Ep. 804: Santa (!) and the World Record Rock Skipper | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Seth Morris, and Randall Williams don their Christmas Spirit in hopes of a visit from St. Nick, interview Kurt Steiner, who holds the record for most consecutive skips with a single rock throw, and bring back some Gear Talk.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Smell off.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast. Welcome to

(00:27):
Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time, that's
one pm for our friends in Machias, Maine, on Thursday,
December eleven, and we're live for Meet Eater, HQ and Bozeman.
I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Seth Randall was
supposed to be here, but for some reason he had
to bail. It was a good reason. Now on today's show,
we'll interview Kurt Steiner, the man who holds the world

(00:50):
record for skipping a rock eighty eight times, and we'll
have gear Talk, where Seth and I review hunting and
fishing products. But first, Seth, I just the biggest white
tail in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Oh I know, I know it. I when I got that.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I love when my friends send me deer pictures, but
your yours, your picture was the best one I got
all year old. I was just like overrun with with joy.
Good when you send me that.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm tickled. I'm tickled.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
He also like the biggest white tailed deer of most
people's lifetimes, not just yours.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Like that's a really big deer.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Uh huh yeah, yeah. For some reason, we have Ryan
Callahan brogaining. Max Barton also in the room.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You introduced us at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
He didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
He actually specifically said we will not be acknowledging you
Christmas everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Uh, I was in the Golden Triangle of Illinois. That's
Pike County, Adams County, Brown County. Those counties are second, third,
and tenth in Illinois for boone and crocket whitetail entries U.
And it's just like if you got to play Sims
or play God with with the earth and be like,
I'm gonna make the best white tail ground I can fathom. Yep,
that's what you would get in the Golden Triangle. It's

(02:05):
just like the perfect mix of timber and egg. And
since the invention of Outdoor Magazine Outdoor TV, the Golden
Triangle has been a place on a map that the
whitetail hunters fantasized about. Oh yeah, I'd put it with
like you know, like Buffalo County, Illinois, the Milk River
in Montana, yep, South Texas, South Iowa, the bread Basket
of Saskatchewan. You know, it's just like notorious is all

(02:27):
those places for like big giant white tail bucks.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, it's like it's like what Nashville is for country
music exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah, that's a good analogy.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
So my buddy invited me out to hunt his farm
this year. It was like the most excited I've been
about a hunt in twenty twenty five. And going into
the hunt, I had told my buddy this, I was like,
my anticipation is so high that there's no possible way
it can meet my expectations. Yeah, like I'm just I'm
expecting too much at this point. And then the biggest

(02:57):
buck on the farm showed up.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
So did you did you go into this did you
know did you have like trail cam pictures of the
deer that you could potentially be seen there.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, my landowner buddy was aware of like four or
five bucks they thought that were like five plus years old. Uh,
this this was the biggest buck of them all. They
had three years of history with him, when he was
a three year old, a four year old, and this
year five year old. They had seen him during archery
season in October, never gave him a shot, and then
he disappeared at the end of October. They didn't see

(03:28):
him again. They didn't get any trailcam photos of him. Right,
So this landowner was hunting this deer he was hunting. Yes,
they tried to kill him. Didn't happen this year, but
then December old around and they got like eight inches
of snow spencer.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Up on the TV, right, we have a picture of him.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
He's a mainframe five by five, but he's got a
lot of junk. I think he has nineteen scorable points.
A lot of it is around his bases that are
hard to appreciate.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You just think you're kind of guessing he's got nineteen.
He didn't look at him that hard.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, he's got stuff going on around his bases that
are like crawling across into his hide, and some of
it's going to be close to that inch. I haven't
put a tape measure on him yet, but I think
it'll come out to nineteen points. And if you look,
I've got sheds here of the buck he's got like
they're not really dirty sheds, but it's called a dirty
shed when they break off some of their pedical with it,

(04:28):
and typically that means they're gonna throw a funky rack
when you have a dirty shed. In this book, he
has a few dirty sheds. His three year old sheds
were dirty, His four year old sheds were kind of dirty,
and so then you know you're going to get some
abnormal points. So you're talking about those little Bumpser at
the white stuff on the bottom. Yeah, that's like part
of his skull that's coming with, which is an ideal

(04:49):
for a deer they want to make a nice clean
breakof seems pretty ideal for him. Ideal for him. Yeah,
it was working out. So he was a mainframe five
by five, uh, nineteen points. Very exciting.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
This landowner that that you got this little connection with.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Is this just a great guy.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's a jaw tag. But it's like, you know, the
Golden Triangle is mostly private land and so it's not
that competitive for a non resident god to be able
to go there and hunt. Yeah, the buck disappeared for
five weeks, showed back up. They had like eight inches
of snow the week before I got there, and they
were saying, it's been a very long time since the
second gun season, which was what I was there for,

(05:32):
had that much snow on the ground. So it just
worked out perfect where it made you show up in
some places real heavy and disappear from others, and it
just happened that they had the right soybeans to pull
in the box.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
That's fantastic one perfect crazy there.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
Well, what's this that?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Here's something?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
You look giddy?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Something foot in the Meat Eater studio.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I feel like just shadowed St.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Clause Sannah.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
I wasn't rudy for that.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
She was not ready. Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, Santa Claus
has just stepped into the Meat Eater podcast studio.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
He's got a big sack full.

Speaker 7 (06:17):
Of gifts a little boys and girls.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
How are you doing?

Speaker 7 (06:25):
I'm doing very well, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Where you park the reindeer?

Speaker 7 (06:30):
Old? They're outside?

Speaker 6 (06:31):
No they're not.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Don't don't be a grinch there, Brody, I'm just telling truth. Buddy,
you're full of humbug.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That is observed that you have a giant bag with you.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
I do, I do, I cannot swing by my favorite
Thursday live podcast airs at eleven Mountain time. Just spread
a little Christmas cheer.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Perfect okay, And and now it also appears that Cal
Brody and Max have showed up.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Magic nice.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You sound like Daniel d Lewis from There Will be Blood.
Give me the.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
Bloody a false profet Seth. Someone told me whose gift
this was, and I've forgotten it already.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, does this go?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
That's for Bill the engineer.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Bill the engineers.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Have to.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
There's a series of gifts for Seth Morris that are
numbered in this way.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Number one, you're supposed, my goodness.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Okay, this is for Spencer Newhart.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, seen that? What is it?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Good?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's good and cold?

Speaker 7 (07:57):
Maxwell. I shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
What else?

Speaker 7 (08:04):
Ryan Callahan, n.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Oh, looks like a man wrapped that present.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Brody doesn't have anything.

Speaker 7 (08:12):
No to Brody Anderson.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
All right, same wrapping paper as cows.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
This is a topper where that the Williams household borrowed
from you.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Okay, it may have been very specific that I wanted
it back.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
Randy's not here, but I'll open that perfect gifts?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Is that everything? Okay? I think?

Speaker 7 (08:37):
So? Oh wait, he's done. I also have a lot
of candy canes and bottles of fireball.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Ten baby bottles of fireball whiskey have just been jumped
out of You need more?

