Almost Famous OG: From The E.R. To The Bachelor with Dr. Travis Stork

Bob Guiney is going way back to The Bachelor season 8 to catch up with a true Bachelor Nation OG, Dr. Travis Stork!

The former leads compare their experiences on the show, and you won’t believe why Travis felt like he lived in a castle and Bob was in a haunted house!

We hear the story of how a camping trip that never happened could have completely changed the course of his season.

Plus, Dr. Stork answers our need-to-know health questions!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey everybody, Bob getting here for Almost Famous the OG Podcast.
I'm without my faithful partner in crime, Trista Sutter Nae Wren.
But today we are very excited to bring back a
wonderful guest, doctor Travis Stork. You'll know doctor Travis Stork
from the eighth season of The Bachelor as well as
fourteen seasons of TVs The Doctors where he was the

(00:30):
host and just an awesome guy. I love this guy.
He's such a great guest as well. He's willing to
talk about everything. So we're going to get into it
a little bit today because last night he was on
the show, we didn't really get into much about his
particularly unique season of The Bachelor. I spent mine in
a now completely foreclosed mansion in Malibu, not complaining because

(00:51):
it was still awesome. He, on the other hand, was
in this glorious castle in Paris, so we're going to
get into that. We're also going to talk about, you know,
some myths, maybe some food myths, some medical myths that
are out there, and we're also going.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
To find out, you know, what his favorite medical drama is.
So we got a lot in store for you. Let's
get into it. Let's bring him in, ladies and gentlemen,
Doctor Travis Stork. How goes it? Hey, Hey, what's up, buddy?
How are you let me dream? How about you?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, that's the same man, that's the same. We had
so much fun with you last time on the show.
We thought we got to bring you back and catch
up and check in with you. Are you Are you
still on sabbatical or where are you at with things
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'm working on a few things in the health space entrepreneurially,
but you know, primarily, as you know, the job number one,
two and three right now is daddy. I was going
to say, right around the house, you and me both, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Definitely makes it easy to kind of do an occasional
podcast from my guest room upstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
That it makes makes me feel better when you post
stuff about you being on vacation and the reality of
a life. Yeah, no, thank you man. Yeah, it's funny.
My My wife has become this this She really loves
doing Instagram stuff right and and I just don't really
enjoy it. So I'm always like, just run with it,

(02:14):
you know, whatever you want to do, And so she'll
put these like video montages together and everything, and for me,
it really is I'm just like, man, I'm getting a
lot of good time with my kids. I actually had
someone say to me the other day. They were like,
so do you even work, Like what's your job?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Because I mean, you know, all you do is vacation.
I'm like, hold on, I have kids, man, and they're
under six, so there's no such thing as vacation. All
it is is going to a different ZIP coding having
them you know, ignore me there.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Exceptance even a harder that's totally I've done with a
big trip to Colorado. And yeah, the kids obviously are
a bit out of sorts, and yes, they're doing fun
things they'll remember forever, whether it's going on the gondola
or you know, even just doing something simply putting their
feet in the stream. But man, it's like all of

(03:03):
a sudden they're out of their routine and trying to
put them to bed and oh that's brutal, I know.
And then the reset.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Then you come home and it's like, what the hell,
I might as well never have had a bedtime for
these kids because we're We went we went to Charlotte,
North Carolina, last week. We spent a week there just
hanging out with our friends, and man, every night it
was like, you know, nine thirty, ten o'clock.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Normally the boys are in bed by.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Eight, and it was tough to get them off the
thing there and we finally bring them back around and
there you go. Man, it's like last night, nine forty five,
I'm negotiating to get my six year old to lay down.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah. Yeah, we're in the staying right now. After back,
it's now bedtime super late. In Nashville. School starts, so
Grayson will be a kindergartener and school starts in less
than two weeks. And I'm like, right, you're doing the
math in my head because you know, bedtime is creep
back by a few hours over the last since we

(04:03):
went on vacation slash parenting from a different location, And like,
how in the world am I going to get him
back to going to bed by seven thirty eight so
we can go to school in the morning. Yeah, nice, Bob,
I'm all of yours, No, buddy, trust me, I was.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I was open to hear it from you. Both of
our greasons are defying their dad. This is not this
is not helpful at all, but no, man, great to
have you back on the show. You know, we realized
last time we had YAHT and we didn't really get
a chance to kind of dig in a little bit
to the you know, the unique Bachelor experience you had.
And we were talking about it earlier and I was like, yeah,

(04:40):
you know, it was so fun. When I filmed my show.
You know, we were in Malibu, and you know, our
most exotic location we went to was you know, Snake River, Wyoming.
And then four seasons later, doctor Travis storks filming in Paris.
You know, I mean, you got to do so pretty

(05:01):
cool travel and I'm just curious, you know, like how
did that whole thing happen for you?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, it's it was interesting, you know. I like
my story.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I always thought was kind of unique because I didn't
consider myself to be on the show, which I know
you didn't either. You were actually discovered in a restaurant
and and my mindset was like, gosh, how is it
like he's in the hospital as a resident, you know,
working these crazy hours. I'm sure, and then all of
a sudden You're like, you know what, yeah, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
What the hell?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
How did that decision come about, And how did you
end up making the call to and how did your
family and friends react to you go like, yeah, I'm
gonna put this on.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Hold for a little bit. Well, luckily for me, the
so my family was very encouraging. My sister was a
huge fan of the show, and she's like, you're crazy,
you have to go do this. And then, fortunately for me,
the chairman of the emergency apartment was a huge fan
of television in general, all nice, and you know, I'm
I'll admit I was a little bit more naive, like, yeah, this,

(05:56):
there's no way this is going to work. I'm sorry,
I can't take often. And yet ironically the support around
me from the night at the restaurant, I was surrounded
by a bunch of my fellow yard Docks, so they
were all there when this was sort of happening, right,
you know, they were getting free beer, so they were
all fired up. And then, you know, but then when

