September 4, 2025 • 30 mins
Ben talks with Bachelor in Paradise winners - and official couple Andrew and Alexe. They're talking about taking their relationship to the next level...could an engagement be soon? Ben is finding out!
Ben's also getting into the internet backlash, and how the couple feels now about their decision not to tell Bailey the information they knew in Paradise.
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Hey, it's Almost Famous podcast. Been here. We're at the
reunion special with the Bachelor in Paradise cast. I have
the honor edge the pleasure of sitting down with some
of the winners from this season. Andrew and Alex you
(01:08):
have been here forever. You are tired, So I hope
you say all the things that we want to hear. Yeah,
and with.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And tired, we'll just wear you out, wear you out.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Tom. We did sit through the reunion today. Ye I
am going to touch on a few things where there
was some controversy surrounding you two. I didn't even know
that was going to be a part of today. I
didn't know that was even a thing. Really it was
so I need a lot of education on it, but
I'm going to start. It was something that well said.
And we love to quote Wells here. We respect Wells
(01:43):
and love Wells here at the Almost FAM's podcast he said,
and and this is no knock on any other couple here,
I want to be clear on that, but he said
that you two were the cutest couple to see born
from Paradise. How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean, we did pay him, but out of a
pit check that we won.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
But no, I think you know, he Wells was there
the whole time and he was able to observe all
of us, And I feel like coming from him meant
a lot. And I feel like a lot of a
lot of our conversations, a lot of our interactions weren't
shown on the screen unfortunately, and I wish we both
wish that that, I would say.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I would say the biggest thing though, is we hung
out with like the community. Yeah, so it was never
like one on one time with me and Alex. We
were together like next to each other, but we were
always with vaulved with everyone's conversation always like just like
a listening ear to whoever needs to be listening to you.
So like we were. We were just being good cast
(02:47):
mates at the same time. And also just like I
don't know, we just we're byd like you know when
you you're dating someone and you guys hang out in
the kitchen with the family. Yeah, that's that's literally what
it was.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was like, you know, yes, that's strategic and intentional
because I just.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Kind of talking to you.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I'm just such a social butterfly. I say, I love
to like talk to people.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It just felt good to just bounce off of everyone
and then also talk things. It's just like you get
it gets weird to the point where you have to like, Okay,
here's a camera, Canna, you guys sit down, have your
one one talk. Talk about something structure. It's not her
environment like to be in. So I'm just like, why
put her in a situation where it's gonna make her
feel weird. Let's just stay around everyone and if we
(03:25):
have conversations that we want to bring up, you just
tell it to me right now. And that's kind of
how it was. It was just like we would just
bounce off of everyone's at like the whole atmosphere. That's
just kind of how we would imagine.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That actually helped you too when it came to the
end because people were like, no, I know who they
are as a couple.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, exactly, because we were literally two people will be
us to you. We'll talk to this group and we'll
It was just strategic.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But when you think about it, I think it did
help us.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Like with Keith and Kathy, like I owe it to
them that we I think the last's backstabbing challenge that
we want because we got so close to them that
they were like, we couldn't vote for you for anything,
And I was like, if it wasn't for that, I
don't think we would have won. So I owe them
my life. But I think I just planted, not planted
seat that's not a good word, but we.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Were we were just friendly and I don't think like
we never got outside of ourselves. We never changed up,
we never switched up who we were. I think like
throughout the whole show, we just stayed consistent regardless of
the money. Before the money, we were the same. After
the morning, we were the exact same. And if we
would have went set at home, we got set home.
But like, we won the money, so everybody else I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Skidding, but yeah, but yeah, we're gonna get the money
and what it's going towards. We saw a little clip
at the end of the episode. I wonder, and forgive me,
you haven't been on Paradise before. This is your first time,
this is your second, Yeah, the second time on Paradise. Yeah,
did you feel like Andrew, this was like your ability
to kind of do this was different because of this
(04:48):
new environment, structure, kind of the new paradise.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I find it extremely funny when people are like, oh,
this isn't. This isn't the paradise I know and love, Like,
this isn't They're not. They're they're doing these challenges and
like we're doing something like if you're on those old beaches,
you're you're sitting around waiting for a date card or
someone to come down, Like you don't you don't really
do anything, and the majority of the date or the
show or the episode is someone on a date, so
(05:13):
it's like, instead of like that, you just put a
challenge in there, so everyone's on the date basically. And
I thought it was more fun, like for me, like
being able to interact with Alex and like everyone else
in a competitive way and a fun way. After every
challenge you come back and talk about it, talk about
something that you did. I thought it was I thought
it was massive, you know, it did so much for everyone.
(05:36):
I think it's just way better than my first experience
in Paradise. It was hotter there obviously, and I was
just more comfortable, but also it was just it was
easier to talk to people, easier to you know, just
live there and be understand, like understand where you're at
in the environment. So I'm a massive fan. Obviously, the
(05:56):
voting out things kind of tough with you know, you
not knowing exactly everyone's how far along they are in
their couples. But other than that, like keep the challenges like.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You loved it. Oh my god, I haven't asked anybody
that yet. I mean, and I don't know, challenge many
people who have been there before. Kat obviously Hm Sean,
I think was in Paradise before. But you're the first
person I thought about asking that too. Yeah, did you
enjoy it? Outside of this beautiful thing?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
It was just fun, Like we enjoyed. We had things
like we didn't get any of the keys really when
we were locked in.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The box, but it was still so much fun.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
We had a great time, Like we were cracking up
the tent. One was amazing, Like I thought that was
one of the that was my favorite thing of that
was the best. Yeah, and it was the most, like
I get, I was the most tested in that relationship test.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Oh my god, dude, I over promised.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, I over promised, And I said, oh I am
a good I'm like a camper.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I'm a camper. I know how to pitch a tent
and up there, I didn't know how.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. And then like
she's like she's like, she's like you need to have
more patience. I'm like looking at I'm dripping. We just
like break down laughing, which was like one of my
favorite parts as well. Like we just like I'm just
like I'm pissed off, but I like we just start
busting out laughing, and I was like, wow, okay, like
it's really not that big of a deal, Like I
(07:13):
can relax, Like I know I'm getting like heightened by
this challenge, but at the end of the day, you're
just like kind.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Of gives like a not an insight, but like into what.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Maybe future hurdles working together.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
It's like, you know, you were pissed off, but at
the end of like it's not that serious and laughing.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So I think it helped in that sense to like
work as a team.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah. No, And then we kept saying that like being
the best team, like we just need to keep you
just need to be a good team. And you were like, okay,
I'll be a good teammate then, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean, and it is one of the like most
endearing things about your relationship. And I when Will said
it earlier, I sat back and I was like, it's true.
