Ep. 780: A Year of Hunting and Fishing

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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that a.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Good way to say that commemoration.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Since we're dropping a new season of me Eater, we're
there day about like I can't even tell you how
many we've made.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I used to know.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I remember, like you weren't even probably born yet one hundred,
probably weren't even born yet, it was born, and we
hit one hundred episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I remember how old were you?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
What was the first season, like eleven twenty eleven?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I remember we were somewhere and someone said, dude, that
was we just finished. I think we were in a
Laska or something and someone said, we just finished our
one hundredth episode, and what's it a now.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
One forty four? Season one was twenty twelve, goll Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Twelve I started. My first season was season eight.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I know that when we started, I had one kid
and he was real little. Now he's bigger than me
and I got three.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Put that new trivia question, how many kids do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Steve?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
What we're gonna do to kick things off? As I
asked Spencer, because like, I don't know how many we made.
I asked Spencer to take his trivia mind and pull
up a handful of trivia questions about sort of the
the scope and breadth of the show.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, that we've been involved in. We'll learn something about it.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's worked on many men. How many episodes have you
worked on?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't know, Like I said, I started the second
episode of season eight, so I missed that doll sheep
hunt and started at Washington ELK. And then they've been
you're there. I've been on every episode except like I
think two May I think two I missed.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Season eight debuted October twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Look at that, that's when it debuted. But we yeah,
I started, you were filming in eight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's the thing I find all the time is uh,
I can't remember who was where for what. Like for
a long time, Yanni was always produced. Yanni produced, Yanni
produced fifty of him or something, and so us being
like nuts on a dog. You know, anything that happened,
I'd be like, I'd assume Yanni had been there. But
then's something that happened Yani, I wasn't there because I

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just knew that everything that ever happened to me, he
was standing there.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, it's been a while since he's been your side.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Kick, I know, so now anything that happened me, I
just assumed Seth was there because of that pattern of trade.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's been going on so long. He doesn't even remember
I worked on there.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, I remember Brody worked on the crew. Yeah, Brody's crew.
Brody was a Wilderness production assistant, which is the thing
we trademarked.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
He was in front of the camera.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
He's been in front of the camera.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
That's how a lot of people get to start. So
Yanni gotta start. Yanni Brody, Dirt, Dirt Me and Chester.
Now Chili's doing some of that.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
All started out as wilderness production assistants. Yanni very quickly
went from being a wilderness production assistant who didn't realize
he was being paid. I was like to tell that story.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
He thought he was.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
There hanging out for fun, and then someone handed him
as like W nine or whatever, and he was confused
because he thought he thought he was hanging out. And
it was like a week later he was like, the
producer of the show, what do you call that? Within
an organization? We're just like a quick trajectory in those days,
because no one worked here. Yeah, and then he went

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out to do a million of them.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Hit me with a question, question one. We've got five
of these questions in a tie break.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
We're doing trivia. Now, we're doing trivia.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, we're doing trivia. It's about the Breath Meeting series
because we're launching right now, we're launching six new episodes.
We're going to touch on what those episodes are in
a minute, but we're launching six new episodes of me Eater.
We used to do in the old days, the way
we used to rack up a lot of numbers is
when we first started doing the show, we would make
sixteen in a year.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, I would be gone more than I would be
away from my fan more than some years. I'd be
away from my family more than half of the nights.
One time, I got in a fight with my wife
about how much I'm gone, and I'm like that probably
third of the time. She says half the time. I'm like,
that can't be true. And I went back in you know,
like Google calendars, I can go back in time. So
I went back in time to January one of the year,

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and I started just counting nights away, and I remember
getting hitting one eighty. I got into November and hit
one eighty, and I thought to myself, man, we were
going a lot in December. So I quit counting. Never
did count quit counting and said, you know, you're right, yeah,

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but that's why it's so much more civil to make
just a half dozen in a year.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Sixteen in a year.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Is a lot, family, man, now, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well they're little babies, it feels different like you kind
of need to be there. But when they get older,
you just feel a little it's just a lot more
going on, man, you do a lot more consulting, more
than just diaper changing. You know what I'm saying you probably, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
When there's super little babies, it's like a lot of chores.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Unless you just like want to be around with them, right.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, Like I would still be upset, Like I still
cry and shit going out of town, but like now
you kind of you just got to be there to consult.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, but didn't you get in trouble for like getting
upset when you were leaving?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I got yelled at by my wife for getting upset leaving.
She said, you're going to give these kids like a
mental problem acting like that. And then uh, and she
came up with this rule that it was a great rules.
She came up with a rule. If it's not going
to be a big deal when you go away, it's
not going to be a big deal when you get home.
Meaning there's no like banners and shit that say welcome home.

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It's like you get in and you got to merge
onto the lane, like what's going on? Put the duvet
cover on, bring this kid there? Clean this fix that. No, Like, no,
it's not like, oh, daddy's home. What One day she
bathed me in she said, uh, she said she was.
I came home and I was kind of tired, in

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a bad mood, and She's like, if you need to
go spend a night in a hotel just to readjust
and then come home, then that's what you.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Ought to do.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
And I'm like, really, I'll come home and check into
a hotel and be like, hey, baby, just letting you know.
I'm in town, just gonna kick it, watch some movies,
like maybe get a beer in my bodies and stuff,
and I'll.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Be home tomorrow. Cool. That the wrong call, Yeah, I'll
this is the actual This is the actual suggestion as
a test, to which I said.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh, sweetheart, I would never do that. Yeah, but I
held it together.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Uh huh. Maybe hit me thirteen seasons? Hit me?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Which of these critters has been hunted the most on
Meat Eater, Elk, white tail, turkey, mule deer. I know
that five questions all about the Meat Eater TV show, one.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Hundred and forty episodes. Which was hunted most?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Which of these critters has been hunted the most on
Meat Eater, Elk, white tail, turkey, mule deer. Steve very confident.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Let me tell you a quick story. Why these guys
think yea, yeah, I don't think. When we started the show,
there was a guy that we used and uh, he
was trying to sell some aver we had we used
to get like advertisement space, and he was trying to
sell some advertisement space and he was adamant. He said,
you can't do a hunting show that's not ninety percent

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white tail.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
It won't work.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
You showed him, showed him again. Which critter has been
hunted the most? Elk, whitetail, turkey, mule deer. That's the
world tip Steve Gay a little tip he did. You
boys already have your answers. Go ahead and reveal your answers.
Seth Turkey, Steve Turkey, Brodie Turkey, Turks. The correct answer
is mule deer, but really mule deer. Mule deer have

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the most hunted animal on meat Eater being featured on
eighteen episodes serious. That's followed by elk at thirteen, turkey
and white tail at twelve. Black Bears have been hunted
on fourteen episodes, moussan ten, caribou on eight, blacktail on seven,
and Cou's deer on five. So mule deer eighteen, Turkey,

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and white Tail twelve.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's like more than one mule, like avergring, more than
one mule. Deer hunt A season.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
That had a lot of that came early.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
I think you've got multiple like part one in part two.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, that a little bit surprised me, and I feel
better because I find that people don't really want to
watch people hunt turkeys. Ah okay, so it feels better
than we haven't made so many turkey episodes.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Fourth place, Turkey's four.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
People like hunting turkeys, but they don't want to watch
you hunt turkeys.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I don't know watching people.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
They watch people hunt turkeys when that thing comes in, I'd.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like to watch people get charged by leopards.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think we should just well that's what i'd watch.
If someone was like, Seth, what what should we do
for a season of Mediator, I was like, let's just
do all turkey hunts all time. Spring season.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Me and Seth are gonna film a turkey hunt this
spring at a secret spot.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
How you can't even say the state sure.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Starts with the O A cave.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay, that'll be fun. If I get one there, it'll
complete my slam.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Oh, it'll be fun. So it's a rio you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's the okay corral.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Okay, all right, you guys are gonna have to keep
your own scores here.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
We don't have a field.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
You have to sort that out, Seth. We got to
pick some dates and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Man Zero's across. Doesn't you know what doesn't get hunted? Wow?