Speaker 7 (08:51):
I have more. There's a lot of it at my house,
and I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I can't believe that that Fireball keeps saying a deeper host.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I want to gage you. Now.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
What doesn't Santa like about Fireball? That's kind of an upset.
I assume that'd be right in his wheelhouse. It's too sweet,
too sweet.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
I drink it too fast.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
You need to go ice fishing, well, Santa.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Last year Santa went one minute fishing on our show.
I don't think he was successful.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
We have great fishing weather today we do. It's nearly
sixty degrees.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Ice fishing weather.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
No, no, sorry, Okay, Santa has handed out the gifts.
Let's start over with fill the engineer, Phil.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
It's open up.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
Sure, it looks like the internet at Meat Eater h
Q dropped up for a secure But I think Sanna
Santa were lying.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Cha.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Let us know, let us know if the if the
stream's back, I believe it is.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Yeah, it looks good.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Okay, I'm opening my gift now. It's on the floor
since it's a little bit large to doing my lap.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
People are asking if you've been drinking already.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
No, not yet, not yet.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Dry commute back to Phil.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
You're supposed to read that whole card, the whole card.
You want me to read it live on air here, Yes, okay,
we go. It says, because you mean so much at
Christmas and.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Always it's kind of romantic.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
I'm feeling things. The holiday season isn't really about gifts
and decorations. It's about reaching out to the people who
mean the most to us and letting them know how
much we care. So remove wrap before placing an envelope
the car on the car and whoever gave you this gift.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
I mean they were kind enough not to write in
the card, so you can read gift.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
That very conscious, thoughtful.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
There's a guy who cares about the environment.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
You're such a special person and you're you're wished every
little happiness long after the holidays are over. Merry Christmas. Wow,
Thank you to my secret Santa, whoever they may be pt.
Thanks for keeping it all together. FYI, extra lean beef
is seven Merry Christmas cow PS. Well yeah, am I

(11:23):
supposed to read that?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Go ahead, you can read the first part of the PS.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Okay, with only the first part.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
I'm gifting you of BHA family membership cow for anything better,
so much. But that's not all. There's also a bottle
of some kind m oh here we are Sailor Jerry
Spice drum.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
Oh, the sailor in yourself.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
That was the go to for my rum and cokes
back in college. Thank you so much. Cold and look
at this we've got. We've got frozen beef. And I'm
glad that I now know the exact value you at least.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
No ground out ground four pounds?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
How much money I'm saving?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yes, if you were to go.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Buying ground out, probably more than B twenty bucks a pounds.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
Right right?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I just that's context. Some people need context that.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
It's not the money, Phil, that's right, secrets, Thank you
so much, it's the thought that counts.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
This will all go to givety gifts sake.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Phil, I think we've lost our bed of music. Oh yeah, we'll.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Bring it back. Sorry, I've been busy opening.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
How did you pick Sailor Jerry's when you were looking
at the realm shelf.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
It's it's because Phil and I had a conversation a
long time ago about like.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Because there's like scary high end realms.

Speaker 8 (12:48):
But I believe that the tiki crowd feels like Sailor
Jerry and Captain Morgan are totally fine for most things.
Was that correct for I'd say for for mixing cocktail
like like like like a like into a soda mixer.
But if you're gonna make it my tie, I mean honestly, Cal,

(13:08):
sailor Jerry's and and and uh and yeah, that's that's
a that's that's a cardinal sin. But I love Sailor
Jerrys and I'll use it.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Phil. Have you ever tried Mount Gay. That's some good
stuff I have.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, they got a lot of.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
What a gift?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay, well done, Cal. That's that's fun for you, Phil, Max,
you're up next up.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It's supposed to be a little something for everybody.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Job.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I suck at rapping.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
What do we got there? Maxwell?

Speaker 7 (13:43):
Is this a puzzle?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Puzzle? Him?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Itzed me? Phil?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
That?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Was me?

Speaker 5 (13:54):
That's a game that's a that's a very easy to
learn board game called Cascadia where you create wildlife, corridor
and habitats for different.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
When I saw that game existed, I was pissed off.
I didn't come up with that. Yeah, isn't this very
similar to like what's that game with the square risk you're.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
Talking about catam I'd say it's it's easier than pick
up and play, which is.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Which is why.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Many fun nights to come at the bar house.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Board game season.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's great for Maxwell. Next up, Brody up, who's handed
a fireball to Max. He's now his gift. Also a
swell gift wrapping job here.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
Someone said Santa's language is going to demonetize this video.
I hope the suits don't notice.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
They definitely will don't.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
What do we got over there, Brody?

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Wow, some.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Ladies glass bug bug like it, jig heads.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
My kids were just asking about ice fish and I
was like, man, it's gonna be a while, but we'll
get those news this year.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Those really glasses.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Oh yeah, No, I didn't need the sex.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Look they're just round.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Look at the shape of them.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
For christ Si, So Brody got a three pack of
readers from the drug store and some ice fishing lures.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
That's a great present.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, I scattered these things everywhere.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's what I was thinking when I when I picked
those up for you, Brody, that uh, just leave the people.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
You're gonna need to wear those to.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Tie I know, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And you just leave those things everywhere. So that's great.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Next up. We have Ryan Callahan who had the same
wrapping paper as Brodie's.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Gift, because we all used the office wrapping.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Paper, it appears. So what do we have there? Caw CEOs.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
Suit for a suit.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
That's great America.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, he has a video so I can learn how
to time.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's great with some bald eagles on it.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Got some warm up juice. Nice?

Speaker 4 (16:30):
And what's this one say?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
He gets a shirt?

Speaker 7 (16:37):
I didn't mean sorry, I'm late.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I didn't want to come.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Who do you think gave that to you? Cal?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I have so many occasions where this is.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
He would have borne it today, he already had it.
Who do you think gave that to you?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
People who pay attention?

Speaker 7 (17:03):
Okay, I'll give you a hint. That tie used to
belong to my father in law. Okay, very good, Wow
a novelty tie.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Give me an example of a place he would wear
that tie to work? Work? Very good. That'll that'll work
well for the future. CEO of VHA, thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I am now going to open my gift, my gift
which was wrapped in a meat Eater Trivia Collector's edition
animal box.

Speaker 7 (17:38):
Oh oh, all right.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
We have some halbit labeled twenty twenty five in here.
That is great. I do not have any halbit in
a freezer, nor have you got a nice gift twenty
twenty five that is phenomenal. I had to line up
the gift exchange so I know this came from Brody,
and Brody even warned me. He said, you drew the

(18:01):
short straw by having by me or by Brody having
my name. But that is a phenomenal gift.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
I gotta tell you, Spencer, I was really torn about
giving that back.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
What do you think I should do with this? King salmon?
Give me a recommendation. Well, you're gonna let your wife
eat it with you or she's uninterested in Is that right?
That's right? This is gonna be for me. This is
just gonna be for me. I think I should cook
that very simply. You could grill it, you know, butter lemon.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Yeah, don't overdo it.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
As you said, don't ever do that.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Don't overdo it. Good advice, Brody. That is a wonderful gift.
That's well done, very efficient. Next up we have Seth
Now who has how many gifts are in front of you?

