September 8, 2025 • 25 mins
Jeremy and Bailey are sitting down with Ben to swap more than just gum! Did Jeremy even want to come to the reunion? Ben is getting to the bottom of this!
Does the couple think their love story was accurately shown on Paradise?
They open up about the situation with Susie and how they feel looking at it in hindsight. And Jeremy clears it up - did he actually hate the goldens?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
with our radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's almost famous podcast. We're here still. It's a very
exciting time. We got to sit in on the reunion.
It was hosted by Wells Adams had some of our
favorites from Bachelor in Paradise. One of our favorites are
with us right now, Jeremy and Bailey, are we your favorites? Now,
(00:30):
we're gonna get to that because I think you got
very upset about something.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, let's just start there.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
On our podcast, we did we made fun of you
two for swapping gum.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh I don't I don't even get pissed about that.
Was that I've been. I've been. I don't listen to
a lot of podcasts, but I got signed clips and
you guys, so you're just talking no way, Yeah I would,
I would love the clips. We never met in person.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So it's fair now that you've met us, now you
can love me.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, yeah, Bailey, you Jeremy, we're just gonna keep no
gum swapping.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Let me say, I feel like it wasn't that I
did get that clip. I I didn't think that the
gum swap people, I didn't think it was that gross. Also,
we're not allowed to married.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm married. Yes, I wouldn't do it with her.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Okay, listen, we're not allowed to have gum, like you're
not supposed to have gum when you're filming. And so
the reason we would just swap it is because we're
just like, you know, it's a ration, like you're ras
like we're rationing gum. People don't understand. We're in a war.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
War.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Here's how one of you the gum swapping. This was
never meant to be a hit or an attack on YouTube.
I think it's in one of those gray areas that
some might say that's not gross. And you could look
at me and say that's crazy that you would not
swap gum with your wife, which you would be entitled
to say that, And I could think about that and
be like, yeah, that is actually kind of weird that
I wouldn't swap gum with my wife. However, I think
(02:02):
there's another side that would say that is very weird,
like that is that is as freaky as you can
get it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, food from the deal. Okay, to be fair, we
would never like eat let's talk about it, never like
eat food and then choose the gum.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It's kind of just like you have a moment where
you're like, I would love a piece of gum right now.
Maybe I want free choose.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Maybe I Well, when you are in paradise, you do
resort to crazy, you're in.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Tough times, you're rationing, you're.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think it is a polarizing moment because the show
showed it, so I think they wanted a reaction like
they would have showed that.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't think we were expecting that.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
We were fine with it, but we're like out of everything.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Sure, this sounds like can we get a conversation abouts
talking about our future?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
They were like, no, no, the gum. I love it, Jermy.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I do want you to just send the clips because
I did not come into this. It's expecting you have
a job. I do have a job. We've had this
job for many years. Uh, and I came into this
interview excited to talk to you, but.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I do want to hear for a reason.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, Jeremy, you didn't necessarily from the viewers and the
listeners that were to send you didn't necessarily know if
you wanted to come to this reunion. I think you
put a poll online at shows here asking if you
should come or not. It felt like you were kind
of leaning on I don't want to be here? Do
you actually want to be here? Did you want to
come today?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I didn't necessarily want to come for other reasons that
I probably am not allowed to say, but I'm obviously here,
and I wanted it whether I wanted to come or not.
I know Bailey wanted to come, so I was going
to come and support her and support us, yeah, and
talk about our journey a bit. But I'm obviously happy
to see my We're also.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Like under contract, so we have to come.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But I don't think you really choice.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
But yeah, no, I think we did want to come
to be able to like share moments of like our relationship,
and you know, also, I think a lot of peop
people have had a lot of questions for us, and
there's obviously not a time where we can be like,
let us answer all these questions on our story about
why this happened and what you know, being able to
you know, just like a test for things, and also
(04:12):
share other conversations that happened. So I feel like that's
why we wanted to come. I think you always get nervous,
just like on the drama level of just being like, Okay,
are we going to be included or what if someone
has a vendetta? But I feel like overall the reunion
went really well for us, and I think we really
patched up things with other people that we may have
had lingering.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So yeah, I think my part of it is we're
just tired, like it's been ten long weeks in them,
like we knew this would be, like there would be
something out of it, sometimes.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Two episodes a week, and that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Was five hours and three hours. I think like both
of us were just exhausted, which I was like, I go,
we're here, We're happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I'm glad you're happy to be here, because when
we plan this whole thing out and I was told
that I was being asked to speak with each couple,
I did want to speak with the two of you
because this season, for me, I was trying to figure
out a way to word it, and I'm gonna try
to do in the way I thought about in the
plane today coming here. Your relationship is a really beautiful relationship.
(05:12):
It is, and when we saw so much of that
and we saw the depths of it, and I felt
like from a viewers standpoint, all of a sudden, at
the very end of your journey, that relationship was put
into question from the viewer's eyeballs, right, like everything was
great and beautiful when you guys were solid and strong,
and then all of a sudden, this controversy comes out
and then you guys go home. Yeah, and there was
(05:34):
and I think unfortunately with Paradise, there isn't that kind
of limbo stage where you get to see you to heal.
