May 15, 2025 • 24 mins
Bombshell after bombshell after bombshell. Cassie Ventura spent a full day on the witness stand Wednesday. Amy and T.J. go through her explosive testimony which included never-before-heard details of her life with Diddy: rehab, freak-off injuries, physical and sexual assault, etc. And, why did she have to sneak into a popcorn closet the night of her movie premiere?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, everybody. On this Thursday, May fifteenth, day four of
the Diddy trial, and day three was a doozy once again.
Robes Cassie Ventura A scheduled to continue her testimony on
this day. But what we heard from her yesterday that
we're going to go through here for our listeners, Robes,
this was downright difficult. This stuff is hard to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know, I was just imagining what she's been going
through here. I think she's been testifying now if you
count Tuesday and Wednesday, she's been on the stand for
nine hours. This is a woman who is eight and
a half months pregnant, and she is talking about some
of the most devastating, unthinkable things that anyone could live through,
(00:47):
talking about wanting to die by suicide, wanting to end things.
That's how bad they got, and she's reliving it all
in front of the world.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You're say, in front of the world, and also in
front of our husband. Her husband has been say in
that courtroom. We're going to talk about him a little
bit more here in a moment, but he's having to
sit in there, and it's just some of the details,
and we do want to warn you here some of
the details you're going to hear are very disturbing, could
be triggering for some people as well, but it's part
of what she said on the stand yesterday. And we
remind you as well that cameras are not allowed in
(01:18):
the courtroom, so we are having to depend on reporters
who are in there giving their individual accounts. Now you
have to go search through a bunch of places and
a bunch of websites to get all the accounts and
get kind of a better idea general sense of what
happened in the courtroom, and that takes a lot of work,
so that we were trying to provide a service here
if you will.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, you and I have been going through and you
really do have to go through all the different media
outlets that are there to get a full picture of
what was said, what the reactions were in the courtroom,
from the jurors to even Diddy himself. And so yes,
we're hoping that for you all, you can just listen
to this and have a comprehensive view of what happened
in the courtroom because we did all the research for you.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So, yeah, yes day, she wrapped up, So the prosecution
wrapped up yesterday and Today is the day for cross examination.
That's expected to go on for the next couple of days.
So she's gonna you talked about ten hours already, Robe,
She's gonna be up there for another ten plus wow,
probably through the week. But yesterday was bombshell after bombshell
(02:19):
after bombshell. There was more detail about drugs, injuries, even
that she got from those sex parties, those so called
freak offs. She talked about Stintson rehab she had, she
says she's been through trauma therapy, talked about, like you
just mentioned, Robes being suicidal. She also gave details about
several alleged assaults by Ditty, several and at one point
(02:41):
she detailed an instance in which she claimed he raped her.
It was I mean, this stuff is just it's heinous,
it's disgusting. These are allegations. Obviously he hasn't had a
chance to defend himself. But also yesterday still images so
so called freak coughs. We should let you know. The
whole courtroom was not allowed to see these images, but
(03:02):
jurors and we'll get into here in a moment, got
to see them, and they had some, according to all accounts,
some pretty obvious. I guess you could say probably visceral
reactions to what they were seeing.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, and that was accounted for by people who were
in the courtroom. You mentioned her husband being in the courtroom.
He did step out, as was pre arranged between the
defense and the prosecution that he would step out while
she recounted what she claims was a rape by Sean Didtycom.
So he did leave for that portion. But you're right,
he has been witnessing and listening to everything, all of
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her testimony up until that point. But when she talks
about the assaults and she really describes the injuries, it's devastating.
And something else she talked about was at one of
the freak offs, and this is early on. She claims
that Diddy went through her phone and found out that
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she was dating someone else, rapper called Kid Cutting, and
she said she started dating him in twenty eleven, but
she didn't tell Diddy. She claims when he saw this
on her phone, he reacted so violently that he lunged
at her with a wine opener that quarkscrew. She says
she was able to get away and actually went to
(04:17):
another hotel, but there were threats that followed.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
She said these were threats that were there throughout her
relationship with him, those threats to release sex videos of
her to the public, But it also came with physical threats.
This time, she said he threatened to hurt her, threatened
to hurt kid Cutty. She said he would just not
calm down. She says he was absolutely irate, to a
point that he was in one point they were supposed
(04:44):
to be discussing this, he was still so angry and upset.
