December 8, 2025 • 20 mins
Ashley checks in with some of our favorite Goldens, Joan, Susan, and Kathy to hear about their holiday plans.
Did they see the Kat and Dale breakup coming? And Joan clears the air on her status with Chock.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, I am here with three of probably probably
the three most popular epic goldens we've ever had. Kathy, Susan,
and Joan. Welcome to the podcast. So fun. You guys
all look younger than ever right now, professional professional makeup.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
With each other.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh. I was gonna say, Kathy, do you have a day?
Because I know Ben was working on that.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
You know what, Ben failed?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No, No, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We still have a little time.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
It's still going to bemen.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Women women, Susan, Kathy. When we were last together in September,
we were going to see the Jonas Brothers. Unfortunately, there's
nobody as hot performing at jingle Ball tonight. Would you agree?
Not even close?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't even know half the bad name jon gets it?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
She said, there's no one close, So you agree they're
super not even close?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Well, first of all, I feel so like old right now.
But I don't know. I think I only knew two.
I think I only knew who to the performers are.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
The rest of them, I don't know who they are.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm living to my grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
They all love k pop, so I cannot yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
And kid Leroy, but other than I don't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So I'm going to make you feel younger at thirty seven,
I don't know anyone.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I don't know. Okay, good and you're young.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Imagine how you're.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
We're a testament to the lineup. This is a testament
to the fact that, like when you're thirty plus, you
like check out.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Wait a minute, we are all thirty plus, all together
in the same boat.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Relating to the fact that I heard that there's like
this stuff that you kind of stop discovering new music
around thirty Okay, that happens, you don't know. I don't
mean like new songs to me, I've like cut off
my artists. It's kind of like I know that the
music that I like, and I know who I'm gonna
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go to when they come out with a new album.
But I'm not gonna, like.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
You understand, for us, we would not know who Taylor
Swift is that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You can.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
There's you can't ignore, like Taylor Swift, But then there's
all those auxiliary ones you don't have to embrace anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I use the Shazam app when I like a song
and I discover a new artist.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, Jazam, that's basically where I get all of my
new music from.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I get it from my thirty eight year old daughter.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, all right, Joan, do you have any plans with
Chalk this Christmas season?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I'm glad you're asking me that because I've gotten so
much crap on social media because I talked about Thanksgiving
and I was like thankful for my family, my friends
or whatever, and like, I consider him family, so I
didn't like say Chalk individually because he's my family, and
I got so much crap. Everybody's like they broke up.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
They broke up.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I didn't mention his name. Sorry, I didn't think I
had to. I think it's like assumed. So thank you
for asking, because the rumors were all untrue. First of all,
I didn't die because apparently there was rumors that I
was in a tragic accident. So I didn't die, and
I also didn't break up. They were one all over
social media. Yea, yep, So I'm alive and I'm still
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a Chalk. We didn't break up, and we do have
plans for the holidays. We got an AIRBNBA New York
for the whole month of well, most of the month
of December and into January, so we're gonna be taking
together a lot. Yeah, and then he'll meet my house
with my family for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's such a treat. How do you split up amongst
your family who has Thanksgiving? Who has Christmas?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So we're kind of a working prop gris now that
there are grandkids, so that makes a big difference, and
you probably have the same thing, like you don't want
to leave your house at Christmas time. So I always
do Christmas. I've always done Christmas. I will keep that
and I get to keep it because I have grandkids now,
So even though my kids are grown, I now get
to have Christmas because they come over to my house.
And Thanksgiving kind of has gotten handed off to different
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family members over the years. My daughter did it last year, John,
my late husband's cousin did it this year. She's a
big house and but she doesn't cook, so I, myself
and my mother in law had to make all the
She has the house, but she doesn't cook, so we
made all the food and brought it over. So I
brought over like ten dishes and my mother in law
did I made to.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Cook two turkeys.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Thanksgiving I just didn't have to get the house ready.