You guys laugh a lot. Yeah, and you do. And
and I think there was a moment this season that
I actually got protective watching it because people were kind
of criticizing you guys or your childlike behavior. Yeah, is
(08:08):
that Okay, So with that being said, is that something
you want to keep in your relationship?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I will up this morning, That's the first thing I said.
I said, and my favorite thing about our relationship is
our childlike banter. I wouldn't like this, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
It's we have so much fun, like yeah, why?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
And then also like we come from really tough backgrounds
like life, like growing up. And I think one of
the things that she told me it was like there
wasn't a lot of like love or happiness in the house,
like and I was total opposite, like same situation, but
my situation was just absolute love, absolute happiness because of
(08:44):
like our family, so like my family structure, even though
we were struggling, everything was like not perfect. We just
loved to laugh and love to be around each other.
So I don't care when people say it's like, oh
they're childish. That is what I will always have in
my household is a Canty'll be like, okay, hey, we
can laugh about it. It's not that serious. And I
always tell her, I was like, never panic, it's never like,
(09:07):
don't make a bad situation worse. So I'm just like,
what am I gonna do? Like being super serious about things.
It doesn't change how we're going to approach it everything.
We're gonna do things the best our ability, and we're
gonna have fun doing it. So that's kind of like how.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I almost lost my passport coming here and I didn't panics.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, I was just I was just like, I was like, Okay, relax,
and then she's like, oh, found it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I was like, look at that. I mean, I think
the only reason you could criticize it would be if
it isn't progressing your relationship.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So as you sit here today, it's been a few
months since Paradise ended, you're still arm in arm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh no, we have our battles, Like we're not like
laughing through all times.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Has your relationship I'm upset and then we'll be laughing.
You'll say you're joking. I'd yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
A very serious person. People don't understand this.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I will say.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I'm not like just giggles all the time, Like I
have a I lock in, Like when I need to
be locked in, I'm like, I just don't take every
situation too seriously, Like you can't be taking everything too
seriously in life. Like everyone's like he's thirty making tiktoks
with Greg. Yeah, because we're having a great fucking time living.
But like it's just like it's just a lifestyle thing,
(10:18):
Like I don't wanna, I don't wanna like that is
my favorite part of my life is being light and
being able to share laughter with people. And I think
laughing with Alex on the beach was like the match
made in heaven for me.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
So I'm like, if you know, it's gonna sound so corny,
but I always say I want to be eighty years
old on a porch with my person and old and wrinkly,
and if I can just have a good time or
just be, you know, laughing on that porch with you,
that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Your nervous with your hands out though, because we do
need Andrew to walk out of here today, I will not.
We needed him to stand up at some point, and
we're good this season. I'm not even like a I'm kidding,
you know, how do you feel watching that? I do
want to know that scene.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's like that's like us though, Like if you watch
a couple episodes before, she was like, oh my god,
my coochie sweaty or something like that, and I'm like Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Just like I have no filter.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's sound like a gross thing either. We're not like
we don't have like we have manners. It's your mic,
you know what I mean. So like people can hear
cloud loudly because it's on a mic. It's like screaming
from the rafters at a time and place. And No,
we're just very comfortable with each other. She's got that
like international vibe to you, where like they're overly comfortable
(11:35):
with like sections.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Some international I'm from Canada and it's.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So comfortable talking about my friends.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And he was like, I'm sitting there and they're They're
like they're just way too close. I'm like, I'm like
waiting for some video or me or something like the
pop up. I'm just like, whoa are showing everybody?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
But definitely that we're just.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Know your culture. Your culture is unhinged.
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this is so good. I'm not the relationship expert. I'm
not the one that like be the judger of good
(13:55):
in this. I just think it's fun and I think
was is right. It's cute. I think it's something that
not every couple can have, but when it does exist,
it's a beautiful thing. This is nothing, but hey, I
loved watching it. I loved your dynamic. I think it
was so fun and I do think it is one
of the reasons why you two made it to the end,
and I was so happy you did. One of the cutest,
(14:17):
most emotional moments for me this whole season was at
the very end when you get up and you meet
Andrew on the plateau and you said, I'm not good
at giving speeches, and he goes, I know, I know,
And it just felt like he knew you in that
moment so much more than I would expect him to
for the time being. I want to also add into this,
(14:40):
you said during the reunion that you're awkward. I think
these two things go together. Tell us about what that
means to you to be awkward, to know that you're
not going to be good at it, and for him
just to look at you and smile so I.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Think it's almost like that moment where I'm just backing
up a little bit when we expressed or feelings to
each other and I was nervous to say I love
you and you said, you know, he held my hand
and he said it first.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
It was at first I didn't know where you're going.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, right, but you took my hand
because you knew how much I struggled with that word,
of course, and you stepped up. And I feel like
again when I walked to the plateau and he said,
I said, I'm not good with speech, it just felt
like such a safe space and like you knew me
exactly and you understand where I was coming from, and
you didn't care if the speech was oscar worthy.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
It just came from the heart.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
And I felt like, for anything my awkwardness, you just
don't see me.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You don't see it as a negative.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Really moments I don't think that like and.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I just want to.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Not almost with my friends. That's the thing. A lot
of it is the language bearer.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I'm going to be honest, Like, I know I don't
have an accent, but that's because I'm a speech therapist
and I learned not how to not have to have
an screen, not to have an accent.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But with my friends, I'm not that awkward. I'm like, no,
I think with cameras, I get it happens. It happens, right.
