November 24, 2025 • 23 mins
Actor Kevin Spacey made a compelling video addressing the headline that created more headlines that ended with “thousands” of people reaching out to him, to offer him a place to stay. Even though Spacey recently admitted in an interview with The Telegraph that he lost his home and is currently living out of suitcases in Airbnb’s and hotel rooms, it’s certainly a far cry from being homeless and living on the streets. Amy and T.J. have also been dealing with a new round of misleading headlines surrounding their recent engagement and discuss the real life impact of clickbait.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there are folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth,
And despite the headlines you saw, no, Kevin Spacey is
not homeless. In related news, and also despite the headlines, no,
Robot and I did not fake our engagement. And with that,
(00:23):
welcome to this very personal, pissed off episode of amy
and teaching. No, not pissed off. We're used to it
at this point. But robes this whole Kevin Spacey back
and forth, which became a back and forth we didn't know,
sparked some stuff in us that we kind of laugh about.
But this stuff has real impact, and Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Noticed, and I think that's the point of this. Look.
We've talked about clickbait headlines plenty over the past couple
of years, but it is important to remember and I
appreciate the fact that Kevin Spacey came back and clarified.
We have talked about our biggest mistakes have been and
not speaking up and speaking out when misinformation is handed out.
(01:04):
So you really go through this balance in your head.
I'm sure Kevin Spacey did as well. How much attention
do you want to give to the clickbaity headlines, but
how much space do you want to leave for other
people to fill in what they mean, and so he
took ownership of this. After he spoke for some time
and praised the journalist who actually did the interview, but
(01:26):
bashed the headline that the Telegraph chose to give it
in front of you. Exactly the Telegraph headline is this
Kevin Spacey interview homeless, canceled and crooning in Cyprus. A
second headline is still exiled from Hollywood despite acquitvalent Court,
the Oscar winning actor, talks about his life's latest chapter.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, so a lot of people saw the headline. I
don't know how many people read as deeply as we
did into the story, which, of course we read the
whole story. I was surprised to see him do such
an in depth interview, but I thought it was interesting
a lot of what he had to say. Now, so
what happens here? Robes's problem is he explained, and we
(02:09):
did an episode on talking about and gave his words.
You can say homeless if you want to, technically, but
that's not exactly what he was explaining.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, he says, saying that I have no home does
not equate to being homeless. Actually, technically from a definition standpoint,
it does, but he's talking about the colloquial way we
all regard saying someone's homeless. It means they're living on
the street. It means they are destitute. It means they
are in need of immediate help because they cannot house themselves,
(02:43):
they cannot shelter themselves.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And that was the impression that the headline, at least
to some, did give. But in that original article Robe
he said at the time he never suggested it that
that of any kind. He said, I've been bouncing around
here and there.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, he said, I'm going where the work is, and
he did say that he and this he actually went
on a little while ago. He went on Peers Morgan,
I believe, and was very emotional saying he had to
let go of his home in Baltimore and it foreclosure
because he could no longer afford it. So this has
been a devastating and emotional situation for him. However, he
(03:21):
is a two time Academy Award winning actor who is
still working right now, and I appreciate that he is hustling,
he said, like he did in his early days, and
so he can pay his bills. He's staying. In fact,
to the video he put on Instagram, which we can
talk about. His background is gorgeous. He's obviously staying at
a very luxurious Airbnb or hotel.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Which is where he has been in what he explained
in the article. Here's the problem. One headline creates the
click bait. Everybody else now jumps on that headline and
wants to turn it into their own headline. Now they
need to up the ante a little bit and make
(04:02):
it sound even worse, and then somebody else picks it
up to make it sound even worse. So now all
you get is a whole series of stories that aren't
really about what he talked about in that article. They're
only about Kevin Spacey being homeless, and that went everywhere,
and that is where frustration and I guess a lot
(04:29):
of camaraderie we felt in that moment with Kevin Spacey
because he came out and shut it down immediately. And
like you said, Robe, you can give him credit for
doing so, but what do you do about a click
bait headline that he has no control over and no
say it was only meant to play on people's emotions,
(04:50):
get them worked up, get a reaction for shock value,
just to click that button. As soon as you do,
they've won.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yes, And you're damned if you do, and you're damned
if you don't. Because he actually decided to speak out,
and I thought the article was wonderful, and I think
he did too. He praised the journalist once again. But look,
people can say what they want. He's trying to rectify
a narrative already about him that most people think he
was convicted of a crime. Most people think he had
(05:19):
to pay out his accusers, and the truth is he's
never been convicted of a crime, and he's never been
held liable for any civil suit that was filed against him.
