January 31, 2024 • 41 mins
Ben Higgins and Chris Harrison sit down with Jason Tartick for the real story of his life post break-up.
Chris and Ben share some advice for Jason as he navigates the next season of his life, and he reveals what he’s looking for in his next relationship.
The bromance is real when Almost Famous and The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever combine to hang out with the one and only Jason Tartick!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The most dramatic podcast ever iHeartRadio. Hi everybody, I.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Ben Higgins and I'm Chris Harrison.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever with Ashley.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I and she's not here, So as a result, Chris
and I are going to co host this with one
of our favorite people in the world, Jason Tartik.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Jared, Jared's here.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We are in uh well been tell them where we are.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
We are in Carmel, California. This is a very special
event for iHeart. We bring anybody we can out to
iHeart to interview them because we like them. So Jason,
you were in here earlier. But when Chris and I
were talking about this with Dean, we said, this trip
is really meant for us to invite people we like
to hang out with to catch up in our lives,
(00:49):
and you're definitely one of those people, and so tonight
I don't think it's a secret that we have a
lot to catch up with you on. But then also
we want to talk to you about your future, like
what's exciting outside of you know, obviously what's going on
in the news right now.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But let's obviously start with you, should we start with
the Middle East?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Where should we start? What problems should we solve? Tonight
after four bottles of wine at the Mission Ranch.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Well, I think, Chris, the thing we should start with
is Jason, are you single?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Guys? It's good to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I got Dean here, Chris here, Ben here. I feel
like I'm back in twenty eighteen. It is good to
be here. Jay and I am I single.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, Jay and I had a long talk and because
he came to Austin and I hung out for a
while and he was a the only person who I've
ever done a podcast with at my house and then
he spent the night. We had a sleepover.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We had a sleepover. Yeah, why did that happen?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I want to hear the backstory, because what happened We
were going to dinner to night and I was standing
next to Lauren and she goes, I love Jason Tartick.
I said, that's great. I love Jason Tartick. But why
do you love Jason Tartick? Was because Jason Tartick helped
break down boxes at my house.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The guy did one nice thing. He's gotten He's gotten
more mileage off of this one benevolent.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You've done it one hundred times for her.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I've been breaking up boxes, taking out the trash for
five years. You know, jay comes by one afternoon, kicks
a box and she's like, Oh, he's the greatest guy
in the world, living with Gandhi.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
All of a sudden, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
He's been he's been selling that for a while. But
you know, we did, we we got deep.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
It was.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was honestly a very emotional night for both of us.
So we kinda we got done and we we just
kind of went down the hall in separate ways and we're.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Like, we just got to be Yeah, quiet time. It was.
It was. It was a deep one. It was a
good one.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It was therapeutic. It was good and thank you for.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Cathartic and I think it was something we needed. And
it's something like we've all become good friends. We can
all have these conversations and it's probably dangerous to be
doing this after, you know, four bottles of wine. But
Jaye and I did talk about him being single and
about looking for love. And I'm sure you've dated more
since I've seen you out.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There, We've talked, you've seen me. Where have you seen me.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean the thing with Jay is Instagram is the
tip of the iceberg. Yea ninety percent of it is
below the water. So if I'm seeing of the entertainment life,
I can only imagine what's going on.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's good. Yeah, life is good.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
It's it's changed a lot since our last conversation. So
everything is going because, well.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, how's it changed? Because you seem like you're on
the uptick.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I think, like last time we talked, Like obviously there
are a lot of emotions. What's good about emotions is
you get those things out, you name it to drain it,
and you go through the grieving process. I've gone through
that process. I have full acceptance and so that feels good.
I feel lighter every day.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
For me, I was watching from the outside, so I
got to see the headlines and listen to the episode.
The two of you are great at that, Like I
had no doubt that the two of you would dive
in authentically and really pull out the emotions. And I
think it's good for people to hear because it does
like the reactions are very positive, Like it keeps people
(04:20):
update updated with where you're at in life, Jason, but
we're here now, Like, I guess the question I have
for you is, like, what are you looking forward to
now in the future, Like this is a whole new
start for you. If they listen to the podcast on
the most dramatic podcast ever and they kind of got
a baseline of where you're at in life. Now we're
(04:42):
here in Carmel a few months later, a month later, Like,
what's next for you?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna give
me that platform with these two giant podcast hosts, I
gotta take the platform to do a little plug. I
have a new book coming out right talk money to me,
So I'm very focused on that book. I'm also very
transparent with things like that. If I sell one book,
or I sell I don't know, probably fifty thousand books,
(05:08):
it's not gonna put another penny in my pocket. I'm
just very passionate about the subject matter of we have
to learn finances, and then when we learn finances, we
have to learn how to protect them with ourselves, grow
them with ourselves, and then grow as a unit with
someone else. So the new book comes out in April.
I'm excited for that. Future I'm excited for. I have
an agency that's that's really really doing well. We doubled
(05:29):
our revenue last year. We're probably gonna hit close to
eight figures this year, which is exciting. And I don't know,
I think aside from just business, it's more of this.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm in this weird phase of life where I've thought
about it.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I really haven't been single, like straight up single, single
since like twenty seventeen. Okay, so let me just explain
that briefly. They start casting for The Bachelor in early
twenty eighteen, like early late twenty seventeen. You go on
the show, got off the show, then the show shows
airing was in the top three, so they have to like,
you know, they kind of give you the guidance, like
watch what you're doing. So I was careful, so there
(06:07):
was probably like a two to three month window. I
was single in twenty eighteen, and then ex and I
are together, we break up. It's really been since twenty
seventeen I've been single, and then ten years through my twenties,
I was like corporate soldier, tell me where to go,
how to go. So this is the first time in
my life that I have like financial freedom. I'm single,
(06:28):
and I could just do what I want to do,
how I want, when I want. So this is the
year for me. Like aside from all that work stuff
that I put out there, I'm just like, I don't
know if I could swear in this podcast, but I'm
just like.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
For get, like just let loosen enjoy dangeriously awesome combination.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it is because you said things.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Have changed since our podcast the last time we unite chatted,
and that was you were still. I would I would say,
if we could name it, you were in the morning phase,
You're still. I was figuring things out in the morning.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I was screaming through different like through through like baring
and trying to figure out.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yea, name it and label it and figure out where
it goes. Of course, yeah, now if we're going to
label this chapter, where are we?
Speaker 5 (07:11):
It's acceptance and pure, purest form of clarity and uh
and it just excited, like excited for what's next in
my life. I don't I want to have family. I
want to have kids. I recognize I'm thirty five, so
I know that there's there's only so much time for
this period of my life where I could just be
(07:33):
the main priority and go. So I would name it
as like clarity, go and stop overthinking, just like go,
go do it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So you have the business, little financial freedom, you've dealt
with all the issues, and my guess is you've you're
also realizing, you know, you gotta mody theme of fame,
right you have a little name recognition out there. So
you're enjoying this chapter right now?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
It seems I don't, so when you phrase it like that,
I don't the whole Like those things are great, but
that's not why I'm enjoying it. Truly, I'm enjoying it
because for so long I've been so bogged down of
worrying about everyone else and taking care of everyone else,
and and if you get into like therapy, it's the rescuer,
(08:21):
which is like an unhealthy version of the coach. And
I'm excited to just take care of me and so
fame whatever, all that bullsh like, I don't care. It's
just like I have so much light that I don't
feel so much empathy for people I once loved, and
I feel so much care for what I want. And
so that's truly what I'm most excited about, right, Like
(08:44):
all that stuff is like bullshit. I think all the
fame and all these things we get it helps.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It helps on a business level. It helps with you,
It helps with the podcast, it.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Plays out in it, it plays in it. One hundred
percent helps. You can't deny that all that stuff helps,
but it all that does to me is just give.
It provides an ability to have financial freedom, and financial
freedom that allows me to do what I want, ie
coming out to Carmel for a couple of days to
see people I love and have cared for since twenty eighteen.
