's now available

(01:24:21):
to stream for free, and so I'm excited to revisit
that rich, rich text about exotic pet ownership. Excellent.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
Yes, all right, guys, thanks for listening, and tune in
next week.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Be kind, be courteous, be safe out there. Enjoy your season.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
Be cool. Trus

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