(06:20):
the chairman was like, look we can let's make this work.
Go do this, and and I was basically given that
time away and all of my shifts were covered by colleagues,
which was so sweet of them. And yeah, it was
such a juxtaposition because I was in the final year
of my residency. It basically spent you know how it is,

(06:43):
day in, day out, night and night out in the hospital,
and then all of a sudden, I'm on a plane
first class to Paris. Wow. Nothing to do but meet people,
meet women and living a castle. It was unreal And
to this I'm so grateful for because I have to

(07:05):
give the producer's credit. They they went out and they
found this truly this old school castle that was on
hundreds of acres outside of Paris, and they were really
nice to me in the in the sense that I
was like, look, if we're gonna go over there for
this long and we're out in the country, you know,

(07:27):
I want to be able to work out. And they
put a little gym in the lower area. There was
a mountain bike there for me. So I get up
and go mountain biking on the grounds of the castle.
You know, there were still sull holes in the castle,
slash whatever. I can't remember what war they were from,

(07:48):
but it was there was so much history there and
so I would get off because you know, filming doesn't
start first thing in morning. I would get all my
bike and go bike to the local village and sit
outside and drink my coffee, and I will say that
they looking back, I think I was there for six maybe.

(08:11):
Does that sound about right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
That probably yeah, because that's all we did back then.
Six maybe eight at most, I would think with the
traveling stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
In retrospect, those were six of the most amazing weeks
of my life because I did not have all the
stresses of life ironically disappeared, and it really was it
was all about trying to meet someone and trying to,
you know, discover if this journey had a happy ending,
and quite honestly being there, which was a big selling

(08:42):
point for me to go was it wasn't the icing
on the cake. It was the cake. I mean it
was yeh wob. That's the cool thing is you get older,
you have kids, and you realize that experiences, adventures, they
don't come along every day all of a sudden. I mean,

(09:03):
I mean, I'm in the helicopters flying down to Champagne
in France, going into the cellars and drinking all this
wonderful champagne when well, here I'm a guy who I'd
never I don't think I've ever had champagne in my
life other than maybe a train or Joe's it's too

(09:24):
what is going on right now? And so dinner on
top of the Eiffel Tower, and in all those experiences. Yes,
it's good for TV, but at the end of the day,
these were real life experiences that I still have memories
of and pictures of, and you know, someday I'll show
them to my kids. Probably sure, we'll go visit France

(09:46):
and I'll be like, hey, kids, this is where daddy stayed.
Why where's mommy? Yeah, here's that in April Tower. Who's
that dad? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so cool. I mean, it
really a once in a lifetime experience, and it I
think added to from a you know, production standpoint. I

(10:10):
think it added to the entry because it wasn't every day,
wasn't the same. It was literally venturing out and we
went down to Venice, we went to the French Viera,
we went all over Europe, in Vienna, Switzerland. In again

(10:31):
in retrospect, how cool they Oh my god, I didn't
have to book my own tickets and just like there
working like wait a minute, this is this is incredible.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I know, right and here here, you know, I was,
I was thinking my experience was amazing, and then I
started thinking about yours, and I was like, you know,
I was in Malibu right and our exotic dates. I mean,
don't get me wrong, So thank River, Wyoming's cool, right
it is? I went, I went to Alaska on a
glacier that was kind of cool, and then went, belize,
those are my three like exotics or whatever. But the

(11:03):
whole time we were filming, you know, at Firestone and
I laugh about this a lot when we talk, we
were terrified. We were in the haunted house of the
Bachelor Nation thing. It was like it got condemned, if
not after my season, I think after Jesse Palmer season.
And you'd lay there in bed and you'd look up
and it's all cameras and lights.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
And you're just like, are they watching me sleep? You know,
like you'd be all stressed. There were cameras in your room.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
There were cameras throughout the entire place because they when
they first set it up for filming. We I shouldn't
say cameras in my room. There were I was new
to that whole world, right, So there were lights because
they would do like your itms or whatever they do
those sometimes in the bedroom with a of you out
the window.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So they had different lights they could control, so you'd
look around the.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Room and you'd see lights, and you'd see an occasional
microphone here and there in case they wanted ambient sound
for things. And in my mind, I'm like, yeah, there's
definitely a camera there. Firestone was so stressed out about it.
He would go sleep in the closet. There was a
he had a single mattress in his closet, so there's
this big walking closet and he's like, I can't fleet manchi.
So you'd go there and close him stuff in the closet.

(12:11):
But when we talk about it, he's like, yeah, I
just knew they were watching me sleep. And I'm like,
what if I'm, you know, farting in my sleep or something.
Do I don't want that to.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Show up on the show. And so he was all
stressed out about it. It was pretty funny. You're like, wait,
what is this little thing on the shampoo bottle in
the shower? Nowadays, always I know they would do that,
but back then, you know, I don't think we had
that technology. Thank got, I will say, maybe this is
one of the advantages of having done it. Abroad, you know, realistically,

(12:42):
there there was one part of this medieval castle slash
property where it was this really beautiful you walk in,
huge great room and it was you know, it was
where the rose ceremonies were and everything else. But then
the part where I I actually stayed and lived was

(13:04):
so separate from all that. So it's almost I would
climb up the stairs at the end of the day
and I would retreat to my own little oasis. I
had my own little kitchen back there, and oh that's nice.
So I could go back up there, make a sandwich,
you know, get ready for bed. No cameras, No, I wasn't.