He kicked her in the back, causing bruises and she
fell to the ground. Now, she detailed several assaults robes
and all of them, there was one hitting her repeatedly
in the head, talking about kicking her. We talked about
(05:04):
ten years this young lady went through. And again it's
very difficult to at times. Everybody's innocent until proven guilty.
And this isn't a trial about domestic violence, actually, but
what she's described and your heart, your heart breaks, and
you can't help. But I can't imagine listening to her
versus reading her accounts. And yesterday they said she was
(05:26):
more stoic, she kept it together a little better. A
few times she did cry, but what she described on
the stand all day yesterday was chilling.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, it's remarkable. She even claims that Diddy was responsible
for blowing up Kid Cutty's car, and she detailed what
she knew of that. But she talks about when he
was so irate, you say that he couldn't calm down.
She says she returned to that hotel room that she
escaped to and found that someone had urinated all over
the floor. The furniture in the hotel room had been broken.
(05:54):
Someone had even taken a dump in the toilet to
have I don't know a better way to discribe what
she says she found, but she had taken pictures of
those bruises and she showed them to the jury, and
that is when later she got into the allegations and
she described what she says was a rape in twoenty eighteen,
(06:15):
This is of course, when her husband left, but she
says that she and Diddy had gone to dinner in
Malibu for what she was thinking would be a closure
conversation because at that point she was all ready in
a relationship with her now husband, so this was kind
of like a goodbye, let's end his friends kind of
a dinner, And she says that he was upbeat and
(06:37):
playful during the dinner.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, that was interesting, she said. They was actually going well,
maybe even surprisingly so, but then everything took a turn.
When he was supposed to drive her home, he went
into the home. She said, he raped it right there
on the living room floor. She described at times she
said she didn't recognize who was there with her. I
think she described it even as like his eyes were black.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yep, she said that didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Know who the guy was. Said she cried, I threw out.
She said it was quick, but didn't even think he
noticed that she was crying.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And she said she said no, no, no, no, no, no.
She there was no question she told him no. And
she also admitted this, which you know, I'm sure she
knows under cross examination this will all come up. But
she did say after that alleged rape, she was intimate
with Diddy one other time voluntarily, which I'm sure will
(07:26):
raise in eye ros and I'm sure the defense will
go after that.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But anybody who actually deals with women who deal with
sexual assault will explain that very quickly, fairly easily, that
that shouldn't surprise anyone. It doesn't take away from the
fact that she was assaulted and that she was raped
and that she did say no. And I think this
is probably something over the years robes we have we
have reported on, but they will absolutely tell you she's trapped,
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she's in. It doesn't take away that she was assaulted
because she ends up still with the same person.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That assaulted her. I mean, she has said throughout this
entire time on the stand that she loved him, that
she was in love with him, that she wanted a
relationship with him. It still doesn't take away when you
say no, it means no. And she also talked about
(08:21):
some more details about just when she was physically assaulted.
She claimed she had to wear makeup, she had to
wear a different dress that she was planning to wear
for a movie premiere to cover up the bruises. And
that was right after that video that was shown that
we've all seen. Unfortunately, that incident in the hotel room
where he was seen kicking her and assaulting her. She
(08:41):
had a movie premiere to go to. She said that
the physical injuries she incurred were so significant she had
to change her dress, she had to wear sunglasses, she
had to wear significant makeup. But prosecutors pointed out on
these pictures you could see bruises on her arms and
on her leg still fight all the efforts she took
to try and cover it up.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And those pictures are out there for people to see,
and you study and you squint, and I'm sure the
defense will say, well, you can't really make out what
that is, but you do clearly see something on her
arm and on her leg. And they have, I mean,
people have taken him and circled those particular spots in
those particular images. I cannot have met. She said that
was maybe the most important night of her life. It
(09:24):
was very important for her career. She was starring in
a movie. She was starring in a big Hollywood Perfect Matt,
Perfect Match. She was the lead, she said that night,
and I didn't give much clarity on the story, but
she said she snuck into a popcorn closet at the
movie theater that night because she needed to change into
a different dress that was going to help her cover
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up something better for the after party. Cassie is in
a you know, popcorn closet in a movie theater, trying
to keep the secret that she was being beaten by
the man she is in a public relationship with. Is
what she claimed that is, like I said, bombshell after
bombshell after bombshell. One other assault in twenty thirteen, she
(10:07):
mentioned she actually attacked her while she was asleep. So
she's dead asleep and here comes somebody beating on her.