So Jo, when you refer to mother in law, is
it your john's you have my late husband's mom.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, very barely mean.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
She was part of my life for forty years. I
mean she never won't be part of my life.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I'm so glad that you guys still have so so
so close to our holiday, a relationship that's so nice,
really close. And then, do you guys have any New
Year's plans? All of you? Kathleen Susan, I feel like
you would be hosting some New Year's we want.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
We want to do New Year's Rock and Eve, but
we haven't been asked yet.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
I think Ryan Secrets has that monopoly on that one.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I'll be on a nice, beautiful island laying on the beach.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
On New Year's You're perfect? How aout?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Counting down to midnight?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And I'm going to be New York. I love to
go to Times Square, but I don't want to have
to get there at six am and wear a diaper
just because there's no trash can I mean there's no bathroom.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So I don't know how people do it. I used
to do it as like a teenager, just like my
sister and I would basically be like flirting with cops
and they let us into Times Square at like eleven pm.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I but I don't think florting is going to do
any good right now.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
When that we had great New Years, we would my
husband would grill steaks and we'd have champagne and we'd
watch the ball drop.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I love that week.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
We had really nice, quiet New Year's East together and.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
When my kids were a little we used to go bowling.
It was so much fun with like a whole bunch
of other families.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So fun. Do you have any other holiday traditions that
you would suggest that like I or any other young
family out there should take on or New Year's or
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Christmas for any anything.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
In my family, there are certain recipes that we make
every year, and different people will make them sometimes, but
it's we always when we talk about the holidays, it's always, oh, great,
we're going to have to get those mashed potatoes or
that bread or that cake. Like people remember my family.
Remember you have to start it with your young kids.
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Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
You start to a.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Tradition before your kids are old enough to understand that
you're starting a tradition, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, So much of it is about the food, but
I think, like the memory is maybe a bigger thing,
or could be a bigger thing. And like I said,
you know, I think a lot of people struggle with
what to do on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So it's probably one.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So we started incorporating our kids and we did the
bowling or we did a bingo night. So I mean,
yours are a little young for that, but you're getting
there and and it's fun and if you have it
with other families, it's.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
A lot for your children.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Take them out at eight o'clock, bang the pots and pans,
even think it's okay.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I did that for years till they caught on the other.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
The other thing that I did with my kids, it
wasn't for New Year's but at Christmas, we always adopted
a family and we every year would a different family
and I would take my three kids and we would
go shopping and we would buy the things. I would
help they would help me pick them out. And I
will say, this year, for the first time, it made
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me cry. My daughter called me, she now is a
two year old. She said, Mom, we're picking up the tradition.
We've adopted a family because I remember you and Dad
we did it every year, and so now my daughter
has adopted a family and they're going to do it
every year.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So you're right.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Food is important, but teaching kids, especially this time of year,
to give back is huge.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Another secret.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Tell the kids because they all have plenty of toys
and you're about to add more. No, now, we got
to give some of your other stuff to the little
kids that don't have anything, and they'd.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Have to part with things. It was an ordeal. I mean,
it was hard for them. What don't you want to
have anymore because you have to wait.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's actually a really good idea too, putting the donations
in their hands.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Get your kids to help you whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
If you have a tree, help get your kids involved
in cooking, get involved in whatever it is, decorating, making,
cook baking, whatever it is. Just get them involved, because
I have found with children, it's not the big thing.
It's not the gifts that remember. My kids don't remember
any of the gifts. They remember the experiences that their
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dad and I provided for them and that we did
as a family. Whatever, and it almost doesn't matter what
it is it's the experiences that.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
And they can be really simple. I remember we used
to on two days before Christmas, the eve of Christmas Eve,
we would stick the kids in the car in their pajamas.
I had four kids, and we put them in their
pajamas and we would drive around and look at lights.
