October 11, 2025 • 21 mins
19-year-old twins Naazir and Qaadir Lewis were found dead last spring on a remote Georgia mountain top. Police say it was a planned, double suicide, but their family isn’t buying it, claiming the teens would never harm one another or themselves. As police point to the evidence signaling suicide, the family makes a case for foul play and is calling for an independent investigation, as new details in the case were revealed this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there are folks. It is Saturday, October the eleventh.
Twins nineteen year old twins found dead, both shot in
a remote trail on a Georgia mountain. The authorities have
closed the case, saying it was a double suicide. The
boys family say, ain't no way. And with that, welcome
(00:26):
to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes's case. Get
digget a lot of attention initially as getting more now
because new information has come out and this is a
deepening mystery and some of these details are just on
both sides are just kind of head scratching.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, we have been reading in on this story and
it began on March seventh of this year and still
today October eleventh. There are so many questions about what
actually happened that led to the death of Naseera and
kaydiir Lewis again twins, from the way their body was positioned,
(01:09):
to why they were there in the first place, to
the plans they had that made family members believe and
still believe to this day that they had no intention
of ending their lives. It's just it's mysterious and it's alarming,
and there are no clear answers. Although like you said.
(01:30):
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation says, they know what happened.
Case closed, we're done investigation over.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But it's such a bizarre story that by all the counts,
these two young men were very inseparable. Again, twins, nineteen
year old young black men. They even shared a vehicle,
but they stayed at home. They lived at home with
their dad and their stepmom. So that's it. Said in Lawrenceville, Georgia,
you know the area better, so give the idea for
people that don't know where that is in the state.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, Lawrenceville, Georgia is in the part of Gwinnett County.
It's where I grew up. It's where I went to
middle school and high school. My whole family still lives
in that area. It's a beautiful part just north of
Atlanta and just the kind of your idyllic suburb of Atlanta,
Georgia where honestly, the big water tower there if you've
(02:20):
passed through, says Gwinett is great, and that is kind
of the community that it is. It's just a it's
a peaceful, beautiful place to grow up.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So we're trying to or the family is looking for answers.
Now the Georgia of Bureau Investigation says this was a
double suicide. The family says no, what roabes you go
through and some of the evidence, if you will, on
both sides of this point to, yeah, this kind of
looks like it could have been a double suicide, and
(02:51):
then you hear other details and go, wait a minute,
there's no way. So this week we're talking about it
because CNN reportedly has gotten their hands on this Georgia
Bureau of Investigation file on this particular case, and there's
some new details coming out that I guess robes don't
necessarily clear things up.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
No. In fact, we were actually looking at some of
the initial news reports coming out of the Atlanta area
that actually completely do not jibe with what CNN is
now reporting is actually in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation file.
So it's unclear where the truth lies. And I don't
know that anyone's going to feel comfortable with it, especially
(03:31):
not family members at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So what we're talking about was earlier this year, we
were talking about the night of March seventh, that was
a Friday night. These boys, Nauseir and Kadir, they take
off in their car. They're seen at a grocery state
a gas station, I should say, they got gas, they
got beef jerky, they got water, and drove off into
the night. Now they drove from where they were some
(03:53):
ninety miles north to and you break this down, Hiawa
Si versus Blue Mountain? Where were they exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
See? I actually am very familiar with that area too.
It's a beautiful area in the Georgia Mountains, the North
Georgia Mountains, right along the North Carolina border. A lot
of wooded trails. It's a it's a just a playground
for hikers. Folks love this area. My parents love this area.