(09:13):
I think it's cool in this world, Like how often
do you meet people from an unscripted show and then
six years later, whether we're on the mic or not,
we're checking in Ben, We're calling each other, talking business,
talking about the mastermind stuff, Chris, how's life, How's family?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
How's married life?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
To me, that is such a cool thing.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So it's a mix of everything, I guess, But to me,
it's the financial freedom I guess that it provides. And
who knows when it ends right? Just you know it
can all end tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, you're doing a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I mean, Chris and I talked earlier, and we talked
with Dean about the passions and what has been created
from the show, and you've done a lot, you know,
you'd be a great example to many on what you
can do with the opportunities provided. And then I also
to believe if you never went on the show, you
would have done great with or without it. But I
(10:00):
think the big question for so many, and myself included,
is what are you looking for?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like what is this next season?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
If you dreamed of what this next season would look
like for you, like, what are the things in the
future that you would love to have like attached to
the Jason name?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So be a little more specific because I could, I
could Relationship? What does what does family look like to you?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
What does this?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I mean You've created some incredible businesses there, like you said,
are hopefully going to create eight figures in twenty twenty four? Yeah,
but like like when you look at the end of
twenty twenty four, maybeah, we're in December.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Let's say, like, what do you hope is attached to
your name?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I think if I look at like personally, let's do
I think, like, let's look five, let's.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Look like three to five years, right, three.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
To five years. I would love to be married with kids,
find my person and then professionally, I've learned that you
can have all these aspirations and dreams, and I think
everyone here we know curveballs come our way and you
just expect the unexpected. So just try and be better
(11:11):
than I was yesterday, Like learn from yesterday and try
and be and grow as an individual within like the
different tracks I'm kind of going right, So but for me,
it's like continue to explore, to find myself, learn from
the mistakes, and then I don't know, I want to
find someone right, like.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
That is the goal.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Like when I think about my personal life, like I
want a family and I want to have kids, and
those are things I want and I have so much.
It took me a long time in life to learn confidence,
long time poster syndrome, all these things. When it comes
to professional world, I just I know I have confidence
that if I'm backed against the wall, I'm going to
(11:51):
figure it out. I know I'm going to. So now
I'm just so much more focused on do the things
I know I can do and work, but like also
just developing myself every day in a way I can
just be a better person of myself if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It does, and I don't want this to be a
bash on Caitlin because you and I both know Caitlyn well.
Chris knows Caitlyn well. We're friends with Caitlin. But relationships
that don't work out teach you something.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
They do.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Like with my relationship with Lauren, it taught me something.
And you know now that I'm with Jess, she was
the person I was looking for. What characteristics in the
next partner are you kind of looking for? Because I
know there's a lot of women out there that are
probably like I would love to date adjacent partik, like
he is a really attractive dude who has this stuff together.
(12:43):
But like, as you've kind of gone through different seasons
of life, what characteristics are you looking for your next partner?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Number one, for sure is a unit in which the
support that's given is match in return. Number two, I
would say, is uh, honesty and integrity. I think when
(13:13):
you get caught in love clouds, it's easy to avoid a.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Lot of those things.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I think number three is we live in a world
in which so much is working against relationships and so
much as working against happiness, and I think the more
happiness you have, the more envy there becomes. And when
that envy enters, you need such a solid unit that
your partner in the room with you and without you
(13:44):
in the room is there for you and they have
your back.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
So those are three huge things.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That I'll be looking for.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
What were you blinded by with the love? What the
love cloud thing is interesting?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean the love clouds in and I hate
to bring it back to the book by do my
background's business and finance and accounting.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
That's that's my heart. My grandpa told me.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
It's taught me at sixteen, and I think it's the
perspective is even in the book, like I was so
caught up in the love cloud, even fundamentals that I
know and teach and preach every day, I didn't even
look into I talk about it in the book. And
so I think in general, anyone that's out there, if
you've gotten caught in the love.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Clouds, it's easy to lose sight.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Of a lot of things, some of the things already
mentioned and some of the things that you might know
better than the back of your hand. And sometimes you
have to take a beat to say just check in, right,
like check in with yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Are you saying you lost yourself? In this relationship, you're good,
I think.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I think, yeah, I think that's I think that's a
very fair assessment there that there were times in this
relationship that I I had lost myself and as a
result of that, you get caught.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Up in like a cloud of.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
You're so into the love of it and the idea
of it, you lose focus of kind of like your
just overall compass direction and foundational focus for what is
right and isn't right. And I think I could be wrong,
but I do think there's a lot of people out
(15:33):
there that when love enters, you start to be blinded
by those things, right, because you're so infactuated with that
overwhelming feeling of bliss that you have been searching for,
whether it's been a month, two months, a year, three years,
whatever it might be. And that's a good learning lesson
(15:54):
for me.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Chris and I were talking about earlier, and you and
I actually were talking about the airport and you asked
me a question, like, two years in a marriage, what's
life look like? You know, like what is it? Because
it's a good question, like I couldn't answer that before
two years of marriage, I wouldn't know. And I said,
(16:26):
you know, if I were to I'm speaking to church
on Sunday, and I'm speaking to it like at some
point a group that's single, and the one thing I
want to make sure to implement into them is one
singleness is fine, like be single as long as you
need to be single. The second is when you get married,
Like when you're committing to somebody, there's a beauty and
(16:48):
the fact that now in two years in this I
can confidently tell you that there is a partner out
there that will release like some type of stress in
your life, not all stress.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
There's a whole new stres to marriage. But for me,
like my life.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Is freer now that I'm married, like my life like, yes,
there's a whole new burden that has been placed on
myself as a husband. But overall I found an incredible partner,
like an amazing woman who wants my life to be better,
who wants her life to be better, and as a result,
like she wants to support both those things.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And I didn't know that when I was in your position.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I went through a breakup on this show, and at
that point in time for me, I was in a
spiral of like maybe life is never what I thought
it would be like, maybe marriage is not whatever a
picture it would be.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Maybe it would be full of pain and like I.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Would have to sacrifice a lot, but it's not that.
Like for me, I don't have to sacrifice a lot
for my marriage other than just trying to be a
good husband to my wife. Yeah, and I think that's
exciting for you, Like you're in a very similar position
at this point in time where you're coming out of
this relationship and let's we don't need a bad mouth
or or like put hate on either one of you,
(18:02):
but both of you hold a deep level of respect
in our hearts. But it wasn't right. So now you
enter it like out of that into this whole new season.
And I know Chris and I talked about earlier, we're
excited for you on what this new partnership looks like.
And that's why I ask you the question, like what
are you looking for now? And Chris, you know, went
(18:23):
even better than than I could and say, like what
does that like love cloud look like?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah? Yeah, I think I think. Yeah, I think you
bring up a few good points. I think.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Even when you look at just you talking about like
I know you said you don't want to bad mouth anyone,
and I don't think anyone should be. I think even
when you look at why relationships didn't work, that's why
I even hate even stepping into these conversations. To Chris
I mentioned on your podcast, it's always I always start
to I could feel it. I am already deregulated talking
(18:56):
about it. Why am I deregulated talking about it? Do
you regulate talking about it? Because I have a very
very long laundry list of why things didn't work out
in this relationship, right and my ex also has a
very long list, And there's no way those lists connect.
And my perspective is going to be a lot of
(19:17):
hear saying and opinions, and her perspective is going to
be a lot of hearsaying opinions. And when you enter
into conversations like this with friends and mutual friends and
a world that's so small, I want to treat it
with the same respect I would expect my significant other.
And while I don't think that's been the case at
this point, I'm still gonna stand here and not really
(19:41):
dive into those things.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right, So, there's.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Reasons why it didn't work out, there's reasons why we
are where we are, And I think to your point, Ben,
all you can do in these situations, the only thing
is look in the mirror and say where did I miss?
Where can I be better? How do I grieve and
get clarity? And for my next partner, I better show
up in a million better ways. And I didn't show
(20:09):
up in my last relationship. And that's the journey I'm
on right now.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Are you surprised the breakups had such a shelf life
that it's you know, there's still headlines, there's still.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No why you.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
When you start to read and see the same you
read the same book, and then you read it over,
you know how it plays out. When you watch the
same movie and then you watch it again, you.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
See how it plays out. And there's been.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
A lot of conversations about a lot of x's of
my ex that one year, two year, five year, six year,
seven year plus continue to hit headlines.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So I'm not.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Surprised, Chris says the question for you, though you've been
around the show, you've been around the relationships maybe for
a while.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Why do headlines play out?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You know?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
For mine, I felt like it was a shelf life,
like it was like a six month shelf life, whereas
like felt like the world was falling down around me
and then it never like really existed again.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
When you're I mean, and Jay and I talked about this.
