November 30, 2025 • 16 mins
Family members are anxiously waiting for answers in the murder of 18-year-old Anna kepner aboard a Carnival Cruise Ship earlier this month. Authorities haven’t officially named a suspect yet, but we’re now hearing from Kepner’s aunt, her grandparents and her own father about their suspicions. While none of them have directly accused Kepner’s 16-year-old step brother of murder, they have all questioned his involvement. Kepner’s aunt said her niece fought for her life and the family is in turmoil waiting for an arrest. Kepner’s father has said he doesn’t “stand behind what my stepson has done” as he talked about his family’s first thanksgiving without her.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, November the thirtieth, and
the mystery or the death of a teenage girl aboard
a carnival cruise ship continues. It's a mystery to all
of us, but to some of her family members we've
been hearing from, there's no mystery to them at all.
And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
(00:25):
The family of Anna Kapner all on this cruise together.
This story has been making national international headlines. They try
to stop a little short of just flat out saying
her step brother killed her, but they kind of go
that far anyway they do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We've now heard from Anna Kepner's dad, her aunt, and
her grandparents, and without directly saying it, they're saying it.
I mean, they're saying it as clearly as they can
without legally getting into any kind of trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, really fair to say they are stopping short. The
only thing they haven't said is I think he killed her, right,
I mean, but short of that, they kind of are
saying that in a different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, the grandparents said specifically that detectives told them that
they looked at the surveillance video and when their granddaughter
went to bed not feeling so well earlier that evening.
The only person to come in and out of the
room she was in was the stepbrother. So that's fairly
(01:29):
damning right there. The grandparents also talked about his demeanor.
They said that he was beyond upset, that he actually
required attention. He was so beside himself when they found
Anna Kepner's body, and they said, he doesn't remember what happened.
He was an emotional mess. So there's that. And then
(01:51):
perhaps the most damning of all, her father, her own
father telling authorities that he does not stand behind what
my step son has done. I want him to face
the consequences. I will be fighting to make sure that
does happen. That is fairly specific and direct.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And to go back here, folks, we're talking about Anna Kapner.
You've seen her face, you have seen you've heard that
name quite a bit on this family vacation, this carnival
cruise earlier this month. And she's found under her bed
in her room with life vests on top of her,
wrapped in a blanket. It seemed obvious that someone was
(02:33):
trying to conceal her. The authorities have come out and
they have confirmed at least she was she did die.
It appears she was asphyxiated, right, Yes, he did tell
us that much. At least there was even talk about
a particular hold, a choke hole, that was used in
her death. But they did not name a suspect, and
they still have not. That isn't very important to say
(02:55):
Robes that there's no one in her family or elsewhere
who has been pointed to as a per from the
interest or as a suspect. But the reason we are
here now, and the reason that so much scrutiny has
been put now on her step brother his rose because
of another case that had nothing to do with this one.
In another case, her step mother is having a custody
(03:18):
issue in court, and she filed papers saying that we
need to delay this because one of my kids, my son,
is under possible investigation for by the FBI and could
possibly face criminal charges. So it is not difficult to
put two and two together. And now with some of
the statements from the family, it looks like all all
(03:39):
fingers are pointing towards the stepbrother who she was sharing
this room with on the cruise, correct at the time.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
So yeah, and it's puzzling because you also hear these
same family members describe Anna's relationship with her stepbrother as
just like brother and sister. Look, anyone who has and
has experienced a blended family knows their there are some
I mean, there are some growing pains, and it can
be difficult. It can be a struggle, especially with teenagers
and asking them to come together and now unite as
(04:09):
a family. That's not always the smoothest of transitions. But
by all accounts, even the folks who now are pointing
the finger at the stepbrothers said before this, there was
no sign of any concern. They were close. In fact,
the grandmother said they were two peas in a pod,
and she said that they actually elected to share the
room together. The family had three staterooms in the cruise,
(04:32):
and the grandparents said, hey, we had a big room,
and we told especially the teenagers, if y'all aren't getting along,
if there's any sort of issue, we have an extra
bed in our room, you can come here. So she said,
there was no sign of anything other than just fun
and family.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I can't get it right. I'm trying to work it out. Grandparents,
her mom, her stepmom, and then what was the sibling breakdown?