And so he's trying to correct the record, saying, was
I too Hansy a couple of times? Did I maybe
make advances on people who I didn't realize were offended
by them? Probably? Yes? But did I commit a crime?
Am I a pariah? No? None of those things. So
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he was trying to set the record straight and talk
about how he wanted to make a comeback and how
he's trying to make a comeback, and.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It turned into something else. It's only about this because
the most important part of that story. I mean, if
you didn't have that headline. I don't know if I
would have plucked that out. Yeah, I don't know if
I would have been laser focused in reading his interview
of that being the most important thing, a significant thing
that he said.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It just spoke to where he is now financially given
where he was, And I do appreciate that that is
significant and that that does tell a story about what
has happened to him based on allegations. But he didn't
like the notion that somehow he was being equated to
the homeless folks that you see on the streets of
(06:31):
major urban areas. He's like, please do not, this is
nowhere near the same thing. And I think that's where
he was wanting to set the record straight. And I
appreciate his video was measured. He didn't seem angry. He
just wanted to set the record straight, and frankly, he's
had a lot of experience having to try and do that.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But he said he clearly took issue with that headline.
Like I said, he commended the work of the actual
journalists but said, it's too bad that your actual bosses
have taken away from your great work by writing this
misleading headline.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Correct, correct, and he said that he was not responding
to the press. I actually this is pretty funny, he said.
I don't usually make it my business to correct the media.
If I did, I wouldn't have time for much else.
That's telling well, you can't.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And this is another area in which we well, I
will speak for me, but I think you do as well.
We felt that camaraderie at least un understood what he
was coming from, and that as soon as you answer
a lie in a tabloid headline, you've now given them
content to come back and rewrite something that. Ah, he
(07:40):
responded to what we said, And then you give agency
to the other tabloid and the other one, and the
other one, well, we'll just make some shit up too,
and then he'll have to respond to that. So you
end up we could spend every single day responding two
things that are one hundred percent falls, and you put
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yourself in a position to where you're constantly answering allegations
that have never been made other than by someone sitting
around who wants to destroy you. Yes, and get a click.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I have an email in my inbox right now, in
that very vein. And it's always been if you respond,
you now give them something more to write. But I
do appreciate the fact that there are moments when you
need to respond. And that is where Kevin Spacey was
with this, he said, and I appreciate how he wrote this,
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or he said this. It was a shame that the
Telegraph chose to undermine the work of their own journalists
by selling him out with a knowingly misleading headline for
the sake of clicks.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Click a click. This is where we are in the industry,
I mean a click. We're fighting over a click. And
they look, they do their research, and these things are
done well. How many times today anybody listening right now,
how many times have you done it? And how many
times are you gonna do it? Fall for a clickbait headline.
It's meant to shock. It plays on your emotions. It
has to promise you that there will be surprising new
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content when you click into it. But so much of
it roads is to play on your emotions, your anger,
your disappointments, your fears, your your relationship, how it's going.
It plays on what's happening in your life. Psychologically. It
forces you, almost they say, sometimes to click. You can't
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help yourself and then once you click, you get in
there and you see something that feeds that fear, feeds
that anger. They call it. They say it's a dopamine hit.
And the next thing you know, you want to go back,
and you fall for the next one, and fall for
the next one. The next thing you know, you're just
you're putting We talked about this recently. If you ever
want to know what people are ingesting, just pay attention
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to what they are putting out into the world. Just
you become that the cynical. And I hate it, and
I see it rose and you know, this is one.
It drives me crazier than you do. And I know
a lot of folks who in the public eye do
better at this, and and I'm just used to it,
but it drives me crazy. It's nothing. It's the worst
thing in the world when somebody is saying something about
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you that you know to be one hundred percent false
and you can do nothing about it because you know
somebody out there is reading it and believes them. And
that's why we lost jobs and so these things. And
to hear him handle it the way he's handling I
know there's another example of somebody doing it the way
(10:40):
we should have right, and we said we promise that
from now on, we will not let anybody else speak
for us, and we will stand up for ourselves and
our relationship when it rises to the level. We're now
at the point, Robes, Where is the level? I can't
tell how high of a level is. What the publication is,
(11:02):
is it? How horrible the headline about us is? Is it? How?