Viewers had the question of are they still together? Are
they actually mad at each other? And then we see
this like Brian thing come into play, and that felt
like it overshadowed everything that was built to that point.
That was my perspective as a viewer watching this. I
(05:59):
want to hear your respond to that and maybe if
you can walk us through your experience in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, uh similar you know to you is that
it like it was upsetting to because I felt like
that power to anything, and we talked about it many times.
Obviously I was stupe passion fun or said some of
the stuff I did. But at the end of the day,
it was like a couple of days, like days out
of you know, four weeks of us filming. So we
(06:26):
were just upset that like our actual love story shown
and people are gonna question, like, oh dude, they even
like each other all this. Yeah, so that's what sucked.
But in reality, what it was is like there were
two people who literally, like I knew a lot of
people going who are going to be at the beach,
she was not one of them. And by chance, we
just like sat next to each other and started talking
and it was really like this like aw thing that
(06:49):
like developed over time. And then you know, people rip
on the challenge part for you know, there are some
reasons to rip on it, but it was actually like
great to just like really get to each other better
and like communication and how to work together. And I
think unfortunately a lot of that was left out. But
like we left Paradise so strong, yeah, and like it's
(07:10):
been you know, one hundred times better then yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And I think that's why we were also, I think
very caught off guard when we got sent home because
like I even with with the whole thing with Brian
and with the phone call and with the comments, like
I feel like we had so many long conversations that
weren't necessarily there's not enough time. Then out the amount
(07:33):
of time we spent on the conversations the same amount
of time as the show as an episode. So I
feel like, yeah, a lot of those moments get cut
and then obviously I think this a lot of that
the drama did overshadow still us being a strong couple
because we moved on from it. I feel like in
the real world, like you have challenges, you have things
that arise, you have conversations about it. You don't have
(07:54):
to rewatch them back with each other, but you know
what I mean, you move on from them. And so
I do wish that people really got to hear our
conversations in our really good moments together, but you know,
it's all part of a plan and we can't really
control anything.
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(09:06):
frustrations I think that viewers would have is I think
we assumed you guys left the beach strong. We didn't
really know. We didn't know kind of what the behind
the scenes conversation is going to look like. You now
have been able to watch the whole season back, you've
been able to sit in the reunion, and kind of
for a very short period of time, you were not
the focus of the drama by any means.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
There was a lot of Era's shop. We were nervous,
we were going to.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Be We were like, came and we're like, oh, yeah,
I want to thank everyone, thank our friends in there,
because we were all pretty leveled.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It wasn't it wasn't as aggressive as some conversations got
by any means, but you watched it back and you
obviously saw now the controversy, the phone call. You got
to see Brian's kind of you know, thought process to
the conversation he had with you, and all this kind
of fire.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Walk us through what it was like to watch it back.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But then also I think the interesting thing is how
did you to stay connected as a couple through watching
it back? Because it couldn't have been easy no matter what.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Right, Yeah, you could talk more on it because obviously
had watch bag. It was hard for me to seeing her,
but we we had talked through everything there. We talked
the season started, and we obviously talked through while was airing.
But like we have grown so much and we're spending
(10:25):
like probably time than any couple together we've been.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think we've been together for like this summer, so
that's been really nice.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So like, like what whatever happened, we had already worked
through and our relationship had gotten a million times stronger.
Like we're meeting each other's family, I went out to
our place, and so it was so far past that
that so it didn't make it like less hard to
watch back, but we just like remember that it was
(10:56):
in the past and there's times it was obviously.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, I think it was. I knew conversations and moments
and comments were coming. It was never like I was
caught off guard by anything and I was just like,
oh my god, I'm shocked. I feel like, obviously it's
still hard because, like I know, we're together, and majority
of the episodes we did end up watching them together.
I think there was like maybe one or two where
I was like on the way to New York or
(11:21):
something where I watched it on the plane. So I think,
obviously those comments are going to be hard no matter
how you spin it, no matter what happened, it's still
hard to listen to. But I feel like we've done
a really good job of like communicating, and I feel
like he's also done a really good job of just
like listening to how I'm feeling or how overwhelmed I
am about the comments or the questions and the things
from so many people. And so I feel like I
(11:44):
have to give him props just like how he's handled that,
because he's really like with whatever questions or moments or
any time, like even if I brought it up today
and I needed questions about it, he would sit and
have answers for them, So I feel like that's been
really helpful in us being able to like grow from
those little moments. I also realized that like all of
that happened like over a span of a few days.
