Ep. 776: Sea Otters, Skunks, and Brain Matter | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Brody Henderson, Steven Rinella, and Cory Calkins, talk with Heather Douville about her new MeatEater show, Our Way of Life, attempt to defend some Indefensible Laws, chat with Guy Groenwald about the state of the skunk fur market, and lay down judgement on a Hot Tip-Off showdown.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Media to Radio Live. It's eleven
am here at Meat Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. That's
nine a m. On the sea, otter infested waters surrounding
Prince of Wales Island. I'm your host, Brody Henderson. I'm
joined today by the man every elk in Montana fears
the most, Corey Caulkins. That's not you. We also have

(00:48):
a very special co host today that some of you
might even recognize. That's right, Steve Renela is back in
the house. Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Thank you man. It's always fun to be here.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Ben in a while. Yeah, we got a big show
to we have Heather Deville. She's gonna talk to us
about her life up in southeast Alaska and a couple
of her new mediater shows. Me Stephen Corey are gonna
gonna lay out some indefensible laws that we're going to defend. Anyway,
We've got some primo hot tip offs out of Wisconsin

(01:19):
and some advice for husbands and fathers during hunting season.
And in the spirit of full disclosure, this is not
actually live. We won't have any live chat feedback. And
the reason for that is because the day we're supposed
to record live, Phil's gonna be out of town nerding

(01:39):
out on video games. Phil, you want to tell everyone
what's so important that you've got to miss a live recording.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, it sounds like you're making that up, but you're
you're not when you're watching us. Randall and I will
be on a plane on our way to Nashville, Tennessee,
going to Buckfest twenty twenty five. And Buckfest is also
the grounds for the World Championships of Big Buck Hunter,
So Randall and I will be there documenting it, making
some some video content that you guys can look forward

(02:06):
to soon.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
But a bunch of no, it's good with that black backdrop,
I know, and go back to that for a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh yeah, good job, overemphasizing that he was married, he'd
be he'd be cleaning up right now, Steve, don't are
you have you played Big Buck Hunter?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Philm I was never a big like light gun like.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I didn't play I didn't have a Nintendo's I never
played duck Hunt, and I didn't spend enough time in
bars before I had a kid to be to get
really good at big buck hunters, so it was never
a So this is a whole learning experience for me.
I'm excited to check it out.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Is Randall good at big buck hunter? I don't believe.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
So I know cal col holds some pride for his
his buck hunter.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Skit forbid that playing in it.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, And my buddy Jimmy Dorn had a pizza shop
and he had that in there, and he knew I
hated a big buck hunter because I thought it taught
bad ethics and I'd come in there.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
At first he'd do his hand my kids.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Rolls quarters just to antagonize me.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, I'm ambivalent towards it. I imagine you're going to
see a bunch of nons pretending they're hunters there film.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Oh fir, I mean yeah, most likely Randall kind of
I think is planning on dressing the part. I think
he wants to go in full first light camo and
just hang out. So we'll see how that goes. But
we've talked to the guys putting it on and they
say it's a mix of hardcore real hunters and people
who have never touched a gun in their life. So
we're excited to meet all the people that are going
to be there.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
We'll have fun. Thanks, all right, before we get into
the meat and potatoes today's show, And need to let
everyone know that the newest edition of our audio original
book series Meat Eaters American History, The Hide Hunters eighteen
sixty five eighteen eighty three, releases next Tuesday on October fourteenth.

(03:43):
You can pre order it now wherever you get audio books,
audible Apple books, wherever you can get them. Ste you
want to give folks ideas, an idea of what to
expect from hide hunters, like some some titillating tidbits about
the like of a hide hunter.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
For those of you that have listened to or follow
our Meet Eaters American History series, we've been focusing on
different eras of commercial market hunters. So we did the
long hunters, which were the professional deer skin hunters, most
notably Daniel Boone and his colleagues. Then from there we
jumped up to the Mountain man eraw which was the
Rocky Mountain beaver trappers. Big names from that era would

(04:24):
be Jim Bridger, John Colter, Jed Smith and that volume
tracked up to eighteen forty. So for the hide hunters.
We're jumping ahead to eighteen sixty five. Eighteen sixty five
is the year that the Civil War ended, and we're
covering the years eighteen sixty five to eighteen eighty three

(04:45):
when the last fifteen million.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Buffalo on the American Great planes.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Were shot out by professional buffalo hunters, which we call
the hide hunters. Very bloody time, very dangerous occupation. Even
though those people are much maligned now and they're regarded
as these great enemies of American wildlife, you have to
begrudgingly if even if doing so begrudgingly, you have to

(05:13):
acknowledge just an incredible skill set.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
It sounds funny to say it, but an.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Incredible skill set, and I had stated to say it too,
an unbelievable work ethic that propelled these guys out on
the Great planes to do the great buffalo slaughter. So
we cast some shade on them. We talked about their motivations.
They were products of the Civil War. These are generally

(05:39):
people that had no prospects in life. Poverty was rampant,
and the American history pushed them onto the planes where
they where they killed fifteen million buffalo and in a
decade Yep, it's an incredible story. And in from now
we'll jump into whatever we're debate and what we're going.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
To jump into next you haven't decided yet. No, we
might do something about the birds, the bird hunters.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I know for a time you're thinking about whales, but
you knew, no.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Not doing the whalers.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
I think that we might jump to we might jump
to Alaska during the Great Depression or sorry a Latin, No,
it would be Alaska and we would cover possibly Klondike
to statehood.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Or we would cover the Roaring.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Twenties and end it at the stock market crash, Yeah,
and surrounding for the Alaskan fur trade during the during
the real glory days when when huge amounts of cash
we're entering that state and coming into the hands of
people who had never had a cash economy.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah. All right, So you've done three of these Steve
the long Hunters, mountain men, and hide hunters, and you
can include the next one too if you want. In
this in this question, I'm going to ask you if
you could go back in time and pick one of
these eras and professions to like go do, which would
it be?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And one the hide hunters?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, if I could do the the
you know, if I could do the time machine thing.
I've always said that I would like to go back
to the first Americans to hit the great planes twenty
thousand years ago, seventeen thousand years ago, whatever, man. But
if I was really sitting there and I had to

(07:24):
hit the button, the go button, I might go back and.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Go with Boone.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Daniel Boone the first time he went to the Cumberland
Gut and spent two years in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Because that was still new territory. Like the hide hunters
weren't in like new territory necessarily right.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Like no, no, when you get into the hide We'll
put it this way. This is something we point out
a bunch in our Hide Hunter piece. There were hide
hunters that killed ten thousand buffalo. There was an individual
who killed ten thousand who lived to see Playboy magazine published.
He lived to see the end of the Korean War.