When you're you know, when you're in that tempest, it
feels all consuming, you know. And I've talked to people
that are on the show when they're going through stuff,
and I'm like, look, I know, it feels like the
waves are crashing over your head and you you know,
but if you took a look from you know, thirty
fifty thousand feet, you'd realize this is such a minuscule
part of your life and a minuscule part of the world.
(21:43):
But you know, we don't ever have that perspective when
we're going through stuff. I mean, it's impossible, right because
you're we're all self absorbed, we're self involved, and when
things are happening to us, it's magnificent, right, It's huge,
no matter what it is. And so that's only human nature.
But what's interesting is, right, these things usually have a
shelf life. If they continue to exist and prolong and
(22:09):
seem to be exacerbated, it's there's usually a reason why.
And it's interesting. It's like, you know, and usually it's
because someone wants it to write. It's someone is propelling
it to make that happen. And I've just noticed, like
the headlines continue.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And what headlines continue? Though?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Why to?
Speaker 5 (22:30):
But like I think that the idea behind the headlines
are things A lot has to happen, right, and a
lot has happened, you know a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Has happened well, And look click in our day and
age to clickbait is a wonderful thing. As Ben looks
up the headline, you know it is. It's interesting when
you live in a world where we want one answer.
Like you said, Caitlin has a laundry list of reasons
why this relationship didn't work. You have a laundry list
of reasons why this didn't work. But for the and
(23:03):
when you're in a room like this with a bunch
of friendlies and people that love you, and we're talking
and we know the layers of this thing and there
are many layers to it, there always are. But when
you get removed from it and it's just the listener
and they're just looking for that one reason, right, we
all we all want that one reason. Why give me
(23:24):
the magic bullet. There's never a magic bullet. There is
never a magic bullet when there's a breakup. There's always multiple,
multiple layers to how it got to that point. But
in this day and age of the clickbait and the headline,
we all want that, right, we all want that one
reason of why did Caitlin or why did Jason? You know,
(23:44):
like this will this will solve everything, and it's that's
that's never the case, but the headlines will keep going
because obviously it's getting the only reason. There's good feedback.
People are listening and people are watching.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean there's investment, and I think that maybe means
people are invested in the relationship or people are invested
into the breakup.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I don't know if we can that's good.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean it's a good debate if like I mean,
clearly people are interested in Caitlin. Clearly people are interested
in you. I mean it goes to your you know,
the q Q rating, right, I mean obviously you were
in the zeitgeist and people were interested in what's going
on with Jason and what's going on with Caitlin, and
so like this, you know, it only prolongs if people
are interested.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, I mean my take on it prolonging is just like,
I don't. I'm not the kind of guy that's going
to step into stuff unless I have to protest for myself.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Right, and I don't. And there's you know, there's been
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Interesting things, right, but I'm not going to step into
anything unless I really unless it's truly directed. And there's
been a lot of like it seems like passive aggressive
little digs here and there interpretations.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But yeah, I mean it's just it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And yeah, it's an interesting like dichotomy of analyzing all that, right.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I Mean, the funny thing is the three of us
sitting here have all been in the same spot to
a certain degree. We've all been a part of the headlines.
We've all been on the good end of them and
the really shitty end of them. Yeah, and you know,
they they're both through the extremes. And when you're on
the bad end, and when things keep going, it's like, Okay,
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you think it's over, and then there's another Yeah, there's
another one.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, and it's it's tough.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I mean, I know, you know Ben with Lauren when
he was going through it, I dealt with him and
with you and then you guys both dealt with it
with my Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
It's a lot. I think in defense to both sides
or any sides, or your side or anyone sides and
your break upside. Whatever headlines right, the idea like just
the business of it. You create a headline so people click.
The only thing these magazines are looking at it how
many people click through? If people keep clicking through, they
will continue to create those headlines. And those headlines are
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always going to be taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
To get you to click through.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
What I would say to anybody that is reading a
headline is like, actually read the full article. Then make
your interpretation.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Just go for paragraphs, just go for yeah, just read that.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean, here's the headline here, this is what
I was talking about. So it was published day, says
Jason Tartick. Would have told himself to wake the hell
up before moving in with ex Caitlin Bristow. So I
haven't done this yet, But if I scrolled down to.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
The bottom, which is a freaking long article, man.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I could, I could, says, I can interrupt you and
it will finish it, finish it, though, I could, I could.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Tell the final paragraph says, Now this changed throughout the
years of our relationship. But the point but to point
you a picture of how uninformed we were. Here is
a detailed list of all the numbers we didn't know
before moving in together, right, and it goes through credit score,
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total incomes.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Total Trading Secrets podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
So well, I'll bring like, let's talk.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
That's why I love the podcast I've run because we
give behind the scenes of stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So behind the scenes. I have a book coming out. Again.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
If I sell one book or ten thousand, I'm not
going to make any more books in April.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The book drops in April.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
But the point is is that we had to with
a big publisher, we have to get an exclusives.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
That's what you have to do. So who do we
get an exclusive with? We get it with people.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
What does people do? They give a book exclusive. It
gives credibility. So then what you do is you hand
them the manuscript. So you give them the manuscript and
then you don't have control over what they write. Now,
the whole entire point of that that headline is such
fucking bullshit because it provides zero context to the conversation.
The first two chapters is to show relatability that no
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matter who's out there, even a guy like not trying
to put myself, but even guy who's got an MBA
in accounting and finance and has lent hundreds of millions
of dollars in underwrote bank loans, he's still through a
relationship and love got lost in some of the things
that matter when you look at something as a unit.
And it was all in the first two chapters of
me saying this is where.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I screwed up.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I want to show you my cards because I'm writing
this book based on where I screwed up. Here are
things you could do better. Yeah, So then they take
a line that's going to get.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
People to click through. So that's a headline there.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
But the psychology of like why this, Like I mean,
why are we still talking about the breakup? I mean,
I think a lot of people can interpret that a
lot of ways. But it's an interesting discussion. Yeah, that's
a lot.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
So it's a twist in a sense promoting your book
which goes through all those things. Yeah, but it is
a twist a little bit on like the overall message
of hey, before you entern in a relationship or before
you take these big decisions in life, think about XYZ
correct And they say.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The headline is like wake the hell up.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Exactly, But for you, it's like just in general, whoever
you're at, whoever you are, wherever you're at in life,
think about these things before you enter into these big commitments.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
It was more of like if I'm asking you Ben
for advice and you're saying to me, Jason, you know,
I screwed this up here and there, and I said
to myself, Ben, wake the hell up, Like, think about this.
That was the idea when writing this portion of the book,
like wake up, Jason, like, think about this stuff. And
the idea is to connect to a reader like I'm
sure we all, every person in this room has made
mistakes within their relationship and finances. So that was like
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the the idea with it. But that's one headline. There's
many others, but I don't think that headline's probably a
depiction of the others.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Then there will be.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Hit movies, yeah, and I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So you know, that's what's interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And I've read a lot of those lately and I think,
what's you know, the one thing about headlines and the
one thing about relationships and breakups and perspectives and however
anyone wants to talk is in twenty twenty four. It's
really tough to rewrite history with words. So you know,
you can say what you want and you can put
things out there, and you can have different captions and
(30:23):
you know, different things out there. But when there's enough
public record or things, you really can't rewrite history as
much as you want to. No matter what types of
form of kind of deception someone may or may not
try to display, you just can't rewrite history.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Well, to close this, Jason, you do have a book
coming out, as we've mentioned, why should somebody out there
who's listening want to read your book?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Talk money to me?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Talk money to me.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
So, if you don't know how to invest, it all like,
if you just step by step of how.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
To invest, that's one.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
If you don't know how to budget, gives you a
step by step of how to budget. If you don't
know how to pay down your debt or understand your debt,
gives you a step by step of how to do that.
If you don't know how to think about the idea
of working with banks to get your first mortgage, or
maybe use equity lines to increase your wealth, like the
basic idea of using lending to get approved and to
(31:29):
then build your worth. This book will help you do it.