And then obviously it's hard because like I wasn't initially
(12:06):
told about the phone call, which I feel like is
so hard, But I also understand where everyone's coming from,
because like at that moment, we're like really focus on
the competition, like we were only focusing on like our
relationship and preparing for the challenges ahead and just being
like locked in on that, And so I feel like
a lot of that has to play with like timing
(12:27):
and things as well. So yeah, it's obviously it's like
who wants to hear those comments? Who wants to see
those things? Nobody does? But I also feel like I
knew they were coming, so I think it lessened the
blow a lot of me being like so distraught about them,
because I really had time. We had so many conversations
in Paradise after Paradise, like even just when we were
(12:47):
in the hotel coming back to be like in the
Jury of Peers for Paradise or the Parliament of paradise, Like,
you know, we had a lot of deep off camera
conversations that were really nice for us to just be
like okay, like we can really just lay everything out
and I think also work through logistics of just like
how we were going to work outside and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, and I'll be the first one to say I
should have sooner, Like my intent was ever by bioment
anything by not telling her that quickly, Like I knew
that if we were going to be together, I would
be telling her on the show too, So it's I
shouldn't have got Matt at Brian, Like me and Brian
have talked to times about this, and I should have
(13:28):
told her sooner. But like at the end of the day,
like it's in the past and it's something that work
together on and it has brought us closer.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think it says a lot about
the two of you. I also think it says a
lot about you, Bailey and kind of your understanding of
what show you were on and how messy can get.
And but Jeremy, for you, you're obviously deeply invested in
this relationship at this point, you're watching this season back,
(14:00):
you see this stuff starts to spiral out of control.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, you, I mean, I've been through the show.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I know what it's like when things start spiring out
of control when you're watching it back, and how helpless
that sometimes feels. Jeremy, I want to get your perspective
on what kind of it meant to you for Bailey
to stay strong and stay engaged and stay in it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Like everything in the world. Like I already knew she
was a great teammate from like not team, like a
challenge like partner from suffer going through, but then that
she's like she is my woman, and just like her
understanding of me as a person, and like where my
head is a right she means to me, and like
(14:43):
how I want things.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's very lucky you are. Yeah, I mean, it's not
everybody does it. That's why the success rate is like
less than ten percent from the show, because these moments
break couples, but they also can bring them together and
make them stronger. Jeremy, you took some heat up on
stage here at the reunion. I didn't really understand what
was going on. I had to google a little bit.
(15:08):
It was about your dislike for the Goldens, and I
do feel like one of my jobs. I do still
want you to send me the clips, but one of
my jobs here almost famous, is to bring to light
anything that I think could potentially look really bad. And
I think that's a moment for you during the reunion
that will look not great, and so I want you
to have an opportunity to speak some more clarity into
(15:29):
what that whole thing was. The claim was made that
you didn't like the Goldens, and then a lot of
people started talking and you didn't really get to like clarify,
and then it moved on, and so I want this
to be a moment you can clarify.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah. It was based off of a comment that I said,
like in our one on one day having dinner. I
was like, they just keep.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Going on a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I don't hate them. I'll be the first one to
say I was not happy when it was announced that
they were coming.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because I'm like, I don't think it should be mixed.
I think spots could be going to other people, Like,
I don't know how this will work. It felt weird.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So when they had you already agreed to be on
the show when that was announced, yeah, okay, so you
were like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I did I called one of the show runners when
I was announced, I'm like, what it like, what is like?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But either way, So like when when at first when
they were there, I was like, and I'm nothing wrong
with golden parents.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I have parents, So that's what I want to make
sure that you're like if you were like, no, I
just don't like to go.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I will be that age in thirty years, so.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hopefull I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, like what I was like, I had that.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
View at first, but like it did change. And like
Keith and Kathy especially, I love those guys. So I
like half the things that come out of my mouth
and it's not a good excuse are like rye. But
I said, like I hate them. I hate that they're
going on, which the monologues could be a bit boring.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, It's like when you have dinner with your parents
and you're like, Okay, I want to like get your
advice on this, and then you know you're they're also
like they kind of like they're like, have you given
to your four ok Like they're like have you like,
are you like investing your money?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So I feel like I get where he's coming from.
Like with that, but.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But thank you for giving me the chance. I don't
hate them a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He loves Keith and Kathy especially even though he will
give Kathy a lot of But that's just because they have.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Kathy is like an like where you just give each
other every time, you get each other every time.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
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Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh no, it's like there's love there.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Like I saw her last night.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, oh yeah, she sat. She came in our hotel
where we looked at.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
The like I saw. That was the first time I
saw Kathy since since Paradise, and the first thing I
said to her it's a trader because the whole time
I'm saying how much she loved those together home.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well that's that's the segue here. As we close up
with the two of you, it was a very emotional
excp for you too. There was a lot of frustration
I think in both of your faces and confusion. I
would say, tell me if I'm wrong. As you were
told that you're leaving Costa Rica and leaving Paradise. Kathy
and Keith played a big role obviously in that exit.
(19:51):
Why were you so frustrated what was going through your minds?