I have been up there with them hiking. So it
is a remote area. Now, these two were found on
(04:23):
a summit it was called Bell Mountain, in the Blue
Mountain Trail, on the along the Blue Mountain Trail, and hikers,
actually another student hiker I believe, found their bodies some
twelve hours later, lying side by side there. This is
how their bodies were described as legs straight, arms outstretched,
(04:44):
and anime a anime sword by both of them. They
were fans of anime. But it just almost looked like
the bodies were positioned. It doesn't seem as though that
were the that could have possibly been the way two
bodies would fall if each of them died by suicide,
sharing the gun one after the other. The way police
(05:04):
say it happened.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
To that point the lawyer, that was one of the
things they say, quote the main thing is the way
the bodies were positioned. They were not conducive to what
you would consider a suicide situation. Again, this was considered
a double suicide and the case has been closed. The
gun was found in between the legs of one of
the boys' particular weapon a forty five calendar nineteen eleven
(05:27):
style gun. That's relevant. We'll get more into that in
a second, but a specific gun. This gun. They don't
know how the boys got it brose, but this was
a gun that was reported stolen. They don't know how
it came into their possession, but it had been reported
stolen from Powder Springs, Georgia. If you know the area,
it's about fifty miles from Lawrenceville, so it is in
(05:49):
the area. But they don't know how it ended up
with them.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So that's a big question mark there. But when you
actually look at the GBI investigation, they say that the
forensics that they took show that both boys fired the gun,
so it wasn't a murder suicide. It was, according to
the GBI, a double suicide where one brother shot the
(06:13):
gun killed himself, the other brother takes the gun and
shoots himself. Both of the wounds were considered contact range,
meaning it was a gun up to the head pressed
against the side of the head, and one brother, according
to the investigation, actually FaceTime a friend ahead of time
(06:35):
showing this girl the gun that they had and they
claim it's the same gun that was used in the
double suicide.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, so it's these things are these are the things
that are they're trying to piece together because none of
this makes sense to the family and in some regards
it doesn't make sense with the GBI investigation either. They
do have, according to authorities, several Google searches that suggests
that the boys were thinking about suicide. They even though
(07:07):
the family said these guys were solid and happy, the
GBI investigation showed that they did have evidence that they
had struggled with stress and in particular financial pressures. I
think the dad had a stroke and I think that
put a little more strain on the family and maybe
on the boys, but there was a suggestion that that
even had an impact on their mental health, that even
(07:29):
the family didn't know about it, they had only shared
with maybe some friends.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, and the gun that they recovered did have just
two spent shells. And they also noted that there was
a note left behind, not a suicide note of any kind,
but there was a note that the boys left behind
for their stepmother to read, saying please return to my
uncle Raheem. It was a camera that they had borrowed
(07:54):
to take some photographs of, so they pointed that as well,
saying they were tying up loose ends, making sure something
they had borrowed was given back to the person they
borrowed it from. And they also made note that there
was a newly purchased rope in the vehicle that the
brothers left behind parked at the trailhead there at the
(08:15):
North Georgia Mountains.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Like that to mean whatever it could possibly mean, but
it was noted.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
The parts of this that the family will point to
was the boy's behavior ahead of time, before all this
took place, they were doing normal stuff. They were out shopping,
they were making plans, even travel plans in particular. Now
the night that the boys went off and then ended
up dead. Nauseir had a flight book that day going
(08:42):
to Boston. Now he got to the airport, according to
this file, and they actually reached out to the person
he was going to visit his girlfriend in Boston, and yes,
and very much this generation's language, he texted her saying
I'm cooked because of the TSA line, I think he
included a picture. So they authorities like, yeah, he was
at the airport. So how does this kid go from
(09:04):
making and having a plan to spend the weekend with
his girlfriend to wanting to kill himself that same night?
So he misses the flight and makes a plan with
her that I'm going to reschedule, gonna come tomorrow, that's fine.
How do you go? And this is what the family
is struggling with in some details like that, how good
a guy he was going to hang out with his girlfriend.
(09:25):
He was literally at the airport and that same night
decides suicide.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And look, I think it's one thing for one person
to die by suicide, and that's hard enough for a
family to get their head around. What did I miss?
What warning signs did I not see? How did I
not know my loved one was struggling. That's such a
specific and individual experience that we can't possibly try to
get our heads around. But to know that two people,
(09:52):
and I know they're identical twins, and I know they
were close, could come to the same conclusion at the
same time and side to do it together, that is
a whole other level of questions, And it just seems
so highly unlikely. I don't care how much DNA you
share that you would both feel the same with different experiences.