And it was so simple, and it kind of got
them tired. And I served a couple of purposes. You
got them in their pajamas early, you stuck him in
a car, they got a little tired. Sometimes we bring
hot chocolate and like little sippy cups and we just
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drove around to neighborhoods and looked at Christmas lights, and
you didn't and you would not have hot chocolate in
your sippy cup.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
By the way, Yeah, anything you want.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yesterday, I realized we were kind of were unintentionally creating
a tradition. We go to this little quaint town it's
like a Hallmark town tree lighting where they have carollers,
and then Santa comes in the fire truck. And then
this is like the third year in a row that
non intentionally. I go over into this little store where
(10:19):
everything is really like handmade, and I get a couple
of ornaments, and I let Dawson pick out an ornament
and so now that's like our thing. That yeah, so cute,
good one. So I'm a big cruiser. I love going
on cruises. But you ladies, will all three be part
of it? What are your uh, what's your tasks? What
(10:43):
are your events that we're.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Meeting the well, we have to do some suggestions, right.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, we did the survey.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
We wanted doing a live podcast, so we're going to
be doing a podcast on the ship. But I just
found out that Hammer Brown just took up neil point
and I'm a huge needle point on, so I want
to give lessons on the ship. Come on, But that'd
be fun to teach people how to needle point.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's a little like non.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Alcohol involved, you know, but it's when it's.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For you and Hannah to have like a relaxing I said,
I'm going to be.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Sitting by the planet, like I'm not sure if I'm
going to leave my nice lamp chair to.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Go dance contest the judge.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I love all that bingo bingo.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I know I volunteered, Yeah, but I think I'm doing
a question answer, so I hope that I don't know
what people want to ask me. I kind of feel
like I've talked about it all. I'm I'm going to
think of something good.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, they might ask the same questions, they just didn't
hear that yet. Maybe I'll do anything they want. Yeah,
we're just happy to mingle. There's lots of single men.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, right, have okay, single men your age? You think
that's going to happen. I think it's a different cruise
that we did on this be all women, let's base it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, and a lot of my fans, right, and her
and her husband are coming.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, a couple couple of single men in their sixties.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Good loss, I say zero, I say four thousand people.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I'm heading back to the golf course. Heading back to
the golf course.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Actually, So, why do I always think that you were
in paradise because mentally we all prepared for you to
be there, and you were because you have got a boyfriend, Cavy.
You obviously spent plenty of time with Kat and Dale,
and they have maybe not really announced that they broke up,
but we all know that they did. So what's your
(12:46):
take on that?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
You know, I had high hopes for them. They were
not If I'm being honest and I was. They were
not at the top of my list of couples who
I thought would make.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It, but I was hoping they would.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
They both have you know, they're both a little bit
older than the average young ones that were at Paradise,
and they've had a lot of experiences, and they've been
in the public eye a lot, and you know, Cat
had been engaged and all that. So I was really
hoping that they had found each other. And but yeah,
I'm sad.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's sad.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I didn't think they were.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You know what, it's whether you think it.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I'm a I'm the eternal optimist, Like I wanted them
to make it. And Alicia and Sean, those were the
two couples that I was like, I'd like them to
make it. But honestly, it doesn't surprise me that either
one broke up. And actually I did tell Dale before
I left Paradise that if things didn't work out with them,
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and I have my number.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
The couples that did make it. There's quite a few there, and.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
They're all moving together. They all moved in together.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, Alison and Alexander. They're talking about finances already and
how they're splitting it. Up and investing in the future,
and I am impressed and I'm really happy for their trajectory.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I was so thrill.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Girlfriend Spencer and she just moved and just she just
moved to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And they have some finances to start with to invest.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
They're sorting good they want Yeah, they all do. That
was that was interesting twist. And I wasn't a huge
fan of it in the beginning because I didn't want
people to stick around and pretend they were a couples
just to get the money. But the way it turned
out was.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Just cross It really was because with her student loans and.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
She talked to you guys, don't I don't know if
this was shown, but we did interviews towards the end,
and Keith and I had already said on camera that
we were not going to take the money.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
From Yeah, that was starting out there, but we had.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
These interviews and I asked, I asked Alex what they
she would do with the money, and she said she
had a lot of debt to pay off from school,
and I was like, who cannot get behind that? And
then one of the other couple, I asked Bailey what
she would do with Jeremy and They're like, well, we're
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just going to go traveling.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I was like, no, no, Bailey, reach out to me
because I'm going to be in New York. And she said,
we'd love to see you guys. So I'm going to
try to get together with them.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy three couples.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
They may have surprised me, and I'm happily surprised.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And Alex she just said that it's such a burden
off of her. It's a whole different life and she
ever imagined herself living because of that. So yeah, it's
great that for the season there was that twist.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, but I love that she like she said that
she was kind of on her own at a pretty
young age, and I love that she made that investment
and then it all like now she has a great career,
and like I see her posting a lot about being
a therapist and she's so good. Yeah, and there's that games.
It's such a like a responsible and mature decision to
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spend all that money or to invest all that money
in herself and then get to have it paid off
is like, like.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What a great reward, perfect reward.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
You know what I love about them? They both have
great senses of humor. The whole time in Paradise, they laughed,
They truly enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Each other's company.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
I just sat and watched them because they just were
having so much fun together. And at the end of
the day, the person you're in love with, you want
to have fun with them too, and they just epitomize that.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
They actually worried me. I kept thinking they are two
friend zony, like they're not. You were there, But what
they showed on TV was like they were. They seemed
very friend.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Zoning to be.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
They weren't super affectionate. I mean, it's obvious now that
we see it, more like in the real world they are,
you know, wonderful. But I felt like that sense of humor,
which I love to like, made it look too friends
friendly to me friends.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I understand that totally. I think it's a look thing.
