July 24, 2023 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema comming to you from the
home office in Austin, Texas, where we wanted to dive
into a very interesting topic today. There was an article
written about this woman that had dated a celebrity and
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she kind of went into the pros and cons, the
pluses and minuses about dating this celebrity. And also coming
off the Jony Hill's story where his ex kind of
came out on Instagram and really went after Jony Hill,
Laura and I just started talking about what's it like
dating a celebrity and can we chase anybody down who's
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dated a celebrity? So we have a couple guests coming
up we're going to talk to about this subject. But
it's also something that well, Elzina and I know a
little something about.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I was going to say, that's what's so funny that
you're like, when did to chase the people down? I'm like,
I'm right in front of you, man, when I dated you,
you were a little famous. You know it might still
be so yeah, I went through that myself, But who
did you chase down? The book for today.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Coming up our good friend Evanna Firestone, who obviously fell
in love with dated, then married and had children with
Andrew Firestone.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
One of the best bachelor's ever, one of the.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Best bachelors ever. Great man obviously comes from a very
famous family and was a popular figure when they But
the thing about Evanna, it's not just about Andrew. There
are other famous people life.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Because she was a model and an actress herself.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Exactly, So there was a life before Andrew. So she
is going to give a great perspective. And then someone
that I just want to embarrass and really out on
this program is Ben Higgins. So his wife Jessica Clark
is coming on.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So what was the story of the article? Does she
reveal who the celebrity was?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
First of all, no, And that was part of reading
the article was like, Okay, who is this? Who is this?
So she never reveals who the celebrity is. Seems like
a very big celebrity. But he happened to be in
her town working. She slid into the DMS, he reached
back out quickly. She was very proactive about trying to
move it out of DMS and meet for coffee. The
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coffee led to a date they spent an amazing evening together.
It sounds like it didn't get very romantic or sexual,
if you're wondering if it did. She didn't divulge that fact.
But she had this amazing connection in this chemistry. But
what was interesting about the takeaway was she knew that
was probably it, and that's what was best. They didn't
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pursue a relationship. She knew there would probably be nothing
beyond that. And there's that old thing about never meet
your heroes. Never, I guess date your heroes in this perspective,
But interesting how she thought this as good as it's
going to get, I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, okay, I'm gonna come in with a little bit
of skepticism. I think it's pretty easy to have a
good first date. Here's why. I think, if you're a
person who can carry on a conversation, a first date
is just like you know, it's the best an interview, right,
the best of us. Yeah, it's an interview for a job.
You're putting your best foot forward, you're hopefully socializing. I mean,
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I know some pretty bad first dates gonna happen, but
I think it's very possible to have a good first
date I would deal with Sometimes when I was dating,
they like a guy would follow up with me and say,
I had a great time. I'd like to take you
out again. And then I'd have to say, look, I
had a nice time, but I just don't feel it,
and they're confused, and then you have to explain it,
and the truth is, well, I'm able to carry on
a conversation. We did carry on a conversation, but I
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actually don't think there's more here. So I kind of
wonder was the first date that amazing or was it
just you know, they had a good talk. Probably the
celebrity is a charismatic person. Probably she feels like she
knows this celebrity because she's a fan, and but really
there there wasn't anything more there.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You don't get his perspective clearly true. And what I
find interesting is, you're right, this guy is alone on
the road. He's lonely. Clearly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think it's semed like he was a stand up comedian.
Because she went I think, to his to a show.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
You're right and what I you know, And of course
she saw the adulation and she sat there on the
front row of this performance and then they went out,
so obviously a charismatic, funny comedian and spent time with him.
Would there have been more? Would this person have wanted more?
He was just on the road. He's moving to the
laugh factory where the chuckle.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Hut's really going to have to put in the effort.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes, is he going to come back to Wisconsin or
wherever you are to date again? Or we all just
took it as this one great night and is that
really dating a celebrity?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, there's another two things in my takeaway here. One,
I like that she DMed and I do think if
you're a celebrity, look, even if you might come across
someone on Instagram who you're interested in, you can't be
dming everybody you come across weird, you come across creepy.
Then people start telling that story, Oh he dms all
these people or she does, so she reached out. I
think that was a solid safe thing to do. And
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then two, though she did tell the story. Now she
didn't name who it was, right, but.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Gosh, but it wouldn't take a lot for a journalist
to track this down, probably knowing you could find out
where she lives, because this woman works in kind of
inn entertainment in a way. She was a publicist, Yeah, publicist,
so it wouldn't be hard to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Probably, So this is a big risk for celebrities in
the social media era. I think about not too long ago,
a few months ago, Matthew Perry, somebody was messaging with
him on the dating app Riah, which is supposed to
be this elite dating app private for people.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The velvet rope is up and.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You're not supposed to do this. It's part of the
rules of the app. But what real power does the
app have to tell people not to. The woman like
screenshot and screen recorded a FaceTime session they had and
posted it on the internet and said, oh, I had
this really weird FaceTime date with Matthew Perry Chandler from friends,
and I felt so bad for him and luckily publicly.
People in the comments said, this is not cool that
you did this. I think she was trying to get clout,
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get famous from it. But that's the problem. You're living
in an era where everybody can go post a quick
TikTok telling the story about you.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I felt the same thing after Jonah Hill, the guy
just had a baby with somebody else and an ex
girlfriend then goes public with all his insecurities and stuff
from Instagram and his messages. No, like, it's just I
hate that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So there's so many sides to get into on all
of it. But let's turn the tables on you. Because
I'm in my head, I'm thinking about a lot from
our relationship actually, Like for example, I did DM you,
like we had kind of had a flirty conversation, but
I actually made sure to DM you because I thought,
you know, I don't know if a I'm a big
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open the door and if somebody walks through, then that's great,
and if not, just keep going down the hallway. You
didn't do anything to hurt yourself. You're fine. It's not
a real rejection. So I'm a big advocate of making
a move. But also I do remember thinking, well, I
don't know if he like, maybe it'll make him feel
better if I reach out, because I don't know if
he feels weird, Like did you feel weird when you
started dating? Of how am I going to pursue people?
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Will they tell stories about me? Did you feel that
nervousness or vulnerability?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
For sure? Yeah, insecurity and especially I think the added
pressure of you're hosting the biggest dating show in the world.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What was that added pressure people would judge your data.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, this guy is now looking
for love. The jokes kind of right themselves. It's kind
of like when I got divorced. The late night shows
had you know, a heyday for a couple of days
of the jokes of oh, the guy who is all
about love and creating love and finding love is divorced,
so sucks it love. Yeah, there is this added pressure
of when you go on a date and you have
a little bit of fame and you have a little
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bit of money and you definitely are doing a show
about love. There's that little added pressure.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Did you ever have people sign NDA's you never have?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, No, God, No, some people do. I know some
people do. And by the way I understand it, it's
it sounds so weird and if that stuff gets out,
you're like, what a weirdo? But or people I know
other big celebrity and I'm talking big celebrities on different
levels that make sure everybody signs in das. They confiscate
phones before you come into the room they're in, so
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you can just have you have to be present and
it doesn't mean you can't go tell the story at
the bar later, but you're not going to have video
and audio.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Proof right And by the way, an NDA is a
non disclosure agreement. If anyone doesn't know means you'd sign
it and you'd promise that you're not going to go
tell stories about people and all that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
How unromantic to have to do that, and it sucks
that people have to think like that, But I get it.
I get how you have to think like that because
you worry about stories, even on a much lesser scale,
the story. You know, there's websites that are who's who's
a good tipper, who's not a good tipper at a restaurant?
So people do love a good story.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And I well, okay, so I'm going back to you
dating now. So you start dating? Did how did you
meet people in the beginning? And were you worried that
people would obviously want to date you just because just
to have that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Story, I felt like I had to be very careful.
And I'm also very pretty conservative in my life. Like
obviously what I do is out loud and it's in
front of millions of people publicly, but my private life,
I really enjoyed, Like when I was married, nobody cares
because it's not sexy at all when you're married and
have kids. When you're single, people are going to take pictures,
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follow and all that stuff. So I all of a
sudden was living this different life and I realized there
was a microscope on me. If I went to a
certain place, someone was going to snap a photo. So
and I hated thinking like that, like who's staring at us?
