September 4, 2025 • 32 mins
Fresh off the Bachelor in Paradise reunion, Dale and Kat chat with Ben about the allegations of a secret boyfriend, how close Kat and Sean's friendship really was, and where the couple stands with their fellow cast members now.
We all saw the camping challenge, but Kat and Dale are telling Ben what viewers DIDN'T see.
Plus, we find out how Dale feels about having his name in the running to be the next Bachelor.
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hey, everybody's been here with the Almost Famous podcast. Today
we have Dale and Kat with us, coming fresh off
of the reunion episode that was just filmed right here
on the stage. That we're sitting at nice stage. It
is a nice stage. I want to start. What were
your emotions like going into today, Well, be honest, this
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is a place to.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Be honest, ladies. Ladies first, well.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
A conference post game talk. Well, going into today, obviously
there was a lot of things we needed to discuss
from the whole season in general, I'd say nervous, but
also really excited to be able to like share our
story and share our time together and kind of like
catch up with everybody else.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
But you know, putting ourselves back.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
In these spaces can be a little nerve wracking, and
coming off of last night's episode was also a lot too, so,
but I was mostly excited just to kind of like
see everyone and share our relationship.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yeah, because I think you you never know what someone's
holding on to or anything like that. But a kind
of the whole season, right, we were we were excited
about how things finished with us. Also the fact that
we've been just building this relationship and kind of the
same way during the season, We're like, you know, whatever happens,
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we'll speak our truth, but we're not going to compromise
our integrity. We're not trying to get into too much chaos,
and at the end of the day, like, we have
great relationships with everyone on the show, so yeah, I
think it's like there's unknown variables going into this that
you don't know may come up, but overall, we were
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just kind of happy to see everyone.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, I feel pretty confident with him.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Like by my side, I will say, like I can
go into uncomfortable environments with.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Dale and like feel safe. So I think coming into
don't burn the stage down.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But like, yeah, I knew that no matter what, if
I needed to be like kind of brought back down
on earth, that he would be there.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So so you whispering in her ear during kind of
the most contentious moments of the reunion. I don't think
audio will pick it up, but I did watch what
were you just telling her?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I was honestly just saying, hey, like chill, give everyone
their time to speak, because I think everyone deserves that.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But it's easy to take a lot of things personal.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Right because you go through this experience with people and
sometimes it's projection. But at the end of the day
as well, I think it's important to understand your emotions
and where they're coming from. But you know it also
like still keep your composure and focus more on our experience.
Speak your truth, but not be as reactive and understanding.
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It was the biggest thing, because emotions can get heightened.
I've been there, but I also think like we're so
far removed from a lot of the chaos, and.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's kind of just how we've been rolling since the
show's been done.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You like said, like I do, I feel a lot
of other people's emotions, so like I want to, like,
I have a lot to say a lot of times,
but he's helped me realize, like sometimes it's you don't
have to say all the things and it's your pick
your battles in a way, so he kind of helped
me calm back down.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Dale mentioned here a second ago that you were excited
about how your experience ended. I think that is a
shocking statement because from a viewer standpoint, it felt like
your relationship was going so well and then all of
a sudden things ended at the worst possible moment in
your relationship. Can you bring some clarity to why you
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said that you were excited about how you guys left,
and then also what you two were experiencing, as obviously
you were kind of in this very tumultuous situation.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
For me, it was just that we were together, that
we stick up for each other, and obviously there was
a competition.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know, I was pretty upset.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
About us losing the physical challenge because that was the
first time in my life I've ever honestly felt vulnerable physically.
But we moved past that so quickly. But we talk
about the Way to the World challenge, and you know,
in theory, we won that challenge. It was a very
intense moment with the entire cast coming back, and I
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think a lot of people in certain situations maybe would
have handled it differently. But Kat and I had gone
through real challenges that relationships go through in a very
short time. But I told her early on in the season,
like I'm not jumping ship, Like I'm down to ride,
and you know, if I'm down to ride for someone,
and we get to that point, like I don't care
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about what comes our way because we can work through it.
And I think we had beautiful moments throughout our relationship,
but in one of the most difficult ones when it
could have gone either way, that's where we grew the most,
and that's what set the foundation for the conversations that
we had after we were off Paradise to ask the
hard questions in a way that we knew. We were
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asking the questions not to get out of a situation
or a relationship, to build it stronger than ever. And
I think that was just an important thing for both
of us.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, Kat, when the parliament came back and they walked
down through the resort to where you guys were standing,
did you have a feeling at that point that this
was going to turn ugly or were you kind of
thrown off guard once Sean and Alicia started talking.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I mean, seeing everybody come back, I was actually really excited,
but I remembered mostly like how we had voted, how
the season had went, and like going against Justine Spencer
like we're cooked, which is fine. I was so comfortable
with where we were at in a relationship at that point.
I had absolutely no idea that it was going to
be what it was. I sent some type of energy,
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which I think I had said to him at some point,
like I think Alicia is like not being nice to be.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't know what's going on, but some thing's like
going on.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And then very shortly after that is when the clink
clink happened in front of everyone, but I was very
taken surprise surprise with how it went down.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
For sure, we see during the show that the two
of you kind of walk off and you're telling Dale
at that moment, I don't want to talk about it here.
I don't want to talk about this here. I think
from a fan standpoint, we're watching it being like, well,
guilty as charged, she doesn't want to talk about it
on camera. If you weren't guilty, she'd be talking about
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it right here. What was your intention with telling Dale
at that time? Hey, I don't want to talk about
it right now.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I think that's a totally fair judgment. But unfortunately, like,
unless you're in this space, you'll it's hard to understand.
I've had many rounds within this franchise, or at least
in a setting where you can be really vulnerable, and
in that moment, I just felt like nobody deserved any
kind of explanation or any more words that could potentially
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be twisted, because that's what I just witnessed, And the
only person who I would be willing to have a
conversation with in private would be Dale, because he's the
only one that deserves that, and I just didn't feel
like I owed anything to anyone.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Plus I was really really emotionally.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Charged, so the last thing I wanted was to say
something that could be misunderstood, or if I would say
something that wasn't articulated appropriately, like this is something I
really cared about, and I just wanted it to have
the attention that it deserved, and it was not going
to be in that space or at that time.