Did you feel like it was unjust.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I don't know if it was frustration, but like I
would say, you asked us two hours before the cocktail
party started if we were going to go home outside dance,
and it all happened quickly with like then we realized
that like Dale, who you know, we thought had our backs,
was kind of like going against us because he needs
to save himself. And Spencer, who had like pulled me
(20:18):
before saying like oh it never voted for us to
go home, and like we're all like we're kind of
learning that while the cocktail hour is going on. So
it was just a sense of like yeah, and we
were just like like we were fine.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Obviously, yeah we were fine.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's kind of like, yeah, I think it was like
confusion mixed with I don't want to say like betrayal,
but I think you're just caught off guard because it's
like you know that you're gonna have to send friends home.
That's clear. I think that we just like weren't really
thinking it was gonna be us at this time. Like
I feel like we had done a really good job
of like standing up for all of our friends at
(20:56):
that moment, and obviously it was between us, and we
knew that we weren't going to vote justin Spencer. I
think everyone was very clear on that, like, you know,
I wanted them to get engaged. So I think that's
where it really went into. And then I think when
we came to terms with it, we really just spent
that time with each other and just realizing like, Okay,
it's not the end of the road. Yeah, it's the
end of five hundred thousand dollars, but I don't know,
(21:18):
we you know, we came to Paradise. We didn't think
we were going to find this, and so we left
with each other, and I feel like that's what's most important,
and I think we kept that like the goal with
all of it. Obviously, it's still it was hard in
that moment to be like okay, like and also I
just feel like I personally faced like a lot during
my Paradise journey, so I think I was just really
thrown off about that. So yeah, I think that was
(21:41):
that was really hard. And I think our conversation with
Keith and Cathy was also very difficult, And like I
talked about this with Kathy the reunion today, Like I
think she decided that she was voting based on who
she thought needed the money the most, or because we
didn't say that we wanted to start a family. And
so it gets hard because there's moments where you're like
you don't want to have to like plead for your
life if I feel like that's not really the kind
(22:01):
of people that we are. So we're kind of just
like you know, if you guys don't see it, then
like we just we have to you know, like we
have to just step.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Off the break to like our last conversation was with
Keith Cathy as like cocktail party wrapping up and like
we we're not going to be salesmen, Like yeah, knew
and they knew us as like as a couple, they
wanted us to move forward and have a chance.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Was up to the Yeah, and I will say like
we didn't feel like totally like Alex Andrew, you know,
they were there for us, like we we all had
a good conversation. So I think I also felt really
confident with that too, just being happy that like, you know,
it's hard, you don't want everyone turning on you. I
think that would have been really rough. So I'm glad
that those people had our back in that, and I
also like, you forget, you forgive, you forget, like it's whatever,
(22:49):
Like we're not mad at them, we get that it
was a typical difficult decision and when you kind of
like add up adversity, sometimes you're nervous. You don't want
to like it's like you're betting in like a weird way,
but yeah, you're having to bet on who you think
is going to like last the most, and everyone's just
like throwing it on a different scale. I guess. So, yeah,
(23:09):
it was hard, but I feel like we left happy
and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, that's the final question for the two of you.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You've hinted at your relationship today, you did leave the beach,
You've talked about your time together, talked about your support
with each other. For listeners out there, for as much
as you want to share as a couple, what can
they look forward to?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Where do you see this going?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Maybe answering the question that everybody's asking, like is this
the real deal?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think is what people are asking, and you answer
it in any way you feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I will say I've said this to her, like privately
that I've had a few girlfriends in situations, so this.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Is like never a girlfriend. Yeah, I've I've.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Like truly, like not just saying this, like I've never
felt something like this before. And I feel so blessed
and like I'm I don't get sick of her. I'm
excited to spend every day with her. I don't know,
I'm just so happy o game.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I feel like we're both kind of people where we
just don't like to do anything that we don't like
to do, and we love spending time together. We love
each other. We're really excited for what's to come at
the end of this year, you know, hopefully a lot
of time in New York and yeah, you know, bringing
my dog up if she likes it, and yeah, and
(24:29):
we've really done a good job, like we met each
other's families, and I feel like we've had so much
fun this summer, going to Portugal, going to Chicago, going
I've been to New York a ton of times, We've
been to LA So I think hopefully some more aligned
travels at the Ritz Carlton, maybe not camping, but I
do think that I do think that our future is
bright and I feel like We're just really happy to
(24:51):
spend it together.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And yeah, are you moving in? Did I hear that's
the plan?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, to go to China and then come back and
then see if works and then if you guys, I
think the problem is really just me moving all of
my clothes up to New York. I have an enormous
amount of clothing.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm very lucky that I have an apartment in New
York that has high ceiling loft so she can actually fit.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I have a closet upstairs, so I have a place
to hold everything. I think it's like the actual yea,
get going through it and then getting it up there.
I think that would be difficult, but I mean, yeah,
we pretty much live together now, so we spend every
moment together.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So that's amazing. Well, good congratulations to the two of you.
