August 11, 2025 • 35 mins
Everyday she’s hustling. Rapper and OG influencer Blac Chyna doesn’t sugarcoat anything, staying relevant takes work and she’s always up for the job.
Hear about her parenting process, what she tells her kids about her past, and how her future looks fit for the silver screen!
Plus, a tearful confession when Gia and Black Chyna bond over the fierce competition on Special Forces!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hell, guys, and welcome back to another reason of casual chaos. Angela,
welcome to casual chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
How are your problem?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I'm good? How are you? Do you want me to
say Angela?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Just let it flow? Like people ask to like should
I say Angela or black China? But if everybody keeps saying, hey,
it's black China, you.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Know the world knows you as black China.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But given your name is Angela white, when did you
start going by black China?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Two thousand and seven?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
No, two thousand and six, And how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It came about because I was an exotic dancer. I
was a scripper.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And then do you like that that is a part
of you or do you wish at some points.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You can drop that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No? I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You gotta embrace right, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Love it because all of these things make me, you
feel me in like, come on, we all have a
scripper friend. Or if you don't know she's a scripper,
he's a stripper. If you see some tall, tall, tall
hills in the back, write me to ask some that question.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, there was a girl in my sorority at college
who she became a stripper and it was everyone was
jaw dropped. But I was like, go off, like you're
doing what you gotta do. She was killing it.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
She was something for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I forget what she was, but she literally went and
like got the wig, like professionally put on. She's like, girl,
do you know how much it costs to put this
on me? And I was like she was so funny.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
But she was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What sorority are you in?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I in Zta Zeta at Rutgers. Okay, were you in
a sorority?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No? I was in a scrip club. If you want
to say we were sisters.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
We are, Okay. I love that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So you rose to fame at the age of twenty
two and twenty ten, your name was dropped and the
Drake song Miss Me, and then later on that year
you were a stunt double for Nicki Minaj and Kanye
West's music video for Monster. Did you feel like your
life changed overnight during that moment?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No, I was still in the strip club. Absolutely not. Baby.
Just because somebody put your name in this song does
not mean quins. You know, it does get you to
notoriety of people come into the club and seeing you
and things of that sort, But that wasn't what really
did it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So what did do it for you?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It was a multitude of things, but mostly me, it
was me just being an ultimate hustler, just hustling for everything. Yeah,
and then my cosmetics, a store that at the time
I had had eighty eight finn I had Lash Cosmetics.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean, obviously working at the strip club, I'm sure
you made a lot of money there. But then when
did you feel like, Okay, I'm being recognized.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I would have to say, when people stop calling or
saying I look like Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Did you like that?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I loved it. It was cute because I actually know Nicki.
So I feel like that's when people really started to
get to know me, you know what I mean, Because
if you look like somebody, they're gonna be like, oh
my gosh, like people they walk up to you on
the street. Because I've always been her. Like, if it
was in a strip club, people already knew who I was.
If it was magazines, they already knew who I was.
(03:31):
But now this is a whole different ballgame where it's
like real media, real tabloids, all of that. So the
moment when people started walking up to me and saying
black China and not excuse me, you look like Nicki Minaj.
And I'd be like, oh, thank you. You want to
take a picture still, because Leyden, you'd be like, oh
my gosh, that was actually black China.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Wait where did you grow up?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I grew up in Washington, DC?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Okay. And then did you eventually make a move to La?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
No? From there was Miami?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I went to Miami because I was going to Johnston
Wells j WU in Miami, which was a culinary art school,
but I was going there for business management. So that's
when I had moved to Miami. And then after Miami,
I came to LA and I've been out here ever since.
I love La. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
No, La is great, a lot of opportunities and you're
definitely surrounded by you know, a good a good circle.
I would say, did you ever feel like ever walking
away from the spotlight completely?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I could anybody walk away from the spotlight?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
No, You're right, it depends on.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like what spotlight means to you. Like I felt like
I've always been like noticed or somebody in whatever rim
of life that I was in, whether it was high school,
you knew who I was. If it was in a
strip club, you knew who I was. If it was
with the hair and makeup like you knew, It's just
it's just different rims. I don't think it was a
(05:01):
time where like nobody where it was a time where
I was a nobody, or at least I never felt
like that anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You always felt like people knew you, people talked about you.
You were always in people's ear. And I mean that's
a great point that you know, even at points now,
you know when life gets dark, because my family's been
through some pretty dark points, and I'm sure you know
everyone has a broken window in their home. Everyone goes
through it. But even when the moments get dark, that's
(05:29):
when the people talk about you the most. And then
from there it's you really can't walk away from it.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
No matter what. Once you're already in.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
The public eye, people are always going to know who
you are, maybe not as much at certain points in
you like certain points in time, some people will be
bigger than you, and then you'll come back. But no
matter what, you're always gonna people are always gonna know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
People always know you, And honestly, it depends on what
you want to be left off being known as So
if somebody was to walk away when they're obviously setting
a positive example, then that's like a good walk away.
Now walking away because of drum and stuff like that.
(06:13):
You don't want to be known or less seen doing that,
you know. And then also so you have to think
it's a different entertainer influencer that's coming out every day.
You know. So if you don't stay with the Joneses,
you're gonna naturally, you're gonna naturally get left behind without
you even walking away. You don't have to walk away
(06:35):
because you're not interested enough for me to even follow you.
So that's what happens to. We'd be like, dang, like
whatever happened to? Oh yeah, that's because they didn't keep
up with the Joneses. That's why you have like your Rihanna's,
your jay Z's, you're Beyonces, they're Jays j Low's. They're
always in the mix. They don't stay in the mix.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Oh Snoop Dogg, I always always reinventing themselves.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You're right and following the.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Track, like setting the trends.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
On Beyonce coming out with her country album, no one
would ever thinks she would do that and then she
flipped heads. Everyone was freaking out and loving it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was freaking out, but it was talking so much,
you know what I mean. But let's take away like
the name, Like we're talking about the talent, and that's
that's what the problem is. Because if it wasn't Beyonce
and it was somebody else, then it wouldn't be a problem.
But because Beyonce, she's talented, why would she put herself
in the box? And I feel like that way with anybody.