(10:15):
One has a girlfriend, one has friends, they have plans,
they're nineteen years old, for God's sakes, their whole lives
are in front of them. It's just it's gutting to
think that they could have actually been in the same
place at the same time. And who knows, could the
airport situation have just been the final straw. It sounds silly,
but sometimes if you're teetering on the edge of what
(10:38):
to do and feeling lost and hopeless, one small, seemingly
insignificant thing could send you over the edge. I don't know,
but it's the family isn't buying it. The family says,
without a doubt, these two were inseparable, Yes, but they
never ever talked about harm, talked about violence, never even
(11:01):
got into a fistfight with one another. They said these
were calm, peaceful, relatively happy young men as far as
every one in their family could see.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well are they also? And we've seen stories before of twins, right,
being incredibly connected in all kinds of ways, and even
transitioning later in life to in the same ways that
are bizarre? Is it they might come across as bizarre
to us that that's possible, But is that could that
(11:30):
be a case to where yes, they had sets of
friends and wentnot but they say they were so close
that their lives were so closely aligned. I mean they
shared a car, they lived together. Right. Are they so
closely aligned that their experiences did result in these two
people with the exact same DNA experiencing those things the
same way and leading to the same feelings within them.
(11:53):
I think that's just fascinating. It's wild to imagine just
the human body being able to do that, to replicate
that the mind being able to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I know it sounds and I obviously yes, that's so fascinating.
And you and I and anyone who isn't a twin
can't imagine what that feeling is like. But it's just
remarkable to think that something a decision like this could
be made together. And look, I don't know what anyone
(12:28):
goes through right before they make this ultimate decision, but
part of it I had thought, and maybe this is
where I am wrong. Loneliness would be a huge part
of it, or despair or hopelessness. But if you've got
this person in life who knows what you're feeling and
knows what you're thinking and can commiserate with you in
every way, that's enough. Like you've got your person. Like
(12:51):
they were almost yes tied by DNA, and through experience,
they had each other. So that's what actually is also
concerning to me to think about, just on a human level,
that they had one another. They weren't lonely in the
sense that they had each other. So why do this
without any explanation, without any note knowing they were gonna
leave family members, girlfriends, fathers, stepmothers with questions in despair
(13:17):
like that just seems so hard to get your head around.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
So there's the point and what you deser. We don't
know these boys at all, and even from what we
are reading and what we're gathering, this sound so out
of left field. So imagine how the family feels trying
to accept the answer that these two decided to do this,
and look, I was talking to you about this ahead
of time. Huh, there's one gun. Somebody had to do
(13:45):
this first. So one brother watched his brother kill himself
and then immediately did the same. That what is happening
in life that that scenario is possible?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I don't that is the bar that what and the
family isn't. The family said someone took these two. They've
never gone hiking, they don't like hiking. They don't know
the area. They wouldn't know a trail, especially in the
middle of the night, to make it up to this summit.
This isn't something an area that they know to traverse.
Trails are hard to this is I'm an avid hiker.
(14:22):
Trails are difficult in that area, especially to navigate in
the daylight, when you know where you're going, when you
know where the markings are on the trees, to follow
the trail to get to the summit. So that's part
of their argument. They didn't know this area, they didn't
go hiking. How did they make it in the dark
all the way up to the summit to do this.
It makes no sense, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So that's some of what the file said is going on.
But stay here, we will tell you about now the
digital the digital evidence that authorities got from their phones.
That adds to the mystery. But some are saying it
actually is why they have closed this case. We continue
(15:16):
now here on Amy and TJ. The mystery continue. Some
new questions have now arose after the GBI report. Georgia
Buau investigation report has been not released but obtained by CNN,
giving us new details about a story that got a
lot of attention and some national attention. Twin brothers, Nazir
(15:38):
and Kadir Lewis twin brothers. It was ruled a double
suicide on a Georgia mountain there on the North Carolina border,
but the family is not buying it. And now this
new report is giving some new details. Among those details
roads a lot of stuff that they got from the
young men's phone, including the fact that they watch a
(16:00):
video about the gun that they had, this nineteen eleven gun.