Who's taking a picture? It was a little bit harder
to relax.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Did you go on any dates where someone obviously had
just gone on the date with you because you were
the host of The Bachelor?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
No, but I got well, I don't know, because that's
the other thing. The other thing is you don't know
I went on you know. So how I ended up
meeting people was through friends, and I was I started
being better about just getting out, like I'll go on
a trip with friends and I'm just to go out
and talk to people. Because the great thing about the
show is it's that icebreaker. People will it's a conversation starter,
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so you can at least get there. But then there's
that line of oh, they are just an uber fan
of the show. Don't take advantage of this as opposed
to I just have a great connection with this person.
What is the difference between you love the show and
you actually may be interested in me? And so I
was a little self conscious of that, but I thought
the flip side was weird is when clearly somebody probably
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knew what you did for a living, but they ignored it.
I went on a date. I was set up on
this blind date. We were in Hollywood Brentwood, where we
went to dinner, and we sat there at dinner and
not once. First of all, she didn't ask me a question.
That's a red flag.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Oh that's a red flag. Well but okay, hold on,
let me ask you. That is my red flag. Always
in any relationship, whether it's friendship, work, romantic, if somebody
doesn't ask me one question back, I'm like, well, this
isn't a two way street. I'm exhausted, I'm drained, man,
I can't keep hopping you up and you're not giving
me anything in return.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And it wasn't even the depth.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But do you think that's them? Is there something where
people don't ask you any questions back because they don't
want you to.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
They're worried you're.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Going to think, okay, listen, idiot, you don't know what
I do for a living. But also do you want
it to be normal? And someone say, hey, so what
do you do?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Here's what I So. What this person did was they
took the tact of I'm not going to ask any
questions about what you do. And that's weird to me.
If I'm on a date and I'm going to just
sit sit in the woman's side of the chair, aren't
you interested in what this guy does? What do you
do for a living? What do you do every day?
Your hot? Whatever? Like? She never asked one question about
my life, So I thought, okay, that's odd. Wouldn't you
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want to know that on a date. Then after we ate,
before dessert comes, I love dessert. The couple next to
us that were sitting very close leaned over said hey,
we didn't want to bother you while you were eating.
We just want to say we love all the shows
you do, big fans, thanks for everything, And I said, oh, man,
appreciate it. I turned back to the woman I was
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on a date with. I said, I apologize, I'm sorry
she is that's fine, and never mentioned or asked anything
after that. So it was just it was the elephant
in the room. And I get that you didn't want
to talk about it because, oh, you probably get asked
about this all the time. What I appreciated was you
don't have to ask about the show, ask about what
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I do like. Do you like what you do? Do
you like hosting? What do you like about it? What
is it about the travel or you know, there's ways
to talk about it without being a quote unquote fan.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Without it being well, tell me, okay, so tell me
the truth about last season and that kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Thing, right exactly to get to know the person, which
is what I would want to do on a date. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Do you remember much about the conversation on our first date?
Did I ask? I don't remember this stuff? I asked you?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You just hammered me. It was like a job interview.
You went full Barbara Walters. And we sat there at
the SOHO House in Malibu and I just answered questions
for like an hour and a half, and then you
had the goal to later say you talk too much
about yourself on that first day fly.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
You didn't ask me back about myself? No, but do
you remember what I what kind of stuff I asked
you about.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was pretty basic because you and I, although you
would talk to me. The funny thing about us, so
the interesting thing was we didn't talk much about the
business because you and I had already maybe the thing
our professional relationship had covered business stuff. You knew about
The Bachelor and the people on it, so I knew
you knew all that, so we could just talk about family,
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growing up, college, like that kind of stuff. So I
think our our stuff got deeper quicker because we could
negate that first step.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Which probably speaks to what a private life you lived.
Because I didn't feel like I, as much as i'd
been interviewing you for three years, I didn't feel like
I knew very much about your personal life.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I was careful about trying to control that even when
you and I dated. We dated for six months before
we went public, because we knew that would be a thing. Again,
that's just one little step, but it's not a huge thing.
But it's just one little thing that you and I
wanted to think about before we went public because I
knew it would affect you and your business.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, it's interesting as much as we're saying somebody could
photography or whatever, I was worried when we started dating.
I didn't want yeah you're I didn't want dating you
to affect my career, and it was kind of this
difficult thing of I knew it would, and so I
really knew that I wanted it to be serious before
we became public with it. But I was always pretty
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on edge that someone would take a picture of us
or something. And so it's just interesting because celebrities might
say like, oh, you can't, I can't go anywhere, I
can't do anything. I think to a certain extent, it's
kind of about where you are. Like you lived in
sort of the suburbs in La and I don't know
people just didn't. You kind of knew people locally, they
were your friends. They weren't really in the business, and
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you didn't really have tourists around, so people weren't really
We could go to dinner and I was snapping a
picture of us. Now, it did get to the point
I started to get nervous. I think the turning point
for me, and I don't think i've told this story before,
was we were in Cabo in Mexico, and we were
at kind of a quiet party with a lot of
our friends who aren't in the business, and all our
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friends knew we were dating, but we hadn't gone public yet.
And then I looked up and coming in through the
door were like three women from the most recent season
of The Bachelor. I don't maybe I don't remember who
it was, but I remember. I think Christina Shulman was
one of us.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I remember, that's the only one. I remember too.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And they all obviously know me because I'd been interviewing
them and I know them. And I looked up and
I saw her, and so quickly my brain went, there's
no way to explain why I'm here, and so I
ran out of the room into a closet and for
the for like the next hour of the party, I
was in the closet and our friend Alyssa brought me
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some snacks. She's like, what are you doing here? But
I didn't want I wasn't ready. I wanted our relationship
to come out on our term, yeah, And I just
was like, I want to know how to explain this,
and this is how it would get out. And that
was really funny. I don't think I've even ever told
Christina Shulman that, no, no, she's a sweet.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And by the way. She didn't do anything. They just
showed up at a party where I remember, and I
had to find you in the closet. I'm like, oh god,
this is still pretty early days. And I'm like, is
she mad at me? What did I do? And You're like, no,
I just didn't want this to come out because obviously
with that information just slipping out, Yeah, that's not how
we wanted to be broadcasted to the world. So there
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are some interesting layers to this, and it's kind of
fascinating in this article that came out from this woman
who went on a date and then the Jonah Hill
disaster and everything that has happened subsequently. I thought, what
a great topic today, And I just happened to have
two good friends who will be so good at leaning
into this. So when we come back, I'm going to
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talk to Youvanna Firestone, and then Ben Higgins's wife Jessica
Clark on the other side joining me. Now my good
friend Evonna Firestone, wife to former bachelor Andrew Firestone. Three
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beautiful kids fifteen years eighteen with Andrew total. There should
be some sort of award Mother Teresa Award for being
with Andrew Firestone for eighteen years.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Full disclosure, Lauren LZ and I are dear friends with
the Firestones. Love you guys, and so I appreciate you
doing this, and it's kind of a weird topic, but
I felt like, if I'm going to talk about dating
a celebrity and really have someone speak the truth, I
need someone I know really well and somebody whose history
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I know a little bit too. And so that's why
I came to you. The reason I wanted to talk
to you was a obviously, there's the Andrew Firestone of
it all and entering into not only just the Bachelor world,
Firestone world and all that, but you and hopefully I'm
not talking out of school. You have dated other celebrities.
You were a model and actress in your own right,
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very successful before Andrew, and so you had a dating
life before Andrew. As much as he would like to
forget about that, you did. And you dated a few celebrities,
one of them one of the biggest celebrities in the world.
We won't out anybody, but you have very specific knowledge
of this topic we're talking about today.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I in fact do, But that being said, it was
an industry that I was in It wasn't something that
I was seeking out, you know, to date, it's just
so happened. You know, you're kind of dating people that
are in your industry, are around, So it wasn't you know,
that big of a deal back in the day. And
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a couple of these people, they weren't such a big
deal back then. Right now, it's a different story.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh, good point. I guess I didn't think about that.
I guess really neither one of them was a huge deal.