Thanks for coming on, Thank you, thanks for sitting through
the reunion and answering all the tough questions that were
throwing your way. Thanks for answering the questions today. This
has been the almost famous podcast I've been been and
we've had Bailey and Jeremy with us.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's almost famous podcast. We're here still. It's a very
exciting time. We got to sit in on the reunion.
It was hosted by Wells Adams had some of our
favorites from Bachelor in Paradise. One of our favorites are
with us right now, Jeremy and Bailey, are we your favorites? Now,
(00:30):
we're gonna get to that because I think you got
very upset about something.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, let's just start there.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
On our podcast, we did we made fun of you
two for swapping gum.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh I don't I don't even get pissed about that.
Was that I've been. I've been. I don't listen to
a lot of podcasts, but I got signed clips and
you guys, so you're just talking no way, Yeah I would,
I would love the clips. We never met in person.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So it's fair now that you've met us, now you
can love me.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, yeah, Bailey, you Jeremy, we're just gonna keep no
gum swapping.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Let me say, I feel like it wasn't that I
did get that clip. I I didn't think that the
gum swap people, I didn't think it was that gross. Also,
we're not allowed to married.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm married. Yes, I wouldn't do it with her.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Okay, listen, we're not allowed to have gum, like you're
not supposed to have gum when you're filming. And so
the reason we would just swap it is because we're
just like, you know, it's a ration, like you're ras
like we're rationing gum. People don't understand. We're in a war.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
War.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Here's how one of you the gum swapping. This was
never meant to be a hit or an attack on YouTube.
I think it's in one of those gray areas that
some might say that's not gross. And you could look
at me and say that's crazy that you would not
swap gum with your wife, which you would be entitled
to say that, And I could think about that and
be like, yeah, that is actually kind of weird that
I wouldn't swap gum with my wife. However, I think
(02:02):
there's another side that would say that is very weird,
like that is that is as freaky as you can
get it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, food from the deal. Okay, to be fair, we
would never like eat let's talk about it, never like
eat food and then choose the gum.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It's kind of just like you have a moment where
you're like, I would love a piece of gum right now.
Maybe I want free choose.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Maybe I Well, when you are in paradise, you do
resort to crazy, you're in.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Tough times, you're rationing, you're.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think it is a polarizing moment because the show
showed it, so I think they wanted a reaction like
they would have showed that.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't think we were expecting that.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
We were fine with it, but we're like out of everything.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Sure, this sounds like can we get a conversation abouts
talking about our future?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
They were like, no, no, the gum. I love it, Jermy.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I do want you to just send the clips because
I did not come into this. It's expecting you have
a job. I do have a job. We've had this
job for many years. Uh, and I came into this
interview excited to talk to you, but.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I do want to hear for a reason.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, Jeremy, you didn't necessarily from the viewers and the
listeners that were to send you didn't necessarily know if
you wanted to come to this reunion. I think you
put a poll online at shows here asking if you
should come or not. It felt like you were kind
of leaning on I don't want to be here? Do
you actually want to be here? Did you want to
come today?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I didn't necessarily want to come for other reasons that
I probably am not allowed to say, but I'm obviously here,
and I wanted it whether I wanted to come or not.
I know Bailey wanted to come, so I was going
to come and support her and support us, yeah, and
talk about our journey a bit. But I'm obviously happy
to see my We're also.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Like under contract, so we have to come.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But I don't think you really choice.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
But yeah, no, I think we did want to come
to be able to like share moments of like our relationship,
and you know, also, I think a lot of peop
people have had a lot of questions for us, and
there's obviously not a time where we can be like,
let us answer all these questions on our story about
why this happened and what you know, being able to
you know, just like a test for things, and also
(04:12):
share other conversations that happened. So I feel like that's
why we wanted to come. I think you always get nervous,
just like on the drama level of just being like, Okay,
are we going to be included or what if someone
has a vendetta? But I feel like overall the reunion
went really well for us, and I think we really
patched up things with other people that we may have
had lingering.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So yeah, I think my part of it is we're
just tired, like it's been ten long weeks in them,
like we knew this would be, like there would be
something out of it, sometimes.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Two episodes a week, and that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Was five hours and three hours. I think like both
of us were just exhausted, which I was like, I go,
we're here, We're happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I'm glad you're happy to be here, because when
we plan this whole thing out and I was told
that I was being asked to speak with each couple,
I did want to speak with the two of you
because this season, for me, I was trying to figure
out a way to word it, and I'm gonna try
to do in the way I thought about in the
plane today coming here. Your relationship is a really beautiful relationship.
(05:12):
It is, and when we saw so much of that
and we saw the depths of it, and I felt
like from a viewers standpoint, all of a sudden, at
the very end of your journey, that relationship was put
into question from the viewer's eyeballs, right, like everything was
great and beautiful when you guys were solid and strong,
and then all of a sudden, this controversy comes out
and then you guys go home. Yeah, and there was
(05:34):
and I think unfortunately with Paradise, there isn't that kind
of limbo stage where you get to see you to heal.