Even if you're not a gun enthusiast, you see this
gun and you recognize it because it's in a lot
of movies. It's just a very popular style of guns,
so they watched a video on it. But robe they
also had several searches, specific Google searches that they did
that I guess kind of yes, the mean story.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
The only way you could try to get your head
around these Google searches is if somebody, according to the family,
if someone did this to them, if they aren't responsible
for their own deaths, then someone would have had to
elaborately go into their phones and create these searches. And
who knows, But the GBI said that the Internet history
from their cell phones showed this searches for loading a gun.
(16:45):
They also apparently searched for twenty twenty four suicide rates.
A search of Naseer's phone turned up videos titled what
is it like Getting shot at? And should you shoot
at an angle? So those very specific Internet searches on
(17:06):
their phones certainly are fairly damning or at least corroborate
what GBI officials are now saying is and was a
double suicide. Something else that was interesting they found in
the backpack that was not near their bodies apparently, but
in the backpack of Kaidir there was a notebook that
(17:29):
had the title Journey to the afterlife. So there are
plenty of fairly significant pieces of evidence that the police
are pointing to to say this corroborates our theory, or
at least our decision. We've ruled these deaths a double suicide.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Dear Nasir Lewis, Well, this is in even if it
did happen that way. I want to know more about
these young men. I want to hear about their lives,
their story, like what was going on with them to
get them to this place. I think that it is
a fascinating place to get in learning about twins, like
(18:13):
how do you get to this exact same place of
despair that you want to end your life? Are you
that close with your I don't know. I don't get.
And again I certainly don't get how you could watch
your twin shoot himself in the head and then a
moment later do the same thing to yourself.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You must be desperate and unfortunately not neither one of them,
if this is true, felt like they could share this
with anyone else other than with each other. Now complicating
this mystery just a bit, I wanted to point out
a short time after these two boys' bodies were found,
(18:52):
the body of a thirty eight year old man was
discovered in this same location. That is bizarre. His death
was also classified as a suicide. But get this, all
three of these men lived in Gwinnett County at the
time of their deaths, and all of them ended up
(19:12):
on this mountaintop on Bell Mountain in the North Georgia Mountains,
just five miles away from hiawassee Georgia. And so now
these two families have actually connected because none of them
believe that their loved ones actually died by suicide, and
so they've actually gotten together. They're calling for an independent investigation,
but they say that this other man, this thirty eight
(19:33):
year old, was a generous, well known figure in the
local skateboarding community. He was a caring person. He was
not the type of person who, whatever they say, his
family members say, take his own life. So it just
adds to the mystery that now within the span of
a few months, you have three men all dying by
(19:54):
suicide at the exact same location, all hailing from the
same area, no obvious other known connection between the two.
But certainly it's another puzzling component to a tragic, tragic
situation that doesn't really have a satisfying answer for anybody.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And they are not. We should note the families are
not letting this go and letting this rest. Family, at
least of the twins is looking to hire a private
investigator to look into this independently, and we will keep
an eye on that. But really, this is not, by
any means a closed case. Even if it did happen
(20:31):
the way the authorities say it happened, I still would
like to hear more about this case.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Put yourself in this
family's position, and anybody who felt just completely blindsided by
something this tragic and this horrific with enough question marks,
because you just start to think, if something happened to them,
could someone be covering their tracks by making it look
(20:58):
like a suicide? That is a that is an absolute
genuine response. I mean I understand that. And at the
very least, you just want to make sure you turned
over every rock, you made sure you looked at every
possible scenario before accepting what police just hand to you
and say this is what happened. Because there is no
one saw it happen. There's the only two people who
(21:19):
know what happened, at least from what we know are
those two young men and it's worth an investigation. I
would want to do the same if that were my
family member.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Folks, we'll keep an eye on it. We always appreciate
you hanging with us. For now, I'm TJ. Holmes. I
gonna have of my partner, hemy Robock. We'll talk to
us day
Hey, there are folks. It is Saturday, October the eleventh.