I don't know the bar now, because we are dealing
with We've been dealing with some shit in the past
week or so, I say, dealing with shit. Not really,
it's just you want to set a record straight. But
it's based on a completely fabricated headline story to get
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somebody to click.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And it's one of those fine lines where you have
to ask yourself again. I said, you're damned if you do,
and you're damned if you don't. If you give too
much information or you're being completely transparent, people will take that,
use it against you, make fun of you, whatever, and
take some of what you said and turn it into
something else. But if you say nothing, if you don't
give anybody any details, they'll fill them all in for you.
(11:52):
So it's just like either, oh, you're you're telling us
too much and you're wanting to be relevant, stop being
so desperate. Or if you don't say anything, we'll tell
you how it happened. We'll tell you what they did,
We'll tell you what people think about it.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So what where's the balance? Then? Where are we? We
have not settled on this balance. Where's the balance for
us between giving this much, this much or not much?
What's the balance? We didn't plan on telling anybody about
our engagement. We have been engaged a full month before
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anybody even noticed, or we were living our lives and
what's wrong with that? I don't know. But as soon
as we said, all right, somebody's about to put it,
we're not going to let somebody else tell that we're engaged.
So let's just do it. We had a five minute
podcast just saying, hey, guys, we're engaged and moved on
with our lives.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And then what, Well, we didn't talk about the ring,
we didn't talk about how you proposed, we didn't talk
about when our wedding might be, and so everyone else
tries to fill in the blanks with nothing.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's the thing you're filling in a blank based on
and you all read anytime you see something that says,
source close to the couple says, that is a one
lie has been made of, either by some source or
by that publication. It is. It's difficult to stomach that
that somebody is sitting somewhere and making up a lie
(13:22):
about you, and it's going to print it, and they
can get around it by simply saying an insider says.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Sources say sources close to the couple say. Anytime you
read sources close to the couple say, it's BS.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Or it's Sabine, or it's Analyse, or it's your parents
and my parents. Nobody else's close to us.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
No, we've gotten to a place where we really don't
give personal details to even close friends. Because I've always said,
this is nothing against my friends, but human nature is this.
Everyone always tells one person, and not even with ill intent,
maybe with excite, maybe with love, maybe with just sharing something,
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and one person always tells one person about it. Have
you ever played the game operator, By the time you
get to whatever tabloid, they've heard nothing that is even
anywhere close to the truth. What were you know?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What? No, stay here, folks, we come back. I'm going
to let robot go through all the things she was
recently accused of related to her engagement. Some of these
I just found out about myself. Stay here all right, folks,
(14:41):
We continue now with our surprising I guess I didn't
know we had so much in common with Kevin Spacey
here lately. But it is to think that he came out,
did this big interview talking about what his life has
been like, talking about how difficult it is, and the
only headline that came out of it is him saying
he doesn't have his physical home anymore. He's been going
(15:03):
to Airbnb's hotels, bouncing around where the work is in
Cyprus now performing with Rodes. He's not out on the street,
and he felt it was a intentionally misleading headline for
them to put that in there. Actually, it was the
first word he said, Kevin Spacey interview, homeless.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, that was the headline, and that got me to click.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And that's the point. What the work being done today, folks,
to get you to click is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You already had an idea based on what's been happening
look over the last three years, but even it's ramped
back up in the last few weeks since we announced
our engagement the anatomy of a tabloid headline. You said,
we could do a whole podcast explaining like what, because
we've lived it, and look, we had been in the media.
We understood a little bit. But when it happens to you,
(15:51):
and when it is that personal and that deeply misconstrued
and offensive, it takes on a whole new meeting.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We didn't do anything like this. I didn't understand this
before we got I had no idea. I had no
idea it was you. I would have gone to court
and said, no, they don't make up stuff and just lie.
I would have sworn that that stuff didn't happen. I
know better.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, Unfortunately, we learned the hard way.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
So we Yeah, we got engaged in September, right, and
after that, we traveled all over the place in big
crowds of people at events, and nobody said a word.
Nobody said a thing about the ring, and we just
went on about our day.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We actually had discussions about it, because obviously we got engaged.
I want to wear the ring. We knew if I
wore the ring that there might be photographs or people
asking questions, and we just I think we decided because
we didn't. We didn't want to say, hey, everybody, look
at our relationship. We've been trying to get away from that,
and we just thought, hey, let's let this just happen organically.