And then in the book every line or every word
that is said that might be confusing in the business space,
there's a full glossary and that's just the business aspect.
If you're then thinking about, like how do I talk
money to myself because I don't have a great relationship
with money, this book will teach you to do it.
And if you're working with another partner to like build in,
(31:52):
move in together and build a long lasting relationship of
wealth is won, this book will teach you how to
do it. So it's an intersection of love and money.
There's so many books about how to master love. There's
so many books how to master money. And love and
money are a huge part of like everyone's life and
how we exist is one. So that's the kind of
the premise about the book. And then the other thing
(32:13):
too is unfortunately in this world, like you look at
true crime and all the things we do, we learn
through hardships. There's a lot of really crazy stories out
there of people who learned in.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Really really really hard.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Ways like getting married, getting a mortgage, and instantly the
next day IRS Boom has a taxling on their whole
house because they didn't recognize their husband they just married
has a huge IRS taxling. There's a lot of stories
that we can learn through their experiences.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So that's a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So the number one reason, right, So the number one
reason people get divorce, breakup whatever money have these have
these discussions. You and I talked about this so and
look someday you'll end up in a room with Ben
and I and slack slash joggers boots with no socks
and shirt that's a jacket.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Look at how far you've come.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Look how far you've come.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Here we are, Jason, seriously, man, I appreciate you sitting
down again and sitting down with Ben and I and uh,
I'm glad we're all here. It's ah we said it
with Dean and uh, you know, Bob Getty's coming in
and a bunch of friends are here, and it's always
good to get everybody together. Check out the book Talk
Money to Me drops in April. Trading Secrets. The podcast,
(33:27):
which I've listened to many many times over is brilliant
stuff on the economic side of life. So many just
simple things we should all be doing.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Thank you guys for having me. Well let me ask
you too, now, Well I got you. As you're wrapping up,
you can ask me anything. Two married men here, you've
had a lot of success. One piece of advice for me.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What do you got?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Give me feedback, Tell me what I could do better,
Tell me what I needed to do more of or
less of.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Let's end with the two guys who have done it successfully,
teaching the guy who hasn't done it right.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I'll start here.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, my honest opinion is this take some time, and
I mean this in the bottom of my heart, takes
some time to decipher through all this bs right now
and figure out what you want. I journaled, which was
(34:22):
a huge gift to me because I knew what I
was looking for before this whole experience and then after.
But figure out what right now you feel like you're
missing and be okay admitting it and figuring out like
there's a person out there for you who fills those
gaps you know. For me, this world was spinning faster
(34:44):
than I could consume, and a lot of my friends
and family were telling me, hey, you're never going to
be that guy that can stay relevant, that can stay influential,
that can stay in the spotlight.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You're not that guy.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And I want to fight that, like, no, I can
be that guy, and they're like, you're not going to
be that guy. It's not who you are, Ben, And
finally I had realized I wasn't that guy, Like that
wasn't what made me happy. When me happy was a
life of somebody that would give me security, simplicity, con
tim and but also pushed me to be the man
I always dreamed of being. And when I finally realized that, hey,
(35:21):
maybe my life wouldn't be marrying somebody that was in
the spot i'd been marrying somebody who maybe made me
my better self, then everything made more sense.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
And so.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
You know, the success financially or whatever that looked like
like that just maybe comes or it's kind of up
to you. But when it comes to a partner, for me,
it was just like in a sense, like settling into
what I knew would be my best partner and not
looking for whatever can make the headlines just and I
will make the headlines. Very often we go to bed
(35:55):
a fifteen. We watch a lot of Gardens of the
Galaxy or whatever's on TV. And when I lay in
bed at night, Jason and I look at her and
she lays her head on my chest. We have a
dog on my feet. I'll tear up saying it. There's
many a night's where I look at her and I
(36:17):
tell her like, this is my dream. And I never
maybe when I was on.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
The show, I never believed it would be, but it is.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And so I just say take a second and step
away and just say, hey, outside of all this craziness,
what do I dream of?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But what did I dream of? And go back to that.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That's good advice. It's great advice.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
You didn't think when we were eating pot Brownie's in
Jamaica you were going to have the dream?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Goodness gracious, and the thunderstorm came in. Remember that? Yeah,
goodness gracious.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Chris, No, it was Wilson. I mean, you and I
have talked business, but I I it's funny. The first
thing that struck me. And I wouldn't say it as
poetically as Ben just did, but same thing. I was like,
you know, if I'm giving advice to you, it's be
single embrace it.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And I don't mean go play the field and you know,
be a slut. I just mean And if you, by
the way, if you want to knock yourself out, I
don't care. But it's it's takes some time, and that's all.
That's what That's what Ben was saying. And I agree,
take some time to get your sea legs about you.
And you know, you, whether you know it or not,
you got rocked. And you know, life's a little crazy
(37:35):
with the headlines and with all the crap going on,
and when we go through stuff like that, you just
need a minute, right, and you just need to give
yourself some grace, give yourself some time. And you're a
smart guy, and you have a lot of people around
you that love you to death. And like no one's
I mean by no means is anyone worried about you.
You're doing just fine. But and you know, the successive
(37:56):
business and all that stuff's going to come. But it's
just what I want for you, the same thing Ben
and all your friends want for you is to also
find somebody to share it with.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah you will, yeah, and you will.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
It's one of these things. It's like life prepares like
life only prepares you for so much. You gotta live,
you gotta learn. And then break ups no matter who
you are, are really tough. And then this whole other
aspect that we talked about today, right, like all this
other noise enters and the and the only world.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
The word I can think.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Of is like paralysis.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Like I just like sometimes you sit back and you're like,
I'm paralyzed. Do you do you like fight for what's right?
Do you just shut the hell up? Do you just
go away and never come back? Do I just click
the switch off and just turn around? So it's good
to hear about this because no one, no one really prepared,
and you both have been through it. No one prepared.
(38:45):
There's no book to teach you how to deal with
all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Like it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
It's truly like drinking water from a fire. It's you
are nowhere prepared for it. When you were kind of
shot out of this cannon and I went through it,
even when you know, I got divorced and I started
dating again, and it's like, oh my god, like it's
it was you enter a world you're like, you know
you have it's a whole different world than when you
(39:09):
were single before and when when you were on the show,
and so enjoy that and experiment and then make your
mistakes and fail and laugh about it. And then eventually
you're going to get to the point where you see
the ridiculousness and all of it and you're going to
settle in and you'll find somebody.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
It'll be wonderful.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Exactly until then, enjoy it, yeah, I think, because the
thing is like in this space, you're damned if you do.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
You're damned if you don't.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
You jump on the mic with Chris and Ben instantly
I'll get for just even talking, right, or you'll get love.
You just don't know. And I think the biggest thing
I've learned, even through like my therapist, is like, stop,
when you experience things in life, when you walk into them,
think about your experience and less about how people are
experiencing you. We get so focused in this world how
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everyone is experiencing and consuming us, as opposed to like,
what is my experience in this moment, the way I'm thinking,
the way I'm talking, and just continue to proceed, like
with character, in the way that you normally would. And
if you're worry about your experience, the wrestle fall in
the place. So so I'm trying to do.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Hey, man, Ben Higgins, bring us home, Jason, nobody's worried
about you.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You're gonna do a great man. Chris is right, you're doing.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
You're a great dude who were just so thankful to
be out here with and thanks for sitting down with us,
Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Thanks for teaching us the things that you got to
teach us.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
When it comes to I mean, in five years, will
be hopefully sitting maybe not in this room, but in
a different room, maybe in this room, and you're gonna
be teaching us or teaching somebody new. Chris and I
will be retired at that point. I hope the.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Figures will be long dead.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, nobody can sit at my grave site.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
But you're going to be teaching somebody new who comes
through this world or through a different world, the same
stuff we're talking about today. We're like, hey, I've been
in your shoes. Yeah yeah, and that's such a cool thing.