They both wanted to be, but they weren't. Y'all were
all kind of aspiring at the same time.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's a good point and probably an important thing of
when you come up together and you are on equal footing,
it probably makes it a little easier.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Absolutely, And I wouldn't say that it was equal footing
back in that day. I was definitely trying and you know,
working and trying my hardest to succeed.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
What were the pitfalls that you ran into in dating
celebrities and not even getting into the andrew of it
all yet, but just what were some of the things
you thought, oh, this is kind of a pain in
the butt.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Well, I think that if you're dating someone that is
so driven, and I put you in this category. I mean,
you've worked hard your entire career. If somebody is that driven,
they're only going to have a certain amount of time
to dedicate to you. And that doesn't necessarily mean that
they don't like you or you're not you know, good
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enough or whatever. Their number one is their career interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's very ith and that goes for not just celebrities
like little, just everybody in general. If you are dating
a very high functioning individual man or woman, you're not
always going to be top of the list.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
No, absolutely not. And I if you can understand that
it's not you because I know, I know for a fact,
like I'm very comfortable in my own skin, but this
person is crazy driven. So you just have to realize
what you want out of a relationship. The time sped
together was so crazy fun, yeah, but then gone.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, well, I guess it's interesting too, especially when
you're at that level, when you're in the grind mode.
Maybe if you got them to that a list level
and you were dating them, then it may have been
there may have been other pitfalls, but at least you
have control of your schedule and your calendar. When you
were in that grind mode and you were trying to
really make that next big step to that elite level.
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Yet there is no there is no room, and when
people call you go, and if there's an opportunity, you go.
And it doesn't mean I don't love you or don't
care about you, but I mean LZ and I ran
into that same thing. And when we started dating, I
forced a situation for us to kind of go on
a trip together because I told her, I'm about to
leave for the next eight to ten weeks. We're not
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going to be together when we get back. You're going
to go off and date twenty other people. And I
know you're a very sought after woman, So I had
to force the situation a little earlier than I normally would. Exactly, Yeah,
what were the what were the good parts of it?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
So, I mean, you get to go to cool events.
Dates are very very curated. You know, they'll they have
someone that can plan that for you, right like you know,
it's fun and exciting, and you're always in the fun
part that you know, whatever's happening, you're invited to the
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type of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
The velvet rope is always coming down, you always get
the parking spot. You always get in the club, you
always get the table service, you get in the good restaurant,
you get the reservation, you get the show tickets. Yeah,
a lot of those hurdles come down quickly, and that's
a nice that's a nice ride, and it makes that person. Well,
I'll ask you, does it make the person you're dating
a little bit more attractive?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Absolutely? I mean for me, that's interesting, Like I want
to be with someone that is desired, you know, that's
just what it is, right, Like, that's exciting, so of course,
but then you have the other stuff and you just
need to see what works for you.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
When you and Andrew came to be, and it was
after he did The Bachelor, did you know anything about him?
Did you know he was former Bachelor and all that?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Quite honestly, No, I did know his face. I think
i'd seen him on like a tabloid magazine or something
like that in the grocery store. I hadn't invested much
time in knowing who he was exactly. At that time.
I was doing a series and I was gone while
his show was airing. I was gone, So but I
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did recognize his face because I follow pop culture and
stuff like that. I remember seeing him at a party
once but never talking to him.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh before, Oh yeah, because he told me the story
and I'm not talking out of school that Andrew chased
you and became absolutely obsessed with you. The night we
shot it was either the tell all. Yeah, it was
the tell all for Jen Chef's season. He had a
couple hours to kill before he went to the airport,
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went to a bar or a party or something, and
met you, fell head over heels in love with you
that moment, as Andrew tends to do, and then annoyingly,
this is back in the day when you had to
use probably numbers to text people. Texted you five thousand
times in his plane ride from LA to New York,
and so he very much pursued you when you started
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dating him, and you realize everybody's coming up to him saying, hey,
you're the bachelor. You're the bachelor. I feel like I
know you. What was that like for you?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So it wasn't that out of the ordinary, right, just
being in LA and doing all that. What Andrew did
well was always make me feel no matter what, that
I was important and all those things that need to
happen to make a person feel secure. Right, So it
doesn't matter who's coming up and the attention that he's
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giving back because he's a good person and all those things.
But once you know that this person's got you, you're fine.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And now how it's kind of attractive too, right, Like
you know, other girls think he's cute. Oh great, but
I'm the one, right, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm going home with him. That is a huge You
just said something so well there. That is important in
every relationship. And guys, I can't tell you this enough,
and ladies as well, but prioritize your person, make them
feel special in every instance, whether you're at a party,
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whether you are walking into a movie whatever, when you're
in that crowd of people, for that person to know
just that reassuring hand on the show, whatever it is,
that is a huge thing. It really is, and it's
something I will be honest. I was terrible at my
first marriage. I was not good at that when I
was coming up and grinding and I didn't do a
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very good job of that. And I am so much
better about it now. It's such an important thing in
a relationship.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, And I think when it's right, it's right. And
when you want to give someone that sort of attention,
you know, just to make and he could talk to
anyone in the room. I don't care, right, but as
long as I know we're have fun.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Elsie and I have this great thing where I always
say I could just look at her across the room
and you just you give him that look and she'll
give you that smile and you just know. And that's
just that's all you need. That's all you need to
have that connection with Andrew. You know, he had this
thing about him. He was the first bachelor that paid
for his own ring. He paid, he didn't take any money.
(26:48):
Probably dumb of him to do that. If he go back,
I would have told him at least take some money.
But is he was he that guy when you were dating?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
The other was like a week ago and I was
in Santa Barbara with you guys and we were at
this place and Andrews sent your kids to go get
me a hat from this place we were at, and
he just because he's that kind of guy, He's like, oh,
we had a good day today, Hey go get mister
Harrison a hat. And your kids sprinted off and like
got me a hat. And I'm like, it's such an
Andrew thing to do. But he is the consummate gentleman.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
He absolutely is. But yeah, he you know, hard work,
he wants to earn things, and yeah, he won't take
a freebee.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
One of the things I think is always important about
bachelor couples, and I know you guys weren't a bachelor couple,
but I think this goes for every couple. Once you
realize you're established, you're dating, you're married because getting away
and living your life. You guys moved off to Santa Barbara.
You have a very quiet, pretty private life. I know
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you know Andrew's hosting events, you are charing events. So
y'all are unbelievably active in the community. You are very
face forward, but I would argue your private life is
unbelievably private, and you guys protect that, and I think that's.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Huge, absolutely, But I think with the whole Firestone name,
people have ideas of what our life might be, and
I mean, you know it's Instagram life versus reality, right always, yeah,
and how you pitch things, and we're just not those people.
(28:28):
My husband's a very hard working man that's going to
go you know, earnest keep and that whole thing. So
it's funny. Yes we are private, but we're not at
all what people think we are flashy or you know.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You bring up an interesting question and something I've actually
never really talked to you guys about. What would you
say carries more weight? And when I say weight, I
mean something you probably feel like you have to live
up to or deal with more? Is it Bachelor Nation
World or having a Firestone name?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Hands down, the Firestone name. Yeah, I think that is
a hard thing to live up to. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I mean it's something we definitely leaned into on the show.
I mean his family goes back to American Royalty and
Harvey Firestone and so it's something that I know he's
dealt with his whole life. And then when you come
in you have to be a part of It's, you
know a little bit like marrying into the royal family.
A royal name here in America was something that now
you have to carry on.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
There's a lot of pressure on all those kids to
be successful, to be good humans, all the things.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You're right, His dad, Brooks Firestone set that standard, that
entrepreneurial spirit of you will go out and grind, you
will find your way, and like his brother with the brewery,
and Andrew has done amazingly well with his business and
real estate, and so I am so proud to see
those guys. And they could have easily rested on their laurels.
None of them did. Somehow his mom and dad were
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able to put that fire in his belly and with
all the kids, that is a huge attribute. I'm sure
a turn on for you.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Absolutely absolutely, That's what I fell in love.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
With, right, It's what we all fell in love with,
and it's why we fell in love with you, Yvonna.
Thank you for.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Joining me, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
When I thought about doing this show, this episode on
this topic dating celebrities, there was one person I had
to reach out to, and that is jess Clark. That
is Ben Higgins's wife. And everybody knows I'm good friends
with Ben. Everybody knows I love and adore him, but
he's also a mess, and so anytime I get a
(30:52):
chance to also take shots at Ben, I'm all in.
And so I brought in my secret weapon, Jessica Clark,
to talk about this. But I also, honestly, first of all,
thank you for being here, Jessica. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Of course, anytime, like I said anything for you, but I.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Really wanted to talk to you because we have been
in public together as a group and there are two people,
two bachelors, and so I had have on a firestone
on right before you. And Andrew is like, is this
type of person? And Ben so much so that I
actually wanted to introduce Ben and Andrew together, and we did.