(16:58):
And so when we when some one finally, for whatever reason,
it got to a tabloid, they were letting us know
that they were going to out us in a sense
or reveal that we were engaged.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Which they too could have just been guessing because most
of their facts are wrong, that's true. Ast of the
stuff in there was completely made up.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They already had stuff about our wedding that were like
hilariously wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So I'm quite frankly I wonder if they were just
guessing as well with the time, because people have guessed
over the past two years. Who said it was imminent
like a year.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Ago, yeah exactly, and people thought we were already married.
There was all sorts of stuff, but anyway, we decided
we settled on, hey, we'll just make it really quick,
we'll acknowledge it, we'll own the announcement ourselves, but we
can keep our details private. We're not trying to say everybody,
look at us, and here are all the wonderful things
that are happening in our lives. We just wanted to
be on the record with it, to own it ourselves
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after everything we've been through. So we left out all
of the details deliberately because they're our private details.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, it was just the podcast was fine minutes. This
wasn't a big thing. When we're talking about everything, we
just want to say, hey, on the record, that was
supposed to be it, and we want to go back
about our day.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Lol. So yes, finally a photographer found us and we
were walking down the street and they got a picture
of the ring that you proposed to me with. And
the headlines are ridiculous, but they all involved me doing
(18:31):
something wrong, and we saw this happening. If we were smiling,
we were flaunting our relationship. If we were laughing, we
were laughing in the faces of the people we hurt.
If we were looking cold or serious, we were fighting.
Like you can't do anything right. They find a way
to take whatever they see and make it negative. And
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so when it came to the ring, all of the
headlines were that I was flaunting my massive engagement ring.
I was showing off my huge rock. Then there were
the headlines that we were staging an engagement for our
career revival. Then I actually have a request to respond
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to something about the fact that I got my own
ring for myself because I want it to be engaged.
And it goes on and on and on, and we
can laugh. But these things get picked up when you Google.
It's the first thing that comes up. And yes, there
are plenty of people who will believe all of those
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things that we're we're using something that's deeply personal for
ourselves as a PR campaign and it's all negative and
it's sad.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I ask anybody listening to just take just take stock,
and I mean just take a moment when you were
about to click on those things and just consider this.
Why is it that you need it to be negative?
Why do you need it to be somebody else's pain?
Why do you need somebody else to be doing wrong?
Why do you need a villain? And I say, I
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didn't know the stuff about the ring, but the idea
of you flaunting, showing off, what were the other words
you said were.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Using, well, flaunting, show and flashes. I'm flashing, I'm showing off,
I'm flaunting you.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
All the flashing and flaunting in the picture. We literally
walked three blocks to La Pan to Kotadien to get
salads and walked right back home. If that is flaunting,
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showing off, throwing in somebody's face, that is a very
good example, Rhoades, that you are told that you did
something wrong by walking outside. Yep, that's all you did,
and it then gets passed along to somebody else as
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you are now a bitch an asshole of a woman
who shows off, and it's all I'm connected to this too,
but it just that is what we mean. Folks. We
literally walked three blocks to get salads and they told
you that we're showing off and flaunting. We did a
five minute podcast to say we're engaged, and now we're
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told we've faked and we've staged, and now we're trying
a huge career thing over a goddamn five minute podcast. Folks,
If you want sympathy, and you want heart and tears
and sincerity and family, if you want to come around
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about us, then we damn sure would tell you what
happened with our engagement because it was fucking beautiful, and
how our kids were involved, and how our families were
involved all God, we should have taken pictures posted them
everywhere it would have been gorgeous and that have been beautiful.
But folks, we are just trying to live our lives
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and have a good time doing some news along the way,
and that's kind of it. That's kind of it. I'm
sorry that you feel the way you feel about us
based on a lie you were told by a tabloid.
I'm not gonna keep screaming the facts about what happened
at the beginning of our relationship. I just you can't
keep doing that. But I maybe, Robes, I'll apologize to you,
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and maybe this is the time I should dedicate and
say publicly that I'll do this differently. I don't declare
enough publicly how much I love you. I don't hoot
and holler and scream from the mountaintops and posts about
the woman I am engaged to because I'm worried about
how somebody else might take that shit. You post it,
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they're gonna take talk shit. You don't post it, They're
gonna talk shit. So why not just own the fact, sweetheart,
I am in love with you, and I apologize for
not being as loud about it publicly as I should
be over some bullshit clickbait potential. So that's all I
got to say. Fucking story.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And you know what I feel like. That is a
beautiful way to drop the mic and just to remind
everybody that these are all real people with real problems,
real beauty, real love, real feelings and what you click
on and how people write these stories matter. So thank
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you so much for listening to us, and baby, I
love you and I am proud to be your fiancee
and can't wait to marry you. And with that everyone,
thank you for listening. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.