Viewers had the question of are they still together? Are
they actually mad at each other? And then we see
this like Brian thing come into play, and that felt
like it overshadowed everything that was built to that point.
That was my perspective as a viewer watching this. I
(05:59):
want to hear your respond to that and maybe if
you can walk us through your experience in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, uh similar you know to you is that
it like it was upsetting to because I felt like
that power to anything, and we talked about it many times.
Obviously I was stupe passion fun or said some of
the stuff I did. But at the end of the day,
it was like a couple of days, like days out
of you know, four weeks of us filming. So we
(06:26):
were just upset that like our actual love story shown
and people are gonna question, like, oh dude, they even
like each other all this. Yeah, so that's what sucked.
But in reality, what it was is like there were
two people who literally, like I knew a lot of
people going who are going to be at the beach,
she was not one of them. And by chance, we
just like sat next to each other and started talking
and it was really like this like aw thing that
(06:49):
like developed over time. And then you know, people rip
on the challenge part for you know, there are some
reasons to rip on it, but it was actually like
great to just like really get to each other better
and like communication and how to work together. And I
think unfortunately a lot of that was left out. But
like we left Paradise so strong, yeah, and like it's
(07:10):
been you know, one hundred times better then yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And I think that's why we were also, I think
very caught off guard when we got sent home because
like I even with with the whole thing with Brian
and with the phone call and with the comments, like
I feel like we had so many long conversations that
weren't necessarily there's not enough time. Then out the amount
(07:33):
of time we spent on the conversations the same amount
of time as the show as an episode. So I
feel like, yeah, a lot of those moments get cut
and then obviously I think this a lot of that
the drama did overshadow still us being a strong couple
because we moved on from it. I feel like in
the real world, like you have challenges, you have things
that arise, you have conversations about it. You don't have
(07:54):
to rewatch them back with each other, but you know
what I mean, you move on from them. And so
I do wish that people really got to hear our
conversations in our really good moments together, but you know,
it's all part of a plan and we can't really
control anything.
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frustrations I think that viewers would have is I think
we assumed you guys left the beach strong. We didn't
really know. We didn't know kind of what the behind
the scenes conversation is going to look like. You now
have been able to watch the whole season back, you've
been able to sit in the reunion, and kind of
for a very short period of time, you were not
the focus of the drama by any means.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
There was a lot of Era's shop. We were nervous,
we were going to.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Be We were like, came and we're like, oh, yeah,
I want to thank everyone, thank our friends in there,
because we were all pretty leveled.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It wasn't it wasn't as aggressive as some conversations got
by any means, but you watched it back and you
obviously saw now the controversy, the phone call. You got
to see Brian's kind of you know, thought process to
the conversation he had with you, and all this kind
of fire.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Walk us through what it was like to watch it back.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But then also I think the interesting thing is how
did you to stay connected as a couple through watching
it back? Because it couldn't have been easy no matter what.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Right, Yeah, you could talk more on it because obviously
had watch bag. It was hard for me to seeing her,
but we we had talked through everything there. We talked
the season started, and we obviously talked through while was airing.
But like we have grown so much and we're spending
(10:25):
like probably time than any couple together we've been.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think we've been together for like this summer, so
that's been really nice.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So like, like what whatever happened, we had already worked
through and our relationship had gotten a million times stronger.
Like we're meeting each other's family, I went out to
our place, and so it was so far past that
that so it didn't make it like less hard to
watch back, but we just like remember that it was
(10:56):
in the past and there's times it was obviously.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah, I think it was. I knew conversations and moments
and comments were coming. It was never like I was
caught off guard by anything and I was just like,
oh my god, I'm shocked. I feel like, obviously it's
still hard because, like I know, we're together, and majority
of the episodes we did end up watching them together.
I think there was like maybe one or two where
I was like on the way to New York or
(11:21):
something where I watched it on the plane. So I think,
obviously those comments are going to be hard no matter
how you spin it, no matter what happened, it's still
hard to listen to. But I feel like we've done
a really good job of like communicating, and I feel
like he's also done a really good job of just
like listening to how I'm feeling or how overwhelmed I
am about the comments or the questions and the things
from so many people. And so I feel like I
(11:44):
have to give him props just like how he's handled that,
because he's really like with whatever questions or moments or
any time, like even if I brought it up today
and I needed questions about it, he would sit and
have answers for them, So I feel like that's been
really helpful in us being able to like grow from
those little moments. I also realized that like all of
that happened like over a span of a few days.