We got together and played golf. They are very similar people.
(31:29):
They're very similar bachelors and that they are ridiculously beloved
and that's a wonderful thing. But as this person's wife,
I could see how that could be problematic at times.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I you know, I think the only problem I've ever
found with it is when we first started dating, because
I was so unfamiliar with Bachelor Nation that I didn't
realize what I was getting myself into.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Because he slid into your DMS.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
He did.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He probably saw some hot track picture just by the
way an insane athlete ran track in college. He slid
into your DMS. What were your thoughts when you got
this guy with a blue check mark just slid into
my DMS.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, well, first I have to say he slid into
my DMS after seeing a photo of me and my dad.
So my biggest joke is did he want to marry
me or did he want my dad as a father
in law? That very still out because they love each other.
But when he slid in, I saw the blue Chick
check mark, and obviously he has like a million plus followers,
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and I was like, what in the world who is
this person? Because a little background on me. I was
selling light fixtures to new construction in Nashville, so was
far from this world, and my mom was familiar with
who Bin was. So I kind of took polls from
my family to see if anyone knew this person, and
it was like, well, the only solution is to figure
(32:55):
out how he found you, because we have no idea.
So that was where it all started.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So he stumbled across this picture he DMS you, and
where does it go from there? And how quickly?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So we DM back and forth and there's this immediate connection,
which I can't really explain because it's over kind of
text message and it's like, how can you connect with someone?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
But it was just easy banter.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Then he pulled the old like never check my dms,
give me your number, So I did.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Smart boy. I like that get it off DMS as
fast as.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
You can, exactly exactly. So we're texting back and forth
and this is the most been thing ever.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But he had listened to a talk on generosity and
he wants to know my thoughts on if it was
more generous to give with time or money.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
And at that point, I was making.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Less than minimum wage and I was completely broke, and
I didn't want to come off as selfish, so I
sent him a voice memo and kind of explained myself
of why it was really hard for me to give
with money at the time, and he immediately called me.
We talked for like thirty minutes, and then when he
hung up, he was like, well, well, if anything, I
got a great friend out of this. And I was like, well,
(34:03):
I'm never hearing it from this guy again, Like I
blew it. Yeah, But then we FaceTime that night, and
three weeks later I flew out to Denver.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
That's amazing, And the rest is yea now history, as
y'all bet married and living this wonderful life together. So
one of the things is I said about Andrew Firestone
and Ben Higgins. I had a woman the other day
come up to me and she stops me. We're at
the gym, and she's like, oh my god, Chris, I
have to tell you. And first of all, I don't
know this woman either, but all of a sudden, she
(34:31):
just acted like we knew each other. I have to
tell you how embarrassing this was. I ran into Ben
and Jess at some coffee shop or something like that,
and I was with my husband and I just went
up and started talking to Ben and we talked for
like twenty minutes. Because I mean, it's been and because
so people feel like they know him, people adore him,
and it's it's obviously what you see is what you get.
(34:53):
I will admit he's a wonderful man. But at the
same time, you have to share that part. And so
you entered into what you now know as Bachelor Nation
and you have this beloved figure. How did you navigate
those waters and was it difficult?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I think the strangers or the you know, the people
that watch the show and come up and talk to Ben,
that's never bothered me as much as when I've seen
scenes of the show that bothers me more interesting, just
because like, you know that the people you've dated in
the past have exes and stuff like that. They can
(35:31):
tell you all about it, but you don't have to
see the way that they've looked at them, because like
the way they've looked at them is the way they look.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
At you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, So, like the scenes of the show have bothered
me more than people coming up and thinking they know Ben,
because like you said, with Ben, it's what you see
is what you get, and so it's more like almost
a reassurance that I'm just dating the most pure and
kind and just true person or I'm married to now.
(36:00):
But yeah, it's I think it's more of like that
that's such a respect thing for him, and it means
so much to him because he was the Bachelor so
long ago, so that's never really been an issue. And
I think it also was like he really eased me
into that as we were dating. We went seven months
without a photo of us or really any kind of
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public appearance outside of like our little homes.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So it's slow.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, so I was really eased into that. But no,
it's it's more the scenes from the show that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Did you watch, Like did you go back and watch
the season? And you know he did Bachelor, He was
on Bachelor Winter Games, and so did you go back
and watch these and if so, like, did you stop.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I've never intentionally watched it. It's more been like if
we've been watching the show and there's been a preview
or flashback, or one time we were doing a podcast
together and we were watching like an upcoming Bachelor thing
and there was a flashback of him and like his finale. Yeah,
and it was him in his final two and.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
That like crushed me.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Wow. Yeah, And that was early on in dating too,
But so I've tried to stay away from many of it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, well, especially early on, there's more insecurities. You still
wonder things, and until you really know the person, I
can imagine that would be difficult. That is very interesting,
especially his season was so big and it still gets
you know, even though it was a long time ago,
you still see those I guess you'd call them highlights.
(37:32):
But you're right. I would not want to go back
and watch LZ on a date and saying I love
you or whatever kissing someone else. That would be a
little bit awkward, to say the least.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, it's it is really disconcerting because you don't think
about it till you're in the situation. But I mean,
I've dated other people too, and I can tell Ben
all about it, but he's never seen me interact with them,
or kiss them or look at them deeply in the eye.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You can make of that what we want in our
own minds exactly. That was Jessica didn't enjoy it. She
wasn't into it, no.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Eye contact.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
She hated it.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
She was always pining after me and always thinking about that.
That's funny as you move on with your life and
you guys got married. And I said this to Ivanna,
and it's one consistent thing that I've seen with most
successful couples from the show, and that is you went
off and lived your life. You guys met outside of Hollywood.
(38:33):
You live outside of Hollywood very much. You guys are
in Denver, you're in Indiana. So you lived this very
private life, even with a very public figure. And I
think that's important.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yep, he actually decided not to move to la and
to do with that whole thing because of something that
you said to him. I don't even know if you
remember saying this. He talks about it all the time.
But when he was the bachelor, you pulled him aside
and you were like, make sure that this experience enhance
it your life and doesn't change your life. And I
think he's done a really good job of that and
pursued these things outside of the Bachelor and then has
(39:08):
really used the platform to enhance his life. And you know,
he's still involved obviously is almost famous, and he is
such a beloved figure. But I mean, all thanks to
you that we're able to live the lack that we
have and it's so wonderful and beautiful and it is
so I mean, I keep using this word, but it
is so pure because we don't have all these outside
influences and we're not playing the keeping up with the
(39:29):
Joneses game and we're able to really just have like
our little bubble, which is so nice.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah. I saw this very kind of vulnerable guy in
Ben as he came off the show. And these people
that watch the show of viewers and I understand, you're like, oh,
he signed up for this. It's like they know what
they're getting into. They don't. There's no way you understand.
You're being shot out of a cannon without a net
and you're going one thousand miles an hour and it
(39:57):
is so new. The love, adoration, that you get, especially
when you're someone like Ben, and so I just saw
this world eating him alive. And if he came to Hollywood,
he's not that guy. And so I was hoping he
would take that advice and go elsewhere and live his life.
And he did superbly, as you would expect him to do.
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And I just I'm so happy for you, guys, and
I appreciate you coming on and giving a little insight
not only into Ben, but your life and what it's
been like. And I love you guys to death and
really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, we love you. We're really grateful for you, and
we wouldn't be where we are without you. So thank
you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Jessica, I thank you so much. I'll talk to you
guys soon.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Okay, talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
It is impossible not to love and adore Jessica and Ben,
and my thanks to her for coming on. Jessica Clark
an amazing woman, and Evana Firestone, Andrew's wife as well.
I appreciate their honesty and insight, and just both of
them very good friends of ours as well, and I
always appreciate their love and friendship and support and yours
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as well. Truly love doing this show, talking to you
guys each and every week, several fun episodes and by
the way, I want to tell you so, Lauren and
I have started something new on Fridays. Every Friday, we're
going to open up what we call the playbook, just
a special little episode, little something extra. It might be
a rant, it might be a love it might just
(41:25):
be a crazy thought or something we saw that we
want to talk to you about. So look for that
bonus episode every Friday as well. But thank you for
being with us today. I will talk to you next time.
