Ep. 805: The Condo Butcher, Bison as Wildlife, and Other News

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lined up. Yanni's here, Yanni Chimani Latvian lover.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
What up? Randall Williams, You don't have any cut, doctor Randall?

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Brody's here, man that defies nicknames. There's no way to
encapsulate Brody handily with a rhyme or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
M h good, talk about a bunch of stuff from
the Rody Brody. Yeah, Grody Brody. That's good.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Yeah, that's very middle school I got.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
Well, that's the first thing that came to me. Give
me a little bit of time, might come up with
something better. Karen's also here.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I feel like nickname? What would you call it? Krinnm? Yeah?
Have you ever had a nickname?

Speaker 8 (02:21):
I have had a nickname. Maybe some people would be
offended by it. I got a nickname and I went
to when I was in middle school. No I know
you guys probably wouldn't be offended, but uh it was
Chew c h E. W went to a mean all
girls camp and some gals gave me that nickname because

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it's a combination of Chinese and Jew.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Can we go with like Chewyn?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
We call you Chewy because.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Because Chew, I thought it was going to be like
they didn't like the way.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
You ate yea Chew.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
I thought it was comment on your table man.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, no, it's just Chew. Is hard to like Chewy?
That's endearing?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah, just Chew.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
There's already a pretty famous Chewy nickname.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah. I like that Chewy All that's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I got a bunch of uh some some news stuff.
We're gonna touch on the NFL. We're gonna touch on
some political stuff.

Speaker 7 (03:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
We're gonna touch on some wildlife politics involving one of
my favorite animals, the American Buffalo. We're gonna touch on crossbow.
Is this cross Bowl?

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Love or hate?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Neutral?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
On crossbow. We're gonna talk about Billy the Kid in
the astext. We're gonna talk about I'll be your huckle
bearer or not. We're gonna talk about the Denver Police Department.
We're gonna talk about a guy who really needs to
just buck up. We're gonna talk about hunted advice for
a guy. We're talking about the implosion of the Sierra

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Club and a symptom of that or a cause of that.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah. First off, here's a funny story.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So Sunday, Saturday, I'm with my two younger kids, my
older kids at work and with my two little kids,
and we're going out trapping and we go into I'm
not gonna name the ca I'll tell.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
You guys, the coffee shop.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Later be like coffee shops around here, Like a designated
coffee shop is a soft place. Yes, they are soft places.
Like the most rugged thing that's gonna walk into.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
A coffee shop around here be like a fly fisherman.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Do you know what I'm saying, Well, hunters and loggers
also walk into coffee shop.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Is not the feeling you get.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And we go into a coffee shop and I'm getting
a feeling. I'm getting like a feeling from the person
that the gall.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
That works there.

Speaker 8 (04:51):
So it's like it's like going to a gas station
and getting coffee versus going to if.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
You're at a lucky Lil's at five o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
That's a car that's a hard place.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
The people that work there, not the dog un Lucky Litt's,
but like you know, the people that work there.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Place might do hard things.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
There's a place that you can get a macha or
a yakkiata.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Or yeah, when you go into a gas station, it's
a hard place for people to do hard things.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
When you go into a designated coffee.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Shop where you have to tell them what you want
and then go stand around while they make it, that's
a soft place.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It just is, Yanni, don't definitely advocate me.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
I'm just asking, like, if if they have a little
sign that gives their Wi Fi passwords, do.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
You feel like there's less or more judging that happens
at either one of those places judging.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
It's just a soft place for soft people, I know.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
But you're getting a vibe from her, so I'm wondering
if she's like.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
That's my story, but I'm just trying to set it up.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Okay, I thank you.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
You don't even know should we just start this is
why you invited me here or not?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
It is? No, you're doing a good job. Thank you.
You're doing. I'm sorry, you're doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I'm getting soft vibes. At the coffee shop. I'm with
my two little kids. She's making the drinks. They want
hot chocolates, She's making them. She says to my kids,
what you guys got going on today? My daughter says,
trapping like watching her for some sign, you know, I mean,

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like some sign. And this is all happening so fast.
In my head, I'm watching for some sign of like
what condemnation, clarification and confusion? Nothing, nothing, And I'm already
thinking to myself, man, not even like a follow up question.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay. Then she hands the kids their hot chocolate and says,
have fun shopping.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Yeah, I'll point out you said it was a soft place,
but it's kind of a soft moved. Go buy hot
chocolate and a coffee shop.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I told you, I'm there. I'm there. I'm there.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's just don't act like you don't get what I'm saying. Man,
when you walk into a coffee shop, I.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Know, Listen, you don't get judged at the lucky litts.
I will say, I'm not gonna judge you.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
No, there's there's two gradations I think of coffee shops.
There's places that have drip coffee ready to go, and
then there's the places that do pour over and they
don't like a coffee shop or stand that doesn't have
just drip coffee. To my mind, it's you think that's
far and few between.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
I mean most places.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Have what I what I'm saying is that there are
places that don't just have drip ready to go. They say, oh,
we could make you an Americano.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, it's a place that deals the traffic and indulgences.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
It's like, well, there's performance.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Okay, yeah, I'm making sure you more for that performance.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Here's my other story, and this isn't even this is
a short story.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
I liked your first one.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Here's another one.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
I okay, he's ordered them in goodness, so it's only
gonna get better.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Check this one out.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I was happened to be skinning an extremely rotund raccoon.
I thought to myself, I'm gonna make some coon grease
and send it to Clay, just because I don't know why,
this is like a good idea. I'm not kidding you. Man,
you're gonna think I'm lying. You can call my kids
and ask I got three and this is not being

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like this is not being fiddle fiddling around. Three quartz,
two of them are on my desk upstairs. Three quarts
of rendered coon oil.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
How much of that coon? Way?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, he wasn't twenty pounds but just fat.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Three quartz maybe twenty pump Wow, you eating cook dude,
It smells I haven't tasted yet. It smells totally normal.
I don't think you'd know the difference. I don't think
you know the difference. Oh, my buddies, like you did
that in the kitchen, I said, My wife never messes me.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
About anything like that. It's just a little shout out
to my way.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
We got to fry a burger in that stuff or something.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
See how I can't wait to do something with it.
And I took those cracklings and fired them up on
the roof. I had my kid fire them up on
the roof of the guest house so we can kind
of look out at it. And holy smokes, you never
see magpies get worked up. Here's my last story. You
guys can feel free to share a quick story. I've
got three. These are all hot off the press. Show

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that picture Phil.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Here we go. Now, well, people are looking at here.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yesterday we were goose hunting and got we're hunting Canada geese,
but got two snows.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Two snows?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
How is that bird not only alive? Not only alive,
but fat as fat as his buddy. There's a picture
of a of a snow goose here that is missing.
It's all healed over, whatever happened to it is missing
over half of its upper bill.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
Looks like a severe under.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Either scooping with its lower jar or turning its head.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I don't know something you know Max that Max.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I sent that picture to Max and he mentioned if
I sent it, see if you ever see anything like it,
And he mentioned it looks like when a cocaine gets
into its spawning phase.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
A kipe.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, that's it, Isn't that something?

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think that just looks like a person's nose.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Flying around being totally normal.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
I'm looking at it thinking it's missing a chunk of
its upper beak, not that its lower beak is way long.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
That's what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know, over half of its upper beak is just
not there.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
But you were mentioned the kype thing.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh sorry, that's.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
What But it gives that, it gives that vibe.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
But you see fish like that that are mission missing
at well.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
What's interesting to me in the missing part is that
it's like the nostril like reform.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, a lot of reforming happened on it. I don't
know why I didn't save I should have saved that head.
I didn't save that head. You know, I'll be able
to get it back.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
A lot of reforming happened on that thing.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
Did you check its crop?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
It was in the morning and no, it was early
in the morning.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
Man, those are just tough.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Isn't that something funny about that? After we hunt, we go.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Over to the farmer's house to thank come and say
hi and everything that's coming in from church and his
and the and his wife says, if you see two
white ones, And I'm thinking, and I said, well, uh,
we got those.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Is that a problem?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
No, but I was scared to death.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
They give you on that really fast, like yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
So those two were just hanging with the Canada.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Apparently they'd been hanging around for the last few days.
But she's like no.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sooner as she's saying that, I'm like, oh, it's not
I hope that's not theirs. I don't know what I thought,
just I've been seeing them, but she's like if you
see too, And in my head I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh no, no, no, no no, and I'm like, well
we got those. Oh that's fine. Yeah, I don't know
how it could be alive. Yeah, that's it. That's it.
Yanni told us a great story, but you can't share it.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
Yeah, I told you a couple of good ones, but
you can't share what not because they're illegal. No, I
can tell you a story about my multiple car accidents
in one day, and that was not that good or
what I would like to say. I told the story
to Dan Flores this morning, and he sat there, uh,
seemingly entertained and listening intent. So I'll tell it again.