We will talk to you soon.
Hey, there are folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth,
And despite the headlines you saw, no, Kevin Spacey is
not homeless. In related news, and also despite the headlines, no,
Robot and I did not fake our engagement. And with that,
(00:23):
welcome to this very personal, pissed off episode of amy
and teaching. No, not pissed off. We're used to it
at this point. But robes this whole Kevin Spacey back
and forth, which became a back and forth we didn't know,
sparked some stuff in us that we kind of laugh about.
But this stuff has real impact, and Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Noticed, and I think that's the point of this. Look.
We've talked about clickbait headlines plenty over the past couple
of years, but it is important to remember and I
appreciate the fact that Kevin Spacey came back and clarified.
We have talked about our biggest mistakes have been and
not speaking up and speaking out when misinformation is handed out.
(01:04):
So you really go through this balance in your head.
I'm sure Kevin Spacey did as well. How much attention
do you want to give to the clickbaity headlines, but
how much space do you want to leave for other
people to fill in what they mean, and so he
took ownership of this. After he spoke for some time
and praised the journalist who actually did the interview, but
(01:26):
bashed the headline that the Telegraph chose to give it
in front of you. Exactly the Telegraph headline is this
Kevin Spacey interview homeless, canceled and crooning in Cyprus. A
second headline is still exiled from Hollywood despite acquitvalent Court,
the Oscar winning actor, talks about his life's latest chapter.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, so a lot of people saw the headline. I
don't know how many people read as deeply as we
did into the story, which, of course we read the
whole story. I was surprised to see him do such
an in depth interview, but I thought it was interesting
a lot of what he had to say. Now, so
what happens here? Robes's problem is he explained, and we
(02:09):
did an episode on talking about and gave his words.
You can say homeless if you want to, technically, but
that's not exactly what he was explaining.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, he says, saying that I have no home does
not equate to being homeless. Actually, technically from a definition standpoint,
it does, but he's talking about the colloquial way we
all regard saying someone's homeless. It means they're living on
the street. It means they are destitute. It means they
are in need of immediate help because they cannot house themselves,
(02:43):
they cannot shelter themselves.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And that was the impression that the headline, at least
to some, did give. But in that original article Robe
he said at the time he never suggested it that
that of any kind. He said, I've been bouncing around
here and there.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, he said, I'm going where the work is, and
he did say that he and this he actually went
on a little while ago. He went on Peers Morgan,
I believe, and was very emotional saying he had to
let go of his home in Baltimore and it foreclosure
because he could no longer afford it. So this has
been a devastating and emotional situation for him. However, he
(03:21):
is a two time Academy Award winning actor who is
still working right now, and I appreciate that he is hustling,
he said, like he did in his early days, and
so he can pay his bills. He's staying. In fact,
to the video he put on Instagram, which we can
talk about. His background is gorgeous. He's obviously staying at
a very luxurious Airbnb or hotel.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Which is where he has been in what he explained
in the article. Here's the problem. One headline creates the
click bait. Everybody else now jumps on that headline and
wants to turn it into their own headline. Now they
need to up the ante a little bit and make
(04:02):
it sound even worse, and then somebody else picks it
up to make it sound even worse. So now all
you get is a whole series of stories that aren't
really about what he talked about in that article. They're
only about Kevin Spacey being homeless, and that went everywhere,
and that is where frustration and I guess a lot
(04:29):
of camaraderie we felt in that moment with Kevin Spacey
because he came out and shut it down immediately. And
like you said, Robe, you can give him credit for
doing so, but what do you do about a click
bait headline that he has no control over and no
say it was only meant to play on people's emotions,
(04:50):
get them worked up, get a reaction for shock value,
just to click that button. As soon as you do,
they've won.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yes, And you're damned if you do, and you're damned
if you don't. Because he actually decided to speak out,
and I thought the article was wonderful, and I think
he did too. He praised the journalist once again. But look,
people can say what they want. He's trying to rectify
a narrative already about him that most people think he
was convicted of a crime. Most people think he had
(05:19):
to pay out his accusers, and the truth is he's
never been convicted of a crime, and he's never been
held liable for any civil suit that was filed against him.
And so he's trying to correct the record, saying, was
I too Hansy a couple of times? Did I maybe
make advances on people who I didn't realize were offended
by them? Probably? Yes? But did I commit a crime?
