December 9, 2025 • 27 mins
This week was LOADED with Bachelor Nation headlines and Ben & Ashley are ready to break them all down.
Madi Prewett said something controversial again… but Ben is here to try to explain where she’s coming from.
Cassie Randolph is married! We get into all the details of her breathtaking wedding and how she might be connected to Glen Powell.
Plus, an OG Bachelor couple celebrates a major milestone!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost famous podcast. I'm here today with Ashley and
we're gonna break down all the news happening in Bachelor Nation.
And there's some big news Ashley.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
There is good news this week. I mean what I
mean good news. I mean we got some juicy scoop.
This is not a pointless headlines at all. Ben dive
into it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
A bachelorlum Cassie Randolph, Mary's musician Brighton rein Harp and
an intimate Costa Rican wedding.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Then, like, obviously we're partial to our own weddings and
our own wedding photos, but I could look at these
wedding photos for I could frame them in my own house.
That's how breathtaking. Cassie looks as she always does. I mean,
she is one of the most stunning people that I've
really ever seen in my life. And this is exactly
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what I imagined her to look like as a bride.
But just seeing is just too much. It's so stunning.
So she and Brighton, he's a musician, they were friends.
They've been friends for ten years. They've known each other
ten years, and they started dating in twenty twenty dated
for ten years. He proposed in twenty twenty four, and
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the couple had seventy people at this wedding in Costa Rica,
like you mentioned, and it was officiated by both of
their brothers, which is really cute. They said that they're
both nervous but excited and it was such a meaningful
and personal touch to do that. And then, of course
what's dominating the headlines is that Michelle Cassie is Cassie's sister,
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who you know, is part of the Yellowstone franchise. She
has been seen out and about with Glenn Powell, and
US Weekly is reporting that they are dating casually. Somebody
said that there was like people were watching out basically
to see if he would come to this wedding. Did not,
which I think is expected. They've only been spotted like
(02:04):
a time or two together. But anyway, the Randoff girls
are just so stunning and I love looking at them
and I'm happy for all their romantic successes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They have a really good looking family.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's I mean, like they're just really unbelievable. The brother
is also gorgeous, Like isn't there is there four of them?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I don't know, but it's like pretty stupid, Like it's
one of those families that you're like, this isn't real. No, absolutely,
this can't happen. No, the next headline is Bachelor alum
Maddie Pruett is back in the headlines. She is quoted
in a podcast of her saying she struggled to learn
about being a submissive wife. Now it's her favorite thing.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Okay, So Ben, I'm gonna let you handle this headline.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh it was.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was quite something to see on the timeline last week.
The quote is during a podcast that she and her
husband Grant, were doing with Bryce Crawford. I'm sure, do
you know who Bryce Crawford is.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I do. Yeah. He's like a young kind of like
Christian speaker.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Okay that's what I figured. Okay, cool. So they were
doing a podcast with him and she said that she's
learned a lot about being a submissive wife. It was
a challenge for me at first, and now it's like
my favorite thing. I love talking about submission. And this
is going on top of an interview that she or
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a podcast that she did back in twenty twenty four
where she said, as a wife, I'm called to submit,
I'm called to respect. I'm called to honor, I'm called
to love. I'm called to be committed and to keep
our marriage bed pure and to make him other than
God my greatest priority. So Ben, I mean, I didn't
I read the comments. I know a lot of these posts,
(03:49):
and I feel like I'm in the majority. Actually, the
only comments that I ever that I saw were ugh
and I have to just agree. Please tell me where
we are all not seeing something.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
M Oh goodness is such a good conversation.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I know, I know this could be a whole podcast.
I'm I'm so sorry to put this on you, but
I can try my best, our Christian speaker here on
the podcast. Please do your best.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'll do my best. Well, okay, let's start with giving
a picture of when and where this was said. It
was set in a podcast. It was kind of a
quick comment. Jessica and I went back and listened to
it because we're like, huh.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay, thank you, thanks for doing that, bad podcast host
and not giving myself.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, and so I will give Maddie the benefit of
the doubt by saying like context and headlines is never
a thing, and so just like any clickbait, rage bait,
you never get context. This was a little rage and
to be honest. So I'm actually gonna go see Maddie
(05:07):
this week and talk with her, and I have a
lot of questions.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I do Wait, how are you going to talk to her? Like?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Are you to be honest show?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh? You you're going to fly down?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, I have to do a lot. So I'm you know,
kind of in the secrets. I don't know actually how
much I can say and not say, but I'll say
iHeart and I have been working on a project for
the last six months that is going to be faith focused.
Yeah uh. And it's not just in the podcast form,
and so it's going to be highlighting stories of faith
and trying to do it in a way that allows
(05:43):
the listener to not feel alone, but to you know,
experience everybody's stories of the love of Jesus. And so
I am flying to Nashville to do a lot of
that work, and then at the same time, because of
the release of Alone and Plain Sight, I'm going to
go on Maddie's show and talk about that a lot. Okay,
So I have a lot of questions for Maddie and
(06:05):
Jessica and Madison are our friends. Yeah, I've been around Madison.