(13:01):
But you know, a lot of people still think that
hunting with dogs is somehow easy, easier. You're giving, you know,
way too much advantage to the hunter, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Because they're just focused on the shooting part exactly.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
They don't know what goes into it. A friend of
mine treed a mature time on Friday, let it go.
Didn't want to kill it for whatever reason. By himself,
he decided to be better if he had a couple
of friends with him.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Big Coffee shop guy. Huh, it's a big coffee shop guy.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
I don't know, maybe, but he lets him go, walks
away from the tree around twelve or noon on Friday.
We're back at that same tree on Saturday morning about
nine am. So you don't know when the cat left
the tree.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
But this is based off a hot tip.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
No, we're all back at the same tree, that same
tree that he was at. Yes the day was there, No,
he was with us. We all came back together.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Is that routine that seems like like borderline harassment to
the mountain lion?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Chase them out the tree one day, then go back
to that same tree and chase them up a tree
again the next day.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
Exactly. See, you would think so, right, because it's just
like a slam dunk, Right.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I would think that was a slam dunk.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, no, because by that point, got twenty four hours,
got the same as cutting the fresh track.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Well, it hasn't been twenty four hours, but you would.
In my mind, I almost said no because I was like,
you know what, I'd rather go to my own spot
that I'm gonna choose, and if I find the track,
which is usually like the most expart exciting part of
the whole hunt and when you look over and you go,
oh my gosh, there it is like I found a track,

(14:40):
Like I don't want to miss that. And we're gonna
go to a spot where I'm going to walk to
a track. I should Uh, I'm like, I'll go, it'll
be fun. I want to. I want to see what
like one hundred and forty and fifty pound Tom looks like,
you know, that's what the guest ofm it was, And
so we go. It starts snowing that morning pretty good,
pretty hard. It's snowing and it's snowing. We start on

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the track. Mingus actually we left without the dogs so
we could actually just find the track and kind of
sort it out and see where it was going. Mingus
broke out of his kennel, so he rolls in there.
It wasn't very secure.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
The rest of the dogs. Mingus is like the log suckers.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
These kendles are right on the backs of snowmobiles, are
in the sleds behind snowmobiles. They take a beating and
so a lot of times the latches and stuff don't work,
and that dog is one to start pushing and checking
stuff out. After he gets boredered cold or whatever. So anyways,
he shows up and we find the track, and as
soon as he smells it, you know, it's he just
loses his crap. So we tie him off. The other

(15:36):
dogs come, we cut him loose. It's just, you know,
all voices are going off, and we're like, oh, yeah,
we're gonna have this toime and a tree. And ten
to thirty minutes, you know, thirty minutes later, the dogs
kind of slow down and they start having a loss
where they're not on the track anymore. It's snowing, a
lot of snow, a lot of snow, so we start
walking the track with the dog. Basically, long story short,

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we get to a point a couple hours later where
the tracks are literally like they started as these like
nice cups in the snow. You couldn't see the track,
the you know, toes, but you could see a nice
cup in the snow. And eventually that cup has got
shallower and shallower and shallower, and then it was just
flat snow. And about noon we're like, we're not catching

(16:20):
this cat, and like there was enough snow where like
the dogs like couldn't even dig the scent out of it.
And he got away.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
And he's so easy. It's not easy.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
What's so hard about shooting some cat out of a tree?

Speaker 7 (16:33):
So we were talking about it, like how easy it
should have been, and the guy was actually saying that
he's done it enough times that he feels like he's
batting three hundred on leaving a cat in a tree
and coming back the next day and catching it again.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
What's good average?

Speaker 7 (16:48):
So thirty percent of the time he's catching? Yah?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Want? Did I say thirty?

Speaker 7 (16:54):
I don't know, randall because.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
They're going down to the the another decimal.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Point one, not thirty point zero.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Well, that adds a whole new thing to it.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Batting of three hundred is one and thirty No.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
No, means you're hitting the ball three out of ten
at bats.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
What if they just did the other way, I would
know what the hell it meant. Number five Sports podcast.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
They're two twenty so this show is categorized.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
In sports because they're sportsmen.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Spotify came out with the top sports podcast of twenty
twenty five. We're number five. The four of Bobus are
like actual sports podcasts. Number one is The Kelsey Guys,
and no one cares about that. But Randall's explaining that
now and then his girlfriend comes on the show, and

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then kinds of girlfriend, all kinds of little girls listen,
and it gives them a It gives you like an
inflated sense.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeah, they're week two week downloads. Don't make them a
national number one.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Sports podcast, which Taylor Swift because if I was dating
Trump and Trump came on, we have yeah, huge boost
and we're Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
M hmm, well she's our date someone you gee what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I was just trying to get a famous person in
the swifties. Yeah, so that's so that doesn't count Randall sex.
That's not a legitimate show.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
And the other ones are yeah part of my take.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, like football sports, which got us thinking.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
We're talking about like how how to like try to
harness some of the energy there, And we thought if
if someone tried to pick sports team wins based off
only mascot analysis because they love wildlife.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Can I can I ask you a question before we
get started? Can you name the cities that these teams
are attached to?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Seattle? And I don't know, because I think they moved it.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
They did, They moved it, they did, And I don't
recognize any team that wasn't a team when I was
a kid. Like I still have a hard time with
TV channels that aren't ABC, CBS and NBC channels three eight.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
You're not a team.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
You didn't go to Max. You just stayed in HBO. Man.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I remember I remember when Yeah, I remember like your
parents leaving, like when a cable came out. I remember,
like your mind, dad had go out to dinner and
they like the last thing they'd say is don't turn
out Cinemax.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
The football player remembers best as the refrigerator Perry.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Could you not know?

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I don't count any team that didn't exist when I
wasn't a little kid.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's like it's illegitimate in my mind.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
But I feel like the Rams that used to be
a California team.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
And it is once again, yeah oh it is?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Who is it? La? Huh?

Speaker 5 (20:00):
I would have guessed that from LA to Saint Louis
to La oh.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, I would have got that right. But I would
have got it right accidentally. I would have got trust
on this. I would have got it right as the
old yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Rams and Seattle Seahawks and.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
These are week sixteen predictions here. So so we're coming up.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
We got rams and seahawks, and like it doesn't denote
what kind of a seahawk is an osprey the fastest animal,
fastest animal on Earth rams. It's like if it was
wild rams or like mountain rams, but I don't know,
it could be just some manure encrusted Yeah, and you

(20:39):
know it kind of like gross out about actual like
sheep rams all the fecal matter connected that's always hooked
to their wool, and then some of them had those
like grossly outsized testes. They would reduce the athleticism of
any thing.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
But wild ram also has giant tastes for this.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
But he's not he's not fecal matter and crusting. Hm.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
But we used to call him ranch maggots.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Sure, I just think with the right game plan. You know,
you've seen the videos of birds of prey knocking mammals
off of Sure, yeah, I think there is one of
a sheep getting killed by a or maybe a mountain
goat getting killed by a bird.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
If I go seahawks on this, I'm going because.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Specificity because by calling yourself the rams, I picture barn rams,
which are gross Okay, mostly gross.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Starret you calling it on Thursday December eighteenth game, it's
Seahawks winning over the Rams.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, now what the what are the actual people say?

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Let me see that.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
One's probably pretty close.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
I would guess the Rams are good though.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Yeah, both good.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Now, if we're a real national sports podcast would be
betting the lines, we wouldn't just be calling winners and losers.
So I really don't no, Well, like you know, it's
like by how many Rams? By three and a half,
you know, I don't know about that. So so we
but we're just trying to get incrementally higher ranked in
the national sports podcast by.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
And we're not going to do that by not being
We're not going to do that by not being like
more nuanced than specificah.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just a half assed attempt to increase
our relevance as a sports podcast.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Falcons v. Cardinals. That's a tough one to talking about
Northern Cardinals.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Which is weird to Arizona, but they got moved to Yeah,
and the kind of.

Speaker 8 (22:36):
Falcons Cardinals is tough. Well, general falcons.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I just don't know what kind of Falcons are talking about.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
And it's like, don't you think nine out of ten
falcons are going to take out nine out of ten
cardinals every time.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, but I think it's more to it than that.
Oh okay, Like if it's geer.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Falcons or something, and I'd be like, I don't know,
it just seems a little like not specific.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
But if you had to bet the money that you
need to pay your rent next month.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
If you said, I got a falcon, I'm not telling
you what yeah kind, he said, And I got a cardinal,
I'm not telling you what kind. Yeah, I'd be like,
I think that the falcon, the undisclosed falcon will conquer
the undisclosed cardinal.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Just just generally.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
If there have folks December falcons.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, but that logic falls apart if we get to
Bengals v. Dolphins of Bengal, Well, are they in the
water or not. They're playing football on the grass. So
if you throw a dolphin out on the grass, and
you throw a Bengal tiger out on the grass, but
I dolphins get too much attention.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
But Bengal tigers very comfortable.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
It's Bengals ad dolphins.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Just so we're clear.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
Oh so we're on the water.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Yeah, I did look it up. Bengals can swim three
to four miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Well, dolphins are good for about sixty.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
At if they're at like their burst through sprint speed.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I look at this one more like I always looking
at it, more like dolphins get too much attention.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Everybody thinks they're right.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, they're like they're kind of like they got they
got a little overplay. It was like, yeah, I just
feel about dolphins are the wildlife version of that.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
They get too much attention.