(08:01):
You lived to see the introduction of the corvette nuclear subs,
and he was fighting comanches while killing ten thousand buffalo
on the tests wold you it is this market hunting
period that straddles it perfectly straddles what we think of

(08:24):
as yesterday what we think of as today.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know, it's a crazy era.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Kind of makes uh living through the creation of the
internet not seemed like such a big deal.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
There were hide hunters who would who lived to see
the publication of a Sand County Almanac, and who lived
and who experienced a person Theodore Roosevelt campaigning against market
hunters become president.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
And they started to think about that.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
No, they like they sat on the They sat on
the edge of something.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Man.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
All right, So order that book up and listen to it,
and uh, Steve will figure out what the next one
is going to be before we get into Heather's interview.
You guys, uh playing in any big hunts that are
coming up.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm solid kid from here on out for a while.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I got I got a month of hot kid action.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Kid Antelope, kid deer. Yeah, that's that's fun.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Though this No, No, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have
it any away.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Man.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, all kids all the time, speaking to kids. I
put some little kiddie waiters on your desk.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh, I saw that, Thank you. Yeah, we'll use those.
Go looking for crowdedy.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Orry, Are you done archery hunting or you know. No,
we'll keep at it till the bitter end.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Man, it's only been a couple of weeks. We've still
got a few more here in Montana.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Kids.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
What kids, Well, my kids just on the cusp of
being able to come with me. Yeah, you'll go out
and toot on the bugle a little bit, but it's
more of a nuisance than anything. Uh So, no, I'm
going to get back out for it. But you got
to bring them, man, bring Oh he loves it. But yeah,
any close calls with bulls yet?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I tried to get a couple buddies into the milk
that second week of the season. I guess it would
have been the third week of September, and we almost
killed elk every single day. But they weren't like fired
up like they typically yet.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Nope, I have drawn no drawbacks.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, all right, knocked a few.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Let's uh, let's get to the interview. I I think
Phil has a special drop here for Heather Duville. Bill,
you don't lay that down.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, I put it in the script and then I
took it out because I didn't know if you guys
wanted to listen to it.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
But here, man, me we'll rate it.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
We'll rate it well.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think this is one that I haven't played since
you were last here.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh so you already we've already, we've already heard it.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
It's the Fleetwood mac One.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh, yes, I'm not familiar.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
All right, I'll listen to at bait. There we got Okay, there,

(10:59):
it is nice. All right. For those of you who
aren't familiar, we're gonna be talking to Heather Deville. Her
traditional name Heather. I apologize if I butcher this stuff.
Her traditional name is Ku Tink, and she belongs to
the Shank what Eye clan, which is Egle Wolf. Did

(11:20):
I get it right? Okay, don't worry about that.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Pronunciation. But I appreciate you trying. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Well.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
You can tell us.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Let me get through this. I'm trying to get through this, Heather,
let me get through it. You live on the ancestral
lands of the Tlingott people in southeast Alaska, and the
Heather actively practices and shares the heritage and cultural traditions
that have been passed down for ten thousand years. All right,
so tell us how you pronounce that stuff.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Yeah, my traditional name is Ku Tink, and I belong
to the shuan Kwaiti clan. I didn't do that bad, Okay,
you're on.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I feel like if I called him Brady, If I
call him Brady and he's like, well, it's actually brody,
and then I go like, well I wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Right exactly?

Speaker 7 (12:17):
Ann cling it with a k, but it's like a
th h l fling it and yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well how they do it?

Speaker 7 (12:26):
Like do it?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Do it where you? Because I know you. Yeah, there's
a way you say it.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Then there's a way you let people that wouldn't are
familiar with the language say it, like but but do
it like how you do it you were talking to
if you were talking to an elder, you know, from
your from your.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
People, Yeah, I would say fling it okay.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But but then people people that are just kind of
hacking their way through. It's like uh clink clink.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
It got it. I'll try to get it right next time.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yuh.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You know.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
Pretty funny is well we're going to talk about the show.
But the team was up here. You know, our dogs
only know flinget commands, so they don't know English.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
That's great, so no one else can tell your dog
what's up.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So if your dog's attacking someone and and that person
tries to say.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Yeah, you gotta yell at them and cling it. So
the meat eater crew that was up here, we're learning
all kinds of words.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, clingett dog commands.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
They had heard the dogs out of the scenes and
in the house.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Heather, I know you've been busy like all summer putting
up fish and sea otter for and I think you've
been out deer hunting already. Like, what what else do
you you got going on through the fall? What's the
rest of the year look like for you?

Speaker 7 (13:52):
Yeah, this is really a I think I was last
joined in the spring, which is like the emergence of
new life, and now we're entering fall, which is a
quieter time and a more RESTful time. So I'm kind
of grounding myself into a more balanced schedule. The salmon return,

(14:14):
the leaves are turning, you know, it's getting colder. I
did get a deer last month, and I'm one of
my goals this fall and winter season is to practice
my bark tanning skills. So I actually got the deer
and I tanned. I successfully tanned the hide. But already, yeah,

(14:40):
I have often it a little, but you know, it's
got a really side. This is done with tanning, so
like a tree skin and a deer skin will make
leather and it smells good.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
And all of the.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
Ingredients that you use can just go right back into
the earth are non toxic organic. So I was pretty proud.
This is my first.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, man, congratulations, that's awesome. That looks great.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, you guys shoot those deer in the head, so
there's no bullet holes in that in that hide.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Yeah, we try to shoot everything in the head too.
Like for deer, we try to reduce waste, yep, because
we eat the neck and we take the neck bones
and make deer neck soup. And I have a funny
I have a funny story about the first time I

(15:37):
learned how to hunt deer. I had never shot anything
in the body before, because I just learned how to
shoot everything in the head or like me, right behind
the ear. So we were hiking up and you know,
I didn't learn how to hunt until I was almost thirty.