But to answer your.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Question, and the crazy part is like she's been in
like series for acting, like in like Canada and everything.
I'm like, how, like how do you do this?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And it's.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Like I've seen her reels. I'm like, you you memorize
all and you did all this.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You memorize.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You can't. You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You can't say words what love does.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, it makes you just exactly. But it just made me.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And then I saw these clips of Zindia and I
was like, oh my god, you guys are the exact
same person.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Right, and she's not getting crucified for it now.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
She's like super socially awkward like in interviews, and I
was just like, this looks like like like Alex and
sounds like Alex.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, she'll do a finger snaps anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But yeah, it felt really nice to just feel safe enough.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It feel safe watching it. It did. It felt as
a viewer. It was a good moment for you and me.
At home being like this is feels really healthy and happy,
and yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Think you hadn't seen that throughout the season, right, And
it was the first time that we saw how like
we can.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I also people were like, this is so random, how
did they even get to here? It's just you know,
we like and that's why I like we used the
level thing as well. It's like it was just like
we just kept building, you know what I mean, just
kept going, just keep stacking each day and just like
trying to find each other that way instead of like
trying to create this grand like love story. I don't
(17:28):
think that was in my head this this time around.
I wasn't looking for, you know, a rom com situation.
It just actually just happened, and like that was like
the best part about it. And I didn't want to
like mess that up by trying to like curate a
way to make this look a certain way.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It just and one more thing I wanted to add
is one thing that Andrew did that really made it
for me real And I was like, this is the
kind of guy I want to be with. Is you know,
I'm an open book and I will tell Selmer story
to tell a lot of people. I think that's the
way I cope. But did you you know I told
my story in my background how I grew up and you.
But one time, one night, we had to make a
really tough decision and I was really in my head
(18:04):
and I was and he looked at me and he said,
do you think that you're it's hard for you right
now because you don't like to let people down. And
it was like there right there, And then I was like, wow,
didn't he didn't only listen to my store, but he's
kind of like trying to understand why I act.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
The way I act. That was like, I just felt
very hard. So that was kind of like the AHA
moment for me.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I was like, Okay, you're just solidifying it's the cutest
couple in Paradise. I'm gonna ask you some tough questions. Okay, good.
We are going to talk about some of the not
so pretty parts of Paradise. But before I do that,
I'm just going to transition into keeping on relationship topics. Okay,
have you talked about getting engaged?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Uh? Yeah, we flirt around with it. We just, like
I said, one step at a time. I think moving
in is the next step. We're doing long distance right now,
which is you know, pretty good since I don't like
work like a nine to five, so I'm able to
travel like I'll be here for the next like six
days and then I fly out somewhere and then yeah,
we just we just keep navigating. We have a really
(19:04):
healthy like phone to FaceTime ratio. I feel like we
just breathe on FaceTime nowadays. We don't even say words,
but it just feels like you're next to them.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So we do.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Like I'll in the future when this happens or when
I'm in Italy in my white gown.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, but we talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
But what we're going to do, we like to do.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Serious like right now or just yeah, we like scrapped
everything and just started dating, Like we took everything from
bachelorin Paradise and just like okay, reset right here, and
we just did this outside.
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(20:28):
My wife and I dated long distance for three years.
That's crazy different parts of you. But yeah, she We're
writing letters and hoping she got it the week later.
We had one rule in our relationship long distance, and
(20:49):
it was never leave each other without having the next
visit planned. So it could be a month from now,
it could be two months from now, but we knew
when we were going to see each other again. Yeah,
it just got excited. It helped just keep us like
in a rhythm.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And what do you want to do when we for
this day? Yeah, you could just start planning.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So my one piece of advice would be to leave
each other without at least some meeting on the books.
I love that, you know. Obviously a huge moment during
the reunion and paradise was this tweet social media conversation
and lack of support that felt like wasn't given to
the right people at the right time. I just want
(21:29):
to give you to the really because I could ask
the questions. It felt like I would just make it
more confusing. I want to give you to the opportunity
to speak into that situation and as much transparency as
you can on why you made the decisions you did,
what your intentions were behind it, and where you think
you went wrong or where maybe the communication wasn't clear.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I'll start.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, So, I, as I've mentioned before, you know, going
into Paradise, I was really close with Jeremy and we
would FaceTime pretty much every day as friends, and he
had told me that he was friends with he was
really interested in Bailey, So going in I knew that,
and so I would say I had a stronger relationship
with Jeremy at the time, and then I was rooming
with Bailey, and you know, I wasn't close with her before,
(22:13):
but I've learned to really, really, you know, like her.
So when the whole Susie thing happened, knowing Jeremy, I
just thought that it was a moment of I think
of weakness where you know, his ego was bruised.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Do I think it was an idiot move, absolutely, but
I think it was on a spur of the moment,
like oh, you told me you wanted me, and then
you want to go let me call Susie.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Still not okay. Had I known.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
What I know now, and regardless, I should have just
told her. I regret that and I've owned up to it.
And then the next day, you know, he told me
that they had talked, not necessarily about that phone call,
but they had talked and they were good with the
with with the date and everything. So I saw the
potential and the relationship, and I knew how much he
liked her because he told me on the side, he
was like, I really like Bailey, and especially that Susie
(23:01):
was in the picture, and that he said that he
was interested in Susie two For him to pick Bailey,
I was like, he must really like her. So I
didn't see me telling Bailey beneficial to her and their relationship.
And that is the only reason I didn't tell her,
was kind of to you know, support Jeremy and me,
like you acted like a fool.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You have to tell her, and you will. I thought
he was going to do it, but yeah, that was basically.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Was there ever a moment that you felt like I
should tell her?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
No?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Because I didn't know the extent I really didn't think
the phone call was a big deal. We never that
was a moment in time where did you tell her
we should tell her okay, move on? And I locked
in on Andrew and we never thought about it again.