Am I a pariah? No? None of those things. So
(05:42):
he was trying to set the record straight and talk
about how he wanted to make a comeback and how
he's trying to make a comeback, and.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It turned into something else. It's only about this because
the most important part of that story. I mean, if
you didn't have that headline. I don't know if I
would have plucked that out. Yeah, I don't know if
I would have been laser focused in reading his interview
of that being the most important thing, a significant thing
that he said.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It just spoke to where he is now financially given
where he was, And I do appreciate that that is
significant and that that does tell a story about what
has happened to him based on allegations. But he didn't
like the notion that somehow he was being equated to
the homeless folks that you see on the streets of
(06:31):
major urban areas. He's like, please do not, this is
nowhere near the same thing. And I think that's where
he was wanting to set the record straight. And I
appreciate his video was measured. He didn't seem angry. He
just wanted to set the record straight, and frankly, he's
had a lot of experience having to try and do that.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But he said he clearly took issue with that headline.
Like I said, he commended the work of the actual
journalists but said, it's too bad that your actual bosses
have taken away from your great work by writing this
misleading headline.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Correct, correct, and he said that he was not responding
to the press. I actually this is pretty funny, he said.
I don't usually make it my business to correct the media.
If I did, I wouldn't have time for much else.
That's telling well, you can't.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And this is another area in which we well, I
will speak for me, but I think you do as well.
We felt that camaraderie at least un understood what he
was coming from, and that as soon as you answer
a lie in a tabloid headline, you've now given them
content to come back and rewrite something that. Ah, he
(07:40):
responded to what we said, And then you give agency
to the other tabloid and the other one, and the
other one, well, we'll just make some shit up too,
and then he'll have to respond to that. So you
end up we could spend every single day responding two
things that are one hundred percent falls, and you put
(08:02):
yourself in a position to where you're constantly answering allegations
that have never been made other than by someone sitting
around who wants to destroy you. Yes, and get a click.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I have an email in my inbox right now, in
that very vein. And it's always been if you respond,
you now give them something more to write. But I
do appreciate the fact that there are moments when you
need to respond. And that is where Kevin Spacey was
with this, he said, and I appreciate how he wrote this,
(08:39):
or he said this. It was a shame that the
Telegraph chose to undermine the work of their own journalists
by selling him out with a knowingly misleading headline for
the sake of clicks.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Click a click. This is where we are in the industry,
I mean a click. We're fighting over a click. And
they look, they do their research, and these things are
done well. How many times today anybody listening right now,
how many times have you done it? And how many
times are you gonna do it? Fall for a clickbait headline.
It's meant to shock. It plays on your emotions. It
has to promise you that there will be surprising new
(09:12):
content when you click into it. But so much of
it roads is to play on your emotions, your anger,
your disappointments, your fears, your your relationship, how it's going.
It plays on what's happening in your life. Psychologically. It
forces you, almost they say, sometimes to click. You can't
(09:35):
help yourself and then once you click, you get in
there and you see something that feeds that fear, feeds
that anger. They call it. They say it's a dopamine hit.
And the next thing you know, you want to go back,
and you fall for the next one, and fall for
the next one. The next thing you know, you're just
you're putting We talked about this recently. If you ever
want to know what people are ingesting, just pay attention
(09:56):
to what they are putting out into the world. Just
you become that the cynical. And I hate it, and
I see it rose and you know, this is one.
It drives me crazier than you do. And I know
a lot of folks who in the public eye do
better at this, and and I'm just used to it,
but it drives me crazy. It's nothing. It's the worst
thing in the world when somebody is saying something about
(10:18):
you that you know to be one hundred percent false
and you can do nothing about it because you know
somebody out there is reading it and believes them. And
that's why we lost jobs and so these things. And
to hear him handle it the way he's handling I
know there's another example of somebody doing it the way
(10:40):
we should have right, and we said we promise that
from now on, we will not let anybody else speak
for us, and we will stand up for ourselves and
our relationship when it rises to the level. We're now
at the point, Robes, Where is the level? I can't
tell how high of a level is. What the publication is,
(11:02):
is it? How horrible the headline about us is? Is it? How?
I don't know the bar now, because we are dealing
with We've been dealing with some shit in the past
week or so, I say, dealing with shit. Not really,
it's just you want to set a record straight. But
it's based on a completely fabricated headline story to get
(11:28):
somebody to click.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And it's one of those fine lines where you have
to ask yourself again. I said, you're damned if you do,
and you're damned if you don't. If you give too
much information or you're being completely transparent, people will take that,
use it against you, make fun of you, whatever, and
take some of what you said and turn it into
something else. But if you say nothing, if you don't
give anybody any details, they'll fill them all in for you.