(13:25):
It was kind of nice. I'd shut that door, and
it's almost like I could turn off the experience of
being filmed and just yeah, back to the basics of
like who am I? What am I feeling? And going
through all the emotions of like, oh my gosh, today
was a great day. I really enjoyed spending time with

(13:45):
so and so, like, you know, what what am I
actually feeling right now? Yeah? I think when you're you
know this better than anyone. When there's constantly a camera
in front of you, you can't unwind. I I would
not tell in your guys circumstance, I would not. I
would not. I would have done what energy. I would

(14:07):
have gone into the closet, or I would have put
a pillow in the bathroom. Then you probably cameras in
there too. Yeah, you know, I mean it was. It
was definitely a different experience because I do love the
idea of when the show's gone abroad. I think it's
because it is kind of cool, right, There's like more
to it, you know, from the standpoint of just the

(14:28):
countryside and kind of that difference in culture and and
all that kind of stuff. And I would imagine that
was just I mean, it had to just ratchet things
up to a whole new world. So yeah, I was
I was a little jealous, but because I like you
so much, I was like, all right, damn it, I'm
gonna be okay with this. But I thought it was
so great. Now we're both at the point in life

(14:49):
where you think back to those experiences, and you know,
we were just talking about being on vacation with the
kids ACA guaranteeing in a different location. So when we
were in Colorado with the kids, I would get up
at like five am and go for a bike ride. Yeah,

(15:09):
back to when I was in Paris. I remember. One
of the cool things about the chaos of being abroad
is obviously there's so much going on on the production
side that they kind of lose track of you. So
it's like, okay, Travis, you know, meet on the front
lawn at two pm. Right, We're gonna go to downtown
Paris today, So until two pm. You know, I get up,

(15:32):
I go literally hop on the bike, go do whatever
I was going to go do, come back, make some breakfast,
and then just show them, you know, show up at
two pm and throw on some of the you know,
the nice clothes, right right, Like get change into your
wardrobe for the day. Yeah, Mike sweater.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Let's do this, the stuff you wear all the time anyway, right,
you're riding jacket.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I mean this is Kevin. It's not cotton. Oh no, yeah,
of course I don't wear cotton. I'm the bachelor guy. No.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's funny that you say that, because I my experience
was like there was always someone in my space, and
that was really hard for me because even though I'm
a pretty social guy, I do love having some alone time,
and I yeah, that whole time we were filming if
I had anything that was kind of like my achilles
heel of that whole thing. It was being constantly feeling

(16:25):
like I couldn't say anything or do anything, you know,
because they were always lurking, you know, and they were
always rating them in my space and my purview. And
then I think I told you this last time we talked,
But I discovered the basement of the of the lower
level of the house I was in, and I brought
up the buyer so he's like, I don't think I
saw them, Like, oh yeah, they had it kind of

(16:46):
like you couldn't even see it.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
And I found it one day.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It had like a sliding glass door and stuff, and
it was production central, like it was where they had
the boards up for the Rose ceremonies and where they did,
you know, all the camera twos, the camera fives with
all the kind of good stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
And I was like walking around and I'm like, what
is going on in here?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I actually found found the contact information for all
the girls on my season, and I knew I wasn't
allowed to have it, so I wrote it all down
and then I sent them all a thank you card
for being on the show, right, and I didn't tell anyone,
and at the Men Tell All or the Women Tell
All Special, they were all so nice to me because

(17:26):
I had said, you know, I said nice things like, hey,
it was really nice meeting you, and I hope you
know when you got home with your family you realize
what a fun experience this was or whatever, and and
they're like.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
They were looking for for sparks.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
They were looking for people to be, you know, mad
at me and yelling at me and stuff, and everyone
was super nice, and they're like, what the hell happened?
And I know I wasn't until about a year or
two later that I finally came clean and I was like, yeah, guys,
I need to tell you something, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
And I don't even know why I told them. I
should have just kept it quiet, but I thought it
was funny. That's brilliant. And you know, I do have
a thought so Bob. When when your season was on,
they were like, you know, Bob as a winning personality,
we can put him in this house. We don't need
anything extravagant with me. They're like, this guy's a doc.
We play really boring me at the year we're going

(18:12):
to We're gonna need trips all across your yeah right, yeah,
you know what. That's very sweet of you to say.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
But I think it was the perfect thing, and I
think that you crushed it, and you know, I mean,
it had to be such a different vibe. I would
think with the women too, you know, because that was
one of the things I started noticing when those seasons,
you know, seasons after mine, they would always be like, okay,
well you know, but you usually wait to after the
first rows ceremony or something. We're like, all right, ladies,

(18:44):
pack up, we're going tomorrow, we're flying to Thailand or whatever,
and they're like, oh my god, you know, and it
was interesting, you know, I thought it was really interesting.
Did you notice anyone, you know, I mean, because obviously
you know, you were you You weren't someone who came
from the Bachelor at first to then be the Bachelor.
So did you like find when you'd be out filming
in the streets of Paris that people would be like,

(19:04):
what is going on? Would they be paying attention? Or
was it the French? You know, I always think of
the French as being like, you know, they just walk
right past and don't care. Did you get anybody like
paying special attention to you and possibly like taking pictures,
because I mean there could have been American tourists there
who would be like, Oh, this is the Bachelor, I
know what this is.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I think there was a definite curiosity. It's not the
fandom that you think of in America where you see
a camera and everyone's like, oh my gosh, what's going on?
I hate it, right, definite curiosity because we spent so
much time, even in the streets of Paris that you're
walking by a corner cafe and you know how it is.
It's just we're sitting out there smoking a cigarette, having

(19:44):
a cup of coffee or an espresso, and there's definitely
that element of intrigue. And I will say that, you know,
this is my first time I'd ever been in front
of a camera, so it's not like I was so natural,
right I remember back then. Obviously now I've spent plenty
of years in front of the camera, but yeah, you've
done more than all of us combined at this point.

(20:06):
I would I would actually I never liked it when
when you knew there was this backdrop of people just
eavesdropping on what was happening, because it just it felt
more more so than the cameras. I don't know why,
but it felt like thieves dropping. Like, yes, literally your
in front of cameras. It's going to be telecast of millions.