(15:58):
So my dad gave me a rifle and I was
I hadn't missed yet, And I was like, Dad, what
if I was going to shoot a deer in the body,
Because I know a lot of people from other areas,
you know, shoot deer like in the side. I said,
what do I do? And so he we kind of
stopped and on our hike and he told me. So

(16:19):
I was like okay, and I was, you know, pondering that.
And we got to this muskeg and there's a huge
buck right across looking at me and it's like a
four by five, the biggest deer I've ever seen. He's like, oh, shoot, shoot, yeah, okay.
So I get ready and I'm aiming for its head
and I was like, well, I'm just going to shoot

(16:40):
in the body because then I'll for sure get it.
And I dropped down. I shot it in the body
and it runs away and he screams like what happened
in the first years and I I don't know, and
what happened? And I was like, I tried to shoot
it in the body. Well, he gave me a two

(17:02):
twenty two. So I had HI last year and there's
all this brush right and I just thought a bullet
would blast right through brush. And he's like, you can
never shoot through brush. Tell me that part. And I
lost sleep for like a week. I could not stop

(17:23):
thinking about missing that deer and it was big and
shooting through brush, and so the learning experience.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, well it seems like you've got the deer hunting
thing figured out now though.

Speaker 7 (17:38):
Yeah, we try to skin him real close, but you
don't want to skin him so close where you score
the hide. So definitely take your time and and you know,
skin him nice if you're going to save the hides,
and then you can bark tim and you know, it
takes like a few days to like the hair slip

(18:01):
and then a week to bark tan and it produces
beautiful results. And so now I just mixed up this
morning a big toe of bark tanns because I'm going
to try to do a hair on barked hand bear
hid that was gifted to me this spring.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You need to make Steve some buckskin breeches out of
those things.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I would like some buckskin briches, yeah, white ones.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. All right, Heather, you got
a couple couple new shows out on the Meat Eater Network,
Our Way of Life, which really digs into how you
and your dad live up there in Southeast Alaska and
everything you do out on the land and out on
the water, and that airs every Monday night at six

(18:49):
on our YouTube channel, the Media or YouTube channel. You
got anything to say about the experience of making that show.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Oh yeah, this is an incredible experience. I'm so grateful
for Meat Eater, you know, sharing my story, and I
really think of it as not my story, but this
was a way for me to share a story that's
much bigger than mine, for our culture and you know,

(19:19):
the people that came before me, and also for youth.
So there's going to be a place now where you
can look up, you know, about sea otter hunting or
processing a CEO and find information, whereas previously there hasn't
been a lot of documentation on these processes.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's one of the coolest things
we've done a long time. It's great, it's awesome.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
The first episode launched last night, and I've just received
an incredible amount of messages and phone calls and just
all the love that I'm feeling from friends, family and
people that I don't know, you know, from all over
is really overwhelming. I didn't really know what to expect.

(20:11):
I was kind of having a heart attack like this week,
nervous about it, but I felt nothing but love. And support,
and I really you know, I have a ten year
old niece and she, you know, goes on social media
and she talks about Taylor Swift and all these influencers, right,

(20:34):
And I I really wanted youth to be able to
go on social media and go on YouTube and see
you know, youth from here and see people like them
and people they know practicing their culture and not thinking
that you have to be like somebody else to be,

(20:56):
you know, on YouTube or on social media, and you
can just be yourself and we are ourselves.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
You know.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah, literally talked about having the runs on our first
He's like, I forgot the game was even there. So
it's really funny. If you don't want to watch Seatter Hunting,
you could fast forward to five minutes in and catch
a really funny scene with and the relationship between me

(21:27):
and my dad is pretty funny to watch.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yep, it's great. And you're at the other show that
you're in Mediator Sheds. Are you in the shed right now?

Speaker 8 (21:39):
I am.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
I'm in my first shop. I spend a lot of
time in here in the fall and winter months. And
that was such a fun episode.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
That's where you do all your all your working on first,
like all the stuff you make.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, So previously I did get the opportunity to
share this on sheds, which I wish I would have.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
Let me grab this.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
So my friends showed up with my dad last year
and started building me this shed. So previously I was
working out of my two spare bedrooms and my kitchen,
so my whole house was full of supplies and machines
and all kinds of stuff were working on first and
my friends and family been so incredibly generous and showing

(22:33):
up and building me this space. And I love this space.
But until last year, I sewed everything by hand.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
So this was my.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Thing that I carried everywhere was equipment. Yeah, so I
had a little nail clipper for threads you could take
it on an airplane, skin sewing needles, my thimble that
I've been using since I was twelve. You could say
I've reinforced the add like three times. And so I
want to also encourage people like you don't start like

(23:08):
this with the shed, Barbie shed. You know, I started
going by hand. Every item I made my hand. It
took hours, and I was working out of my house.
So this this feels surreal. I can't believe I have
this shed.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's great. Yeah, all right, well, well thanks for checking
in with us. Heather is great talking to and I
hope you have a good fall and good winter.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Thank you, Heather. Congratulations on that skin man that looks
that looks incredible. I'm jealous of that. I gotta I
gotta check that out.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, all right, do you take it easy?

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Thanks Heather.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Up next, h We've got a segment we've done a
time or two in the past called Indefensible Laws, where
we're gonna make the case for passing fishing game laws
and regulations some folks might consider indefensible, but those folks
are wrong because we're we're going to defend them and
make a case for them. So Corey, you're you're up first.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Oh gosh, okay, just cut this one out, Phil. Why, Well,
because this is coming from don't even float the idea.
I don't even float the idea.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I've heard Corey say this a number of times, so
he's got to make a case for it.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Don't give it air.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, this is coming from a very disgruntled born and
raised Montana here in a room surrounded by Hope cracks
down other states. But I'd love it if game agencies,
whatever state you might be in, and I think a
lot of you know, natives to their states would agree
that some of these once or more than once in

(24:46):
a lifetime tags maybe should be given to those native
residents instead of just you know, the folks who just
moved in six months ago to be able to apply
for some.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Well, I think if you've been like if you did
like like let's say like twenty years in the state,
you're cool mmmmm.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Or there's like cumulative or let's say there's like kids
are in this boat.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Let's say there's like five elk tag bull elk tags
available and it's like special hunts specially like yeah, maybe
spot one of those for a native or something.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, well, sure, yeah, I'm really thinking like some of
these critters that you know, somehow they're not growing as
fast as other animals like moose, big horn sheep numbers
are just going.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
Down into it.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I just think you're cutting a little Like I think
that like twenty years is cool, but.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
As Brody alluded to, maybe just having like a hard
percentage of those going to twenty A certain group of
people in a bucket.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, obviously twenty year bucket, you know what hospital
you were born in or whatever.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
It's like you get kind of entered into, Like it
just gets a little hard to control, you know, if
it's twenty years, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right, So it's just getting hard to draw those tags.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean I can see.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I mean it's always so harden.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
Oh, but it's just.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Getting harder and harder and harder.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
By degrees though, Like how much harder is point oh
four percent versus point oh two five percent?