Twins nineteen year old twins found dead, both shot in
a remote trail on a Georgia mountain. The authorities have
closed the case, saying it was a double suicide. The
boys family say, ain't no way. And with that, welcome
(00:26):
to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes's case. Get
digget a lot of attention initially as getting more now
because new information has come out and this is a
deepening mystery and some of these details are just on
both sides are just kind of head scratching.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, we have been reading in on this story and
it began on March seventh of this year and still
today October eleventh. There are so many questions about what
actually happened that led to the death of Naseera and
kaydiir Lewis again twins, from the way their body was positioned,
(01:09):
to why they were there in the first place, to
the plans they had that made family members believe and
still believe to this day that they had no intention
of ending their lives. It's just it's mysterious and it's alarming,
and there are no clear answers. Although like you said.
(01:30):
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation says, they know what happened.
Case closed, we're done investigation over.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But it's such a bizarre story that by all the counts,
these two young men were very inseparable. Again, twins, nineteen
year old young black men. They even shared a vehicle,
but they stayed at home. They lived at home with
their dad and their stepmom. So that's it. Said in Lawrenceville, Georgia,
you know the area better, so give the idea for
people that don't know where that is in the state.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, Lawrenceville, Georgia is in the part of Gwinnett County.
It's where I grew up. It's where I went to
middle school and high school. My whole family still lives
in that area. It's a beautiful part just north of
Atlanta and just the kind of your idyllic suburb of Atlanta,
Georgia where honestly, the big water tower there if you've
(02:20):
passed through, says Gwinett is great, and that is kind
of the community that it is. It's just a it's
a peaceful, beautiful place to grow up.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So we're trying to or the family is looking for answers.
Now the Georgia of Bureau Investigation says this was a
double suicide. The family says no, what roabes you go
through and some of the evidence, if you will, on
both sides of this point to, yeah, this kind of
looks like it could have been a double suicide, and
(02:51):
then you hear other details and go, wait a minute,
there's no way. So this week we're talking about it
because CNN reportedly has gotten their hands on this Georgia
Bureau of Investigation file on this particular case, and there's
some new details coming out that I guess robes don't
necessarily clear things up.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
No. In fact, we were actually looking at some of
the initial news reports coming out of the Atlanta area
that actually completely do not jibe with what CNN is
now reporting is actually in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation file.
So it's unclear where the truth lies. And I don't
know that anyone's going to feel comfortable with it, especially
(03:31):
not family members at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So what we're talking about was earlier this year, we
were talking about the night of March seventh, that was
a Friday night. These boys, Nauseir and Kadir, they take
off in their car. They're seen at a grocery state
a gas station, I should say, they got gas, they
got beef jerky, they got water, and drove off into
the night. Now they drove from where they were some
(03:53):
ninety miles north to and you break this down, Hiawa
Si versus Blue Mountain? Where were they exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
See? I actually am very familiar with that area too.
It's a beautiful area in the Georgia Mountains, the North
Georgia Mountains, right along the North Carolina border. A lot
of wooded trails. It's a it's a just a playground
for hikers. Folks love this area. My parents love this area.