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Imagine how cool it would be if you were watching
a nature documentary and you saw a Bengal tiger eating
a dolphin. Mm hmm, like you somehow.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I'd like that.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah, but then you don't want the Bengal to eat
the dolphin because then the Bengals have a worse draft
pick next year. Because this season is already just completely
You've already see Rydals.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
You should see you should have a sports podcast because
you know this stuff.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Yeah, well not really, but doing our best here National
Sports pot Cast Folks number five.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
Wait, so is that Bengals winning over Dolphins?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Steve? I can't rate it like how you want me to.
There's an annoyance factor that I have with dolphins. I
love them, okay, but just they just absorb too much attention.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
So you'd like them to lose.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Is that me? No.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
When I was working on my Buffalo book, a guy
said to me, because I was writing about all these
different the reason I'm revisiting this in my mind is
because I'm writing a new forward. It's been seventeen years
since I wrote that book, and I'm writing a new forward,
and in it, I'm sort of doing around the country
snapshot of the politics surrounding the animal and things that

(25:47):
have happened since the book came out. Anyways, it's causing
me to reflect on a thing that happened when I
was working on the book, where a guy said, with
all this stuff going on the animal, right like, there's
issues in Alaska, there's issues in Arizona, there's issues in Utah.
All this is happening. And he said to me, the

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thing is Yellowstone. It's a black hole. It sucks in
all the attention.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So all this.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Everything, all these things you're talking about, will always be
in the American mind unknown.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Because the park sucks everything into it.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And when people think of the politics of the animal,
they only can think of what's going on in the park.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Everything else is lost to them.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
And I think dolphins are something like a black hole,
an animal black hole.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
I mean they had flipper.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
They absorbed too much attention in wildlife I did see.
I'd like to see the other guys, the tigers get them.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
I did get to see when we were in Europe.
We went to the zoo in Vienna and I saw
tiger eating the leg of something.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. But
they probably threw it to it.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, but just watching something chew and rip, that's all
I got.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
That reminds me of a story I heard when I
was driving home from Wisconsin. I was catching up moving,
catching up with old friends Otter. Oh yeah, old fishing
buddy of ours down in the veil. That kid, call
him kid. He's not a kid anymore, but he's, you know,
much younger than us. So I'd like Colin Randall a kid.

(27:26):
You know, he's that age he's got. He's had more
for not being a hound hunter. He's had more mountainlining
encounters than anybody I know for just a dude that
kind of he's gotten more serious about hunting. But when
we knew him, he was a very casual hunter. Now
he's gotten more into it.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Just kind of runs into him.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
Like, tells me a story about watching a kitten thirty
yards away, kitten mountain lion at in a big grove
of aspens, as you are bound to see in Colorado,
and the leaves are all gently falling out of the
trees and the kittens just sitting there on his back legs,
jumping up and swatting. He got to watch it for

(28:01):
like twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Kid.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, Well, this year he's hiking around and he sees
the head of a cow elk like kind of behind
the log. Goes walking over to the cow elk, and
he can tell that it's been kind of covered up,
you know, but it's not it's not registering yet. But
the first thing in his mind is like, oh, I'm

(28:23):
gonna open her mouth and check to see if the
ivories are in there and pop the ivories out of there.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
He gets right up to her and literally is like
like gonna almost touch her upper lip or whatever to
look for the ivory. And he looks over and eating
on the hind quarter. He says, it's the biggest mountain
lion he's ever seen in just full stile and he
and all of a sudden the line was like, oh shit,

(28:48):
what are you doing here?

Speaker 8 (28:49):
You know?

Speaker 7 (28:50):
And boom took off. No, I trust him. Yeah, And
I'm telling you, like I forget him. And wasn't it
justin Carr and him We're walking down a trail and
at night and they had one coming at him. They
ended up shooting at it and then like.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
He's just maybe just shooting a scared Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Something like that. But anyways, Mountain Lion magnet and yeah,
he's like that was pretty close. I said, did you
get the ivories out? He's like no, I laughed.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Here's a guy wrote in this is a good one.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
In your recent episode of the podcast with Mark Lee Gardner,
when talking about Billy the Kid's affinity for the song
we call Turkey and the Straw, he said Billy called
it a guy yina because the Spanish language didn't really
have a.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Word for turkey. Hmm. I find that hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Then he goes on to say, you asked him what
about wahallote, which is what they call turkeys in snore
in Mexico, and he didn't really have a response for that.
This guy wrote in Wahallote is a regional term. It's
borrowed from It's a It's a sort of borrow term

(30:02):
in some regional Latin American Spanish dialects, made from two
Aztec words.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Hui big and wilote monster big monster.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
The literal meaning is pretty cool because it personifies the
bird's imposing appearance, but also symbolizes the importance of the
bird in the culture, in the in the culture of
those people.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Wahlote m monster bird. No, what is it? Big monster,
big monster, big monster. I'm sticking with that from now on.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Hey, I gave me a bunch of different nouns in Spanish.
El pavo, el guajalote is number two, El chompipe, al fracaso,
el pato, mariado, and el patoso. Okay, so yeah, must
be very regional.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Guyina, Turkey and the straw.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Over the course of the history of this podcast, there's
been something we've talked about a ton and this is
the last time it'll ever come up. And that is
whether in Tombstone, the movie, when Val Kilmer says to someone.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I'll be your huckleberry, the hell's he talking about? For
a while?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I got duped by the Internet, and I thought I
was reading one day all about how they screwed up,
and he was meant to say, I'll be your huckle bearer,
meaning I'll be your pall bearer. Why that as the
Internet tricked me into believe in the polls, like the

(31:46):
polls on a casket were made of hucklewood. And someone
pointed out to me, I don't know what hucklewood even is,
but I got duped by it. I'm like a gullible guy.
I'm like my wife at the vet.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I got duped And no, my wife gets duped by
like like she says yes to all the vaccine any like.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Any like, Oh this dog needs this has this problem,
and she's like, oh, we'll better take care of that.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
This town is right with that. You gotta be careful, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
She's she they really I need to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
So, yeah, I got duped by the Internet on this.
I brought it up to Gardener Mark Gardner. He says
he he said, that's an urban legend and I don't
know what is huckle wood, to which I said, I
never thought about that. I don't know what that means.

(32:47):
So this guy, he's there's a guy that wrote in
he's like a Josh, what's the name of his wild
West podcast?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I got to check that up.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
He's got a wild West podcast.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
He says, Huckleberry and Gardner got into this.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
You would legitimately run around at that time, you could
say Huckleberry.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
No one knows where it came from.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It appears in magazine articles, poems, even advertisements in the
mid to late eighteen hundreds. It essentially means I'm the
right man for the job. The screenwriter took it directly
from a book about Tombstone.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Okay, but there's.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
No reason to believe Doc Holiday ever used it. But
he's saying that Doc Holliday would have certainly known the phrase.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'll be your Huckleberry, meaning I'm the man for the job.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
The podcast is wild the wild West Extravaganza. I've never
listened to it.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, I can't. I'm not I just read. I'm just yeah,
I don't know. It could be a whole show about
about I don't know what sounds like.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's about wild.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
West stuff and extravaganzas.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
And extravagandas he says, you can't locate any mention of
huckle Bear prior to the movie tombstone.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
He goes on to he kind of tracked down who
started the whole thing. He tracks it back to a
two thousand and eight post on Twitter where a guy
used the phrase I'll be your huckle bear. He finds him,
shoots him at DM, asks him, where did you hear
I'll be your huckleberry? He said he couldn't remember, but

(34:41):
probably from his brother Dan.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
And there you have it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
A few people have.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Reached out saying that they heard it directly from Bill
Knight Kite Kite the former executive director of the Frontier
Museum and Doc holl the collection at Glenwood Springs.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So he calls mister.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Kite saying, hey, why are you running around saying I'll
be your huckle bearer? He says, you heard it online?
They have, so I think that we can. I don't
know I trust this guy. I feel like when Doc Holiday,

(35:25):
when you're sitting.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
There and you're on a date.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
You're on a date, you know, like you're just kind
of getting date in someone and you're trying to impress him.
I've done it some long time, but like you're throwing tombstone,
you know, And it gets to that part and you're like, hey, baby,
you know that's not actually what it was.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
It was.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'll be your hucklebear, you're wrong if you're trying to
impress her.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, unless she does her sleuthing though, mm hm, you
might just depress her.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh, like she might not go digging in.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah, it's doubtful that she would.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Actually she did, then you know, you got to keep.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
I think it would be just as impressive to say, hey,
do you know what that means and then explain that
it means, you know, I'm the right man for the job.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
But then but then she would have been like, what
it means the context?

Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yeah, or if she asked you to make dinner?

Speaker 7 (36:17):
Do you think that in the context of that movie,
of that scene, that you knew that it meant I'm
the right man for the job?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
He says, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
They're having like a tense moment and he's like, basically,
I'll kill you.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
Right, he's saying basically I'll kill you the man, which
is different than I'm the right man for the job.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
No.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
No, because in that movie they're like going back and
forth like i'll kill you, you'll kill me, like, and
that was like, but in this hypothetical scenario.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
She might not have been paying attention that closely to
the plot of the film, so maybe the context is
lost on her, and just explaining that Huckleberry is the
right man for the job might still impress her.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
On my first date, I had the man mistake. I
was in the museum and I made the mistake.

Speaker 7 (37:01):
This is a first date or with your wife.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
My actual first date with my wife.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, you know, they played those little you can go
in those little booths and they play like those little
movies and then just starts over again. We came in
halfway through and I turned to her, say, don't worry.
This will end and we'll just sit here and watch
till it gets back to where we began.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
They have a term for that these days. Don't take
her in.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, And she's like, oh, thank you so much for
explaining that to me. I was like baffled by how
we would take in the whole thing. You know, don't
you worry your pretty little head.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Will come back around and we'll watch the first part.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Denver police investigate body parts being removed from a luxury apartment.
Oh this starts out sad guy writes in due to divorce,
I moved into an apartment in a nice part of
Denver Cherry Creek.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's too bad. Now, I wonder, like what happened?

Speaker 6 (38:11):
He tried to explain, Huckleberry.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Man, I'm gonna be depressed all day about this guy's
marriage dissolving. It goes on, Yeah, just I mean, I
just gotta take him in to reflect on that, you know.
So he goes on and say he grew up in
western Washington, Okay, kind of slowed down, grew up hunting fishing,
kind of slowed down on hunting fishing, got into his

(38:37):
mid forties, and got back into hunting during COVID. So
now here he is, he's divorced, living in an apartment.
Shoots cow el brings it back to his high end
apartment building. It's real hot. The game processor is not open.

(39:00):
M He starts moving parts of this elk up into
his apartment, gets a visit from law enforcement officials investigating
reports of a man moving body partners from.

Speaker 8 (39:16):
His pickup into his apartment.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
A man moving body parts into his apartment, and.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
I wonder, like what the person reporting him must have thoughts.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Run away, I would expect him to be moving body
parts out of his apartment. Yeah, like, what scenario would
you kill someone? Put yourself into murderer shoes, you kill
someone dismember?

Speaker 7 (39:46):
No, but his email says into pickup from apartment. Oh
so he doesn't quite Yeah, we're kind of we're missing
a little part of the story. But he must have.
Maybe this was after forty eight hours and he was
finally taken into.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
The of a man loading body parts into his pickup.
That makes sense, because that's what a murder would do.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
He sually be in a rolled up carpet though.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, well, unless you didn't want to look suspicious.

Speaker 7 (40:15):
Suitcase chop it. We gotta ask when.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I see guys carrying a very heavy roller carpet.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, I always know. I know what I was looking at.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
It looked like he was holding in You can't fool me.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
When I was doing my dissertation research, I found a
newspaper article little flex there you have little Well, it's
how else do you find this article? In the nineteen fifties,
a a woman killed her children. Oh, come on, and
buried them in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Okay, but we already got this guy. Get divorced.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
No, and the cops came and asked the neighbors like
did you see this? And they're like, oh, yeah, I
just assumed she was bearing a bunch of deer meat
from the freezer.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
RD can you talk to Randall's the time, Krint and
have them try to practice.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
A little talking about they were already joking about the murder.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I thought it was we were joking about elk parts,
not children.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Oh my god, man, I think he's trying to make
the point.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Anything, anything's possible that it would make.

Speaker 8 (41:19):
More sense that the average person what would imagine that
they be if.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
You just assume everything is hunting as opposed.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
To human fault, the average person for seeing someone carrying
an elk quarter and thinking it might be.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
But picture, it's like the picture you've seen the movie
The Burbs, best.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Movie in the world.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Dude, Tom Hanks is married to carry Fisher, kind of
like post Princess Leah, one of the movies Carry Fisher,
Like I now am very in love with her. Then,
not Princess Leah, but Burbs.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
You know, of the Burbs.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Some new guys move in next door to town and
they start doing weird stuff. So I'm saying, like, here
you are in a luxury apartment building. New guy moves
in kind of like, what's he got going on? Then
one day's carry him bloody packages and load him in
a truck.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
You could see that he would think like you'd think
the worst, especially if you've just been watching The Burbs.
You're primed for it.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
See something, say something.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
The whole premise of The Burbs, the whole thing is this.
There's all this stuff that's so damning, damning, and it
builds you up to be like it was all a misunderstanding,
like every little thing can be explained away. But then
in the end there's a surprise twist, and it was

(42:52):
worse than anyone thought. My kids loved it when I
played it firm recently.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Oh, so I can play it. I'm gonna play it
for my kids. It's okay, it's an okay kid movie.
I got in trouble big time the other day. I
don't even want to mention what movie I started watching
with one of my kids, and all of a sudden
scene came on. I'm like, look the other way, blankets.
Oh you've got to tell us now. Oh really, yeah,

(43:21):
whatever it is, what it is? Yeah, inglorious bastards.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Oh yeah, Yeah, that's a real good one for the youngsters.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
She's Tarantino fil It'll just.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Be like the killing will only go on for a
few hours.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
It does just be a tastefully graphic at all.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
It's not gratuitous violence. Tarantino never went for that.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, understand kids in some ways, this is a statement
about excessive violence.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
That par I figured it was. It was okay, and
she could handle it. It was the it was the
first sex scene that caught us off guard.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Okay, this is the guy like like this is he's
I love this guy, this great guy.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
But he calls.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
Himself out in like the first sentence he does.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
He does, this is a good one.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I want this is one for people to think about.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Stephen Crewe.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I think I might be turning into the type of
prow I kind of glossed over his first sentence. You
are you are? He says Stephen Crewe. I think I
might be turning into the type of person I despise.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Him.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I bought some property in a midle He don't even
want to name the state. He's like, I bought some
property in a Midwest state a few years ago. The
property has a large creek about thirty feet across that
meanders through and serves as a significant dividing line between
one half of the property and the other. The creek

(44:54):
runs in such a way that it cuts through the
corner of the neighbor's property, leaving a small triangle. He
estimates his triangle to be about two acres of their
property on what I would refer to as my side
of the creek, because it is only accessible by crossing

(45:18):
the creek. When I bought the property, I knew that
there was a deer stand on the small triangle. And
after I purchased the guy who hunts the neighbor's property,
which was the owner's son in law, reached out to
me and let me know that he previously had permission

(45:39):
to cross my property to get to the stand.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I let him know.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
That I would not that I would not allow that
same access, and he had no issue and understood my reasoning.
But he could always still cross the creek as he
pleased to access the property legally.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
So he's like, hey, I can get there no matter what.
It'd be nice if I could cross your land. The
guy says, don't cross my land, So he says, cool
across on the creek. Fast forward through the last few
hunting seasons, and they have on multiple occasions shot at
wounded deer on opening day of firearm season. From that stand,

(46:31):
he says, and I don't know if you would know
this is true or not, but he says, they all
ran off their property onto mine in another neighboring property.
Each time they have politely notified me and asked me
if they could track the deer across my property. State

(46:52):
law allows access onto other private property to retrieve game.
So I have a bly as I respect their communication
and honesty, and because you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Not oblige, that was me editorializing.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
They even said they would not carry weapons, to which
I thought, well, what the hell are you going to
do if it isn't dead, but kept that to myself.
I'm going to editorialize for a minute. In some states
where you're allowed to legally go on to another state
to retrieve game, the rule is that you can go
on to the other property unarmed to retrieve game, which

(47:30):
I had to exercise one time hunting sandhill cranes in Texas.
A couple times we had birds sail off on another
guy's place and you had to chase them, but you
couldn't chase them with the shotgun. But you were allowed
to go directly there, get your bird, come back, no gun.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
I mean in this case, it was also just like
a gesture of good faith. Right, They're like, you.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Know, but I don't know about the legality.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
We could do some quick work because there's only so
many Midwest states that have retrieval rights.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
However, what he's doing, which God bless.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Him, Connor here, I don't want to turn him off
because he's like a listener, But then I don't want
to be this is tough love. He's he's he's trying
to make like he's doing a retort. Connor, the guy
writing in the listener, the fan is doing a thing
where he's like kind of doing little things to make