(20:28):
But there was something about, you know, when when the
people were just kind of watching and trying to figure
out what was going on.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, and you know you felt I thought you felt scrutinized, right, Yeah,
I felt more uncomfortable in those situations than any other.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And again, I don't know why, It's just maybe part
of the whole experience. I'd never you know, I'd never
had people staring at me before, right, but I was
learned it hanger a sweater, he looks it's like a
cotton guy to me. I don't understand what that did. No,
you know, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I know what you're saying because you were you were miked,
and you know, so you knew everything you were saying
was going out there. But you also, you know, one
of the things that happens that people I don't even
think realize when you're filming a show like this is
you're kind of in this little bubble, right, and so
you're having a conversation with someone and the only person
that need to understand what you're saying, why you're saying it,

(21:24):
or whatever is are the two of you, right, or
the or the three of you, whoever's in that conversation.
And when you got someone kind of easdropping in, I
would almost feel like they're scrutinizing what I say. So, man,
I better, I better make this an awesome, you know,
moment for everyone.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I would feel so much fudditional pressure too. I totally
get with just say it.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I mean, I can only imagine, you know, coming up
with something unique and different, you know, to say in
a moment when you're just sort of like floored by
the whole thing yourself. Too. It's like, I'm sure you
know you almost and I know how they do it,
you know, with the production side of things, where you
almost have to act like you're the one that plan
the date or you're the one that came up with
this idea for the day today today, today, My idea

(22:02):
is to take us to the top of the Eiffel
Tower and we're going to have dinner, right, And they'll
be like, oh my god, I chose you, Debbie, And
in fact, you were handed a card that said You're.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Taking Debbie to the top of the Eiffel Tower for dinner.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
You know, You're like, great, okay, you know, And I
always thought that was a funny part too.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I mean that had to be interesting. I would imagine
acting like you've been there before, you know, when you
had you been to Paris before at all? Or was
that your first you know, the old school they say
backpacking through Europe? Yeah, two Europe. Yeah, it's one of you.
You know, got the train ticket and on ten bucks
a day, went from hospital to hospital. So yeah, I'd

(22:37):
been to Paris, but obviously not in this you know,
in this fashion.

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Speaker 1 (23:57):
Back to the Adventures you go, And obviously I think
people understand now there's a huge production team. It's not
like you just show. It's not like you ride up
to the top of the Eiffel Tower and just have
a buffet of food there. Like, there's now a ton
of people that even we all sort of become friends

(24:17):
with them, and we know how much work they're putting in.
But the most fun that I had, ironically, they're like, hey, Travis,
what would be you know, what would be your ideal height?
And I said, you know, we've been doing all these
extravagant things. It's almost too much. And if I'm really
going to get to know some of these people, I'd

(24:38):
love to do a camping trip. Nice we did ten'mores
all that stuff, And I know it was probably rudimentary
compared to all the other really eccentric things we were doing,
but it was really cool because it was it was
actually you know, it was a concept. I was like,

(24:59):
this would make a lot of sense right now because
we're at a point in this process where I just
I really want to figure out what does this look
like without without all the glitz and glamor of yeah, right,
because you know, you can get confused and you're trying
to like figure everything time, trying to figure out, Okay,
what's this going to look like if I go back home?

(25:20):
And I think that was one of the coolest nights
I had, just because it was it was about a fire, slores,
a tent, stars, and just same conversations you would have
if you were out camping anywhere in the world. Yeah,
it just so happened. You know that there were a
few cameras there, sure, Yeah, I had some if you
know gab it.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, I think that's great that you even had the
wherewithal to make that call, you know what I mean,
because I think a lot of people in that moment
would be like, oh, I don't know, whatever you guys
think you know, and it's great that you put something
out there that meant something to you, because you're right, man, you.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Can't get super.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, like, like I said, we're in this little
bubble when you're doing it, and you can get kind
of almost like run down in these moments where you're like, oh,
here we are in Gaye Perry. Here I am taking
a helicopter into a volcano. It's like I remember saying
on my season at a Rose ceremony, I really thought.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I honestly thought that they were going to use it.
So it was funny.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And I remember saying, you know, I got my roast,
and I'm like, you know, ladies, before we get started,
I just want to say, this is no prize. This
is a lot of work here, right, And you know,
those of you who are getting set home tonight, you're welcome.
And for those of you are estate, I'm from Detroit, man,
And it's part that it's party that I tell you guys,
we don't take volcano volcano tours and helicopters in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, that's not what we're doing there. We do a
bunch of fun stuff, but that ain't it.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And hopefully you know, someone will like the stuff I like,
you know, and so I love that you and I
said all that, and I'm like, this is gold Man,
this is good.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
They're going to use it for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Never made the show, and you know, so I'm glad
that you put your foot down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Was like, hey, why don't we do something that I
want to do?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
And you know, and it's interesting too because so I
didn't get engaged on my season. And I don't know
if people remember this or not, but you didn't get
engaged on your season either, right, And I mean were
you kind of deep into the process and where you
kind of made a mental note like I don't think
I'm ready to marry these people or or was it

(27:19):
more like I think I want to continue because my
thing was more like I wanted to try dating away
from all of that, you know, because I had been,
you know, in a long term relationship before and I
didn't want to be the guy that was just racking
up weddings like ross from friends, you know. I wanted
to be somebody who was trying to be mindful. Where
were you at with that decision at that time? Like

(27:40):
if you can recall and did the producers. When they
found out you weren't going to propose, they try to
change your mind.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think I think everyone knew that I was going
into this authentically, and I highly doubted that I was
going to come to the end of the experience and
be engaged. Obviously I didn't. But I think one of
the things that I have with and I'm just gonna
speak frankly, is I think people feel external pressure on

(28:07):
the show to get engaged. And I think it's perfectly
fine and appropriate to get engaged, but only to do
so if that's the right thing for you, right to
your point. You know, it's one thing. It's one thing
to be going on all these dates, particularly in my season,
where you're all over Europe and you're just doing all