How many of our step siblings of Kanna Kapner and
how many were her actual So from.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
What I understand, and there were three three siblings on
Anna's side and two siblings on the stepmother's. Yes, yes,
so there were five kids in total and four adults
is what it sounds like. So yes, Anna's mom, sorry,
Anna's stepmom, her father, her paternal grandparents, and then all
(05:20):
the kids. And they said this was going to be
an annual tradition. The grandparents watching them speak about their family,
they were very loving and said all the kids, they
treated all the grandkids as their own, that there was
no step this or step, that they were all one
blended family. But it's interesting. Anna's aunt spoke out most
recently and said and said this about her niece. She said,
(05:44):
I know Anna fought. I know she fought for her life.
And this is where she even went a step further
and said, we don't understand why if the boy is
a suspect, why has he not been charged yet? What's
happening there? And she talks about the frustration with the family,
saying it's been rough. She actually said it's a turmoil.
We're just sitting here waiting, and so that is the question,
(06:07):
at least she is posing, why have authorities not taken
the next step?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, like in the ducks in a row, I would
assume that we've seen these investigations and they're very careful,
and they haven't released a lot, And it's really usually
a pretty good reason for not releasing a whole lot.
We have to hold off, obviously, have to wait and
see what's going on. This kid might not face a
charge of any kind, or there might be some other
explanation for what happened to her in that room, And
(06:33):
I think we don't go too far. Somebody clearly panicked
and tried to cover her body, not suggesting that was
the step brother, But I mean, given the condition you're
on a cruise ship, how do you think no one's
gonna get found under a bed covered in a blanket
with some life jackets on top of.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oeen year old kid.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Somebody got scared somebody else in that moment, and I'll
get who we gotta be cared. We don't want to
be accusatory to this kid. We were talking about what
these folks are saying. But when you I think in
any specialists any investigator will tell you about that scene.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
What it suggests, Yes, exactly that some And look, you
can go into plenty of forensic shows and see that
when someone wraps someone in a blanket, it tends to
be someone who knew them, who loved them, who's trying
to cover it because they want to take care. It's
not some random act of violence. That usually suggests that
there was a relationship, because there's some sort of you're
(07:29):
trying to even almost in a way, soothe the body,
protect the body, wrap it up. It suggests a lot
of what you do after the fact suggest a lot
about the relationship, perhaps before anything happened. And look, there
are a million different scenarios. This could have been an
accident and he panics. This could have absolutely been they
were rough housing. Anyone who has teenage kids, I have
(07:51):
seen rough housing. I'm saying, you know, parents, be careful.
Somebody could get hurt. That absolutely could have been the case,
and this kid didn't know what to do, because it
does look even Anna's grandmother describes him as a good student,
as a quiet kid. They had a good relationship. There
was never any fear about letting them all stay in
the same room. Together. And look, that is kind of
(08:12):
unusual on eighteen year old girl sleeping in the same
room as sixteen year old brother. That I wouldn't have
my brother and I would fight like hell not to
have to sleep in the same room together, just for
lots of reasons. So the fact that they were willing
to and happy to when they were given other options
speaks to their relationship. And that's why it's just been
puzzling for so many It seems like the families just
(08:35):
in turmoil because they couldn't have imagined anything like this happening.
There was no sign there was anything that could have
happened like this.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Well, folks, all of this happened again. The young lady died.
She was found dead on November seventh. These investigators believe
that's the day that she did die, November seventh, and
of course that was just weeks ahead of Thanksgiving that
we just had well, stay with you, stay with us.
We'll tell you what the family says they did for Thanksgiving,
(09:03):
what that looked like for them with one very important
member of their family not being with them. Also will
tell you, and read directly the line from that court
action that prompted everybody to start looking at the step brother.
(09:29):
All Right, folks, welcome back to this episode of Amy
and tj. Anna Keepner, eighteen year old young lady from Florida,
died found dead November seventh on a Carnival cruise ship
and appears at least from her members of her family
and a Kiptner's family. They're pouring the fingers directly at
her step brother who was sharing a room with her
(09:50):
on that cruise. And also we got under indications ropes
I mentioned from a court action. Anna Keepner had a
step mom on this trip with her and her step siblings.
Well that step mom it is still involved in a
court action with her ex husband over a child custody dispute. Well,
that was delayed, and this is rose. We did an
(10:11):
episode on this as well when this first came out.
But the line in her and again separate court action
said the respondent has been advised through discussions with FBI
investigators and her attorneys, that a criminal case may be
initiated against one of the minor children of this instant action.