I have been up there with them hiking. So it
is a remote area. Now, these two were found on
(04:23):
a summit it was called Bell Mountain, in the Blue
Mountain Trail, on the along the Blue Mountain Trail, and hikers,
actually another student hiker I believe, found their bodies some
twelve hours later, lying side by side there. This is
how their bodies were described as legs straight, arms outstretched,
(04:44):
and anime a anime sword by both of them. They
were fans of anime. But it just almost looked like
the bodies were positioned. It doesn't seem as though that
were the that could have possibly been the way two
bodies would fall if each of them died by suicide,
sharing the gun one after the other. The way police
(05:04):
say it happened.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
To that point the lawyer, that was one of the
things they say, quote the main thing is the way
the bodies were positioned. They were not conducive to what
you would consider a suicide situation. Again, this was considered
a double suicide and the case has been closed. The
gun was found in between the legs of one of
the boys' particular weapon a forty five calendar nineteen eleven
(05:27):
style gun. That's relevant. We'll get more into that in
a second, but a specific gun. This gun. They don't
know how the boys got it brose, but this was
a gun that was reported stolen. They don't know how
it came into their possession, but it had been reported
stolen from Powder Springs, Georgia. If you know the area,
it's about fifty miles from Lawrenceville, so it is in
(05:49):
the area. But they don't know how it ended up
with them.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So that's a big question mark there. But when you
actually look at the GBI investigation, they say that the
forensics that they took show that both boys fired the gun,
so it wasn't a murder suicide. It was, according to
the GBI, a double suicide where one brother shot the
(06:13):
gun killed himself, the other brother takes the gun and
shoots himself. Both of the wounds were considered contact range,
meaning it was a gun up to the head pressed
against the side of the head, and one brother, according
to the investigation, actually FaceTime a friend ahead of time
(06:35):
showing this girl the gun that they had and they
claim it's the same gun that was used in the
double suicide.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, so it's these things are these are the things
that are they're trying to piece together because none of
this makes sense to the family and in some regards
it doesn't make sense with the GBI investigation either. They
do have, according to authorities, several Google searches that suggests
that the boys were thinking about suicide. They even though
(07:07):
the family said these guys were solid and happy, the
GBI investigation showed that they did have evidence that they
had struggled with stress and in particular financial pressures. I
think the dad had a stroke and I think that
put a little more strain on the family and maybe
on the boys, but there was a suggestion that that
even had an impact on their mental health, that even
(07:29):
the family didn't know about it, they had only shared
with maybe some friends.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, and the gun that they recovered did have just
two spent shells. And they also noted that there was
a note left behind, not a suicide note of any kind,
but there was a note that the boys left behind
for their stepmother to read, saying please return to my
uncle Raheem. It was a camera that they had borrowed
(07:54):
to take some photographs of, so they pointed that as well,
saying they were tying up loose ends, making sure something
they had borrowed was given back to the person they
borrowed it from. And they also made note that there
was a newly purchased rope in the vehicle that the
brothers left behind parked at the trailhead there at the
(08:15):
North Georgia Mountains.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Like that to mean whatever it could possibly mean, but
it was noted.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
The parts of this that the family will point to
was the boy's behavior ahead of time, before all this
took place, they were doing normal stuff. They were out shopping,
they were making plans, even travel plans in particular. Now
the night that the boys went off and then ended
up dead. Nauseir had a flight book that day going
(08:42):
to Boston. Now he got to the airport, according to
this file, and they actually reached out to the person
he was going to visit his girlfriend in Boston, and yes,
and very much this generation's language, he texted her saying
I'm cooked because of the TSA line, I think he
included a picture. So they authorities like, yeah, he was
at the airport. So how does this kid go from
(09:04):
making and having a plan to spend the weekend with
his girlfriend to wanting to kill himself that same night?
So he misses the flight and makes a plan with
her that I'm going to reschedule, gonna come tomorrow, that's fine.
How do you go? And this is what the family
is struggling with in some details like that, how good
a guy he was going to hang out with his girlfriend.
(09:25):
He was literally at the airport and that same night
decides suicide.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And look, I think it's one thing for one person
to die by suicide, and that's hard enough for a
family to get their head around. What did I miss?
What warning signs did I not see? How did I
not know my loved one was struggling. That's such a
specific and individual experience that we can't possibly try to
get our heads around. But to know that two people,
(09:52):
and I know they're identical twins, and I know they
were close, could come to the same conclusion at the
same time and side to do it together, that is
a whole other level of questions, And it just seems
so highly unlikely. I don't care how much DNA you
share that you would both feel the same with different experiences.