(48:22):
himself seem good. They're allowed to go get it, he says,
So why obliged? Yeah, but they're allowed to.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Right man.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
But I think they were telling him like out of
good faith.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
He says, so why obliged? But it wasn't your call.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Then they're like, I won't even bring a gun. Well,
how are you gonna get anyway? Well, then why not
say why don't you bring your gun just in case,
just in case, since I'm a good neighbor.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
But I wonder about these hunters, like the direction that
they're hunting in and shooting in.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
It's one point five to two acres. If I was
sitting on a piece, it was one point five to
two acres. All I'd be thinking about is what's going
to happen when I got to go on the neighbor's place.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
I'm looking at his property right now? Yeah, at all.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
And obviously on X and obviously can you find the corner? Yeah,
we shouldn't be talking about that.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
No, but no, but no one knows his name. They know,
they know he's in the Midwest, and his name's.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Common only we know the name full names in the
show notes.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Okay, yeah, oh, Randall.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
I feel like these people obviously had a much different
relationship with the previous owner. Where are they probably shooting
onto his property and he was okay with.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
It because the old owner was like, oh yeah, man,
cut across my property, let's all have a good time,
let's be neighborly.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
You know, that was the old owner, right. The whole
thing has started to become a bit bothersome to me.
To me, he says, this is the guy talking again.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Me being a very non confrontational my Westerner, would never
put myself in a situation where a dear eye shot
is pretty much guaranteed to enter another property forcing me
to interact with the owner, even though we have that
right as given by the state that I agree with.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I don't like that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
My property is not large, so when these situations have occurred,
it has essentially ended my hunt for the day.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
How many acres has he got? Randal?

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Let me pull back up here.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
Well, I don't do we want to give away that
information because then.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
It'll come on the guy's name. YEA, somewhere in a
quadrant of America. Okay, somewhere in a quadrant of America
is forty acres with a creek.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I feel like I've been on that place.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Why I think. I don't know if he kept it out,
but I think that it's a narrow a lot of
context in the situation.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
So maybe he should hunting his own place because.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
The size of his and knowing the size of the neighbors.
Are you ready to dissect this or do you need
to read this?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
No, no, we're not there yet. We're getting there. My property
is not large or he did that. Oh, it essentially
ended my hunt for the day, as they have intruded
into the heart of my hunting area and very likely
spooked any deer that were in the area. I have

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considered telling them my feelings about them hunting the very
small piece of property, offering to buy it from the landowner,
even building a fence around the triangle. And I even
hung a tree stand not far from the property line.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
Hey, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Too, there's gonna wind up being a Blood Trails episode.
This creek. There's gonna wind that be in a Blood
Trails episode coming out of this place and the not
so near future. So so he went and set a
tree stand up close to their property line.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
I just don't think you can say they're intruding not
far from the property line myself, as a major game
trail passes right through the triangle.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
No, but he meant intruding, like when they actually come
on to try to retrieve they are.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
No, they say, there's it's more like they're intruding on
his hunt.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I'm baking up.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
When they physically come on to his property to retrieve,
they are intruding.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
No, he's saying, Okay, I'll do a quick recap. But
because I can understand with all the interruptions, that's why
I finished.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I want to fish the poor guy's letter.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I feel odd to myself and my morals as someone
who hunts public land in the West and often groans
over the actions some landowners take to protect their property
from hunters. Have I become the private land owner a hole.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Just to recap.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
No, it's clear he's got a little chunk. He's got
forty acres. I'm jealous part of it. He's got a
little one point five His neighbor owns a little one
point five two acre wedge that sits on like what
he considers to be his side of the creek. They
keep a stand over there. When they shoot a deer,
the deer doesn't have to go far to get off.
A one point five acre parcel winds up on his place.

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They have trespass rights to retrieve their game. They go
get their game. It's on opening DA a gun season.
They're now stirring around on his side of the fence.
Everybody's pissed. I got a solution.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
It's a one point one acre using on X's He
oversold it shape.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
To him, yep, because he was manipulative in other ways,
but heman he he like he could.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Have manipulated it and rounded down.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
They rounded up, but he rounded up on.

Speaker 8 (54:04):
That one gives those guys a lot of free reign
and go cross. This is probably not a fence, right.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
He never insinuated that they're shooting deer on his property either.
They're like the old guy.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I think the old owner. Here's my solution.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
I'd be so frustrated.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Let's just build intension. I think he makes a pack
a pact because here's the deal. From his bargaining position.
He might be on the receiving end of more people
coming on his land and vice versa.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
But you don't need to come with that.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
You could come saying. So this guy goes to the
neighbor and plays this little mind trick. He goes to
a neighbor and says, man, you know I got forty acres.
It's paradise, dude. But let's be honest, I could easily
shoot a deer that could get across the creek and

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disturb your hunt on opening day. And I mean it's
not out of the questions that would happened to you
on my place. Well, there, we ought to do just
so I can feel better about it, because this has
been weighing on me, because inevitably me or one of
my buddies is going to send a deer over onto
your property.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
We're gonna go chasing after it, as.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
We have the right to do. But to think that
I would go over there and bump a buck, I
wouldn't be able to live with myself. So let's do
this in the first few days of firearm season. Let's
round up at dark. We'll call each other at dark
if anyone needs to come over and check on the

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other side, that's when we'll do it, so that we're
not bumping anybody's hunt. Granted it might sit for a
few hours, but that's not terrible till dusk. What do
you say, old neighbor.

Speaker 7 (56:03):
It would be a great way to handle it.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
It is.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
I think it's the most diplomatic way to handle it.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
A financial hostile takeover would work. Now you just just
bake him an offer he can't refuse.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Does it change? Does it change your opinion at all?
That this creek is seventy five feet across? Why did
he say it was thirty I'm just measuring it with
Onyxes tool.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
This guy's bad at measurements.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
Seventy fives pretty seventy five is like a that's a river.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
He's he's doing it. He's wading, he's not even crossing.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Yeah, I don't know. The ONEX tool says twenty four.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
That's a lot of effort then for these hunters to
get to that.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
It depends on if you look at the property, you go, oh, yeah,
that's where you want to that's where you want to
be brill at his Yeah, because the neighbor's property is
like nine non timbered, so his tempercent that is timbered.
One acre of that happens beyond the other side of
the creek.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Or narrowing this place down even more.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
No, No, I trust me. Here's the deal man. Now,
I'm rechanging my thing. Now, I'm rechanging. Now, I'm getting
like a like an eagle stern inside me.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
It's like this dude, the more I think about it,
he didn't make up the rule that you can retrieve
game off property. He owns the damn land, right, It's like,
what's he supposed to do? Not hunt his own place?

Speaker 5 (57:31):
So if if but here's here's where I play Devil's Advocate.
If a deer never crosses the creek, right, Like, if
you shoot a deer and one hundred percent of the
time it runs onto his place.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Because he's not going to cross. They'll jump a little creek.
Not jump, they'll they'll wade, but they're not going to win.
They're wounded, they're not gonna want to cross.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
If they look at this, there's no way that any
deer is going to turn and cross this thing.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Have I heard of this creek before?

Speaker 5 (57:57):
No? But I'm just thinking, like, so, if you owned
one acre along that creek and you just and every
deer you shot ran off your property, is your property
too small to hunt?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I don't believe there is such a thing.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
The state allows hate the game, not the player. Yep,
the state allows retrieval. What is he supposed to do?

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Yeah, but what about the intent of the hunters if
they know that one hundred percent of the time that
they cross that creek and stand on that little one
acre or parcel and hunt deer, that.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I don't believe. I don't believe him on that.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
And I would invite people here at sitting at this
table to ask yourself this question. Of all the deer
that you have personally shot and scene gets shot, all
of the white tailed deer that you have shot or
scene get shot by a firearm, what percent have left
the center of one acre parcels a minority, minority for

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a minority leave the area.

Speaker 8 (59:07):
What if you're shooting as dear that is almost on
the the the over almost across.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
The he takes one jump and he's on the neighbors.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
If you shoot, if you shoot one dead nuts in
the middle of this triangle, it's twenty eight yards to
the property line.