Speaker 7 (26:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well twice? No one thinks about it like that. No, No,
you're looking at them. Oh shit, they're all the same,
Like they're not all the same.

Speaker 9 (26:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
And my problem was I just didn't buy bonus points
when I was guiding. I didn't think i'd ever leave
the guy.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
There was sounds like something maybe there should be a
law that you, if you screw up and don't play
the game, you should be just out yep.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, or maybe native should start cruing bonus points at birth.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
That'd be nice for a while.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
You could buy your kids bid my kids, my two
year old had two bonus points.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, and then they got rid of that, yep, but
they kept the points.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
That's nice.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Anyway, Now what I've been telling my kids, here's the
deal on this one. I've been telling them because I'm
doing all this. If you draw, when you start drawing, moo,
sheep and goat, and I don't get to come with,
you're paying me back for all that ship going back
to when you were a baby.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, you get to go along.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I got to go with my dad on his most
likely once in a lifetime moose a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It was amazing.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Steve doesn't seem convinced, but I drew.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I Drew Goat. You know, I'm glad I drew.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well, all right, Steve, what do he got for us?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well, you know, I've been pondering this man, and I
was gonna do one, but I can't articulate it.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
The other day I saw one of those Tesla trucks
with the had he kind of had a Yosemite samed
out where he had like some like adventure stuff and
he had he had one of them ride tubes mounted
to the and I was thinking, like I could let
it slide. I tried to just try to be like

(27:50):
I didn't see that. I didn't see that, but I
can't get it out of my head. I felt like
something died or something was born in that moment. Died
for sure, but yeah, some diet was bored. But that's
not my rule because I haven't thought of what the
law would be my law, and it's totally defensible.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
I'm not a big like you know, I'm a States
rights guide generally right, and I'm not for like the
man coming down and you know, busting everybody's heads about stuff.
I think a good role for the federal government, a
good use of Trump's time would be that he comes
in and he says he comes in and he says,

(28:34):
Hunter's orange laws going forward is a hat. I don't
care Executive order where you're from. I like orange hat.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, I agree with you on that one.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
So that no matter where, it's like during general firearm,
during general firearm, not special SIAS is during general firearm,
whatever your version of that is orange hat, not all
the vast the four hundred inches. Then you're like, you
got your orange vest on, but then you got your
biny harness on. Then you put your backpack on. You're like, well,

(29:06):
technically I don't have four hundred inches because it's all
and you're all worried a hat, wyoming hat.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Or best it's a hat?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, hat, have it be a hat?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yep, I now agree, a hat or less.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I don't want Alaska have no orange law. You shouldn't
make them have an orange law. It's like you can't
be more than a hat. Oh my god, ya, that's
what I meant.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
You're breaking kind of thinking about my law as I'm
kind of like I hadn't smoothed.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
This all out the way I would have liked. No
more than a hat.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
If you're more than a hat, they're going to deprive
you of federal funding, schools, highways, nothing, Your state's cut off.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Where's hot pink fall into this whole?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
No hot pink.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
My daughter made me order a hot pink vest, send
it back. I hope she gets a ticket. I hope
she gets a ticket.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, who's paying that one?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm gonna take it out for lawn.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
More money by executive order, no orange hat or else,
no federal funding for anything.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Gotcha, poor kids. We should get that on the ballot.
Mm hmmm, all right my mine. Uh, I don't know
if it's defensible or not. I don't think you.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Shall do it.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
You're gonna get some you're gonna get some people. You're
gonna get some yeah what abouts.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, they're gonna be like yeah, what about right, But
just just go with it.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I don't think you should be allowed to shoot any
mule deer does or antelope doze any anywhere ever, because
like drought winner kill, like those species are always like
one year away from disaster, always always constantly, and we've
just seen places where killing mule deer does like over

(30:58):
time has had disaster effects on like regional deer herds.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Run with it. They're gonna have some naysayers, you're gonna
have some water bouts, but run with it, like if.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
You need meat, and like I'm all for it. They're
like here in Montana, you can shoot I don't know,
ten white tailed dos if you really want to.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Mm hmm, if you've got a good gas budget, right.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Well yeah, but there's like ways to get meat, and
I just don't think anyone needs to be shooting mule deer.
Dose is the main thing. But I think antelope too,
because they're just like on the edge all the time
and in a lot of places. There's a general decline
in antelope numbers. Like tell us how you about your

(31:43):
antelope punting experience back in the day, Like what you
guys use to it?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Now? We used to go we'd go out, two of
us to go out east to the eastern part of
the state.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Where because you can get all the dough.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Tags, right, so we have how many do tags would
you get?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
We would go out there, we would leave the truck.
Our rule was, you leave the truck, you come back
with two. You leave the truck, come back with two.
You leave the truck, come back with two. Every year, Yeah,
two hunters six analope. Then then all of a sudden
it's like, whoa, there's not that many anelope around.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Then it becomes hard to draw a permit. And all
of a sudden, now they're like, hey, kill all the
dolls you want, right, yeah, two dolls per yeah, and
then let me let me, let me crystal ball this.
In a couple of years, it'll be there's no anelope.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Around exactly because there'll be a bad winner.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
And it won't because they're overgrazing. It won't be an
overgrazing thing. It'll be it'll be a weather issue.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and a combination of shooting too many doughs for
a few years in a row.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
No, I can see it. You're gonna have a lot
of pushback on that one. It's not like mine.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, Like I could kind of see an exception in
on like private land for like crop damage tags, where
you get a bunch of animals concentrated in a small area.
But that would like be the only thing that I
might be willing to stretch it on. So there you go.
M I wish we or chat going on, so people
could be weighing in on.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Don't get me started on that. How many years in
a row I haven't drawn an antelope tag.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
I'll tell you a secret that people aren't gonna like
when they hear it. Either don't do that. No, no,
I get I get antelope tags and don't antelope do tags,
and I don't use it.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
He's like the pe to people.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Yeah, he's like the people in Florida that are buying
all the bear draw stuff so they can sit out the.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Hunt, taking away his opportunities from little kiddies.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
He's like subverting the will of the state agency like that.
Do is gonna should come down on him man, all right, M.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'll get some hate for that one, but that's okay,
all right. So we got another interview coming out. Yeah,
the chest off only done it once or twice. We
got our next guest coming up, Guy grown Walld from
Grown Walled Fur and Wool out of Minnesota, Illinois, Illinois. Sorry,
Steve told me Minnesota, and I corrected myself. I didn't