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Tell me if I'm wrong, I don't think you will.
But it seemed like, really the last two episodes of
your experience on the show, we really got to see
a dynamic in your relationship where Dale was speaking kind
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of like he did during the reunion. He was whispering
in your ear, telling you, hey, take a breath count
to ten, Calm down. That's how he supports you to
get a glimpse into your where your relationship stands today.
How do you best support him?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think that we know each other's triggers in our
moments of grounding that is needed.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Like I would say, I hoped.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Bring him down after a lot of competitions of us
being lost when he was a little hot and heavy,
and I reminded him like what really matters, and when
he has a really good way of seeing things more
objective and like less emotionally like charged, whereas I don't.
So it's helpful when we're in like heighten emotional situations
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where he can like remind me and I'm like really
good at receiving that. And I respect his opinion and
I respect how he sees the world, so I also
have how to allow that, which takes time to like
I love to say no before I say yes, But
as time has gone on, as times going on, I've
learned to trust it more and like know that his
intentions are never to like it's to help me, right,
(10:43):
And I think that depending on each other's triggers, like
he can probably test to it more.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I don't really know.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
But I know that I've seen you get a little
worked up, and I think that I try my best
to just remind you he doesn't. I've had partners that
like if I were to ever like snap for like
trying to bring them back to Earth, they get like
more upset. It actually works with him, like he'll like
he doesn't take offense to it, and he's I think
he also values my opinion too it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But I've only really had to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think when it comes to at least in Paradise
was like after the competitions when you didn't really like
losing that much.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Yeah, But I also think it's reminding me because I
moved through things very quickly. One of my greatest gifts
is I don't feel like a lot of things affect me,
and I can move through things and be very very
even keeled. But you know, some tough moments, I can
bury those. But also you bury great moments when you're
that's one of your.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Mechanisms, if you will.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
But KAT definitely without even saying it or you know,
intentionally doing it reminds me a lot about like the
joy and the excitement of like little and small things
or there's something good that happens and I'm like, oh,
it's just part for the course and I'm moving to
the next thing. She's like, no, you need to sell
lebrate those things. And I think one of the things
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that we both talk about all the time, and she
would say because we couldn't be public, is like, I
can't wait to experience life with you. I can't wait
till we experience these things together. And that's why I
came on Paradise. So and that's been a tough thing
for us.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Because what do you mean, that's why you came on
Paradise And a.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Lot of relationships previously our lives were so segmented, you know,
some because of distance and just timing and the pandemic
and all these things. But I always felt like I
poured out so much into relationships and I didn't always
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get the reciprocity. And it wasn't about like tit for tat.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It was just like I didn't get experience as much
as I would like to with my partner.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
And I think really just the excitement and the opportunity
to experience new things together. We've already got plans for
for so many things. There's a lot of things that
have happened that we couldn't experience together.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But there was still the excitement of like when we.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Can or like I can't wait to show you this thing,
and I haven't been able to do that for the
last five six years, you know, and that's what matters
to me, Like my relationship, my family, career is like
something that's important, but that's for stability and security.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I think I remember him to I think you remind
him to laugh a little bit more and be a
little bit more goofy.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
You had a little spice too.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It seems like, like I do you know, Dale, seems
very much like let's just keep going and you like
shake it up a little bit, which is a very
good thing to have.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
When Dala comes.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
Out there, I do say I wish I could be
more unbothered, but it's just not in this lifetime.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You are as I know.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
It's going to make life fun, I know. Unfortunately, though
your experience and I got a lot of clarity.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think during the reunion episode into this whole texting
thing that happened, Dale, you seem thrown off honestly watching
the show because you were like, no, I don't care
what happened before this, and they said, no, it happened now.
And all of a sudden, you took usip of your
drink and you're like, oh well, all right, all right,
let's figure that one out. But you said something dale
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during the reunion that people can listen to, but I
want to bring it up here. You said, Hey, that
happened at the beginning. This is where we're at now,
we're moving into life together.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
For listeners of this show that maybe won't tune into
the reunion, but I.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Encourage you to do.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's only going to be on the Bachelor Happy Hour podcast,
give us insight into why that moment didn't break you.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I mean, you go through an experience and a journey
with someone for a month. We all have these ideas
of what we want, how things are going to go
coming in and the moment I met Kat, I was
unsure about Kat and I, but we grew that, we
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grew that, we grew that we had our guards up.
But anything that was happening or lingering before the show
or whatever, it was kind of irrelevant to me because
I was so clear at a certain point when we
crossed that path and where we were at and we
really both said, like, hey, we're going to do this thing.
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There was no question and I've told Kat this many
times and I said it on the show. If it
wasn't Kat, there was no one else for me on
that beach, And it was less about the people coming in.
It was more about us getting tighter together and me
letting my guard down and her also letting her guard down,
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and building that trust and that understanding that like push
come to show we're going to be there and at
the end of the day too, Like there's so many
more difficult things in life. So if that was something
that we had to get over and get past, that
happened before I even knew Kat at all, Like, it's
not that deep, Like I could totally do that, and
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we had the time to do that after the fact,
we did those things, we asked those questions, So I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think it also shows I think it's a testimony
to his securement with himself too, And I think the
goal at the time was maybe to break him. And
I definitely know partners that I've been met that that
would hold a lot more precedent than the person that's
standing in front of him, which is me.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
And what we've built.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And I think it takes a certain person to feel
confident who they are and what the relationship has built
to keep that between us and work through what we
need to and see if it can be something we can.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah, because people were like, Oh, we just want to
look out for you, we care for you.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Needed to know this.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
And I even said on the show, I was like,
you're not saving me from like I made this decision.