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Someone must have been a very good boy.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
They're numbered so I gotta okay, I assume that you
should start with number one. It looks like, all right,
here we go. This one is wrapped like as though
a candy, maybe giant piece of candy. Sure a baseball
bat would fit in there.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
What could this be wrapped in? Butcher paper, carrot?

Speaker 7 (19:16):
My dogs have the same thing.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Okay, I wouldn't. I wouldn't recognize that as a dog toy?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Giant dog? That's the size of your dog. The thing
is that's a Boon and Crockett Carr your dog?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Do your dogs like it? Will my dog like it?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Santa? What do your dog like that?

Speaker 7 (19:41):
No, they're scared of any toy that squeaks.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Now he's got a T shirt.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
That's my shirt. That's shirt? What what the hell? No
arms from my own house. This is cultural appropriate.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Seth is now open. There's a T shirt.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
This isn't a gun.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
These are an ape on the front and the other
is a lebron James jersey. Now he's on the gift
number three.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
That's not yours, Randall, this is mine, It is mine.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh look at these A new pair of shoes had
been warning.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's very well used.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
Shoes that looks familiar. These are all my most treasured possessions. Seth.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I didn't know you're going to start playing basketball. That
is a great shirt.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
I was just wearing that the other day.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, that's that's kind of weird you would give him
all this stuff? Man?

Speaker 7 (20:51):
Did you give all this to me?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (20:54):
No, I don't know how this got here.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
You better talk to missus Clas.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Jackson.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Since Randall's not here, you might want to consider regifting those.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Jackson Hayes of the Los Angeles Lakers gave me a
fist bump and said, sweet Jersey Bra, that's my legit.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Very good, lord, legit your hands off now it belongs
to Seth Son of them. That is set story.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
Now, I'm bewildered by this. This is a horrible prank.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
How about you opened up Randall's gift now they're Santa.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Okay, he's gonna need a gift card to pay for
all the stuff that he's lost.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Again. We have a dog toy, jersey, a T shirt,
and a pair of sneakers. This is a gift card
to d og d o g Oh, that's a pet place,
a pet place.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
That's good. I have three Randall has three pets and
they're all very needy, so he will be most appreciative
of this.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Uh huh, Santa, let's try to solve the crime of
how these gifts wound up in Seth's possession. What do
you think happened here?

Speaker 7 (22:14):
My wife was in on it.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
I know that.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
But also we don't lock our house very often.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, let's not look on it.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
We caught that film.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I think your full name is on your land these shoes?
Does My dog hates this toy?

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Sy hates that shirt, but I didn't know that she
didn't like these shirts. I was literally wearing this just
the other day. It's from the San Diego Zoom and
it made her juvenile.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Orangutand okay, so you've accused Cal with it. Was not Cal.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
I only know. I only think of Cal because he
often is in and out out of my home.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Was not Cal?

Speaker 7 (23:03):
Who else? Well, I suppose anybody could have slid into
her d MS.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
On who's the next suspect?

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Fill the engine?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
It was not filled. It's like he's just lashing out.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
Yeah, Spencer, it.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Was Yeah, I slid into in these dms.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, I did. I actually did. Max was so proud
of this idea. He hasn't done a thing at work
all week, just preparing this.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
To impressed that I recognized this toy and you.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Said it right away.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh my dogs have the same toy.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Missus Klaus gets lonely this time.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Ye watch your dirty mouth. Oh I'm having so much
I didn't wear much of a layer under this suit
because it was so warm last year. But I'm having
so much fun sweating again.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yes, Max and Sydney, you guys had to meet up
in town, I imagine this week.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
Oh that's fun.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Very good. Now we have a real gift here for Seth.
Just pull that bow.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
This is our final gift of the day.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
That's I hope it's something you treasure, someone's taken out
of your home, your knowledge, apple butter.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Butter. Okay, that's great.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh some salsa m m okay, spicy restaurant style, there
you go, my favorite?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Your favorite? Wow?

Speaker 7 (24:42):
Okay, you like restaurant style.

Speaker 9 (24:43):
I do.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Some big old cook cookies. Oh my, who's this from?
That's for me?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
When when pantry last night made you some cookies and
trying to get good at baking a few things, made
some cookies and then uh, it's.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Got some salt on there.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's right, you can share.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
That makes her a good cookie.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Seth also has a pregnant wife at home, so maybe
we got to leave one for her as well. Leave
one sorry, no milk, Sanna. Yeah, these are fantastical, thank you.
I'm just getting into baking. I'm trying to be like
not a one trick pony, but like a three trick pony.
So I want to learn how to make cookies first,
and then you know, I think I'm gonna move on
to banana bread soon. The apple butter that was made

(25:35):
with apples I found on my Idaho deer hunt this
year off from the mountains. I made that, and I
made the sauce, the salta ingredients those are just from
from Albertson's. The cookies though, the eggs came from my neighbor,
so some Gallatin Valley eggs there for you.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So did you make the labels?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
My wife did. That's being married to a graphic designer.
You even got there, made the labels for it, the
ingredients on it. That's right, then, you know, in case
you're your allergic to anything, very good guest.

Speaker 8 (26:09):
This year, s everybody did grating from Santa.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Now, I'm really the mood. This was a terrible mistake.
It doesn't breathe.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, Santa Randall didn't show up today, if you wouldn't
mind filling in for him, Yeah, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
This, Santa.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Your leatherman jacket from high school is upstairs in my office.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Oh ship, that one's awesome too.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
This jersey interestingly enough, has several typos on the back.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh, very interesting.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
There's an extra digit under one of Lebron's Uh oh,
where's that? I'll find it.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, good stuff from Santa Claus.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
Yes, yes, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
That is the twenty five med Eater Radio gift.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
So it says he won the most valuable player in
the year two zero zero one zero, which, as we
all know, was in the distant future.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's right, Santa.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Will you still be around them?

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (27:13):
I wasn't sure if there was like a Santa Claus
ten Allen situation where someone would take your place.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
No, there's no plan for succession in my line.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, Media radio will still be going on as well,
that's right. Oh, and Santa is gonna stick around for
the rest of the show.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Yes, I will do. Thanks for joining us for this holiday.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yee, Brody, Maxwell and Call are going to disappear, Phil,
thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Oh yes, of course, fireball to be gone when I
check in later.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, we'll work on it. We'll work on it, all right,
Thank you boy, Christmas, We will see you later. All right,
let's take a break for some listener feedback. Goodness, what's
the chat have to say?

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Okay, a Hunter says, ask Santa if he thinks anybody
is gonna stop the thunder this year?