Speaker 8 (59:29):
But again, and if you double along it, you could
still you could still easy traverse that distance.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
And I'm not I'm not saying that like his neighbors
shouldn't be allowed to do this. I'm just saying like
he's right and feeling that they're kind of being no
imposing neighbors.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
You know what, my kids a lot I say, tough
titty said the kitty titty at our house that you
can add a little meal. But here's the deal, it
doesn't matter if it's one acre or another forty acre chunk.
We used to own a forty acre chunk that had
three neighbors each and then one neighbor was the county road, right,

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so it was you get when I'm painting here, all
of the neighbors stands seemed like they were right on
the property line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Everybody knows is a screener. The bucks are on the
neighbors or they're crossing.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
I don't know what they think. No, we call it
no no, No, that's the end of my story. I'm
just saying that, Like, it doesn't matter if it's an
acre or forty. People hunt on those borders where that
stuff is gonna happen all the time or u.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
The main border. We had to deal with growing up
deer hunting. You know what was we called the other
side of that fence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
No man's land. Meanwhile, that guy was like, no, this
is the center of the universe. This is my farm.
It was like, don't go down to no man's land.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
I also think it's like, are those guys coming on
to that one acre, Like they ain't going there to
hunt one acre?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
So now you're saying that the landowner owns the deer.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
No, I'm not saying that, but like you see, like
you're gonna go hunt a spot where you're like your
intentions is like only to hunt the deer that come
onto that one acre.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yes, if God said, if you said, Steve, you have
one acre, choose to hunt or not, you can go
on your neighbors to get your deer, I would go hunt.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
I mean, imagine if that one acre was like sandwich
between Lee and Tiffany's and and Bill Winkie's, you know,
to each.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Narrow, like connecting those two.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
I know exactly where to hit him so they don't
leave my one acre, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
Well, it's also raised the question how many how many
deer are they shooting per year? Like if they're just
screwing up his opening morning every year, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
You just yea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
But I already came up with a solution how to
thx that. I'm just saying this, dude, I'm saying in America,
like I don't care if you have one tree, Yeah,
I don't. If it's legal, if you're not in the limits,
you can legally discharge a firearm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
You have an acre. Your state says retrieval.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Is okay, I don't think you're in the wrong. If
your state said retrieval is not okay without permission like
the one we live in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And then you called and you said, what would be
the chances I could retrieve a deer on your place?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
They say, the minute you touch your foot on my property,
I'm calling the sheriff. I'd be like, man, we can't
hunt the one acre, yeah, right, Like, no matter what,
I don't care what kind of gun, we ain't hunting
the one acre. Yeah, because that guy is going to
call the sheriff and we can't guarantee that it's going
to stay on the one acre.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
I feel like you have to answer his question. Have
I become the private landowner?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Asked I'm afraid so, with all due respect.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
But his I think that's more of not a private
land thing. It's like a neighbor thing, because it's not
like private versus public.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You know what doctor said to me the other day.
They're telling me their day. Oh my friend, Oh the
same doctor that she's the CWD incident.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
She said to me. When a parent asked.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
Is my doctor no no different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
D D, she said, when a parent asks a question
about food for their kids, she stops worrying about any
parent that asks a question about healthy choice foods for
their kids. She never worries about the kid because the

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parent thought to ask a question. She said, it's the
ones that would never think to ask. That's just her
a thing she's picked up over the years. Yeah, the
fact that you'd be like, hey, is it okay if
my kids, She's like, kid's probably fine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
They at least wonder.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
And I also just think, like, so this guy, maybe
he's not so bad because he's at least wondering to ask.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
He's also not saying that they're doing something horrible. He's
just saying like, this has sort of become annoying to me.
Is there a way to fix this? The pact?

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
Yeah, I don't think he's become a private land asshole whatsoever.
It'd be annoying to anybody. So you can do what
Steve said. I think that also offering to buy the
one acre, I mean if he can afford it by
definitely yeah, you know, I mean if an acre goes
for eight and like he's got fifteen that he can
spend on this, and just yeah, offer him and it's

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that important to him, do it, Like it's not gonna
make anything mad to offer.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
The interesting thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
None to this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
I don't even think he'd be having this conversation if
that creek wasn't there, if it was just a.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Corner of Yeah, he's got a sweet, he's got a sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Trump's his chief diplomat, Steve Whitcoff, he's doing well. He
could maybe go over there and talk to him. But him,
when you get back from when you get back from Ukraine,
you talk to my neighbors about their one acre.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
All right, here's one. Here's a plea for help. I
never felt so bad for someone in all my life.
There might be more to the story, dude. You think
it's more of the story.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
No, I felt real.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
There's more to this story.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
It might be more to the story. Hi Steve, I'm
from Alberta, Canada. I've been hunting for three years for
deer and have had no success. I'm the first hunter
in my family. My friends don't hunt, and most of
my colleagues don't hunt. Of the hunters I've found and

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spoken to, they are all unwilling to provide me any
genuine guidance I've received at keep trying, and one day
everyone gate keeps their hunting locations. Tactics ideas how to
contact landowners, how to determine if the land is good,

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the etiquette of approaching the land owner and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Anything else you can think of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I would say, with the notable exception of this show,
which has provided endless guidance on all of those issues.
By I think he means local people in Alberta. I
don't even know what direction people go to hunt. I
actually believe some people tell me west to the mountains,

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but I see images of them hunting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
To the northeast or south.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
He's starting to figure it out here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I tell my kids it's like your hunt were none
in your creeks in the Business River.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
See a photo of a with a deer in a
big wheat field, and you're like, oh, kill him up
in the bridges.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah. So people are like, hey, man, go up in
the mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
But in their pictures there to the north, they're like, hey,
go west in the mountains.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
He sees their pictures in there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
They're out on the plains.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
They're on the prairies two points north, south and east.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
I'd stop asking those people any questions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
He goes on to say, I've consistently gone almost every
weekend for three seasons, and the only animals. So this
guy has gotten three years and he has gotten a grouse.
It's become extremely expensive and painful to drive two hours
solo to see absolutely nothing because I've been sent on

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a goose chase.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Like he seems like he's getting vindictive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Yeah, spent three years. Yeah, I mean how long is
he supposed to stay in a good mood about it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I've done as much googling as I can, but even
Google can't mentor me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Thanks, please help you forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
So here's the ask, and I can't. This is no
guarantee on my part.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
If this winds up being a blood Trails episode, it's
not my fault. If someone wants to write in and
puts the subject line.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
What are they right into? Contact at something or another the.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
Meat Eater podcast at the whatever Yeah, type in uh,
can you find the address.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
To write Roman a note? Put down a Canadian guy
Alberta guy, head West guy, Krouse guy, skunk guy, something
like that in the subject line. If you're from Alberta,
you want to take this guy out under your wing, send.

Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
Us a yeah. Or if you're like a cool rancher
and you're like I got plenty of deer on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
My that would be the best.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
If there's a rancher who like generally doesn't want anybody
hunting but wants to let this guy on just so
he can stick it to the other guys.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
Yeah, okay, there are a couple of emails, but just
go for meat eater at the meat eater dot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You don't like the whole sticking it to him things.
You want to keep it positive.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Yeah, yeah, he's trying to keep it positive, not sticking
it to him or anything.

Speaker 7 (01:09:30):
Yeah, that would be very nice of anybody in Alberta,
you know that could that could help out this fellaw Yeah,
I just wonder a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Okay, Well, Alberta is an awful bit, Like what if
he's in town? Right, he's got to be an Edmonton
or something, right because he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Say though he doesn't, but but he's like going, if
you're an Edmonton does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Randall?

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
If you're in Edmonton, you go west and all that
there's Calgary, Yeah, Calgory.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
I just want to say this that if you take
out his uh interactions with these other hunters that aren't
helping him, he leaves his age. I think that's what
that's for. That number twenty four. He's a young fella.
He's only been at hunting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Three I've read that to mean that, oh, you're right,
it's not twenty twenty four. He's twenty four years old. Yeah, right,
so he's gonna analyze this.

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
I am Okay, he's only twenty four. He's only been
at it three years. Uh, Karin, you're a pretty new hunter.
You've been at it longer than three years at this point, I.

Speaker 8 (01:10:35):
Think this is only my fifth season.

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
Fifth season? Do you think is it really? Is it
really out of the question? She hasn't killed him mountain
of stuff. I think she's always telling me about struggling
like it's it took a while to get into it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Probably how me, dear you got She also works here.
She doesn't have our friend's problem.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
She's got six deer, a kyote, what else, the.

Speaker 6 (01:11:00):
Elk, and a shipload of mentors, which this guy doesn't
whole mountain stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
But I think she can see. She could see more
than us, because for us it's so far in our past.
She could see that it's not unfathomable that you could
hunt for three seasons and not kill something. Yeah, for sure,
that's just that's my point. So I think to this fella,
I'm just saying, like, dude, the ship is not easy.

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We have mentored people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
I just feel bad for him though, still you should
because I feel like people are being mean to him.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
Maybe yeah, well again, there's always more to the story.
We've mentored people on through Meat Eater that were very
capable adults. We showed him how to hunt, We hunted
with them, We were successful. They did not continue down
the hunting path because it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Too much pain in the ass.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Yes, I also wonder, like his friends don't hunt, his
colleagues don't hunt. So then he says, of the hunters
I've found and spoken to, like who are you asking?
Are you just asking strangers? Like I think you need
to build a relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
And there's a guy standing there in some camo, yeah
the coffee.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
Like you see a deer in the back of someone's truck.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
You know, where'd you get that? Guy's like to the west.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Like like he doesn't have family, friends or colleagues to
rely on, So like, who is he talking to? Like
go volunteer in some conservations all the biologists for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Could these creeping people out? Yeah? Could be creeping people out? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Like, you're not going to get these suggestions if you
don't have the sort of built up social capital with
these people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Yeah, like if he wrote a longer email with more
detail and in it he was like, So what I
do is, you see, people are usually home in the
middle of the night, So if I know someone hunts,
I'll find their home and knock on the door in
the middle of the night to catch them home.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Or I'll look in their windows to see if they
have trophies hanging up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
And once I determined they're a hunter. Now, but I
do think I'll introduce myself.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
You have to build the relationships before you're gonna get
any sort of help.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
You know that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Yeah, Yeah, if a dude came up to me, Yeah,
if a dude came up to me and I don't
know who he was, and he was like, Hey, where'd
you get that goose with missing half his bill? Yeah,
I'd probably go, uh west to here, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
A long ways west.