This is what I'm standing with, So you're not saving
me from anything.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Let's just be clear though, on the timeline, tell me
if I'm wrong. You had emailed somebody that you were
seeing before very early on in the show.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Once Dale showed up, that stop.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
No, I wasn't ever ever texting or communicating from the
outside world when the show had started.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So the show started, no more communication, Dale comes in,
There was no more conation.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, we don't have access to our stuff like they
security comes and digs it.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just I think that was a point that people were
confused by, like was this happening throughout the season? Was
this going on when airing when you were still dating?
But once the show started, you were done. No more texts.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Nothing, I mean that's and so the way that I
also heard things just get so twisted and construed made
me very uncomfortable to ever say anything because I'm like, well,
if this is how things are being taken, I'm not
going to say anything because the last thing I'm going
to have is my words be twisted or anything be
taken out of context.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah so yousha, I mean, you just didn't want to
talk anymore.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
You. I was, well it, I had a panic attack,
like it.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I never want to like, like, my experience from two
years ago with Paradise was still my experience.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
It was who I was at the time, but it
was really really difficult.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
And a lot of that experience came with every single
day putting out fires or trying to at least, And
in that moment, I felt all those feelings I had
felt and that was something I had already like moved through,
and I just felt really like I was back in
that environment where I can't trust myself, I can't trust
people around me, and I'm like scared of to lose
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someone to care about.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
So it went on a lot longer than that was shown.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
It went on for a very long time and then
to the point where like I couldn't say words and
I had like a full panic attack.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
So that's why I had to walk off.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
And I can relate to that too, because like I
had a moment also where I had to step away
and it had nothing to do with the situation like
with Cat.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Personally, but I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I am in like this chaos, Like I didn't do
anything wrong, Like I don't want I don't want this
to be our story because this is not right. It
was about like this is not right, and you know,
the producer saw me like like I was in tears,
but it wasn't about hurt. I was so disappointed and
frustrated in the situation and how that even happened, because
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like what Cat and I had built was so beautiful
and like if there was a stain on it in
this way, I was like, that's just not right, Like
this is not it just it was like a righteous.
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Speaker 7 (20:39):
Is there a moment though where that hit for you?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Because watching the season back, it felt like, all of
a sudden, you guys were a serious couple. Like, you know,
there was the start that I have obviously had its
stuff going on, and then we had like a couple
episodes where it just kind of felt like we didn't
see you all on the show much, and then all
of a sudden, you're like a serious couple. Is there
a moment that you remember, like where you felt like
you crossed that bridge and all of a sudden said, no,
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this is somebody I'm gonna fight for. This is somebody
that I'm going to get angry for, and this is
somebody I'm going to trust and try to move past
this whole experience with.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean, I think that was the whole time.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
We just didn't have those some of those situations I
think where Kat and I really crossed that bridge.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Was after I'll say from what people.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Saw on the show, like the conversation with Lisha, she
knew where my rose was going. Uh Alesia knew, you know,
I told her, And that was the moment where it's
like literally because we would have these conversations about if
someone comes in and and for me too, I am
someone who wants to be prudent and make the right choice.
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And in some relationships in the past, like you know,
I gave so much and I it didn't work out,
which is fine because you try hard, you die hard,
but like that's how you get the greatest gifts.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
But I didn't want to do that again.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
So I was very hesitant, like I just needed to
know this is who I'm rocking to ride with. And
I had to also look at myself and say, like
all these people are coming in and everything brings me
closer to Kat. It's not about anyone else that's coming
in Cat, and I gotta get right. And I think
also in our conversation, I was pretty direct and stern,
like I was just like, look, I just need more
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like whatever history, whatever past, whatever it is, I want
to know that, like I'm not going to judge you.
I'm not going to press on like that's the most
beautiful thing about you. And I think that was the
moment where we both not speaking, and you.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Can well it was the nearly Rows ceremony before I
turned to a competition. I can say for the exact
moment because I remember everything. I mean, my feelings for
him are always developing. But I was also very guarded because.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I had a failed engagement.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
You know, this is like a scary environment to be in,
and I was just always fearful that someone wasn't who
they said they were. So I think that translated with
maybe a little bit more hesitation emotionally and sharing.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Who I am. But you're able to grow really fast
in paradise.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So we got to the point where he was like
basically asking for more, and I gave it to him,
and I gave him a look and to my personal life,
my past, my childhood, things that I typically only share
people that I care about, And I think my ability
to be vulnerable allowed him to also kind of like
let his shoulders down and relax.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
A little bit. And from there it just happened to
turn into a competition that night where no one else
is coming in so it was perfect for me. I
didn't have to worry about anything anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
But I think that in that night we were like, okay,
like we've done the thing. It keeps bringing us closer, Like, actually,
let's focus on our relationship. And so that was before
it even turned into a competition. Really yeah, yeah, and
they kind of cut around that up that thing, which
I'm not like upset about because I did get really
deep about my life. But I think that was probably
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our biggest turning point. And then also when he and
when I fully crashed out and it did not scare him.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Really it was like really real time, it was so
much more intense.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Exactly, it was bad. It was way longer. I was like.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Shivering.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh no, No.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
He was like trying so much to help me, and
I kept like trying to help him while being helped.
And then like every time he'd helped me, I would
like go into like a fire ant pile or like
lose it again, and like it was bad, but it
got to the point where I was like crying and upset.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
But it finally got to the point where I had
the breakdown.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't want to skip over the fire ants. I
hate fire ants, and it was insane. Those existed on
there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You see me itching my antone in my life, frozen
and like petrified in fear to where they couldn't move. Yeah,
I think you saw a glimpse of it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But legitimately, like I thought they were gonna have to
call the paramedics or like they like.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
The therapist have to come in. She was like, I
was thinking about taking you back.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
They were about to take her out of there. It
got It was intense, you guys, I mean you did.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean I think you've you've hinted at it so
many times that you know, you were tested and tried,
and you came out of this thing together. And I
want to close with you know, the excitement that is
your future. But I do have two little side questions
here that people wrote into us.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Sure, and then I also wanted.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
To touch on the one because I do think it's
a point of clarity that all of us need, mostly
for your benefit. Sure, this friendship with Sean, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
It did you know?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It was communicated to us as viewers, and I'm watching
it being like, I don't know these two people, they
could have been best friends outside of this, right that
you two were really close friends, and then all of
a sudden, it felt like you turned on him and
he turned on you, and it got really ugly quick.