Speaker 7 (28:06):
The two damn good. But if recent NBA history tells
it's anything, it's that uh Shay gilges Alexander will rupt
her as a Chilleres tendon because that's what happens to
the best players in the league.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Very good, Well, nicolea Jokic is the best player in
the league. Oh sure, so you take that back. Oh
the Nuggets are gonna stop Okay, see this year, that's
what's gonna happen there, M Hunter's hut.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Jonathan Wahlberg asks, what is your recommendation for processing dear shanks,
specifically for Asbuko, I struggle to make clean cuts through
the bone when thought and don't have a band saw
to use when frozen sALS all.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I use sALS all.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Cut through the meat that you can with a knife
and then do the rest of it with the sALS
all and you'll be just fine.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Or go to a butcher and ask if they can
band saw it there.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
You go, like the salls all too, specifically the ones
that you can just like you grab bond to the
kind of the top of it. M h. It's easier
to hold that one that kind and and then be
able to hold the shank too and just zip through them.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know, pretty quickly if you have the right blade
on your saws all when you're going through bone.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
And you can go on Amazon two or wherever butcher
products are sold and buy stainless steel saws all blades
specific for that.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Do they do they are they labeled like steel or
wood or do they say bone on them? I'm always
using ones that are labeled for wood or steel.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know, I just I just went on on I
think I got them on Amazon, and they're like specific
bone saw like butchering blades that to the tool chest.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
M you know.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Those are pretty much the only real substantive questions people
have been.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
Distracted And I would hope entertain one question.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Hopefully entertained chat maybe maybe brew up some questions for
Santa for the next time we check in with you.
If you want to know, if someone's on the knot
of your nice list, what Santa does in the off season.
Please shoot those questions over well and we'll address him
in about a half hour.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Oh, this one's very substantive. Seth Jones says he was
skeptical at the start of the D and D episode,
me and you both, Seth. He didn't really enjoy it though,
and would like to see more interesting comments. Seth, thanks
agating it.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, good stuff. We'll try to get more of that
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
Spencer, if you had to eat Randall, how would you
cook him?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, what do you think, Santa?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh, well done, well done?

Speaker 7 (30:32):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, he's an old ruddy buck. We probably got to
marinate him overnight. Go low and slow, not the hot
and fast kind of meat.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
And you're gonna have a lot of rendering to do afterwards.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Okay, that we'll sort that all out in the crap.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
How about one more, Spencer, because this one it's a
gun to deer season.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Does that mean something.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
It means they have multiple gun seasons and this is
number two.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Gun beer I gotcha this week in Iowa and the
daily Heiser three and one degrees. You think it's worth
my time in the woods to go out or should
they wait until Monday when the heiser in the thirties.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Absolutely, that is the best time to go out, especially
if you have access to agriculture in Iowa. I assume
it's going to be beans or corn for you, even
if that field has been harvested already. The deer got
to eat every day. They're going to be out there.
They're going to pile into agriculture in your neighborhood. If
you have it, be out there, PMJ. I would be

(31:31):
very excited about those temperatures rather than pessimistic.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, and I wouldn't I wouldn't be shy about sitting
all day if you can, if you can handle.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
It, Yes, when it's very cold at the North Pole,
my friends are on their feet all day. If I
were trying to shoot them, that's when I'd go out.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Very good. And what cartridge would you take if you
were trying to shoot them?

Speaker 7 (31:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (31:53):
What census gun safe look like?

Speaker 7 (31:56):
I'm a traditionalist. As you know, I'm atritionalist. Frequently. If
I were to calm I herd, it would most likely
be with a thirty thirty.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, that is a tradition.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Wow, there's a lot of guts in reindeer, so you
know they're they're bigger animals. But you really don't need
to shoot them with a big magnum or anything. Just
get a nice expanding bullet and put it in the
front half.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
There you go. All right, we will do some more
listening questions at the end of the show.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Please, I'll try to pay more attention to this name
for Santa.

Speaker 7 (32:31):
All right.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Joining us on the line now is Kurt Steiner, the
man who holds the world record for skipping a rock
eighty eight times. Kurt, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Good to be here.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
First, first thing, Kurt, thank you. Take us back to
that day in twenty thirteen when you set the world record.
Where were you at and what was it about that
particular throw that made it the greatest throw of all time?

Speaker 6 (32:59):
Yeah? Well, can I give you a brief bit of
context here?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (33:03):
Please?

Speaker 9 (33:03):
I had actually I set the record originally in two
thousand and two, where I kind of introduced some new
power kind of attack methods to stone skipping, and that
held for five years, and a guy, a buddy of
mine since passed, but he took the record in two

(33:26):
thousand and seven.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
So then it was on.

Speaker 9 (33:29):
You know, we've been fighting each other for ten years,
kind of developing this whole sport really, and twenty thirteen
came and I've been saving stones probably for ten years,
wait for the day. Yeah, yeah, because you know, mother
nature never seems fit to like make exactly the right stone,
so you put it aside, you save it for tournament

(33:51):
or in this case, a record attempt, And so I
had about five hundred stones set aside, which was it
was enough for two attempts. The first one I kind
of blew early in twenty thirteen in July because I
didn't get a good camera angle on it.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
So September rolls around.

Speaker 9 (34:12):
Long story short, I was ready for a second attempt,
and so I had my wife put her up on
a bridge and so you could look down on the
stones and you could count the ripples much better, and
it was it was.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
It was a bit of a magical day. I won't lie.

Speaker 9 (34:33):
I kind of had things lined up for me I
had a bit of a tailwind, which helps, but I
also had a little bit of a low onshore kind
of ripple coming at me. So it was a good
combination for various technical reasons. And I just threw the
hell out of that stone.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
And you know, I went through. I probably threw one
hundred that day, and I narrowed it down to looking
at a frame by frame, finally sent it out and I,
you know, I had a group of counts between eighty
eight and ninety, so I just took the lowest one,
figuring that's kind of like everybody agrees on that. And

(35:15):
it's held up very good.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Wow, eighty eight skip throw. It's still the record to
this day. Now, you've been competing in stone skipping competitions
around the world for twenty five years. Explain to us
how these competitions are set up and how they differ
in the US versus Europe.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Right, Well, the US, yeah, oh oh okay, yeah, yeah,
I thought you lost me.

Speaker 9 (35:42):
In the US, we basically count skips and that's what
stone skipping is. In Europe, they actually count distance. They
measure the distance you throw and to distinguish what they
call it skimming. So I've been in both tournaments. I
went to UK in twenty eighteen and and I threw

(36:05):
three hundred and seventy three feet and it and that,
and that was at that time the longest recorded throw
of a natural stone. But then the next day, twenty
four hours later, Scottish guy came down and Dougie Isaac's
and threw four hundred feet. So so I'm still he

(36:26):
still got the record at four hundred there, but I'm
I still got the skip count, and I'm and I'm
and I'm well placed in the in the skimming category.
The other thing is the Japanese happened to also be
a bit of a hotspot, so it's kind of New England, US,
the British and then and then Japan and the Japanese

(36:49):
kind of combine everything and they just they have two
guys throw and decide they just judge who threw the
better rock on that throw, and they just kind of
go through that and a kind of round robin and
a best of three format, and eventually you know, they
spit it out a good winner. It's kind of a
combination of the esthetic appearance of it, distance, skip down,

(37:11):
all of it together, so they're all different flavors, and
we've all kind of cross pollinated each other over the
decades here, and and I kind of take you know,
I would take a little bit of pride in being
kind of pushing all that, sacrificing a lot of my
life to.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
Do, you know, playing playing you know that's great now,
even making the thing.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You know, you usually bring your own stones to competitions.
Where do you gather your rocks from?

Speaker 9 (37:38):
Yeah, I get about ninety percent of my stones from
the southeast coast of Lake Erie. I grew up in Erie,
you know, which is between Cleveland and Buffalo there and
the geology and the water, you know, the waves of
Lake Erie kind of combined and make a really good
skipping rock.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
That's where I grew up right there.