(10:15):
One has a girlfriend, one has friends, they have plans,
they're nineteen years old, for God's sakes, their whole lives
are in front of them. It's just it's gutting to
think that they could have actually been in the same
place at the same time. And who knows, could the
airport situation have just been the final straw. It sounds silly,
but sometimes if you're teetering on the edge of what
(10:38):
to do and feeling lost and hopeless, one small, seemingly
insignificant thing could send you over the edge. I don't know,
but it's the family isn't buying it. The family says,
without a doubt, these two were inseparable, Yes, but they
never ever talked about harm, talked about violence, never even
(11:01):
got into a fistfight with one another. They said these
were calm, peaceful, relatively happy young men as far as
every one in their family could see.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well are they also? And we've seen stories before of twins, right,
being incredibly connected in all kinds of ways, and even
transitioning later in life to in the same ways that
are bizarre? Is it they might come across as bizarre
to us that that's possible, But is that could that
(11:30):
be a case to where yes, they had sets of
friends and wentnot but they say they were so close
that their lives were so closely aligned. I mean they
shared a car, they lived together. Right. Are they so
closely aligned that their experiences did result in these two
people with the exact same DNA experiencing those things the
same way and leading to the same feelings within them.
(11:53):
I think that's just fascinating. It's wild to imagine just
the human body being able to do that, to replicate
that the mind being able to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I know it sounds and I obviously yes, that's so fascinating.
And you and I and anyone who isn't a twin
can't imagine what that feeling is like. But it's just
remarkable to think that something a decision like this could
be made together. And look, I don't know what anyone
(12:28):
goes through right before they make this ultimate decision, but
part of it I had thought, and maybe this is
where I am wrong. Loneliness would be a huge part
of it, or despair or hopelessness. But if you've got
this person in life who knows what you're feeling and
knows what you're thinking and can commiserate with you in
every way, that's enough. Like you've got your person. Like
(12:51):
they were almost yes tied by DNA, and through experience,
they had each other. So that's what actually is also
concerning to me to think about, just on a human level,
that they had one another. They weren't lonely in the
sense that they had each other. So why do this
without any explanation, without any note knowing they were gonna
leave family members, girlfriends, fathers, stepmothers with questions in despair
(13:17):
like that just seems so hard to get your head around.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
So there's the point and what you deser. We don't
know these boys at all, and even from what we
are reading and what we're gathering, this sound so out
of left field. So imagine how the family feels trying
to accept the answer that these two decided to do this,
and look, I was talking to you about this ahead
of time. Huh, there's one gun. Somebody had to do
(13:45):
this first. So one brother watched his brother kill himself
and then immediately did the same. That what is happening
in life that that scenario is possible?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I don't that is the bar that what and the
family isn't. The family said someone took these two. They've
never gone hiking, they don't like hiking. They don't know
the area. They wouldn't know a trail, especially in the
middle of the night, to make it up to this summit.
This isn't something an area that they know to traverse.
Trails are hard to this is I'm an avid hiker.
(14:22):
Trails are difficult in that area, especially to navigate in
the daylight, when you know where you're going, when you
know where the markings are on the trees, to follow
the trail to get to the summit. So that's part
of their argument. They didn't know this area, they didn't
go hiking. How did they make it in the dark
all the way up to the summit to do this.
It makes no sense, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So that's some of what the file said is going on.
But stay here, we will tell you about now the
digital the digital evidence that authorities got from their phones.
That adds to the mystery. But some are saying it
actually is why they have closed this case. We continue
(15:16):
now here on Amy and TJ. The mystery continue. Some
new questions have now arose after the GBI report. Georgia
Buau investigation report has been not released but obtained by CNN,
giving us new details about a story that got a
lot of attention and some national attention. Twin brothers, Nazir
(15:38):
and Kadir Lewis twin brothers. It was ruled a double
suicide on a Georgia mountain there on the North Carolina border,
but the family is not buying it. And now this
new report is giving some new details. Among those details
roads a lot of stuff that they got from the
young men's phone, including the fact that they watch a
(16:00):
video about the gun that they had, this nineteen eleven gun.