Can you give us clarity into where your friendship actually
was with Sean entering into this season.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I never want to.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Speak for someone else's experience or how they interpreted a friendship, right,
but I will just tell you matter of fact, we
were friends right after.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
The original Paradise.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
We would talk a little bit, kind of like get
boy advice about John Henry at the time and vice versa.
We just had that common ground of Tampa. I moved
to San Diego very shortly after, which has now been
almost two years since I moved to San Diego. Since then,
it's we did not text every day, We did not
phone call every month.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I hit him.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Up when I was home and I was like, hey,
like you should meet my new boyfriend. This was like
last year at some point, we're in town whatever, and
that's when he had met my ex.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
And then that was in October.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And then in December, when I was home for the holidays,
I happened to see him at a bar. That was
the time that i'd seen him too. But we did
not communicate. I don't even think I replied his Instagram
stories or anything like that. When I got my first
phone call for Paradise, I called him and I said,
are you going to Paradise?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Like they're calling people.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He's like, no, they haven't called me yet, and I
was like, call them, tell them you want to go
so that I'm not on the beach without anyone because
I didn't know anybody, and kind of here and there
we'd like text or something like before it would come.
And then I think, like maybe right before parody started,
we had like a long phone call and just like
kind of talked about who we're interested in and stuff
like that. But that's kind of where that friendship, like
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tangibly was communication wise. But I do think that he
felt and I did too, like a sense of like
connection in an environment where we both didn't really know anyone.
So that's where that loyalty I think felt. But as
far as like, I still didn't really I didn't know
him as much or as deep as anymore. So when
he was moving in the way he was, I was like, well,
(27:35):
maybe this is who he is. I'm a different person
than I was two years ago. Maybe this is who
he is, and I don't really want to be associated
with that, and that was something I was very clear
and honest about. But he's only met my ex twice,
so they're not like BFFs, and both times were with me.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
So it was confusing.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But I also don't want to invalidate like how he
saw our friendship. But at the same time, like, I
just didn't think that I have friends that I'm much
closer with and I'm on the same time zone as
and like talk.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Much more often. So no, thanks for that's pretty I
don't know if that's like makes sense, but it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's that's the probably the most irrelevant question that you
transition into your relationship and where it's going with kat
is you have been rumored to be the next Bachelor
or in the running to be the next bat So funny,
it's been something we've talked about here at Almost Famous podcast.
It feels like for months, really you've had to see
(28:32):
the rumors. Maybe you're in paradise at the time. Uh,
if they called you to ask you to be the Bachelor,
would you see be saying yes or no?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I'm committed?
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Okay, can I enjoy?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
She's like, oh, they're doing that.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
That was never something like that was in the cards
or like in even my mindset.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I'm just focused on this right here. That's literally my
only focus.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
What is the focus?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Like where explain to everybody where you're at, what's exciting,
what's next.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And walk on the beach tomorrow for the first time.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
A lot of it is experiencing life together because you know,
our worlds are we have a lot of similarities, but
our worlds are a lot different, and I think that
crossover and understanding each side of the fence is so
so important.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And again I'll say.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
That's a big thing for me too, because I hadn't
always had that, like in previous relationships where there was
much time with family or meeting a lot of my friends.
I travel a lot, you know, That's something that I've
always cut down because of a relationship. When the time
is right, we do a lot more as existed because
we couldn't even be public. But we just want to
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build this as strong as possible. I think we've had
all the conversations. We know where we're at in life
right now. We're not just dating just for companionship, like
I'm looking for a partnership we talk about what we
want with kids, with life, with locations, even though we're
on different side of the coast, Like, you know, it's
a real thing. But you know, I'd say we're fortunate
(30:11):
from the standpoint that you bridge the gap and we understand,
like and we're open to it's not about like just
one side or this or that, like these are the
things that if we're going to come together and we're
going to do this right, how do we do this?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
There's give and take compromise.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean he has the ability to kind of
move a little bit freely when it comes to work.
I work a steady like Monday through Thursday. But I
now that we can actually do things together and he
does do traveling for work. I don't know, I'm going
to just come on his trips with him.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
And join him in on it.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And during that we're still building, Like it's still been
around four to five, Like we're only up four months, right,
so now we get to go to that next phase
of relationship where we can really build and see where
it goes. But with us just having that like same
goal to bring us closer and bridge that gap is
what is really I think needed and just keep checking
in and making sure that we're doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Like you said, you have to walk on the beach
tomorrow together. That's a big deal deal.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
He wouldn't even come into get to go food with me,
Like we would order food, and he wouldn't even come
into the gas station with me, Like he was so
serious about the rules.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
So I'm no, I know, but I'm so excited to
just like be like this is what I'm in and
like we're walking on the beach and like having a
morning coffee, Like I'm just so excited to live.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Like, yeah, both we have both looked forward to that.
You know, we're sending pictures to each other.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
All the time and like can't wait.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
There's a lot of things that we would have done
together that would have been fucking ten times better together
that we just simply couldn't do. But that's not going
to change, and the simple things are the best things.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Though.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Today we're closing this thing out. You're getting ready to
walk off the stage. You no longer have to hide.
Dale and Kat, thank you for joining us. Thank you
for explaining all the stuff that was questions and up
in the air from a viewers standpoint. Thanks for sitting
with us today. It's been a long day of talking
about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I love hearing here talk about how much he likes
to keep it up.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But now you're done, Go enjoy it, celebrate walk on
the beach.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Thanks for joining the almost podcast. Rose all day, all
day out there with the Almost Famous podcast. Until next time.