I enjoy my time with her. I don't really know Grant,
so I can't speak to that, I think, and I'll
tell Maddie this I'm hesitant to. I don't love the
kind of quotes out of context when it comes to
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the life of the sacred and talking about God because
it never can be really summed up in one sentence.
And so not only my belief, but I think what's
biblically true and what Maddie would agree with and Grant
agree with, is God is so much bigger than what
we can communicate in one sentence, or that we can
(06:49):
kind of put our stake in the ground and be like,
this is the way it should be, and this is
the way it is. God is so much bigger, and
oftentimes we fall short talking about God and talking about
ethics and morality and biblical interpretation because the God that
we love and believe in to be real and active
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in this world is indescribable. You can't put words to it.
And I think that's where people get in trouble is
they try to put words to it. And then when
they try to put words to it in a way
that is so countercultural, and that can come off so
offensive to a majority of people. I think it gets
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the believer into trouble and it gives a picture of
God that is not true because there's no context for
the conversation. So I think that's and that's just in general,
and I think that's the like the Really it's really hard,
I think, I'm sure it is. I don't know this yet,
but as a host of a podcast talking about faith,
(07:55):
it's going to be really hard to keep your words
above reproach and to keep your words in a responsible
manner so that the public does not look at it
and go I want nothing to do with that God
that you're talking about. It's really hard, and I'm sure
it is, and I'll say that from Madison. I will also, though,
say Jessica and I do not practice a household of submission,
(08:22):
and in fact I would actually I would be And
again I could talk to Madison about that. I don't
know if this is where our conversation will go, and
I really don't have any desire to argue with her.
It's her dance and her life and her marriage and
if it works for her and her family. Honestly, my
response is great, every couple has their own dance. Now
(08:42):
do I believe that every couple needs to have the
same dance as the couple next to, you know, And
that's why I think maybe this is kind of coming
off offensively. Also, it's saying, hey, we need to all
be submissive wives. And it's like, well, in this Christian household,
my wife does not submit to me and my authority
and we work great, and that's okay. Our household, I
(09:05):
would like to believe, represents the heart of Jesus, which
is an egalitarian household of equalness and compromise and self sacrifice,
just like Jesus did for all of us. We represent
the heart of God in this household by communication, collaboration,
by serving one another, compromising on things, discussing the big
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topics with each other. And there are quotes or there
are verses in the Bible that you can kind of
pull out about submission. And before I get onto some
long historical rabbit trail, those are mostly speaking to like
a Greco Roman structure, because that's the times they're living in,
like husband, wife, slave, child, like it went down this
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order of how a household operates in a Greco Roman culture.
We don't live in that culture anymore. So we don't
live in that society anymore. And and I think it's
it's a conversation worth having of can we what does
it look like to adjust? And I actually could argue
that a lot of these verses are not talking about
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submission in the way that we understand it. I would
actually say that a lot of these verses are talking
about serving one another equally. But I don't really want
to get into a whole conversation about you know, biblical translation, get.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Into the whole conversation with Mattie. I can't wait for
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, I mean I really, like I said, I don't
really have an interest because in arguing with her, because
I don't disagree with Madison if she believes that's how
their household best operates and that's how they both feel
most loved and seen. What I don't want, what I
wouldn't want, and not that I can even speak into
this in them because that's their household, their marriage. They
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get to figure out how that dance looks and works
for them. But what I don't want is anybody reading
this and believing that when you get married, you become
less than want any I would want any person seeing this,
especially non believers, and going I want a Christian marriage,
or I want a marriage with somebody that follows Christ,
(11:13):
because it uplifts me to be a part of the
image bearer of Christ, which is one of love, undeniable love.
But again, I don't know if I could even disagree
with Maddie because I don't mind that they run their
household this way like it is what it is. It
works for them, and that's great. I just I think
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that's where I said at the beginning. It gets dangerous
when you try to throw this biblical translation, and goodness,
conservative Christians are going to jump all over me for
this biblical translation onto a universal type of marriage. And
I think all of us should appreciate and respect each
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other's own marriage dance, especially when it's healthy, working and loving.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, did she give any examples on the podcast as
to what she means by summoning.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They didn't like dive into it. No, I mean I
think she has in passed. I haven't listened to like
past episodes. I think they have in passed. It's usually
I mean, I again, I'm not gonna attribute this to
what Maddie said, but it's usually meaning like the husband
has ultimate authority and final say and so if he
comes into the house and there's a decision to be made,
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everything kind of bounce off of him to them. He
kind of runs the house. The wife. You know, this
also can oftentimes flow into the wife is like a homemaker,
which you know, goodness in my house. I'm glad that's
not the case. Just does great as an esthetician and
it has a thousand different kind of funnels and lanes
(13:01):
that it runs into. Once you start talking about like
a wife's submission. But I mean, I guess this most
simple term for those who have no clue what they're
talking about. It's not like she submits in the way
that like I think secular culture imagines it to be.