Speaker 9 (37:59):
Now, of course I'm living up on a mountain off
grid here in Apalachia, PA. And so I have to
drive three hours to get my rocks. I got all
the water in the world, but the stones are ship
you know. But uh, I'm going up to see my mom,
get some rocks, come back and have some fun. Uh Yeah,

(38:22):
And and uh, the the Scottish have a place up
in North Scotland with some really great slate, And there's
a place up in North Vermont with some really really
beautiful rocks, but I put.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
The ones I go to very accessible, and they're kind
of like number four on my World Best list, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So I got Lucky described for us the perfect rock.

Speaker 9 (38:51):
Uh, it kind of depends like that's like saying, what's
the perfect tool? You know, it's it's you got to
know what is it? What is it you're trying to do?
And then and then you look for those features in
the stone and and it takes many years of kind
of being able to imagine. Imagine if you were a
you know, I don't know, a pitcher or a bowler

(39:11):
or a hockey player or something, and every time you
went to take a whack at the thing or throw
the thing, it was a different size of different shape,
different weight, out of balance.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
You know.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
So so the skill is in learning how to look
through all the junk and find the one that's gonna
do what you want. And and so with that preface there,
what I would say is, in general, you're gonna want
something that's got a very flat bottom. You're gonna want

(39:40):
something that's kind of got a very smooth texture. Those
are kind of the obvious ones. Something to look for
is between the bottom side and the edge, that kind
of transition edge right here. What I would say is
that the flatter the water, the sharper that edge can be.
And so you there's a lot of experimentation, a lot

(40:04):
of trying this, seeing what happens, and then and then
adapting your next throw to that. And what I would
say though, is, you know, I generally throw four to
six ounces. Uh you know, we're throwing probably around seventy
miles an hour and maybe twenty five maybe twenty five

(40:27):
hundred or three thousand rpm.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
Right so.

Speaker 9 (40:31):
A distance thrower will back off the spin a little
bit and go for more velocity.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
You know, I spent like five years, you know, figuring
out like that kind of whip rate there.

Speaker 9 (40:44):
If you can see that where I'm pulling down to
the ground and then driving back up against my my
my body and then letting my hands snap out, and
that really generates some good spin and that and that
spin and turn with all the well kind of chop
the water kind of like a like maybe a hydroplane
boat propeller kind of you know, chopping at it, and

(41:05):
that adds up so uh so basically flat bottom kind
of a maybe a radius of curvature on that bottom
edge of maybe maybe an eighth of an inch. Uh,
you know, something about the size of your palm, maybe
four to five ounces.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Uh and and uh smooth.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
You know.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
The main thing is that bottom edge.

Speaker 9 (41:26):
You just can't have any jaggedness in it or it
will bite the water, just like like trying to run
a radio saw backwards.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Right.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
It's you need you need all the sharpness on your
the bottom edge of that stone to be kind of
feathering the water rather than biting into it.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
If you can understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Sure, Yeah, Kurt, you mentioned when you the day that
you threw the record there, you had some ripples in
the water.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Do you prefer that over flat calm or what do
you prefer there?

Speaker 6 (41:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (41:57):
Yeah, I mean I think of think of driving over
rumblestret right you're tired, gets some kind of a harmonic
there and uh and so you're you're kind of it's
the same kind of deal where if you're running over
the tops of just very regular ripples, it kind of
creates a like a stone's running over rumblestick strip. And uh,

(42:21):
the way I I mean I had some lucky waves
coming out. I say a wave, I mean I'm talking
like that much of a wave. That regular like one
foot intervals was just enough. But I also did kind
of a trick where I threw like a real deep
stone out and then if you wait just the right
amount of time ripples right, they kind of leave a

(42:43):
nice Uh.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Wow, that was a bit of a veteran trick there.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
Yeah, yeah, and uh so, uh yeah, Because if the
water's too flat, what will happen is that the stone
will eventually bog down, just like like a baby. You
throw a baseball and all bounce, bounce, bounce like a grounder.
But then it'll kind of roll on the ground. This
is just like having a bumpy ground. So it kind
of keeps kicking up, you know, and it keeps kicking

(43:10):
it up, and so you can get more count out
of it. But power, there's usually enough power in your
throat you get a lot of skips, but once it
bogs and sticks to the water, like guinness, basically will
only count. The basic rule for counting in a world
record is you have to have a distinct evidence of

(43:31):
the water stone contacting the water, and then in whatever
next frame at some point you have to show clear
water between each contact point. So if you have a
stone that hits the slides ten feet, even though it
might look like ten or twenty skips in there and
it comes out as like one, right, you have one

(43:52):
water intext And so the great thing about that throw
I didn't thirteen with. It had very distinct, separate skips.
And you know, and I won't lie, it's it's been
kind of hard on the old body here. I'm starting
to age out.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
I won't lie. I got some veteran tricks, but you know,
I've had i'd be like a rotator cuff surgery.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
And in.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Twenty eighteen when I threw that three seventy three, I.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
Ripped an oblique muscle and I blew up like a
football and that was That was a nasty one.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
On that one.

Speaker 9 (44:33):
But now now I need knee injections, you know, from
coming down hard, because if you imagine, it's like a
baseball player maybe starting real high, like maybe seven feet up,
but we're letting the stones leave our hand, like maybe
only a foot off the ground, but we're really coming

(44:53):
down into that shot, and it just you know, it
just it's it's it's it's it's you know, I took
this fun little thing and turned it into like this.
You know, it's great, brutal, brutal like sports science kind
of thing, and oh it's great. You know it's great.
Now it's uh, Kurt.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
We want to we want to be better at skipping
rocks ourselves. So please walk us through the perfect form.
What should our feet, our arms, our hands be doing
to make the best throw?

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Difficult question to answer. But what I can do is
give you some pointers.

Speaker 9 (45:31):
Right, I'm not going to tell you here's how you
throw a stone at thirty Yeah, you know, but but
as a rule of thumb, you.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Know you want to stand more.

Speaker 9 (45:40):
You don't want to You want to kind of stand
maybe forty five degrees almost perpendicular to the water, right
with your your your fallow foot to the water.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
But the main thing is you're gonna want to come
down at the water. Right. There's like, there's five things
to think about. I guess, Okay, the angle of the stone.

Speaker 9 (46:00):
Coming at the water, right, if you let go from
around your knees and hit the water maybe ten ten
twelve feet out, that's a good all round angle, right,
So figure leaving the stone leaving between your waist and
your knee and hitting you know, maybe ten feet out,

(46:22):
and then there's the tilt of the stone right the
front edge of the rock. You want something that's maybe
ten degrees ten to twenty degrees coming out of your hand.
And the rule there is if the stone bounces up
too high after that, after that first skip, then lower

(46:43):
the edge down right. So most people will throw with
too much of an angle, it will bounce high, and
the pros tend to throw with a real shallow angle,
so it comes down and then takes off horors only.
So if it bounces up lower that tilt come in,
you know, maybe like that. And then other things is

(47:04):
the spin. The spin is just gonna come out naturally,
but you are gonna want to hold the stone at
What I would say is if you look around the perimeter,
it's gonna have different like radii like it's it's got
different lengths depending on the irregularity of the rock.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
You want to grab. Grab the longest point on the rock,
like put it right in the middle of your pad
of your finger.