So one of the kids involved in a custody dispute
(10:33):
is going to end up possibly being a suspect and
a murder investigation. Is what that line said, and that
was as plain as day. And I'm sure they didn't
want to have to write that, but it was necessary
to do that, and that's the most information we initially
got about what was going on in this investigation.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yes, and despite you know, we heard from Anna Kepner's
dad who said that he will be fighting to make
sure that his steps and will face the consequence. But
when he was directly asked do you believe your steps
on is responsible for your daughter's death, he said this quote.
I cannot say that he is responsible, but I can't
(11:11):
decline he was the only one that was in the room.
And the FBI has an ongoing investigation in which they
will have to provide the evidence to say that he
did do it or did not do this. But this
is a family of seven that has been together for
some time. They've celebrated, they've celebrated holidays together, they have
(11:34):
traditions together. I cannot imagine what this past week was
like for them. I'm sure been just surreal from November
seventh on. But when you have those holidays and those
traditions and you have this group of people who has
found a way to blend together to now be in
the middle of this finger pointing, these questions, the not knowing,
(11:55):
the investigation. It is beyond anything I could imagine.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Around the holidays, everybody Thanksgiving every holiday, so many families
are dealing with this being the first holiday without blank,
without this person that's past right, everybody is. So many
people have to deal with that during the holidays. A
lot of folks had a Thanksgiving and just had somebody
this is the first one without Grandma, that's the first
one without this, without that. Sometimes it comes close to
(12:22):
the holiday, and that's really devastating. But when you have
when it's we talk about a child that you still
don't know how she died? Wow, what is Thanksgiving like?
And the police are telling you, and in your heart
you believe that the person responsible is someone who spent
the last Thanksgiving with you, and who's supposed to spend
this one and the next one and the next one.
(12:44):
Now I didn't see Robes. I saw the comments, and
I believe it. I can't remember where he gave the
comments to the dad, but describing their Thanksgiving. But I
didn't see anything that suggested that they were all together
or actually that they weren't.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We don't know, So here is what he says. Because
he said his blended family of seven and that would
have included Anna and her stepbrother obviously, have always done
Thanksgiving with their own tradition. He said, we've always done
it a little differently. We let the kids decide what
they want. So he did say this year, the family
will spend this time close and together. He didn't specifically
(13:19):
mention the stepbrother, but that seems almost I can't imagine.
But we don't know who was in that family dinner.
But he said they're not going to do the traditional turkey,
which I understand. I mean, when you have a situation
like this and even divorce, you know, I totally support
mixing it up, just to try to get everybody into
(13:40):
new traditions and kind of accepting change. But this is
so different. He did tell a media outlet that the
family was planning on steak on the grill instead of turkey.
He said, they're not really doing Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. He said
they're still going to celebrate, and they still said. Anna
was there with them, she loved They said she specifically
(14:01):
loved cornbread casserole and they were gonna have that because
that's what she always asks for every year. But my god,
I just where's the kid?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Where's the steps soun? I really wonder And we talk
about this in one way, and the possibility that he's
being looked at as frankly a murderer, is how he's
being possibly looked at. Maybe they look at him differently,
they know him, they had to have had discussions with him,
or has he lawyered up in such a way that
he's not even talking to his parents or his step
(14:31):
parents or his family at this point. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
He could be with his dad for this Thanksgiving, you know.
And I was even just thinking to doing with this kid.
What that does to your relationship with your wife. This
is his second wife and her second husband, and seems
like they had a great relationship. They were all going
on a cruise together, their kids were all together, everything
was going well. Can you imagine as the parent of
a child who was murdered and it may be your
(14:57):
wife's child. I mean that, I don't know how our
marriage even survives that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Your kid killed mine. Yes, in a relationship, that's a
lot couples can overcome. And again we don't know the details.
There might be some type of reason that is acceptable
and short of him being monstrous. He's a sixteen year
old kid we're talking about, so.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Just gotten a little too rough, didn't know his own strength.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Breaked out. We just don't know, So we have to
wait and for whatever reason, Yes, this young lady is dead.
That's awful, But I have got to believe, and I'm
trying to hold on to a belief that something else
besides a sixteen year old kid just losing it or
being a murderer. Yeah, I'm waiting and I'm listening and
(15:47):
I'm wondering. But my god, it's an awful tragedy around
the holidays that's tearing this family apart.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Because accidents do happen, and kids do panic. There are
a lot of potentially different reasons why what happened happened,
and we'll have to wait for the authorities to tell us.