(28:29):
these wonderful things, and another party is like, Okay, here's
the reality. I'm an the Yard doc on this particular night.
There's a more than likely chance I'm not even going
to be home and right I'm probably gonna have blood
on my shoes. Yeah, there's not going to be you know,
s cargo waiting for you. What's gonna be right, We're

(28:51):
gonna throw my clothes in the in the washer and
you know, conk out and that's just the reality of
life is very different. I think I think it's important,
at least for me, it was important to not forget
that there's this real life back in the States and
not to or not to confuse the two. And I again, look,

(29:16):
there was always a chance, right if you meet the one,
and you know, it doesn't matter whether you're on the
Bachelor or the Bachelorette, whether you're on TV, you're at
the coffee shop. And I think my biggest takeaway and
the older I've gotten, I've always said this. I think
when it comes to meeting someone, it's back to the
Helen Keller quote. Life is either during an adventure or nothing.

(29:38):
You've got to put yourself out there. But the one
thing cannot do is ver put pressure on your cell
because adding that pressure, I think makes it more difficult.
And if you feel like, oh my gosh, I've got
to if you're really this is my home opinion, if
you're really that confused between four different people, and I

(30:00):
I can't just I'm just wanted to give a tube.
I think it's probably best to not get engaged. The
answer is no one. Yeah, well, i'd agree with you
on that one man. Whenever people come down to the end,
I mean, and they you know, I think back in
the day, especially, you know, when everyone used the word
amazing five thousand times because we were repeating what the
producers would say to us. You know, you know, repeat

(30:21):
what I say to you in my question so that
you know the audience at home knows it. Today I
had an amazing day with Debbie, Rnda and Ronda.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
It was amazing, right, And I think that a lot
of times they'll say, you know, I'm so confused, I
you know, and I get it. I get being confused
because I mean, you know, let's not kill ourselves. They're
not casting any slouches on this show, right. Everybody on
the show's in alpha. You know, they've always been the
one who achieves, the captain of the chier leading team,
the president of the class, you know, the whole bet.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
But but they don't.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Ever ask, you know, before they go on the show,
like you know, well they I guess they do ask, you.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Know, are you ready to get married?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And the answer is always yes, right, But the real
question should be, you know, are you ready to go
through a period of the biggest uncertainty of your life
and at the end, have someone and be able to
watch this back at home, by the way, have someone
basically say any of the exact same stuff he's saying
to you. Got a job to do, right, He's got
to get this show to a certain pay where everyone's
up in the air and wonder what's going on.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
And then all of a sudden he gives you the ring. Right.
So we've had seasons where they've said I love you
to more than one woman. We've had seasons where they've promised.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
That this more than one woman instead of the last
one's standing and getting the engagement ring. I thought, I
really did think when I was on the season, as
on my season, I thought I was doing the right thing,
not proposing and trying to figure out where things would
go with the cameras off. That it wasn't you know,
it wasn't like I thought that I was being I

(31:47):
was trying to be as genuine as I could be
with that decision, because I didn't want to mess anybody's
life up, you know, by taking away that first in
their life of an engagement when I wasn't sure where
my head was at, you know, and it wasn't what
I did know was I wasn't ready to get engaged.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
That was the one thing I did know.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Right and I but I was also kind of like,
I like both of these girls, but you know which
one do I think I have the best chance of
having a long term relationship.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm going to choose this one, but I'm not ready
to get engaged.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And so, I mean, I always thought that was just
such a noble move, you know, and then you get
so much backlash after you don't propose. People are just
beside themselves with their opinions. Did you Did you face
any of the backlash after the show?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't. I don't think so. I at the same time,
I wasn't really paying attention to it. I think that
gets back to the only thing you can do is
have your own individual, authentic experience, be true to yourself,
be true to also when you're staying true to the
people on the show with you, so that you get
if you're you know, I can't sit here and say

(32:47):
to you that if I did the Bachelor experience over again,
which obviously I'm not going to because I'm married, and
I wouldn't get me. It's it's not a you know,
do you get engaged. Will you get engaged? It's if
you meet the person on the show that you genuinely

(33:08):
feel like you want to get married to. I think
it is perfectly appropriate to get engaged where I have
excused back to what you just said. And I'm not
going to name names, but you know, there are times
for my wife and I will tune into the show
and I see someone like literally telling four or five
people in a row how much they love them. They've
never loved like this, And ONCET day it's like, I

(33:29):
love you so much. I love it, and you're like,
this is also to air. Yeah, you do realize you
got to go home right and see your friends and family.
No one ever going to believe you ever again. And
when you love you love them because you know it's
I mean, throwing that word out that cumfortably that often.

(33:50):
That's like to me, that is less authentic, and getting
engaged at the end of that is almost a disservice
as opposed to I actually think it's really great when
and I feel like, again, it's not like I'm sitting
there pouring over every episode of every season, but when
I've tuned in with my wife and you see the authenticity,

(34:12):
and sometimes it's literally as simple as like, you know
what I had to I had to send so and
so home because like I was so in love with
whoever they end up choosing it, it's just like right
for this other person to play this game anymore. And
I think, yeah, I think that is like not only
authentic and awesome, but it like ironically is TV gold too,

(34:35):
because it's just like this person found their other person
and done playing the game, and they've been honest about it,
and quite frankly, that's what this is. The whole journey's about.
It's not necessarily being on to the last three or
four and be like oh Anie meanie mining bo. And
I think the best seasons are the ones where two people,

(34:56):
whether they get engaged or not, but two people meet
that really have a connection and it becomes obvious at
the very end like that. That's it. The ones where yeah,
where you're like, how like I'm sorry, dude, but you
can't love seven people at once that you like it's