You can be talented and do other things, just even
(07:35):
for your mindset, Like if everything's in a repetition and
a spiral, you're gonna lose it. We have to use
our God given talents to bless this world, and she's
been blessing us too.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I love that m'sa she is, She's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
To fast forward a bit, your relationship with the father
of your child became very public and you talked about
being publicly.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Humiliated during that time.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
What was the hardest part about going through these breakups
with the world watching and being involved with one of
the most famous families in the industry.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm that answering your next question, no problem.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
How do you keep yourself emotionally strong for your kids.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
By praying and keeping to myself and not saying things
that doesn't really matter. I only talk about the things
that matter and what's important and as God's sobriety and
that's just really it, the Bible, just everything positive.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Throughout all of like the craziness. What has been like
your biggest piece of advice for your kids?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Your daughter Dream is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I see you's baby.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
She is so gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I see her on my social media all the time,
and her relationship with her cousins remind me so much
much of how I was with my cousins. Like when
you're at family parties and then you and the cousins
go off and you can, like you choreograph your own little.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Dance and then perform it in front of everyone.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
They are the cutest thing. And she seems just like
such a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
She is. She gets it from her mama. No, but no,
she does. Though I feel like a lot of things
that drink does, I literally crack up. I'm like, you
are literally Like It's been times when she'll do stuff
that she's never seen me do before, and I'm like, Okay, yeah,
maybe I'm starting to believe like this genetic thing might
might be, might have some truth to it. But on No,
(09:40):
I don't. I just leave by example, I don't push
anything like on King or Dream. I let them be children.
I don't. That's why I don't rarely post them because
I feel like, just in this day and age, everything
is just so overstimulating and I don't want them to
ever be be overstimulated or feel like they have to
(10:02):
fit in or they have to do something, or they
have to quote unquote work because social media and all
this stuff is works. It's not like, oh, it's just
like a fun time. So that's really good.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, speaking of that, that's what I was going to
ask you, Like, you've gotten a.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Lot of praise of how you raise King and Dream,
and what kind of parenting rules have you set around fame, privacy,
and social media in your household?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, they can't have TikTok or Instagram or nothing like that.
Imagine I get up in dreams on TikTok live getting
those gifts wait for me. No, I kidding?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
How old is she?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
How old are can you?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Waking dreams? Eight? And then she'll be nine in November?
And then Jing is twelve. He'll be thirteen this year,
and I was like, wow, time goes by very very
very sound quick, and there's still babies like I don't
really and they have a let me tell you something.
They have a lot of common sense and they're very vocal.
(11:07):
It's nothing that they can't come to me and like
talk about. But it has never been like a combative
thing like hey, you can't be on the Instagram or
social media or anything like that. It's just like this
is what it is.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, they just like respect it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Obviously they're aware that, you know, their parents are very
public figures. So do they look at it as a
way of you protecting them?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, this has just always been your life. This is
like their norm. If this was just to happen today
or tomorrow, then it would be at normal. But this
is like their day to day. So it's not like
they're like super spoiled running around here like give me money,
give me money. It's like they've always been around money,
both of them. They've always had things. So it's even
(11:52):
funny because King Hill ask me. He's like, Mom, can
you send me some money? And I'm like, yeah, how
much you need? King like I don't care. He's keep
ever playing it for me. So I need to get
something in Roe Books and I'm like, okay, King, Like
how much is He's like, I just need you to
send me two dollars? No, it was three dollars. I
need you to send me three dollars. Now, like three
dollars King, I'm like okay, So I sent ten and
(12:12):
then I get another like ing and he sent me
seven dollars back.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
No, why God for donna you give me ten?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I give me nine back.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Now I'm going right because it's like a cheat. It's
a tree.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
When my dad used to give me more than I
asked for, I'm like, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah. Then I'm like, is this a trick question? Do
you really need ten? You're just trying to be easy
because you know I'm gonna send more. No, But that's
that's what they don't. They don't like ask for too much.
And I'm happy for that, but I feel like most
of the times when money or tangible things come about
is when you can't give them the proper attention that
(12:49):
they need. And Benezolda gets a boy and a girl
that are totally different, so it's like the attention I
have to give. Dream is totally different from King, but
the love is still there. They love is equal.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Are they are they super close?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah? They are King? Oh my goodness. They're so funny
because I'm an only child. So when they get the
bicker in and Steven, I'm just like, this is great.
This is all I ever wanted growing up was say
hear this right?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, I'm one of four and the house is
never quiet, so it's like never quiet, and I'm moving
out soon, closer to the city. And I just told
my youngest sister because I'm the oldest. And then my
two sisters are twenty and nineteen, but they they they're
at college, so they're leaving for college soon. And then
(13:40):
my youngest sister is fifteen, and I just told her
that I'm moving out in the fall, and she was like,
no way, Like, you're gonna leave me. I'm gonna be
in this house all alone. She was like, who am
I going to go to pilates with?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What is what is going on?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, that's sweet. This is She's gonna build fee so
much character. Why you guys are going Oh, I know,
but the thing is, I feel like you're gonna miss
them the most, ohcause you're.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Like, I'm gonna miss them so much.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I just I felt my whole life that I've always
had to be home to kind of just protect my
siblings and just always be around if my mom ever
needed anything. So it was always that like sense of Okay,
I'm home, things are okay if they need to ride.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I was just always there.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And you know, when your career brings you to this
point where the commuting's too much, or you know you
have to make that change, that move, and that change
for yourself, it's a weird feeling because I'm like, Okay,
I could still stick it out and stay home and
run myself dry every day and be exhausted every day,
or I could make my life a little easier. And
(14:50):
I don't think I've ever really done that for myself.
And now I'm gonna do that, and I think it's
just like a weird feeling.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's gonna be so, it's gonna be so creat you're
gonna you're gonna open up the key to your door.
It might be stuff in it, it might be an air mattress.
Who knows, because we all got to start off with
an air mattress.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm just saying, Oh, literally, I'm gonna have like my
TV and my air mattress on my yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Like and it's like you want to come up like
and you look at that and you get motivated. You're like, yeah,
I'm gonna stack my money and and go out and
do my thing. But it's gonna be good for you.
It's healthy. And I'm just glad and I'm just glad
for you that it wasn't a thing towards though you
were pushed out because a lot of times in the
(15:36):
and well, i'm not gonna say a lot of times
for me. Once you get to a certain age, it's
like you gotta go figure it out, get out of
my house, you know. So it's like it's two different things.
So blessings to you that you get to say and
you know what I mean, and grat and gracefully leave,
you know, like that is a blessing. And then you
just just can come visit you.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
That's what I saw, that you could come and spend
a weekend with me.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It'll be I was like, I'll be right by the city,
we could have a girl's day, it'll be awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's cool me that you're so sweet me too. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Have your children ever asked about your career? Are they
ever at this point where they ask about your career
and what you did growing up and how you kind
of got to this point? Even King asking his dad like, oh, Daddy, like,
how did you make it to this point? Because I
grew up on it when I was really little too,
like just being in the reality TV space. And it's
(16:32):
weird because now I like have started to ask my
parents like, oh, did you actually have a conversation with
us before going on reality TV?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Like did we ever say it was okay?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yet?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Roll the cameras, Like did you ever ask us if
this if this was okay? And they were like, well,
you guys were so little at the time that it
was kind of like every little girl's dream. You were
so into dance and modeling that you loved the cameras around.