It just means that the husband is the head of
the household. He is the one that makes final decisions, say,
(13:24):
and when he speaks, everybody listens. Yeah, I mean, like
I said, everybody has their own dance, right, And if
this works for him them, if Mattie's like, hey, this
is actually like really good for us as a couple,
this makes me a better human. This makes me more
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of a better version of myself, a more joy filled
version of myself. It gives me the freedom and all
these things have all these benefits. And that's why I said,
I wish there was like this longer explanation of what
exactly this means and why. I think the big question
there would be why do you actually see that submission
being helpful for you? Helpful for you? But if it is,
(14:07):
that's great.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, if you are happier and you
think that your household works with you, like, that's totally
She said it was a struggle at first, which makes
me a little.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think that's where it gets a little weird for people, is.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Exactly right, because like, oh, so it's not natural to you,
So it's not what you wanted to do, so you
had to kind of submit to the fact that you
were going to do it. Yeah, and it felt unnatural
for a while, because maybe it is unnatural.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, And I think again, there's some really great ways
to argue biblically about how the Bible isn't talking about
a wive submission to their husband. Now, there's some very
clear verses, but those same verses are kind of sandwiched
at times with conversations about slavery, and obviously the Christian
Church over time has gotten very much, has gone very
much against slavery, and so how could we not then
(14:57):
readjust to say maybe Christian submission as a wife isn't
you know, helpful? And then also there's verses like in Galatians,
there's a beautiful verse about talking about how we are
all one in Christ and versus about how we were
all equal in Christ and we're all image bearers of Christ.
And so I just think it gets messy. And that's
why I started this with saying I don't necessarily see
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a problem with them running their household how they want
to run it. I have no ability to speak into that,
nor would I want to. It doesn't make sense to
I just think it gets a little bit murky if
we're trying to speak into people who are not believers
when we say things without context, and unfortunately, headlines don't
(15:42):
give context or explanation, especially on these really like difficult
topics that the Church in general has argued about internally
for thousands of years. And so that's just my point.
I think it definitely blew up in the headlines. It
(16:04):
definitely caused a stir and unfortunately for Maddie or fortunately
because people are listening and paying attention. This is just
like it seems like we're getting one of these like
once a month, right now.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I know, you know, I have to say, it's pretty
entertaining to me. Some people in the comments are like
people in the comments are like, oh my God, like
everything I know about them is against my will. And
I'm like, I find this all very interesting. It always
leads a good conversation with.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You, Ben, Yeah, I mean, I don't know. At some
point I think it does more harm than good.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, yeah, there's that you are correct. From your perspective. Yeah,
from a gospel perspective, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
From a gospel perspective.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Gospel perspective versus gossip perspective. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I just want people to experience the freedom and the
joy and the love of Jesus and to see that
in who Jesus was on this earth, to see this
that and who he was in the Christian story of
where he died for us. And I think in between
(17:10):
there we can really start to jack things up when
we add confusion to the story.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Ben, I am just so excited for your podcast. I
every time I hear you talk about this stuff and
like makes sense, makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Anyways, Uh, Bachelor's Crystal Nielsen says she's been advised not
to have more kids after harrowing C section.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Ben, did you read this?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I have not, no, but I really am interested in
the updates.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh my god, Ben, like I had like I felt weak,
like I felt lightheaded almost reading this. She is truly
a warrior. And like they said, if she wasn't at
the hospital like she or the baby would have died.
So what happened was she was induced. Everything was going
pretty slowly and then finally I don't know what it was,
(18:14):
whether they put up more pitocin or whatnot, but oh,
they they gave her the epidural so that they could
break her water, because you don't want to break your
water without having apol. So they go and break the
up durals. They start moving and then she's pushing and
it's been three and a half hours, and uh, then
the doctor comes in to check her, which I'm very
(18:37):
I don't remember for my own berths whether or not
you ever would get checked within like during the pushing phase. Yes,
I mean that seems normal, but I I am now
speaking out of term. I really don't know because normally
they check your cervix before you start pushing, and then
like once they see your ten centimeters, then you start pushing.
So anyway, she was with her midwife for the majority
(18:59):
of this pushing experience. After three and a half hours,
the doctor comes in and goes, uh, yeah, we are
going to We're we're bringing you into the o R
right now. You are. She started bleeding, like she started
like gushing blood, and that was because the baby's arm
like ruptured her uterus, so her uterus is broken inside her.
(19:26):
They get her to the OAR and then they just
without you know, being under or anything, and I'm hoping
the epidera was still working, but there was something dramatic
about that too. They basically just had to like man
handle the baby out of through the c section because
the baby was stuck like in her there was like
(19:49):
an arm stuck in the uterus, so they had like
pulled the baby out with it being like kind of
in intertwined with her uterus. Oh my God, like so traumatic. Obviously,
just thank god that they're both here in both Okay.
Another thing that was super scary about it all was
(20:13):
that they he had a good amount of time without
having good oxygen flow. So they were worried that there
was brain damage, but so far everything looks good in
that department, thank god. So then they had to put
him into a therapeutic hypothermia to protect his brain post
(20:34):
birth for seventy two hours. He had they set his
body temperature at ninety two point three degrees and she
didn't meet her son until he was two days old.