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hey, everybody's been here with the Almost Famous podcast. Today
we have Dale and Kat with us, coming fresh off
of the reunion episode that was just filmed right here
on the stage. That we're sitting at nice stage. It
is a nice stage. I want to start. What were
your emotions like going into today, Well, be honest, this
(01:16):
is a place to.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Be honest, ladies. Ladies first, well.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
A conference post game talk. Well, going into today, obviously
there was a lot of things we needed to discuss
from the whole season in general, I'd say nervous, but
also really excited to be able to like share our
story and share our time together and kind of like
catch up with everybody else.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
But you know, putting ourselves back.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
In these spaces can be a little nerve wracking, and
coming off of last night's episode was also a lot too, so,
but I was mostly excited just to kind of like
see everyone and share our relationship.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yeah, because I think you you never know what someone's
holding on to or anything like that. But a kind
of the whole season, right, we were we were excited
about how things finished with us. Also the fact that
we've been just building this relationship and kind of the
same way during the season, We're like, you know, whatever happens,
(02:12):
we'll speak our truth, but we're not going to compromise
our integrity. We're not trying to get into too much chaos,
and at the end of the day, like, we have
great relationships with everyone on the show, so yeah, I
think it's like there's unknown variables going into this that
you don't know may come up, but overall, we were
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just kind of happy to see everyone.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, I feel pretty confident with him.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Like by my side, I will say, like I can
go into uncomfortable environments with.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Dale and like feel safe. So I think coming into
don't burn the stage down.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But like, yeah, I knew that no matter what, if
I needed to be like kind of brought back down
on earth, that he would be there.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So so you whispering in her ear during kind of
the most contentious moments of the reunion. I don't think
audio will pick it up, but I did watch what
were you just telling her?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
I was honestly just saying, hey, like chill, give everyone
their time to speak, because I think everyone deserves that.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But it's easy to take a lot of things personal.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Right because you go through this experience with people and
sometimes it's projection. But at the end of the day
as well, I think it's important to understand your emotions
and where they're coming from. But you know it also
like still keep your composure and focus more on our experience.
Speak your truth, but not be as reactive and understanding.
(03:43):
It was the biggest thing, because emotions can get heightened.
I've been there, but I also think like we're so
far removed from a lot of the chaos, and.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's kind of just how we've been rolling since the
show's been done.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You like said, like I do, I feel a lot
of other people's emotions, so like I want to, like,
I have a lot to say a lot of times,
but he's helped me realize, like sometimes it's you don't
have to say all the things and it's your pick
your battles in a way, so he kind of helped
me calm back down.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Dale mentioned here a second ago that you were excited
about how your experience ended. I think that is a
shocking statement because from a viewer standpoint, it felt like
your relationship was going so well and then all of
a sudden things ended at the worst possible moment in
your relationship. Can you bring some clarity to why you
(04:38):
said that you were excited about how you guys left,
and then also what you two were experiencing, as obviously
you were kind of in this very tumultuous situation.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
For me, it was just that we were together, that
we stick up for each other, and obviously there was
a competition.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know, I was pretty upset.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
About us losing the physical challenge because that was the
first time in my life I've ever honestly felt vulnerable physically.
But we moved past that so quickly. But we talk
about the Way to the World challenge, and you know,
in theory, we won that challenge. It was a very
intense moment with the entire cast coming back, and I
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think a lot of people in certain situations maybe would
have handled it differently. But Kat and I had gone
through real challenges that relationships go through in a very
short time. But I told her early on in the season,
like I'm not jumping ship, Like I'm down to ride,
and you know, if I'm down to ride for someone,
and we get to that point, like I don't care
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about what comes our way because we can work through it.
And I think we had beautiful moments throughout our relationship,
but in one of the most difficult ones when it
could have gone either way, that's where we grew the most,
and that's what set the foundation for the conversations that
we had after we were off Paradise to ask the
hard questions in a way that we knew. We were
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asking the questions not to get out of a situation
or a relationship, to build it stronger than ever. And
I think that was just an important thing for both
of us.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, Kat, when the parliament came back and they walked
down through the resort to where you guys were standing,
did you have a feeling at that point that this
was going to turn ugly or were you kind of
thrown off guard once Sean and Alicia started talking.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I mean, seeing everybody come back, I was actually really excited,
but I remembered mostly like how we had voted, how
the season had went, and like going against Justine Spencer
like we're cooked, which is fine. I was so comfortable
with where we were at in a relationship at that point.
I had absolutely no idea that it was going to
be what it was. I sent some type of energy,
(07:03):
which I think I had said to him at some point,
like I think Alicia is like not being nice to be.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I don't know what's going on, but some thing's like
going on.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And then very shortly after that is when the clink
clink happened in front of everyone, but I was very
taken surprise surprise with how it went down.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
For sure, we see during the show that the two
of you kind of walk off and you're telling Dale
at that moment, I don't want to talk about it here.
I don't want to talk about this here. I think
from a fan standpoint, we're watching it being like, well,
guilty as charged, she doesn't want to talk about it
on camera. If you weren't guilty, she'd be talking about
(07:41):
it right here. What was your intention with telling Dale
at that time? Hey, I don't want to talk about
it right now.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I think that's a totally fair judgment. But unfortunately, like,
unless you're in this space, you'll it's hard to understand.
I've had many rounds within this franchise, or at least
in a setting where you can be really vulnerable, and
in that moment, I just felt like nobody deserved any
kind of explanation or any more words that could potentially
(08:10):
be twisted, because that's what I just witnessed, And the
only person who I would be willing to have a
conversation with in private would be Dale, because he's the
only one that deserves that, and I just didn't feel
like I owed anything to anyone.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Plus I was really really emotionally.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Charged, so the last thing I wanted was to say
something that could be misunderstood, or if I would say
something that wasn't articulated appropriately, like this is something I
really cared about, and I just wanted it to have
the attention that it deserved, and it was not going
to be in that space or at that time.