And I was like, Okay, I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That's why I'm so protective over dream and the cameras
and stuff. I'll like let her do small things like
the Nicki Minaj's challenge because she killed fake I don't
know if you see anybody's on my page, just like
a glimpse because I don't want to have her feel like, Okay,
I can't do it at all, like with my mom.
(17:27):
So I'll do like little cute videos, a little TikTok
video or something like that, because I feel like if
I expose her too early, then it's going to discarage her.
And I just want to protect her energy so when
she do go out, she can have the leisure to
do whatever she want to do. So I'm not going
to say hey, because Dream does music, she does by
(17:48):
let hip hop gymnastics. Like I'm like, you're not tired,
and she's not.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You know that was like me and you were like
my mom my mom put me in everything, and that's
what also like keeps us going. And then you know,
eventually she's gonna find what she really loves, yeah, and
then she's going to pursue that like she's never pursued
anything before.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And that was like me.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I fell in love with tumbling and gymnastics and cheer
so I like settled on competitive cheerleading because it was
kind of a mixture. It was dance and gymnastics, so
I liked the both and I found something that kind
of gave me that happy medium, and that's what I
pursued all throughout, like all throughout high school pretty much.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
And then when I went to college.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, my career started picking up and I wanted
to just be a normal college kid. But but yeah, no,
it was it was definitely an experience. And I mean,
I feel like as parents, you know, my parents, you
you try to do the best that you can to
protect your children from the outside world, honestly, because the
outside world is where things get harsh and people get
(19:01):
mean and the comments could be overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
So you know, Dream is.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So sweet and innocent and she's still so pure that like,
and same with King. You know, they're just at an
age where and this is where it gets difficult too,
because the generational growth that has just been happening over
the past years.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Is so scary. Kids grow up so fast, they get
exposed to so many things so early now.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I got it into the bubble. I got it
in the bubble, the bubble and good bubble too.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, you know, you have to because it's so scary.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's very scary. They're very, very very kid like, even
kitty like kitty like because I was like, when I
was not even really Dream I would say my dream
is intellectually uh mature for sure. KINGI is like still
like my I don't know. To me, I don't know
if he's put on the front, but to me, he's
(20:02):
still like a baby. I'm like, you can't do that, King,
I want you to do it. No, you do it.
Dreams Still I'm like, and you can do that, you
can do this, and I just still want me to
do it. But they're just still baby like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, they'll do it when they're by themselves, but when
you're around, they're like, mommy.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Please, right, I'm on to them the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's like you're trying to protect them, and I think,
you know, honestly, my youngest sister, she because when all
the legal stuff went on with my family and when
we were going through a lot of stuff just publicly.
She she was six, but then as she got older,
it was also just mean kids in school saying things
(20:46):
to her like oh, your parents are in jail, or
like you know, little things here and there that Once
she got a phone, you know, then she's exposed to
the comments and things on social media.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
So even though we did not.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Tell her at six years old, that her parents that
you know, mommy and daddy are going to be going
to jail. We never said that. We said that they
were going to camp and they have to go for work,
and we always made that narrative to her. But you
know now and it's so weird and you get like
chills when she says this to us. She always knew
(21:24):
where they were going, she said, she goes. I always
knew where they were going, and I just never wanted
you guys to, you know, worry that like I wasn't okay,
but like I always knew, and she knew because of
the outside world and because of other people, not because
of your inner circle.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And that's where it gets. That's where so and.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
This is I'm glad that we're having this conversation because
it's given me a really good insight just with my
with my personal life and my children. That's why I
can and dream. They know everything, and I'm very vocal.
I'll tell them like, hey, this is what this is.
Or king those I used to be a dancer. I
(22:07):
told him, you know what I mean and what it was,
but I did it in a joking. You're like flowers,
this is the day before you King He's just silight.
He's like what, I'm like, yeah, King, this is like
way before you. But I'm very vocal with them with
my sobriety. They even make jokes like to me and
stuff like that. Like I was like, you know, am
(22:28):
I to be doing my my Uh? This was when
I was turning two years sober and Dream was like,
well I think CHECKI said, well, I'm seven years sober.
Like they just say little funny things because they when
they would see like the balloons and stuff, They're like,
what is this something like this is my sobriety and
because mommy doesn't drink alcohol and things like that, and
(22:49):
King's like, I'll never drink alcohol. So we just have
like these these real life conversations and it feels good
because at the end of the day, these are my children.
I gotta be real them because I would want somebody
to be real me because if I'm real with them,
they'll always know how I'm coming regardless, you know. And
I feel like it with saying certain things, it's always
(23:10):
about the timy and the tone. Like if I if
I explain something to you in a sweet, calm, gentle tone,
you understand, you know, have a which way or whatever
it is that I'm talking about, Like you, what is
it dissect dissected way better than any any other way.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's probably I think even you know, from a child's perspective,
and you know, I obviously don't have children yet, but
I see the way you know, how you're speaking, how
you're so honest with your kids, and that is that's
like my mom. As much as she was like a
parent and obviously a parent to us, she was always
so honest with us and always put us in a
(23:56):
direction where it was like, okay, girls, do the because
I want you to be better than mommy, and I
don't want you to make the same mistakes that mommy did,
so let's move in this direction.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And I think when you're honest with your children and.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Really just like they see that vulnerability in you and
they just they feel it ten times more so, like
King saying, Mommy, I'm never gonna drink. He probably could
see that drinking hurt you in the past, so he's like,
I would never want to do that, you know, just
little things that they pick up on, and it's like,
(24:30):
it's really beautiful that you're so honest with your kids
because they're.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Going to appreciate that one day.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So You're starring in a new film named A Pardon
Me coming out August fifteenth, based on a real life
story of Bevelyn Williams.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Tell me about this a Christian based movie.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And when I met Bevelyn, I just felt compelled by
her story. I love the fact that she was just
so open and honest and even wanting to share this
with the world and being so vulnerable with the content
of the film because it will and I know this too,
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it was going to definitely cause a lot of controversy
and uproar, and I'm cool with that. That's good because
I feel like in this world, everybody has their own
opinions and beliefs and morals, and a lot of times
people don't really talk about how they really feel. And
that's what we need in it's life. We need more
leaders or people to at least stand up and speak
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on how they truly feel.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But when I got there, it was well, this movie
is based on The Face Act, right, which is just
a really compelling story.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, yes, and I am so. I got like a
little like a few people that was like, oh, I'm
on following you because of the movie and I was like, okay,
unfollowing me, and then I thought it was kind of
funny because at the very end of the day, this
is my very first lead role as an actress. Like,
this is my very first lead role, so.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
First time you did anything scripted like this.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Now I've done stripped before, but this is my first
lead role. So I am Beverly in the movie.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's amazing. Congratulations, Yeah, yep, yep, yep. How was it filming?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It was? It was awesome. It was good because Bevlin
was there and I was able to really talk to
her and tap in and really get to learn her
more just from reading the script or seeing things on
the TV about her or going to YouTube. It's just
a total It's just totally different, and it kind of
reminded me of myself because people have these perceptions of me,
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but then when you meet me, you're like, oh, wait,
it kind of could you kind of I like you
And I'm like, way, I like you too. We'll be
doing it. Yeah. So that's how That's how it was
with her. But it was times when I was on
the movie set and I'm like, I'm getting in my
head because I want to nail it so bad because
it's not like I could just go and just be
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myself or make up the character as I go along.