I think they have definitely gotten passively. They're just a
very well rounded couple right now. I will be shocked
if they're not end game. I'm now thinking about a
(17:30):
moment in which a breakup shocked me. Was there any
bachelination moments that couples that shocked you when they broke up?
Because to me, it was Ashley and JP.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh, Ashley and Ja surprised.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, I feel like we almost expect them usually. Now
I'm trying to think, like I yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like, hhmm, was anybody surprised with Gary and Teresa?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
No, are you really asking that question?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
That was a sarcastic ask. Good okay, because I.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Was like, really, but how much fun was the wedding?
Were I was that microphone getting.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So nice to me? I always tell her. She looked
at me and she was like, yeah, we we know,
and I feel.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Pregnant, right, And You're like, how do I know?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I'm like, you look like you're abelt development and you
haven't drink on it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You don't even know if I talked to you about
that afterward. But that was the most dramatic night of
throwing up while pregnant that I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Oh, that's incredient.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
That that's a what you know what? Gary and wish
they had been throwing up what they were.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Doing, Alice, it would have gotten them out of it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
But that wedding was at the top that we have
to admit. That was.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
It was a phenomenal event to be invited to a
good event, even though you didn't have a lot of
faith in the marriage. But it was a great wedding.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I gotta say I loved being able to have an
air piece and do that life with n.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
There were some great moments at that wedding. There were
great moments. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah. And the fact that you guys can just take
up that skill. It's amazing showing up a party. We
can do that.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
But you know what, actually, look at this three two
years ago, two and a half years ago. We did
not know each other, and look at us we've got.
That's the best thing about bachelors, the friendships.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, and you probably know that too. I mean obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Certainly absolutely like a frat and sority in my life
the time that I thought that that period was over right,
All right, all, thank you so much for joining us.
Have a great time at jingle Ball tonight. Think you
know just you know, enjoyed the free food and drinks.
If you don't know the songs, I know this I
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know will happen to all of us in mean spirit.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey guys, I am here with three of probably probably
the three most popular epic goldens we've ever had. Kathy, Susan,
and Joan. Welcome to the podcast. So fun. You guys
all look younger than ever right now, professional professional makeup.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
With each other.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh. I was gonna say, Kathy, do you have a day?
Because I know Ben was working on that.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
You know what, Ben failed?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No, No, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We still have a little time.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
It's still going to bemen.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Women women, Susan, Kathy. When we were last together in September,
we were going to see the Jonas Brothers. Unfortunately, there's
nobody as hot performing at jingle Ball tonight. Would you agree?
Not even close?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't even know half the bad name jon gets it?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
She said, there's no one close, So you agree they're
super not even close?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Well, first of all, I feel so like old right now.
But I don't know. I think I only knew two.
I think I only knew who to the performers are.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
The rest of them, I don't know who they are.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm living to my grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
They all love k pop, so I cannot yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
And kid Leroy, but other than I don't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So I'm going to make you feel younger at thirty seven,
I don't know anyone.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I don't know. Okay, good and you're young.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Imagine how you're.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
We're a testament to the lineup. This is a testament
to the fact that, like when you're thirty plus, you
like check out.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Wait a minute, we are all thirty plus, all together
in the same boat.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Relating to the fact that I heard that there's like
this stuff that you kind of stop discovering new music
around thirty Okay, that happens, you don't know. I don't
mean like new songs to me, I've like cut off
my artists. It's kind of like I know that the
music that I like, and I know who I'm gonna
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go to when they come out with a new album.