Speaker 9 (47:27):
Or your middle finger, which which I have developed also
for different throws, but but right in the middle of
that tip of the pad on the point down at
that angle. And then if you want a little throw
tip or secret when you when your rocks leaving your
hand right this direction, I usually throw it just a

(47:47):
little bit of right hand roll in it right like
the stone is spinning clockwise for a right handed person,
and I'm leaning that right edge, the outside edge, if
you will, of the stone towards the water a little
because as the stone flies through the air, if you notice,
it'll roll over, uh counterclockwise. So just kind of loading

(48:12):
that stone a tad with just maybe two degrees of
of roll pre roll, pre loading the stone. By the
time it hits the water, it'll come down a little
bit flatter, and it makes it a little more stable
and sticks a little better.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
It's it's it's subtle stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
A lot of physics. It sounds like it is it is,
and and it does come.

Speaker 9 (48:34):
Down a lot to the difference between a natural and
an artificial rock. I'm kind of a purest. Natural rocks
are much harder to uh master, so there's a little
bit more prestige, I think, yeah, and throwing what.

Speaker 6 (48:50):
I won't lie. I mean, we have especially in Europe
where they're they're just looking for distance numbers, right they
they they'll go, they'll make artificial rocks and they'll blast
the guy just last month threw a stone over five
hundred feet, as I understand it, using an artificial stone.

(49:10):
So that's that's all well and good.

Speaker 9 (49:12):
But uh, you know, Isaac's when he beat me, he
threw he threw four hundred with a natural rock, and
I consider that actually even more impressive because he went
out and dug it out of the ground.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Good, Yeah, all right, Well, good luck to your next competition. Kurt.
Congrats on that eighty eight skip world record throw. Thank
you for educating us, and thank you for joining us.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
Yeah, hey, thanks for the opportunity. Dudes cost some fun.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
Thank you, Kurt. I think that's the best interview I've
ever done. It's not often we have an interview where
I just sit there and watch and I'm fully entranced
by our guest. But that was that was something special.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Means a lot that you're saying, we Santa like you
just kind of feel like you're a part of the crew.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That's a good phil Do you you boys fashion yourself
good rock skippers?

Speaker 7 (50:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I you know, I grew up. It sounds like not
too far from from where.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
He's in the blood.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, and uh, you know, I never really hit the
banks of Lake Erie to find a good skipping wrong,
but I've skipped some rocks in my day.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
You've missed out on your calling. I guess I prefer
to find the biggest rock I can get one skip
out of.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That's that's awesome, that's my approach. See how badly you
can hurt your arm.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
That was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
That was That was good? All right.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Our next segment is gear talk.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
Turn it up, Phil.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Feet because he doesn't have a choice.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
Gear again?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Who the problem?

Speaker 5 (51:06):
The problem with that one is that Giannis isn't here today.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
That's brilliant and he rewrote that jingle. You must have
been feeling inspired.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
I give us a new version the true story Spencers.
I forgot that I had a jingle for that. Oh
talk jingles.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
Okay, Phil, I don't mean to tell you how to
do your job, but.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Put the one up.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I meant to do that one.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Thank you, Santa. This is you are a part of
the crew.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
All right, Yes, Sanka, please start us off with some
gear talk today. What do you got?

Speaker 7 (51:35):
Well, hold on one second.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Okay, he's uh, he's not fully prepared. Now he's grabbed
something from the shelf. I brought two items today, all right.
The first is this hat. Beautiful hat.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
Now folks out there might say, oh, he's plugging first
light again in first lighting, He's not. This is the
best hat I've ever worn outside. It combines an almost
full sized brim that you'd find on a baseball cap
with a very warm wool, much like the wool in
our heavy, heavyweight sweaters and things of that nature whose

(52:13):
names I'm not remembering, but I often wear two hats.
When I have two hats when I go outside. I'll
have a lightweight hat in late season that I can
hike in and get sweaty, and then I like to
have a heavy hat that I can put on when
I'm gonna get cold. The problem is I don't want

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to carry a third hat, so if I need a brim,
it often requires me to either bring a baseball cap
or bring a third hat, which I don't want to do.
So this is my first piece of gear.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Very good.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Where's this hat fit in your kit?

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (52:52):
This isn't performance kit. This is just a uniform ceremonial. Really,
the second is this Asiac tripod head.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Now I'm in the market for a new tripod, so
I'm going to need you to sell me on this one.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
I'd like to focus just on the head. I have
never never liked lightweight tripods very much.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
To me.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
They don't serve the purpose of a tripod, which is
stabilizing your gear, your glass, what have you. And I
find a panhead to be the most useful type of
head for glassing large areas because you can work your
way methodically across the landscape as opposed to a ball
head where you simply loosen it and tilted around, especially

(53:37):
when using a heavy pair of binoculars like osi IS
eighteen with a fifty six milimeter objective or a spotting scope,
and so this head. Typically you need a heavier pan head.
But this head, which I just got this year, is
extremely white, lightweight, it's extremely compact, and it allows a

(53:58):
much lighter tripod to function as with the same performance
as a heavier tripod. So I'm now a light tripod man, okay.
And it's all due to the quality of this head.
It has very fine adjustments, so you can have it
so you can use your nose to knock your binoculars
around if you've got your hands in your podusts. It

(54:19):
also locks up tight if you're in a windy environment
and trying to glass something far away. And I just
can't say enough about this pan head. It's just fabulous,
very good gear talk review.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
This year, on my South Dakota deer hunt, I had
pulled up to an approach for the property I was hunting.
I'd gotten out, I was glassing some deer off of
my spotter that I could see about a half mile away.
Messed around for a while, got in out of the truck,
looking at on X, looking through the spotter. Probably sat
there for like a half hour, went to leave, pull away,
and crunch. I run over my tripod with the spotting

(54:56):
scope on. It did not damage the spotting scope, luckily,
but I crushed my tripod that I've had for like
a decade and it was a crampy tripod. So now
like conveniently, I just get to get a new tripod.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
That's fantastic. Highly recommend this. Okay, Okay, I ran over
last year, did the same thing back in my truck
in the dark, lean my tripod and binos against the
truck while I fumbled for my keys, got in the
old truck and drove home and thought, damn, where is
those binos? Went back the next day. I didn't run

(55:28):
them over. Someone else did, but they were just toast.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
How do you know you didn't run them over?