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
I think we've given him plenty of advice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
One of my favorite things on the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Now, I'm not recommending this because people are gonna read
it and they're gonna get all hot under the hood, But
there's a very funny writer named Nelly Bowls and she
writes for Free Press. One of my favorite things to
do when I wake up on Friday morning is to
read Nelly Bowles's Weekend Review. What it's called TGIF. In TGIF,
it's a com it's a humor column. It comes out Friday.

(01:14:03):
By the time I wake up, it's already out. I
get up early, and I lay there and I read
in my bed, and I chuckled myself. And it's a
it's she starts out, she hacks the right to pieces,
and then she hacks the left to pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
She's she's a comedy writer. She's a humor writer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
She does a funny take on the news. It's satire,
but she's very good about ridiculing everyone in a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Way that it's just funny.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
She had a blip, and I was kind of unaware
of this. She had a blip about the Sierra Club,
like that there's been a bit of an implosion at
Sierra Club. Are you aware of this?

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Some revelations that have cost the Sierra Club a lot
of brand equity. In this thing, what I'm gonna get
to is this really funny equity Language guide.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Which I thought was hilarious that she talks about in there.
But I didn't know this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
The Sierra Club got to the point where they had
two people on fighting the Trump administration on anwar and
one hundred and eight people on DEI initiatives, and it
was talking about that that imbalance of core mission to
internal politics that have been problematic for Sierra Club.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
But they came out with this guide.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Now I went and found the guide and was thumbing
through it, and it gives all these things you shouldn't
say and what to say instead, like don't say pull
the trigger, you should instead say go for it. Don't
use locked and loaded instead try ready to go. Don't

(01:15:41):
say bulletproof, say guaranteed to succeed. Smoking gun should be
incontrovertible evidence or the damning facts of the case. Don't
use chokehold.

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
That's twice that twice this episode that you've pronounced uh
damn that way? Are you doing that in jes damning?
That's how you correctly pronounced that word.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Well, hot damn is d a m n.

Speaker 7 (01:16:14):
I know, but you don't hear the N when you
say hot damn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
But how do you say damning just like that? Damning? No,
you don't think it is that true.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
I thought you were.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
Damning damning evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Damn you damn damn listen, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I'd never say that in but in this context with
the N I don't say damning.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Damning. Yeah, is it truly a silent end? You guys
are right, I believe Anyways, I just think it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah, it's Oh because remember how they said someone said
that D Day was a day that will live an infamy. Yeah,
don't use that because that makes people feel like it's
military Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah. Instead you say history has its eyes on you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
This list is okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
One last news bit, maybe two. This is the this
is actual news. This, This is one of those This
is one of those news stories that makes its own gravy.
And this is Brody should be an expert on this
because he's from Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
In fact, Brody's one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Of many people that sent this to me. It's a
policy thing starting on January first, twenty twenty six, so
coming right up here in the state of Colorado, there
will be a bifurcation of how bison are legally treated. Now,

(01:17:52):
get this. This is a unanimous decision from what the Commission.

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
Yeah, the Commission and the Department of Bags involved too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
They have to be, so I might.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
I might start out by saying how it is in
other places. Let me give you how it is here
in the state of Montana, and I talk with this
all damn time. In the state of Montana, bison buffalo
are the only native animal that is not legally regarded

(01:18:28):
as a wild animal. They are legally classified as livestock. Okay,
Colorado has plenty of ranches, bison ranches, privately owned and
fenced bison herds. Starting on the first of the year.
I'll get into what this aal means in a minute,
but starting on the first of the year, there will

(01:18:50):
be privately owned and fence bison herds. Okay, they will
continue to be listed as livestock. But starting on that
day forward, if a free ranging bison enters the state
of Colorado from a neighboring state.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
Or if they establish themselves eventually, oh well, but if
they don't walk in, well I'm saying, like and stay
or there's a reintroduction or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Sure, Okay, is that true?

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Yeah, I think go ahead and finish, But I'll say
why I think it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Well, my understanding is the wording is free ranging bison
that naturally enter the state from neighboring areas.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
So not reintroduction yet.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Become de facto, become day facto wildlife when they enter
the state. I want to talk more about where that's
not true because this is all hypothetical in Colorado because
it hasn't happened yet. But it's very interesting because it couldn't.
I'll get to that in a minute. It could happen,
and this is why that's cool that they did that
in Montana. So when when a when a buffalo leaves

(01:20:05):
Yellstone National Park and crosses the invisible to them invisible
border and enters the state, we go, what you just
stop being wildlife there, buddy, and they can shoot you,
round you up, load you up, send you to slaughter
whatever the hell they want. They don't have to honor
it as wildlife, but they always point to south to people.

(01:20:28):
If a grizzly bear, a wolf, a wolverine, a big
horn sheep, a mountain go elk, a mule deer, a
white tailed deer, a black bear, that could go on
all day, any of those things crosses that boundary and
walks into Montana, that's some bitches wildlife. If he's a buffalo.
He's not he's livestock, which means they they're preventing them

(01:20:50):
from ever getting onto public land as wildlife because they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
They don't. They don't.

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
They can't legally be wildlife and private land as wildlie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah and private land.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
And there's management levers that they want to be able
to pull.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, they used to shoot them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
They used to just flat out like they used to
flat out Department of Livestock would sit there and flat
out shoot them roll and then public pressure led them
to be that. Now they have hunts for the tribes,
they have public draw hunts, but still they are not
allowed to just come and hang.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
Yeah, and there's a line in the sand where like
if they get past all the hunters, you know, they
get killed by whatever Department of Livestock.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
So Colorado, say what you want about them down in
Colorado for bringing wolves in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
And not letting them walk in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
If I was Colorado, if I was the Emperor of Colorado,
I would have not done the I would have not
done the reintroduction, and ould have waited till they walked
in on their own four feet, which was happening anyways, So.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Anyways, out of waited on this. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
No one's talking about a reintroduction effort. Maybe they will,
but the groundwork is set now. And why they're getting
at this is over in Utah. There's a book Cliff's Herd.
Utah has that like the Henry Mountains, Utah has a
couple of free ranging wild herds of buffalo and these
book cliff ones are a genetic had said, even get

(01:22:18):
into that they're genetically peer, which that whole conversation, in
my mind is a lot of bs, meaning people that
don't like the animals will delegitimize certain herds of them
by saying that they're like not genetically peer.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
They have cattled some remnin.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Yeah, like like some if you take a blood sample
from for instance, if you go to the north rim
of the Grand Canyon in Arizona on Grand Canyon National
Park where there's buffalo that run wild, and the park
service down there doesn't like them. Generally speaking, they tolerate
them kind of. They would say, oh, the problem is

(01:22:57):
they're not genetically peer. But if you took one hundred
Americans and said and showed them one of those animals
and said, hey, what is that?

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Listen?

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
One hundred but go, that's a bison. They just are,
but deep.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
In their history is like a little bit of cattle introgression,
and so people use that cattle introgression bs to like
delegitimize certain populations. Yeah, well it's not really a bison,
so it's like, let's get rid of them.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
So with this situation, the books Cliffs ones occasionally.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Do walk across into Colorado, so they're set in the
groundwork that as those book Cliffs ones drift into Colorado,
it's up to fishing. It's up to Colorado Fishing parks
to determine what happens to it. Parks and wildlife parks
and wildlife can go no, cool, they're cool, they're cool.
Don't mess them as wildlife. If you want to hunt them,

(01:23:59):
you're gonna have to draw tag, right, you can't just
shoot them as arrant livestock.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
And it would allow them to manage CPW to manage
them if they did, like a herd established himself eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Yeah, it is very much a step in the right direction.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
Yeah, in my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
And and just to show you not even biases, I'm
like open about this all the time. I am of
the opinion, like categorically of the opinion that we could be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
We could have a lot more buffalo bison.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
I don't care what you want to call them. We
could have a lot more buffalo on the landscape for
people to see, for people to hunt. It's like, it's
just time to get this going, and this is a
step in the right direction. I would love to see this.
This I would love to see in my own state.
I would love to see them Montana. The same attitude.

(01:24:56):
If it walks in, if it's a wild an animal
and it walks in on its own four feet, it's
a wild animal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Cut the tape, Phil, We're not moving.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
On another one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I want to get into this Michigan thing, but it's
like a long time thing to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Let's go. We gotta bite him at the bottom.