(11:52):
So it's just like either, oh, you're you're telling us
too much and you're wanting to be relevant, stop being
so desperate. Or if you don't say anything, we'll tell
you how it happened. We'll tell you what they did,
We'll tell you what people think about it.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So what where's the balance? Then? Where are we? We
have not settled on this balance. Where's the balance for
us between giving this much, this much or not much?
What's the balance? We didn't plan on telling anybody about
our engagement. We have been engaged a full month before
(12:27):
anybody even noticed, or we were living our lives and
what's wrong with that? I don't know. But as soon
as we said, all right, somebody's about to put it,
we're not going to let somebody else tell that we're engaged.
So let's just do it. We had a five minute
podcast just saying, hey, guys, we're engaged and moved on
with our lives.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And then what, Well, we didn't talk about the ring,
we didn't talk about how you proposed, we didn't talk
about when our wedding might be, and so everyone else
tries to fill in the blanks with nothing.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's the thing you're filling in a blank based on
and you all read anytime you see something that says,
source close to the couple says, that is a one
lie has been made of, either by some source or
by that publication. It is. It's difficult to stomach that
that somebody is sitting somewhere and making up a lie
(13:22):
about you, and it's going to print it, and they
can get around it by simply saying an insider says.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Sources say sources close to the couple say. Anytime you
read sources close to the couple say, it's BS.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Or it's Sabine, or it's Analyse, or it's your parents
and my parents. Nobody else's close to us.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
No, we've gotten to a place where we really don't
give personal details to even close friends. Because I've always said,
this is nothing against my friends, but human nature is this.
Everyone always tells one person, and not even with ill intent,
maybe with excite, maybe with love, maybe with just sharing something,
(14:03):
and one person always tells one person about it. Have
you ever played the game operator, By the time you
get to whatever tabloid, they've heard nothing that is even
anywhere close to the truth. What were you know?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What? No, stay here, folks, we come back. I'm going
to let robot go through all the things she was
recently accused of related to her engagement. Some of these
I just found out about myself. Stay here all right, folks,
(14:41):
We continue now with our surprising I guess I didn't
know we had so much in common with Kevin Spacey
here lately. But it is to think that he came out,
did this big interview talking about what his life has
been like, talking about how difficult it is, and the
only headline that came out of it is him saying
he doesn't have his physical home anymore. He's been going
(15:03):
to Airbnb's hotels, bouncing around where the work is in
Cyprus now performing with Rodes. He's not out on the street,
and he felt it was a intentionally misleading headline for
them to put that in there. Actually, it was the
first word he said, Kevin Spacey interview, homeless.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, that was the headline, and that got me to click.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
And that's the point. What the work being done today, folks,
to get you to click is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You already had an idea based on what's been happening
look over the last three years, but even it's ramped
back up in the last few weeks since we announced
our engagement the anatomy of a tabloid headline. You said,
we could do a whole podcast explaining like what, because
we've lived it, and look, we had been in the media.
We understood a little bit. But when it happens to you,
(15:51):
and when it is that personal and that deeply misconstrued
and offensive, it takes on a whole new meeting.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We didn't do anything like this. I didn't understand this
before we got I had no idea. I had no
idea it was you. I would have gone to court
and said, no, they don't make up stuff and just lie.
I would have sworn that that stuff didn't happen. I
know better.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, Unfortunately, we learned the hard way.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
So we Yeah, we got engaged in September, right, and
after that, we traveled all over the place in big
crowds of people at events, and nobody said a word.
Nobody said a thing about the ring, and we just
went on about our day.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We actually had discussions about it, because obviously we got engaged.
I want to wear the ring. We knew if I
wore the ring that there might be photographs or people
asking questions, and we just I think we decided because
we didn't. We didn't want to say, hey, everybody, look
at our relationship. We've been trying to get away from that,
and we just thought, hey, let's let this just happen organically.
(16:58):
And so when we when some one finally, for whatever reason,
it got to a tabloid, they were letting us know
that they were going to out us in a sense
or reveal that we were engaged.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Which they too could have just been guessing because most
of their facts are wrong, that's true. Ast of the
stuff in there was completely made up.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They already had stuff about our wedding that were like
hilariously wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So I'm quite frankly I wonder if they were just
guessing as well with the time, because people have guessed
over the past two years. Who said it was imminent
like a year.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Ago, yeah exactly, and people thought we were already married.