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Tell me if I'm wrong, I don't think you will.
But it seemed like, really the last two episodes of
your experience on the show, we really got to see
a dynamic in your relationship where Dale was speaking kind
(09:37):
of like he did during the reunion. He was whispering
in your ear, telling you, hey, take a breath count
to ten, Calm down. That's how he supports you to
get a glimpse into your where your relationship stands today.
How do you best support him?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think that we know each other's triggers in our
moments of grounding that is needed.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Like I would say, I hoped.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Bring him down after a lot of competitions of us
being lost when he was a little hot and heavy,
and I reminded him like what really matters, and when
he has a really good way of seeing things more
objective and like less emotionally like charged, whereas I don't.
So it's helpful when we're in like heighten emotional situations
(10:20):
where he can like remind me and I'm like really
good at receiving that. And I respect his opinion and
I respect how he sees the world, so I also
have how to allow that, which takes time to like
I love to say no before I say yes, But
as time has gone on, as times going on, I've
learned to trust it more and like know that his
intentions are never to like it's to help me, right,
(10:43):
And I think that depending on each other's triggers, like
he can probably test to it more.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I don't really know.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
But I know that I've seen you get a little
worked up, and I think that I try my best
to just remind you he doesn't. I've had partners that
like if I were to ever like snap for like
trying to bring them back to Earth, they get like
more upset. It actually works with him, like he'll like
he doesn't take offense to it, and he's I think
he also values my opinion too it.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But I've only really had to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think when it comes to at least in Paradise
was like after the competitions when you didn't really like
losing that much.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Yeah, But I also think it's reminding me because I
moved through things very quickly. One of my greatest gifts
is I don't feel like a lot of things affect me,
and I can move through things and be very very
even keeled. But you know, some tough moments, I can
bury those. But also you bury great moments when you're
that's one of your.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Mechanisms, if you will.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
But KAT definitely without even saying it or you know,
intentionally doing it reminds me a lot about like the
joy and the excitement of like little and small things
or there's something good that happens and I'm like, oh,
it's just part for the course and I'm moving to
the next thing. She's like, no, you need to sell
lebrate those things. And I think one of the things
(12:05):
that we both talk about all the time, and she
would say because we couldn't be public, is like, I
can't wait to experience life with you. I can't wait
till we experience these things together. And that's why I
came on Paradise. So and that's been a tough thing
for us.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Because what do you mean, that's why you came on
Paradise And a.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Lot of relationships previously our lives were so segmented, you know,
some because of distance and just timing and the pandemic
and all these things. But I always felt like I
poured out so much into relationships and I didn't always
(12:45):
get the reciprocity. And it wasn't about like tit for tat.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It was just like I didn't get experience as much
as I would like to with my partner.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
And I think really just the excitement and the opportunity
to experience new things together. We've already got plans for
for so many things. There's a lot of things that
have happened that we couldn't experience together.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But there was still the excitement of like when we.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Can or like I can't wait to show you this thing,
and I haven't been able to do that for the
last five six years, you know, and that's what matters
to me, Like my relationship, my family, career is like
something that's important, but that's for stability and security.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I think I remember him to I think you remind
him to laugh a little bit more and be a
little bit more goofy.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
You had a little spice too.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It seems like, like I do you know, Dale, seems
very much like let's just keep going and you like
shake it up a little bit, which is a very
good thing to have.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
When Dala comes.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
Out there, I do say I wish I could be
more unbothered, but it's just not in this lifetime.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You are as I know.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
It's going to make life fun, I know. Unfortunately, though
your experience and I got a lot of clarity.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think during the reunion episode into this whole texting
thing that happened, Dale, you seem thrown off honestly watching
the show because you were like, no, I don't care
what happened before this, and they said, no, it happened now.
And all of a sudden, you took usip of your
drink and you're like, oh well, all right, all right,
let's figure that one out. But you said something dale
(14:28):
during the reunion that people can listen to, but I
want to bring it up here. You said, Hey, that
happened at the beginning. This is where we're at now,
we're moving into life together.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
For listeners of this show that maybe won't tune into
the reunion, but I.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Encourage you to do.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's only going to be on the Bachelor Happy Hour podcast,
give us insight into why that moment didn't break you.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I mean, you go through an experience and a journey
with someone for a month. We all have these ideas
of what we want, how things are going to go
coming in and the moment I met Kat, I was
unsure about Kat and I, but we grew that, we
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grew that, we grew that we had our guards up.
But anything that was happening or lingering before the show
or whatever, it was kind of irrelevant to me because
I was so clear at a certain point when we
crossed that path and where we were at and we
really both said, like, hey, we're going to do this thing.
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There was no question and I've told Kat this many
times and I said it on the show. If it
wasn't Kat, there was no one else for me on
that beach, And it was less about the people coming in.
It was more about us getting tighter together and me
letting my guard down and her also letting her guard down,
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and building that trust and that understanding that like push
come to show we're going to be there and at
the end of the day too, Like there's so many
more difficult things in life. So if that was something
that we had to get over and get past, that
happened before I even knew Kat at all, Like, it's
not that deep, Like I could totally do that, and
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we had the time to do that after the fact,
we did those things, we asked those questions, So I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think it also shows I think it's a testimony
to his securement with himself too, And I think the
goal at the time was maybe to break him. And
I definitely know partners that I've been met that that
would hold a lot more precedent than the person that's
standing in front of him, which is me.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
And what we've built.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And I think it takes a certain person to feel
confident who they are and what the relationship has built
to keep that between us and work through what we
need to and see if it can be something we can.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah, because people were like, Oh, we just want to
look out for you, we care for you.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Needed to know this.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
And I even said on the show, I was like,
you're not saving me from like I made this decision.