And we've seen it over and over again as we've
been here for eight plus years since the show, and Chris,
I don't know, fifty years.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
For some red wine on the Grave.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, this has.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Been there a couple of tear drops.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
We've been here with the Most Dramatic podcast ever and
almost this podcast, but Jason just thanks for hanging out
with us and this weekend.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You guys for having me guys.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Love you, Love you guys, always a pleasure. Follow the
Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeartRadio or
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Speaker 2 (41:45):
Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the Most
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This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The most dramatic podcast ever iHeartRadio. Hi everybody, I.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Ben Higgins and I'm Chris Harrison.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever with Ashley.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I and she's not here, So as a result, Chris
and I are going to co host this with one
of our favorite people in the world, Jason Tartik.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Jared, Jared's here.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We are in uh well been tell them where we are.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
We are in Carmel, California. This is a very special
event for iHeart. We bring anybody we can out to
iHeart to interview them because we like them. So Jason,
you were in here earlier. But when Chris and I
were talking about this with Dean, we said, this trip
is really meant for us to invite people we like
to hang out with to catch up in our lives,
(00:49):
and you're definitely one of those people, and so tonight
I don't think it's a secret that we have a
lot to catch up with you on. But then also
we want to talk to you about your future, like
what's exciting outside of you know, obviously what's going on
in the news right now.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But let's obviously start with you, should we start with
the Middle East?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Where should we start? What problems should we solve? Tonight
after four bottles of wine at the Mission Ranch.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Well, I think, Chris, the thing we should start with
is Jason, are you single?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Guys? It's good to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
I got Dean here, Chris here, Ben here. I feel
like I'm back in twenty eighteen. It is good to
be here. Jay and I am I single.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes, Jay and I had a long talk and because
he came to Austin and I hung out for a
while and he was a the only person who I've
ever done a podcast with at my house and then
he spent the night. We had a sleepover.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We had a sleepover. Yeah, why did that happen?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I want to hear the backstory, because what happened We
were going to dinner to night and I was standing
next to Lauren and she goes, I love Jason Tartick.
I said, that's great. I love Jason Tartick. But why
do you love Jason Tartick? Was because Jason Tartick helped
break down boxes at my house.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The guy did one nice thing. He's gotten He's gotten
more mileage off of this one benevolent.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You've done it one hundred times for her.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I've been breaking up boxes, taking out the trash for
five years. You know, jay comes by one afternoon, kicks
a box and she's like, Oh, he's the greatest guy
in the world, living with Gandhi.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
All of a sudden, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
He's been he's been selling that for a while. But
you know, we did, we we got deep.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
It was.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was honestly a very emotional night for both of us.
So we kinda we got done and we we just
kind of went down the hall in separate ways and we're.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Like, we just got to be Yeah, quiet time. It was.
It was. It was a deep one. It was a
good one.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It was therapeutic. It was good and thank you for.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Cathartic and I think it was something we needed. And
it's something like we've all become good friends. We can
all have these conversations and it's probably dangerous to be
doing this after, you know, four bottles of wine. But
Jaye and I did talk about him being single and
about looking for love. And I'm sure you've dated more
since I've seen you out.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
There, We've talked, you've seen me. Where have you seen me.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean the thing with Jay is Instagram is the
tip of the iceberg. Yea ninety percent of it is
below the water. So if I'm seeing of the entertainment life,
I can only imagine what's going on.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's good. Yeah, life is good.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
It's it's changed a lot since our last conversation. So
everything is going because, well.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, how's it changed? Because you seem like you're on
the uptick.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I think, like last time we talked, Like obviously there
are a lot of emotions. What's good about emotions is
you get those things out, you name it to drain it,
and you go through the grieving process. I've gone through
that process. I have full acceptance and so that feels good.
I feel lighter every day.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
For me, I was watching from the outside, so I
got to see the headlines and listen to the episode.
The two of you are great at that, Like I
had no doubt that the two of you would dive
in authentically and really pull out the emotions. And I
think it's good for people to hear because it does
like the reactions are very positive, Like it keeps people
(04:20):
update updated with where you're at in life, Jason, but
we're here now, Like, I guess the question I have
for you is, like, what are you looking forward to
now in the future, Like this is a whole new
start for you. If they listen to the podcast on
the most dramatic podcast ever and they kind of got
a baseline of where you're at in life. Now we're
(04:42):
here in Carmel a few months later, a month later, Like,
what's next for you?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna give
me that platform with these two giant podcast hosts, I
gotta take the platform to do a little plug. I
have a new book coming out right talk money to me,
So I'm very focused on that book. I'm also very
transparent with things like that. If I sell one book,
or I sell I don't know, probably fifty thousand books,
(05:08):
it's not gonna put another penny in my pocket. I'm
just very passionate about the subject matter of we have
to learn finances, and then when we learn finances, we
have to learn how to protect them with ourselves, grow
them with ourselves, and then grow as a unit with
someone else. So the new book comes out in April.
I'm excited for that. Future I'm excited for. I have
an agency that's that's really really doing well. We doubled
(05:29):
our revenue last year. We're probably gonna hit close to
eight figures this year, which is exciting. And I don't know,
I think aside from just business, it's more of this.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm in this weird phase of life where I've thought
about it.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I really haven't been single, like straight up single, single
since like twenty seventeen. Okay, so let me just explain
that briefly. They start casting for The Bachelor in early
twenty eighteen, like early late twenty seventeen. You go on
the show, got off the show, then the show shows
airing was in the top three, so they have to like,
you know, they kind of give you the guidance, like
watch what you're doing. So I was careful, so there
(06:07):
was probably like a two to three month window. I
was single in twenty eighteen, and then ex and I
are together, we break up. It's really been since twenty
seventeen I've been single, and then ten years through my twenties,
I was like corporate soldier, tell me where to go,
how to go. So this is the first time in
my life that I have like financial freedom. I'm single,
(06:28):
and I could just do what I want to do,
how I want, when I want. So this is the
year for me. Like aside from all that work stuff
that I put out there, I'm just like, I don't
know if I could swear in this podcast, but I'm
just like.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
For get, like just let loosen enjoy dangeriously awesome combination.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it is because you said things.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Have changed since our podcast the last time we unite chatted,
and that was you were still. I would I would say,
if we could name it, you were in the morning phase,
You're still. I was figuring things out in the morning.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I was screaming through different like through through like baring
and trying to figure out.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yea, name it and label it and figure out where
it goes. Of course, yeah, now if we're going to
label this chapter, where are we?
Speaker 5 (07:11):
It's acceptance and pure, purest form of clarity and uh
and it just excited, like excited for what's next in
my life. I don't I want to have family. I
want to have kids. I recognize I'm thirty five, so
I know that there's there's only so much time for
this period of my life where I could just be
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the main priority and go. So I would name it
as like clarity, go and stop overthinking, just like go,
go do it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So you have the business, little financial freedom, you've dealt
with all the issues, and my guess is you've you're
also realizing, you know, you gotta mody theme of fame,
right you have a little name recognition out there. So
you're enjoying this chapter right now?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
It seems I don't, so when you phrase it like that,
I don't the whole Like those things are great, but
that's not why I'm enjoying it. Truly, I'm enjoying it
because for so long I've been so bogged down of
worrying about everyone else and taking care of everyone else,
and and if you get into like therapy, it's the rescuer,
(08:21):
which is like an unhealthy version of the coach. And
I'm excited to just take care of me and so
fame whatever, all that bullsh like, I don't care. It's
just like I have so much light that I don't
feel so much empathy for people I once loved, and
I feel so much care for what I want. And
so that's truly what I'm most excited about, right, Like
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all that stuff is like bullshit. I think all the
fame and all these things we get it helps.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It helps on a business level. It helps with you,
It helps with the podcast, it.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Plays out in it, it plays in it. One hundred
percent helps. You can't deny that all that stuff helps,
but it all that does to me is just give.
It provides an ability to have financial freedom, and financial
freedom that allows me to do what I want, ie
coming out to Carmel for a couple of days to
see people I love and have cared for since twenty eighteen.