(34:00):
hear you. And this is like, uh, fur and trapping
related stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So Steve, you take.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Steve's gonna roll with the interview. So here we go.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
As Brody said, we're joined today by Guy Groenwald from
Grownwald Fur and Wool. Guy happens to be joining us,
uh from overseas. He's he's over in Europe right now,
but he we worked out the time zones and he's
gonna join us in the theme. What we're gonna talk
about is, uh, how there came to be, why there
is and uh an explosion in skunk you heard it right,

(34:34):
skunk hide values some historic highs right now being paid
for skunk hides. And if you follow the fur markets,
and I always do just because I think it's fun.
And I used to like trap a lot and sell
stuff there's always these little bright spots in the fur markets.
And and uh, I can't think of any time my
life when there's ever been a bright spot around skunk hides.

(34:56):
But Guy's gonna Guy's gonna explain it all to us, uh, and.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Your whole career.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Skunks have always been a marketable fur bear, right, Like,
there's always been some market for skunk fur.

Speaker 8 (35:06):
No.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
No, I mean there was a time where I think
we destroyed like twenty thousand skins out of our freezer.
We just we had stored them for twenty five years,
and we thought it would never come back.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Oh, it goes that bad because the reason I said that,
as I thought, and thanks for correcting me, I always
thought there'd always been some level of a novelty trade
in skunk that kept the market a light.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
But it was it was, you know, it was so small,
you know at one time that you know, it just
you know, and we had you know, some of the
off grades, you know, you just there was just no
way to to market them in the novelty market that
maybe took a couple thousand skins a year, got it?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Okay, So where where a skunk price has been hitting lately.
And and also you know, before you answer that, maybe
do this. When when you guys buy you got you
guys buy from trappers. You buy from hunters, primarily trappers.
When someone brings you a skunk, what are they bringing
to you? Like, just just explain that product because people
here skunk and they think like, oh, I must smell.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Bad, you know, Okay, So I'd like to differentiate. So
the first thing is is there is going to be
for most skunks this year, very little difference between just
bringing us the tail and bringing us the entire skin.
With the tail. There will be very little difference in price,
if any. And the only reason as far as selling

(36:25):
to my company, that you would want to leave the
you know, the animal intact and not remove the tail
is basically if it's a black hide or almost all black, okay,
because then it'll be sold into the novelty business. And
and even the last couple of years before the the
tail business started, you know, the the novelty business was

(36:48):
kind of good. So you know, skunk were starting to
creep up as far as value. So right now, you know,
there's still a there's still a market for novelty skunks,
and you know, with tails. Uh, you know most of
them have to have tails. And you know we have
thousands of skunks that are placed now without tails because
we can sell the tails, but we can't sell enough
of the hides.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
And give you real quick, give me a when the
novelty trade is good and you have a well and
you have a properly put up skunk for what would
that skunk what would that skunk for be selling for?

Speaker 6 (37:15):
You know this, maybe twenty bucks something like that for
a really nice one, you know, perfect tail, you know,
big size, something like that. But you know the poor ones,
you know, the novelty business, you know, you just couldn't
move them. So you know it could be a zero.
But you know, before this, before the tail thing came,
you know, you know, even a good one without the tail,
you know, without or with the tail, obviously for a

(37:37):
novelty was maybe twenty dollars. Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And so when guys are when you're buying just for
the tails, and we'll get to what's happening with them,
But when you're buying just for the tails, you're buying
you want the tailbone removed.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
I want the tailbone removed, and we want it like
it's stretched and dried, just like any other skin that
you would stretch and dry, or like if you stretched
and dried the skunk skin. You want to do the tail.
You want to remove the fat. I mean, if you're
going to catch a hundred skunks this year, I would
buy a little boor axe. Borax works a little better
than salt. And you know, you don't typically put salt
dry a hide as far as the fur bearer goes.

(38:13):
But a little borax or a little salt on a
on a tail is probably not a bad idea. After
you take the after you take the flesh.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Off, So you're taking there. Let's let's just focus on
the tails, I guess.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
So, okay, you're taking a tail, you're cutting the till,
you're cutting the tail off at the base of the tail.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yep, you're pulling, you're removing the bone.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Then you're scraping all the excess fat and muscle off,
so you scrape it down to clean leather, clean skin.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
We should shouldn't take you more than a minute.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
You shouldn't take you more in a minute. And then
you're tacking it out. So you're opening that thing out
on a board and tacking it out yeap or.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Putting a little screen across it or anything just to
kind of keep it flat and make sure that you
go all the way to the tip because those longest
white fibers are on the tip, so you want to
make sure you.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Go all the way to the end, and then you
dry it. And if you want to add a little
borax on there to help it dry, that's fine.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
That's that's that's probably a pretty good idea, especially, you know,
if you're gonna do any kind of quantity, you know,
that would be a really good idea. You're not gonna
have any hair loss, You're not gonna have any putification,
you know. So it's just it does a little nicer
job because that leather on the on the on the
tail is a little thicker, and just it'll it'll dry
down faster.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Okay, we'll get in a minute to what some of
the what what I deem to be like pretty crazy
prices being paid for skunks right now. But but explain
to folks, where are these skunks going and why weren't
they going there before?

Speaker 6 (39:33):
Well, they just they they're they're going for you know,
Hasidic strimles, the hats, the Jewish hats for Orthodox Jews.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Can you pull one of those up real quick?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Phil?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Do we have that technological case? It will take me
a sack, but I can do it. Go ahead, go ahead, guys.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
And they're just they're just they just didn't use them.
I mean, they they find a you know, uh, a
fiber that they really like and uh, they use it
and it works, it works well. They want something that's
real long, they want something that's kind of stiff, and
they want something that kind of waves and when they
dance or you know, when they move around. And so yeah,

(40:11):
that's that's what they're looking for.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
We're looking at all. We're trying to pull a strimle
up right now.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
Okay, I think we pulled one up last year.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, And so where how how is the skunk is
the skunk?