(35:16):
just not possible. Well, you know, it's funny, I think too.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I think, like to what you're saying, people making that
kind of a decision where they're like, like you said,
I'm sending this one home because I'm just so way
to this one that it's not fair to do this anymore.
I love that because back in I think back in
the early years, they kind of held you to that
script more. And now when people kind of go off,
I feel like it really legitimizes the show too, like
it helps the show, right, like the show actually, I

(35:40):
think I think the producers finally realized to what your
point is was, like, man, this is actually starting to
get like a real relational response as opposed to a
TV show response. That's way better. People actually get it
like that. You can't really find love from this thing, right,
I didn't, You didn't. But I also think of it
like from the butterfly effect, Like if I hadn't done it,
maybe I wouldn't have met my wife, we wouldn't have

(36:01):
our two kids now, right, because things right, Everything happens.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
For a reason. I'm introduced to my wife by a
mutual friend named Chris Stramberg. Chris Cupcake was on the Bachelorette.
He is a dentist. He came on The Doctors as
a guest lived in Nashville. I got to be friends
with Chris I'm in Nashville, Chris, and Chris is like,
you know what I asked when I think you should

(36:25):
meet I would never have met my wife if I
wasn't on the Bachelor. There you go. Yeah, you're a
direct connect for that.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well done. Now I do have a question about that.
Did you fall in love with your wife because of
your experience in Paris? And her name was Paris? Just
got to put it out that, of course the reason I.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Found love in Paris? You did, indeed, my Fred all right,
So one I wanted to right now.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
This is going to be fun because I also realized
that I am I'm getting older, and as I get older,
I need medical advice. So I have some questions I
want to ask you. I want to rapid fire with you.
I mean, this is nothing you're not used to from
your express Bob. Internal hemorrhoids are painless. External hemorhoids are
the ones that cause pain. So i'd check question. Finally, Okay,

(37:24):
thank you. I didn't have to say it. I really
appreciate that was my private text message to you earlier,
but I appreciate you asking that one.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
All right.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
One of the things that drives me crazy about I
don't even know. I guess it would be the FDA
or the nutrition stuff. Is like you'll hear everything's bad
for you. Then you'll hear, okay, now it's good for
you egg yolks, right, Like they'll say, oh, yeah, you
know you egg whites only, and now all of a sudden,
egg yolks are good for you. Red meat, red meat's
bad for you, don't eat it. Now, it's like red
meat's good for you. What do you think about all
that kind of stuff? Like, I know this is this

(37:54):
isn't even meant to be funny. This is really meant
to be more informational because I appreciate your opinion on
this stuff, and I loved watching when you.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Around the doctors. So I may be a little bit
more emphatic in this than most people. But my theory
is always like, all right, so how was this mais
made or raised? So for instance, let's use gummy bears, right,
So I buy my kids gummy bears that have nothing
but fruit in them. They're great eggs. So if if

(38:21):
I'm gonna eat a highly nutritious egg where you know
the in the like laid, that egg has this like
decent life eating good food, Like that's going to be
a higher quality egg. Yep, it's like red meat. You know,
I come from a family of farmers in Nebraska, and
I'll be honest with you. On their farm, the red meat,

(38:44):
the animals were conventionally raised fed corn primarily high high
carb diets and like even put on antibiox to fatten
them all. Like it is like you eat that red meat,
you're going to get some of the after effects of
all of that as opposed to you know, brass fed
free rage. And again, my theory has always been less

(39:08):
is more, higher quality is better. And at the end
of the day, like for things that I'm a big guy, right,
so I need to eat enough calories to get through
the day. Like my go tos are always things like
nuts and beans and the things that are quite frankly
going to fill me up without filling me out. But

(39:28):
when it comes out eggs, you know, we went I
went to medical school. That was the phase of don't
eat anything with fat and it don't eat anything with cholesterol.
But now I eat probably two eggs a day. Yeah,
and for me it's because you're fifty four, right, I'm
fifty four. Yeah, Well I'm fifty three and at our

(39:49):
age once you get past fifty, like, we've got to
get that proch more so than we do when we're younger.
And it's a great protein other nutrients. So absolutely, red meats.
Another example where you know, I grew up eating red
meat every meal because again my family's background, and I
got so sick of it. I was honestly just like,

(40:09):
oh my god, I don't want to eat any more
red meat. So I went through a phase where I
pretty much cut out red meat, was eating you know,
white meat, fish, things like that. Now, again, I'm in
my fifties, and I appreciate when I eat a good
piece of red meat, oh that I'm getting nutrients that
I may not otherwise get. I don't do it every meal,

(40:32):
and I'm also you like, if I'm going to eat
a piece of red meat, I would rather do it
less frequently and get a really good filet or something
like that. Yeah. A great example is just coming back
from Colorado. One of the things I love when I'm
out in Colorado is you know, wherever you go, you
can always find grass fed beef on the Mayia. Yeah,
I love it too. I love it out there. That's

(40:55):
why Ben Haygen looks so damn good. All he does
is sit there and eat all this grass bed stuff,
you know. But anyway, I was that was the roundabout
way of saying that. I think that rules tend to
create problems when it's like when we just chastise entire
food groups because same thing. Look, there are people out
there who will tell you never eat a vegetable and

(41:17):
the only thing red meat. Yeah, I don't think in
life is balance balance, And it is okay too, Like
if you're gonna go with a cappuccino and all, man,
maybe I'm too evil. I can't help them. But I'm
fifty three. I've got family history of things like diabetes.
I've got to like watch out for everything from cholesterol,
et cetera. Like I will all say, okay, cappuccino always

(41:38):
like hole, No, Like, well, is it this is anal?
Is it organic? Yeah? No, there's the profile of that
health wise is very different, right, you know. It's again
that's just part of where my brain has developed over
the years. And I've seen how much food can play

(41:58):
a role. And uh, overall all this, I'm sure you've
seen a lot too.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
You've seen a lot of the worst sides of that
stuff in your practice over the years too. I'm sure
even before you know, before you were even doing the
TV stuff where I mean, I remember watching one episode
of The Doctors where you were talking about obesity. You're
talking about you know, in that all stem from the
food that they were eating, and I honestly it made
me think about this when I was thinking about this today,

