July 25, 2024 • 19 mins
Loft Meeting! Today, we have one agenda. We come together as a fandom to break down this defining moment in sitcom history. Yes, the first time Jess and Nick kissed!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Everybody we know.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Lof meeting love meeting.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
We are calling a very special smoochable loft meeting. We're
talking about cooler, cooler, cooler kiss. Okay, we this is
all about you, guys, the fans, because we know how
much this moment and this kiss meant to you. So
we're going to kick it off with an incredible voice
(00:49):
note from a friend.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Kiss.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's like the playfulness, the like love and friendship between
those characters that you see on screen before the kiss
actually takes place, really just clicks in and you realize
that it's chemistry like it's on screen chemistry before, and
you think, oh, best, such good friends, Like this is
such a like I love watching these characters just being
made for each other and all of the characters being
(01:15):
friends with each other. But when you see the kiss,
it like transforms all those earlier scenes, and when you
go back and watch them, you just realize how these
two characters are like piney for each other, but they
almost don't even know it themselves, and it just becomes
it's like one episode, it just clicks into place and
you're like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Also, of the most.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Well matched screen characters I've ever seen it. It so
comes out in that kiss, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I could listen to her read the phone book, who's
that and we're distracted, We're distracted to you A beautiful voice.
Beautiful voice. Well, thank you for that. I feel the
same way. I do feel a lot of people feel
that way, which was like something like turned after that
episode in terms of the show. They're like, Oh, you're
(02:00):
not going by this old formula where you're just gonna
like tease this thing for like seven seasons and then
the payoff at the end of the series as they
get together. This is going to be like a normal
relationship of people in their twenties, and that's gonna be messy.
And I think that really did change like the or
like up does Elevated does as a show.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It must have been powerful because it definitely overshadowed another
kiss and that and that no one talks about. And
it sucks that those two happened to happen in the
same episode, because you know, it would what I wanted
to have.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I know which cause you're talking about I know, I know,
I know. Then Nick and Schmidt kiss that happened at
the end of the episode is that right, That's that's
what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Oh, D word A word. I'm trying to stop swearing.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh I'm proud of you. I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah. Well shit, let's jump into some of these questions.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Okay, So all right, Amy, Amy. The Kiss. This is
what Amy wrote to us, The Kiss. I wish you
could have Zoe and Jake on for this recap, since
the legacy of the kiss carries on. The build up
overall between Nick and Jess was pure perfection, and the
kiss put it over the top. The shock value, the passion,
the perfection. I remember watching it by myself with my
kids asleep upstairs and wanting to scream, but settling for
(03:27):
pacing around my living room and then rewinding it to
watch it again. So one of those moments I wish
I could watch again for the first time, but I've
settled for rewatching it an embarrassing number of times. I
also think, and made the whole world fall more in
love with Nick Miller than they already were, and solidified
Jake Johnson as not only an amazing comedic actor, but
a killer romantic lead. The beauty of New Girl is
(03:48):
that a character like Nick who very much doesn't have
everything altogether, a lot of the time is capable of
becoming anything with a little confidence and getting out of
his own way, including the romantic here in this case.
And what a powerful example to lean on in our lives.
Oh oh life lessons like lessons from a naughty kiss
(04:11):
in a game.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You got kids, go slow down.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know what I did wonder is after I like
rewatching rewatching that kiss was like, Wow, that really sets
the bar. It's like an unrealistic thing to sit there
and be like your friend and you're hoping that they
know how you feel about them, and thinking that they're
going to just like Wanda to just like grab you
and take you and kiss you and they and you know.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know why it doesn't happen like that because because
the risk, the risk is so greater than the reward.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That's exactly right, Like if it don't go right, that's right, friends, No,
that's that's also right. There's a lot on the line,
so you know, like consent checking in figuring it out,
which know it's not TV and TV. He could kind
of do the thing with Doctor Sam the thin board,
(05:08):
applywood away and get around with it all.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And you don't just go wrong. You just don't be
grabbing people and kissing people.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Don't be grabbing people and kissing them but on a show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Wow, imagine me at the mall and I see somebody
I like, and I'm be like, it's gonna be so
romantic when I just grabbed this strange woman by the
shoulders and just kiss her. I don't go on to prison.