(09:13):
I think it's cool in this world, Like how often
do you meet people from an unscripted show and then
six years later, whether we're on the mic or not,
we're checking in Ben, We're calling each other, talking business,
talking about the mastermind stuff, Chris, how's life, How's family?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
How's married life?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
To me, that is such a cool thing.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So it's a mix of everything, I guess, But to me,
it's the financial freedom I guess that it provides. And
who knows when it ends right? Just you know it
can all end tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, you're doing a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I mean, Chris and I talked earlier, and we talked
with Dean about the passions and what has been created
from the show, and you've done a lot, you know,
you'd be a great example to many on what you
can do with the opportunities provided. And then I also
to believe if you never went on the show, you
would have done great with or without it. But I
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think the big question for so many, and myself included,
is what are you looking for?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Like what is this next season?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
If you dreamed of what this next season would look
like for you, like, what are the things in the
future that you would love to have like attached to
the Jason name?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So be a little more specific because I could, I
could Relationship? What does what does family look like to you?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
What does this?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I mean You've created some incredible businesses there, like you said,
are hopefully going to create eight figures in twenty twenty four? Yeah,
but like like when you look at the end of
twenty twenty four, maybeah, we're in December.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Let's say, like, what do you hope is attached to
your name?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I think if I look at like personally, let's do
I think, like, let's look five, let's.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Look like three to five years, right, three.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
To five years. I would love to be married with kids,
find my person and then professionally, I've learned that you
can have all these aspirations and dreams, and I think
everyone here we know curveballs come our way and you
just expect the unexpected. So just try and be better
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than I was yesterday, Like learn from yesterday and try
and be and grow as an individual within like the
different tracks I'm kind of going right, So but for me,
it's like continue to explore, to find myself, learn from
the mistakes, and then I don't know, I want to
find someone right, like.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
That is the goal.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Like when I think about my personal life, like I
want a family and I want to have kids, and
those are things I want and I have so much.
It took me a long time in life to learn confidence,
long time poster syndrome, all these things. When it comes
to professional world, I just I know I have confidence
that if I'm backed against the wall, I'm going to
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figure it out. I know I'm going to. So now
I'm just so much more focused on do the things
I know I can do and work, but like also
just developing myself every day in a way I can
just be a better person of myself if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It does, and I don't want this to be a
bash on Caitlin because you and I both know Caitlyn well.
Chris knows Caitlyn well. We're friends with Caitlin. But relationships
that don't work out teach you something.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
They do.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Like with my relationship with Lauren, it taught me something.
And you know now that I'm with Jess, she was
the person I was looking for. What characteristics in the
next partner are you kind of looking for? Because I
know there's a lot of women out there that are
probably like I would love to date adjacent partik, like
he is a really attractive dude who has this stuff together.
(12:43):
But like, as you've kind of gone through different seasons
of life, what characteristics are you looking for your next partner?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Number one, for sure is a unit in which the
support that's given is match in return. Number two, I
would say, is uh, honesty and integrity. I think when
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you get caught in love clouds, it's easy to avoid a.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Lot of those things.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I think number three is we live in a world
in which so much is working against relationships and so
much as working against happiness, and I think the more
happiness you have, the more envy there becomes. And when
that envy enters, you need such a solid unit that
your partner in the room with you and without you
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in the room is there for you and they have
your back.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
So those are three huge things.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That I'll be looking for.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
What were you blinded by with the love? What the
love cloud thing is interesting?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean the love clouds in and I hate
to bring it back to the book by do my
background's business and finance and accounting.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
That's that's my heart. My grandpa told me.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
It's taught me at sixteen, and I think it's the
perspective is even in the book, like I was so
caught up in the love cloud, even fundamentals that I
know and teach and preach every day, I didn't even
look into I talk about it in the book. And
so I think in general, anyone that's out there, if
you've gotten caught in the love.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Clouds, it's easy to lose sight.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Of a lot of things, some of the things already
mentioned and some of the things that you might know
better than the back of your hand. And sometimes you
have to take a beat to say just check in, right,
like check in with yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Are you saying you lost yourself? In this relationship, you're good,
I think.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I think, yeah, I think that's I think that's a
very fair assessment there that there were times in this
relationship that I I had lost myself and as a
result of that, you get caught.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Up in like a cloud of.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
You're so into the love of it and the idea
of it, you lose focus of kind of like your
just overall compass direction and foundational focus for what is
right and isn't right. And I think I could be wrong,
but I do think there's a lot of people out
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there that when love enters, you start to be blinded
by those things, right, because you're so infactuated with that
overwhelming feeling of bliss that you have been searching for,
whether it's been a month, two months, a year, three years,
whatever it might be. And that's a good learning lesson
(15:54):
for me.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Chris and I were talking about earlier, and you and
I actually were talking about the airport and you asked
me a question, like, two years in a marriage, what's
life look like? You know, like what is it? Because
it's a good question, like I couldn't answer that before
two years of marriage, I wouldn't know. And I said,
(16:26):
you know, if I were to I'm speaking to church
on Sunday, and I'm speaking to it like at some
point a group that's single, and the one thing I
want to make sure to implement into them is one
singleness is fine, like be single as long as you
need to be single. The second is when you get married,
Like when you're committing to somebody, there's a beauty and
(16:48):
the fact that now in two years in this I
can confidently tell you that there is a partner out
there that will release like some type of stress in
your life, not all stress.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
There's a whole new stres to marriage. But for me,
like my life.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Is freer now that I'm married, like my life like, yes,
there's a whole new burden that has been placed on
myself as a husband. But overall I found an incredible partner,
like an amazing woman who wants my life to be better,
who wants her life to be better, and as a result,
like she wants to support both those things.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And I didn't know that when I was in your position.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I went through a breakup on this show, and at
that point in time for me, I was in a
spiral of like maybe life is never what I thought
it would be like, maybe marriage is not whatever a
picture it would be.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Maybe it would be full of pain and like I.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Would have to sacrifice a lot, but it's not that.
Like for me, I don't have to sacrifice a lot
for my marriage other than just trying to be a
good husband to my wife. Yeah, and I think that's
exciting for you, Like you're in a very similar position
at this point in time where you're coming out of
this relationship and let's we don't need a bad mouth
or or like put hate on either one of you,
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but both of you hold a deep level of respect
in our hearts. But it wasn't right. So now you
enter it like out of that into this whole new season.
And I know Chris and I talked about earlier, we're
excited for you on what this new partnership looks like.
And that's why I ask you the question, like what
are you looking for now? And Chris, you know, went
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even better than than I could and say, like what
does that like love cloud look like?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah? Yeah, I think I think. Yeah, I think you
bring up a few good points. I think.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Even when you look at just you talking about like
I know you said you don't want to bad mouth anyone,
and I don't think anyone should be. I think even
when you look at why relationships didn't work, that's why
I even hate even stepping into these conversations. To Chris
I mentioned on your podcast, it's always I always start
to I could feel it. I am already deregulated talking
(18:56):
about it. Why am I deregulated talking about it? Do
you regulate talking about it? Because I have a very
very long laundry list of why things didn't work out
in this relationship, right and my ex also has a
very long list, And there's no way those lists connect.
And my perspective is going to be a lot of
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hear saying and opinions, and her perspective is going to
be a lot of hearsaying opinions. And when you enter
into conversations like this with friends and mutual friends and
a world that's so small, I want to treat it
with the same respect I would expect my significant other.
And while I don't think that's been the case at
this point, I'm still gonna stand here and not really
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dive into those things.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right, So, there's.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Reasons why it didn't work out, there's reasons why we
are where we are, And I think to your point, Ben,
all you can do in these situations, the only thing
is look in the mirror and say where did I miss?
Where can I be better? How do I grieve and
get clarity? And for my next partner, I better show
up in a million better ways. And I didn't show
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up in my last relationship. And that's the journey I'm
on right now.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Are you surprised the breakups had such a shelf life
that it's you know, there's still headlines, there's still.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No why you.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
When you start to read and see the same you
read the same book, and then you read it over,
you know how it plays out. When you watch the
same movie and then you watch it again, you.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
See how it plays out. And there's been.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
A lot of conversations about a lot of x's of
my ex that one year, two year, five year, six year,
seven year plus continue to hit headlines.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So I'm not.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Surprised, Chris says the question for you, though you've been
around the show, you've been around the relationships maybe for
a while.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Why do headlines play out?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You know?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
For mine, I felt like it was a shelf life,
like it was like a six month shelf life, whereas
like felt like the world was falling down around me
and then it never like really existed again.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
When you're I mean, and Jay and I talked about this.