(42:24):
was what about the big thing going on right now
with like such easy access to like ozembic and wag
I know, the wazoo or whatever they're called, Like there's
a bunch of names for them now, these GLP ones.
I mean, I see it on my side of things,
which is like the insurance side of things, I see
that there's you know, so many more claims now like
gastrointestno claims, things of that nature. And I'm curious about

(42:46):
your thoughts on that. I mean, part of me is like, hey,
it's great that people who are obese and neat assistance
are getting it right, but you know, I'm not sure
how great it is for people who don't need that
assistance and just needed have died an exercise, But they're
skipping that step and they're going straight to the to
the shots of the pills.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know, what are your thoughts on that kind of
stuff too? I agree, I agree with you. I think
there is a population out there that greatly benefits from
these medications, and I think they can be life savers.
I think I also have friends who literally are my age,
who are not diabetic, they're not even severely overweight, and

(43:27):
yet they want to take this little short cut, and
I'm like, come on right, this is ridiculous, this is
this is not what these are designed for. I think
the shortcut mentality, if anything, it's going to give you
a short cut. In my humble opinion, to the grave.
I think every life gets back to balance. But if

(43:48):
you want to live a long life, even more than exercise,
what you eat is number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Yes,
exercise and strength training is actually as you get older,
is hugely important because lean muscle mass, the more you
have of it, honestly, the more your body is going
to just do a great job of internally burning calories.

(44:10):
But the problem with with these drugs, and my humble opinion,
is when the wrong people start taking them, Like if
I started taking it right now, it's realistically going to
help me lose some weight, but there's also a very
good chance that it's going to slightly shift my profile
where I might lose the lean muscle mass, right, which

(44:32):
but it weighs more, so you lose Yeah, yeah, you're
losing weight, but if you're losing lean muscle mass, that
is not a good thing. So if you're you're obese
and you need this to help you improve your LUCAS
levels and lose weight and get healthier, it's a great
medicine and a great class. Yeah, but what I've seen

(44:57):
in my career in Western medicine is i'll just call
it the abuse of medications within the system, and it's
augmented by you know, patients don't feel like they're getting
taken care of if you don't give them a medicine. Yeah,
it's ironic because here I have the power to prescribe

(45:18):
and I'll be completely transparent. A couple of years ago,
I had to start taking a medication for blood pressure
because I have familiar hy pretension and I just I
need it otherwise I'm and so again, these can be
life savers, but you know, taking more medicines is never
going to be the answer at the end of the day.
If you can commit to if you can simplify your

(45:42):
diet to for the most part eating those fluids, then
we know help you live longer. Yeah, that's the way
to do it. And it's like da out and it's
if you want to look as good as Bob Guiney,
that's what you do. Play a lot of golf and
drink a lot of vodka. That's what you do.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
That's about it. That's my regiment as of late. I actually,
you know, I love I love hearing you say that,
because I went. I think I may have told you
this before, but I went and got my first blood

(46:23):
panel done at fifty two. I hadn't even done it before.
I mean maybe i'd done it years past that I
don't remember it. And my cholesterol and I was always
and my wife will tell you this, I would always go, well,
I'm not my stuff's great. You know, I had no idea.
I didn't have any health conditions, but I do have
family history of heart disease, diabetes, things of that nature.

(46:44):
And so I went got a blood panel done and
it came back with my cholesterol, my bad cholesterol with
sky hot. Now I know that some people have an
opinion about that because the numbers shift, you know, according
to that. But the one thing I did not want
to do was be put out a statin. Right, So
I'm like, Okay, talking to my doctor. I'm like, I
don't want to do that. It's like, why am I?
Because I've heard that once you do it, you never

(47:05):
can come off of that. And I don't want to
be on anything for the rest of my life. And
I'm like, so what can I do. He's like, he's
a buddy. He's like, yeah, I lose like fifteen twenty pounds.
You do that, it might help your cholesterol at least
from that standpoint. If you're not, you know, it might
help you lose weight, might may help you your other panels.
And then you got to like you said, we got

(47:25):
to watch what you eat, you know. I'm like, well,
I'm eating a lot of salmon. I'm eating a lot
of chicken. He's like, if it's not if it's farm
raised salmon, then don't eat it, right, He's like, if
it's this, He's like, because you don't know what goes
into it. If it's this and this and this, and
it was very similar to what you just said. He's like,
you know, if it's free range, if it's this, then
you can feel comfortable eating it.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
But he was a big believer of that.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
He was like, you put margarine out on your porch,
and you put butter out on your porch, and watch
that there are no flies or bugs in the margarine.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
He's like, they all go to the butter because they
know that's the real stuff and this is the fake stuff. Right.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So he's like, and it was kind of an interesting
way to think about it. And you know, I really
did do that. I cut back a lot on what
I was drinking, but it was definitely one of those
things where it was like, you know, kind of tied
it to your point. I was like, it's ninety five
percent of what I put in my mouth and five
percent of what I'm doing on the bench.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
It's like that's and I and I started realizing that
I kind of had it backwards all those years. I
thought I was working out so I could eat whatever
I want, when in.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Fact I needed to kind of do it the other
way around, right, I needed to eat what I should
and then you know, workout. So I looked the way
I want, you know, I think we've all kind of
gone through that metamorphosis, especially when you're younger. You know,
you're so focused on the vanity element of oh, you know,
I'm gonna do five sets of bench press here, and yeah,
I'm not even going to think about what I'm gonna
eat afterwards, And you know, you get to our age

(48:47):
and you're like, all right, if I can get if
I do one set of bench press and spend maybe
a few more minutes thinking about what I'm gonna eat,
that's probably the better payoff. By the way, well, I
have to say one thing for anyone listening, and we've
done this in our own lives, so much like you
covid hit, you have kids, ouver eats, you know, you