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow, Spencer, you know all that conversation goes doesn't get hunted.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Maybe there's a reason.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
One of my favorite doesn't get hunting stories is we're filming,
but we go down to that we're hunting this ranch
and Sonora and uh and they're like, oh, yeah, no
one hunts his ranch. No one hunts is ranch. The
first deer we kill has a bullet lodge in his knee. Ooh,
it's like someone's hun trying to hunt.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Question two, When did Yannis make his first cameo on
Meat Eater?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (11:22):
I know that season one, season two, season three, or.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Seasons Oh, I can tell you the episode. Yeah, I
gotta tell you the episode. Looking for the season.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
When did Yannis make his first cameo on Meat Eater
season one, season two, season three, or season four? Steven
Seth know it down to the episode.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Maybe I put a very important quote okay from that episode. Okay,
but I don't I honestly don't know the number it was.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Uh, Steve is writing down the episode just for the
hell of it.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Okay, So can I tell the story when how everybody
fell in love with Yannie?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So we were we were filming in Alaska. I had
drawn a I had drawn like a like most of
Alaska with doll sheep. Most of Alaska's over the counter,
like doll Sheep's typically over the counter, but Alaska has
some limited draw units for doll sheep. And I drew
a limited draw unit. And my brother Danny, lives in Alaska,

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so I don't need I'm outside of the guide requirement.
I don't need to have a guide, right, And and
I drew a limited draw unit. And we were trying
to find we were like looking for a WPA, someone
to just carry gear and backpack hunt with us. And
Yanni's wife is a botanist and she was doing work
up in Fairbanks. And I didn't even really know him,

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not that I didn't not, I didn't know him at all,
but my wife knew him becausey grew up together. So
I got connected with Yanni and We're like, Hey, we're
gonna go do X, Y and Z. Do you want
to come? He's thinking he's just going to hang. But
we did that and then we went do another thing
and he made everybody with creek water. He made cheesecake, Oh,

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pills Bear cheesecake. I don't know how he did it,
and that he like had some little backcountry cheesecake preparation,
and I'm like, I love that guy. And so we
just started hiring them all the time, and that was
when he had his cameo.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's a good addition to his resume. You know, he's
ready reveal your answers. We have seth saying season four,
smell me now, lady, Steve says two brooks range Cariboo,
and Brody says, two, what's that say?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Carabo cariboo?

Speaker 4 (13:41):
The correct answer is season two. Steve and Brody got
that right. Giannis shows up for three seconds on season two,
episode eleven. He spawns a grizzly wandering around camp while
Steve and Tim Ferris are glass and Cariboo. Giannis doesn't
even get a speaking part in the show. Steve simply
refers to him quote one of our camera men. Giannis Steve,

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what else do you remember about that hunt?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
We had a lot of problems with bears, not problems,
but in that area, this is the Western Brooks Range,
it's very hard and very expensive to get there, and
so they're like you you're encountering a lot of animals
that that just have never seen a person, like like
it's it's very reasonable that when you see caribou, they've

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never they don't have any idea what you are. And
the grizzlies have very low like like you could be
a four or five year old grizzly or whatever and
you've never seen a person one hundred percent. So when
they see something moving, they just they're going because they're
gonna go, and they're like, I don't know, it's probably
something to eat, you know what I mean. So they're like,

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like bears are just drawn to stuff. So when they're
coming through and they see any kind of activities heading over,
So we had a number of little bear we were
shooting shotguns try to get barrier away from our meat stash,
and just they just because in those areas, they're just
like they don't have any fear.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's an action packed episode.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I think you guys killed two cariboos and you run
off two grizzlies in the same episode.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's a cool area.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I've been back during a long time, and that area
got that that area later got closed non to non
federal subsistence hunting.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Is that the porcupine herd?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Or is that the no no porcupine herds and the
open again?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Or not not.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Sure where it sits right now with you, I should
know that.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I think you guys caught some grayling in that episode too.
They look very eager to eat your food and then
hunting moose up in that region. Johanni's first appearance again,
season two, episode eleven. Question three, Which episode from season
six has the most views on YouTube? Is it Idaho

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mule deer with cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer
or British Columbia grizzly bear. Which episode from season six
has the most views on YouTube? Idaho muill deer with
cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer or British Columbia

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grizzly bear?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Dirt? That was Dirt's Well, I'm giving the answer away, Okay,
I think I know the answer, all right, I'll wait
till I know. This will be like, you know, you
have like a tidbit shit I do. If I get
it right or wrong, this will be the tidbit.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Which episode from season six has the most views? Idaho
mu will deal with cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer,
British Columbia grizzly bear.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
This bench needs a fresh coat of paint.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It needs a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know, No people pay for him to look like that.
That's like, you know, there's.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
This guy and I think he might be here in
this state. This is the most the craziest thing I've
the most corrupt. Like, there's a guy that goes around
buying gloves and sells because let's say you're some whatever.
He buys gloves and sells what he calls ranch worn gloves,

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so that if you're some candy ass, you can get
gloves that made it that look like you've worked a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Good market for him here.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Oh, that's like buying a cowboy has like a sweat sweatband.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's kind of sad to know that people actually buy
that stuff. Yeah, this would be a good business.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
You'd like get some kids that you get some ranch
kids and be like, listen, dude, I want you to
wear each of these hats for one week. Just sweat
it up, sweat it up, and then switch to the
next because I sell them and I want to have
hass to look like ranch kids war them because of
those side business for ranch kids.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
All right, reveal your answers.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
We have seth saying Idaho mule deer with Cal Steve
with the same answer. Brody says, butchering a whole deer
nobody got that was there? Butchering a whole dear nobody
got it? Though the correct answer is British Columbia grizzly bear.
Really oh, the British Columbia Grizzly Hunting has five point
nine million views, Butchering a Whole Deer has two point

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three million. Idahomulees with Cal has one point eight million,
and Wyoming beaver is one point one million. That grizzly
hunt is one of meat Eater's most viewed videos, despite
their being no grizzly killed. See what do you remember
about that episode?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I remember we went back. We tried it again that
same year, No, the next year, next two years we
went back. Just I remember, I can't remember what we
saw like thirteen or fourteen grizzly bear. Oh we're watching
to meet in ground squirrels.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
It was amazing At one point, I think it was
that trip. Yeah, that trip. One point. Also there's a
we were in a mountain. We were in the over
the counter mountain goat unit and there's a mountain goat
standing there, but we didn't have tag. Next year brought
him mount and goat tag and they couldn't find the
mountain go We had a hell of the times.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Why didn't want to grizzies running around all over the place?

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Why did it one of those thirteen grizzlies die.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Because we were trying to find a big smoker.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Okay, you had opportunities.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Lots of opportunities. And in fact, the second time he
went up, I even later sent the video to a
lot of people. The second time he went up. And
when we got in that area, immediately here comes a
board like what I view to be not a big boar,
but I view to be like a board like a
male grizzly rolling right through two three hundred yards away.

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But no, we hit it twice hard and then you
couldn't hunt that unit anymore for grizzlies.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, you can't hunt any of that.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, because BC closed this grizzly hunt, which everybody was
having a shipfit about. I had a shipfit about it,
but we hit it two years in a row. Cal
was guiding for that guy. So Cal was like my guide,
which is totally fun.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Could you kill a sow on that hunter or not?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
They don't like it. Oh you can, but it messes up.
It messed up the quota system.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Okay, is that when you got charged?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
We got charged in. We got charged right off the bat.
And then we had another bear. We were shooting rocks
in front of it, and it was coming to look
at what we were shooting. Like you'd shoot he was
coming to tartus. You'd shoot a rock and he'd walk
over to see what the rock was.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
How exposed were those bears to humans? Pretty exposed?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, no, pretty exposed.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I think that the lesson there is, if you want
more views, you just got to put grizzly in the.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Title, sure the show, no matter what people want.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
That. Yeah, Illinois Grizzlies.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
It's like white Tails. You just do a season and
nothing but grizzlies, all right.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Question four after Alaska. Which state has been the setting
for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Is it Texas, Wisconsin, Montana,
or Michigan. After Alaska, which state has been the setting
for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana,

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or Michigan.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
What was number one? Uh?