And then obviously it's hard because like I wasn't initially
(12:06):
told about the phone call, which I feel like is
so hard, But I also understand where everyone's coming from,
because like at that moment, we're like really focus on
the competition, like we were only focusing on like our
relationship and preparing for the challenges ahead and just being
like locked in on that, And so I feel like
a lot of that has to play with like timing
(12:27):
and things as well. So yeah, it's obviously it's like
who wants to hear those comments? Who wants to see
those things? Nobody does? But I also feel like I
knew they were coming, so I think it lessened the
blow a lot of me being like so distraught about them,
because I really had time. We had so many conversations
in Paradise after Paradise, like even just when we were
(12:47):
in the hotel coming back to be like in the
Jury of Peers for Paradise or the Parliament of paradise, Like,
you know, we had a lot of deep off camera
conversations that were really nice for us to just be
like okay, like we can really just lay everything out
and I think also work through logistics of just like
how we were going to work outside and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, and I'll be the first one to say I
should have sooner, Like my intent was ever by bioment
anything by not telling her that quickly, Like I knew
that if we were going to be together, I would
be telling her on the show too, So it's I
shouldn't have got Matt at Brian, Like me and Brian
have talked to times about this, and I should have
(13:28):
told her sooner. But like at the end of the day,
like it's in the past and it's something that work
together on and it has brought us closer.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think it says a lot about
the two of you. I also think it says a
lot about you, Bailey and kind of your understanding of
what show you were on and how messy can get.
And but Jeremy, for you, you're obviously deeply invested in
this relationship at this point, you're watching this season back,
(14:00):
you see this stuff starts to spiral out of control.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, you, I mean, I've been through the show.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I know what it's like when things start spiring out
of control when you're watching it back, and how helpless
that sometimes feels. Jeremy, I want to get your perspective
on what kind of it meant to you for Bailey
to stay strong and stay engaged and stay in it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Like everything in the world. Like I already knew she
was a great teammate from like not team, like a
challenge like partner from suffer going through, but then that
she's like she is my woman, and just like her
understanding of me as a person, and like where my
head is a right she means to me, and like
(14:43):
how I want things.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's very lucky you are. Yeah, I mean, it's not
everybody does it. That's why the success rate is like
less than ten percent from the show, because these moments
break couples, but they also can bring them together and
make them stronger. Jeremy, you took some heat up on
stage here at the reunion. I didn't really understand what
was going on. I had to google a little bit.
(15:08):
It was about your dislike for the Goldens, and I
do feel like one of my jobs. I do still
want you to send me the clips, but one of
my jobs here almost famous, is to bring to light
anything that I think could potentially look really bad. And
I think that's a moment for you during the reunion
that will look not great, and so I want you
to have an opportunity to speak some more clarity into
(15:29):
what that whole thing was. The claim was made that
you didn't like the Goldens, and then a lot of
people started talking and you didn't really get to like clarify,
and then it moved on, and so I want this
to be a moment you can clarify.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah. It was based off of a comment that I said,
like in our one on one day having dinner. I
was like, they just keep.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Going on a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I don't hate them. I'll be the first one to
say I was not happy when it was announced that
they were coming.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because I'm like, I don't think it should be mixed.
I think spots could be going to other people, Like,
I don't know how this will work. It felt weird.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So when they had you already agreed to be on
the show when that was announced, yeah, okay, so you
were like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I did I called one of the show runners when
I was announced, I'm like, what it like, what is like?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But either way, So like when when at first when
they were there, I was like, and I'm nothing wrong
with golden parents.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I have parents, So that's what I want to make
sure that you're like if you were like, no, I
just don't like to go.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I will be that age in thirty years, so.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hopefull I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, like what I was like, I had that.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
View at first, but like it did change. And like
Keith and Kathy especially, I love those guys. So I
like half the things that come out of my mouth
and it's not a good excuse are like rye. But
I said, like I hate them. I hate that they're
going on, which the monologues could be a bit boring.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, It's like when you have dinner with your parents
and you're like, Okay, I want to like get your
advice on this, and then you know you're they're also
like they kind of like they're like, have you given
to your four ok Like they're like have you like,
are you like investing your money?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So I feel like I get where he's coming from.
Like with that, but.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But thank you for giving me the chance. I don't
hate them a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He loves Keith and Kathy especially even though he will
give Kathy a lot of But that's just because they have.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Kathy is like an like where you just give each
other every time, you get each other every time.
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to it's gonna sound like you and Kathy are going
at it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh no, it's like there's love there.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Like I saw her last night.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, oh yeah, she sat. She came in our hotel
where we looked at.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
The like I saw. That was the first time I
saw Kathy since since Paradise, and the first thing I
said to her it's a trader because the whole time
I'm saying how much she loved those together home.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well that's that's the segue here. As we close up
with the two of you, it was a very emotional
excp for you too. There was a lot of frustration
I think in both of your faces and confusion. I
would say, tell me if I'm wrong. As you were
told that you're leaving Costa Rica and leaving Paradise. Kathy
and Keith played a big role obviously in that exit.
(19:51):
Why were you so frustrated what was going through your minds?