This is what I'm standing with, So you're not saving
me from anything.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Let's just be clear though, on the timeline, tell me
if I'm wrong. You had emailed somebody that you were
seeing before very early on in the show.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Once Dale showed up, that stop.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
No, I wasn't ever ever texting or communicating from the
outside world when the show had started.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So the show started, no more communication, Dale comes in,
There was no more conation.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, we don't have access to our stuff like they
security comes and digs it.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just I think that was a point that people were
confused by, like was this happening throughout the season? Was
this going on when airing when you were still dating?
But once the show started, you were done. No more texts.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Nothing, I mean that's and so the way that I
also heard things just get so twisted and construed made
me very uncomfortable to ever say anything because I'm like, well,
if this is how things are being taken, I'm not
going to say anything because the last thing I'm going
to have is my words be twisted or anything be
taken out of context.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah so yousha, I mean, you just didn't want to
talk anymore.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
You. I was, well it, I had a panic attack,
like it.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I never want to like, like, my experience from two
years ago with Paradise was still my experience.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
It was who I was at the time, but it
was really really difficult.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
And a lot of that experience came with every single
day putting out fires or trying to at least, And
in that moment, I felt all those feelings I had
felt and that was something I had already like moved through,
and I just felt really like I was back in
that environment where I can't trust myself, I can't trust
people around me, and I'm like scared of to lose
(18:43):
someone to care about.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
So it went on a lot longer than that was shown.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
It went on for a very long time and then
to the point where like I couldn't say words and
I had like a full panic attack.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
So that's why I had to walk off.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
And I can relate to that too, because like I
had a moment also where I had to step away
and it had nothing to do with the situation like
with Cat.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Personally, but I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I am in like this chaos, Like I didn't do
anything wrong, Like I don't want I don't want this
to be our story because this is not right. It
was about like this is not right, and you know,
the producer saw me like like I was in tears,
but it wasn't about hurt. I was so disappointed and
frustrated in the situation and how that even happened, because
(19:37):
like what Cat and I had built was so beautiful
and like if there was a stain on it in
this way, I was like, that's just not right, Like
this is not it just it was like a righteous.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Moment right.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
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Speaker 7 (20:39):
Is there a moment though where that hit for you?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Because watching the season back, it felt like, all of
a sudden, you guys were a serious couple. Like, you know,
there was the start that I have obviously had its
stuff going on, and then we had like a couple
episodes where it just kind of felt like we didn't
see you all on the show much, and then all
of a sudden, you're like a serious couple. Is there
a moment that you remember, like where you felt like
you crossed that bridge and all of a sudden said, no,
(21:04):
this is somebody I'm gonna fight for. This is somebody
that I'm going to get angry for, and this is
somebody I'm going to trust and try to move past
this whole experience with.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean, I think that was the whole time.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
We just didn't have those some of those situations I
think where Kat and I really crossed that bridge.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Was after I'll say from what people.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Saw on the show, like the conversation with Lisha, she
knew where my rose was going. Uh Alesia knew, you know,
I told her, And that was the moment where it's
like literally because we would have these conversations about if
someone comes in and and for me too, I am
someone who wants to be prudent and make the right choice.
(21:44):
And in some relationships in the past, like you know,
I gave so much and I it didn't work out,
which is fine because you try hard, you die hard,
but like that's how you get the greatest gifts.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
But I didn't want to do that again.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
So I was very hesitant, like I just needed to
know this is who I'm rocking to ride with. And
I had to also look at myself and say, like
all these people are coming in and everything brings me
closer to Kat. It's not about anyone else that's coming
in Cat, and I gotta get right. And I think
also in our conversation, I was pretty direct and stern,
like I was just like, look, I just need more
(22:23):
like whatever history, whatever past, whatever it is, I want
to know that, like I'm not going to judge you.
I'm not going to press on like that's the most
beautiful thing about you. And I think that was the
moment where we both not speaking, and you.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Can well it was the nearly Rows ceremony before I
turned to a competition. I can say for the exact
moment because I remember everything. I mean, my feelings for
him are always developing. But I was also very guarded because.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I had a failed engagement.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
You know, this is like a scary environment to be in,
and I was just always fearful that someone wasn't who
they said they were. So I think that translated with
maybe a little bit more hesitation emotionally and sharing.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Who I am. But you're able to grow really fast
in paradise.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So we got to the point where he was like
basically asking for more, and I gave it to him,
and I gave him a look and to my personal life,
my past, my childhood, things that I typically only share
people that I care about, And I think my ability
to be vulnerable allowed him to also kind of like
let his shoulders down and relax.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
A little bit. And from there it just happened to
turn into a competition that night where no one else
is coming in so it was perfect for me. I
didn't have to worry about anything anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
But I think that in that night we were like, okay,
like we've done the thing. It keeps bringing us closer, Like, actually,
let's focus on our relationship. And so that was before
it even turned into a competition. Really yeah, yeah, and
they kind of cut around that up that thing, which
I'm not like upset about because I did get really
deep about my life. But I think that was probably
(24:02):
our biggest turning point. And then also when he and
when I fully crashed out and it did not scare him.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Really it was like really real time, it was so
much more intense.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Exactly, it was bad. It was way longer. I was like.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Shivering.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh no, No.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
He was like trying so much to help me, and
I kept like trying to help him while being helped.
And then like every time he'd helped me, I would
like go into like a fire ant pile or like
lose it again, and like it was bad, but it
got to the point where I was like crying and upset.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
But it finally got to the point where I had
the breakdown.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I don't want to skip over the fire ants. I
hate fire ants, and it was insane. Those existed on
there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You see me itching my antone in my life, frozen
and like petrified in fear to where they couldn't move. Yeah,
I think you saw a glimpse of it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But legitimately, like I thought they were gonna have to
call the paramedics or like they like.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
The therapist have to come in. She was like, I
was thinking about taking you back.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
They were about to take her out of there. It
got It was intense, you guys, I mean you did.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean I think you've you've hinted at it so
many times that you know, you were tested and tried,
and you came out of this thing together. And I
want to close with you know, the excitement that is
your future. But I do have two little side questions
here that people wrote into us.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Sure, and then I also wanted.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
To touch on the one because I do think it's
a point of clarity that all of us need, mostly
for your benefit. Sure, this friendship with Sean, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
It did you know?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It was communicated to us as viewers, and I'm watching
it being like, I don't know these two people, they
could have been best friends outside of this, right that
you two were really close friends, and then all of
a sudden, it felt like you turned on him and
he turned on you, and it got really ugly quick.