It's like I'm trying to tap in to a different person.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's really but I what I must.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Say, I did a really good job. I can't wait
to see it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm sure you killed it. I'm so excited to watch you.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I can't wait for this to come out.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What impact are you hoping this film makes on people's lives?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I hope that this impact truly opens their eyes to
Angela White, that a woman can come from being a
scripper and from the drama and from this and this
and change her life and really follow her dreams and
step outside of the box to empower the next person,
because who else could play Beth and like Williams of
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it and Angelo White, you know. So it's like it's
all these different steps because we were really hard on
ourselves and sometimes we can't forget and forgive to even
ourselves and forget and forgives, so you could give yourself
grace to move on. A lot of people get stuck
in the past or stuck in their own waists and
even their thoughts will hinder them even before they go
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out and try to do something different. So I'm hoping
that when people see this they'd be like, Wow, let
me go pick up my Bible and get right with
the lure. Because the way that Angelo White is winning
right now, something has to give.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So you were also on the second season of Special Forces.
What was that experience like for you?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Okay, So first off I thought, wait, can before you start,
can I give you a little secret?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I was just on it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh my goodness, what did your film? Was it cold
or hot?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
We were hot? Thank god?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh I was freezing. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You were in Wales, right, We were in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It was freezing. It was freezing cold. That one challenge,
I couldn't walk down that that that damn with that
with the water underneath. I don't know about this. I'm like,
and that's so embarrassing. Imagine my harness popping and I'm
just no, no, no, that's embarrassing. I'm not gonna go
out like that and be embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Did you ever actually feel like you were gonna die?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I couldn't do what I got over the ledge I
looked down and I just was like, I can't go out.
I cannot go out like this. I was like, I
can't do that. I can't do it. I gotta go.
They're like, what if you come back on and you
gotta go? Listen, Like they couldn't get they should at
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least give like people two tries or like two skips
or something that I felt like it was like no skips.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Well that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
They did care if you failed the challenge, but you
had to attempt it, which was I think the most
nerve wracking thing of it all that they.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Just sent me home. It was like bye bye, Miss White.
I was like, bye, did you feel did you feel
kind of crazy when you came back? Even though it was, uh,
it's not scripted, but even even even though you know
it's not real, but it but it is real, meaning
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like you can't go home like that's that's the real
part about it. No why by it's no phone, no chapstick,
no face cream, none of your personal things. But when you.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Shower, the shower and toilet situation was horrible and it
was you know, I feel like people really don't understand
that this was the this was the I think probably
you two hardest thing of my life.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It was crazy mine's it was a scary. Did you
see like the mountains that we was riding with those
trucks and the guy would just be flying. I was
having heart attacks every time we got in those trucks.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And then how talented the actual camera crew was.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Oh yeah there, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
God, climbing on the mountains doing everything that we were doing.
I'm like, okay, we think that we have to be fit,
but no, you you people are also carrying these cameras
like it was wild.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
But do you feel like it was the hardest thing
you've ever done?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Ah? Not the hardest, No, not the hardest thing really.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Oh my god, I was I thought I cried almost
every day.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't the It wasn't the
hardest thing. It was just you know, you just didn't
know what was going on, Like you didn't know if
they was gonna wake you up, it about your sleep,
if what time you were we was going to eat.
That was my biggest thing. I love some food. I'm like, hey,
there's some food.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Out of all the DS's, who did you connect with
the most.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Oh my goodness, what.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Was so rudy? There was Rudy, Q, Foxy, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Think it was Q towards it was Q after. But
when I was in there, none of them, None of
them because you know, they stay in character like they're
not there to be your friend.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
No, oh my god, it was you. No right, no Q.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I have to say Q and Rudy and even they
pushed me the most. They were screaming in my face
the whole time.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I was like, oh my.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
God, did they do the whole bag over the face thing?
Uh huh yeah, I heard my ded doing it. I
would get them. My knee was right the whole time.
I was like, They're like, we don't care about your day.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It was real.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It was well, I have to I definitely need to
tune in now. This is this is good. I told people.
I was like, yeah, I'm especially for it because it
was like when we watched two episodes and you were gone,
I was like, I had to go. It was too hard.
It was too it was too difficult for me.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You've also done incredible work with Katerina's Club. For those
who may not know, what is the mission behind this organization.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
To feed children to feed children, to go out and
be a part of the community. Bruto a part of
what Bruto is. He feeds five thousand children today.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
As his trucks at the kitchen. I love going to
the kitchen. I've actually cooked with him too, Like it
is actually really good food. It's not like it's.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Like pasta, real chicken, real vegetables and cakes, pastries, So
it's really good food and healthy food too at that
because it's one thing to feed the children, but are
you really feeding them?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Like what are you feeding? What are you given to them?
Because the sandwich is not going to.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Cut it, no, for sure. So what kind of work
have you been able to do with this nonprofit?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just simply just give back and just be apart. That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
What's next for you? Are there any projects that you
can share or want to work on in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yes, I uh, I want to be the next Catwoman.
I'm working on it.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
They're they're like they're read they're like reinventing these old,
these superhero movies.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
So go for it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I would I would love to be Catwoman. You've got
to lose a few.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Pounds in a new cat move in Marvel film.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I already got the nails. I actually lived with
four cats, so hey, I'm not too far off.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Thank you well, Angela White, thank you so much for
coming on Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thank you. I love that name too. I love the
name thank.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
You because I just feel like, you know, life can
be so casually chaotic, you go through the motions, but
it's also constant chaos twenty like, just.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Come on, just walk through the fire with me. You
get to the other side.