When you're you know, when you're in that tempest, it
feels all consuming, you know. And I've talked to people
that are on the show when they're going through stuff,
and I'm like, look, I know, it feels like the
waves are crashing over your head and you you know,
but if you took a look from you know, thirty
fifty thousand feet, you'd realize this is such a minuscule
part of your life and a minuscule part of the world.
(21:43):
But you know, we don't ever have that perspective when
we're going through stuff. I mean, it's impossible, right because
you're we're all self absorbed, we're self involved, and when
things are happening to us, it's magnificent, right, It's huge,
no matter what it is. And so that's only human nature.
But what's interesting is, right, these things usually have a
shelf life. If they continue to exist and prolong and
(22:09):
seem to be exacerbated, it's there's usually a reason why.
And it's interesting. It's like, you know, and usually it's
because someone wants it to write. It's someone is propelling
it to make that happen. And I've just noticed, like
the headlines continue.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And what headlines continue? Though?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Why to?
Speaker 5 (22:30):
But like I think that the idea behind the headlines
are things A lot has to happen, right, and a
lot has happened, you know a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Has happened well, And look click in our day and
age to clickbait is a wonderful thing. As Ben looks
up the headline, you know it is. It's interesting when
you live in a world where we want one answer.
Like you said, Caitlin has a laundry list of reasons
why this relationship didn't work. You have a laundry list
of reasons why this didn't work. But for the and
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when you're in a room like this with a bunch
of friendlies and people that love you, and we're talking
and we know the layers of this thing and there
are many layers to it, there always are. But when
you get removed from it and it's just the listener
and they're just looking for that one reason, right, we
all we all want that one reason. Why give me
(23:24):
the magic bullet. There's never a magic bullet. There is
never a magic bullet when there's a breakup. There's always multiple,
multiple layers to how it got to that point. But
in this day and age of the clickbait and the headline,
we all want that, right, we all want that one
reason of why did Caitlin or why did Jason? You know,
(23:44):
like this will this will solve everything, and it's that's
that's never the case, but the headlines will keep going
because obviously it's getting the only reason. There's good feedback.
People are listening and people are watching.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I mean there's investment, and I think that maybe means
people are invested in the relationship or people are invested
into the breakup.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I don't know if we can that's good.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean it's a good debate if like I mean,
clearly people are interested in Caitlin. Clearly people are interested
in you. I mean it goes to your you know,
the q Q rating, right, I mean obviously you were
in the zeitgeist and people were interested in what's going
on with Jason and what's going on with Caitlin, and
so like this, you know, it only prolongs if people
are interested.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, I mean my take on it prolonging is just like,
I don't. I'm not the kind of guy that's going
to step into stuff unless I have to protest for myself.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Right, and I don't. And there's you know, there's been
a lot of.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Interesting things, right, but I'm not going to step into
anything unless I really unless it's truly directed. And there's
been a lot of like it seems like passive aggressive
little digs here and there interpretations.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But yeah, I mean it's just it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And yeah, it's an interesting like dichotomy of analyzing all that, right.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I Mean, the funny thing is the three of us
sitting here have all been in the same spot to
a certain degree. We've all been a part of the headlines.
We've all been on the good end of them and
the really shitty end of them. Yeah, and you know,
they they're both through the extremes. And when you're on
the bad end, and when things keep going, it's like, Okay,
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you think it's over, and then there's another Yeah, there's
another one.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, and it's it's tough.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I mean, I know, you know Ben with Lauren when
he was going through it, I dealt with him and
with you and then you guys both dealt with it
with my Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
It's a lot. I think in defense to both sides
or any sides, or your side or anyone sides and
your break upside. Whatever headlines right, the idea like just
the business of it. You create a headline so people click.
The only thing these magazines are looking at it how
many people click through? If people keep clicking through, they
will continue to create those headlines. And those headlines are
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always going to be taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
To get you to click through.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
What I would say to anybody that is reading a
headline is like, actually read the full article. Then make
your interpretation.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Just go for paragraphs, just go for yeah, just read that.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean, here's the headline here, this is what
I was talking about. So it was published day, says
Jason Tartick. Would have told himself to wake the hell
up before moving in with ex Caitlin Bristow. So I
haven't done this yet, But if I scrolled down to.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
The bottom, which is a freaking long article, man.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I could, I could, says, I can interrupt you and
it will finish it, finish it, though, I could, I could.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Tell the final paragraph says, Now this changed throughout the
years of our relationship. But the point but to point
you a picture of how uninformed we were. Here is
a detailed list of all the numbers we didn't know
before moving in together, right, and it goes through credit score,
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total incomes.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Total Trading Secrets podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
So well, I'll bring like, let's talk.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
That's why I love the podcast I've run because we
give behind the scenes of stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So behind the scenes. I have a book coming out. Again.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
If I sell one book or ten thousand, I'm not
going to make any more books in April.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The book drops in April.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
But the point is is that we had to with
a big publisher, we have to get an exclusives.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
That's what you have to do. So who do we
get an exclusive with? We get it with people.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
What does people do? They give a book exclusive. It
gives credibility. So then what you do is you hand
them the manuscript. So you give them the manuscript and
then you don't have control over what they write. Now,
the whole entire point of that that headline is such
fucking bullshit because it provides zero context to the conversation.
The first two chapters is to show relatability that no
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matter who's out there, even a guy like not trying
to put myself, but even guy who's got an MBA
in accounting and finance and has lent hundreds of millions
of dollars in underwrote bank loans, he's still through a
relationship and love got lost in some of the things
that matter when you look at something as a unit.
And it was all in the first two chapters of
me saying this is where.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I screwed up.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I want to show you my cards because I'm writing
this book based on where I screwed up. Here are
things you could do better. Yeah, So then they take
a line that's going to get.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
People to click through. So that's a headline there.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
But the psychology of like why this, Like I mean,
why are we still talking about the breakup? I mean,
I think a lot of people can interpret that a
lot of ways. But it's an interesting discussion. Yeah, that's
a lot.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
So it's a twist in a sense promoting your book
which goes through all those things. Yeah, but it is
a twist a little bit on like the overall message
of hey, before you entern in a relationship or before
you take these big decisions in life, think about XYZ
correct And they say.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The headline is like wake the hell up.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Exactly, But for you, it's like just in general, whoever
you're at, whoever you are, wherever you're at in life,
think about these things before you enter into these big commitments.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
It was more of like if I'm asking you Ben
for advice and you're saying to me, Jason, you know,
I screwed this up here and there, and I said
to myself, Ben, wake the hell up, Like, think about this.
That was the idea when writing this portion of the book,
like wake up, Jason, like, think about this stuff. And
the idea is to connect to a reader like I'm
sure we all, every person in this room has made
mistakes within their relationship and finances. So that was like
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the the idea with it. But that's one headline. There's
many others, but I don't think that headline's probably a
depiction of the others.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Then there will be.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Hit movies, yeah, and I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So you know, that's what's interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And I've read a lot of those lately and I think,
what's you know, the one thing about headlines and the
one thing about relationships and breakups and perspectives and however
anyone wants to talk is in twenty twenty four. It's
really tough to rewrite history with words. So you know,
you can say what you want and you can put
things out there, and you can have different captions and
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you know, different things out there. But when there's enough
public record or things, you really can't rewrite history as
much as you want to. No matter what types of
form of kind of deception someone may or may not
try to display, you just can't rewrite history.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
All right.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Well, to close this, Jason, you do have a book
coming out, as we've mentioned, why should somebody out there
who's listening want to read your book?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Talk money to me?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Talk money to me.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
So, if you don't know how to invest, it all like,
if you just step by step of how.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
To invest, that's one.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
If you don't know how to budget, gives you a
step by step of how to budget. If you don't
know how to pay down your debt or understand your debt,
gives you a step by step of how to do that.
If you don't know how to think about the idea
of working with banks to get your first mortgage, or
maybe use equity lines to increase your wealth, like the
basic idea of using lending to get approved and to
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then build your worth. This book will help you do it.
And then in the book every line or every word
that is said that might be confusing in the business space,
there's a full glossary and that's just the business aspect.