But I'm not gonna, like.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
You understand, for us, we would not know who Taylor
Swift is that.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You can.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
There's you can't ignore, like Taylor Swift, But then there's
all those auxiliary ones you don't have to embrace anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I use the Shazam app when I like a song
and I discover a new artist.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, Jazam, that's basically where I get all of my
new music from.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I get it from my thirty eight year old daughter.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, all right, Joan, do you have any plans with
Chalk this Christmas season?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I'm glad you're asking me that because I've gotten so
much crap on social media because I talked about Thanksgiving
and I was like thankful for my family, my friends
or whatever, and like, I consider him family, so I
didn't like say Chalk individually because he's my family, and
I got so much crap. Everybody's like they broke up.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
They broke up.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I didn't mention his name. Sorry, I didn't think I
had to. I think it's like assumed. So thank you
for asking, because the rumors were all untrue. First of all,
I didn't die because apparently there was rumors that I
was in a tragic accident. So I didn't die, and
I also didn't break up. They were one all over
social media. Yea, yep, So I'm alive and I'm still
(03:35):
a Chalk. We didn't break up, and we do have
plans for the holidays. We got an AIRBNBA New York
for the whole month of well, most of the month
of December and into January, so we're gonna be taking
together a lot. Yeah, and then he'll meet my house
with my family for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's such a treat. How do you split up amongst
your family who has Thanksgiving? Who has Christmas?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So we're kind of a working prop gris now that
there are grandkids, so that makes a big difference, and
you probably have the same thing, like you don't want
to leave your house at Christmas time. So I always
do Christmas. I've always done Christmas. I will keep that
and I get to keep it because I have grandkids now,
So even though my kids are grown, I now get
to have Christmas because they come over to my house.
And Thanksgiving kind of has gotten handed off to different
(04:20):
family members over the years. My daughter did it last year, John,
my late husband's cousin did it this year. She's a
big house and but she doesn't cook, so I, myself
and my mother in law had to make all the
She has the house, but she doesn't cook, so we
made all the food and brought it over. So I
brought over like ten dishes and my mother in law
did I made to.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Cook two turkeys.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Thanksgiving I just didn't have to get the house ready.
So Jo, when you refer to mother in law, is
it your john's you have my late husband's mom.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, very barely mean.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
She was part of my life for forty years. I
mean she never won't be part of my life.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I'm so glad that you guys still have so so
so close to our holiday, a relationship that's so nice,
really close. And then, do you guys have any New
Year's plans? All of you? Kathleen Susan, I feel like
you would be hosting some New Year's we want.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
We want to do New Year's Rock and Eve, but
we haven't been asked yet.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
I think Ryan Secrets has that monopoly on that one.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I'll be on a nice, beautiful island laying on the beach.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
On New Year's You're perfect? How aout?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Counting down to midnight?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And I'm going to be New York. I love to
go to Times Square, but I don't want to have
to get there at six am and wear a diaper
just because there's no trash can I mean there's no bathroom.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So I don't know how people do it. I used
to do it as like a teenager, just like my
sister and I would basically be like flirting with cops
and they let us into Times Square at like eleven pm.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I but I don't think florting is going to do
any good right now.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
When that we had great New Years, we would my
husband would grill steaks and we'd have champagne and we'd
watch the ball drop.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I love that week.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
We had really nice, quiet New Year's East together and.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
When my kids were a little we used to go bowling.
It was so much fun with like a whole bunch
of other families.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So fun. Do you have any other holiday traditions that
you would suggest that like I or any other young
family out there should take on or New Year's or
(06:38):
Christmas for any anything.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
In my family, there are certain recipes that we make
every year, and different people will make them sometimes, but
it's we always when we talk about the holidays, it's always, oh, great,
we're going to have to get those mashed potatoes or
that bread or that cake. Like people remember my family.
Remember you have to start it with your young kids.
(07:05):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
You start to a.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Tradition before your kids are old enough to understand that
you're starting a tradition, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, So much of it is about the food, but
I think, like the memory is maybe a bigger thing,
or could be a bigger thing. And like I said,
you know, I think a lot of people struggle with
what to do on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So it's probably one.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So we started incorporating our kids and we did the
bowling or we did a bingo night. So I mean,
yours are a little young for that, but you're getting
there and and it's fun and if you have it
with other families, it's.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
A lot for your children.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Take them out at eight o'clock, bang the pots and pans,
even think it's okay.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I did that for years till they caught on the other.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
The other thing that I did with my kids, it
wasn't for New Year's but at Christmas, we always adopted
a family and we every year would a different family
and I would take my three kids and we would
go shopping and we would buy the things. I would
help they would help me pick them out. And I
will say, this year, for the first time, it made
(08:09):
me cry. My daughter called me, she now is a
two year old. She said, Mom, we're picking up the tradition.