Just don't lock me up in prison with some wild people.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Trying to describe it to the judge. So I watched
the episode of New Girl.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Have you seen have you seen?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He's like? I did see it? Actually, never mind, never
you let it go?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Let him go?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh Hannah, the next one from Hannah, can you beat it?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Okay? First of all, I am loving the podcast. I
am so glad it is back. We are too. I've
been watching New Girl from the beginning and I literally
haven't stopped since. I've lost count of how many times
I've watched Through Girl because I just have it playing
around the clock. I love it too. This episode in
particular is one of the best for so many reasons.
(06:10):
The kiss is obviously one of them. I mean, it
was tender but firm, and he was a man and
almost a woman. Those are the perfect ways to describe it.
I look forward to it every time I rewatch. The
timing is just right. You're still laughing from how painful
(06:30):
it was watching them try to kiss for the game,
and then it just surprises you. Right at the end
of the episode, I get all excited and giddy for
them all over again. The way they are so dang goofy,
paired with the sincerity of Nick's kiss, you understand why
it was so hard for him to just suck it up.
And French are a little Another reason this episode is
(06:53):
so amazing is because Winston's e Girl, what that dang do?
Is quoted?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Okay, the funniest lines ever, And that had to be improvised.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, it was sure, nay write that. I came up
with that. It has to be quoted on a regular
basis in my home. My husband and I burst out
laughing anytime we rewatch it or when one of us
says it. It's just the best. Was it scripted or improvised? Hannipe?
I improvised that moment, Yes, because I do it again.
(07:22):
I actually wrote it, and not actually I didn't write anything.
I wrote it in the episode that I wrote. I
think I just improvised it in that moment as well.
That's just something that I like to say. I shot
at what that thing do, but I don't actually say
it in person. I don't say it in real life.
It was weird.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It fits the moment perfectly. I'm just struggling to find
something to say that's cool and casual, and Brenda song
is so funny and she's just like, no, whatever that is,
don't do that anything but that mm my next was
from Caitlin. When filming the episode or reading the script,
did they know or realize that this episode is going
to be one of the ones that really stuck with fans.
(07:58):
Music's played such an important art and shows, and there
have been incredible needle drop moments in the series, like
green Light during the elevator kiss. What did you think
about the choice to include no music behind Jess and
Nick's first kiss. What were their reactions to reading the
script for the first time? Did they know that the
kiss was coming? Caitlin, Well, Caitlyn, listen if you go
and listen to the cooler recap episode. We dive all
(08:21):
the way into this because I actually found the table draft.
So the one that we were given before the studio
and the network had a chance to really dive into it.
And then the production draft which is the one that
we shoot with, and there was no kiss in the
table draft, and then there was a kiss in the
production draft, so a lot of things changed. I personally,
a new girl, You're right, has incredible choice in music
(08:42):
and how they pair the music and news music. I
think such an element of surprise was so important in
this kiss. The fact that they didn't do that little
music manipulation to get you ready for it is one
of the reasons why it was so powerful and why
was you just felt so shocked, And I think it
actually worked.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You didn't need the music. I think the music would
have taken away from it if you wanted. You wanted
fans to feel like it just came from out of nowhere. Yeah,
And a lot of times music can set stuff up,
or music can tell you how to feel. Yes, you
don't really want it to be that didactic.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You want to just so well, do I feel oh
also didactic?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
What about it?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, Oh, you didn't know I'd be wording out here.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I was gonna say this. I've known you for over
a decade. I've never heard you say the word didactic,
And do you know how my brain works as a woman,
I go, what smart woman is he hanging out with
that used the word didactic? And he's like, I'm going
to be didactating all over the place. I'm going to
be using it here, I'm music there, I have this word.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
This beautiful woman.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Taught me this word, just saying I've been dating on
the armist lately.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, Matfest, Manifest, Manifest.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I gotta put it out there. I gotta put it
out there.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, all right, yeah there. But the reactions are reading
the script for the first time, there was no kiss,
there was nothing to react too, so they didn't know
what was coming. And I think that there's an old
interview from a decade ago where Jake Johnson talks about
how when he finally gets the production draft, like we're
on the day going in there to shoot, and he's like, ooh,
all right with Brooklyn Decker, this is gonna be a
(10:18):
fun like episode to shoot and the hook and then
at the end he's like, wait what yeah, what I
get hold up, what's happening? Yeah, So I think it
was a big reaction, but It wasn't in like when
we were reading the scripts like we usually did around
a table in front of everybody. It was like privately,
like in our dressing room before we're going to actually
(10:40):
shoot it a day. Pretty sure?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah? Now, Chandra, Chandra, Chandra, what do you think I'm
gonna go? Chandra? You're right?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
When Schmid, Holly, Nick, and Jess are deciding who should
go behind the iron curtain to kiss, Nick clearly tells
Holly to pick the number two, and the just chooses
the number two. Do you think she intends did that?