Did you feel like it was unjust.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I don't know if it was frustration, but like I
would say, you asked us two hours before the cocktail
party started if we were going to go home outside dance,
and it all happened quickly with like then we realized
that like Dale, who you know, we thought had our backs,
was kind of like going against us because he needs
to save himself. And Spencer, who had like pulled me
(20:18):
before saying like oh it never voted for us to
go home, and like we're all like we're kind of
learning that while the cocktail hour is going on. So
it was just a sense of like yeah, and we
were just like like we were fine.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Obviously, yeah we were fine.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's kind of like, yeah, I think it was like
confusion mixed with I don't want to say like betrayal,
but I think you're just caught off guard because it's
like you know that you're gonna have to send friends home.
That's clear. I think that we just like weren't really
thinking it was gonna be us at this time. Like
I feel like we had done a really good job
of like standing up for all of our friends at
(20:56):
that moment, and obviously it was between us, and we
knew that we weren't going to vote justin Spencer. I
think everyone was very clear on that, like, you know,
I wanted them to get engaged. So I think that's
where it really went into. And then I think when
we came to terms with it, we really just spent
that time with each other and just realizing like, Okay,
it's not the end of the road. Yeah, it's the
end of five hundred thousand dollars, but I don't know,
(21:18):
we you know, we came to Paradise. We didn't think
we were going to find this, and so we left
with each other, and I feel like that's what's most important,
and I think we kept that like the goal with
all of it. Obviously, it's still it was hard in
that moment to be like okay, like and also I
just feel like I personally faced like a lot during
my Paradise journey, so I think I was just really
thrown off about that. So yeah, I think that was
(21:41):
that was really hard. And I think our conversation with
Keith and Cathy was also very difficult, And like I
talked about this with Kathy the reunion today, Like I
think she decided that she was voting based on who
she thought needed the money the most, or because we
didn't say that we wanted to start a family. And
so it gets hard because there's moments where you're like
you don't want to have to like plead for your
life if I feel like that's not really the kind
(22:01):
of people that we are. So we're kind of just
like you know, if you guys don't see it, then
like we just we have to you know, like we
have to just step.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Off the break to like our last conversation was with
Keith Cathy as like cocktail party wrapping up and like
we we're not going to be salesmen, Like yeah, knew
and they knew us as like as a couple, they
wanted us to move forward and have a chance.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Was up to the Yeah, and I will say like
we didn't feel like totally like Alex Andrew, you know,
they were there for us, like we we all had
a good conversation. So I think I also felt really
confident with that too, just being happy that like, you know,
it's hard, you don't want everyone turning on you. I
think that would have been really rough. So I'm glad
that those people had our back in that, and I
also like, you forget, you forgive, you forget, like it's whatever,
(22:49):
Like we're not mad at them, we get that it
was a typical difficult decision and when you kind of
like add up adversity, sometimes you're nervous. You don't want
to like it's like you're betting in like a weird way,
but yeah, you're having to bet on who you think
is going to like last the most, and everyone's just
like throwing it on a different scale. I guess. So, yeah,
(23:09):
it was hard, but I feel like we left happy
and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, that's the final question for the two of you.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You've hinted at your relationship today, you did leave the beach,
You've talked about your time together, talked about your support
with each other. For listeners out there, for as much
as you want to share as a couple, what can
they look forward to?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Where do you see this going?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Maybe answering the question that everybody's asking, like is this
the real deal?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think is what people are asking, and you answer
it in any way you feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I will say I've said this to her, like privately
that I've had a few girlfriends in situations, so this.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Is like never a girlfriend. Yeah, I've I've.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Like truly, like not just saying this, like I've never
felt something like this before. And I feel so blessed
and like I'm I don't get sick of her. I'm
excited to spend every day with her. I don't know,
I'm just so happy o game.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I feel like we're both kind of people where we
just don't like to do anything that we don't like
to do, and we love spending time together. We love
each other. We're really excited for what's to come at
the end of this year, you know, hopefully a lot
of time in New York and yeah, you know, bringing
my dog up if she likes it, and yeah, and
(24:29):
we've really done a good job, like we met each
other's families, and I feel like we've had so much
fun this summer, going to Portugal, going to Chicago, going
I've been to New York a ton of times, We've
been to LA So I think hopefully some more aligned
travels at the Ritz Carlton, maybe not camping, but I
do think that I do think that our future is
bright and I feel like We're just really happy to
(24:51):
spend it together.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And yeah, are you moving in? Did I hear that's
the plan?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, to go to China and then come back and
then see if works and then if you guys, I
think the problem is really just me moving all of
my clothes up to New York. I have an enormous
amount of clothing.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm very lucky that I have an apartment in New
York that has high ceiling loft so she can actually fit.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I have a closet upstairs, so I have a place
to hold everything. I think it's like the actual yea,
get going through it and then getting it up there.
I think that would be difficult, but I mean, yeah,
we pretty much live together now, so we spend every
moment together.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So that's amazing. Well, good congratulations to the two of you.
Thanks for coming on, Thank you, thanks for sitting through
the reunion and answering all the tough questions that were
throwing your way. Thanks for answering the questions today. This
has been the almost famous podcast I've been been and
we've had Bailey and Jeremy with us.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
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