We've adopted a family because I remember you and Dad
we did it every year, and so now my daughter
has adopted a family and they're going to do it
every year.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So you're right.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Food is important, but teaching kids, especially this time of year,
to give back is huge.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Another secret.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Tell the kids because they all have plenty of toys
and you're about to add more. No, now, we got
to give some of your other stuff to the little
kids that don't have anything, and they'd.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Have to part with things. It was an ordeal. I mean,
it was hard for them. What don't you want to
have anymore because you have to wait.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's actually a really good idea too, putting the donations
in their hands.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Get your kids to help you whatever it is.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
If you have a tree, help get your kids involved
in cooking, get involved in whatever it is, decorating, making,
cook baking, whatever it is. Just get them involved, because
I have found with children, it's not the big thing.
It's not the gifts that remember. My kids don't remember
any of the gifts. They remember the experiences that their
(09:17):
dad and I provided for them and that we did
as a family. Whatever, and it almost doesn't matter what
it is it's the experiences that.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
And they can be really simple. I remember we used
to on two days before Christmas, the eve of Christmas Eve,
we would stick the kids in the car in their pajamas.
I had four kids, and we put them in their
pajamas and we would drive around and look at lights.
And it was so simple, and it kind of got
them tired. And I served a couple of purposes. You
got them in their pajamas early, you stuck him in
a car, they got a little tired. Sometimes we bring
hot chocolate and like little sippy cups and we just
(09:47):
drove around to neighborhoods and looked at Christmas lights, and
you didn't and you would not have hot chocolate in
your sippy cup.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
By the way, Yeah, anything you want.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yesterday, I realized we were kind of were unintentionally creating
a tradition. We go to this little quaint town it's
like a Hallmark town tree lighting where they have carollers,
and then Santa comes in the fire truck. And then
this is like the third year in a row that
non intentionally. I go over into this little store where
(10:19):
everything is really like handmade, and I get a couple
of ornaments, and I let Dawson pick out an ornament
and so now that's like our thing. That yeah, so cute,
good one. So I'm a big cruiser. I love going
on cruises. But you ladies, will all three be part
of it? What are your uh, what's your tasks? What
(10:43):
are your events that we're.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Meeting the well, we have to do some suggestions, right.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, we did the survey.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
We wanted doing a live podcast, so we're going to
be doing a podcast on the ship. But I just
found out that Hammer Brown just took up neil point
and I'm a huge needle point on, so I want
to give lessons on the ship. Come on, But that'd
be fun to teach people how to needle point.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's a little like non.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Alcohol involved, you know, but it's when it's.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For you and Hannah to have like a relaxing I said,
I'm going to be.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Sitting by the planet, like I'm not sure if I'm
going to leave my nice lamp chair to.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Go dance contest the judge.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I love all that bingo bingo.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I know I volunteered, Yeah, but I think I'm doing
a question answer, so I hope that I don't know
what people want to ask me. I kind of feel
like I've talked about it all. I'm I'm going to
think of something good.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, they might ask the same questions, they just didn't
hear that yet. Maybe I'll do anything they want. Yeah,
we're just happy to mingle. There's lots of single men.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, right, have okay, single men your age? You think
that's going to happen. I think it's a different cruise
that we did on this be all women, let's base it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, and a lot of my fans, right, and her
and her husband are coming.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, a couple couple of single men in their sixties.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Good loss, I say zero, I say four thousand people.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I'm heading back to the golf course. Heading back to
the golf course.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Actually, So, why do I always think that you were
in paradise because mentally we all prepared for you to
be there, and you were because you have got a boyfriend, Cavy.