Do you think they're pretending to be upset about it
when they yell?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Know?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
What do you think gave Nick the courage slash motivation
to kiss Jess? Do you think they well, there's a
lot of questions. Do you think had they not been
forced to kiss during True American it wouldn't have happened?
There's so many amazing quotable LUNs in this episode. Do
you have a favorite or most memorable one? Was it
in the script to have Max faint? I think one
of the questions that we didn't get into on the
recap is do you think had they not been forced
(11:28):
to kiss during True American, it wouldn't have happened. And
here's what I will say, in that safety of the game,
like Love Island, like I talked about on the recap episode,
I think in the safety of the game where like
it doesn't count, they could kind of explore and test
like the electricity between them in it. And I think
(11:49):
they were shocked that they both had it and it
was mutual because they're not often alone in its scenario
talking about being physically intimate, when do you do that
with your friend? And here they were, and they both
could feel in their own bodies. You could see like
I really want to do this, Oh gosh. And I
think that the true American game like exposed that the
(12:12):
kiss happened out of the game. So but I don't
think without the true American game, they it would have
taken a lot longer for it to happen. They almost
play with it, that's right.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The American And that's all right. If you don't know
what fluffer means, go ahead and google it Google fluffer.
Don't just keep it, keep it there, put your safe
search filter on Google Fluffer.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And wasn't in the script to have Max faint. We
didn't address that in the recap episode either, I feel
like they probably did the faint.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Slap fall down in the bar we talked about that.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think he did that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think he did that too. I also think, by
the way, because this happened a lot of new girls,
I think we'd probably done a few takes and then
he did that, and that usually when some big, broad,
funny comedy moment that could be a good cut point,
they would be like, we got it. And I think
they knew enough then to know, like, if you do
(13:15):
like the dance we talked about dancing in the recap episode,
doing something big and silly and physical, sometimes we'll get
you out of a scene. And that faint I bet
you he only did once and that was probably the
last take, and they were like, we got it, and
they would finally move on. That's my guess.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I'm gonna go ahead and say your guess is probably
ninety nine percent correct.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'll take that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, let's see what else do we have in this one.
There's a few questions wrapped into this one. There's so
many amazing quotable lines from this episode. Do you have
a favorite or most memorable one? We talked about this
before I do. When Schmid asks, no, my favorite in
this okay, I know my favorite wasn't. When she's talking
about the curtains in the place whispers crips. That's so
(14:03):
funny to me, I will I might get crips tattooed
on mine. Now, that's probably a good idea.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Just blue curtains. Just get a set a blue curtains.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You can get a set of blue curtains. Those who know, no,
you know what I'm saying. If you know, you know,
oh bad? Yeah, her crips line was my favorite in
this episode.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
My favorite, I think, just because I know it was
a moment that was improvised after a long day, was
when Jake looks at you and says, dance dummy, and
I made the show. I don't know why. It's very
few moments I get where I get. I realize how
lucky I am to rewatch the show. And that's just
insider lemourne Max Jake knowledge, which is why it's so
(14:43):
cool to do this podcast. And we get to tell everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
M hmm. We get to share our little secrets. Okay,
Moving on Ashley, where intimacy coordinator is a thing. During
all this and if so, were they ever used on set?
Was the kiss just freestyled by Zoe and Jake or
was it choreographed? This is my favorite episode, so I
have so many questions. Ah, I love you both, Hannah
(15:06):
and Lamar. We just talked about this a little bit
ago in the recap of the Cooler episode. I don't
believe intimacy coordinators were a thing they.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Network Comedy Kiss. I don't think they were bringing on
an intimacy coordinator. I feel like back then, a decade ago,
maybe if you had, like you're in a drama or
a movie and it was like a sex scene or
something that in corporated some violence with intimacy or something.
But I don't think, you know, like a comedy smooch
would have had all of a sudden that whole team
(15:37):
kind of come out.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, because it's a whole thing to get an intimacy coordinator.