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Like?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
How is the tail being employed in that hat?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
It's it's they're just using the fibers, But how.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Are they getting them in there? Like like like what
are they hooking it to there?

Speaker 6 (40:32):
It's a it's an intricate process. There's glues and there's
innerwoven and yeah, it's it's a real I mean those
aren't you know, three hundred dollars hats.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
You know, how many how many tails to make one hat?

Speaker 6 (40:47):
I think for the really good ones, maybe twenty sixteen,
twenty or something.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Okay, And you said that's a three hundred dollars hat.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
No, I said it's not. I mean it's thousands of dollars.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Okay, So but why did Why are some strimles three
hundred bucks and then some are thousands?

Speaker 6 (41:03):
Based on I don't think anything's three hundred, but you
know some of them are definitely a couple of thousand
bucks cheaper.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
So that is like, is it fair to say, I
don't want to put words in your mouth, is it
fair to say that this is sort of like a trend.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
This is a trend with that style of hat.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
It is, but you know this is not like necessarily
like like a typical fashion trend. You know, this could
be used for you know, for years. I mean they've
used that same hat that you had up there, you know,
has sable tails in it, and they've used table tails
for years and years, and there's and underneath it they
use fisher tails and you know, there's they they and

(41:44):
they've used them for years and years and years, and
they do though sometimes changed, they they do sometimes change
the look a little bit and go a different route.
Sable tales get more expensive, they use more of this
or more of that. But they you know, they have
used tails for you know, years and years, they just
haven't used skunk tails ever before.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Are most of these hats being sold in Hasidic communities
in the Eastern US? Or are these being exported to
Hasidic communities in Europe and Israel?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Like where are they winding up?

Speaker 6 (42:15):
They are some of the some of the strimle is
is all over, but probably the skunk is mostly just
in the Eastern US, you know, Brooklyn and.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
O K got it?

Speaker 6 (42:25):
Got it? Got it?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And then when people if a if a consumer is
buying a strimle is, is a consumer shopping just by
look or are they shopping where? Like like if if
you're a if you're selling, if you sell stribles, are
you advertising it as to its contents or is it

(42:47):
people just buy it? Say like the look? Are they
going in and saying like I want one with skunk,
I want one with safe?

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Oh no, I mean there's I mean I think even
a pretty casual observer could see the difference and the
difference in quality the longer hair, just how much nicer
it looks. I mean I've seen him in person, and yeah,
I mean it's kind of the bigger the better. Really.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, my question was very clear what I and you
might not know the answer to this.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Does the buyer? Is the buyer aware of what fur
it was, what fur was being used? Or do you
think it's just you're just aware of the look and
you like the look. I think they're more aware of
the look I see.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
Yeah, just they're just like, wow, that looks you know,
that looks a lot more you know, whatever you want
to call that.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah, all right, so let's talk about let's talk about prices,
because this is where it gets kind of interesting. You know,
I remember in the years I trapped, you know, I
mean like skunks man, you know, three four bucks?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Right, So.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
What could people expect this coming as we're coming into
the as we're coming into the fall, coming into the
trap in seasons? What could people expect for a good
skunk tail? And what makes a skunk tail good?

Speaker 6 (44:02):
We're going to be fifty, thirty five, and twenty depending
on how good the tail is, okay, and twenty and
then if it's if if somebody brings in a tail
and it's completely black, it's worthless. Okay. Now, if you'd
left that on this on a skunk, you know, and
had the whole skunk, and it was a nice skunk,

(44:23):
you know, just maybe with just a little bit of white,
you know, the skunk might be worth fifteen bucks. Okay,
because that can be used as a novelty skunk. But
if they if it's if it's got a lot of
white on it, you might as well just chop it off.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Mhmm. Okay, So what makes when you say a lot
of white? Like try to help someone understand.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
So if they're looking at the totality of the tail
and they're seeing that like fifty percent of that tail
is white, where does that sit?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That was?

Speaker 6 (44:49):
Probably that's probably a fifty dollars skunk, I mean if
it if it's But the only thing is like sometimes
we have to look at a few other things, like
the end. They could be like it sort of looks
like the fibers are like cut off at like three inches. Yep.
That that could That could also mean it's it's not
worth anything.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Can you see me pretty good?

Speaker 6 (45:12):
I can see a little. But that's that's a probably uh,
that would be you know, thirty thirty five bucks probably. Okay,
that's a pretty nice that's a pretty nice that's a
thirty five.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Oh, this one kind of feels like a seven dollars tail.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Now look what'll be looking at now? Thirty five?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah, i'd say maybe maybe maybe even a little better
than that.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Good somewhere.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Yeah, they're all, yeah, dude, I gotta tell you, man,
if I was if I was still, if I was
still just like a Michigan kid with a bunch of traps, dude,
I would be going nuts.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I would be going nuts this fall.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
Yeah, well, you know, we I'm certain that you know
there's gonna be more more skunk strap this year.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
So you know who's getting real excited right now is
a turkey hunters, because yeah, because like all those with
fur prices being down for a long time. Sure, and
you see these explosions of possums, skunks, raccoons, and you
see like declines in and ground nesting bird populations that

(46:17):
line up with those explosions, and mid sized predators, small
mid sized predators. It could be pretty good news for
birds too, if there's some interest what other oh sorry,
if you trap skunked.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
You know you're gonna you're gonna catch all those other
items as well.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, and you're gonna have easy time getting permissions.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
When you go and say can I trap skunks, They're
probably gonna be like, uh huh, Well give us another.
Give us a quick little snapshot, last last thing. We'll
hold you here for give us a snapshot of of
fur market in general, Like like going into the going
into the twenty five twenty six season, what's the what's

(46:55):
the forecast?

Speaker 6 (46:56):
I think I think I would start with skunk actually,
and I mean the big question we get asked by
everybody is this thing gonna last? Okay? And I think
it's very similar to the beaver market. You know, three
years ago when the beaver price went way up. You know,
I think that we all thought there is no way
we knew what the usage was. It's a very good market.