Her friends. She had friends in the place at the time,
jumped on him, she said, to intervene to try to
stop this, but she ended up with a gash in
her head, didn't go to the er. He sent her
to and paid for a plastic surgeon to fix her
(10:28):
up after that assault that night. So she again we
only describe it a few herobes, but she had incident
after incident after incident, and there are several people, her mom,
her friends, some people witnessed it, some people took the
pictures for her of the bruises. She has a lot
of people to back up what she say.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, as you pointed out, if this were a domestic
assault case, this would be a slam dunk case. There's
a lot to prove here from the prosecution side. But
my goodness, it's remarkable the evidence she has and her
ability to recount what happened. I mean, my heart is
racing when I hear what she went through. It's unthinkable.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And you see the text there. This was shit, we say,
is a part of all the evidence. But they shared
this text message between Cassie and Diddy that was after
one of these assaults, the text of which lets you
know where her head was. And this is as well,
robes that could be used as evidence. You don't send
(11:29):
somebody this text unless something in particular is going on
in your relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, the text read you treat me like Ike Turner.
And obviously most people are very familiar with the relationship
between Icontina Turner. It was violent, it was abusive, it
was physically abusive, and she still has that text and
she shared it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In court, also shared in Cordy yesterday, at least with
the jurors. Still images of those free calls not shown
to the whole court room. As we mentioned, they have
screens right in front of them. I think that was
actually a delay one point, because they were trying to
install those screens for the jurors. But she's almost walking
them through what they're seeing in some of these images,
(12:10):
and she's identifying people. See that's so and so on,
and that so and so and that so and so on.
But as we said, the other day. These were male
escorts that were brought in a lot of times. Some
of them she got familiar with, but she didn't know
their real name. So to hear her in court saying, oh, yeah,
that's that's Islander right there. They're Skyler over there. And
at one point she said to the jurors, yeah, that's me,
(12:30):
as they were looking at these pictures. And look, we
aren't in there to see the jurors, so we have
to depend on the accounts from the reporters, and the
reporters are telling us that, yeah, those jurors appeared to
be a little shook about.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, they were saying they got specific saying one female
durwer actually let out a deep breath and put her
hand on her chest as she looked at the image
on that monitor. And then a male durer apparently looked
at the screen and then his eyes quickly moved away.
He couldn't look at the image. That's how difficult it was.
They saw another duror writing on his notepad feverishly after
(13:03):
seeing what he saw. So at the very least those images,
just those still images, had such an impression left such
an impression on Jurasia. They physically viscerally responded to what
they were seeing.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
She got into and I guess this makes sense. We
talked about it a little bit yesterday, I believe robes
about freey cough going for four days and sometimes thego
for a day, day and a half, two three, but
the longest she remembered was four And we were talking
about just how physically exhausting that had to be, because
she in fact said she was awake crawl of it
because she stayed doped up on drugs and that was
by design. But she went into yesterday's robot some details
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of what happened to her as a result of all
of that physical exertion and activity and baby oil and
sexual activity fluids. Yeah, and this stuff. This is frankly,
it's just it's awful.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Later, look, I mean, I mean, I hadn't even thought
about this, but a lot of women know that uti
are a part of having too much sex sometimes, and
she said she had so many painful utiyes over this
period and they got so bad that cipro, the strongest
antibiotic you could possibly use, that that wouldn't even work.
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She said she had mouth sores. I mean, this is
just so hard to hear and to imagine just what
her body went through repeatedly going through NonStop sexual activities
with different men. I mean, it's obviously the emotional trauma
is there. She went to trauma therapy. She said she
had to do several stints in rehab. She talked about
(14:38):
the drugs that she was taking to stay up and
to perform the way did he wanted her through or
to disassociate herself. Yeah, Ketnemine was among them. She said
she was vomiting. Her stomach was just wrecked from all
of the drugs that she was taking.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And didn't she say often that she's gotten sick before,
and she was encouraged to come back or to keep going.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
We would throw up because the drugs were so much,
and then he'd just say get back in there. And
so it's not surprising that she then said she became suicidal.