I didn't even think it was going to be a
conversation in the whole season.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Never thought about it. I was like, Oh, it's done, perfect,
be acting like a fool, you know, never until you know.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Of course, when producers come in and they're like, it's
gonna look bad, and you're like, I was so confused.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I was like, it's gonna look bad? What do you
mean everyone? No, I didn't know. Everyone knew. Yeah, I
thought he had come to me and Andrew, but yeah,
you know, so it's always twenty twenty and tough, but
and then anything bad.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah. I have a different point of view of it,
Like if people like been watching me for a while,
I don't like every single season I've been on, I've
had the exact same thing happen. Literally, first season was
a bachelorette. I got mad at a couple of people
for telling on Thomas. I'm like, like, why are you
wasting time trying to talk about someone else's relationship? Other
than yours. And then it happened in Paradise with me
(24:29):
when I was dating Brittany Casey had like was trying
to talk about how Pizza Pete called her a cloud
chaser while I was with her, I was just like,
what is your angle? Like what do you what do
you stand in the game for this, Like I don't
understand when people try to intervene themselves in someone else's relationship.
I just felt like it's like a I want to
be a hero type of thing. So that's just for me.
(24:51):
For the Brian situation is completely different. I believe that
it was just not my business. I right off the
jump when Jeremy told me, I was like, bro, you
should tell her, like you're omitting information, Like that's worse
than like min it's lying. And he's like, oh, it
is that a big deal? I mean like it's whatever.
Like it literally was not an apparent conversation that happened
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throughout weeks, like I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Like and to me too, I was like, you know,
I told him, so you know they're gonna air this
and he was like no, like we're good, it's not
a big deal.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
So I thought in my head. I was like, Okay,
must really not be a big deal if you're so
confident that they're not area.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And then like and then we're watching Bailey and John
or Jeremy grow and we're just like, oh wow, this
is a really good solid couple. Like I'm why would
anyone even like think of like trying to ruin that
unless it's for personal game, So like that's my thing,
And then like going into the whole bro code thing,
like here's my thing. I'm gonna tell you I still
(25:45):
stand on it, like I think, I think the way
it was edited, it was turned like my conversation with
what's his name Brian a different way my thing was
is like you're you're seeing with him running on the beach,
like I'm with these guys, I'm seeing him. I'm like,
oh dang. Jeremy and Brian are app up at it early,
eat eating lunch together, even eating breakfast together. Brian is
(26:08):
in Jeremy's room NonStop. Him, Jeremy and in Dale three
peas in a pod, Like you would have known that
Jonathan was Brian's roommate because he was always in Jeremy's room.
And I'm just like that is so odd to me
that my friend wouldn't come tell me and be like, hey, man,
I think you're being an asshole and you need to
go tell her. If you don't, I'm gonna go tell her.
(26:29):
Then I'm like, that is not a good friend. I
bro code probably should be word to use. Obviously it's
gotten tarnished and like from some, but that's not the
bro code I live by. The brokeode I live by
is like, if my friend is doing something, I'm gonna
check him and hold him accountable for it. Okay, but
it's not my job to do it for him, you
know what I mean. It's not my responsibility. It is
(26:49):
Jeremy's responsibility only to tell her, you know what I mean?
And then when you when and when he did, like
she still like took him back. So it's like, what
was the whole point of tell is saying anything? You
know what I mean? So it was never my business
to begin with because people are gonna do whatever they
want to do. So that's why I was like, I
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always stay out of it. Obviously you're in a whole
different situation being a roommate. And I feel for Bailey
for that, like, but for me and for a lot
of the people who who like besides like Brian, Brian
had every right to tell her not I was never
mad at him for telling It's just it was sleazy.
You knew you could tell it wasn't because that he
(27:31):
felt like Bailey should know. If that was the case,
he would have said it as soon as Jeremy said
something he should have told, But he waited until, like
Jeremy dangled, like letting him go over his head one
episode doing the Godfather thing and he's like, I won't
take being and talk to you lightly, Like I'm just like,
the evidence is there, But nothing wrong with him telling.
(27:52):
I just I just knew in that moment's intentions were
not pure and it's just and we didn't know the
full conversation and the full damage of what was going on,
so like in my eyes, I was just like, oh,
it's just a phone call, Like why are you going
behind his back to talk about a phone call? Like
there's a moment of lapse, Like that's something he should
have said. Looking back on it, it was pretty bad,
(28:14):
you know what I mean. Just obviously seeing that and
watching that back, I feel for Bailey, like that sucks
in that situation. And I see Bryant's point, But my
thing is, Brian did it at an opportune time for himself.
He did not do it when it first happened, then
he should he waited for Like, I didn't even know
that secret rendezvous was gonna happen. So what happens the
rendezvous challenge never happened? Do you not say anything? You
(28:36):
know what I mean? Like, that's the that's what I'm well.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And it's aired. No, you're right, and it's aired, and
the two of them are to together and that's what's
important today. Celebrate that. Yea is I just sat with
him with Bailey and Jeremy, and they're as strong as
I could have ever expected.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And this saw that.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, and this was a small little blimp on your guys.
Beautiful story. Final question for you, Right, you got a
lot of money. I don't how much you money did
you get from this? Where's that money going?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, we signed, so it's we're both getting split like
sixty two something. I offered to give her my half,
but she said no. But the sixty is still on
the table if she wants to take it. But we'll
just figure out if you want to do something together that.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Said no, by courtesy, baby, don't bet. Don't bet for me.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I think financially the smartest move. I mean, I mean,
the conversion rate Canadian to U West is pretty good,
So I'm going to try to pay as much as
my student loan as I can. I think that's the
smartest move. I wish I had I could use that
money to save up for a house, but it's going
to go to the student loans, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's nice Andrew to offer that to you. Yeah, and
we're so happy as a Bachelor nation that you're going
to be able to help pay off some of those
student loans. That's so exciting, a whole new chapter in life,
not only financially but also romantically. Yeah, we're celebrating you here.