If you're then thinking about, like how do I talk
money to myself because I don't have a great relationship
with money, this book will teach you to do it.
And if you're working with another partner to like build in,
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move in together and build a long lasting relationship of
wealth is won, this book will teach you how to
do it. So it's an intersection of love and money.
There's so many books about how to master love. There's
so many books how to master money. And love and
money are a huge part of like everyone's life and
how we exist is one. So that's the kind of
the premise about the book. And then the other thing
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too is unfortunately in this world, like you look at
true crime and all the things we do, we learn
through hardships. There's a lot of really crazy stories out
there of people who learned in.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Really really really hard.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Ways like getting married, getting a mortgage, and instantly the
next day IRS Boom has a taxling on their whole
house because they didn't recognize their husband they just married
has a huge IRS taxling. There's a lot of stories
that we can learn through their experiences.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So that's a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So the number one reason, right, So the number one
reason people get divorce, breakup whatever money have these have
these discussions. You and I talked about this so and
look someday you'll end up in a room with Ben
and I and slack slash joggers boots with no socks
and shirt that's a jacket.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Look at how far you've come.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Look how far you've come.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Here we are, Jason, seriously, man, I appreciate you sitting
down again and sitting down with Ben and I and uh,
I'm glad we're all here. It's ah we said it
with Dean and uh, you know, Bob Getty's coming in
and a bunch of friends are here, and it's always
good to get everybody together. Check out the book Talk
Money to Me drops in April. Trading Secrets. The podcast,
(33:27):
which I've listened to many many times over is brilliant
stuff on the economic side of life. So many just
simple things we should all be doing.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Thank you guys for having me. Well let me ask
you too, now, Well I got you. As you're wrapping up,
you can ask me anything. Two married men here, you've
had a lot of success. One piece of advice for me.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What do you got?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Give me feedback, Tell me what I could do better,
Tell me what I needed to do more of or
less of.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Let's end with the two guys who have done it successfully,
teaching the guy who hasn't done it right.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I'll start here.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes, my honest opinion is this take some time, and
I mean this in the bottom of my heart, takes
some time to decipher through all this bs right now
and figure out what you want. I journaled, which was
(34:22):
a huge gift to me because I knew what I
was looking for before this whole experience and then after.
But figure out what right now you feel like you're
missing and be okay admitting it and figuring out like
there's a person out there for you who fills those
gaps you know. For me, this world was spinning faster
(34:44):
than I could consume, and a lot of my friends
and family were telling me, hey, you're never going to
be that guy that can stay relevant, that can stay influential,
that can stay in the spotlight.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You're not that guy.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And I want to fight that, like, no, I can
be that guy, and they're like, you're not going to
be that guy. It's not who you are, Ben, And
finally I had realized I wasn't that guy, Like that
wasn't what made me happy. When me happy was a
life of somebody that would give me security, simplicity, con
tim and but also pushed me to be the man
I always dreamed of being. And when I finally realized that, hey,
(35:21):
maybe my life wouldn't be marrying somebody that was in
the spot i'd been marrying somebody who maybe made me
my better self, then everything made more sense.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
And so.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
You know, the success financially or whatever that looked like
like that just maybe comes or it's kind of up
to you. But when it comes to a partner, for me,
it was just like in a sense, like settling into
what I knew would be my best partner and not
looking for whatever can make the headlines just and I
will make the headlines. Very often we go to bed
(35:55):
a fifteen. We watch a lot of Gardens of the
Galaxy or whatever's on TV. And when I lay in
bed at night, Jason and I look at her and
she lays her head on my chest. We have a
dog on my feet. I'll tear up saying it. There's
many a night's where I look at her and I
(36:17):
tell her like, this is my dream. And I never
maybe when I was on.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
The show, I never believed it would be, but it is.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And so I just say take a second and step
away and just say, hey, outside of all this craziness,
what do I dream of?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
But what did I dream of? And go back to that.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That's good advice. It's great advice.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
You didn't think when we were eating pot Brownie's in
Jamaica you were going to have the dream?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Goodness gracious, and the thunderstorm came in. Remember that? Yeah,
goodness gracious.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Chris, No, it was Wilson. I mean, you and I
have talked business, but I I it's funny. The first
thing that struck me. And I wouldn't say it as
poetically as Ben just did, but same thing. I was like,
you know, if I'm giving advice to you, it's be
single embrace it.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And I don't mean go play the field and you know,
be a slut. I just mean And if you, by
the way, if you want to knock yourself out, I
don't care. But it's it's takes some time, and that's all.
That's what That's what Ben was saying. And I agree,
take some time to get your sea legs about you.
And you know, you, whether you know it or not,
you got rocked. And you know, life's a little crazy
(37:35):
with the headlines and with all the crap going on,
and when we go through stuff like that, you just
need a minute, right, and you just need to give
yourself some grace, give yourself some time. And you're a
smart guy, and you have a lot of people around
you that love you to death. And like no one's
I mean by no means is anyone worried about you.
You're doing just fine. But and you know, the successive
(37:56):
business and all that stuff's going to come. But it's
just what I want for you, the same thing Ben
and all your friends want for you is to also
find somebody to share it with.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah you will, yeah, and you will.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
It's one of these things. It's like life prepares like
life only prepares you for so much. You gotta live,
you gotta learn. And then break ups no matter who
you are, are really tough. And then this whole other
aspect that we talked about today, right, like all this
other noise enters and the and the only world.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
The word I can think.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Of is like paralysis.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Like I just like sometimes you sit back and you're like,
I'm paralyzed. Do you do you like fight for what's right?
Do you just shut the hell up? Do you just
go away and never come back? Do I just click
the switch off and just turn around? So it's good
to hear about this because no one, no one really prepared,
and you both have been through it. No one prepared.
(38:45):
There's no book to teach you how to deal with
all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Like it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
It's truly like drinking water from a fire. It's you
are nowhere prepared for it. When you were kind of
shot out of this cannon and I went through it,
even when you know, I got divorced and I started
dating again, and it's like, oh my god, like it's
it was you enter a world you're like, you know
you have it's a whole different world than when you
(39:09):
were single before and when when you were on the show,
and so enjoy that and experiment and then make your
mistakes and fail and laugh about it. And then eventually
you're going to get to the point where you see
the ridiculousness and all of it and you're going to
settle in and you'll find somebody.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
It'll be wonderful.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Exactly until then, enjoy it, yeah, I think, because the
thing is like in this space, you're damned if you do.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
You're damned if you don't.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
You jump on the mic with Chris and Ben instantly
I'll get for just even talking, right, or you'll get love.
You just don't know. And I think the biggest thing
I've learned, even through like my therapist, is like, stop,
when you experience things in life, when you walk into them,
think about your experience and less about how people are
experiencing you. We get so focused in this world how
(39:55):
everyone is experiencing and consuming us, as opposed to like,
what is my experience in this moment, the way I'm thinking,
the way I'm talking, and just continue to proceed, like
with character, in the way that you normally would. And
if you're worry about your experience, the wrestle fall in
the place. So so I'm trying to do.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Hey, man, Ben Higgins, bring us home, Jason, nobody's worried
about you.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You're gonna do a great man. Chris is right, you're doing.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
You're a great dude who were just so thankful to
be out here with and thanks for sitting down with us,
Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Thanks for teaching us the things that you got to
teach us.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
When it comes to I mean, in five years, will
be hopefully sitting maybe not in this room, but in
a different room, maybe in this room, and you're gonna
be teaching us or teaching somebody new. Chris and I
will be retired at that point. I hope the.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Figures will be long dead.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, nobody can sit at my grave site.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
But you're going to be teaching somebody new who comes
through this world or through a different world, the same
stuff we're talking about today. We're like, hey, I've been
in your shoes. Yeah yeah, and that's such a cool thing.
And we've seen it over and over again as we've
been here for eight plus years since the show, and Chris,
I don't know, fifty years.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
For some red wine on the Grave.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, this has.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
Been there a couple of tear drops.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
We've been here with the Most Dramatic podcast ever and
almost this podcast, but Jason just thanks for hanging out
with us and this weekend.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You guys for having me guys.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Love you, Love you guys, always a pleasure. Follow the
Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeartRadio or
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Speaker 2 (41:45):
Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the Most
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next time.
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