She said, I didn't want to be alive anymore. At
that point, I couldn't take the pain that I was
in anymore, and so I just tried to walk out
the front door into traffic, like she would rather be
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hit by the proverbial bus than continue to live the
way she was living.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just everybody has an opinion, and we always it's
it's innocent until proven guilty. That's all legit. But at
the same time, it's impossible to listen to the accounts
of what this woman went through in her life, all allegedly,
but still there is a collection of you have to
take her at her word on some things, and some
(15:55):
of it we have actually seen on video.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah. I was like, we have video, we have photo,
we have other people's accounts who can corroborate and validate
what her experience was.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Aside from a legal process. As a human being, your
heartbreaks listening to Cassie as a human being. Forget music,
legal guilty, not just as a human being. You cannot
listen to this woman and not have your heartbreak.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's so true. And I think if we think that
now hearing how she has testified under direct questioning, which
is the softer, gentler kinder. You've got the prosecutors leading
you and guiding you and supporting you as you tell
your story. She is now about to be faced with
the defense attorneys and cross examination, and what will probably
what most people believe will be a huge sticking point
(16:46):
is something she discussed at the end of her testimony yesterday,
the settlement she received, we all thought she was getting
the figure out there was that she got thirty million
dollars from Diddy after she filed this lawsuit. She acknowledged
for the first time ever that she received twenty million dollars.
And this is going to be something that Tenny Garrigos,
who even alluded to in her opening statements that instead
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of Cassie going to the police, instead of Cassie seeking
remedy through any sort of criminal accusation, she went for
a money grab. She went for the money. She actually
wrote a book and sent the book through her lawyer
to Diddy and said, I should be compensated for this.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, she wanted She essentially tried to sell him the
right to the book. It look, it was a negotiating ploy.
It was a tactic to get this money out of
him and say, hey, if not, this is going to
go out.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
She also said she wanted him to read her pain
and understand what she actually went through because she didn't
think he really got it, and apparently.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He didn't from all reports, he didn't take it seriously.
He didn't take the threat if you will seriously. But
she filed a lawsuit. That thing was settled in twenty
four hours once she filed that lawsuit, and the wheels
absolutely came off. But again, like you said, the thirty
million did come from She said that she initially wanted
thirty million from him for the rights to the book.
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When they decided they were going to settle, she said
she came up with that number just out of there.
She didn't do any research or what she could get
or what it was worth. She just came up with
a number, and that's all.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It was what she figured from her pain and suffering,
that would thirty million a work, yes, that that would
ease the pain enough where that would be a remedy
where she could live with that and live with that
kind of a settlement. So it ended up being twenty
million dollars, And that was again the first time we
had heard that and.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Probably the first time she was legally allowed to speak
about it. These settlements and whatnot, they often come with
non disclosure agreements, with non disparagement agreements, and the only
exception when you can speak about that agreement is if
you were compelled to do so in a court of law,
and that is what we have here. I don't know
if we ever would have heard about this, No, probably not,
(18:53):
never would have known this had she not been in
court and under oath and required to testify. But yeah,
she got the twenty million, and I think that was
a surprise everybody to hear that number. But that's certainly
was settled on. She's back today the cross examination. I mean,
hold your breath because defense attorneys do what they do,
and we have seen over the years it might be
the most sympathetic victim you've ever heard from in your life,
(19:15):
and then some defense attorney gets up there and rips
them apart. Now, don't know how they're going to handle her,
but they're going to do what they have to do
to defend their guy.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, and it's you know, the lead attorney is a
very famous attorney's daughter, Tenny Geragos, the daughter of Mark Arraghos,
who actually just was representing the Menendez brothers, who's represented
Scott Peterson of course, OJ Simpson, et cetera. But we've
got a Shapiro on that team as well. So they
are seasoned and very well experienced lawyers. And the two
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lead ones are females, and that was by choice as well.
So yes, we will be holding our breath to see
what happens in that courtroom today. But there were some
quotes that we would like to end this podcast with
that we heard from Cassie yesterday really struck us, that
really spoke to her personal trauma and what she's been
living with.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
And the first one you're here put down because I
thought it was so telling, and also we give us
that word heartbreaking, but it was so telling. And then
the last one we have here, it's kind of one
of the closing statements she made that kind of brings
it all home as well. But the first she said
at one point it was terrifying. It's not normal constantly
being bruised up by the person you love who says
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they love you. We have to remember there are certain times,
have been several times where you're reminded this was a
young woman who actually thought she was in love. She
was with somebody that she maybe she was in love,
but she was being treated by the person she loves
in a way that obviously is inexcusable. But to hear
her at moments talk about the best part of the
freak off was time I got to spend with him,
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to hear her say in some moments, and this moment
as well, constantly being bruised up by the person you
love who says they love you. It's not normal.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, it is not. And she closed with this statement,
I can't carry this anymore, the shame, the guilt. What's
right is right and what's wrong is wrong. People aren't disposable.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, she said so much of the time she has spent.