Got to hold him on day four, once he was
rewarmed and cleared of caesars and brain damage. Like, can
you even imagine? No, the amount of time that then
(20:59):
having to worry that he had brain damage is like
the worst part for me too.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There's just so much here. I mean, that is such
a for some it's such a magical couple days and
then you get like this new perspective I guess I
think that's happening to me, where I'm like, Okay, you
can't help, but put yourself in that scenario.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Exactly. It's so much different having a parent, being a
parent and then hearing of the trauma on birth.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
No wonder. I mean, they should have, they needed to.
They took time before this came out. But we're with you,
we're thinking about you. In fact, I just did a
City cruise in San Diego. Yeah, two days ago with
Wells and Chris, and somebody asked me about Crystal and
updates on her during the question and answer, and honestly,
I didn't have one. I didn't know at the time,
and so I'm glad we're getting those updates out there.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So and then to answer, like the headline of it all,
they were able to miraculously repair her uterus. She went
under immediately after the C section, and even though it's repaired,
they say that it's best that she doesn't carry another
child because you know, it could very easily burst again
(22:15):
now if they want to look into service, and I'm
sure that that could be an option, but good luck
to you know. We're just so happy that they're home
and happy and healthy and safe.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Now. Yeah, I mean this is it hits home too,
because this is one of the it's not exactly the same,
but it's not too far off of why I'm an
only child, and so my mom kind of went through
some of these not quite the exact same, but not
too far off scenarios.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And complications when you were when you were born.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh huge, Yeah, you've never heard this. Actually, Just side note,
my dad had cancer. I knew that Hoskin's lymphoma, and
my mom was bedridden and they were side by side
in the hospital for like, I mean it was weeks
like eight weeks or.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Something when you were born. She was yeah, wait before
she was born. We'll have to talk about this another time.
For sure, it's crazy because I knew about your dad.
I thought that was the reason that they only had
to know.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
There was a lot that went on in that. But yeah,
I mean, here's a cool part is it sounds like
everybody is happy and healthy and back home, and we
got to celebrate that for them and wish nothing but
you know, upward health and peace as as time continues.
(23:34):
Another story about babies. We covered this story a few
years ago, and yet he decided to do it again.
What a Sickoh honestly, Bachelor's Ari Lyondyke Junior makes another
vasectomy appointment after baby number four, because hey, if you
get one vasectomy, why not get to so funny?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So he does make an amazing instant reel. It's a
video of him to Adell being a ClOH you know, uh,
what's whatever of the song goes it's me and then
he goes I'd like to get another vasectomy. This is
you know, like the overlay snip snip snip, and uh
so funny. Basically Ari, you know, after the three kids,
(24:22):
he decided to get the vasectomy. Last year September, we
were at a Lawn's wedding and he was all telling
us how they had reversed the vasectomy, how it's like
a four hour long surgery, and well, this is they
reversed it successfully, obviously, And now this is his third time,
you know, because he called to get it and then
(24:43):
reverse it. Now he's going again to get it again.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Goodness, gracious, those two they can just put I mean
good things. He's getting it because it feels like they
could just pump out as many babies as they want
to have, Like every time they pump and thrust, she's
getting pregnant. That's wild.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, they seem like they have to have it.
There of execto me a necessary family.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's necessary. Did you get one?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well, Dawson took seven years to seven years, seven years,
seven months to conceive and Hayden took two. And technically
I like egg met sperm on try number one because
I had the chemical pregnancy for month one, so, I mean,
his record is pretty good, but he is going to
get a visit. We have we been thinking about it. Yes,
(25:29):
We've definitely been thinking about it because I want to
get off birth control. I feel like I get so
many headaches with it. I've been on it for so
long you're like not really supposed to be on it,
like in your upper thirties and such. So yeah, it's
definitely a thought. It does feel like that weird finale feeling.
And I was just like a month or so ago.
It's like, it's not a big deal. Like if I
(25:50):
were like forty and we decided to do something like
I've yeah, like I think that's the way we would
go with it. Anyway. I would be like, well, just
pull your spur out of your balls and we'll do
it a Pieture dish. It'll be fine. It's that a
big deal or like I UI or whatnot. And then
I was recently told that you definitely do not want
(26:11):
to pull the sperm out of the balls like that,
because apparently it's way more painful than even reversing the vasectomy.
So anyway, then we do have to wrap this. I've got, yeah,
some wifely duties to attend to wink wink.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I love.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I don't know exactly that was like a that was
like supposed to be like an all encompassing moment, like
taking a headline, taking the fact that the housewives.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now I thought he was snapping at you, like come
back here, baby. The final headline is this is just
a congratulations to Trista and Ryan said her on twenty
two years of marriage. Absolutely wild, massive, massive deal. Hey,
that's all we got for you today. Those are the
headlines on the Almost Famous podcast Ashley, good luck with
your your wife, Flee Duties, I Flee. We'll be back
(27:03):
more this week with more content coming your way. Make
sure you also tune in the famously Available. We got
some big stories coming that way on first date, second dates,
third dates with all of our amazing women. So until
next time, I haven't been, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
See you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's almost famous podcast. I'm here today with Ashley and
we're gonna break down all the news happening in Bachelor Nation.