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Tech, Alaska is number one. We're looking for number two. Texas, Wisconsin, Montana,
or Michigan. This is question four right now. Steve and
Brody both have a point Seth has zero.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
God, He's getting beat no matter what he does, he
gets beat.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
A lot of these questions are just pre my time,
that's sure.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
How you know he was still riding around and his
pap he's on?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (21:39):
After Alaska? Which day it has the most? Has been
the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Seth, Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Is that where I hit myself with the chainsaw?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's a close call right there, Jesus man, do you
believe that man's that could have been bad? Yeah? Real bad?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
After Alaska? Which state has been the setting for the
most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan. Reveal
your answers we're set saying Montana. Steve Montana, Brodye Montana.
You guys got it, It's Montana. There have been thirty
two episodes filmed in Alaska, Wow, twenty three in Montana,
and seven in Texas. That's followed by New Mexico, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii,

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and Idaho. That means twenty two percent of med Eater
episodes have been filmed in Alaska. Hmm, Alaska, Montana, Texas.
Those are your top three across North America, the whole continent.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
You got there, that makes sense your favorite place to hunt?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Probably I like going there.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You go for big states. It's true. All right, we
are going into question. Do you apply in California for tags?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Me?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, If there's one like muled, your tag you can
out draw. That I apply for in California can't be drawn.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
It is. I don't even think of California.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
But I'm gonna when I draw that Mulder tag.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I just spent a week in northern California redwoods and
last and volcanic and that got me interested in hunting California,
specifically driving through Wine Country. I desperately now would like
to find a permission to hunt a vineyard and then
go kill a blacktail there.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I can help with your problems. What do you want
to hunt there?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Anything? Anything?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
How can they come talk to me about this?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Because I just.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Had this like epiphany a week ago. It's now on
my radar and it never had I'm gonna talk to you.
Question five. Steve and Brody have two points, Seth has won.
This is the final question. Okay, either way, you boys
have a one point lead on Seth. Question five, What
is the name of Kevin Murphy's homemade wine that he

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serves Steve on season six episode nine? Is it Old
Squirrel Dog, Shotgun, Shine, Acorn Reserve or Vintage Venison?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
What is the name Vin Murphy's head.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
What is the name of Kevin Murphy's homemade wine that
he serves Steve on season six, episode nine, Old Squirrel Dog, Shotgunshine,
Acorn Reserve or Vintage Venison.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Dude, I don't I don't think I knew this the
moment after you said.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
It's h Kevin has a very nice duct tape label
on this bottle. Now, when was this from season six,
episode nine, So that would have been what like twenty sixteen,
twenty fifteen somewhere in there, Old squirrel Dog, Shotgunshine, Acorn Reserve,

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vintage Venison.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Boys. Ready reveal your answers.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
We have sec saying shotgunshine, Steve, Old squirrel Dog.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Me and Brody to the opposites. Brody, I scratched out
shotgunshine to put old squirrel Dog. He scratched out old
squirrel Dog with shotgunshine.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
So we have shotgun shine, Old squirrel Dog, and uh
vinted shotgun shot. The correct answer is old squirrel Dog.
Steve got right. He knows the most about his own
TV show. Kevin Murphy cooks up squirrel biscuits and gravy
for Steve and then busts out a bottle of Old
Squirrel Dog number nine. He declares that this batch had

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ten bottles and that it's pretty dang sweet. The wins
label is made of duct tape and says quote more bark,
less bite and hand crafted go Kevin Murphy's wine. We
have a tie breaker. I'm not gonna use this. We
could do it anyway. How many stars does meat Eater have?
From two hundred and fifteen Google reviews me the TV show?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
What's the five? Five out of five?

Speaker 4 (25:47):
And it's to a decimal point so it's playing its
number point number. How many stars does medieater have? From
two hundred and fifteen Google reviews, This is meaty do
the TV show?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Where do you go to do that? At one Google you.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Type in meat Eater TV show review. It's the first
thing they show you. People with their full ass names
on there leaving Google reviews, so they love or hate
what you got going on?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
So how many stars? Is everybody ready? Reveal your answer?

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Seth four point eight, Steve three point eight, Brody four
point six.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Brody's the closest.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
It's four point four four point four two hundred and
fifteen Google reviews. Here's a one star Google review.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Please.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
This guy is not a hunter whatsoever. His white tail
hunting in Texas is a joke. He's not hunting wild deer.
They're basically livestock. They've never seen a hunter. I literally
almost ripped my hair out watching him rattle as much
as he did. Any wild deer in that area with
that much rattling would be gone. And the decoy he
used was actually hilarious. Again, any wild deer would bolt

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at the first glance at that thing. The icing on
the cake was when he was rattling at a buck
that started running away, spook, and he continued to rattle
at it. This dude does not should not have a
hunting show. It's trash. That review rattled in thirty two Bucks.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Say, did he say anything about the other guy that
was on at us?

Speaker 4 (27:12):
That was Mark Kenyon who left that ref. No, it
was Seymour Music. Seymour Music gave you a one star review.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know what I would say to Seymour, tell him
we rattled in thirty two Bucks. I think that when
in Rome, do as the Romans. Yeah, Like if you're
in like first off wilder, I mean that's just like
a they are wild deer duds. There's no fence, so
there's that. But if you rattle in thirty two Bucks,

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it doesn't mean that it would work anywhere. Like there's
places where you can use you should use hundreds of
decoys for ducks, and there's places where you should use one.
You just do what works where you're at.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, there's like a super high buck to dough ratio,
which is why it works there, right.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, Like if I was hunting in where I grew up, Michigan,
I wouldn't rattle at all.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I mean tech if old Seymour here knew anything about anything.
He knows like Texas is the number one state for
rattling bucks, like when I grew up hunting or watching
outdoor television and white tail shows, like Texas was the
place where you went to rattle.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know what his name ought to be his Seymour
should be his middle name needs to should be his
first name, and his last name should be deer.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
It's passionate. He was passionate. He had to go all
the way to Google and then write out paragraphs.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's always uh blows his craw gotten his craw did
when people write reviews about ship that they don't have
no clue, Like he has no clue about what actually
happens there, or what actually happened or the place we
were hunting. Just makes him look like an idiot. Anyway,

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go ahead, come hunting, rattle one in for him. Damn
I need to start. I need to be mean to you.
Then imagine taking old Seymour down there to the area
and rattling bucks in. You think he'd be like this
is stupid.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, well I'd sit him down and be like, oh, remember,
don't rattle. Where does that rank? Among your funnest white
tail hunts. It's just different kind of fun. It's different
kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Top three white tail experiences.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's too different. It's too different. One of my favorite
white tail like one of my favorite white tail experiences
of all time was rattling. But it was just rattling,
like basically in kind of the weirdest place you'd ever
think to hunt local with my little kid, and we
just like sat down and we were to say, give

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it a shot, and all of a sudden, like damn.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Here comes the buck. That was cool and it worked.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, and it worked. We killed like a foky. So
it just it just depends too much that is amazing.
It's amazing. It's truly cool because I hadn't experienced anything
like that before. I've never been somewhere there's that many
deer running around, you.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Know, Seth, was that like one of the best white
tail experiences you've had?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Oh yeah, And the thing about that place is if
you go out in the bush and just sit there quietly,
you will hear bucks rattle.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Like we heard bucks rattling.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, fighting that's that's a good indicator that they're going
to be receptive. Yeah, Seymour, shut up. I think you
can respond to Google reviews seths. So I'll point you
in the dright direction time. Steve's the winner.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I think we want more of this, like reading bad
reviews stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
There's about twenty of them for the meeting.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
None from animal rights people. There's a handful of those.
Those are less interesting though.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Sure they just call you bad names and say you
need to find something else to eat.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah. So I want to tuck.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
In and give a little little preview review of what
all shows we got coming out with season thirteen and
a little bit of extra info on them. So one
of the ones we got is Louisiana spearfishing, which that
is something I like a bunch. That's something I like
a bunch. What I like about it is, like I said,