Congratulations again to the cutest couple to come from Bachelor
(30:03):
in Paradise this season, Andrew and Alex. Thank you for
joining the Almost Famous podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Hey, it's Almost Famous podcast. Been here. We're at the
reunion special with the Bachelor in Paradise cast. I have
the honor edge the pleasure of sitting down with some
of the winners from this season. Andrew and Alex you
(01:08):
have been here forever. You are tired, So I hope
you say all the things that we want to hear. Yeah,
and with.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And tired, we'll just wear you out, wear you out.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Tom. We did sit through the reunion today. Ye I
am going to touch on a few things where there
was some controversy surrounding you two. I didn't even know
that was going to be a part of today. I
didn't know that was even a thing. Really it was
so I need a lot of education on it, but
I'm going to start. It was something that well said.
And we love to quote Wells here. We respect Wells
(01:43):
and love Wells here at the Almost FAM's podcast he said,
and and this is no knock on any other couple here,
I want to be clear on that, but he said
that you two were the cutest couple to see born
from Paradise. How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean, we did pay him, but out of a
pit check that we won.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
But no, I think you know, he Wells was there
the whole time and he was able to observe all
of us, And I feel like coming from him meant
a lot. And I feel like a lot of a
lot of our conversations, a lot of our interactions weren't
shown on the screen unfortunately, and I wish we both
wish that that, I would say.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I would say the biggest thing though, is we hung
out with like the community. Yeah, so it was never
like one on one time with me and Alex. We
were together like next to each other, but we were
always with vaulved with everyone's conversation always like just like
a listening ear to whoever needs to be listening to you.
So like we were. We were just being good cast
(02:47):
mates at the same time. And also just like I
don't know, we just we're byd like you know when
you you're dating someone and you guys hang out in
the kitchen with the family. Yeah, that's that's literally what
it was.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was like, you know, yes, that's strategic and intentional
because I just.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Kind of talking to you.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I'm just such a social butterfly. I say, I love
to like talk to people.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It just felt good to just bounce off of everyone
and then also talk things. It's just like you get
it gets weird to the point where you have to like, Okay,
here's a camera, Canna, you guys sit down, have your
one one talk. Talk about something structure. It's not her
environment like to be in. So I'm just like, why
put her in a situation where it's gonna make her
feel weird. Let's just stay around everyone and if we
(03:25):
have conversations that we want to bring up, you just
tell it to me right now. And that's kind of
how it was. It was just like we would just
bounce off of everyone's at like the whole atmosphere. That's
just kind of how we would imagine.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
That actually helped you too when it came to the
end because people were like, no, I know who they
are as a couple.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, exactly, because we were literally two people will be
us to you. We'll talk to this group and we'll
It was just strategic.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But when you think about it, I think it did
help us.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Like with Keith and Kathy, like I owe it to
them that we I think the last's backstabbing challenge that
we want because we got so close to them that
they were like, we couldn't vote for you for anything,
And I was like, if it wasn't for that, I
don't think we would have won. So I owe them
my life. But I think I just planted, not planted
seat that's not a good word, but we.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Were we were just friendly and I don't think like
we never got outside of ourselves. We never changed up,
we never switched up who we were. I think like
throughout the whole show, we just stayed consistent regardless of
the money. Before the money, we were the same. After
the morning, we were the exact same. And if we
would have went set at home, we got set home.
But like, we won the money, so everybody else I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Skidding, but yeah, but yeah, we're gonna get the money
and what it's going towards. We saw a little clip
at the end of the episode. I wonder, and forgive me,
you haven't been on Paradise before. This is your first time,
this is your second, Yeah, the second time on Paradise. Yeah,
did you feel like Andrew, this was like your ability
to kind of do this was different because of this
(04:48):
new environment, structure, kind of the new paradise.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I find it extremely funny when people are like, oh,
this isn't. This isn't the paradise I know and love, Like,
this isn't They're not. They're they're doing these challenges and
like we're doing something like if you're on those old beaches,
you're you're sitting around waiting for a date card or
someone to come down, Like you don't you don't really
do anything, and the majority of the date or the
show or the episode is someone on a date, so
(05:13):
it's like, instead of like that, you just put a
challenge in there, so everyone's on the date basically. And
I thought it was more fun, like for me, like
being able to interact with Alex and like everyone else
in a competitive way and a fun way. After every
challenge you come back and talk about it, talk about
something that you did. I thought it was I thought
it was massive, you know, it did so much for everyone.
(05:36):
I think it's just way better than my first experience
in Paradise. It was hotter there obviously, and I was
just more comfortable, but also it was just it was
easier to talk to people, easier to you know, just
live there and be understand, like understand where you're at
in the environment. So I'm a massive fan. Obviously, the
(05:56):
voting out things kind of tough with you know, you
not knowing exactly everyone's how far along they are in
their couples. But other than that, like keep the challenges like.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You loved it. Oh my god, I haven't asked anybody
that yet. I mean, and I don't know, challenge many
people who have been there before. Kat obviously Hm Sean,
I think was in Paradise before. But you're the first
person I thought about asking that too. Yeah, did you
enjoy it? Outside of this beautiful thing?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
It was just fun, Like we enjoyed. We had things
like we didn't get any of the keys really when
we were locked in.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The box, but it was still so much fun.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
We had a great time, Like we were cracking up
the tent. One was amazing, Like I thought that was
one of the that was my favorite thing of that
was the best. Yeah, and it was the most, like
I get, I was the most tested in that relationship test.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Oh my god, dude, I over promised.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, I over promised, And I said, oh I am
a good I'm like a camper.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I'm a camper. I know how to pitch a tent
and up there, I didn't know how.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. And then like
she's like she's like, she's like you need to have
more patience. I'm like looking at I'm dripping. We just
like break down laughing, which was like one of my
favorite parts as well. Like we just like I'm just
like I'm pissed off, but I like we just start
busting out laughing, and I was like, wow, okay, like
it's really not that big of a deal, Like I
(07:13):
can relax, Like I know I'm getting like heightened by
this challenge, but at the end of the day, you're
just like kind.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Of gives like a not an insight, but like into what.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Maybe future hurdles working together.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
It's like, you know, you were pissed off, but at
the end of like it's not that serious and laughing.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
So I think it helped in that sense to like
work as a team.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah. No, And then we kept saying that like being
the best team, like we just need to keep you
just need to be a good team. And you were like, okay,
I'll be a good teammate then, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean, and it is one of the like most
endearing things about your relationship. And I when Will said
it earlier, I sat back and I was like, it's true.