Now they're busy, they're so busy being intimate. So and no,
the kiss wasn't freestyled by Jake and Zoe. They didn't
just let's just kiss.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
There's a lot of This is a huge part of
our storyline for the show. So I'm sure it was
like I know that. I think Liz's on an interview
where she's like, I really wanted it to feel like
messy and organic and whatever. And so I'm sure they
did it a few different times in different levels, and
they did it wide and they did it close up,
(16:20):
and so that they kind of could you know, give
you all the best one that kind of made you
feel all the feels, which we qushed it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So no, they didn't just throw that out there.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's reality show, Okay. Our last question is from We
got so many questions by the way about this kiss
for Cooler, so thank you. Please keep them coming after
every episode. Any burning questions you have will always do
our best to answer. So Natalia, well, this kiss is
so perfect that it has ruined every romantic moment I
have had. Oh my god, I just talked about this.
Does it set the bar? It's just the perfect first kiss. Also,
(17:00):
you guys said in the episode with Jake that his
archetype is not hot, et cetera, and I was like,
what Jake is hot? A f Natalia? Natalia has the
type and it's Jake in a Big Bears or Chicago
hoodie with crocks, and you know what, get.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It go ahead, get it girl. You like sad men?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Is this Brooklyn Decker's character? Is this Holloween?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Is very interesting? Very very interesting. Yeah. You know, Jake
talks about him in his personal life how he was
never cast as the hot guy or anything like that
when he was first coming up as an actor, and
we talked about I think we talked about this on
our interview with Jake. I know I've spoken to him
about it on numerous occasions because it's funny how life
turns around. But he did a Tampon commercial where he
(17:49):
was the before guy in a tam Park commercial. So
you're right, Jake has transformed into one of the hottest
hot guys on planet Earth. Shout out to Jake Johnson
being to Cruise. When they rank them, they go Bradley Pitt,
(18:10):
you know, Denzel, they go Jake Johnson, they go like.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You go like full names, Bradley Pitt, Thomas Cruise, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Johnson, Jake Lee Johnson, Jake Jerome Johnson. Thank you, Natalia,
Thank you for that question. Thank you to all of
you for your questions again in particular for this one.
Go back, re listen to the rewatch rewatch the episode.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
A lot of dirt, a lot of dirt. We share
on that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, so please
make sure you join us Tuesday to recap season two
episode sixteen, Table thirty four.
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One of my favorite episodes, Table thirty four. Love that episode, Yeah, story.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Lof meeting love meeting.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
We are calling a very special smoochable loft meeting. We're
talking about cooler, cooler, cooler kiss. Okay, we this is
all about you, guys, the fans, because we know how
much this moment and this kiss meant to you. So
we're going to kick it off with an incredible voice
(00:49):
note from a friend.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Kiss.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's like the playfulness, the like love and friendship between
those characters that you see on screen before the kiss
actually takes place, really just clicks in and you realize
that it's chemistry like it's on screen chemistry before, and
you think, oh, best, such good friends, Like this is
such a like I love watching these characters just being
made for each other and all of the characters being
(01:15):
friends with each other. But when you see the kiss,
it like transforms all those earlier scenes, and when you
go back and watch them, you just realize how these
two characters are like piney for each other, but they
almost don't even know it themselves, and it just becomes
it's like one episode, it just clicks into place and
you're like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Also, of the most.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Well matched screen characters I've ever seen it. It so
comes out in that kiss, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I could listen to her read the phone book, who's
that and we're distracted, We're distracted to you A beautiful voice.
Beautiful voice. Well, thank you for that. I feel the
same way. I do feel a lot of people feel
that way, which was like something like turned after that
episode in terms of the show. They're like, Oh, you're
(02:00):
not going by this old formula where you're just gonna
like tease this thing for like seven seasons and then
the payoff at the end of the series as they
get together. This is going to be like a normal
relationship of people in their twenties, and that's gonna be messy.