(47:17):
The beaver, you know, hat market is still very good.
It's just that trappers went out and caught way more
than we possibly thought they were going to catch, okay,
and so the market got a little depressed. I you know,
there's there's two types of markets to go down. One
is because nobody's using the product, and one is because
they're producing too much. I mean, I like I'm much
more I like a market that's you know, being produced

(47:39):
too much rather than a market that's not being used,
because it means I can still sell it. So it'll it'll,
I think the skunk thing, you know, we'll start certainly
start out hot. We need a lot of skunks, and uh,
we'll just see how aggressive trappers are and if they're
super aggressive. You know, if you have extra skunks, you know, stunkdales,
what do you do with them? You know nothing? So

(48:00):
you know, we'll figure it out as we go. But
for right now, we'll start off hot. I think, uh,
last spring, you know when we ended up you know,
buying that. You know, we run all the routes for beaver,
which is you know into you know April and May.
The market was very difficult. You know, we couldn't hardly
sell a muskrat in April.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
May.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
We had a very difficult time selling racoon in April May.
China's market because of tariffs. You know, the economy there
was horrible. You know, all those items wild mink, I
mean you just didn't hardly want to buy it. You know,
the guys brought their beavers. They had trapped those and
that market had gone down, So you were buying all
this stuff and you couldn't sell any of it. So

(48:42):
compared to what the market ended up last year, you know,
if you take those prices, which we're you know, which
we're I'll acknowledge they were pretty bad. I mean, I
would say almost every item is up. You know, wild
mink will you know, certainly they'll be double what they
were last year. I mean, they're still not going to
be great, but you know, you could probably see some
twelve dollars mails, which is you know, you know, much

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higher than it was last year. I would say muskrats,
you know, they were they were unsaleable, you know at
one time last year. They're they're definitely stronger. We've sold
a few rats recently. Heavy raccoon, you know, the semis
are not so great, but you know some of the heavies,
you know, there's it's just an item that's not produced
that much anymore, you know, Wisconsin, northern Iowa, southern Minnesota, Nebraska,

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Dakota's you know that coon is still is still a
bit in demand. So yeah, I mean, I I I'm
a little bit more positive than I was maybe even
at this time last year. As far as the market
on most items, coyote market is still you know, very
very difficult. But most items they're certainly going to be
a market for. And uh, you know, go out and

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trap them, and uh, you know, if you're drafting skunks,
you know you might as well, uh, you know, trap
some of the other stuff, you know, some of the
you know, raccoons. You know, obviously you know, look for
the better stuff. You know, you know, it's the stuff
with holes, the stuff that's discolored. You know, things like
that are going to have very little value. But uh,
you know, most stuff will most things will be you know,
a little better than last year.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Okay, last last question, Uh, are there are gonna are
there gonna be thousand dollars bobcats again this year in
the right places?

Speaker 8 (50:17):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Yeah, sure, I would say so. Yeah. Yeah, the bobcat market,
we're you know, we're pretty well sold out of uh
out of better bobcats. So yeah, market is, uh is
pretty good on those as well.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Excellent man, All right, guy Groenwall, thanks for joining man.
Good luck on scorch.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Thank you very much. Yeah, we'll talk to you all right.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Zach get you excited for trapping season.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Well, I don't, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I just keep my stuff and use it for stuff,
hats and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
But I'm telling you, dude, if I was like, if
you could go back, if I was like me as
a senior in high school and I knew that I
could be those prices.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
On skunks, I would be good.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
They were a nuisance catch for you back then.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Or it would be going game busters.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
You know you tried to like you did your best
to avoid them. I would be going just to be
able to be like to try getting them. I would
be going absolutely gangbusters.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
You're probably some trappers that are going, oh.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Yeah, dude, because you like talking like, yeah, well a
bunch of day. Yeah, and it's just the tails, right
wing nuts.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Cool something new.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That's my whistle for that. Do that, Phil, You're probably
good at it. Nope, Okay, we plugged a live to
her at the end.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Oh, let's do it at the end.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Arkansas sold out, Fanville sold out.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
We still got stuff to go through here.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Well, I don't think we're done. I was just gonna
butt it in there. How was my interview to go
too long? No?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
No, we're fine.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Perfect man needs you on more of these.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Time for a hot tip Off segment, since it's that
time of year when a lot of you out there
about to get accused of abandoning your husbandly and fatherly duties.

Speaker 8 (51:58):
Not me.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Doesn't happen to me, I know a lot of you.
It's it's a problem. We gotta Oh wait, did I
jump ahead?

Speaker 6 (52:05):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Jumped ahead?

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Sorry number six first, Steve questions, No, I know, I
just we've.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Got a bonus hot tip off. We'll get to that,
my bat. It's Hot tip Off time where we decide
which two hunters has the best kernel of hard won
knowledge and expertise. This week, the winner is going to
get a bench made meat crafter, you want to pull
it out, Corey Meat Crafter two point zero, and both
flavors of our our new jerky right there, Steve, you

(52:31):
want to hold Classic Pepper?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
What my hold?

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Ear? Oh?

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Yeah, So the winner's going to get that stuff Classic
Pepper and Hawaiian Terioki.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Winner's getting that stuf Buffalo meat, and both contestants are
going to get a copy of the new Fed Up
Old Trucks Calendar. It signed, which makes it very valuable
and rare.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Collector ye.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
And and today's hot tip off. It is a special
Wisconsin edition, the cheese curd edition. We've got Ryan beegle versus,
Kevin Hall, Phil you want to roll the tape, Ryan
bunt Rock.

Speaker 10 (53:15):
Hey, folks, Ryan, coming at you here from Wisconsin. I've
got a hot tip off this week for your out
of state hunts. When you have to cross lines and
get the brains out of the skulls for CWD reasons,
pack your cordless drill and you can either bring your
own little fourteen gage wire with a jay hook at

(53:37):
the end, or if you're in a pinch, any old
school tent steak and take your cordless drill, stick it
in the back of the skull and your am. It'll
come out in goops. Dump it out. Take your standard
issue water bottle, or if you're a high roller, get
the skeezy one with the nozzle on the top from

(53:58):
quick drip into the back. Here your squeeze, shake it out,
raamer again, back and forth. Could you get all that
stuff out of the rain cavity?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
M M.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
It comes out like a goop.