You're just ashamed. You're embarrassed. She used that word embarrassed
like that was one point. She described him watching a
freak off video on a plane with other people around,
just shit, kind of showing it and like it was
not that she was just embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And that's actually a really good point you make, because
she talked about people always ask why did you stay? Yes,
she loved him, Yes, she wanted to make him happy.
I think we can all understand that. But at a
certain point, you're like, when the abuse gets so egregious,
why wouldn't you leave? Well, her career was hanging in
the balance A and B those videos. She says he
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absolutely threatened to release those videos of her willingly having
these types of sexual acts that most people would look
at with a lot of judgment and it was too
overwhelming for her to think about people other people seeing
these videos of her. And that makes sense. I think
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so many women, anyone especially who's been in any similar
situation or even is thinking, but knows that that is
a very compelling reason to stay quiet.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You said while he to why she stayed. People asked
why she stayed. You mentioned the threat of this, but
there was also the threat of physical violence, physical harm. Yes,
living under thread. Look, this has been some compelling and
just graphic and unbelievable stuff. And when you look at
the pictures robes, when you go back and now you
look at the pictures of her on a red carpet
and go, wow, twenty four hours ago she was being beaten.
(22:46):
And so some of these pictures are coming up and
coming out. And you know, I told you about this
song as well. I mean, you're looking at things differently
hearing her story. There is a song I brought this up.
I love this song. I've been listening to it for
a decade plus. On one of Usher's old albums, it's
called Little Freak. Usher is singing through this song about
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essentially having his woman go find him other people so
they can all have sex together is the song. And
there's a part where Nicki Minaj raps, I'm plotting on
how I can take Cassie away from Diddy while she's
singing about bringing other women and other people into the
(23:29):
fray and a sexual experience. And I heard I'm like,
why I never listened to that the same way that
I'm listening to it now. But I encourage go listen
to that song, folks, Little freak by Usher.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It has a very different meaning. You said you thought
it was one thing, and now you're thinking it might
have been a minute completely the other. What was like
saving her instead of stealing her or banning her, but
saving her?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Could that possibly have been the case? Could possibly have
been the case?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Possibly could have.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So, folks, we will continue robes and I will continue
to update you. I know it's hard out there to
try to read all that information, but we are reading
it every single day and want to continue to bring
it to you here because we know there is a
lot of interest and what's happening in the courtroom that
is just that direction. As I point out the window
of our apartment here in Lower Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, thank you for listening, and we will keep you updated.
Hope you all have a wonderful day to day
Hey, everybody. On this Thursday, May fifteenth, day four of
the Diddy trial, and day three was a doozy once again.
Robes Cassie Ventura A scheduled to continue her testimony on
this day. But what we heard from her yesterday that
we're going to go through here for our listeners, Robes,
this was downright difficult. This stuff is hard to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know, I was just imagining what she's been going
through here. I think she's been testifying now if you
count Tuesday and Wednesday, she's been on the stand for
nine hours. This is a woman who is eight and
a half months pregnant, and she is talking about some
of the most devastating, unthinkable things that anyone could live through,
(00:47):
talking about wanting to die by suicide, wanting to end things.
That's how bad they got, and she's reliving it all
in front of the world.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You're say, in front of the world, and also in
front of our husband. Her husband has been say in
that courtroom. We're going to talk about him a little
bit more here in a moment, but he's having to
sit in there, and it's just some of the details,
and we do want to warn you here some of
the details you're going to hear are very disturbing, could
be triggering for some people as well, but it's part
of what she said on the stand yesterday. And we
remind you as well that cameras are not allowed in
(01:18):
the courtroom, so we are having to depend on reporters
who are in there giving their individual accounts. Now you
have to go search through a bunch of places and
a bunch of websites to get all the accounts and
get kind of a better idea general sense of what
happened in the courtroom, and that takes a lot of work,
so that we were trying to provide a service here
if you will.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, you and I have been going through and you
really do have to go through all the different media
outlets that are there to get a full picture of
what was said, what the reactions were in the courtroom,
from the jurors to even Diddy himself. And so yes,
we're hoping that for you all, you can just listen
to this and have a comprehensive view of what happened
in the courtroom because we did all the research for you.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So, yeah, yes day, she wrapped up, So the prosecution
wrapped up yesterday and Today is the day for cross examination.