Can you give us clarity into where your friendship actually
was with Sean entering into this season.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I never want to.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Speak for someone else's experience or how they interpreted a friendship, right,
but I will just tell you matter of fact, we
were friends right after.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
The original Paradise.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
We would talk a little bit, kind of like get
boy advice about John Henry at the time and vice versa.
We just had that common ground of Tampa. I moved
to San Diego very shortly after, which has now been
almost two years since I moved to San Diego. Since then,
it's we did not text every day, We did not
phone call every month.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I hit him.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Up when I was home and I was like, hey,
like you should meet my new boyfriend. This was like
last year at some point, we're in town whatever, and
that's when he had met my ex.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
And then that was in October.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And then in December, when I was home for the holidays,
I happened to see him at a bar. That was
the time that i'd seen him too. But we did
not communicate. I don't even think I replied his Instagram
stories or anything like that. When I got my first
phone call for Paradise, I called him and I said,
are you going to Paradise?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Like they're calling people.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He's like, no, they haven't called me yet, and I
was like, call them, tell them you want to go
so that I'm not on the beach without anyone because
I didn't know anybody, and kind of here and there
we'd like text or something like before it would come.
And then I think, like maybe right before parody started,
we had like a long phone call and just like
kind of talked about who we're interested in and stuff
like that. But that's kind of where that friendship, like
(27:14):
tangibly was communication wise. But I do think that he
felt and I did too, like a sense of like
connection in an environment where we both didn't really know anyone.
So that's where that loyalty I think felt. But as
far as like, I still didn't really I didn't know
him as much or as deep as anymore. So when
he was moving in the way he was, I was like, well,
(27:35):
maybe this is who he is. I'm a different person
than I was two years ago. Maybe this is who
he is, and I don't really want to be associated
with that, and that was something I was very clear
and honest about. But he's only met my ex twice,
so they're not like BFFs, and both times were with me.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
So it was confusing.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
But I also don't want to invalidate like how he
saw our friendship. But at the same time, like, I
just didn't think that I have friends that I'm much
closer with and I'm on the same time zone as
and like talk.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Much more often. So no, thanks for that's pretty I
don't know if that's like makes sense, but it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's that's the probably the most irrelevant question that you
transition into your relationship and where it's going with kat
is you have been rumored to be the next Bachelor
or in the running to be the next bat So funny,
it's been something we've talked about here at Almost Famous podcast.
It feels like for months, really you've had to see
(28:32):
the rumors. Maybe you're in paradise at the time. Uh,
if they called you to ask you to be the Bachelor,
would you see be saying yes or no?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I'm committed?
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Okay, can I enjoy?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
She's like, oh, they're doing that.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
That was never something like that was in the cards
or like in even my mindset.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I'm just focused on this right here. That's literally my
only focus.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
What is the focus?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Like where explain to everybody where you're at, what's exciting,
what's next.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And walk on the beach tomorrow for the first time.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
A lot of it is experiencing life together because you know,
our worlds are we have a lot of similarities, but
our worlds are a lot different, and I think that
crossover and understanding each side of the fence is so
so important.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And again I'll say.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
That's a big thing for me too, because I hadn't
always had that, like in previous relationships where there was
much time with family or meeting a lot of my friends.
I travel a lot, you know, That's something that I've
always cut down because of a relationship. When the time
is right, we do a lot more as existed because
we couldn't even be public. But we just want to
(29:48):
build this as strong as possible. I think we've had
all the conversations. We know where we're at in life
right now. We're not just dating just for companionship, like
I'm looking for a partnership we talk about what we
want with kids, with life, with locations, even though we're
on different side of the coast, Like, you know, it's
a real thing. But you know, I'd say we're fortunate
(30:11):
from the standpoint that you bridge the gap and we understand,
like and we're open to it's not about like just
one side or this or that, like these are the
things that if we're going to come together and we're
going to do this right, how do we do this?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
There's give and take compromise.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean he has the ability to kind of
move a little bit freely when it comes to work.
I work a steady like Monday through Thursday. But I
now that we can actually do things together and he
does do traveling for work. I don't know, I'm going
to just come on his trips with him.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
And join him in on it.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And during that we're still building, Like it's still been
around four to five, Like we're only up four months, right,
so now we get to go to that next phase
of relationship where we can really build and see where
it goes. But with us just having that like same
goal to bring us closer and bridge that gap is
what is really I think needed and just keep checking
in and making sure that we're doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Like you said, you have to walk on the beach
tomorrow together. That's a big deal deal.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
He wouldn't even come into get to go food with me,
Like we would order food, and he wouldn't even come
into the gas station with me, Like he was so
serious about the rules.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
So I'm no, I know, but I'm so excited to
just like be like this is what I'm in and
like we're walking on the beach and like having a
morning coffee, Like I'm just so excited to live.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Like, yeah, both we have both looked forward to that.
You know, we're sending pictures to each other.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
All the time and like can't wait.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
There's a lot of things that we would have done
together that would have been fucking ten times better together
that we just simply couldn't do. But that's not going
to change, and the simple things are the best things.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Though.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Today we're closing this thing out. You're getting ready to
walk off the stage. You no longer have to hide.
Dale and Kat, thank you for joining us. Thank you
for explaining all the stuff that was questions and up
in the air from a viewers standpoint. Thanks for sitting
with us today. It's been a long day of talking
about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I love hearing here talk about how much he likes
to keep it up.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But now you're done, Go enjoy it, celebrate walk on
the beach.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Thanks for joining the almost podcast. Rose all day, all
day out there with the Almost Famous podcast. Until next time.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
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