Hell, guys, and welcome back to another reason of casual chaos. Angela,
welcome to casual chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
How are your problem?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I'm good? How are you? Do you want me to
say Angela?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Just let it flow? Like people ask to like should
I say Angela or black China? But if everybody keeps saying, hey,
it's black China, you.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Know the world knows you as black China.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
But given your name is Angela white, when did you
start going by black China?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Two thousand and seven?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
No, two thousand and six, And how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It came about because I was an exotic dancer. I
was a scripper.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And then do you like that that is a part
of you or do you wish at some points.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You can drop that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No? I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You gotta embrace right, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Love it because all of these things make me, you
feel me in like, come on, we all have a
scripper friend. Or if you don't know she's a scripper,
he's a stripper. If you see some tall, tall, tall
hills in the back, write me to ask some that question.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, there was a girl in my sorority at college
who she became a stripper and it was everyone was
jaw dropped. But I was like, go off, like you're
doing what you gotta do. She was killing it.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
She was something for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I forget what she was, but she literally went and
like got the wig, like professionally put on. She's like, girl,
do you know how much it costs to put this
on me? And I was like she was so funny.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
But she was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
What sorority are you in?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I in Zta Zeta at Rutgers. Okay, were you in
a sorority?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No? I was in a scrip club. If you want
to say we were sisters.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
We are, Okay. I love that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So you rose to fame at the age of twenty
two and twenty ten, your name was dropped and the
Drake song Miss Me, and then later on that year
you were a stunt double for Nicki Minaj and Kanye
West's music video for Monster. Did you feel like your
life changed overnight during that moment?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No, I was still in the strip club. Absolutely not. Baby.
Just because somebody put your name in this song does
not mean quins. You know, it does get you to
notoriety of people come into the club and seeing you
and things of that sort, But that wasn't what really
did it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So what did do it for you?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It was a multitude of things, but mostly me, it
was me just being an ultimate hustler, just hustling for everything. Yeah,
and then my cosmetics, a store that at the time
I had had eighty eight finn I had Lash Cosmetics.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean, obviously working at the strip club, I'm sure
you made a lot of money there. But then when
did you feel like, Okay, I'm being recognized.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I would have to say, when people stop calling or
saying I look like Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Did you like that?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I loved it. It was cute because I actually know Nicki.
So I feel like that's when people really started to
get to know me, you know what I mean, Because
if you look like somebody, they're gonna be like, oh
my gosh, like people they walk up to you on
the street. Because I've always been her. Like, if it
was in a strip club, people already knew who I was.
If it was magazines, they already knew who I was.
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But now this is a whole different ballgame where it's
like real media, real tabloids, all of that. So the
moment when people started walking up to me and saying
black China and not excuse me, you look like Nicki Minaj.
And I'd be like, oh, thank you. You want to
take a picture still, because Leyden, you'd be like, oh
my gosh, that was actually black China.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Wait where did you grow up?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I grew up in Washington, DC?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Okay. And then did you eventually make a move to La?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
No? From there was Miami?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I went to Miami because I was going to Johnston
Wells j WU in Miami, which was a culinary art school,
but I was going there for business management. So that's
when I had moved to Miami. And then after Miami,
I came to LA and I've been out here ever since.
I love La. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
No, La is great, a lot of opportunities and you're
definitely surrounded by you know, a good a good circle.
I would say, did you ever feel like ever walking
away from the spotlight completely?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I could anybody walk away from the spotlight?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
No, You're right, it depends on.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like what spotlight means to you. Like I felt like
I've always been like noticed or somebody in whatever rim
of life that I was in, whether it was high school,
you knew who I was. If it was in a
strip club, you knew who I was. If it was
with the hair and makeup like you knew, It's just
it's just different rims. I don't think it was a
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time where like nobody where it was a time where
I was a nobody, or at least I never felt
like that anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You always felt like people knew you, people talked about you.
You were always in people's ear. And I mean that's
a great point that you know, even at points now,
you know when life gets dark, because my family's been
through some pretty dark points, and I'm sure you know
everyone has a broken window in their home. Everyone goes
through it. But even when the moments get dark, that's
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when the people talk about you the most. And then
from there it's you really can't walk away from it.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
No matter what. Once you're already in.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
The public eye, people are always going to know who
you are, maybe not as much at certain points in
you like certain points in time, some people will be
bigger than you, and then you'll come back. But no
matter what, you're always gonna people are always gonna know.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
People always know you, And honestly, it depends on what
you want to be left off being known as So
if somebody was to walk away when they're obviously setting
a positive example, then that's like a good walk away.
Now walking away because of drum and stuff like that.
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You don't want to be known or less seen doing that,
you know. And then also so you have to think
it's a different entertainer influencer that's coming out every day.
You know. So if you don't stay with the Joneses,
you're gonna naturally, you're gonna naturally get left behind without
you even walking away. You don't have to walk away
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because you're not interested enough for me to even follow you.
So that's what happens to. We'd be like, dang, like
whatever happened to? Oh yeah, that's because they didn't keep
up with the Joneses. That's why you have like your Rihanna's,
your jay Z's, you're Beyonces, they're Jays j Low's. They're
always in the mix. They don't stay in the mix.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Oh Snoop Dogg, I always always reinventing themselves.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You're right and following the.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Track, like setting the trends.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
On Beyonce coming out with her country album, no one
would ever thinks she would do that and then she
flipped heads. Everyone was freaking out and loving it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was freaking out, but it was talking so much,
you know what I mean. But let's take away like
the name, Like we're talking about the talent, and that's
that's what the problem is. Because if it wasn't Beyonce
and it was somebody else, then it wouldn't be a problem.
But because Beyonce, she's talented, why would she put herself
in the box? And I feel like that way with anybody.