There was all sorts of stuff, but anyway, we decided
we settled on, hey, we'll just make it really quick,
we'll acknowledge it, we'll own the announcement ourselves, but we
can keep our details private. We're not trying to say everybody,
look at us, and here are all the wonderful things
that are happening in our lives. We just wanted to
be on the record with it, to own it ourselves
(17:50):
after everything we've been through. So we left out all
of the details deliberately because they're our private details.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, it was just the podcast was fine minutes. This
wasn't a big thing. When we're talking about everything, we
just want to say, hey, on the record, that was
supposed to be it, and we want to go back
about our day.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Lol. So yes, finally a photographer found us and we
were walking down the street and they got a picture
of the ring that you proposed to me with. And
the headlines are ridiculous, but they all involved me doing
(18:31):
something wrong, and we saw this happening. If we were smiling,
we were flaunting our relationship. If we were laughing, we
were laughing in the faces of the people we hurt.
If we were looking cold or serious, we were fighting.
Like you can't do anything right. They find a way
to take whatever they see and make it negative. And
(18:52):
so when it came to the ring, all of the
headlines were that I was flaunting my massive engagement ring.
I was showing off my huge rock. Then there were
the headlines that we were staging an engagement for our
career revival. Then I actually have a request to respond
(19:12):
to something about the fact that I got my own
ring for myself because I want it to be engaged.
And it goes on and on and on, and we
can laugh. But these things get picked up when you Google.
It's the first thing that comes up. And yes, there
are plenty of people who will believe all of those
(19:33):
things that we're we're using something that's deeply personal for
ourselves as a PR campaign and it's all negative and
it's sad.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I ask anybody listening to just take just take stock,
and I mean just take a moment when you were
about to click on those things and just consider this.
Why is it that you need it to be negative?
Why do you need it to be somebody else's pain?
Why do you need somebody else to be doing wrong?
Why do you need a villain? And I say, I
(20:05):
didn't know the stuff about the ring, but the idea
of you flaunting, showing off, what were the other words
you said were.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Using, well, flaunting, show and flashes. I'm flashing, I'm showing off,
I'm flaunting you.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
All the flashing and flaunting in the picture. We literally
walked three blocks to La Pan to Kotadien to get
salads and walked right back home. If that is flaunting,
(20:39):
showing off, throwing in somebody's face, that is a very
good example, Rhoades, that you are told that you did
something wrong by walking outside. Yep, that's all you did,
and it then gets passed along to somebody else as
(21:01):
you are now a bitch an asshole of a woman
who shows off, and it's all I'm connected to this too,
but it just that is what we mean. Folks. We
literally walked three blocks to get salads and they told
you that we're showing off and flaunting. We did a
five minute podcast to say we're engaged, and now we're
(21:23):
told we've faked and we've staged, and now we're trying
a huge career thing over a goddamn five minute podcast. Folks,
If you want sympathy, and you want heart and tears
and sincerity and family, if you want to come around
(21:43):
about us, then we damn sure would tell you what
happened with our engagement because it was fucking beautiful, and
how our kids were involved, and how our families were
involved all God, we should have taken pictures posted them
everywhere it would have been gorgeous and that have been beautiful.
But folks, we are just trying to live our lives
(22:04):
and have a good time doing some news along the way,
and that's kind of it. That's kind of it. I'm
sorry that you feel the way you feel about us
based on a lie you were told by a tabloid.
I'm not gonna keep screaming the facts about what happened
at the beginning of our relationship. I just you can't
keep doing that. But I maybe, Robes, I'll apologize to you,
(22:28):
and maybe this is the time I should dedicate and
say publicly that I'll do this differently. I don't declare
enough publicly how much I love you. I don't hoot
and holler and scream from the mountaintops and posts about
the woman I am engaged to because I'm worried about
how somebody else might take that shit. You post it,
(22:51):
they're gonna take talk shit. You don't post it, They're
gonna talk shit. So why not just own the fact, sweetheart,
I am in love with you, and I apologize for
not being as loud about it publicly as I should
be over some bullshit clickbait potential. So that's all I
got to say. Fucking story.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And you know what I feel like. That is a
beautiful way to drop the mic and just to remind
everybody that these are all real people with real problems,
real beauty, real love, real feelings and what you click
on and how people write these stories matter. So thank
(23:35):
you so much for listening to us, and baby, I
love you and I am proud to be your fiancee
and can't wait to marry you. And with that everyone,
thank you for listening. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.
We will talk to you soon.
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