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Well, you could see the trucks, okay. And I wouldn't
be happy with myself if I were responsible, So I
blame it on whoever pilled in there.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
For me there. Yeah, you gave it a quick death.
There was no suffering, all right, seth? What do you
got for gear? Talk?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
What I got is very inexpensive. In fact, it's free
and it's very effective. It's not the bino harness, which
this is a great bin of harness, a bitchf gear.
But it's what I keep in the side over here.
And this is you know, this has become I would say,
more and more popular over the years. But instead of
having one of them, like you know the little puffer
bottles for my wndicator, this is milk weed.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Oh, this is just natural material.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Send some of that into the act milkweed for us.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Look how I don't know if you can see this?
Look how it just floats?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Uh huh it's wonderful love milk weed.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
It just floats.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
You can watch that stuff float away for one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah, yeah, especially if you're in a tree stand where
you're elevated. You drop a piece of that, you can
see exactly where your sense going. And like you said,
I've sat there with my binoculars and watched it go
one hundred plus yards out from where I was sitting.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
You can, you can see exactly where your sen's blowing.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
You just keep some in the side pouch. You're buying
a harness, Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yep, keep it right there, and it's just always ready
to go when I need it. And it's very cheap
because it's natural, and I get it right off the landscape.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And I know Seth did this. I'm just reminding others.
But leave the seeds where you find them. Just take
the white stuff. What does it even call it? Zabname?
Just like that whatever that hair? Yeah, probably like substances.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Probably it's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
That way, you're not spread and milkweed all over the continent.
The best wendicater nature could give you good stuff? All right.
For gear talk today, I am revisiting the gas can dilemma.
Last month I had declared that I haven't used a
good gas can in a decade, and all the best
gas cans in my life came from my dad. That are,

(57:25):
you know, as old as I am. So I asked
folks to write in with gas cans that they really liked.
I got one hundred and sixty one emails from listeners
recommending gas cans, and there were four brands that were recommended,
far more than the others. Those four brands made up
sixty four percent of the emails I got. So here
they are starting at number four. That is the no

(57:47):
spill gas can. I had fourteen folks right in about
this one. A five gallon no spill can is thirty
nine dollars at Walmart. They claim to have one of
the fastest cans on the market. They say it drains
three gallons a minute, has a thumb controlled fuel spout
and view stripe. J Hatrup he said, if you're filling

(58:07):
something that's filled from the top, like a lawnmower or snowblower,
there is nothing better than a no spill can. These
are dead simple for top filling, but are basically worthless
for filling a vehicle. So that is the no spill can.
That is fourth place. Fourteen people that'd four of these
four of these. Number three is the sure Can. Nineteen

(58:30):
folks wrote in about this one five gallons Surecan is
eighty dollars at ACE. That is the most expensive one
from our list. It's got a spout at the bottom,
thumb control on the top. They say this design gives
you the best control when filling large machines. Ethan Lindquist
specifically said, I highly recommend sure Can gas cans. I
have six, and if never spilled. Best of all, you

(58:52):
can fill most things while standing up instead of bending over.
So that is the sure Can at number three, number two,
number two, we have the Tough Jug. Twenty one folks
wrote in recommending this five gallon Tough Jug is forty
two dollars from their website. They use an auto stop
technology that instantly shuts off flow when your container is full,

(59:16):
and has internal venting that helps prevent leaks. John Foley
he said, there's a reason these are on back order.
They're worth every penny. No leaks or glugs. I'm a
fire chief and after replacing my personal ones, every gas
can at the firehouse for small engines is now a
tough jug, so that is number two. Twenty one folks

(59:36):
recommended that number one. This had a dominating lead in
the polling from our listeners. Forty eight folks wrote in
recommending this one. Everybody seems to love this. It is
the VP Racing gas can. Five and a half gallon
VP Racing can is forty eight dollars at lows. They
have a wide grip and deluxe hose that won't spill.

(59:59):
Now here's the kicker. These are not sold as gas cans.
They explicitly say on their website that this is only
intended for non fuel products. Instead, they advertise them as
quote motorsport containers that can also pour auto fluids, bird seed, deercorn,
and water. But clearly most customers are putting gas in

(01:00:20):
them and by skirting some EPA regulations. They say the
best gas can on the market. Justin Bowman, he wrote
in to say VP Racing gas cans are by far
the best on the market. They'll make you feel like
you're pouring gas in two thousand and five, which is
about the strongest endorsement somebody could give to a gas can.

(01:00:42):
Forty eight folks wrote in recommending that about thirty three
percent of our audience said, that is an amazing gas
can from VP Race.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
I like how they use terminology to skirt the whole
gas can thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, it's not for fuel, very clear, it's not for fuel.
And somebody actually wrote in saying they live in one
of the states where you can't pump your own gas,
which I think New Jersey is Oregon used to be.
They said they've pulled up to a gas pump with
one of these VP Racing and the attendant will not
fill it, so you might run into that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
You may only use this bong for tobacco exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yes, very similar thing. VP Racing forty eight dollars can.
Everyone seems to love them. That is probably the can
I'm going to get. And there is your gas can
round up from Meat Eater listeners.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
That's great, that's great, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
All right, that brings us to the end of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Let's get some final feedback from the chat.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Oh, let's do it get these in folks. You have
a trapping question. I thought, since Seth was here, we
tackled it's specifically northern Minnesota trappings. Hear Seth Crack at
Washington asks what terrain slash features or terrain features would
you look out for during his first Northeast Minnesota bobcat

(01:01:58):
slash fisher trapping season, and it's got a two twenty
cubby set by the way, Uh have any insights, that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Good start fisher.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
So fisher trapping which I've done in Pennsylvania and I
actually caught one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I was trapped.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
I was trapping an area that was heavy with uh
some porcupines which they like to feed on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Oh I didn't know that about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah, they'll they can.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
They can somehow roll them over and get at them
without getting stuck from what they say. But and I,
you know, I had some trail cameras in that area
and was getting uh getting fishers on my trail cameras,
so I knew that they were there. So but like
terrain features, I was just in hard like hardwoods mixed

(01:02:49):
with some white pine that that just had like the
right forge for him. I guess, lots of pork pines,
lots of squirrels. So basically hardwood timber mixed with some conifers.
And then bobcats they like rocky stuff. So if there's

(01:03:09):
any sort of outcropping or you know, big boulders, they
like to work those edges. Or Steve and I actually
just call a bobcat yesterday here in Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Good one. Yeah, thirty three and a half pounds.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
Whoa. Yeah, that's a big kitty.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
That was river bottom, the thick brushy stuff that had
plenty of pheasants and birds around.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Here's some insight from someone who's never trapped a bobcat
or tried. So this doesn't mean anything, but I grew
up in southeastern South Dakota, a place that is pretty
marginal bobcat habitat. But when I would come across bobcats,
it was in my places that were also the best
spots for turkey hunting, whether it was because the turkeys
were there or the bobcats and the turkeys just liked

(01:03:59):
the exact same thing. I imagine northern Minnesota is not
crawling with turkeys. So maybe if you come across pheasants
like Seth said, or turkeys, which is something I observed
in eastern South Dakota, uh, maybe you're prime for a
bobcat there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yep, good luck.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Stephen Bullet says, please more, no more D and D episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Interesting couldn't it Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Steve Barnello didn't even try to come up with a
good burner for that. He just had his own first
name in there and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Hayden Fiddy. When rifle hunting for big game, do you
value full penetration or energy expansion of your bullet?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Santa?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
What do you think? Well?