You can be talented and do other things, just even
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for your mindset, Like if everything's in a repetition and
a spiral, you're gonna lose it. We have to use
our God given talents to bless this world, and she's
been blessing us too.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I love that m'sa she is, She's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
To fast forward a bit, your relationship with the father
of your child became very public and you talked about
being publicly.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Humiliated during that time.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
What was the hardest part about going through these breakups
with the world watching and being involved with one of
the most famous families in the industry.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm that answering your next question, no problem.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
How do you keep yourself emotionally strong for your kids.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
By praying and keeping to myself and not saying things
that doesn't really matter. I only talk about the things
that matter and what's important and as God's sobriety and
that's just really it, the Bible, just everything positive.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Throughout all of like the craziness. What has been like
your biggest piece of advice for your kids?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Your daughter Dream is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I see you's baby.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
She is so gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I see her on my social media all the time,
and her relationship with her cousins remind me so much
much of how I was with my cousins. Like when
you're at family parties and then you and the cousins
go off and you can, like you choreograph your own little.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Dance and then perform it in front of everyone.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
They are the cutest thing. And she seems just like
such a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
She is. She gets it from her mama. No, but no,
she does. Though I feel like a lot of things
that drink does, I literally crack up. I'm like, you
are literally Like It's been times when she'll do stuff
that she's never seen me do before, and I'm like, Okay, yeah,
maybe I'm starting to believe like this genetic thing might
might be, might have some truth to it. But on No,
(09:40):
I don't. I just leave by example, I don't push
anything like on King or Dream. I let them be children.
I don't. That's why I don't rarely post them because
I feel like, just in this day and age, everything
is just so overstimulating and I don't want them to
ever be be overstimulated or feel like they have to
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fit in or they have to do something, or they
have to quote unquote work because social media and all
this stuff is works. It's not like, oh, it's just
like a fun time. So that's really good.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, speaking of that, that's what I was going to
ask you, Like, you've gotten a.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Lot of praise of how you raise King and Dream,
and what kind of parenting rules have you set around fame, privacy,
and social media in your household?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, they can't have TikTok or Instagram or nothing like that.
Imagine I get up in dreams on TikTok live getting
those gifts wait for me. No, I kidding?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
How old is she?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
How old are can you?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Waking dreams? Eight? And then she'll be nine in November?
And then Jing is twelve. He'll be thirteen this year,
and I was like, wow, time goes by very very
very sound quick, and there's still babies like I don't
really and they have a let me tell you something.
They have a lot of common sense and they're very vocal.
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It's nothing that they can't come to me and like
talk about. But it has never been like a combative
thing like hey, you can't be on the Instagram or
social media or anything like that. It's just like this
is what it is.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, they just like respect it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Obviously they're aware that, you know, their parents are very
public figures. So do they look at it as a
way of you protecting them?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, this has just always been your life. This is
like their norm. If this was just to happen today
or tomorrow, then it would be at normal. But this
is like their day to day. So it's not like
they're like super spoiled running around here like give me money,
give me money. It's like they've always been around money,
both of them. They've always had things. So it's even
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funny because King Hill ask me. He's like, Mom, can
you send me some money? And I'm like, yeah, how
much you need? King like I don't care. He's keep
ever playing it for me. So I need to get
something in Roe Books and I'm like, okay, King, Like
how much is He's like, I just need you to
send me two dollars? No, it was three dollars. I
need you to send me three dollars. Now, like three
dollars King, I'm like okay, So I sent ten and
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then I get another like ing and he sent me
seven dollars back.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
No, why God for donna you give me ten?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I give me nine back.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Now I'm going right because it's like a cheat. It's
a tree.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
When my dad used to give me more than I
asked for, I'm like, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah. Then I'm like, is this a trick question? Do
you really need ten? You're just trying to be easy
because you know I'm gonna send more. No, But that's
that's what they don't. They don't like ask for too much.
And I'm happy for that, but I feel like most
of the times when money or tangible things come about
is when you can't give them the proper attention that
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they need. And Benezolda gets a boy and a girl
that are totally different, so it's like the attention I
have to give. Dream is totally different from King, but
the love is still there. They love is equal.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Are they are they super close?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah? They are King? Oh my goodness. They're so funny
because I'm an only child. So when they get the
bicker in and Steven, I'm just like, this is great.
This is all I ever wanted growing up was say
hear this right?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, I'm one of four and the house is
never quiet, so it's like never quiet, and I'm moving
out soon, closer to the city. And I just told
my youngest sister because I'm the oldest. And then my
two sisters are twenty and nineteen, but they they they're
at college, so they're leaving for college soon. And then
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my youngest sister is fifteen, and I just told her
that I'm moving out in the fall, and she was like,
no way, Like, you're gonna leave me. I'm gonna be
in this house all alone. She was like, who am
I going to go to pilates with?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What is what is going on?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, that's sweet. This is She's gonna build fee so
much character. Why you guys are going Oh, I know,
but the thing is, I feel like you're gonna miss
them the most, ohcause you're.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Like, I'm gonna miss them so much.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I just I felt my whole life that I've always
had to be home to kind of just protect my
siblings and just always be around if my mom ever
needed anything. So it was always that like sense of Okay,
I'm home, things are okay if they need to ride.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I was just always there.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And you know, when your career brings you to this
point where the commuting's too much, or you know you
have to make that change, that move, and that change
for yourself, it's a weird feeling because I'm like, Okay,
I could still stick it out and stay home and
run myself dry every day and be exhausted every day,
or I could make my life a little easier. And
(14:50):
I don't think I've ever really done that for myself.
And now I'm gonna do that, and I think it's
just like a weird feeling.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's gonna be so, it's gonna be so creat you're
gonna you're gonna open up the key to your door.
It might be stuff in it, it might be an air mattress.
Who knows, because we all got to start off with
an air mattress.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm just saying, Oh, literally, I'm gonna have like my
TV and my air mattress on my yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Like and it's like you want to come up like
and you look at that and you get motivated. You're like, yeah,
I'm gonna stack my money and and go out and
do my thing. But it's gonna be good for you.
It's healthy. And I'm just glad and I'm just glad
for you that it wasn't a thing towards though you
were pushed out because a lot of times in the
(15:36):
and well, i'm not gonna say a lot of times
for me. Once you get to a certain age, it's
like you gotta go figure it out, get out of
my house, you know. So it's like it's two different things.
So blessings to you that you get to say and
you know what I mean, and grat and gracefully leave,
you know, like that is a blessing. And then you
just just can come visit you.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
That's what I saw, that you could come and spend
a weekend with me.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It'll be I was like, I'll be right by the city,
we could have a girl's day, it'll be awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's cool me that you're so sweet me too. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Have your children ever asked about your career? Are they
ever at this point where they ask about your career
and what you did growing up and how you kind
of got to this point? Even King asking his dad like, oh, Daddy, like,
how did you make it to this point? Because I
grew up on it when I was really little too,
like just being in the reality TV space. And it's
(16:32):
weird because now I like have started to ask my
parents like, oh, did you actually have a conversation with
us before going on reality TV?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Like did we ever say it was okay?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yet?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Roll the cameras, Like did you ever ask us if
this if this was okay? And they were like, well,
you guys were so little at the time that it
was kind of like every little girl's dream. You were
so into dance and modeling that you loved the cameras around.