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Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema comming to you from the
home office in Austin, Texas, where we wanted to dive
into a very interesting topic today. There was an article
written about this woman that had dated a celebrity and
(00:24):
she kind of went into the pros and cons, the
pluses and minuses about dating this celebrity. And also coming
off the Jony Hill's story where his ex kind of
came out on Instagram and really went after Jony Hill,
Laura and I just started talking about what's it like
dating a celebrity and can we chase anybody down who's
(00:44):
dated a celebrity? So we have a couple guests coming
up we're going to talk to about this subject. But
it's also something that well, Elzina and I know a
little something about.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I was going to say, that's what's so funny that
you're like, when did to chase the people down? I'm like,
I'm right in front of you, man, when I dated you,
you were a little famous. You know it might still
be so yeah, I went through that myself, But who
did you chase down? The book for today.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Coming up our good friend Evanna Firestone, who obviously fell
in love with dated, then married and had children with
Andrew Firestone.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
One of the best bachelor's ever, one of the.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Best bachelors ever. Great man obviously comes from a very
famous family and was a popular figure when they But
the thing about Evanna, it's not just about Andrew. There
are other famous people life.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Because she was a model and an actress herself.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Exactly, So there was a life before Andrew. So she
is going to give a great perspective. And then someone
that I just want to embarrass and really out on
this program is Ben Higgins. So his wife Jessica Clark
is coming on.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So what was the story of the article? Does she
reveal who the celebrity was?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
First of all, no, And that was part of reading
the article was like, Okay, who is this? Who is this?
So she never reveals who the celebrity is. Seems like
a very big celebrity. But he happened to be in
her town working. She slid into the DMS, he reached
back out quickly. She was very proactive about trying to
move it out of DMS and meet for coffee. The
(02:14):
coffee led to a date they spent an amazing evening together.
It sounds like it didn't get very romantic or sexual,
if you're wondering if it did. She didn't divulge that fact.
But she had this amazing connection in this chemistry. But
what was interesting about the takeaway was she knew that
was probably it, and that's what was best. They didn't
(02:35):
pursue a relationship. She knew there would probably be nothing
beyond that. And there's that old thing about never meet
your heroes. Never, I guess date your heroes in this perspective,
But interesting how she thought this as good as it's
going to get, I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, okay, I'm gonna come in with a little bit
of skepticism. I think it's pretty easy to have a
good first date. Here's why. I think, if you're a
person who can carry on a conversation, a first date
is just like you know, it's the best an interview, right,
the best of us. Yeah, it's an interview for a job.
You're putting your best foot forward, you're hopefully socializing. I mean,
(03:12):
I know some pretty bad first dates gonna happen, but
I think it's very possible to have a good first
date I would deal with Sometimes when I was dating,
they like a guy would follow up with me and say,
I had a great time. I'd like to take you
out again. And then I'd have to say, look, I
had a nice time, but I just don't feel it,
and they're confused, and then you have to explain it,
and the truth is, well, I'm able to carry on
a conversation. We did carry on a conversation, but I
(03:34):
actually don't think there's more here. So I kind of
wonder was the first date that amazing or was it
just you know, they had a good talk. Probably the
celebrity is a charismatic person. Probably she feels like she
knows this celebrity because she's a fan, and but really
there there wasn't anything more there.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You don't get his perspective clearly true. And what I
find interesting is, you're right, this guy is alone on
the road. He's lonely. Clearly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think it's semed like he was a stand up comedian.
Because she went I think, to his to a show.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
You're right and what I you know, And of course
she saw the adulation and she sat there on the
front row of this performance and then they went out,
so obviously a charismatic, funny comedian and spent time with him.
Would there have been more? Would this person have wanted more?
He was just on the road. He's moving to the
laugh factory where the chuckle.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Hut's really going to have to put in the effort.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes, is he going to come back to Wisconsin or
wherever you are to date again? Or we all just
took it as this one great night and is that
really dating a celebrity?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, there's another two things in my takeaway here. One,
I like that she DMed and I do think if
you're a celebrity, look, even if you might come across
someone on Instagram who you're interested in, you can't be
dming everybody you come across weird, you come across creepy.
Then people start telling that story, Oh he dms all
these people or she does, so she reached out. I
think that was a solid safe thing to do. And
(04:56):
then two, though she did tell the story. Now she
didn't name who it was, right, but.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Gosh, but it wouldn't take a lot for a journalist
to track this down, probably knowing you could find out
where she lives, because this woman works in kind of
inn entertainment in a way. She was a publicist, Yeah, publicist,
so it wouldn't be hard to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Probably, So this is a big risk for celebrities in
the social media era. I think about not too long ago,
a few months ago, Matthew Perry, somebody was messaging with
him on the dating app Riah, which is supposed to
be this elite dating app private for people.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The velvet rope is up and.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You're not supposed to do this. It's part of the
rules of the app. But what real power does the
app have to tell people not to. The woman like
screenshot and screen recorded a FaceTime session they had and
posted it on the internet and said, oh, I had
this really weird FaceTime date with Matthew Perry Chandler from friends,
and I felt so bad for him and luckily publicly.
People in the comments said, this is not cool that
you did this. I think she was trying to get clout,
(05:53):
get famous from it. But that's the problem. You're living
in an era where everybody can go post a quick
TikTok telling the story about you.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I felt the same thing after Jonah Hill, the guy
just had a baby with somebody else and an ex
girlfriend then goes public with all his insecurities and stuff
from Instagram and his messages. No, like, it's just I
hate that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So there's so many sides to get into on all
of it. But let's turn the tables on you. Because
I'm in my head, I'm thinking about a lot from
our relationship actually, Like for example, I did DM you,
like we had kind of had a flirty conversation, but
I actually made sure to DM you because I thought,
you know, I don't know if a I'm a big
(06:36):
open the door and if somebody walks through, then that's great,
and if not, just keep going down the hallway. You
didn't do anything to hurt yourself. You're fine. It's not
a real rejection. So I'm a big advocate of making
a move. But also I do remember thinking, well, I
don't know if he like, maybe it'll make him feel
better if I reach out, because I don't know if
he feels weird, Like did you feel weird when you
started dating? Of how am I going to pursue people?
(06:58):
Will they tell stories about me? Did you feel that
nervousness or vulnerability?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
For sure? Yeah, insecurity and especially I think the added
pressure of you're hosting the biggest dating show in the world.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What was that added pressure people would judge your data.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, this guy is now looking
for love. The jokes kind of right themselves. It's kind
of like when I got divorced. The late night shows
had you know, a heyday for a couple of days
of the jokes of oh, the guy who is all
about love and creating love and finding love is divorced,
so sucks it love. Yeah, there is this added pressure
of when you go on a date and you have
a little bit of fame and you have a little
(07:36):
bit of money and you definitely are doing a show
about love. There's that little added pressure.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Did you ever have people sign NDA's you never have?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, No, God, No, some people do. I know some
people do. And by the way I understand it, it's
it sounds so weird and if that stuff gets out,
you're like, what a weirdo? But or people I know
other big celebrity and I'm talking big celebrities on different
levels that make sure everybody signs in das. They confiscate
phones before you come into the room they're in, so
(08:06):
you can just have you have to be present and
it doesn't mean you can't go tell the story at
the bar later, but you're not going to have video
and audio.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Proof right And by the way, an NDA is a
non disclosure agreement. If anyone doesn't know means you'd sign
it and you'd promise that you're not going to go
tell stories about people and all that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
How unromantic to have to do that, and it sucks
that people have to think like that, But I get it.
I get how you have to think like that because
you worry about stories, even on a much lesser scale,
the story. You know, there's websites that are who's who's
a good tipper, who's not a good tipper at a restaurant?
So people do love a good story.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And I well, okay, so I'm going back to you
dating now. So you start dating? Did how did you
meet people in the beginning? And were you worried that
people would obviously want to date you just because just
to have that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Story, I felt like I had to be very careful.
And I'm also very pretty conservative in my life. Like
obviously what I do is out loud and it's in
front of millions of people publicly, but my private life,
I really enjoyed, Like when I was married, nobody cares
because it's not sexy at all when you're married and
have kids. When you're single, people are going to take pictures,
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follow and all that stuff. So I all of a
sudden was living this different life and I realized there
was a microscope on me. If I went to a
certain place, someone was going to snap a photo. So
and I hated thinking like that, like who's staring at us?