And I think that really did change like the or
like up does Elevated does as a show.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It must have been powerful because it definitely overshadowed another
kiss and that and that no one talks about. And
it sucks that those two happened to happen in the
same episode, because you know, it would what I wanted
to have.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I know which cause you're talking about I know, I know,
I know. Then Nick and Schmidt kiss that happened at
the end of the episode is that right, That's that's
what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Oh, D word A word. I'm trying to stop swearing.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh I'm proud of you. I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah. Well shit, let's jump into some of these questions.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Okay, So all right, Amy, Amy. The Kiss. This is
what Amy wrote to us, The Kiss. I wish you
could have Zoe and Jake on for this recap, since
the legacy of the kiss carries on. The build up
overall between Nick and Jess was pure perfection, and the
kiss put it over the top. The shock value, the passion,
the perfection. I remember watching it by myself with my
kids asleep upstairs and wanting to scream, but settling for
(03:27):
pacing around my living room and then rewinding it to
watch it again. So one of those moments I wish
I could watch again for the first time, but I've
settled for rewatching it an embarrassing number of times. I
also think, and made the whole world fall more in
love with Nick Miller than they already were, and solidified
Jake Johnson as not only an amazing comedic actor, but
a killer romantic lead. The beauty of New Girl is
(03:48):
that a character like Nick who very much doesn't have
everything altogether, a lot of the time is capable of
becoming anything with a little confidence and getting out of
his own way, including the romantic here in this case.
And what a powerful example to lean on in our lives.
Oh oh life lessons like lessons from a naughty kiss
(04:11):
in a game.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You got kids, go slow down.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know what I did wonder is after I like
rewatching rewatching that kiss was like, Wow, that really sets
the bar. It's like an unrealistic thing to sit there
and be like your friend and you're hoping that they
know how you feel about them, and thinking that they're
going to just like Wanda to just like grab you
and take you and kiss you and they and you know.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know why it doesn't happen like that because because
the risk, the risk is so greater than the reward.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That's exactly right, Like if it don't go right, that's right, friends, No,
that's that's also right. There's a lot on the line,
so you know, like consent checking in figuring it out,
which know it's not TV and TV. He could kind
of do the thing with Doctor Sam the thin board,
(05:08):
applywood away and get around with it all.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And you don't just go wrong. You just don't be
grabbing people and kissing people.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Don't be grabbing people and kissing them but on a show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Wow, imagine me at the mall and I see somebody
I like, and I'm be like, it's gonna be so
romantic when I just grabbed this strange woman by the
shoulders and just kiss her. I don't go on to prison.
Just don't lock me up in prison with some wild people.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Trying to describe it to the judge. So I watched
the episode of New Girl.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Have you seen have you seen?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He's like? I did see it? Actually, never mind, never
you let it go?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Let him go?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh Hannah, the next one from Hannah, can you beat it?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Okay? First of all, I am loving the podcast. I
am so glad it is back. We are too. I've
been watching New Girl from the beginning and I literally
haven't stopped since. I've lost count of how many times
I've watched Through Girl because I just have it playing
around the clock. I love it too. This episode in
particular is one of the best for so many reasons.
(06:10):
The kiss is obviously one of them. I mean, it
was tender but firm, and he was a man and
almost a woman. Those are the perfect ways to describe it.
I look forward to it every time I rewatch. The
timing is just right. You're still laughing from how painful
(06:30):
it was watching them try to kiss for the game,
and then it just surprises you. Right at the end
of the episode, I get all excited and giddy for
them all over again. The way they are so dang goofy,
paired with the sincerity of Nick's kiss, you understand why
it was so hard for him to just suck it up.
And French are a little Another reason this episode is
(06:53):
so amazing is because Winston's e Girl, what that dang do?
Is quoted?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Okay, the funniest lines ever, And that had to be improvised.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, it was sure, nay write that. I came up
with that. It has to be quoted on a regular
basis in my home. My husband and I burst out
laughing anytime we rewatch it or when one of us
says it. It's just the best. Was it scripted or improvised? Hannipe?
I improvised that moment, Yes, because I do it again.
(07:22):
I actually wrote it, and not actually I didn't write anything.
I wrote it in the episode that I wrote. I
think I just improvised it in that moment as well.
That's just something that I like to say. I shot
at what that thing do, but I don't actually say
it in person. I don't say it in real life.
It was weird.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It fits the moment perfectly. I'm just struggling to find
something to say that's cool and casual, and Brenda song
is so funny and she's just like, no, whatever that is,
don't do that anything but that mm my next was
from Caitlin. When filming the episode or reading the script,
did they know or realize that this episode is going
to be one of the ones that really stuck with fans.
(07:58):
Music's played such an important art and shows, and there
have been incredible needle drop moments in the series, like
green Light during the elevator kiss. What did you think
about the choice to include no music behind Jess and
Nick's first kiss. What were their reactions to reading the
script for the first time? Did they know that the
kiss was coming? Caitlin, Well, Caitlyn, listen if you go
and listen to the cooler recap episode. We dive all
(08:21):
the way into this because I actually found the table draft.