But this family certainly is hoping for answers sooner rather
than later, and we certainly hope they get them. I'm
with that. Everyone. Thank you so much for listening to us.
(16:15):
I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We hope you're enjoying
your Sunday and we'll talk to you sooner.
Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, November the thirtieth, and
the mystery or the death of a teenage girl aboard
a carnival cruise ship continues. It's a mystery to all
of us, but to some of her family members we've
been hearing from, there's no mystery to them at all.
And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
(00:25):
The family of Anna Kapner all on this cruise together.
This story has been making national international headlines. They try
to stop a little short of just flat out saying
her step brother killed her, but they kind of go
that far anyway they do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We've now heard from Anna Kepner's dad, her aunt, and
her grandparents, and without directly saying it, they're saying it.
I mean, they're saying it as clearly as they can
without legally getting into any kind of trouble.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, really fair to say they are stopping short. The
only thing they haven't said is I think he killed her, right,
I mean, but short of that, they kind of are
saying that in a different ways.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, the grandparents said specifically that detectives told them that
they looked at the surveillance video and when their granddaughter
went to bed not feeling so well earlier that evening.
The only person to come in and out of the
room she was in was the stepbrother. So that's fairly
(01:29):
damning right there. The grandparents also talked about his demeanor.
They said that he was beyond upset, that he actually
required attention. He was so beside himself when they found
Anna Kepner's body, and they said, he doesn't remember what happened.
He was an emotional mess. So there's that. And then
(01:51):
perhaps the most damning of all, her father, her own
father telling authorities that he does not stand behind what
my step son has done. I want him to face
the consequences. I will be fighting to make sure that
does happen. That is fairly specific and direct.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And to go back here, folks, we're talking about Anna Kapner.
You've seen her face, you have seen you've heard that
name quite a bit on this family vacation, this carnival
cruise earlier this month. And she's found under her bed
in her room with life vests on top of her,
wrapped in a blanket. It seemed obvious that someone was
(02:33):
trying to conceal her. The authorities have come out and
they have confirmed at least she was she did die.
It appears she was asphyxiated, right, Yes, he did tell
us that much. At least there was even talk about
a particular hold, a choke hole, that was used in
her death. But they did not name a suspect, and
they still have not. That isn't very important to say
(02:55):
Robes that there's no one in her family or elsewhere
who has been pointed to as a per from the
interest or as a suspect. But the reason we are
here now, and the reason that so much scrutiny has
been put now on her step brother his rose because
of another case that had nothing to do with this one.
In another case, her step mother is having a custody
(03:18):
issue in court, and she filed papers saying that we
need to delay this because one of my kids, my son,
is under possible investigation for by the FBI and could
possibly face criminal charges. So it is not difficult to
put two and two together. And now with some of
the statements from the family, it looks like all all
(03:39):
fingers are pointing towards the stepbrother who she was sharing
this room with on the cruise, correct at the time.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
So yeah, and it's puzzling because you also hear these
same family members describe Anna's relationship with her stepbrother as
just like brother and sister. Look, anyone who has and
has experienced a blended family knows their there are some
I mean, there are some growing pains, and it can
be difficult. It can be a struggle, especially with teenagers
and asking them to come together and now unite as
(04:09):
a family. That's not always the smoothest of transitions. But
by all accounts, even the folks who now are pointing
the finger at the stepbrothers said before this, there was
no sign of any concern. They were close. In fact,
the grandmother said they were two peas in a pod,
and she said that they actually elected to share the
room together. The family had three staterooms in the cruise,
(04:32):
and the grandparents said, hey, we had a big room,
and we told especially the teenagers, if y'all aren't getting along,
if there's any sort of issue, we have an extra
bed in our room, you can come here. So she said,
there was no sign of anything other than just fun
and family.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I can't get it right. I'm trying to work it out. Grandparents,
her mom, her stepmom, and then what was the sibling breakdown?
How many of our step siblings of Kanna Kapner and
how many were her actual So from.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
What I understand, and there were three three siblings on
Anna's side and two siblings on the stepmother's. Yes, yes,
so there were five kids in total and four adults
is what it sounds like. So yes, Anna's mom, sorry,
Anna's stepmom, her father, her paternal grandparents, and then all
(05:20):
the kids. And they said this was going to be
an annual tradition. The grandparents watching them speak about their family,
they were very loving and said all the kids, they
treated all the grandkids as their own, that there was
no step this or step, that they were all one
blended family. But it's interesting. Anna's aunt spoke out most
recently and said and said this about her niece. She said,
(05:44):
I know Anna fought. I know she fought for her life.