Who's taking a picture? It was a little bit harder
to relax.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Did you go on any dates where someone obviously had
just gone on the date with you because you were
the host of The Bachelor?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
No, but I got well, I don't know, because that's
the other thing. The other thing is you don't know
I went on you know. So how I ended up
meeting people was through friends, and I was I started
being better about just getting out, like I'll go on
a trip with friends and I'm just to go out
and talk to people. Because the great thing about the
show is it's that icebreaker. People will it's a conversation starter,
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so you can at least get there. But then there's
that line of oh, they are just an uber fan
of the show. Don't take advantage of this as opposed
to I just have a great connection with this person.
What is the difference between you love the show and
you actually may be interested in me? And so I
was a little self conscious of that, but I thought
the flip side was weird is when clearly somebody probably
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knew what you did for a living, but they ignored it.
I went on a date. I was set up on
this blind date. We were in Hollywood Brentwood, where we
went to dinner, and we sat there at dinner and
not once. First of all, she didn't ask me a question.
That's a red flag.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Oh that's a red flag. Well but okay, hold on,
let me ask you. That is my red flag. Always
in any relationship, whether it's friendship, work, romantic, if somebody
doesn't ask me one question back, I'm like, well, this
isn't a two way street. I'm exhausted, I'm drained, man,
I can't keep hopping you up and you're not giving
me anything in return.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And it wasn't even the depth.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But do you think that's them? Is there something where
people don't ask you any questions back because they don't
want you to.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
They're worried you're.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Going to think, okay, listen, idiot, you don't know what
I do for a living. But also do you want
it to be normal? And someone say, hey, so what
do you do?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Here's what I So. What this person did was they
took the tact of I'm not going to ask any
questions about what you do. And that's weird to me.
If I'm on a date and I'm going to just
sit sit in the woman's side of the chair, aren't
you interested in what this guy does? What do you
do for a living? What do you do every day?
Your hot? Whatever? Like? She never asked one question about
my life, So I thought, okay, that's odd. Wouldn't you
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want to know that on a date. Then after we ate,
before dessert comes, I love dessert. The couple next to
us that were sitting very close leaned over said hey,
we didn't want to bother you while you were eating.
We just want to say we love all the shows
you do, big fans, thanks for everything, And I said, oh, man,
appreciate it. I turned back to the woman I was
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on a date with. I said, I apologize, I'm sorry
she is that's fine, and never mentioned or asked anything
after that. So it was just it was the elephant
in the room. And I get that you didn't want
to talk about it because, oh, you probably get asked
about this all the time. What I appreciated was you
don't have to ask about the show, ask about what
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I do like. Do you like what you do? Do
you like hosting? What do you like about it? What
is it about the travel or you know, there's ways
to talk about it without being a quote unquote fan.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Without it being well, tell me, okay, so tell me
the truth about last season and that kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Thing, right exactly to get to know the person, which
is what I would want to do on a date. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Do you remember much about the conversation on our first date?
Did I ask? I don't remember this stuff? I asked you?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You just hammered me. It was like a job interview.
You went full Barbara Walters. And we sat there at
the SOHO House in Malibu and I just answered questions
for like an hour and a half, and then you
had the goal to later say you talk too much
about yourself on that first day fly.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
You didn't ask me back about myself? No, but do
you remember what I what kind of stuff I asked
you about.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was pretty basic because you and I, although you
would talk to me. The funny thing about us, so
the interesting thing was we didn't talk much about the
business because you and I had already maybe the thing
our professional relationship had covered business stuff. You knew about
The Bachelor and the people on it, so I knew
you knew all that, so we could just talk about family,
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growing up, college, like that kind of stuff. So I
think our our stuff got deeper quicker because we could
negate that first step.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Which probably speaks to what a private life you lived.
Because I didn't feel like I, as much as i'd
been interviewing you for three years, I didn't feel like
I knew very much about your personal life.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I was careful about trying to control that even when
you and I dated. We dated for six months before
we went public, because we knew that would be a thing. Again,
that's just one little step, but it's not a huge thing.
But it's just one little thing that you and I
wanted to think about before we went public because I
knew it would affect you and your business.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Well, it's interesting as much as we're saying somebody could
photography or whatever, I was worried when we started dating.
I didn't want yeah you're I didn't want dating you
to affect my career, and it was kind of this
difficult thing of I knew it would, and so I
really knew that I wanted it to be serious before
we became public with it. But I was always pretty
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on edge that someone would take a picture of us
or something. And so it's just interesting because celebrities might
say like, oh, you can't, I can't go anywhere, I
can't do anything. I think to a certain extent, it's
kind of about where you are. Like you lived in
sort of the suburbs in La and I don't know
people just didn't. You kind of knew people locally, they
were your friends. They weren't really in the business, and
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you didn't really have tourists around, so people weren't really
We could go to dinner and I was snapping a
picture of us. Now, it did get to the point
I started to get nervous. I think the turning point
for me, and I don't think i've told this story before,
was we were in Cabo in Mexico, and we were
at kind of a quiet party with a lot of
our friends who aren't in the business, and all our
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friends knew we were dating, but we hadn't gone public yet.
And then I looked up and coming in through the
door were like three women from the most recent season
of The Bachelor. I don't maybe I don't remember who
it was, but I remember. I think Christina Shulman was
one of us.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I remember, that's the only one. I remember too.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And they all obviously know me because I'd been interviewing
them and I know them. And I looked up and
I saw her, and so quickly my brain went, there's
no way to explain why I'm here, and so I
ran out of the room into a closet and for
the for like the next hour of the party, I
was in the closet and our friend Alyssa brought me
(15:55):
some snacks. She's like, what are you doing here? But
I didn't want I wasn't ready. I wanted our relationship
to come out on our term, yeah, And I just
was like, I want to know how to explain this,
and this is how it would get out. And that
was really funny. I don't think I've even ever told
Christina Shulman that, no, no, she's a sweet.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And by the way. She didn't do anything. They just
showed up at a party where I remember, and I
had to find you in the closet. I'm like, oh god,
this is still pretty early days. And I'm like, is
she mad at me? What did I do? And You're like, no,
I just didn't want this to come out because obviously
with that information just slipping out, Yeah, that's not how
we wanted to be broadcasted to the world. So there
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are some interesting layers to this, and it's kind of
fascinating in this article that came out from this woman
who went on a date and then the Jonah Hill
disaster and everything that has happened subsequently. I thought, what
a great topic today, And I just happened to have
two good friends who will be so good at leaning
into this. So when we come back, I'm going to
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talk to Youvanna Firestone, and then Ben Higgins's wife Jessica
Clark on the other side joining me. Now my good
friend Evonna Firestone, wife to former bachelor Andrew Firestone. Three
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beautiful kids fifteen years eighteen with Andrew total. There should
be some sort of award Mother Teresa Award for being
with Andrew Firestone for eighteen years.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Full disclosure, Lauren LZ and I are dear friends with
the Firestones. Love you guys, and so I appreciate you
doing this, and it's kind of a weird topic, but
I felt like, if I'm going to talk about dating
a celebrity and really have someone speak the truth, I
need someone I know really well and somebody whose history
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I know a little bit too. And so that's why
I came to you. The reason I wanted to talk
to you was a obviously, there's the Andrew Firestone of
it all and entering into not only just the Bachelor world,
Firestone world and all that, but you and hopefully I'm
not talking out of school. You have dated other celebrities.
You were a model and actress in your own right,
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very successful before Andrew, and so you had a dating
life before Andrew. As much as he would like to
forget about that, you did. And you dated a few celebrities,
one of them one of the biggest celebrities in the world.
We won't out anybody, but you have very specific knowledge
of this topic we're talking about today.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I in fact do, But that being said, it was
an industry that I was in It wasn't something that
I was seeking out, you know, to date, it's just
so happened. You know, you're kind of dating people that
are in your industry, are around, So it wasn't you know,
that big of a deal back in the day. And
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a couple of these people, they weren't such a big
deal back then. Right now, it's a different story.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh, good point. I guess I didn't think about that.
I guess really neither one of them was a huge deal.