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the thing man, it's just like you've never seen marine
life in like in pounds, like you do around the
oil rigs. Which is the craziest part about it is
that you're watching like I didn't even know this till now.
One of the rigs, like one of these oil rigs

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that we spearfishing this episode. So when you watch the episode,
Louisiana spearfishing. One of the rigs we visit is not
there anymore. Like they went into the golf and built
oil rigs long ago they started to oil exploration there,
and these oil rigs have created these vert like vertically

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oriented reefs.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I don't really understand how they build these, like the engineering, yeah,
just like I don't know that I need to either,
but I'd look at that every time and I'm just fascinating.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, the ones that they got ones now that are
GPS guided in the float, you know, but yeah, these
are these are rigs that are I mean, you could
you could be at a rig in thirty feet of water.
You could be at a rig and three hundred feet
of water anchored to the ground, big concrete pads right
so that they're they're yanking them out. And so over
the years we've been going down there to spearfish on

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the oil rigs, and I keep getting notes from my
buddies down there about like that rig we went to
is gone, That rig we went to is gone. That
rig we went to is gone.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
And it's even been like a somewhat political thing about
the rigs, like they had this program rigs to reef.
There's a federal program. There's a federal program called Idle Iron.
Idle Iron was meant to be pulling all these rigs out.
Like as the rigs are done being used and all
the structures done being used, people want to get rid
of them because they think it's a navigation hazard and
because shrimp trawlers don't like them. But meanwhile, it created

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a fishery. You could go drift if you went far away,
Like if you went five hundred yards from a rig
and drifted around, you're not going to see like you're
not going to see a fish. You go to a rig,
it's stacked with fish. I mean a rig contains literally
a rig contains tons of fish, like tons of fish.

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It's got sharks around They got sharks around them, they
got amberjacks around them. There's wahoo around them, hosts of snapper, grouper,
like everything is around it. The bait hides in it, and.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
A lot of places like they're in spots where otherwise
there wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
There'd be nothing there. Nothing wasn't there be shrimp, but
there was nothing nothing, And they like inadvertently created this
world renowned fishery. And now they're yanking at garbage out
one of the rigs we fish. And when you watch
this episode, one of those rigs we fish was gone
six days later.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
WHOA did you just know that?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
While you were you didn't know it. And when they
dynamite it, they kill everything on that rig the concussion.
When they blast the rig, everything on it dies.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And meanwhile, and in other places they're like bending over
backwards to create.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Artificial halling shit out and dumping it, hauling shit out
to make reefs.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Sinking old battleships and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
And they had the perfect solution with the rigs is
like what they were sometimes they were going for a while.
They're going in and tipping them over, tipping them over
and giving the right clearance whatever it is, forty feet,
fifty feet, seventy feet, tip it over. My solution, which
no one's picked up on. And I've made it ten times.
Take every three rigs, pluck them up and dump them

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on the fourth rig. Therefore you have a seventy five
percent reduction in places that have a structure sense. But
now you have twenty five percent of the number of rigs.
But each of those rigs is seventy five percent bigger. Yeah,
so you make you reduce, you reduce substructions by seventy
five percent and make these big, giant hot piles of fish.

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It is the most like, it is the most absurd thing.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
What percentage of the decision making is state versus federal
for those things?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Most of those are in federal water, but a lot
of it is it comes down to fighting about so
the oil companies own them and they don't, and they
to rid themselves of liability.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
They yank them.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, So like I'm not trying to act like it's
a simple problem. Sure, but if we can, if we
can make it look like we put a man on
the moon, that's podcast. If we could put a man
on the moon in nineteen seventy, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Nine I think goes a little earlier than that.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Whatever the hell they were up there? I don't know
were they up there. I'm looking for the thing right now.
Sixty six? Whatever hell they got a guy up there?
I believe it. I think he's there. Put a guy
on the moon. We can't figure out a way to
take and alleviate, Like, we can't figure out a way
to like legally hand these rigs over and dump them off.

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You're making a fit. They're destroying a fishery. And like,
however you feel if some people are instinctively opposed to
oil oil extraction, It's like, dude, it's done. They did
the oil.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, these are decommissioned rigs.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Damage is done. It's like they're there now and they're
all the fish. I've even had guys, I don't believe
this by like the story. Guys told me that, like
when they go in and nuke one of these rigs,
they got these things called rig reapers. When they go
in and jack one of these rigs out and cut
it up in the haul away, these guys are telling
me what fisher left have nowhere to hide? And he says,

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what fisher left leave with the boat just following they're
under the boat. I don't know true, but like I
believe it.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
I got a practical question about that, Like fishing or
spearfish in those reefs, when you head out in the
from the marina in the morning, is it like we
gotta Is there enough of them that you're not worried
about getting to one and finding competition?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
We have shown up, Oh competition, Like you get.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
There and you're like, oh, shit, someone's already on this rig.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah a little bit, yeah, a little bit. We've gone
to pins.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
You know Star Wars when they go to that planet
and like it's gone right in the very first one.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
What's it. Remember there's a movie called Star Wars Princess,
so this is this is Princess Lady lea gal Okay,
I'm also aware they go to a planet and they're like,
good lord, uh it's gone.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
The Death Star guy.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's like, that's like the rigs.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, it shot it. The death started shot it, so
which is a hell of a shot. So the hell
of a gun. But we you'd go to rigs and
it was like that. You'd show up and the rigs
is not there because the rig reapers is taking it.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
You know, here's one of the biggest things about diving
those rigs that you learn is true. Like you'll pull
Let's say you pull up to your rigging there's some
dudes roding reel fishing, right, and you can watch them
ride and reel fish for thirty minutes and no one
catches shit. Okay, not always what I'm saying. It's totally
reasonable that you just kind of hover off, like if
it's way out and you're aready like, oh, I just
wait till they're done and just hang out, you know,

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drinks of coconut water, and uh, you'll see these guys
are fishing, fishing, fishing, knowing no rods bent, no one
catches nothing. Okay, they pull away. You pull in there
and jumping at water and get down below the mirky
layer and it's just fish and it's like that. It

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was the same feeling as when you get an underwater
camera when you're ice fishing, because when you're ice fishing,
you're not catching anything. You think in your mind it's
like the fish aren't there. But then you put an
underwater camera down and know, oh, no, they're there. They're
staring at the bait. Ye like they're all hanging around
looking at it, and in your mind they're not down there.
It'd be like draped with fish and you could have

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a guy on the boat fishing seth Yep, you could
fish and you're like, how are you not catching anything?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
It's literally thousands of snapper. I remember one time this
was on a different trip, but I was fishing while
you guys were down there, and you came up and
said I could see your jig down there and there
was nothing around it.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
And meanwhile they're hitting on steel. Yeah, that's the joke.
They're always hitting on steel. No, it's a travesty man.
It's like I just like it. Yeah, I I I
understand the size of it. I understand the navigation has
there's I understand the liability thing. I understand the annoyance
the shrimp trawlers. But it's like you have created a
paradise and you're destroying a paradise.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I'm very unfamiliar with that part of the world. Are
they like still building oil.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Rigs, Yeah, but they've mostly my understanding, I'm not a
subject matter expert, but my understanding is they've moved to
these way offshore. They'll have a pipe, they'll have a
flexible line going down, but they might be in two
thousand and three thousand feet of water. And it's a
it's a it's a GPS guided platform that you can
move from spot to spot. So I don't know that

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they're I don't know that they're building many more structures,
not like they were.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
When when were they building these things?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Oh, I think all like seventies, eighties, nineties, early two thousands,
they were build riggs. But I'm not a subject matter
expert on that part. I'm a subject matter expert on
one thing. It's this, there's a lot of fish on
them rigs and you shouldn't be messing with those rigs.
Like I would love to have a debate, you know what, Karin,
That'd be a cool idea to do an episode where