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
I have a couple answers. I would go for a
bullet that creates a wider wound channel. And the way
I would begin thinking about projectile selection is I would
find whatever you're looking for, figure out what the minimum

(01:05:01):
terminal velocity you need to make that bullet expand as
fully as it can, and then determine which cartridge is
going to launch that bullet at that speed to get
to the given range that you'd like. I think you
want big wounds. Wounds are what kill. Energy doesn't kill.
Big wounds kill full penetration. I think there aren't very

(01:05:23):
many bullets that you don't have to worry about penetration.
So that's a rambling answer which sort of skirted around
your question. But I like a bullet that upsets violently,
and I'm not too worried about shooting through you know,
four feet of wood. It's just bones and skin and muscle.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
In Africa, when Steve was buffalo hunting, the first the
first round in the magazine, I guess the first round
that would come out of the magazine was a bullet
that would expand well, and then the other ones behind
that were penetrating rounds. That way, the first boll went
in expanded, created that good wound channel, and then the

(01:06:03):
follow up shots you just keep shooting into interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
You don't have it shots anymore, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Do you know how deep you were penetrating those critters?

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I had no clue.

Speaker 7 (01:06:12):
It's all depends on the angle.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
So that's just that's for buffalo hunting in Africa. But
you know something else, No, I.

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Would just say. I would just say, I don't think
that energy is a good measure of a bullet's efficacy. Okay,
it's it's all about what that bullet mechanically does when
it hits an animal at a given speed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Good answer, santive? What else you got?

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
Phil Cliff is wondering if if Randall and phill are
going to release any footage from the Big Buck Hunter
World Championships. Yes, look out for it early next year.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
Q one that sounds like a fun little video.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
It'll be a fun little again. It's going to be
like a short thing. It's not going to be like
an episode of Meat Eater or with that production value.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
He's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Exactly I heard.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
I heard a rumor in the office that there's some
sick footage of.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Real spoil it. Santa very very good. Mark asks, what's
the worst injury each of you have endured during hunting
or fishing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Hmm I I And this was in twenty eighteen. I
was coming out of a tree stand one night in
South Dakota after a bowhunt in late October. My like
third to last step was not a step. It was
a tree branch that I had trimmed down to be
like six inches that I had put a lot of
faith in over the years, and that night it broke

(01:07:39):
and I fell, and it was a very shortfall, like
I landed on my feet, but on the way down
I hit a metal tree step that I had also
put in and it opened up my side and I
drove to the er. Yeah, they took some scans, UH,
stitched me up and I went on my way home.
And I was most devastated because one like I was

(01:08:01):
now going to worry my wife, who I'm always telling
like it's gonna be fine. I'm good, you know, like
it's I'm by myself, It's all gonna be whatever. But
then also the rut was coming up and I had
a rifle tag I was excited about, and I was like,
I'm gonna miss some rud haunts. About two weeks later,
I was back to hunting again, so it was all
it was all fine, and I still got that scar

(01:08:24):
seth worst injury.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I don't really have anything good cuts from knives and whatnot,
hooks in hands.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I I did something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I tweaked my knee this year when I was packing
out my bowl. I've kind of been suffering with that
ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
But I don't know. I don't know if i'd call
that an injury.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Santa O.

Speaker 7 (01:08:44):
Outside of the usual cuts, the first thing that comes
to mind is I was driving a jet boat that
was it had a poor design, very steep chimes, and
occasionally when you're power sliding it, it would grab and Uh,
I was coming around this big log We're at up

(01:09:04):
in Alaska, going full tilt, you know, and uh it
grabbed and I was thrown forward in the boat and
gave myself a concussion. We're pretty sure I didn't go
to a hospital, but I was pretty sick and nauseous
for the next day or so and hit my head
on the floor of the boat. YEP, I didn't like

(01:09:26):
that boat. We eventually, uh, we eventually put some floats
on the back to try to alleviate its handling characteristics
because again, the geometry of it was all off. But
I never really trusted that boat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Santa made it here today.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
Though, Yes, stung by bees too. I swell up quite
a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Three crank asks or says first, I've gotten two roadkilled
deer this year. If you guys get roadkilled, do you
treat it differently when processing? Santa? Do you snag roadkill
in the sled?

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
The only roadkill I've ever taken was a bus that
my dad hit driving home from work when I was
a senior in high school. I had a broken leg
at the time, so my buddy picked me up and
we went and the cop shot the deer in the
head because it wasn't dead yet, so then we euroed
that skull. But we took the deer to a processor

(01:10:16):
because I wasn't hunting that year. There's a man named Patterson.
He had a tattoo on his arm of a castle
with a dragon flying over sick and then he skinned
it up and he said it was too bruised to eat,
so he wouldn't accept it. So that's my roadkill story.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I hit a dell last year driving home from a
hunt in South Dakota, and that thing had too much
trauma as well to take most of the meat, so
I took I had the backstraps that took the tender
loins and then like a roast on the backhand. But
otherwise it was just like, you know, pretty well ruined

(01:10:52):
that you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Want to be eating that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
A lot of trauma, a lot of blood seth and
he rode kill in your day.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
M I don't think I've picked up a road killed deer.
I've picked up some roadkill fur bears and skin them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
That any different than one that was in your tramp?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
No, just I mean, you know, try to avoid picking
something up that's sure full of trauma. But no, I
don't dream different.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Phil one more.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
Okay, first, Phil, I've seen a few suggestions in the
chat that I've had. I've been over served today and
I'd just like to address that I haven't had anything
to drink yet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
He yet?

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just full of the Christmas spirit.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's intoxicating. Santa. What was the mascot at
your high school?

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
The Warriors?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
That's I thought you'd be a little bit more, you know. Theme.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Was it portrayed as like a Native American or well?

Speaker 7 (01:11:49):
Yes, but they changed it. They changed it in recent
years to fit more of a spartan theme, with a
with a gladiator type helmet with a nose shield and
a sore, and people were very upset about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Sure, yes, yes, that's a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
Marry much Warriors.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
Okay, last one this is from mister Hunterman sixty nine.
Santa is Brody on the Naughty List because he wins
more in trivia than Randall? Or is Spencer on the
Naughty List for asking all those fishing questions for number ten?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Good question.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
It's all about the questions for me. It's like playing golf.
You're really playing against yourself, trying to pick up a
stroke here and there on your opponent. But if the
course is shitty, there's not much you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
That's right, Santa, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 7 (01:12:32):
It's so much fun to be on radio live.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Mary Warman here too.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
I mean, yes, yes, itches tremendously. Yeah, No, I need
to get this off.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
You're about to be real busy here.

Speaker 7 (01:12:45):
Oh yes, yes, it's coming up quickly, and there's all
sorts of boys and girls all over the world who
know their gifts. So I better better sign off and
get back to the workshop. The elves are busy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Speaking of the holidays. We have some pre recorded episodes
for radio coming up. Send us your questions to radio
at the meadeater dot com so we can interject those
where the live chat normally participates a Radio at the
meadeater dot com send your questions our way very soon.
One last thing seth about that apple butter. I was
driving by a ranchers place. I had picked some apples

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that day while I was hunting on the mountain, and
then they had some beautiful apple trees in their driveway.
I swung in and asked for permission to pick their apples,
and they let me. So that's the first time I've
ever gotten apple hunting permission. And now I turned into
that apple's right, all right? See you back here next week,
same time and place. By now