And I was like, Okay, I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That's why I'm so protective over dream and the cameras
and stuff. I'll like let her do small things like
the Nicki Minaj's challenge because she killed fake I don't
know if you see anybody's on my page, just like
a glimpse because I don't want to have her feel like, Okay,
I can't do it at all, like with my mom.
(17:27):
So I'll do like little cute videos, a little TikTok
video or something like that, because I feel like if
I expose her too early, then it's going to discarage her.
And I just want to protect her energy so when
she do go out, she can have the leisure to
do whatever she want to do. So I'm not going
to say hey, because Dream does music, she does by
(17:48):
let hip hop gymnastics. Like I'm like, you're not tired,
and she's not.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You know that was like me and you were like
my mom my mom put me in everything, and that's
what also like keeps us going. And then you know,
eventually she's gonna find what she really loves, yeah, and
then she's going to pursue that like she's never pursued
anything before.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And that was like me.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I fell in love with tumbling and gymnastics and cheer
so I like settled on competitive cheerleading because it was
kind of a mixture. It was dance and gymnastics, so
I liked the both and I found something that kind
of gave me that happy medium, and that's what I
pursued all throughout, like all throughout high school pretty much.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
And then when I went to college.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, my career started picking up and I wanted
to just be a normal college kid. But but yeah, no,
it was it was definitely an experience. And I mean,
I feel like as parents, you know, my parents, you
you try to do the best that you can to
protect your children from the outside world, honestly, because the
outside world is where things get harsh and people get
(19:01):
mean and the comments could be overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
So you know, Dream is.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So sweet and innocent and she's still so pure that like,
and same with King. You know, they're just at an
age where and this is where it gets difficult too,
because the generational growth that has just been happening over
the past years.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Is so scary. Kids grow up so fast, they get
exposed to so many things so early now.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I got it into the bubble. I got it
in the bubble, the bubble and good bubble too.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, you know, you have to because it's so scary.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's very scary. They're very, very very kid like, even
kitty like kitty like because I was like, when I
was not even really Dream I would say my dream
is intellectually uh mature for sure. KINGI is like still
like my I don't know. To me, I don't know
if he's put on the front, but to me, he's
(20:02):
still like a baby. I'm like, you can't do that, King,
I want you to do it. No, you do it.
Dreams Still I'm like, and you can do that, you
can do this, and I just still want me to
do it. But they're just still baby like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, they'll do it when they're by themselves, but when
you're around, they're like, mommy.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Please, right, I'm on to them the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's like you're trying to protect them, and I think,
you know, honestly, my youngest sister, she because when all
the legal stuff went on with my family and when
we were going through a lot of stuff just publicly.
She she was six, but then as she got older,
it was also just mean kids in school saying things
(20:46):
to her like oh, your parents are in jail, or
like you know, little things here and there that Once
she got a phone, you know, then she's exposed to
the comments and things on social media.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
So even though we did not.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Tell her at six years old, that her parents that
you know, mommy and daddy are going to be going
to jail. We never said that. We said that they
were going to camp and they have to go for work,
and we always made that narrative to her. But you
know now and it's so weird and you get like
chills when she says this to us. She always knew
(21:24):
where they were going, she said, she goes. I always
knew where they were going, and I just never wanted
you guys to, you know, worry that like I wasn't okay,
but like I always knew, and she knew because of
the outside world and because of other people, not because
of your inner circle.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And that's where it gets. That's where so and.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
This is I'm glad that we're having this conversation because
it's given me a really good insight just with my
with my personal life and my children. That's why I
can and dream. They know everything, and I'm very vocal.
I'll tell them like, hey, this is what this is.
Or king those I used to be a dancer. I
(22:07):
told him, you know what I mean and what it was,
but I did it in a joking. You're like flowers,
this is the day before you King He's just silight.
He's like what, I'm like, yeah, King, this is like
way before you. But I'm very vocal with them with
my sobriety. They even make jokes like to me and
stuff like that. Like I was like, you know, am
(22:28):
I to be doing my my Uh? This was when
I was turning two years sober and Dream was like,
well I think CHECKI said, well, I'm seven years sober.
Like they just say little funny things because they when
they would see like the balloons and stuff, They're like,
what is this something like this is my sobriety and
because mommy doesn't drink alcohol and things like that, and
(22:49):
King's like, I'll never drink alcohol. So we just have
like these these real life conversations and it feels good
because at the end of the day, these are my children.
I gotta be real them because I would want somebody
to be real me because if I'm real with them,
they'll always know how I'm coming regardless, you know. And
I feel like it with saying certain things, it's always
(23:10):
about the timy and the tone. Like if I if
I explain something to you in a sweet, calm, gentle tone,
you understand, you know, have a which way or whatever
it is that I'm talking about, Like you, what is
it dissect dissected way better than any any other way.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's probably I think even you know, from a child's perspective,
and you know, I obviously don't have children yet, but
I see the way you know, how you're speaking, how
you're so honest with your kids, and that is that's
like my mom. As much as she was like a
parent and obviously a parent to us, she was always
so honest with us and always put us in a
(23:56):
direction where it was like, okay, girls, do the because
I want you to be better than mommy, and I
don't want you to make the same mistakes that mommy did,
so let's move in this direction.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And I think when you're honest with your children and.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Really just like they see that vulnerability in you and
they just they feel it ten times more so, like
King saying, Mommy, I'm never gonna drink. He probably could
see that drinking hurt you in the past, so he's like,
I would never want to do that, you know, just
little things that they pick up on, and it's like,
(24:30):
it's really beautiful that you're so honest with your kids
because they're.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Going to appreciate that one day.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So You're starring in a new film named A Pardon
Me coming out August fifteenth, based on a real life
story of Bevelyn Williams.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Tell me about this a Christian based movie.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And when I met Bevelyn, I just felt compelled by
her story. I love the fact that she was just
so open and honest and even wanting to share this
with the world and being so vulnerable with the content
of the film because it will and I know this too,
(25:10):
it was going to definitely cause a lot of controversy
and uproar, and I'm cool with that. That's good because
I feel like in this world, everybody has their own
opinions and beliefs and morals, and a lot of times
people don't really talk about how they really feel. And
that's what we need in it's life. We need more
leaders or people to at least stand up and speak
(25:32):
on how they truly feel.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But when I got there, it was well, this movie
is based on The Face Act, right, which is just
a really compelling story.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, yes, and I am so. I got like a
little like a few people that was like, oh, I'm
on following you because of the movie and I was like, okay,
unfollowing me, and then I thought it was kind of
funny because at the very end of the day, this
is my very first lead role as an actress. Like,
this is my very first lead role, so.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
First time you did anything scripted like this.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Now I've done stripped before, but this is my first
lead role. So I am Beverly in the movie.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's amazing. Congratulations, Yeah, yep, yep, yep. How was it filming?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It was? It was awesome. It was good because Bevlin
was there and I was able to really talk to
her and tap in and really get to learn her
more just from reading the script or seeing things on
the TV about her or going to YouTube. It's just
a total It's just totally different, and it kind of
reminded me of myself because people have these perceptions of me,
(26:39):
but then when you meet me, you're like, oh, wait,
it kind of could you kind of I like you
And I'm like, way, I like you too. We'll be
doing it. Yeah. So that's how That's how it was
with her. But it was times when I was on
the movie set and I'm like, I'm getting in my
head because I want to nail it so bad because
it's not like I could just go and just be
(26:59):
myself or make up the character as I go along.