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we get a person that likes getting rid of the rigs,
and then we'll have I'll bring in guys that love
the rigs and they can argue.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
What I'd like to know is like who out.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
There wants to get rid of these rigs? And will
you come on the show and like give me some
half asked reason why.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, I'd like to know what, like a fisheries guy
would say about it.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
He's pissed. He's pissed.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Right, Well, we're after down there and the episodes we're
trying to get amberjack, and like, you know, it's funny
and putting the episodes together when we're cleaning amberjack and
the amberjack these are all, you know, fifty sixty seven
pound amberjack, big amberjacks, super good to eat. They're one
of those fishing people think isn't good and they always

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like cite the worms. Yes, and like all fish have worms.
It's just a fact. Like when you're eating halibut. I'll
look at when I'm serving people halibut and I'm looking
at their plate. What I'm seeing is I'm wondering if
they're going to know what they're looking at. Same, I'm like,
I wonder if they're gonna know what that is. That's

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a big worm thing. To think that brown thing in
there's a vein.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Would you restaurant? Sure?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, it just has worms. You're you're a pan fisherman, right, sure?
You ever clean bluegills and perch? And he looks like
someone put black pepper on out. You know what you're
looking at? Parasites? It's everything's loaded, everything's loaded. But an
amberjack has toward its tail. Like if I'm an amberjack,
I'm an amberjack, big one, my mouth on me on

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me as an amber jack. Right here, so above the
caudal fin. Once once the caudal fin starts to come out,
right here is a pocket of worms. It looks like
you just dug into your compost pile.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Why are they held there that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I don't know why they liked that spot. That's where
they live, so you just trim around it. But check
out what I didn't notice at the time Krim was
digging into this because you're talking about these worms. It's
called an amberjackworm. Okay, it's like a it's like a tube.
But check out what that som of bitch's life cycle is.
He starts, I got a home. I gotta get my

(43:38):
spectacles on. I might just throw my Ben Franklins on
under my shades. You ever see me do this?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Oh that's sporting. Listen to this? Do that look good? Uh? Huh? Yeah?
Can you tell I got these on? Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, okay, I gotta zoom this in. Hold on, man,
how do you zoom this in?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Ha?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
When you're cleaning an amberjack okay, and you get into
his tail, guess what that worm has been through.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
That worm is born in a shark. Okay, the larva
developed well, no, we can't call it being born. That
larva develops into an adult tapeworm in the gut of
a shark. Okay, that shark is shatting out. Okay, that

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larva develops and has eggs in a shark.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
You track him in the sharks digestives.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yep, that shark shouts out.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Eggs.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Okay, so he's shouting out eggs. Crustaceans find these eggs
and eat them. You tracking like shrimp or something, shrimp, crabs, whatever,
who's ever feeding down in the bottom. Probably shrimp. Little
fish eat the crustaceans that have ate the shap.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You're still dragging it was still not to the amberjack.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Amberjacks eat those little fish inside the amberjack, it grows
into that big scary worm that makes people say amberjacks
aren't good to eat. And then then a shark eats
the amberjack and gets the worm back.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Oh so what came What came first, the shark or
the amberjack. That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And so the next time you're parson those worms, think
about where that thing has been and what he's been through.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
A lot of good evolution happening there.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, And people get like, this is the thing that
piss me off about people and nature. People get like,
can you believe drone technology?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Now?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well you want to, you want to hear something crazy
that's true. Think about this for a minute. Man will
never ever ever come up with anything as interesting as
that ship. You know what I mean, And I don't think.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
What else.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Seth was there for. The Seth is there for all
this stuff. But we filmed the muzzloader hunt. There's not
a lot of to say abouts. We already covered it
pretty heavily in state in Montana because Montana started their
musloader season. Montana started their musloader season a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Ago, which is primitively here.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, and I like the way. I like the way
they manage it. Man, you want to explain that because
you boys come from the world's most primitive.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
State, Pennsylvania, Yeah, which is flintlock only.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Did you do that a little bit?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Not much. I took up muzzl hunt later with the
new fangled inline muzzleloader like in Colorado, so like you know,
you can use powder you I don't think you can
use pellets there, but it's like way easier than the
traditional muzzle loader.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
So we we filmed in Pennsylvania for the flintlock season,
and that's like you're hunting Daniel Boone equipment. Yeah, like
straight up Daniel Boone equipment.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Air triggers, gun not going off.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Gun going off. Montana.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Basically when Montana came in, they did it right, Like,
there's some states where it's a joke. Is it New Mexicore, Arizona,
it's kind of a joke. You can use a scope.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
I was very friendly to muzzleloader hunters, but you use
a rifle.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
That's because they don't because it's flattener's houses. Yeah, so
it's like a different objective, right, But some of the
states it's like I think New Mexico is the new
Expa has a really stupid one, or Arizona. Maybe Arizona
has a really dumb one where he basically you can
still you can use telescopic sites, and you can buy
souped up muzzleloaders. You can still you can still hit

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targets at six hundred yards. Yeah, it's kind of like
it's not really a muzzloader hunt. But here they call
it a heritage hunt because they restrict the gear. You
gotta use the true to sized lead, so no no sabots.
Like if it's a fifty cow, it's gotta be a
fifty cow lead, loose powder or is it loose powder?
I think, yep, loose powder, no telescopic sight, and it's

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got to be loaded from the muzzle and.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
It's gotta be a flint lock or percussion cap.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, And part of my problem is I have a
flint lock and I need to send a guy. I
got a guy. I found a guy that's gonna build me.
What's gonna be my new super gun? I want? I
want a single trigger per caustion cap mm HM fifty

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four caliber.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Because you don't like those set triggers and triggers.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Hate them.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
That's a deer saving device. In my hands, it's a
deer saving device.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's saved two deer in two different episodes.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Dude, I can't. I'm not smart enough for it. I
spent my whole life with one trigger. Also, I can't
go hunting with two triggers.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Yeah, the like heritage flint lock thing. I would say
it's probably the highest barrier of entry if you were
like just getting pick a weapon and go hunting. It's
harder than I would say archery crossbows, traditional archery.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Well, especially here because you're doing it after those things
have been hunted with bows with rifle, like they're not
like they're wary that time.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
That was my bunchy snow on the ground.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, that was my takeaway as I totally miscalculated First off,
I thought the season was way later than it was.
So when I was getting all excited about it, I
was like, oh yeah, because like deer season will be
over for weeks and the deer will be chill.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's not like that.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
It's like they've been getting hit for six weeks of
archery three months, they've been getting hit for six weeks
of general firearm and then all of a sudden, like
you go out thinking like, oh yeah, there, you know
all I got all over now, but the gun because
it's muscle oder season and they'll be chill. It's like
they are on edge. Yep, they are on the worst.

(50:21):
They have not forgotten about gun season at all. If
you ran, if you ran it like in August, it'd
be a good time.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
It is.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It is like I'm not saying I'm done with it.
I'm just saying like I went into it thinking like
I said I was, I was just ready to start gutting.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Do you guys know anybody who killed one with I
do heritage?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, And I'm gonna get serious about it. I'm gonna
get serious about it. And I'm getting this new souped up,
not souped up. I'm getting this gun. I gotta send
a guy my five hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I think it'd be a good season for you for
white tails, Like, you know, you get some access.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I try to wrap up that by November something.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Do you know do you use your email as a
to do list?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Explain?