And this is where she even went a step further
and said, we don't understand why if the boy is
a suspect, why has he not been charged yet? What's
happening there? And she talks about the frustration with the family,
saying it's been rough. She actually said it's a turmoil.
We're just sitting here waiting, and so that is the question,
(06:07):
at least she is posing, why have authorities not taken
the next step?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, like in the ducks in a row, I would
assume that we've seen these investigations and they're very careful,
and they haven't released a lot, And it's really usually
a pretty good reason for not releasing a whole lot.
We have to hold off, obviously, have to wait and
see what's going on. This kid might not face a
charge of any kind, or there might be some other
explanation for what happened to her in that room, And
(06:33):
I think we don't go too far. Somebody clearly panicked
and tried to cover her body, not suggesting that was
the step brother, But I mean, given the condition you're
on a cruise ship, how do you think no one's
gonna get found under a bed covered in a blanket
with some life jackets on top of.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oeen year old kid.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Somebody got scared somebody else in that moment, and I'll
get who we gotta be cared. We don't want to
be accusatory to this kid. We were talking about what
these folks are saying. But when you I think in
any specialists any investigator will tell you about that scene.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
What it suggests, Yes, exactly that some And look, you
can go into plenty of forensic shows and see that
when someone wraps someone in a blanket, it tends to
be someone who knew them, who loved them, who's trying
to cover it because they want to take care. It's
not some random act of violence. That usually suggests that
there was a relationship, because there's some sort of you're
(07:29):
trying to even almost in a way, soothe the body,
protect the body, wrap it up. It suggests a lot
of what you do after the fact suggest a lot
about the relationship, perhaps before anything happened. And look, there
are a million different scenarios. This could have been an
accident and he panics. This could have absolutely been they
were rough housing. Anyone who has teenage kids, I have
(07:51):
seen rough housing. I'm saying, you know, parents, be careful.
Somebody could get hurt. That absolutely could have been the case,
and this kid didn't know what to do, because it
does look even Anna's grandmother describes him as a good student,
as a quiet kid. They had a good relationship. There
was never any fear about letting them all stay in
the same room. Together. And look, that is kind of
(08:12):
unusual on eighteen year old girl sleeping in the same
room as sixteen year old brother. That I wouldn't have
my brother and I would fight like hell not to
have to sleep in the same room together, just for
lots of reasons. So the fact that they were willing
to and happy to when they were given other options
speaks to their relationship. And that's why it's just been
puzzling for so many It seems like the families just
(08:35):
in turmoil because they couldn't have imagined anything like this happening.
There was no sign there was anything that could have
happened like this.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Well, folks, all of this happened again. The young lady died.
She was found dead on November seventh. These investigators believe
that's the day that she did die, November seventh, and
of course that was just weeks ahead of Thanksgiving that
we just had well, stay with you, stay with us.
We'll tell you what the family says they did for Thanksgiving,
(09:03):
what that looked like for them with one very important
member of their family not being with them. Also will
tell you, and read directly the line from that court
action that prompted everybody to start looking at the step brother.
(09:29):
All Right, folks, welcome back to this episode of Amy
and tj. Anna Keepner, eighteen year old young lady from Florida,
died found dead November seventh on a Carnival cruise ship
and appears at least from her members of her family
and a Kiptner's family. They're pouring the fingers directly at
her step brother who was sharing a room with her
(09:50):
on that cruise. And also we got under indications ropes
I mentioned from a court action. Anna Keepner had a
step mom on this trip with her and her step siblings.
Well that step mom it is still involved in a
court action with her ex husband over a child custody dispute. Well,
that was delayed, and this is rose. We did an
(10:11):
episode on this as well when this first came out.
But the line in her and again separate court action
said the respondent has been advised through discussions with FBI
investigators and her attorneys, that a criminal case may be
initiated against one of the minor children of this instant action.
So one of the kids involved in a custody dispute
(10:33):
is going to end up possibly being a suspect and
a murder investigation. Is what that line said, and that
was as plain as day. And I'm sure they didn't
want to have to write that, but it was necessary
to do that, and that's the most information we initially
got about what was going on in this investigation.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yes, and despite you know, we heard from Anna Kepner's
dad who said that he will be fighting to make
sure that his steps and will face the consequence. But
when he was directly asked do you believe your steps
on is responsible for your daughter's death, he said this quote.