So the one that we were given before the studio
and the network had a chance to really dive into it.
And then the production draft which is the one that
we shoot with, and there was no kiss in the
table draft, and then there was a kiss in the
production draft, so a lot of things changed. I personally,
a new girl, You're right, has incredible choice in music
(08:42):
and how they pair the music and news music. I
think such an element of surprise was so important in
this kiss. The fact that they didn't do that little
music manipulation to get you ready for it is one
of the reasons why it was so powerful and why
was you just felt so shocked, And I think it
actually worked.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You didn't need the music. I think the music would
have taken away from it if you wanted. You wanted
fans to feel like it just came from out of nowhere. Yeah,
And a lot of times music can set stuff up,
or music can tell you how to feel. Yes, you
don't really want it to be that didactic.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You want to just so well, do I feel oh
also didactic?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
What about it?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, Oh, you didn't know I'd be wording out here.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I was gonna say this. I've known you for over
a decade. I've never heard you say the word didactic,
And do you know how my brain works as a woman,
I go, what smart woman is he hanging out with
that used the word didactic? And he's like, I'm going
to be didactating all over the place. I'm going to
be using it here, I'm music there, I have this word.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
This beautiful woman.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Taught me this word, just saying I've been dating on
the armist lately.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, Matfest, Manifest, Manifest.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I gotta put it out there. I gotta put it
out there.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay, all right, yeah there. But the reactions are reading
the script for the first time, there was no kiss,
there was nothing to react too, so they didn't know
what was coming. And I think that there's an old
interview from a decade ago where Jake Johnson talks about
how when he finally gets the production draft, like we're
on the day going in there to shoot, and he's like, ooh,
all right with Brooklyn Decker, this is gonna be a
(10:18):
fun like episode to shoot and the hook and then
at the end he's like, wait what yeah, what I
get hold up, what's happening? Yeah, So I think it
was a big reaction, but It wasn't in like when
we were reading the scripts like we usually did around
a table in front of everybody. It was like privately,
like in our dressing room before we're going to actually
(10:40):
shoot it a day. Pretty sure?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah? Now, Chandra, Chandra, Chandra, what do you think I'm
gonna go? Chandra? You're right?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
When Schmid, Holly, Nick, and Jess are deciding who should
go behind the iron curtain to kiss, Nick clearly tells
Holly to pick the number two, and the just chooses
the number two. Do you think she intends did that?
Do you think they're pretending to be upset about it
when they yell?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Know?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
What do you think gave Nick the courage slash motivation
to kiss Jess? Do you think they well, there's a
lot of questions. Do you think had they not been
forced to kiss during True American it wouldn't have happened?
There's so many amazing quotable LUNs in this episode. Do
you have a favorite or most memorable one? Was it
in the script to have Max faint? I think one
of the questions that we didn't get into on the
recap is do you think had they not been forced
(11:28):
to kiss during True American, it wouldn't have happened. And
here's what I will say, in that safety of the game,
like Love Island, like I talked about on the recap episode,
I think in the safety of the game where like
it doesn't count, they could kind of explore and test
like the electricity between them in it. And I think
(11:49):
they were shocked that they both had it and it
was mutual because they're not often alone in its scenario
talking about being physically intimate, when do you do that
with your friend? And here they were, and they both
could feel in their own bodies. You could see like
I really want to do this, Oh gosh. And I
think that the true American game like exposed that the
(12:12):
kiss happened out of the game. So but I don't
think without the true American game, they it would have
taken a lot longer for it to happen. They almost
play with it, that's right.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The American And that's all right. If you don't know
what fluffer means, go ahead and google it Google fluffer.
Don't just keep it, keep it there, put your safe
search filter on Google Fluffer.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And wasn't in the script to have Max faint. We
didn't address that in the recap episode either, I feel
like they probably did the faint.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Slap fall down in the bar we talked about that.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think he did that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think he did that too. I also think, by
the way, because this happened a lot of new girls,
I think we'd probably done a few takes and then
he did that, and that usually when some big, broad,
funny comedy moment that could be a good cut point,
they would be like, we got it. And I think
they knew enough then to know, like, if you do
(13:15):
like the dance we talked about dancing in the recap episode,
doing something big and silly and physical, sometimes we'll get
you out of a scene. And that faint I bet
you he only did once and that was probably the
last take, and they were like, we got it, and
they would finally move on. That's my guess.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I'm gonna go ahead and say your guess is probably
ninety nine percent correct.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'll take that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, let's see what else do we have in this one.