And there's some big news Ashley.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
There is good news this week. I mean what I
mean good news. I mean we got some juicy scoop.
This is not a pointless headlines at all. Ben dive
into it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
A bachelorlum Cassie Randolph, Mary's musician Brighton rein Harp and
an intimate Costa Rican wedding.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Then, like, obviously we're partial to our own weddings and
our own wedding photos, but I could look at these
wedding photos for I could frame them in my own house.
That's how breathtaking. Cassie looks as she always does. I mean,
she is one of the most stunning people that I've
really ever seen in my life. And this is exactly
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what I imagined her to look like as a bride.
But just seeing is just too much. It's so stunning.
So she and Brighton, he's a musician, they were friends.
They've been friends for ten years. They've known each other
ten years, and they started dating in twenty twenty dated
for ten years. He proposed in twenty twenty four, and
(01:17):
the couple had seventy people at this wedding in Costa Rica,
like you mentioned, and it was officiated by both of
their brothers, which is really cute. They said that they're
both nervous but excited and it was such a meaningful
and personal touch to do that. And then, of course
what's dominating the headlines is that Michelle Cassie is Cassie's sister,
(01:42):
who you know, is part of the Yellowstone franchise. She
has been seen out and about with Glenn Powell, and
US Weekly is reporting that they are dating casually. Somebody
said that there was like people were watching out basically
to see if he would come to this wedding. Did not,
which I think is expected. They've only been spotted like
(02:04):
a time or two together. But anyway, the Randoff girls
are just so stunning and I love looking at them
and I'm happy for all their romantic successes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They have a really good looking family.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's I mean, like they're just really unbelievable. The brother
is also gorgeous, Like isn't there is there four of them?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I don't know, but it's like pretty stupid, Like it's
one of those families that you're like, this isn't real. No, absolutely,
this can't happen. No, the next headline is Bachelor alum
Maddie Pruett is back in the headlines. She is quoted
in a podcast of her saying she struggled to learn
about being a submissive wife. Now it's her favorite thing.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Okay, So Ben, I'm gonna let you handle this headline.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh it was.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was quite something to see on the timeline last week.
The quote is during a podcast that she and her
husband Grant, were doing with Bryce Crawford. I'm sure, do
you know who Bryce Crawford is.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I do. Yeah. He's like a young kind of like
Christian speaker.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Okay that's what I figured. Okay, cool. So they were
doing a podcast with him and she said that she's
learned a lot about being a submissive wife. It was
a challenge for me at first, and now it's like
my favorite thing. I love talking about submission. And this
is going on top of an interview that she or
(03:28):
a podcast that she did back in twenty twenty four
where she said, as a wife, I'm called to submit,
I'm called to respect. I'm called to honor, I'm called
to love. I'm called to be committed and to keep
our marriage bed pure and to make him other than
God my greatest priority. So Ben, I mean, I didn't
I read the comments. I know a lot of these posts,
(03:49):
and I feel like I'm in the majority. Actually, the
only comments that I ever that I saw were ugh
and I have to just agree. Please tell me where
we are all not seeing something.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
M Oh goodness is such a good conversation.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I know, I know this could be a whole podcast.
I'm I'm so sorry to put this on you, but
I can try my best, our Christian speaker here on
the podcast. Please do your best.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'll do my best. Well, okay, let's start with giving
a picture of when and where this was said. It
was set in a podcast. It was kind of a
quick comment. Jessica and I went back and listened to
it because we're like, huh.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay, thank you, thanks for doing that, bad podcast host
and not giving myself.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, and so I will give Maddie the benefit of
the doubt by saying like context and headlines is never
a thing, and so just like any clickbait, rage bait,
you never get context. This was a little rage and
to be honest. So I'm actually gonna go see Maddie
(05:07):
this week and talk with her, and I have a
lot of questions.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I do Wait, how are you going to talk to her? Like?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Are you to be honest show?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh? You you're going to fly down?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, I have to do a lot. So I'm you know,
kind of in the secrets. I don't know actually how
much I can say and not say, but I'll say
iHeart and I have been working on a project for
the last six months that is going to be faith focused.
Yeah uh. And it's not just in the podcast form,
and so it's going to be highlighting stories of faith
and trying to do it in a way that allows
(05:43):
the listener to not feel alone, but to you know,
experience everybody's stories of the love of Jesus. And so
I am flying to Nashville to do a lot of
that work, and then at the same time, because of
the release of Alone and Plain Sight, I'm going to
go on Maddie's show and talk about that a lot. Okay,
So I have a lot of questions for Maddie and
(06:05):
Jessica and Madison are our friends. Yeah, I've been around Madison.
I enjoy my time with her. I don't really know Grant,
so I can't speak to that, I think, and I'll
tell Maddie this I'm hesitant to. I don't love the
kind of quotes out of context when it comes to
(06:28):
the life of the sacred and talking about God because
it never can be really summed up in one sentence.