I cannot say that he is responsible, but I can't
(11:11):
decline he was the only one that was in the room.
And the FBI has an ongoing investigation in which they
will have to provide the evidence to say that he
did do it or did not do this. But this
is a family of seven that has been together for
some time. They've celebrated, they've celebrated holidays together, they have
(11:34):
traditions together. I cannot imagine what this past week was
like for them. I'm sure been just surreal from November
seventh on. But when you have those holidays and those
traditions and you have this group of people who has
found a way to blend together to now be in
the middle of this finger pointing, these questions, the not knowing,
(11:55):
the investigation. It is beyond anything I could imagine.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Around the holidays, everybody Thanksgiving every holiday, so many families
are dealing with this being the first holiday without blank,
without this person that's past right, everybody is. So many
people have to deal with that during the holidays. A
lot of folks had a Thanksgiving and just had somebody
this is the first one without Grandma, that's the first
one without this, without that. Sometimes it comes close to
(12:22):
the holiday, and that's really devastating. But when you have
when it's we talk about a child that you still
don't know how she died? Wow, what is Thanksgiving like?
And the police are telling you, and in your heart
you believe that the person responsible is someone who spent
the last Thanksgiving with you, and who's supposed to spend
this one and the next one and the next one.
(12:44):
Now I didn't see Robes. I saw the comments, and
I believe it. I can't remember where he gave the
comments to the dad, but describing their Thanksgiving. But I
didn't see anything that suggested that they were all together
or actually that they weren't.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We don't know, So here is what he says. Because
he said his blended family of seven and that would
have included Anna and her stepbrother obviously, have always done
Thanksgiving with their own tradition. He said, we've always done
it a little differently. We let the kids decide what
they want. So he did say this year, the family
will spend this time close and together. He didn't specifically
(13:19):
mention the stepbrother, but that seems almost I can't imagine.
But we don't know who was in that family dinner.
But he said they're not going to do the traditional turkey,
which I understand. I mean, when you have a situation
like this and even divorce, you know, I totally support
mixing it up, just to try to get everybody into
(13:40):
new traditions and kind of accepting change. But this is
so different. He did tell a media outlet that the
family was planning on steak on the grill instead of turkey.
He said, they're not really doing Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. He said
they're still going to celebrate, and they still said. Anna
was there with them, she loved They said she specifically
(14:01):
loved cornbread casserole and they were gonna have that because
that's what she always asks for every year. But my god,
I just where's the kid?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Where's the steps soun? I really wonder And we talk
about this in one way, and the possibility that he's
being looked at as frankly a murderer, is how he's
being possibly looked at. Maybe they look at him differently,
they know him, they had to have had discussions with him,
or has he lawyered up in such a way that
he's not even talking to his parents or his step
(14:31):
parents or his family at this point. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
He could be with his dad for this Thanksgiving, you know.
And I was even just thinking to doing with this kid.
What that does to your relationship with your wife. This
is his second wife and her second husband, and seems
like they had a great relationship. They were all going
on a cruise together, their kids were all together, everything
was going well. Can you imagine as the parent of
a child who was murdered and it may be your
(14:57):
wife's child. I mean that, I don't know how our
marriage even survives that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Your kid killed mine. Yes, in a relationship, that's a
lot couples can overcome. And again we don't know the details.
There might be some type of reason that is acceptable
and short of him being monstrous. He's a sixteen year
old kid we're talking about, so.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Just gotten a little too rough, didn't know his own strength.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Breaked out. We just don't know, So we have to
wait and for whatever reason, Yes, this young lady is dead.
That's awful, But I have got to believe, and I'm
trying to hold on to a belief that something else
besides a sixteen year old kid just losing it or
being a murderer. Yeah, I'm waiting and I'm listening and
(15:47):
I'm wondering. But my god, it's an awful tragedy around
the holidays that's tearing this family apart.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Because accidents do happen, and kids do panic. There are
a lot of potentially different reasons why what happened happened,
and we'll have to wait for the authorities to tell us.
But this family certainly is hoping for answers sooner rather
than later, and we certainly hope they get them. I'm
with that. Everyone. Thank you so much for listening to us.
(16:15):
I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We hope you're enjoying
your Sunday and we'll talk to you sooner.
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