You obviously spent plenty of time with Kat and Dale,
and they have maybe not really announced that they broke up,
but we all know that they did. So what's your
(12:46):
take on that?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
You know, I had high hopes for them. They were
not If I'm being honest and I was. They were
not at the top of my list of couples who
I thought would make.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It, but I was hoping they would.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
They both have you know, they're both a little bit
older than the average young ones that were at Paradise,
and they've had a lot of experiences, and they've been
in the public eye a lot, and you know, Cat
had been engaged and all that. So I was really
hoping that they had found each other. And but yeah,
I'm sad.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's sad.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I didn't think they were.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You know what, it's whether you think it.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I'm a I'm the eternal optimist, Like I wanted them
to make it. And Alicia and Sean, those were the
two couples that I was like, I'd like them to
make it. But honestly, it doesn't surprise me that either
one broke up. And actually I did tell Dale before
I left Paradise that if things didn't work out with them,
(13:44):
and I have my number.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
The couples that did make it. There's quite a few there, and.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
They're all moving together. They all moved in together.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, Alison and Alexander. They're talking about finances already and
how they're splitting it. Up and investing in the future,
and I am impressed and I'm really happy for their trajectory.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I was so thrill.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Girlfriend Spencer and she just moved and just she just
moved to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And they have some finances to start with to invest.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
They're sorting good they want Yeah, they all do. That
was that was interesting twist. And I wasn't a huge
fan of it in the beginning because I didn't want
people to stick around and pretend they were a couples
just to get the money. But the way it turned
out was.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Just cross It really was because with her student loans and.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
She talked to you guys, don't I don't know if
this was shown, but we did interviews towards the end,
and Keith and I had already said on camera that
we were not going to take the money.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
From Yeah, that was starting out there, but we had.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
These interviews and I asked, I asked Alex what they
she would do with the money, and she said she
had a lot of debt to pay off from school,
and I was like, who cannot get behind that? And
then one of the other couple, I asked Bailey what
she would do with Jeremy and They're like, well, we're
(15:22):
just going to go traveling.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I was like, no, no, Bailey, reach out to me
because I'm going to be in New York. And she said,
we'd love to see you guys. So I'm going to
try to get together with them.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy three couples.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
They may have surprised me, and I'm happily surprised.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And Alex she just said that it's such a burden
off of her. It's a whole different life and she
ever imagined herself living because of that. So yeah, it's
great that for the season there was that twist.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, but I love that she like she said that
she was kind of on her own at a pretty
young age, and I love that she made that investment
and then it all like now she has a great career,
and like I see her posting a lot about being
a therapist and she's so good. Yeah, and there's that games.
It's such a like a responsible and mature decision to
(16:13):
spend all that money or to invest all that money
in herself and then get to have it paid off
is like, like.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What a great reward, perfect reward.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
You know what I love about them? They both have
great senses of humor. The whole time in Paradise, they laughed,
They truly enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Each other's company.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
I just sat and watched them because they just were
having so much fun together. And at the end of
the day, the person you're in love with, you want
to have fun with them too, and they just epitomize that.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
They actually worried me. I kept thinking they are two
friend zony, like they're not. You were there, But what
they showed on TV was like they were. They seemed
very friend.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Zoning to be.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
They weren't super affectionate. I mean, it's obvious now that
we see it, more like in the real world they are,
you know, wonderful. But I felt like that sense of humor,
which I love to like, made it look too friends
friendly to me friends.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I understand that totally. I think it's a look thing.
I think they have definitely gotten passively. They're just a
very well rounded couple right now. I will be shocked
if they're not end game. I'm now thinking about a
(17:30):
moment in which a breakup shocked me. Was there any
bachelination moments that couples that shocked you when they broke up?
Because to me, it was Ashley and JP.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh, Ashley and Ja surprised.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, I feel like we almost expect them usually. Now
I'm trying to think, like I yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like, hhmm, was anybody surprised with Gary and Teresa?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
No, are you really asking that question?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
That was a sarcastic ask. Good okay, because I.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Was like, really, but how much fun was the wedding?
Were I was that microphone getting.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So nice to me? I always tell her. She looked
at me and she was like, yeah, we we know,
and I feel.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Pregnant, right, And You're like, how do I know?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I'm like, you look like you're abelt development and you
haven't drink on it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You don't even know if I talked to you about
that afterward. But that was the most dramatic night of
throwing up while pregnant that I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Oh, that's incredient.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
That that's a what you know what? Gary and wish
they had been throwing up what they were.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Doing, Alice, it would have gotten them out of it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
But that wedding was at the top that we have
to admit. That was.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
It was a phenomenal event to be invited to a
good event, even though you didn't have a lot of
faith in the marriage. But it was a great wedding.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I gotta say I loved being able to have an
air piece and do that life with n.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
There were some great moments at that wedding. There were
great moments. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah. And the fact that you guys can just take
up that skill. It's amazing showing up a party. We
can do that.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
But you know what, actually, look at this three two
years ago, two and a half years ago. We did
not know each other, and look at us we've got.
That's the best thing about bachelors, the friendships.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, and you probably know that too. I mean obviously.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Certainly absolutely like a frat and sority in my life
the time that I thought that that period was over right,
All right, all, thank you so much for joining us.
Have a great time at jingle Ball tonight. Think you
know just you know, enjoyed the free food and drinks.
If you don't know the songs, I know this I
(19:58):
know will happen to all of us in mean spirit.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
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