(49:11):
start hitting the easy button. I have to say that
one of the most important things is if you're eating out,
take the time to find out what oils they use.
Because I actually went from having really good cholesterol numbers
to mine skyrocketed over the last few years. And part
of that's because, like anyway, like most of my meals,

(49:32):
yes we eat at home, but you find yourself more
often than not, or more often than before, hitting that
easy button, and you may even be wordering something that
you think is sort of healthy, but if it's made
it really be oils like peanut oil, things like that. Yeah,
and so I think the biggest thing is just understanding,
Like for me, if a restaurant only used to say

(49:53):
avocado oil or olive oil, like that's a thumbs up.
And then also just pay attention because sometimes I notice
some of my favorite restaurants in Nashville, we'd eat it
and it was supposedly healthy, and I'd always feel after,
you know, and then you find out like maybe they're
using way too many oils. Maybe they're I'm not willing
at this stage in my life to sacrifice my long

(50:15):
term hell just because the restaurant chooses to you should
be oils as of oils that I know, I think
of all oil is a lubricant for my arteries, and
I think if some of the others is absolute standpaper
right like just cause you to stop. Yeah, totally you
and I you know, you get to this age where
you know, I had that atrial fibrillation episode a couple

(50:36):
of years ago. I've got like you, all of a sudden,
this is no longer about hey, this is what you
should do to be healthy. This is like, hey, this
is what I do because God's honest truth. Like, I
don't want to die of a heart attack tomorrow. Right,
It's quite possible if these little, small decisions, I call
them small decisions you make every day. But if you

(50:59):
make that same decision every single day. Let's say your
favorite restaurant uses really bad oils and you eat that
meal every day, that could be the thing that cuts
ten years off your life.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Like yeah, crazy for us. We got at our age,
we got young kids. It's like, that's the last thing.
I mean, I have no intention of not being there,
you know, for my boys' weddings, high school and college graduations.
You know, granted, I'm gonna be the dude on the
walker that they're going go, oh, your grandpa is at
your tea ball game. Huh nice, But that's okay. I'm
prepared for that, prepared for people talking smack. But you know,

(51:30):
I want to make sure I'm there, you know, so
for the long run. And that yeah, to your point,
I mean that's when I started making different decisions, right,
Like you said, small decisions that you make every day,
but it really is a decision that can change things.
I mean, yeah, I loved it so well. Amen, I
love having you on the show.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I can't wait. Next time I'm in Nashville. I'm calling
you so we can hang out because I want that.
I want to spend some time with you and get
to know Paris. And you have golf courses and we
have vodka here, so we're good to go. These are
things I do, These are my things.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
All right. I love it, man, Thank you. It will
definitely make sure we do a last last question of
my doctor thing today. Uh, were you a Gray's Anatomy
guy or an er guy? What was your show? I'm
more r I mean it's yeah. Would you say it's
more accurate? Was it er more accurate too? Like to depictions?
Are you know? I didn't know at the time because

(52:24):
I wasn't yet an r wctor. But one of the
things that they do in that show, or did in
that show, is they tried to make it as accurate
as possible, which is so cool. You think that half
the time you're in the hospital, you're having sex in
the call room, right, never done that? Like when I've
been in the hospital, I'm like working, it's not You're right, yes,
it happens, But what dr what's cool about that show

(52:47):
is and I love this about television. The one thing
I love about television is like, if you TV in
the right way, can really like bring things to life
like that, the chaos that you feel when you I
kind of fell in love with it. Yeah, and atual
reality of being in the ER, you fall in love
with it because the adrenaline of it all. The last

(53:09):
thing you ever feel is boor You're just like, right, oh,
vote here, here, here you and then yeah, ten hours later,
your bladder's completely full and you're like, oh my god,
what just happened was Yeah, it was something. And you know,
you get to the end of watching an hour of
ER and I'm sure a lot of people listening problemly

(53:29):
they may not even remember, but you get to the
end of an hour of watching that show and you're like, wow,
I'm exhausted, I'm tired, I need to get I'm spent.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Well, now there's the Pit, right. Noah Wiley came out
with the show The Pit. Have you watched that one?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I watched one episode. I want to watch the rest,
but my wife, My wife literally said, why do you
want to watch this? This is just what you do
at work? And I'm like, well, I'm bringing it. Well,
now they're doing it. And so now she comes back
to me a few weeks after we watch the first
she's like, oh, I read the reviews are great. We

(54:03):
should watch it. Like you've tried to talk to me
out of it. What do you thought we need to
talk about bears.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I'll watch it with hey Man, Well, if we should,
probably binge watch it together so.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
We can be ready for our next interview. All right,
the next thing can be called the the og goes
into the Pit. There you go. I like it. E's
as good. This is good. Producers take note. Well, hey Man,
always a pleasure having you on.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Brother, Thank you so much for coming to the show,
and thanks for sharing what going on with your life.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I'm excited to hear about the stuff you're working on.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Maybe we can get into that next time, and and
hear about you know, the direction you're going with those
entrepreneurial ideas. But I'm sure they're going to be great
and hugely successful, because I just that's what I expect
from you, my friends. So keep up the good work
and keep it the good dad, and well, and this
is fingers crossed.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
For both of us. That over the next few weeks
our kids start going to bed earlier. Amen, buddy, I'm
with you. I am with you. Cheers to you, brother,
Take are you tre Travis Doctor Travis Stork? God?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I love that guy, man, I swear to god, I
think he and I would just be the absolute best
of buddies if we lived close by. But we're gonna
figure it out when I go to Nashville next time.
So thank you all so much for listening in here
and watching almost famous OG podcasts. I am Bob Guiney,
of course without my faithful partner in crime, Trista Sutter.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Nay Wren, but thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Make sure you find the podcast anywhere you find podcasts,
and we'll see you next time.