You guys laugh a lot. Yeah, and you do. And
and I think there was a moment this season that
I actually got protective watching it because people were kind
of criticizing you guys or your childlike behavior. Yeah, is
(08:08):
that Okay, So with that being said, is that something
you want to keep in your relationship?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I will up this morning, That's the first thing I said.
I said, and my favorite thing about our relationship is
our childlike banter. I wouldn't like this, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
It's we have so much fun, like yeah, why?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
And then also like we come from really tough backgrounds
like life, like growing up. And I think one of
the things that she told me it was like there
wasn't a lot of like love or happiness in the house,
like and I was total opposite, like same situation, but
my situation was just absolute love, absolute happiness because of
(08:44):
like our family, so like my family structure, even though
we were struggling, everything was like not perfect. We just
loved to laugh and love to be around each other.
So I don't care when people say it's like, oh
they're childish. That is what I will always have in
my household is a Canty'll be like, okay, hey, we
can laugh about it. It's not that serious. And I
always tell her, I was like, never panic, it's never like,
(09:07):
don't make a bad situation worse. So I'm just like,
what am I gonna do? Like being super serious about things.
It doesn't change how we're going to approach it everything.
We're gonna do things the best our ability, and we're
gonna have fun doing it. So that's kind of like how.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I almost lost my passport coming here and I didn't panics.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, I was just I was just like, I was like, Okay, relax,
and then she's like, oh, found it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I was like, look at that. I mean, I think
the only reason you could criticize it would be if
it isn't progressing your relationship.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So as you sit here today, it's been a few
months since Paradise ended, you're still arm in arm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh no, we have our battles, Like we're not like
laughing through all times.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Has your relationship I'm upset and then we'll be laughing.
You'll say you're joking. I'd yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
A very serious person. People don't understand this.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I will say.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I'm not like just giggles all the time, Like I
have a I lock in, Like when I need to
be locked in, I'm like, I just don't take every
situation too seriously, Like you can't be taking everything too
seriously in life. Like everyone's like he's thirty making tiktoks
with Greg. Yeah, because we're having a great fucking time living.
But like it's just like it's just a lifestyle thing,
(10:18):
Like I don't wanna, I don't wanna like that is
my favorite part of my life is being light and
being able to share laughter with people. And I think
laughing with Alex on the beach was like the match
made in heaven for me.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
So I'm like, if you know, it's gonna sound so corny,
but I always say I want to be eighty years
old on a porch with my person and old and wrinkly,
and if I can just have a good time or
just be, you know, laughing on that porch with you,
that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Your nervous with your hands out though, because we do
need Andrew to walk out of here today, I will not.
We needed him to stand up at some point, and
we're good this season. I'm not even like a I'm kidding,
you know, how do you feel watching that? I do
want to know that scene.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's like that's like us though, Like if you watch
a couple episodes before, she was like, oh my god,
my coochie sweaty or something like that, and I'm like Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Just like I have no filter.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's sound like a gross thing either. We're not like
we don't have like we have manners. It's your mic,
you know what I mean. So like people can hear
cloud loudly because it's on a mic. It's like screaming
from the rafters at a time and place. And No,
we're just very comfortable with each other. She's got that
like international vibe to you, where like they're overly comfortable
(11:35):
with like sections.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Some international I'm from Canada and it's.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So comfortable talking about my friends.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And he was like, I'm sitting there and they're They're
like they're just way too close. I'm like, I'm like
waiting for some video or me or something like the
pop up. I'm just like, whoa are showing everybody?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
But definitely that we're just.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Know your culture. Your culture is unhinged.
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(13:55):
in this. I just think it's fun and I think
was is right. It's cute. I think it's something that
not every couple can have, but when it does exist,
it's a beautiful thing. This is nothing, but hey, I
loved watching it. I loved your dynamic. I think it
was so fun and I do think it is one
of the reasons why you two made it to the end,
and I was so happy you did. One of the cutest,
(14:17):
most emotional moments for me this whole season was at
the very end when you get up and you meet
Andrew on the plateau and you said, I'm not good
at giving speeches, and he goes, I know, I know,
And it just felt like he knew you in that
moment so much more than I would expect him to
for the time being. I want to also add into this,
(14:40):
you said during the reunion that you're awkward. I think
these two things go together. Tell us about what that
means to you to be awkward, to know that you're
not going to be good at it, and for him
just to look at you and smile so I.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Think it's almost like that moment where I'm just backing
up a little bit when we expressed or feelings to
each other and I was nervous to say I love
you and you said, you know, he held my hand
and he said it first.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
It was at first I didn't know where you're going.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, right, but you took my hand
because you knew how much I struggled with that word,
of course, and you stepped up. And I feel like
again when I walked to the plateau and he said,
I said, I'm not good with speech, it just felt
like such a safe space and like you knew me
exactly and you understand where I was coming from, and
you didn't care if the speech was oscar worthy.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
It just came from the heart.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
And I felt like, for anything my awkwardness, you just
don't see me.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You don't see it as a negative.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Really moments I don't think that like and.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I just want to.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Not almost with my friends. That's the thing. A lot
of it is the language bearer.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I'm going to be honest, Like, I know I don't
have an accent, but that's because I'm a speech therapist
and I learned not how to not have to have
an screen, not to have an accent.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But with my friends, I'm not that awkward. I'm like, no,
I think with cameras, I get it happens. It happens, right.