They both wanted to be, but they weren't. Y'all were
all kind of aspiring at the same time.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
That's a good point and probably an important thing of
when you come up together and you are on equal footing,
it probably makes it a little easier.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Absolutely, And I wouldn't say that it was equal footing
back in that day. I was definitely trying and you know,
working and trying my hardest to succeed.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
What were the pitfalls that you ran into in dating
celebrities and not even getting into the andrew of it
all yet, but just what were some of the things
you thought, oh, this is kind of a pain in
the butt.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Well, I think that if you're dating someone that is
so driven, and I put you in this category. I mean,
you've worked hard your entire career. If somebody is that driven,
they're only going to have a certain amount of time
to dedicate to you. And that doesn't necessarily mean that
they don't like you or you're not you know, good
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enough or whatever. Their number one is their career interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's very ith and that goes for not just celebrities
like little, just everybody in general. If you are dating
a very high functioning individual man or woman, you're not
always going to be top of the list.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
No, absolutely not. And I if you can understand that
it's not you because I know, I know for a fact,
like I'm very comfortable in my own skin, but this
person is crazy driven. So you just have to realize
what you want out of a relationship. The time sped
together was so crazy fun, yeah, but then gone.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, well, I guess it's interesting too, especially when
you're at that level, when you're in the grind mode.
Maybe if you got them to that a list level
and you were dating them, then it may have been
there may have been other pitfalls, but at least you
have control of your schedule and your calendar. When you
were in that grind mode and you were trying to
really make that next big step to that elite level.
(21:32):
Yet there is no there is no room, and when
people call you go, and if there's an opportunity, you go.
And it doesn't mean I don't love you or don't
care about you, but I mean LZ and I ran
into that same thing. And when we started dating, I
forced a situation for us to kind of go on
a trip together because I told her, I'm about to
leave for the next eight to ten weeks. We're not
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going to be together when we get back. You're going
to go off and date twenty other people. And I
know you're a very sought after woman, So I had
to force the situation a little earlier than I normally would. Exactly, Yeah,
what were the what were the good parts of it?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
So, I mean, you get to go to cool events.
Dates are very very curated. You know, they'll they have
someone that can plan that for you, right like you know,
it's fun and exciting, and you're always in the fun
part that you know, whatever's happening, you're invited to the
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type of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
The velvet rope is always coming down, you always get
the parking spot. You always get in the club, you
always get the table service, you get in the good restaurant,
you get the reservation, you get the show tickets. Yeah,
a lot of those hurdles come down quickly, and that's
a nice that's a nice ride, and it makes that person. Well,
I'll ask you, does it make the person you're dating
a little bit more attractive?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Absolutely? I mean for me, that's interesting, Like I want
to be with someone that is desired, you know, that's
just what it is, right, Like, that's exciting, so of course,
but then you have the other stuff and you just
need to see what works for you.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
When you and Andrew came to be, and it was
after he did The Bachelor, did you know anything about him?
Did you know he was former Bachelor and all that?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Quite honestly, No, I did know his face. I think
i'd seen him on like a tabloid magazine or something
like that in the grocery store. I hadn't invested much
time in knowing who he was exactly. At that time.
I was doing a series and I was gone while
his show was airing. I was gone, So but I
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did recognize his face because I follow pop culture and
stuff like that. I remember seeing him at a party
once but never talking to him.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh before, Oh yeah, because he told me the story
and I'm not talking out of school that Andrew chased
you and became absolutely obsessed with you. The night we
shot it was either the tell all. Yeah, it was
the tell all for Jen Chef's season. He had a
couple hours to kill before he went to the airport,
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went to a bar or a party or something, and
met you, fell head over heels in love with you
that moment, as Andrew tends to do, and then annoyingly,
this is back in the day when you had to
use probably numbers to text people. Texted you five thousand
times in his plane ride from LA to New York,
and so he very much pursued you when you started
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dating him, and you realize everybody's coming up to him saying, hey,
you're the bachelor. You're the bachelor. I feel like I
know you. What was that like for you?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So it wasn't that out of the ordinary, right, just
being in LA and doing all that. What Andrew did
well was always make me feel no matter what, that
I was important and all those things that need to
happen to make a person feel secure. Right, So it
doesn't matter who's coming up and the attention that he's
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giving back because he's a good person and all those things.
But once you know that this person's got you, you're fine.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And now how it's kind of attractive too, right, Like
you know, other girls think he's cute. Oh great, but
I'm the one, right, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm going home with him. That is a huge You
just said something so well there. That is important in
every relationship. And guys, I can't tell you this enough,
and ladies as well, but prioritize your person, make them
feel special in every instance, whether you're at a party,
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whether you are walking into a movie whatever, when you're
in that crowd of people, for that person to know
just that reassuring hand on the show, whatever it is,
that is a huge thing. It really is, and it's
something I will be honest. I was terrible at my
first marriage. I was not good at that when I
was coming up and grinding and I didn't do a
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very good job of that. And I am so much
better about it now. It's such an important thing in
a relationship.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, And I think when it's right, it's right. And
when you want to give someone that sort of attention,
you know, just to make and he could talk to
anyone in the room. I don't care, right, but as
long as I know we're have fun.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Elsie and I have this great thing where I always
say I could just look at her across the room
and you just you give him that look and she'll
give you that smile and you just know. And that's
just that's all you need. That's all you need to
have that connection with Andrew. You know, he had this
thing about him. He was the first bachelor that paid
for his own ring. He paid, he didn't take any money.
(26:48):
Probably dumb of him to do that. If he go back,
I would have told him at least take some money.
But is he was he that guy when you were dating?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
The other was like a week ago and I was
in Santa Barbara with you guys and we were at
this place and Andrews sent your kids to go get
me a hat from this place we were at, and
he just because he's that kind of guy, He's like, oh,
we had a good day today, Hey go get mister
Harrison a hat. And your kids sprinted off and like
got me a hat. And I'm like, it's such an
Andrew thing to do. But he is the consummate gentleman.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
He absolutely is. But yeah, he you know, hard work,
he wants to earn things, and yeah, he won't take
a freebee.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
One of the things I think is always important about
bachelor couples, and I know you guys weren't a bachelor couple,
but I think this goes for every couple. Once you
realize you're established, you're dating, you're married because getting away
and living your life. You guys moved off to Santa Barbara.
You have a very quiet, pretty private life. I know
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you know Andrew's hosting events, you are charing events. So
y'all are unbelievably active in the community. You are very
face forward, but I would argue your private life is
unbelievably private, and you guys protect that, and I think that's.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Huge, absolutely, But I think with the whole Firestone name,
people have ideas of what our life might be, and
I mean, you know it's Instagram life versus reality, right always, yeah,
and how you pitch things, and we're just not those people.
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My husband's a very hard working man that's going to
go you know, earnest keep and that whole thing. So
it's funny. Yes we are private, but we're not at
all what people think we are flashy or you know.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You bring up an interesting question and something I've actually
never really talked to you guys about. What would you
say carries more weight? And when I say weight, I
mean something you probably feel like you have to live
up to or deal with more? Is it Bachelor Nation
World or having a Firestone name?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Hands down, the Firestone name. Yeah, I think that is
a hard thing to live up to. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I mean it's something we definitely leaned into on the show.
I mean his family goes back to American Royalty and
Harvey Firestone and so it's something that I know he's
dealt with his whole life. And then when you come
in you have to be a part of It's, you
know a little bit like marrying into the royal family.
A royal name here in America was something that now
you have to carry on.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
There's a lot of pressure on all those kids to
be successful, to be good humans, all the things.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You're right, His dad, Brooks Firestone set that standard, that
entrepreneurial spirit of you will go out and grind, you
will find your way, and like his brother with the brewery,
and Andrew has done amazingly well with his business and
real estate, and so I am so proud to see
those guys. And they could have easily rested on their laurels.
None of them did. Somehow his mom and dad were
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able to put that fire in his belly and with
all the kids, that is a huge attribute. I'm sure
a turn on for you.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Absolutely absolutely, That's what I fell in love.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
With, right, It's what we all fell in love with,
and it's why we fell in love with you, Yvonna.
Thank you for.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Joining me, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
When I thought about doing this show, this episode on
this topic dating celebrities, there was one person I had
to reach out to, and that is jess Clark. That
is Ben Higgins's wife. And everybody knows I'm good friends
with Ben. Everybody knows I love and adore him, but
he's also a mess, and so anytime I get a
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chance to also take shots at Ben, I'm all in.
And so I brought in my secret weapon, Jessica Clark,
to talk about this. But I also, honestly, first of all,
thank you for being here, Jessica. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Of course, anytime, like I said anything for you, but I.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Really wanted to talk to you because we have been
in public together as a group and there are two people,
two bachelors, and so I had have on a firestone
on right before you. And Andrew is like, is this
type of person? And Ben so much so that I
actually wanted to introduce Ben and Andrew together, and we did.