And so not only my belief, but I think what's
biblically true and what Maddie would agree with and Grant
agree with, is God is so much bigger than what
we can communicate in one sentence, or that we can
(06:49):
kind of put our stake in the ground and be like,
this is the way it should be, and this is
the way it is. God is so much bigger, and
oftentimes we fall short talking about God and talking about
ethics and morality and biblical interpretation because the God that
we love and believe in to be real and active
(07:12):
in this world is indescribable. You can't put words to it.
And I think that's where people get in trouble is
they try to put words to it. And then when
they try to put words to it in a way
that is so countercultural, and that can come off so
offensive to a majority of people. I think it gets
(07:33):
the believer into trouble and it gives a picture of
God that is not true because there's no context for
the conversation. So I think that's and that's just in general,
and I think that's the like the Really it's really hard,
I think, I'm sure it is. I don't know this yet,
but as a host of a podcast talking about faith,
(07:55):
it's going to be really hard to keep your words
above reproach and to keep your words in a responsible
manner so that the public does not look at it
and go I want nothing to do with that God
that you're talking about. It's really hard, and I'm sure
it is, and I'll say that from Madison. I will also, though,
say Jessica and I do not practice a household of submission,
(08:22):
and in fact I would actually I would be And
again I could talk to Madison about that. I don't
know if this is where our conversation will go, and
I really don't have any desire to argue with her.
It's her dance and her life and her marriage and
if it works for her and her family. Honestly, my
response is great, every couple has their own dance. Now
(08:42):
do I believe that every couple needs to have the
same dance as the couple next to, you know, And
that's why I think maybe this is kind of coming
off offensively. Also, it's saying, hey, we need to all
be submissive wives. And it's like, well, in this Christian household,
my wife does not submit to me and my authority
and we work great, and that's okay. Our household, I
(09:05):
would like to believe, represents the heart of Jesus, which
is an egalitarian household of equalness and compromise and self sacrifice,
just like Jesus did for all of us. We represent
the heart of God in this household by communication, collaboration,
by serving one another, compromising on things, discussing the big
(09:28):
topics with each other. And there are quotes or there
are verses in the Bible that you can kind of
pull out about submission. And before I get onto some
long historical rabbit trail, those are mostly speaking to like
a Greco Roman structure, because that's the times they're living in,
like husband, wife, slave, child, like it went down this
(09:53):
order of how a household operates in a Greco Roman culture.
We don't live in that culture anymore. So we don't
live in that society anymore. And and I think it's
it's a conversation worth having of can we what does
it look like to adjust? And I actually could argue
that a lot of these verses are not talking about
(10:13):
submission in the way that we understand it. I would
actually say that a lot of these verses are talking
about serving one another equally. But I don't really want
to get into a whole conversation about you know, biblical translation, get.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Into the whole conversation with Mattie. I can't wait for
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, I mean I really, like I said, I don't
really have an interest because in arguing with her, because
I don't disagree with Madison if she believes that's how
their household best operates and that's how they both feel
most loved and seen. What I don't want, what I
wouldn't want, and not that I can even speak into
this in them because that's their household, their marriage. They
(10:52):
get to figure out how that dance looks and works
for them. But what I don't want is anybody reading
this and believing that when you get married, you become
less than want any I would want any person seeing this,
especially non believers, and going I want a Christian marriage,
or I want a marriage with somebody that follows Christ,
(11:13):
because it uplifts me to be a part of the
image bearer of Christ, which is one of love, undeniable love.
But again, I don't know if I could even disagree
with Maddie because I don't mind that they run their
household this way like it is what it is. It
works for them, and that's great. I just I think
(11:34):
that's where I said at the beginning. It gets dangerous
when you try to throw this biblical translation, and goodness,
conservative Christians are going to jump all over me for
this biblical translation onto a universal type of marriage. And
I think all of us should appreciate and respect each
(11:55):
other's own marriage dance, especially when it's healthy, working and loving.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, did she give any examples on the podcast as
to what she means by summoning.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They didn't like dive into it. No, I mean I
think she has in passed. I haven't listened to like
past episodes. I think they have in passed. It's usually
I mean, I again, I'm not gonna attribute this to
what Maddie said, but it's usually meaning like the husband
has ultimate authority and final say and so if he
comes into the house and there's a decision to be made,
(12:40):
everything kind of bounce off of him to them. He
kind of runs the house. The wife. You know, this
also can oftentimes flow into the wife is like a homemaker,
which you know, goodness in my house. I'm glad that's
not the case. Just does great as an esthetician and
it has a thousand different kind of funnels and lanes
(13:01):
that it runs into. Once you start talking about like
a wife's submission. But I mean, I guess this most
simple term for those who have no clue what they're
talking about. It's not like she submits in the way
that like I think secular culture imagines it to be.