That's expected to go on for the next couple of days.
So she's gonna you talked about ten hours already, Robe,
She's gonna be up there for another ten plus wow,
probably through the week. But yesterday was bombshell after bombshell
(02:19):
after bombshell. There was more detail about drugs, injuries, even
that she got from those sex parties, those so called
freak offs. She talked about Stintson rehab she had, she
says she's been through trauma therapy, talked about, like you
just mentioned, Robes being suicidal. She also gave details about
several alleged assaults by Ditty, several and at one point
(02:41):
she detailed an instance in which she claimed he raped her.
It was I mean, this stuff is just it's heinous,
it's disgusting. These are allegations. Obviously he hasn't had a
chance to defend himself. But also yesterday still images so
so called freak coughs. We should let you know. The
whole courtroom was not allowed to see these images, but
(03:02):
jurors and we'll get into here in a moment, got
to see them, and they had some, according to all accounts,
some pretty obvious. I guess you could say probably visceral
reactions to what they were seeing.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, and that was accounted for by people who were
in the courtroom. You mentioned her husband being in the courtroom.
He did step out, as was pre arranged between the
defense and the prosecution that he would step out while
she recounted what she claims was a rape by Sean Didtycom.
So he did leave for that portion. But you're right,
he has been witnessing and listening to everything, all of
(03:36):
her testimony up until that point. But when she talks
about the assaults and she really describes the injuries, it's devastating.
And something else she talked about was at one of
the freak offs, and this is early on. She claims
that Diddy went through her phone and found out that
(03:56):
she was dating someone else, rapper called Kid Cutting, and
she said she started dating him in twenty eleven, but
she didn't tell Diddy. She claims when he saw this
on her phone, he reacted so violently that he lunged
at her with a wine opener that quarkscrew. She says
she was able to get away and actually went to
(04:17):
another hotel, but there were threats that followed.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
She said these were threats that were there throughout her
relationship with him, those threats to release sex videos of
her to the public, But it also came with physical threats.
This time, she said he threatened to hurt her, threatened
to hurt kid Cutty. She said he would just not
calm down. She says he was absolutely irate, to a
point that he was in one point they were supposed
(04:44):
to be discussing this, he was still so angry and upset.
He kicked her in the back, causing bruises and she
fell to the ground. Now, she detailed several assaults robes
and all of them, there was one hitting her repeatedly
in the head, talking about kicking her. We talked about
(05:04):
ten years this young lady went through. And again it's
very difficult to at times. Everybody's innocent until proven guilty.
And this isn't a trial about domestic violence, actually, but
what she's described and your heart, your heart breaks, and
you can't help. But I can't imagine listening to her
versus reading her accounts. And yesterday they said she was
(05:26):
more stoic, she kept it together a little better. A
few times she did cry, but what she described on
the stand all day yesterday was chilling.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, it's remarkable. She even claims that Diddy was responsible
for blowing up Kid Cutty's car, and she detailed what
she knew of that. But she talks about when he
was so irate, you say that he couldn't calm down.
She says she returned to that hotel room that she
escaped to and found that someone had urinated all over
the floor. The furniture in the hotel room had been broken.
(05:54):
Someone had even taken a dump in the toilet to
have I don't know a better way to discribe what
she says she found, but she had taken pictures of
those bruises and she showed them to the jury, and
that is when later she got into the allegations and
she described what she says was a rape in twoenty eighteen,
(06:15):
This is of course, when her husband left, but she
says that she and Diddy had gone to dinner in
Malibu for what she was thinking would be a closure
conversation because at that point she was all ready in
a relationship with her now husband, so this was kind
of like a goodbye, let's end his friends kind of
a dinner, And she says that he was upbeat and
(06:37):
playful during the dinner.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, that was interesting, she said. They was actually going well,
maybe even surprisingly so, but then everything took a turn.
When he was supposed to drive her home, he went
into the home. She said, he raped it right there
on the living room floor. She described at times she
said she didn't recognize who was there with her. I
think she described it even as like his eyes were black.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yep, she said that didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Know who the guy was. Said she cried, I threw out.
She said it was quick, but didn't even think he
noticed that she was crying.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And she said she said no, no, no, no, no, no.