It's like I'm trying to tap in to a different person.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's really but I what I must.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Say, I did a really good job. I can't wait
to see it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm sure you killed it. I'm so excited to watch you.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I can't wait for this to come out.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What impact are you hoping this film makes on people's lives?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I hope that this impact truly opens their eyes to
Angela White, that a woman can come from being a
scripper and from the drama and from this and this
and change her life and really follow her dreams and
step outside of the box to empower the next person,
because who else could play Beth and like Williams of
(27:48):
it and Angelo White, you know. So it's like it's
all these different steps because we were really hard on
ourselves and sometimes we can't forget and forgive to even
ourselves and forget and forgives, so you could give yourself
grace to move on. A lot of people get stuck
in the past or stuck in their own waists and
even their thoughts will hinder them even before they go
(28:11):
out and try to do something different. So I'm hoping
that when people see this they'd be like, Wow, let
me go pick up my Bible and get right with
the lure. Because the way that Angelo White is winning
right now, something has to give.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So you were also on the second season of Special Forces.
What was that experience like for you?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Okay, So first off I thought, wait, can before you start,
can I give you a little secret?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I was just on it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh my goodness, what did your film? Was it cold
or hot?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
We were hot? Thank god?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh I was freezing. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You were in Wales, right, We were in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It was freezing. It was freezing cold. That one challenge,
I couldn't walk down that that that damn with that
with the water underneath. I don't know about this. I'm like,
and that's so embarrassing. Imagine my harness popping and I'm
just no, no, no, that's embarrassing. I'm not gonna go
out like that and be embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Did you ever actually feel like you were gonna die?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I couldn't do what I got over the ledge I
looked down and I just was like, I can't go out.
I cannot go out like this. I was like, I
can't do that. I can't do it. I gotta go.
They're like, what if you come back on and you
gotta go? Listen, Like they couldn't get they should at
(29:50):
least give like people two tries or like two skips
or something that I felt like it was like no skips.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Well that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
They did care if you failed the challenge, but you
had to attempt it, which was I think the most
nerve wracking thing of it all that they.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Just sent me home. It was like bye bye, Miss White.
I was like, bye, did you feel did you feel
kind of crazy when you came back? Even though it was, uh,
it's not scripted, but even even even though you know
it's not real, but it but it is real, meaning
(30:31):
like you can't go home like that's that's the real
part about it. No why by it's no phone, no chapstick,
no face cream, none of your personal things. But when you.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Shower, the shower and toilet situation was horrible and it
was you know, I feel like people really don't understand
that this was the this was the I think probably
you two hardest thing of my life.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It was crazy mine's it was a scary. Did you
see like the mountains that we was riding with those
trucks and the guy would just be flying. I was
having heart attacks every time we got in those trucks.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And then how talented the actual camera crew was.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Oh yeah there, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
God, climbing on the mountains doing everything that we were doing.
I'm like, okay, we think that we have to be fit,
but no, you you people are also carrying these cameras
like it was wild.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
But do you feel like it was the hardest thing
you've ever done?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Ah? Not the hardest, No, not the hardest thing really.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Oh my god, I was I thought I cried almost
every day.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't the It wasn't the
hardest thing. It was just you know, you just didn't
know what was going on, Like you didn't know if
they was gonna wake you up, it about your sleep,
if what time you were we was going to eat.
That was my biggest thing. I love some food. I'm like, hey,
there's some food.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Out of all the DS's, who did you connect with
the most.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Oh my goodness, what.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Was so rudy? There was Rudy, Q, Foxy, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Think it was Q towards it was Q after. But
when I was in there, none of them, None of
them because you know, they stay in character like they're
not there to be your friend.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
No, oh my god, it was you. No right, no Q.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I have to say Q and Rudy and even they
pushed me the most. They were screaming in my face
the whole time.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I was like, oh my.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
God, did they do the whole bag over the face thing?
Uh huh yeah, I heard my ded doing it. I
would get them. My knee was right the whole time.
I was like, They're like, we don't care about your day.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It was real.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It was well, I have to I definitely need to
tune in now. This is this is good. I told people.
I was like, yeah, I'm especially for it because it
was like when we watched two episodes and you were gone,
I was like, I had to go. It was too hard.
It was too it was too difficult for me.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You've also done incredible work with Katerina's Club. For those
who may not know, what is the mission behind this organization.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
To feed children to feed children, to go out and
be a part of the community. Bruto a part of
what Bruto is. He feeds five thousand children today.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
As his trucks at the kitchen. I love going to
the kitchen. I've actually cooked with him too, Like it
is actually really good food. It's not like it's.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Like pasta, real chicken, real vegetables and cakes, pastries, So
it's really good food and healthy food too at that
because it's one thing to feed the children, but are
you really feeding them?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Like what are you feeding? What are you given to them?
Because the sandwich is not going to.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Cut it, no, for sure. So what kind of work
have you been able to do with this nonprofit?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just simply just give back and just be apart. That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
What's next for you? Are there any projects that you
can share or want to work on in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yes, I uh, I want to be the next Catwoman.
I'm working on it.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
They're they're like they're read they're like reinventing these old,
these superhero movies.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
So go for it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I would I would love to be Catwoman. You've got
to lose a few.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Pounds in a new cat move in Marvel film.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I already got the nails. I actually lived with
four cats, so hey, I'm not too far off.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Thank you well, Angela White, thank you so much for
coming on Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thank you. I love that name too. I love the
name thank.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
You because I just feel like, you know, life can
be so casually chaotic, you go through the motions, but
it's also constant chaos twenty like, just.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Come on, just walk through the fire with me. You
get to the other side.
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