It just means that the husband is the head of
the household. He is the one that makes final decisions, say,
(13:24):
and when he speaks, everybody listens. Yeah, I mean, like
I said, everybody has their own dance, right, And if
this works for him them, if Mattie's like, hey, this
is actually like really good for us as a couple,
this makes me a better human. This makes me more
(13:44):
of a better version of myself, a more joy filled
version of myself. It gives me the freedom and all
these things have all these benefits. And that's why I said,
I wish there was like this longer explanation of what
exactly this means and why. I think the big question
there would be why do you actually see that submission
being helpful for you? Helpful for you? But if it is,
(14:07):
that's great.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, if you are happier and you
think that your household works with you, like, that's totally
She said it was a struggle at first, which makes
me a little.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think that's where it gets a little weird for people, is.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Exactly right, because like, oh, so it's not natural to you,
So it's not what you wanted to do, so you
had to kind of submit to the fact that you
were going to do it. Yeah, and it felt unnatural
for a while, because maybe it is unnatural.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, And I think again, there's some really great ways
to argue biblically about how the Bible isn't talking about
a wive submission to their husband. Now, there's some very
clear verses, but those same verses are kind of sandwiched
at times with conversations about slavery, and obviously the Christian
Church over time has gotten very much, has gone very
much against slavery, and so how could we not then
(14:57):
readjust to say maybe Christian submission as a wife isn't
you know, helpful? And then also there's verses like in Galatians,
there's a beautiful verse about talking about how we are
all one in Christ and versus about how we were
all equal in Christ and we're all image bearers of Christ.
And so I just think it gets messy. And that's
why I started this with saying I don't necessarily see
(15:19):
a problem with them running their household how they want
to run it. I have no ability to speak into that,
nor would I want to. It doesn't make sense to
I just think it gets a little bit murky if
we're trying to speak into people who are not believers
when we say things without context, and unfortunately, headlines don't
(15:42):
give context or explanation, especially on these really like difficult
topics that the Church in general has argued about internally
for thousands of years. And so that's just my point.
I think it definitely blew up in the headlines. It
(16:04):
definitely caused a stir and unfortunately for Maddie or fortunately
because people are listening and paying attention. This is just
like it seems like we're getting one of these like
once a month, right now.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I know, you know, I have to say, it's pretty
entertaining to me. Some people in the comments are like
people in the comments are like, oh my God, like
everything I know about them is against my will. And
I'm like, I find this all very interesting. It always
leads a good conversation with.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You, Ben, Yeah, I mean, I don't know. At some
point I think it does more harm than good.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, yeah, there's that you are correct. From your perspective. Yeah,
from a gospel perspective, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
From a gospel perspective.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Gospel perspective versus gossip perspective. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I just want people to experience the freedom and the
joy and the love of Jesus and to see that
in who Jesus was on this earth, to see this
that and who he was in the Christian story of
where he died for us. And I think in between
(17:10):
there we can really start to jack things up when
we add confusion to the story.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Ben, I am just so excited for your podcast. I
every time I hear you talk about this stuff and
like makes sense, makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Anyways, Uh, Bachelor's Crystal Nielsen says she's been advised not
to have more kids after harrowing C section.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Ben, did you read this?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I have not, no, but I really am interested in
the updates.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh my god, Ben, like I had like I felt weak,
like I felt lightheaded almost reading this. She is truly
a warrior. And like they said, if she wasn't at
the hospital like she or the baby would have died.
So what happened was she was induced. Everything was going
pretty slowly and then finally I don't know what it was,
(18:14):
whether they put up more pitocin or whatnot, but oh,
they they gave her the epidural so that they could
break her water, because you don't want to break your
water without having apol. So they go and break the
up durals. They start moving and then she's pushing and
it's been three and a half hours, and uh, then
the doctor comes in to check her, which I'm very
(18:37):
I don't remember for my own berths whether or not
you ever would get checked within like during the pushing phase. Yes,
I mean that seems normal, but I I am now
speaking out of term. I really don't know because normally
they check your cervix before you start pushing, and then
like once they see your ten centimeters, then you start pushing.
So anyway, she was with her midwife for the majority
(18:59):
of this pushing experience. After three and a half hours,
the doctor comes in and goes, uh, yeah, we are
going to We're we're bringing you into the o R
right now. You are. She started bleeding, like she started
like gushing blood, and that was because the baby's arm
like ruptured her uterus, so her uterus is broken inside her.
(19:26):
They get her to the OAR and then they just
without you know, being under or anything, and I'm hoping
the epidera was still working, but there was something dramatic
about that too. They basically just had to like man
handle the baby out of through the c section because
the baby was stuck like in her there was like
(19:49):
an arm stuck in the uterus, so they had like
pulled the baby out with it being like kind of
in intertwined with her uterus. Oh my God, like so traumatic. Obviously,
just thank god that they're both here in both Okay.
Another thing that was super scary about it all was
(20:13):
that they he had a good amount of time without
having good oxygen flow. So they were worried that there
was brain damage, but so far everything looks good in
that department, thank god. So then they had to put
him into a therapeutic hypothermia to protect his brain post
(20:34):
birth for seventy two hours. He had they set his
body temperature at ninety two point three degrees and she
didn't meet her son until he was two days old.