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Like, my email is kind of like my to do list.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Oh, in a way, but the notes on my phone
to do list.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
If you go to the bottom of my inbox, I
have twenty three things in my inbox. If you go
to the bottom of my inbox, you know what, it says,
five hundred dollars to John.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
You gotta fly in your face.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
So I need to get my new muzzle order.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah, what are you gonna call that episode? Got a
lot of directions you could go.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
We already named it.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I don't know. Oh you know what I forgot to say?
That's really funny about I was telling someone this the
other day. Oh, I did, He's really funny. I went
on THEO Von's podcast. He's from Louisiana, so I was
asking him, hey, man, are you switching to Golf of America?
And he's not switching, and so all that was all

(51:58):
that shit was hitting the fan when we were making
our episode. We were cutting the episode, so like we're like,
of course, because we always name like a big thing
is like to name I like landscape features more than
I like geopolitical borders. So in the intro where I
was like where are you you know, so it'd be
like in the rocky mountains rather than whatever, or like

(52:20):
along the Missouri River, along the Mississippi. So we're like,
when we rode it, we wrote it Golf of Mexico,
but then all the ship started hitting the fans, so
we like went into record one time and we're like,
and I just made a joke kind of like the
Golf of you know, like you're trying to ride the fence,
you know, like to not get in trouble for getting
the word police.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
After you do you think people will understand that?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, Hillary, our production team pointed out that it's kind
of stupid, So we went back to We went back
to Gold of Mexico because like the whole thing was
on that.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It was like, well, it was the Golf of Mexico
when you shot it. It was a Golf Mexico.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Who shot it. But I'm not gonna switch because like
part of the appeal, like the word police were making
life so bad for a number of years, right, the
word police were just like on you all the time.
And then the vibe shift, the cultural vibe shift, happened
and you got a break from the world the word police.

(53:22):
But then all of sudden was like the dog that
catches a car, because then all of a sudden, they're
turning in word policing back on you. Do you know
what I mean? And I just I was like, man,
I'm just done with getting word policed, Like I got
sick of it. I thought it was over. Now we're
getting word police from the other side. And I just
went Golf of Mexico, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

(53:45):
I think I just like I can't handle getting word policed.
Golf of Amberjack, Golf of a Amberjack.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Somebody watching that in twenty thirty five, when we're doing
another podcast recamp for season what twenty three, At that point,
Golf of Mexico old age better, they'll be calling it
that again.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I'll change it back by then. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Theo Vonn thinks that there should be a big competition
between America and Mexico, like an Olympics of stuff that
has to do with the golf to see who wins
the name, like.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Uh, spearfishing, oil drilling, oil drilling, shrimping, and whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Country wins gets naming rights.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Spring break partying.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, like I don't have Like if my kids wind
up growing up calling it golf America, I'm like, I
don't care. That's cool, but I'm too old. I can't switch.
I realized I can't switch, Like I remember going from
McKinley to the Naley, and I don't know that I
got the energy to go back. I switched when I
was young and malleable.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Are there any bird names you had to change when? Uh,
when they started switching?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Switched back? So you're back to if it's like a
Cooper's hawk.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I've done two switches. I switched and this wasn't because
of This wasn't word policing. I went from blue grouse
to duskies and soodies, and then now out of laziness,
I've gone back to blue grouse.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah it's just blue automatic. I don't even it's just
blue comes up.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Species split, right, that was.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
A species split. It wasn't word policing. Now a word
policing one would be the duck an old squad whether
you call it a long tail or not. And I
kind of sit the fence on that one, you know,
I sit the fence on that one. All the other
new changes, there's no way, there's no way Cow gets
upset when you.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Goliath group or I never went with the old name.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Could we not say the old name?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
It was a jewfish. I don't know why I didn't
know that. I don't know why Krin. You know why
Kri left so weird? She was just here.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I don't know why they used to call it a jewfish.
I've always just called them Goliath grouper. I don't know
why they call it that. It should be easy to
find out. We got an episode coming out where we
turkey hunt with Luke Comb's that was fun State Texas.

(56:11):
Here's why I'm nervous about that episode coming out because
we kind of reaped. One can do that in Texas
and it's like, it's not a safety issue because we're
on a friend's place.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
But people are gonna.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Be like the reaping police are gonna.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
On one episode, the word police are gonna get us,
The reaping police are going to get us.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
On another episode, the rattling police.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
The rattling police, which I didn't even know existence Seymour
rattling cops. No amount of success, no amount of bucks
you've called in, can like please him? So the Reaping
police are going to come after us, but we're it
was like, I don't go immediately to the Reap.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
It's a fallback, men, it's a fallback. That was some
challenging turkey hunting, very challenging turkey hunting. We got like
historic rainfall.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Oh, we just knew it was raining a lot, but
we weren't looking at the news. We didn't know it was.
It was like a national news story that there's like
major flooding and we're just kind of like mine, you know, like,
good lord, does it rain? Mean bridges are underwater and
like cars are floating away?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, We're like, whoa, they get a lot of rain
in the spring.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
It wasn't the big tragic this is don't people would
be confused. It wasn't the tragic flood in Texas that
that that I mean, I wouldn't even joking about that ship.
It wasn't the flood in Texas that had fatalities and
children lost. It was a localized flood that did not
have fatalities, but it was there was some fooding and
it was and we had We were oblivious to it
for a couple of days, and then someone came in

(57:49):
and be like, oh, you had no you didn't know, dude,
this is like a major flooding event. We just saw
it was raining a lot while we hunted turkeys. It
was a tough hunt.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I feel like the reaping police is like the defensive
It is a little bit of a straw man argument.
Like I feel like most people just have common sense
and they're like, that's that's a pretty cool way to
kill a turkey, assuming everyone is like safe about it.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
You know, there's anything stupid there there.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I mean, to be fair, there's been people who have
gotten shot doing it.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Yeah, And I think there's states too outlaw.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Pennsylvania and if if a state outlaws I would never
show up at the Game Commission fighting for it.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
It's right to me. It's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It's like if you can do it on occasion, I'll
do it if you get rid of It's like two
way communications. If a state says you can't use two
way communications to hunt, I'm like, cool, do you know
what I mean? Like it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Man, You're still gonna have a good hunt.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
You have a state said hey, muzzleloader season from now on,
you gotta you can't. You gotta use loose powder, no
telescope excites, and like cool.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
If a state says no reaping, I'm like, that's fine, whatever,
I'll be fine. Uh and and and on that thing.
Like I would not And this is more out of
fear for my wife. I would not reap with my
little kids because of one of them. You know, even
if we got grazed, I'm gonna be a lot of trouble,

(59:14):
a lot of trouble.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Well. Another argument to the reaping thing is that it
triggers something in their brain that they can't resist. That's cool,
though I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
It's like saying you're using the wrong fishing.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I mean, how many times.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Banned this lure has been banned because it's too effective.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I mean, I don't see it as like all that
different than putting a decoy out, man.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I mean yeah, but in my experience, I've had many
times where there's turkeys out in the field and you
have a decoy out and you're calling whatever, hours go
by and they're still out in that field, and then
you pull out a fan and start crawling towards them
and they're coming. Sure, it's just like a there's no,
there's not very many other I don't know of any

(01:00:03):
other animal where they have a thing where if you
do it like there's a very high chance that they're
going to be triggered by it and they're coming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
You're a great turkey hunter. You're a better turkey hunter me.
I can't say that that's I can't say that that
has been my I've seen turkey see a fan and
not come a running me too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, But I would say in my experience time are
the lures you won't use because they work too good.
I haven't found that out. Live bait works great a lot,
you know, But I've also seen where plastics outfish like,