But to answer your.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Question, and the crazy part is like she's been in
like series for acting, like in like Canada and everything.
I'm like, how, like how do you do this?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And it's.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Like I've seen her reels. I'm like, you you memorize
all and you did all this.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You memorize.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You can't. You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You can't say words what love does.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, it makes you just exactly. But it just made me.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And then I saw these clips of Zindia and I
was like, oh my god, you guys are the exact
same person.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Right, and she's not getting crucified for it now.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
She's like super socially awkward like in interviews, and I
was just like, this looks like like like Alex and
sounds like Alex.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, she'll do a finger snaps anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But yeah, it felt really nice to just feel safe enough.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It feel safe watching it. It did. It felt as
a viewer. It was a good moment for you and me.
At home being like this is feels really healthy and happy,
and yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Think you hadn't seen that throughout the season, right, And
it was the first time that we saw how like
we can.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I also people were like, this is so random, how
did they even get to here? It's just you know,
we like and that's why I like we used the
level thing as well. It's like it was just like
we just kept building, you know what I mean, just
kept going, just keep stacking each day and just like
trying to find each other that way instead of like
trying to create this grand like love story. I don't
(17:28):
think that was in my head this this time around.
I wasn't looking for, you know, a rom com situation.
It just actually just happened, and like that was like
the best part about it. And I didn't want to
like mess that up by trying to like curate a
way to make this look a certain way.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It just and one more thing I wanted to add
is one thing that Andrew did that really made it
for me real And I was like, this is the
kind of guy I want to be with. Is you know,
I'm an open book and I will tell Selmer story
to tell a lot of people. I think that's the
way I cope. But did you you know I told
my story in my background how I grew up and you.
But one time, one night, we had to make a
really tough decision and I was really in my head
(18:04):
and I was and he looked at me and he said,
do you think that you're it's hard for you right
now because you don't like to let people down. And
it was like there right there, And then I was like, wow,
didn't he didn't only listen to my store, but he's
kind of like trying to understand why I act.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
The way I act. That was like, I just felt
very hard. So that was kind of like the AHA
moment for me.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I was like, Okay, you're just solidifying it's the cutest
couple in Paradise. I'm gonna ask you some tough questions. Okay, good.
We are going to talk about some of the not
so pretty parts of Paradise. But before I do that,
I'm just going to transition into keeping on relationship topics. Okay,
have you talked about getting engaged?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Uh? Yeah, we flirt around with it. We just, like
I said, one step at a time. I think moving
in is the next step. We're doing long distance right now,
which is you know, pretty good since I don't like
work like a nine to five, so I'm able to
travel like I'll be here for the next like six
days and then I fly out somewhere and then yeah,
we just we just keep navigating. We have a really
(19:04):
healthy like phone to FaceTime ratio. I feel like we
just breathe on FaceTime nowadays. We don't even say words,
but it just feels like you're next to them.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So we do.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Like I'll in the future when this happens or when
I'm in Italy in my white gown.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, but we talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
But what we're going to do, we like to do.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Serious like right now or just yeah, we like scrapped
everything and just started dating, Like we took everything from
bachelorin Paradise and just like okay, reset right here, and
we just did this outside.
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(20:28):
My wife and I dated long distance for three years.
That's crazy different parts of you. But yeah, she We're
writing letters and hoping she got it the week later.
We had one rule in our relationship long distance, and
(20:49):
it was never leave each other without having the next
visit planned. So it could be a month from now,
it could be two months from now, but we knew
when we were going to see each other again. Yeah,
it just got excited. It helped just keep us like
in a rhythm.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And what do you want to do when we for
this day? Yeah, you could just start planning.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So my one piece of advice would be to leave
each other without at least some meeting on the books.
I love that, you know. Obviously a huge moment during
the reunion and paradise was this tweet social media conversation
and lack of support that felt like wasn't given to
the right people at the right time. I just want
(21:29):
to give you to the really because I could ask
the questions. It felt like I would just make it
more confusing. I want to give you to the opportunity
to speak into that situation and as much transparency as
you can on why you made the decisions you did,
what your intentions were behind it, and where you think
you went wrong or where maybe the communication wasn't clear.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I'll start.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, So, I, as I've mentioned before, you know, going
into Paradise, I was really close with Jeremy and we
would FaceTime pretty much every day as friends, and he
had told me that he was friends with he was
really interested in Bailey, So going in I knew that,
and so I would say I had a stronger relationship
with Jeremy at the time, and then I was rooming
with Bailey, and you know, I wasn't close with her before,
(22:13):
but I've learned to really, really, you know, like her.
So when the whole Susie thing happened, knowing Jeremy, I
just thought that it was a moment of I think
of weakness where you know, his ego was bruised.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Do I think it was an idiot move, absolutely, but
I think it was on a spur of the moment,
like oh, you told me you wanted me, and then
you want to go let me call Susie.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Still not okay. Had I known.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
What I know now, and regardless, I should have just
told her. I regret that and I've owned up to it.
And then the next day, you know, he told me
that they had talked, not necessarily about that phone call,
but they had talked and they were good with the
with with the date and everything. So I saw the
potential and the relationship, and I knew how much he
liked her because he told me on the side, he
was like, I really like Bailey, and especially that Susie
(23:01):
was in the picture, and that he said that he
was interested in Susie two For him to pick Bailey,
I was like, he must really like her. So I
didn't see me telling Bailey beneficial to her and their relationship.
And that is the only reason I didn't tell her,
was kind of to you know, support Jeremy and me,
like you acted like a fool.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You have to tell her, and you will. I thought
he was going to do it, but yeah, that was basically.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Was there ever a moment that you felt like I
should tell her?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
No?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Because I didn't know the extent I really didn't think
the phone call was a big deal. We never that
was a moment in time where did you tell her
we should tell her okay, move on? And I locked
in on Andrew and we never thought about it again.