Even if you're not a gun enthusiast, you see this
gun and you recognize it because it's in a lot
of movies. It's just a very popular style of guns,
so they watched a video on it. But robe they
also had several searches, specific Google searches that they did
that I guess kind of yes, the mean story.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
The only way you could try to get your head
around these Google searches is if somebody, according to the family,
if someone did this to them, if they aren't responsible
for their own deaths, then someone would have had to
elaborately go into their phones and create these searches. And
who knows, But the GBI said that the Internet history
from their cell phones showed this searches for loading a gun.
(16:45):
They also apparently searched for twenty twenty four suicide rates.
A search of Naseer's phone turned up videos titled what
is it like Getting shot at? And should you shoot
at an angle? So those very specific Internet searches on
(17:06):
their phones certainly are fairly damning or at least corroborate
what GBI officials are now saying is and was a
double suicide. Something else that was interesting they found in
the backpack that was not near their bodies apparently, but
in the backpack of Kaidir there was a notebook that
(17:29):
had the title Journey to the afterlife. So there are
plenty of fairly significant pieces of evidence that the police
are pointing to to say this corroborates our theory, or
at least our decision. We've ruled these deaths a double suicide.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Dear Nasir Lewis, Well, this is in even if it
did happen that way. I want to know more about
these young men. I want to hear about their lives,
their story, like what was going on with them to
get them to this place. I think that it is
a fascinating place to get in learning about twins, like
(18:13):
how do you get to this exact same place of
despair that you want to end your life? Are you
that close with your I don't know. I don't get.
And again I certainly don't get how you could watch
your twin shoot himself in the head and then a
moment later do the same thing to yourself.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You must be desperate and unfortunately not neither one of them,
if this is true, felt like they could share this
with anyone else other than with each other. Now complicating
this mystery just a bit, I wanted to point out
a short time after these two boys' bodies were found,
(18:52):
the body of a thirty eight year old man was
discovered in this same location. That is bizarre. His death
was also classified as a suicide. But get this, all
three of these men lived in Gwinnett County at the
time of their deaths, and all of them ended up
(19:12):
on this mountaintop on Bell Mountain in the North Georgia Mountains,
just five miles away from hiawassee Georgia. And so now
these two families have actually connected because none of them
believe that their loved ones actually died by suicide, and
so they've actually gotten together. They're calling for an independent investigation,
but they say that this other man, this thirty eight
(19:33):
year old, was a generous, well known figure in the
local skateboarding community. He was a caring person. He was
not the type of person who, whatever they say, his
family members say, take his own life. So it just
adds to the mystery that now within the span of
a few months, you have three men all dying by
(19:54):
suicide at the exact same location, all hailing from the
same area, no obvious other known connection between the two.
But certainly it's another puzzling component to a tragic, tragic
situation that doesn't really have a satisfying answer for anybody.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And they are not. We should note the families are
not letting this go and letting this rest. Family, at
least of the twins is looking to hire a private
investigator to look into this independently, and we will keep
an eye on that. But really, this is not, by
any means a closed case. Even if it did happen
(20:31):
the way the authorities say it happened, I still would
like to hear more about this case.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Put yourself in this
family's position, and anybody who felt just completely blindsided by
something this tragic and this horrific with enough question marks,
because you just start to think, if something happened to them,
could someone be covering their tracks by making it look
(20:58):
like a suicide? That is a that is an absolute
genuine response. I mean I understand that. And at the
very least, you just want to make sure you turned
over every rock, you made sure you looked at every
possible scenario before accepting what police just hand to you
and say this is what happened. Because there is no
one saw it happen. There's the only two people who
(21:19):
know what happened, at least from what we know are
those two young men and it's worth an investigation. I
would want to do the same if that were my
family member.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Folks, we'll keep an eye on it. We always appreciate
you hanging with us. For now, I'm TJ. Holmes. I
gonna have of my partner, hemy Robock. We'll talk to
us day
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