(01:00:46):
there's nothing that I can think of that umbrella rig
if you're fishing best.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
They that had they had to outlaw those hooks, too
many hooks, but also like it was too successful for
a hand full of tournaments.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Oh, they outlawed in tournaments, yes, But I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Think states, I feel like states have also taken a
stance and maybe that's come in the form of like,
how many hooks you can have?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Don't they have?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
But they have rigs where if there's eight of them,
only two have hooks, would they would.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Put like one with a different color, Like it's say
it's eight seven of the plastics are white and one
is chartreus and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
That's the one and that's not There's some states where
you can only have one hook and they run a
rigs with just one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Hey, do you know, Krin, do you know why why
Goliath Grouper were long known as jewfish? Krinn has looked
but don't remember, doesn't remember. Yeah, check it out?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I mean, I'm assuming it's derogatory. I doubt if someone's celebrating,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Episode four is a Laska bear of Evan Felker that
just happened. We just had a podcast about it. Fantastic episode. Now,
someone brought up Krin brought up and looking at she
was watching the cut, she brought up, there there we
are eating raw bear meating Alaska again. That bear meat
was pretty cool. Here in the picture. Someone needs the
color cracked it to make it look more ked.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I will say. When we were eating it, I'm like, oh,
I don't know. No one got sick. I knew.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I can just tell now by looking at it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
You want to hear Steve, You want to hear the answer?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Please.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
First recorded usage in sixteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Was before the show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Concluded that the species little piece of physical characteristics were
frequently connected to mainsteak characters of anti Semitic anti Semitic beliefs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I'm backed that up again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
These physical characteristics were connected to mainstay charactertures of anset
anti Semitic beliefs.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yep. I don't know if I believe that one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Alternate explanations include derivation from an Italian word.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Gew pesche.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I'm assuming it's that seems reasonable, which means bottom fish,
or the mispronounced mispronunciation of the name jawfish.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
That is where my money is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Okay, So there's no real type explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I don't know if the first one could be correct.
I understanding that I had to make a stab.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I'm just reading what was on Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
And then episodes. Yeah, yeah, that that bear meat. No
one got sick. Don't get worried if we on spring
bear Hunt. Oh you don't mind, you know. A month
later and it doesn't matter anyway, It's like, not a problem.
It's alarming, but not a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Would you go if you got it again? Would you
go through the same.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Same thing again? Yeah, same thing all over again. Yeah
you can be you being a carrier, you still have
to go through the initial discomfort.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I thought when we when we were in Africa, I
was getting some unusual like muscle pains. You thought you had.
I thought I might have had it. But I'm pretty
sure I had a pinch nerve from sitting on a
plane for so damn long. What you were describing wasn't
right to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
All the people that got it when I when we
got it, we all got very similar symptomology.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
How undercooked was the meat the time you got it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Real undercooked? We were talking about getting tricknosis from it.
We were joking about how we're gonna get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Was it like pink on the inside?

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Was it red on the inside.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Enough that one of the guys there was like, I
ain't that though, But no, this bear meat was this
this bear me is not a problem. And man I
took so we had a couple of bears this year.
This bear one of these bears, and then and then
my boys bear. Have you had my breakfast links the
end of the butcher made.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Me yeah, nod, They're good. Oh the best thing in
the world, man, Yeah, the best thing in the world.
Karin has a question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Karin's saying, if you get it like you had it,
but then meet again, is that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
An increased load?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Like, then what happens to you get you like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Because once you get.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It, it doesn't go away, She's saying. Since once you
get it, it doesn't go away. If you just keep
eating it, can you get an increased load?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I thought it does go away? Though over time, over.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
A decade, the cysts, the cyths, the cysts become not viable.
Over some period of time that's not well understood, the
cists become unviable.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
My understanding is that the load.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Is bad.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
And the other danger you have from it is that
so it those those larva bore into your muscle tissue.
People have had problems where for whatever reason, they get
a concentration of it in their heart, in their heart muscle.
So when you see that, like, something bad could happen
to you. What I was referring to is that you
got like a heavy load, a heavy concentration in in

(01:06:21):
like sensitive sensitive muscle tissue like your heart.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I assume this is on your medical record. Has a
doctor ever addressed it in the future, been like, I
see you have trichinosis.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Never but I know they haven't. And it's a CDC
reportable disease, so you're logged in the in the Centers
for Disease Control and they track tricknosis cases. But I've
never had someone bring it up to me that I
hadn't brought it up to And I don't even think
to bring it up to doctors anymore, right ever, and

(01:06:54):
then the last three episodes of the ones I'm most
excited about, but we haven't even really were cutting them.
But I haven't gotten into any of Yeah, so Tanzania
three episodes five, six, and seven in Tanzania. And I
need to turn attention to Sethfield for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Oh boy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
And now that you've had time to sit back, like
Seth didn't want to go. He was being kind of
a baby. Now that you've had time. Now that you've
had time, okay, you've had time to reflect.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
If you could wave a magic wand and have it
be that you hadn't gone, would you wave it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I'm glad I went. Oh, no desire to go back,
not at all? Tell me, yeah, I'm not challenging that
because that's where I was for most of my life.
When I was your age, i'd have been like you,
I would if you gave me a free trip. I
wouldn't have gone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah. You know, if someone gave me a free trip,
I don't know that they'd be like, yeah, sure I'll go.
Depends on the time of year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
I guess, yeah, but help me out, like like, because
I remember, I remember not wanting to go, and I
remember like it built like a like a desire to
where I wanted to go so bad I couldn't stand it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I spent a lot of time thinking about this post
trip to myself why I had just have no desire
for that place, And I don't have an answer thee
that that's a that's a reason, but it's not the reason.
That's when I was growing up watching like when I

(01:08:24):
would watch the Outdoor Channel or whatever, if an Africa
episode came on, I would change the channel because it
had nothing to do with you had there's just no interest.
For most of the time, I didn't want to go.
I couldn't think of those things as game animals. I'm there.
I'm I'm there too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I couldn't think of them because like I didn't, I wasn't.
I didn't grow up lusting over them, so I couldn't
picture them as game animals.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
And that's one of the things that started to change,
is like by reading all these guys that like, all
these famous writers and stuff that hunter I still hard
to start to get where I could like look at
a Kate buffalo and be like, oh, it's like a
game animal. But before I I don't know it like
a zoo animal.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
It's hard to think of something as a game animal
that you you've never watched walk around in the wild,
you know, like it is for me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Anyway, it was hard to think of it as a
game animal. Yeah, and it was hard to separate it
from the controversies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
What I want to know is about Africa is how
like it's like comparing apples don't wearn just but like,
how would you compare it to your trips to South
America and like what similarities, what differences, like maybe which
one you like better?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
What whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Like just an observation on those trips you made to
South America versus Africa, because one was like you kind
of out there like in the nitty gritty doing it,
and this was a much different situation where you're like
you're you're like being guided.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, agree, you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Were still being guided in I Like, I like South America,
Like like I am dying to take my kids on
a river trip in South America. And part of what
I liked about it it was very kind of like
ad hoc and figured it out as you go, and
like you were, you're like very involved in it. You're
doing things that you're just figuring stuff out, you know, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Doing things that they'd be doing every day for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
And in Africa, it's like it's very like what you're
doing is being put on for you, right, and the hunting,
like what you're doing is being organized for you. Yep,
and and and and and like and hanging out with
Amerindians in South America was like you're doing a thing
that you know, but you're you're doing a thing that's
very similar to what they do. You know, maybe you

(01:10:42):
got you know, maybe you got more boats and whatever,
but they live a life of getting on those rivers,
going a way up those rivers and hunting and fishing,
and so you're just like hanging out. There's different stuff
happening that wouldn't happen. But the sort of the framework
of it is you're kind of going like, oh, so
this is like a lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Yeah that that I mean, Seth doesn't have any desire
to go back. I had a much stronger desire to
go do that type of trip in South America than something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Like yeah, like there's a there's a river. I want
to take my kids soon. I want to take my
kids and go to the but we need like a month. Yeah,
and I want to go to the headwaters of a river,
like I know the river, the headwaters. I want to
hire someone. I want to yep. But it's like a
you know, it'd be like a twenty some day Yeah,

(01:11:30):
all in twenty some days.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Which is I mean, you were in Africa for a
long time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
I keep telling people I caught my fingernails twice. Yeah,
that was the last time you've been somewhere and cut
your fingernails twice.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
I can't can't think of what it would have been. Yeah,
Africa is uh, it's like less interesting to me because
a sweet spot for where a rifle cartridge is interesting,
is like a three eight two seventy And you get
smaller than that, I'm I'm uninterested.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
You get bigger than that, I'm uninterested. And what like
what cartridge were you shooting?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
The like the go to is the three seventy five age,
and ah, it's just a very like that's what we hunted?
Anything with it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
What was the shooting experience? Like? What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
How far are you shooting? Just like the recoil, Oh,
the recoil takes so long that it's not bad. You know,
you're shooting like a seven millimeters ram bag and the
recoil is like everything all at once. It's like fop
and it hurts your head. You get a headache from it.
A three seventy five is like it's still kicking when
you're like walking away. It's like, so it's not that bad.

(01:12:41):
I don't like the pop getting recoil. I don't mind
a good long, slow push.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
I didn't know that was like a different experience.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it's a it's a did you just bother me?