I didn't even think it was going to be a
conversation in the whole season.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Never thought about it. I was like, Oh, it's done, perfect,
be acting like a fool, you know, never until you know.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Of course, when producers come in and they're like, it's
gonna look bad, and you're like, I was so confused.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I was like, it's gonna look bad? What do you
mean everyone? No, I didn't know. Everyone knew. Yeah, I
thought he had come to me and Andrew, but yeah,
you know, so it's always twenty twenty and tough, but
and then anything bad.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah. I have a different point of view of it,
Like if people like been watching me for a while,
I don't like every single season I've been on, I've
had the exact same thing happen. Literally, first season was
a bachelorette. I got mad at a couple of people
for telling on Thomas. I'm like, like, why are you
wasting time trying to talk about someone else's relationship? Other
than yours. And then it happened in Paradise with me
(24:29):
when I was dating Brittany Casey had like was trying
to talk about how Pizza Pete called her a cloud
chaser while I was with her, I was just like,
what is your angle? Like what do you what do
you stand in the game for this, Like I don't
understand when people try to intervene themselves in someone else's relationship.
I just felt like it's like a I want to
be a hero type of thing. So that's just for me.
(24:51):
For the Brian situation is completely different. I believe that
it was just not my business. I right off the
jump when Jeremy told me, I was like, bro, you
should tell her, like you're omitting information, Like that's worse
than like min it's lying. And he's like, oh, it
is that a big deal? I mean like it's whatever.
Like it literally was not an apparent conversation that happened
(25:11):
throughout weeks, like I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Like and to me too, I was like, you know,
I told him, so you know they're gonna air this
and he was like no, like we're good, it's not
a big deal.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
So I thought in my head. I was like, Okay,
must really not be a big deal if you're so
confident that they're not area.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
And then like and then we're watching Bailey and John
or Jeremy grow and we're just like, oh wow, this
is a really good solid couple. Like I'm why would
anyone even like think of like trying to ruin that
unless it's for personal game, So like that's my thing,
And then like going into the whole bro code thing,
like here's my thing. I'm gonna tell you I still
(25:45):
stand on it, like I think, I think the way
it was edited, it was turned like my conversation with
what's his name Brian a different way my thing was
is like you're you're seeing with him running on the beach,
like I'm with these guys, I'm seeing him. I'm like,
oh dang. Jeremy and Brian are app up at it early,
eat eating lunch together, even eating breakfast together. Brian is
(26:08):
in Jeremy's room NonStop. Him, Jeremy and in Dale three
peas in a pod, Like you would have known that
Jonathan was Brian's roommate because he was always in Jeremy's room.
And I'm just like that is so odd to me
that my friend wouldn't come tell me and be like, hey, man,
I think you're being an asshole and you need to
go tell her. If you don't, I'm gonna go tell her.
(26:29):
Then I'm like, that is not a good friend. I
bro code probably should be word to use. Obviously it's
gotten tarnished and like from some, but that's not the
bro code I live by. The brokeode I live by
is like, if my friend is doing something, I'm gonna
check him and hold him accountable for it. Okay, but
it's not my job to do it for him, you
know what I mean. It's not my responsibility. It is
(26:49):
Jeremy's responsibility only to tell her, you know what I mean?
And then when you when and when he did, like
she still like took him back. So it's like, what
was the whole point of tell is saying anything? You
know what I mean? So it was never my business
to begin with because people are gonna do whatever they
want to do. So that's why I was like, I
(27:09):
always stay out of it. Obviously you're in a whole
different situation being a roommate. And I feel for Bailey
for that, like, but for me and for a lot
of the people who who like besides like Brian, Brian
had every right to tell her not I was never
mad at him for telling It's just it was sleazy.
You knew you could tell it wasn't because that he
(27:31):
felt like Bailey should know. If that was the case,
he would have said it as soon as Jeremy said
something he should have told, But he waited until, like
Jeremy dangled, like letting him go over his head one
episode doing the Godfather thing and he's like, I won't
take being and talk to you lightly, Like I'm just like,
the evidence is there, But nothing wrong with him telling.
(27:52):
I just I just knew in that moment's intentions were
not pure and it's just and we didn't know the
full conversation and the full damage of what was going on,
so like in my eyes, I was just like, oh,
it's just a phone call, Like why are you going
behind his back to talk about a phone call? Like
there's a moment of lapse, Like that's something he should
have said. Looking back on it, it was pretty bad,
(28:14):
you know what I mean. Just obviously seeing that and
watching that back, I feel for Bailey, like that sucks
in that situation. And I see Bryant's point, But my
thing is, Brian did it at an opportune time for himself.
He did not do it when it first happened, then
he should he waited for Like, I didn't even know
that secret rendezvous was gonna happen. So what happens the
rendezvous challenge never happened? Do you not say anything? You
(28:36):
know what I mean? Like, that's the that's what I'm well.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And it's aired. No, you're right, and it's aired, and
the two of them are to together and that's what's
important today. Celebrate that. Yea is I just sat with
him with Bailey and Jeremy, and they're as strong as
I could have ever expected.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And this saw that.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, and this was a small little blimp on your guys.
Beautiful story. Final question for you, Right, you got a
lot of money. I don't how much you money did
you get from this? Where's that money going?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, we signed, so it's we're both getting split like
sixty two something. I offered to give her my half,
but she said no. But the sixty is still on
the table if she wants to take it. But we'll
just figure out if you want to do something together that.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Said no, by courtesy, baby, don't bet. Don't bet for me.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
I think financially the smartest move. I mean, I mean,
the conversion rate Canadian to U West is pretty good,
So I'm going to try to pay as much as
my student loan as I can. I think that's the
smartest move. I wish I had I could use that
money to save up for a house, but it's going
to go to the student loans, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's nice Andrew to offer that to you. Yeah, and
we're so happy as a Bachelor nation that you're going
to be able to help pay off some of those
student loans. That's so exciting, a whole new chapter in life,
not only financially but also romantically. Yeah, we're celebrating you here.
Congratulations again to the cutest couple to come from Bachelor
(30:03):
in Paradise this season, Andrew and Alex. Thank you for
joining the Almost Famous podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
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