Speaker 7 (01:25:22):
Though, yeap sweepstakes, which I didn't know about. I might
even apply for this by five tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Oh you know what I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
He's sweet go to Steve's but couldn't eat dinner bench.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
At the office. We should have put this up front.
I yes, yes, you know what, Phil, Let's put it
up front.

Speaker 7 (01:25:48):
If you win, you're not allowed to go to Steve's
house and say that to him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
From now until December twenty ninth for running to sweep Steaks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
This should have really been up top.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
You know what I'm gonna you're you're gonna say this thing.
I'm going to copy and paste it right up front
and then reason why.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Okay, And then when you're sitting here listening out holder.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
People will get to the end and hear you say, Hey, Phil,
and you've already.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Heard me say this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Duh, I already said it. We're running to sweep steaks
from now until December twenty ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
This is a hell of a sweep Steaks deal. What
you get, you get a trip to Bozeman.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
So we cover round trip airfare for for you and
three friends or family members, so a total of four people.
We cover your airfare, your lodging, and your car. You
stay two nights in town. I cook dinner. We'll do
it here at our at our at our headquarters kitchen,
and I'll get some of the guys to help out
some of the I'll just put out all company for helpers.

(01:26:52):
We will cook you a mini course meal. I will
serve it to you personally. We will give you a
one thousand dollar gift card to our retail store on
Main Street. You know, don't even to throw this out there,
and we'll arrange for you to go down there privately
if you'd like, you can go down there after hours
with Alec.

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
Do they get to pick when they come out or
do you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Have like you know what I mean, Alex Zimmers.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Do they get or is it a specific time?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
No, We'll pick a time that works for them. We'll
pick a mutually agreeable time. You and three of your friends,
three family members, whatever, We pay your airfare, you come out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
You gotta come from America, you do. Canadians cannot do this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Listen, raffle and sweep steaks laws Byzantine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
You gotta be in America, jump Montana. Never mind.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
The new driver's license deal cracks me up. If like,
if you get a new driver's license, if you're like American,
you get an eagle on your driver's license.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
So now the new driver's license will qualify for the
for the proper I D for flying.

Speaker 8 (01:28:09):
Do you mean a naturalized citizen?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
I believe American.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
I believe they just passed the state law that if
you're like a citizen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
You get an eagle too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Oh I see, No, we already have real ID, They
just kept postponing because of the pandemic. I've been real
ID for a while anyhow. Now I'm getting my new
one with an American eagle.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
On it, which I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Keep out of my wallet to show people proudly just
y'ah come from America. Okay, I'm getting to the rules.
Why did someone scratch the rules out?

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
Fine?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Go for the rules.

Speaker 7 (01:28:44):
I scratched them.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
I thought it would be like a little too.

Speaker 7 (01:28:48):
Yeah, you know those aren't the rules. You already went
over all that good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Scratch.

Speaker 7 (01:28:55):
How do you enter, Steve? How?

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
How is one eligible for such a giveaway?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Did I say round trip? Yeah, airfare, lodging, rental car,
dinner cooked here by me, one thousand dollars gift card
one k Alex Zimmer I'm volunteering him, will give you
private access to the store.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
The worst actor in the company.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
That means, you know he'll be telling you the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
But one of the finest dogs that is this company has.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Probably the I haven't told him. This probably the worst
actor we've ever hired.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
He won't try and sell you something you don't need.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
No, you can trust this guy because me and Randall
tried to get him to act.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Yeah, he's straight as an arrow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
There's no concerns. Yeah, if he tells you something, it's
the truth. You should try to give him couple.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Of pointers film. I try to give him some tips.

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
I'll try.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
You know, for how often you talked to me about
me doing plays. I've never once been asked to act
in any sort of skit or any sort of commercial
done at this company.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
You've done acting?

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
I have not. I did.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
I did the Christmas videos, but that was a shocking. Phil,
I've cast you in two plays on Radio Live.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Give me two roles.

Speaker 7 (01:30:15):
I greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
Instagram social skips, Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
I'm working on them from Russ three times now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Yeah, we're filming one tomorrow. We didn't cast filling it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:26):
We might be filming to tomorrow. I'll get make sure
it fills in. On the second one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
I got cast. Randall's cast, and Brandon got cast. She's
missus Claus.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
So I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Someone's thinking, well, they're not just gonna call me up
and give it to me, and you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
You gotta go online. This is grossly oversimplified. Unless simple,
that's what I got. Listen, go to first Light.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I'm not gonna tell you the rules because I think
there's a way to enter, Like there's a way to
enter free, and there's a way to boost your entries, right, but.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
We have to tell them how to enter.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Go to first light dot com so you'll see something
about sweepstakes. I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
I believe there's a way to enter free, which you
have to do in sweepstakes law. And then for every
hundred bucks you spend at first Light, you get five entries.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
So does a rub. There's a rub you can. Like
everything in life, the affluent will be favored.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I can't help it. They tend to spend more money.
I don't know. I'm not making it up, don't you agree?

Speaker 7 (01:31:55):
Yeah, ending on a hard truth. Well, I'm sorry you
had to hear that twice.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
I guess maybe you clean it up, make it sound
more optimistic on the first one.

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
Yeah, sure, yea.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
A hundred bucks gets you five entries, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Yeah, anybody can afford that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Twenty bucks a ticket, plus you're spending that money on
something you wanted to buy anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Yeah, Rand wanted to come to Baman he'd just fly
himself out here.

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
Random blows ten times out every year at the Sportsman's
Expo looking for tags.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
Yeah yeah, this might be one of the higher odds
entries you'll get in this tag season, the strong season.

Speaker 7 (01:32:33):
We have lots of quarter zips for probably right at
one hundred bucks, a little bit under one hundred bucks,
maybe a little bit over one hundred bucks. Quarter zips
are the thing this holiday season for men. So if
you're looking for quarter zips, go to First Light.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
My kids told me the opposite. They've hit peak quarter zip.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
They told me, because people they think it's people trying
to look They think it's people trying to look studious.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
That's their take on it. I can see that they're thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Of like a sweater, Yeah, like a formal sweater, not
like a not like Marino bass layer quarter zip.

Speaker 7 (01:33:14):
No, but I could see a kiln quarter zip being
dressed down for a drink at the bar, or being
dressed up for a job interview.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Sure, okay, so that's what you gotta do.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
A little collar underneath that thing like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Big old dinner, big old dinner, shop and spree with
Alex the Alex the actor as what we call him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Uh, first light dot com. Check it out while you're
there to pick up a f up old truck's calendar.
We're getting out of the calendar business. This is your
last chance ever to get a calendar. I swear I
will never make another calendar.

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Will you let me want if I could.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
I'm walking away from calendars. Why it's too fickle of
a business. Who'd have thought the print calendar would fade out?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
We tried to run that way while we could. People
like it or not are moving away from PreK.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
The only takeaway I got from last year's calendar was
that we didn't make enough of them. Is that the expo.
I probably people come up to me the Hunt Expo
wondering if we had extra calendars there, and I took
I took him off the walls of people around the
office and sent them to these people because I.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Think fed up old Shiitters was like as good as
you could do, as.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Good as you could do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
It's like Rocky four.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
It was like.

Speaker 7 (01:34:44):
Clay's mom.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Clay's mom would have two reasons to wash his mouth out.
It was so if you said the name.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Of that calendar, we just need to get more around
old trucks. I wanted to do old Fisherman. F up
old Fisherman. I'm done. I'm out of the business.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
I was looking forward to be in that calendar.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Out of the business.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
You mark my words if you want a calendar. And
this is not a sales ploy, but I'll point out
if you were to want one of our calendars now
we're never sucker. Yeah, I'm not saying it because of salesmanship.
Done done done, don't the business. It's a fickle business.
People are moving away. Me and Brody's wagon wheel went
business went tits up too.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
Yep, land speculation business that didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Check we had a little check business, print checks, our
mailbox business is slowing down.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Oil lamps, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Sitting on gallons of whale oil. Yeah, and now the
print calendar thing's slowing down. But we're pretty optimistic about
our VHS.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
We're investing heavily in VHS technology.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Coal furnaces.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Oh, you know the farm that had the field that
had the goose missing its bill? I noticed he heats
a coal, big old bucket of coal. He had a
big metal tub next to his stove full of coal.
I feel like he must have his own coal scene.
I won't be surprised these guy's own coal scene. That

(01:36:18):
was cool to see.

Speaker 7 (01:36:19):
Yeah, I wouldn't know where you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
Said that guy was. Yeah, we drove off.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Do you know what that guy was heating with? And
they're so young they saw they didn't know what they
were looking at. I said that big tub, like with
the rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
I was like, that's that dude's coal. Man, dude's with coal.
That's cool right right in the living room, big bucket.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
I just wondered if that would work in one of
those titanium um.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Seek stoves camp stove.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Yeah, a couple of those in there.

Speaker 7 (01:36:49):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
All right, I peel, you can probably turn it off
anytime now, man, this is all

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
For own amusement.

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