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Probably not as bad as shooting a big, great, big
turkey load out of a shotgun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
What I did shoot? What I did shoot in both
of us. Shot was the the old game scouts AK? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
He let him shoot his AK forty seven. Not many
guys in a government uniform with a machine gun or
gona let you shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
It'd be like going up to a game boarding to
be like, hey, can I pop off a couple of
rounds with that? If you look at it? Like, was
it an old like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Russian AK? And where was that manufacturer? I can't remember
where it was said on there where it was built?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Probably China, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Remember it was Chinese built. I was dying to shoot it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Sounds like you didn't have to twist his army.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
The minute we asked, so, hey can we shoot that down? Listen,
Heston wants to burn through his home magazine no, which.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I'm like, not familiar with those older ak's. And from
my understanding that he had it on what like yeah,
semi auto. I didn't know what the letters meant, but
I was like, that doesn't make any sense. There's like
a there's like an auto is there's an auto. It's
like a sector switch and there's auto and like send

(01:14:04):
my auto and then safe mmm. And he, from my
understanding he had it on I was. I was very confused,
and when I pulled the trigger more than one round
went off. I know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I'm like, because he's showed me the selector, and I
remember I can't remember the details. Memory intuitive and like
that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, but then I didn't
seth went to crack a round off and caught.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
A few free You know what, I I have this
thing in my head and I don't know if I
made it up or if I actually read it. But
there's a thing where Collash and a CoV said he
regretted making that weapon really because it was so responsible
for so many people dying. But I can't like, I
might be making that up, but I think I remember

(01:14:48):
reading him like saying he had to regret for developing
that weapon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Mighty fine weapon though.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah he did good staring at that gun that whole trip.
I was dying to shoe.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
That wasn't a day one request he made last day?

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Okay, I should ask the first day Yeah, last day request.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
And you know what's funny about that dude, that AK
forty seven, Like he's always way in the back, but
he's he's like the game warden. So he comes with
you because he's out checking for poachers and stuff. But
he's always way in the back. But when you're trailing
those Kate Buffalo and you get into real thick stuff,
he'd he'd be like, if you look at him back there,

(01:15:29):
he'd be like, already he's got like his finger up
above the trigger guard because he's been like. What I
later learned is he was there, uh, when Roger Hurt
got stopped by Kate Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
That was the dude that was with him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
And so they were saying that after he got after
he witnessed someone get stomped, he started getting real like
ready for it. He was like when stuff was gonna
hit the fan. He was always tuned in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
He was like this pilot I done liked flying bad weather.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Yep, he was tuned in because he'd seen how things
can go uh, how things can go south in a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Did did he shoot that buffalo at all when that
went down?

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
He must not have, because they were saying to me,
as far as they knew it might still be alive.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Oh, they showed us where it happened. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
What were the details of it? Did that thing that
thing had around in it when he went after the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
No, it had been mauled by a lion, whoa, so
it was already wounded. So they just happened to be
They were stalking something else and came around a big
turmitarium or like a big termite mound with a bunch
of trees growing out of it, and they were stalking
something else and just freak chance, it was a wounded
Kate Buffalo. Yeah, it was scratched up by a lion

(01:16:45):
and he came out and stomped him. It was actually
going for the woman, a woman, but he got out
in front of it and he got he took the
brunt of it, busted him up good, and we talked
about it in the previous show. I'm not gonna get
into it now, but this year two Americans have been
killed by Kate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Buffalo in Africa.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
For most of the things you're hunting over there, is
their nose their top defense or do they rely on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Kate Buffalo's nose? A lot of that stuff is because
a lot of that stuff goes like like a lot
of this stuff goes into the thickest stuff. It goes
where they can't see it, can't see ten inches, they're
laying where they can't see anything. They couldn't see me
to you where they're laying.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
What was the like difficulty scale for warthogs, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
How finding a big one?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
But like were they wary? Like where they very like challenging.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Well, we eventually found one that was far enough away
where it wasn't aware and you could stalk it. But yeah,
you see a lot of them. They just boogie, they're
already way aware of you and they're just gone. But
eventually a guy one of this, a Kenyan dude, George,
he saw one probably three hundred yards away, which is

(01:17:54):
a rarity. And then you're able to actually get the
wind and stalk it and then it's not a problem,
and then it's like stalking a regular hog.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I got one more question about it, and then that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
We're gonna wrap up so people can go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
How was it for you, Like, was it hard for
you to like kind of step back and let other
people kind of steer the hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
No, because they're so competent and they know so much stuff.
It was like very I loved it. Yeah, I was
learning tons of stuff that was not a hard part.
No part of me wanted to be like, I'll take
charge from here because I have no idea what's going on. No,
but I hear some people being there were there were
moments when there were moments in stalking I would have

(01:18:40):
done something different. There were moments in stalking when I
was like, I don't really like that, but you guys
know what's upright, you know? But no, for the most part,
you'd have to spend years there before you had any
business saying like, hey, why don't we try, you know,
because you're kind of like, hey, having been not never
even seen one of these things before, here's my suggest
you know. It's like, it's just you'd have to spend

(01:19:02):
years there before you had any right to go be
like I think we should go left and not left
and not right. But stalking, there were things that that
in stalking, there were things that that I felt like
didn't because I do a lot of stalking, they do
a lot of tracking. But when it came to like
seeing something and putting the slip on it, there were

(01:19:22):
things and I was like, man, I don't know, that
does make a ton of sense to me, But sure,
you know, but sure, but I'm looking forward to get
like I can't wait to see the episodes. Man, they're
gonna be great. Seth will turn them off because he
has since he was a little child.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I'll watch him. I watch him so I can actually
see what happened. I was viewing time. He was licking
dust off his lips.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
You got some stuff getting shipped back.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Here, man, I don't know when I'll see it, but
I do. I got a big chunk of Kate Buffalo,
big square. Kate Buffalo hided the Krin wanted to keep.
She couldn't believe he weren't keeping them. And then she
had the brilliant idea to save a big basically girdled
that buffalo so like if you picture like from behind
the front shoulder to the front hand. We girdled it
belly to belly. And save this big square. We're gonna

(01:20:15):
have some belts and ship made out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Do you save the sack off of it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Save the ab a dirt dirt already conned me out
of the sack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Oh, what's his plan?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
He wants it to be a sack. It's like a
little marble bag, big marble. It's a nutsack the size
of a crown royal sack. I told him, I said,
I think you should keep all your dipping there, like
instead of the little tins, dump all the tins into
that nutsack and have a big nutsack full of the
dip pouch.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
You could have made your powder bag out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I gave it away. Yep, I do that. I'd find
I do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
And then all the time, all the time, I gave
away my red stag from New Zealand, I gave away
my Himalayan tar rug. Yeah, all time. It's a terrible habit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Then lay it. I'm like son of a gun.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
But you got some skulls coming back to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I'm not giving that stuff away, but we're gonna get
that big hunk of hide, that big hunk of Cape
buffalo hide, and anybody that wants can get a belt
off that or whatever. Then I got that sable, I
got the the sable and the roane nose to tail,
hoofed of withers. I don't know what I'm gonna do

(01:21:27):
with them, rug them out, I don't know, haven't decided,
haven't decided. If you know, I shouldn't say this, but
if someone out there just really needs a roan or
a sable full skin to because there's their Cape got
ruined or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
I don't know, let me know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Probably not when it season thirteen out, I don't know
now now really.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Oh, it's right now. Okay, stop listening to the show.
Stop listening to the show and go watch. Dude, what
are you sitting here?

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
For?

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
People? Where do we watch it? YouTube's go around on
YouTube and watch. It's on the tube.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Yeah, why would you be listening to this and you
could be watching that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Is it on Outdoor Channel Sportsmans Channel Monday nights.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Yep, it'll be on all of our you know, all
of our digital channels outdoors Yeah, Outdoor Channel, Sportsman Channel
October twenty, dig in, don't look like it. It's a
little warm for October twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
I know where I'm gonna be October twenty too, Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
All right, thanks for joining everybody,

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