There's a few questions wrapped into this one. There's so
many amazing quotable lines from this episode. Do you have
a favorite or most memorable one? We talked about this
before I do. When Schmid asks, no, my favorite in
this okay, I know my favorite wasn't. When she's talking
about the curtains in the place whispers crips. That's so
(14:03):
funny to me, I will I might get crips tattooed
on mine. Now, that's probably a good idea.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Just blue curtains. Just get a set a blue curtains.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You can get a set of blue curtains. Those who know, no,
you know what I'm saying. If you know, you know,
oh bad? Yeah, her crips line was my favorite in
this episode.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
My favorite, I think, just because I know it was
a moment that was improvised after a long day, was
when Jake looks at you and says, dance dummy, and
I made the show. I don't know why. It's very
few moments I get where I get. I realize how
lucky I am to rewatch the show. And that's just
insider lemourne Max Jake knowledge, which is why it's so
(14:43):
cool to do this podcast. And we get to tell everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
M hmm. We get to share our little secrets. Okay,
Moving on Ashley, where intimacy coordinator is a thing. During
all this and if so, were they ever used on set?
Was the kiss just freestyled by Zoe and Jake or
was it choreographed? This is my favorite episode, so I
have so many questions. Ah, I love you both, Hannah
(15:06):
and Lamar. We just talked about this a little bit
ago in the recap of the Cooler episode. I don't
believe intimacy coordinators were a thing they.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Network Comedy Kiss. I don't think they were bringing on
an intimacy coordinator. I feel like back then, a decade ago,
maybe if you had, like you're in a drama or
a movie and it was like a sex scene or
something that in corporated some violence with intimacy or something.
But I don't think, you know, like a comedy smooch
would have had all of a sudden that whole team
(15:37):
kind of come out.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, because it's a whole thing to get an intimacy coordinator.
Now they're busy, they're so busy being intimate. So and no,
the kiss wasn't freestyled by Jake and Zoe. They didn't
just let's just kiss.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
There's a lot of This is a huge part of
our storyline for the show. So I'm sure it was
like I know that. I think Liz's on an interview
where she's like, I really wanted it to feel like
messy and organic and whatever. And so I'm sure they
did it a few different times in different levels, and
they did it wide and they did it close up,
(16:20):
and so that they kind of could you know, give
you all the best one that kind of made you
feel all the feels, which we qushed it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So no, they didn't just throw that out there.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's reality show, Okay. Our last question is from We
got so many questions by the way about this kiss
for Cooler, so thank you. Please keep them coming after
every episode. Any burning questions you have will always do
our best to answer. So Natalia, well, this kiss is
so perfect that it has ruined every romantic moment I
have had. Oh my god, I just talked about this.
Does it set the bar? It's just the perfect first kiss. Also,
(17:00):
you guys said in the episode with Jake that his
archetype is not hot, et cetera, and I was like,
what Jake is hot? A f Natalia? Natalia has the
type and it's Jake in a Big Bears or Chicago
hoodie with crocks, and you know what, get.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It go ahead, get it girl. You like sad men?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Is this Brooklyn Decker's character? Is this Holloween?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Is very interesting? Very very interesting. Yeah. You know, Jake
talks about him in his personal life how he was
never cast as the hot guy or anything like that
when he was first coming up as an actor, and
we talked about I think we talked about this on
our interview with Jake. I know I've spoken to him
about it on numerous occasions because it's funny how life
turns around. But he did a Tampon commercial where he
(17:49):
was the before guy in a tam Park commercial. So
you're right, Jake has transformed into one of the hottest
hot guys on planet Earth. Shout out to Jake Johnson
being to Cruise. When they rank them, they go Bradley Pitt,
(18:10):
you know, Denzel, they go Jake Johnson, they go like.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You go like full names, Bradley Pitt, Thomas Cruise, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Johnson, Jake Lee Johnson, Jake Jerome Johnson. Thank you, Natalia,
Thank you for that question. Thank you to all of
you for your questions again in particular for this one.
Go back, re listen to the rewatch rewatch the episode.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
A lot of dirt, a lot of dirt. We share
on that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, so please
make sure you join us Tuesday to recap season two
episode sixteen, Table thirty four.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
One of my favorite episodes, Table thirty four. Love that episode, Yeah, story.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And my cheek, So please do us a favor. Go
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(19:18):
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