We got together and played golf. They are very similar people.
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They're very similar bachelors and that they are ridiculously beloved
and that's a wonderful thing. But as this person's wife,
I could see how that could be problematic at times.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I you know, I think the only problem I've ever
found with it is when we first started dating, because
I was so unfamiliar with Bachelor Nation that I didn't
realize what I was getting myself into.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Because he slid into your DMS.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
He did.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He probably saw some hot track picture just by the
way an insane athlete ran track in college. He slid
into your DMS. What were your thoughts when you got
this guy with a blue check mark just slid into
my DMS.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, well, first I have to say he slid into
my DMS after seeing a photo of me and my dad.
So my biggest joke is did he want to marry
me or did he want my dad as a father
in law? That very still out because they love each other.
But when he slid in, I saw the blue Chick
check mark, and obviously he has like a million plus followers,
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and I was like, what in the world who is
this person? Because a little background on me. I was
selling light fixtures to new construction in Nashville, so was
far from this world, and my mom was familiar with
who Bin was. So I kind of took polls from
my family to see if anyone knew this person, and
it was like, well, the only solution is to figure
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out how he found you, because we have no idea.
So that was where it all started.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So he stumbled across this picture he DMS you, and
where does it go from there? And how quickly?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So we DM back and forth and there's this immediate connection,
which I can't really explain because it's over kind of
text message and it's like, how can you connect with someone?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
But it was just easy banter.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Then he pulled the old like never check my dms,
give me your number, So I did.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Smart boy. I like that get it off DMS as
fast as.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
You can, exactly exactly. So we're texting back and forth
and this is the most been thing ever.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But he had listened to a talk on generosity and
he wants to know my thoughts on if it was
more generous to give with time or money.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
And at that point, I was making.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Less than minimum wage and I was completely broke, and
I didn't want to come off as selfish, so I
sent him a voice memo and kind of explained myself
of why it was really hard for me to give
with money at the time, and he immediately called me.
We talked for like thirty minutes, and then when he
hung up, he was like, well, well, if anything, I
got a great friend out of this. And I was like, well,
(34:03):
I'm never hearing it from this guy again, Like I
blew it. Yeah, But then we FaceTime that night, and
three weeks later I flew out to Denver.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
That's amazing, And the rest is yea now history, as
y'all bet married and living this wonderful life together. So
one of the things is I said about Andrew Firestone
and Ben Higgins. I had a woman the other day
come up to me and she stops me. We're at
the gym, and she's like, oh my god, Chris, I
have to tell you. And first of all, I don't
know this woman either, but all of a sudden, she
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just acted like we knew each other. I have to
tell you how embarrassing this was. I ran into Ben
and Jess at some coffee shop or something like that,
and I was with my husband and I just went
up and started talking to Ben and we talked for
like twenty minutes. Because I mean, it's been and because
so people feel like they know him, people adore him,
and it's it's obviously what you see is what you get.
(34:53):
I will admit he's a wonderful man. But at the
same time, you have to share that part. And so
you entered into what you now know as Bachelor Nation
and you have this beloved figure. How did you navigate
those waters and was it difficult?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I think the strangers or the you know, the people
that watch the show and come up and talk to Ben,
that's never bothered me as much as when I've seen
scenes of the show that bothers me more interesting, just
because like, you know that the people you've dated in
the past have exes and stuff like that. They can
(35:31):
tell you all about it, but you don't have to
see the way that they've looked at them, because like
the way they've looked at them is the way they look.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
At you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, So, like the scenes of the show have bothered
me more than people coming up and thinking they know Ben,
because like you said, with Ben, it's what you see
is what you get, and so it's more like almost
a reassurance that I'm just dating the most pure and
kind and just true person or I'm married to now.
(36:00):
But yeah, it's I think it's more of like that
that's such a respect thing for him, and it means
so much to him because he was the Bachelor so
long ago, so that's never really been an issue. And
I think it also was like he really eased me
into that as we were dating. We went seven months
without a photo of us or really any kind of
(36:22):
public appearance outside of like our little homes.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So it's slow.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, so I was really eased into that. But no,
it's it's more the scenes from the show that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Did you watch, Like did you go back and watch
the season? And you know he did Bachelor, He was
on Bachelor Winter Games, and so did you go back
and watch these and if so, like, did you stop.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I've never intentionally watched it. It's more been like if
we've been watching the show and there's been a preview
or flashback, or one time we were doing a podcast
together and we were watching like an upcoming Bachelor thing
and there was a flashback of him and like his finale. Yeah,
and it was him in his final two and.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
That like crushed me.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Wow. Yeah, And that was early on in dating too,
But so I've tried to stay away from many of it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, well, especially early on, there's more insecurities. You still
wonder things, and until you really know the person, I
can imagine that would be difficult. That is very interesting,
especially his season was so big and it still gets
you know, even though it was a long time ago,
you still see those I guess you'd call them highlights.
(37:32):
But you're right. I would not want to go back
and watch LZ on a date and saying I love
you or whatever kissing someone else. That would be a
little bit awkward, to say the least.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, it's it is really disconcerting because you don't think
about it till you're in the situation. But I mean,
I've dated other people too, and I can tell Ben
all about it, but he's never seen me interact with them,
or kiss them or look at them deeply in the eye.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You can make of that what we want in our
own minds exactly. That was Jessica didn't enjoy it. She
wasn't into it, no.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Eye contact.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
She hated it.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
She was always pining after me and always thinking about that.
That's funny as you move on with your life and
you guys got married. And I said this to Ivanna,
and it's one consistent thing that I've seen with most
successful couples from the show, and that is you went
off and lived your life. You guys met outside of Hollywood.
(38:33):
You live outside of Hollywood very much. You guys are
in Denver, you're in Indiana. So you lived this very
private life, even with a very public figure. And I
think that's important.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yep, he actually decided not to move to la and
to do with that whole thing because of something that
you said to him. I don't even know if you
remember saying this. He talks about it all the time.
But when he was the bachelor, you pulled him aside
and you were like, make sure that this experience enhance
it your life and doesn't change your life. And I
think he's done a really good job of that and
pursued these things outside of the Bachelor and then has
(39:08):
really used the platform to enhance his life. And you know,
he's still involved obviously is almost famous, and he is
such a beloved figure. But I mean, all thanks to
you that we're able to live the lack that we
have and it's so wonderful and beautiful and it is
so I mean, I keep using this word, but it
is so pure because we don't have all these outside
influences and we're not playing the keeping up with the
(39:29):
Joneses game and we're able to really just have like
our little bubble, which is so nice.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah. I saw this very kind of vulnerable guy in
Ben as he came off the show. And these people
that watch the show of viewers and I understand, you're like, oh,
he signed up for this. It's like they know what
they're getting into. They don't. There's no way you understand.
You're being shot out of a cannon without a net
and you're going one thousand miles an hour and it
(39:57):
is so new. The love, adoration, that you get, especially
when you're someone like Ben, and so I just saw
this world eating him alive. And if he came to Hollywood,
he's not that guy. And so I was hoping he
would take that advice and go elsewhere and live his life.
And he did superbly, as you would expect him to do.
(40:19):
And I just I'm so happy for you, guys, and
I appreciate you coming on and giving a little insight
not only into Ben, but your life and what it's
been like. And I love you guys to death and
really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, we love you. We're really grateful for you, and
we wouldn't be where we are without you. So thank
you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Jessica, I thank you so much. I'll talk to you
guys soon.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Okay, talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
It is impossible not to love and adore Jessica and Ben,
and my thanks to her for coming on. Jessica Clark
an amazing woman, and Evana Firestone, Andrew's wife as well.
I appreciate their honesty and insight, and just both of
them very good friends of ours as well, and I
always appreciate their love and friendship and support and yours
(41:04):
as well. Truly love doing this show, talking to you
guys each and every week, several fun episodes and by
the way, I want to tell you so, Lauren and
I have started something new on Fridays. Every Friday, we're
going to open up what we call the playbook, just
a special little episode, little something extra. It might be
a rant, it might be a love it might just
(41:25):
be a crazy thought or something we saw that we
want to talk to you about. So look for that
bonus episode every Friday as well. But thank you for
being with us today. I will talk to you next time.
We have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening.
Follow us on Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever,
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Lauren Zima
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