Speaker 10 (54:14):
But you got yourself a legal skull for across the
state lines.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
That's brilliant. All right, what's the next one? Do you
like that one? Hey, meet your crew.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
This is Kevin Comming Atcher from Wisconsin. For my hot tip,
I'd like to discuss a dedicated kill kit. So when
I'm preparing to go on any Western hunt, what I
like to do is take one of these gallon sized
vacuum sealed bags and I'll place my game bags in there,
along with a couple of zip ties, my hunting license

(54:50):
and hunter safety card, maybe throwing a couple of rubber gloves,
and then I always keep a dedicated skinning knife with
extra razor blades all inside this bag.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
I'll throw it on the vacuum seal here, pull all
the air out of it, and once that's done, I
know I have a dedicated bag that I'll leave in
the bottom of my pack and it's only gonna come
out once I successfully harvest an animal.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Hot tip for you, man, it's a tough one. It's
a tough one.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
You know what he should do with that vax either
you ever do this with your kids, Like when we're
going somewhere, I'll take their coming home close and vac
sealed they're coming home close.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Then they never get into them and their head. It
doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Man, I've lost usage for my vac seiler. I don't
like putting meat in there anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So that might be a good way microplastics shrinking your tain.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
No, I just have a hard time getting every single
one to seal correctly, and then the meat doesn't last
as long compared.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
To but your paper, and I feel like I don't
need to keep this conversation.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, my license and and my hunter safety card in
there with that stuff.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
And I can see putting your tag in there, yeah
tag in some states, but that they can't. You can't
ding them on that.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I'm just saying. I'm just making observations.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Probably probably compresses those game bags down nice, so they're
taking up less space.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
In your path.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
But man, I'm weighing in. I'm going with the skull
cleaning thing because I've used like a piece of coat
hanger and oh yeah, I'm gonna try that.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Here's why I'm going. Here's why I'm going. Brain yeah, slurry.
I the kill kit thing. I like it, but it's
a packaging scheme, Yes, not a scheme.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
It's a packaging it's a packing strategy, yes, which is cool, ye,
but it's a package.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
It's like it's like it's all stuff you'd already think
to bring, but here's how to.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Like, yeah, you might have it in a little stuff
said ching in a pocket and your backpackage, just a
different way to do it.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
So he's pitching us on how to pack it.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
The other guy with the brain slurry, that's a legit
pain in the ass.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
Messy.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
So he's introducing a you know, all due respect, i've
heard that before.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Well, I I it's makes it more efficient.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
But he's introducing a whole concept yep. So I'm gonna
go with that.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
And everyone's got a drill laying around.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
So yeah, I mean I've heard the the idea to
vaccial your food and everything if you're really trying to
compact your backpack if you're going on a multi day
hunt or whatever. So that one wasn't new to me.
But using the tent steak on a drill for the
brain matter, that one was new to me. So I'm
going for the brain matter splatter.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
All right, man, we got a winner.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Ryan, You're the winner.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Hey, congratulations, gratulations hard one, But Kevin, you still get
a calendar because your tip was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Too hard one.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
So now we can jump ahead to the and Corey
those we'll get their contact and all that stuff to
get that stuff out. Oh for sure. Cool. All right,
we got a bonus hot tip for you today since
I'll read it again a lot are you out there
are going to get accused of abandoning your husbandly and
fatherly duties. So we got a very special bonus hot

(58:23):
tip that we felt was worth its own segment. Let
a rip phill.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (58:29):
My name's Ashley. We live in Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
We're new to the area.

Speaker 9 (58:34):
I'm a wife of a newish to hunting dad and
we listened to the podcast every now and again and
we thought we would give a hot tip per tip
off from the wife's perspective. If you need here's my tip.
If you need more time because you haven't filled your

(58:57):
tags yet, but you're worried that your wife will get
mad because she's stuck alone with the kids again, Uh huh,
here's my tip. It's five five tips to get your
wife to be totally fine with you going back out
in the sand. Number one, get her coffee, Set her

(59:20):
up for success, Get her a coffee, clean the kitchen,
make lunch, plan for dinner like take out, take out
the meat to thaw. Plan for dinner, make lunch, get
her a coffee, clean the kitchen, and get a new
activity for the kids. Coloring books, new markers. Yes, you

(59:44):
already have markers, but we like new ones, fresh ones.
Activity for the cat, plan an activity for the kids,
plan for dinner, make lunch, get her coffee, clean the kitchen.
She'll never be mad at you for going out again.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
That's a good woman right there, man, because she's like
laying out her expectation.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
No, that dude doesn't have to guess. Good point, person.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I mean, it's just like, don't be a goober and
just leave without like doing what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Or or yeah, or you say, like I get it,
this is annoying.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
What could I do exactly like I get it, Like
I could get the whole, like I could see from
your perspective, this is like a big ass What can
I do one short term yep, to help out?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
And what in long term? What can I do to
to like a little payback?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Yeah, but I feel like you gotta be careful because
you like can't like get this thing where you like
work yourself into a corner and you can't go Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Well, right, when his kids get a year after year
after year, when his kids get older, though, here's his solution.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
If this is the thing, this is the thing for
young dads.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
You, if you take all the kids with you, no
one will ever get mad exactly you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You're you come home a hero every time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
And they don't have to be of hunting age.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
No, right, If you take them all with you, you
could be like, I'm taking the kids out and I'm gonna,
uh throw them out of a tree, have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
It's like, if you take them all with you, no
one is ever ever gonna get mad at you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Yeah, and you can be preemptive about it. You could
take them camping over the summer, like before hunting season,
and give the spouse a break for a weekend. Sure,
then you then you're ahead of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
People love their kids, but there's a lot most people
are like, dude, if you're gonna take them and go
away for a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Days, please, Yes, then you don't have to worry about
anyway being mad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
But Ashley made some great points, so thanks for sharing. Ashley,
We're also going to give you one of the signed calendars.
Uh and and your husband could put that up in
the garage and like mark times when you should be
taking care of the kids instead of you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Coffee check, kitchen check, yep, markers check, lunch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Use that calendar the way it's supposed to be us
meat thought.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I like that little detail.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
That's yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Break out that burger.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Get that burger thought out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Thanks Ashley, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Thanks, Thanks everyone for joining. That's the end of this
week's show. We'll see you guys next week next Thursday
on October sixteenth, and everything's going to be live, so
the chat room will be back and we can we
can talk with you guys as we go. So thanks
everyone for tuning in.