Got to hold him on day four, once he was
rewarmed and cleared of caesars and brain damage. Like, can
you even imagine? No, the amount of time that then
(20:59):
having to worry that he had brain damage is like
the worst part for me too.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There's just so much here. I mean, that is such
a for some it's such a magical couple days and
then you get like this new perspective I guess I
think that's happening to me, where I'm like, Okay, you
can't help, but put yourself in that scenario.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Exactly. It's so much different having a parent, being a
parent and then hearing of the trauma on birth.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
No wonder. I mean, they should have, they needed to.
They took time before this came out. But we're with you,
we're thinking about you. In fact, I just did a
City cruise in San Diego. Yeah, two days ago with
Wells and Chris, and somebody asked me about Crystal and
updates on her during the question and answer, and honestly,
I didn't have one. I didn't know at the time,
and so I'm glad we're getting those updates out there.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So and then to answer, like the headline of it all,
they were able to miraculously repair her uterus. She went
under immediately after the C section, and even though it's repaired,
they say that it's best that she doesn't carry another
child because you know, it could very easily burst again
(22:15):
now if they want to look into service, and I'm
sure that that could be an option, but good luck
to you know. We're just so happy that they're home
and happy and healthy and safe.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Now. Yeah, I mean this is it hits home too,
because this is one of the it's not exactly the same,
but it's not too far off of why I'm an
only child, and so my mom kind of went through
some of these not quite the exact same, but not
too far off scenarios.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And complications when you were when you were born.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh huge, Yeah, you've never heard this. Actually, Just side note,
my dad had cancer. I knew that Hoskin's lymphoma, and
my mom was bedridden and they were side by side
in the hospital for like, I mean it was weeks
like eight weeks or.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Something when you were born. She was yeah, wait before
she was born. We'll have to talk about this another time.
For sure, it's crazy because I knew about your dad.
I thought that was the reason that they only had
to know.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
There was a lot that went on in that. But yeah,
I mean, here's a cool part is it sounds like
everybody is happy and healthy and back home, and we
got to celebrate that for them and wish nothing but
you know, upward health and peace as as time continues.
(23:34):
Another story about babies. We covered this story a few
years ago, and yet he decided to do it again.
What a Sickoh honestly, Bachelor's Ari Lyondyke Junior makes another
vasectomy appointment after baby number four, because hey, if you
get one vasectomy, why not get to so funny?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So he does make an amazing instant reel. It's a
video of him to Adell being a ClOH you know, uh,
what's whatever of the song goes it's me and then
he goes I'd like to get another vasectomy. This is
you know, like the overlay snip snip snip, and uh
so funny. Basically Ari, you know, after the three kids,
(24:22):
he decided to get the vasectomy. Last year September, we
were at a Lawn's wedding and he was all telling
us how they had reversed the vasectomy, how it's like
a four hour long surgery, and well, this is they
reversed it successfully, obviously, And now this is his third time,
you know, because he called to get it and then
(24:43):
reverse it. Now he's going again to get it again.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Goodness, gracious, those two they can just put I mean
good things. He's getting it because it feels like they
could just pump out as many babies as they want
to have, Like every time they pump and thrust, she's
getting pregnant. That's wild.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, they seem like they have to have it.
There of execto me a necessary family.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's necessary. Did you get one?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well, Dawson took seven years to seven years, seven years,
seven months to conceive and Hayden took two. And technically
I like egg met sperm on try number one because
I had the chemical pregnancy for month one, so, I mean,
his record is pretty good, but he is going to
get a visit. We have we been thinking about it. Yes,
(25:29):
We've definitely been thinking about it because I want to
get off birth control. I feel like I get so
many headaches with it. I've been on it for so
long you're like not really supposed to be on it,
like in your upper thirties and such. So yeah, it's
definitely a thought. It does feel like that weird finale feeling.
And I was just like a month or so ago.
It's like, it's not a big deal. Like if I
(25:50):
were like forty and we decided to do something like
I've yeah, like I think that's the way we would
go with it. Anyway. I would be like, well, just
pull your spur out of your balls and we'll do
it a Pieture dish. It'll be fine. It's that a
big deal or like I UI or whatnot. And then
I was recently told that you definitely do not want
(26:11):
to pull the sperm out of the balls like that,
because apparently it's way more painful than even reversing the vasectomy.
So anyway, then we do have to wrap this. I've got, yeah,
some wifely duties to attend to wink wink.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I love.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I don't know exactly that was like a that was
like supposed to be like an all encompassing moment, like
taking a headline, taking the fact that the housewives.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now I thought he was snapping at you, like come
back here, baby. The final headline is this is just
a congratulations to Trista and Ryan said her on twenty
two years of marriage. Absolutely wild, massive, massive deal. Hey,
that's all we got for you today. Those are the
headlines on the Almost Famous podcast Ashley, good luck with
your your wife, Flee Duties, I Flee. We'll be back
(27:03):
more this week with more content coming your way. Make
sure you also tune in the famously Available. We got
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third dates with all of our amazing women. So until
next time, I haven't been, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
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Speaker 1 (27:17):
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