She there was no question she told him no. And
she also admitted this, which you know, I'm sure she
knows under cross examination this will all come up. But
she did say after that alleged rape, she was intimate
with Diddy one other time voluntarily, which I'm sure will
(07:26):
raise in eye ros and I'm sure the defense will
go after that.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But anybody who actually deals with women who deal with
sexual assault will explain that very quickly, fairly easily, that
that shouldn't surprise anyone. It doesn't take away from the
fact that she was assaulted and that she was raped
and that she did say no. And I think this
is probably something over the years robes we have we
have reported on, but they will absolutely tell you she's trapped,
(07:53):
she's in. It doesn't take away that she was assaulted
because she ends up still with the same person.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That assaulted her. I mean, she has said throughout this
entire time on the stand that she loved him, that
she was in love with him, that she wanted a
relationship with him. It still doesn't take away when you
say no, it means no. And she also talked about
(08:21):
some more details about just when she was physically assaulted.
She claimed she had to wear makeup, she had to
wear a different dress that she was planning to wear
for a movie premiere to cover up the bruises. And
that was right after that video that was shown that
we've all seen. Unfortunately, that incident in the hotel room
where he was seen kicking her and assaulting her. She
(08:41):
had a movie premiere to go to. She said that
the physical injuries she incurred were so significant she had
to change her dress, she had to wear sunglasses, she
had to wear significant makeup. But prosecutors pointed out on
these pictures you could see bruises on her arms and
on her leg still fight all the efforts she took
to try and cover it up.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And those pictures are out there for people to see,
and you study and you squint, and I'm sure the
defense will say, well, you can't really make out what
that is, but you do clearly see something on her
arm and on her leg. And they have, I mean,
people have taken him and circled those particular spots in
those particular images. I cannot have met. She said that
was maybe the most important night of her life. It
(09:24):
was very important for her career. She was starring in
a movie. She was starring in a big Hollywood Perfect Matt,
Perfect Match. She was the lead, she said that night,
and I didn't give much clarity on the story, but
she said she snuck into a popcorn closet at the
movie theater that night because she needed to change into
a different dress that was going to help her cover
(09:45):
up something better for the after party. Cassie is in
a you know, popcorn closet in a movie theater, trying
to keep the secret that she was being beaten by
the man she is in a public relationship with. Is
what she claimed that is, like I said, bombshell after
bombshell after bombshell. One other assault in twenty thirteen, she
(10:07):
mentioned she actually attacked her while she was asleep. So
she's dead asleep and here comes somebody beating on her.
Her friends. She had friends in the place at the time,
jumped on him, she said, to intervene to try to
stop this, but she ended up with a gash in
her head, didn't go to the er. He sent her
to and paid for a plastic surgeon to fix her
(10:28):
up after that assault that night. So she again we
only describe it a few herobes, but she had incident
after incident after incident, and there are several people, her mom,
her friends, some people witnessed it, some people took the
pictures for her of the bruises. She has a lot
of people to back up what she say.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, as you pointed out, if this were a domestic
assault case, this would be a slam dunk case. There's
a lot to prove here from the prosecution side. But
my goodness, it's remarkable the evidence she has and her
ability to recount what happened. I mean, my heart is
racing when I hear what she went through. It's unthinkable.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And you see the text there. This was shit, we say,
is a part of all the evidence. But they shared
this text message between Cassie and Diddy that was after
one of these assaults, the text of which lets you
know where her head was. And this is as well,
robes that could be used as evidence. You don't send
(11:29):
somebody this text unless something in particular is going on
in your relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, the text read you treat me like Ike Turner.
And obviously most people are very familiar with the relationship
between Icontina Turner. It was violent, it was abusive, it
was physically abusive, and she still has that text and
she shared it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In court, also shared in Cordy yesterday, at least with
the jurors. Still images of those free calls not shown
to the whole court room. As we mentioned, they have
screens right in front of them. I think that was
actually a delay one point, because they were trying to
install those screens for the jurors. But she's almost walking
them through what they're seeing in some of these images,
(12:10):
and she's identifying people. See that's so and so on,
and that so and so and that so and so on.
But as we said, the other day. These were male
escorts that were brought in a lot of times. Some
of them she got familiar with, but she didn't know
their real name. So to hear her in court saying, oh, yeah,
that's that's Islander right there. They're Skyler over there. And
at one point she said to the jurors, yeah, that's me,
(12:30):
as they were looking at these pictures. And look, we
aren't in there to see the jurors, so we have
to depend on the accounts from the reporters, and the
reporters are telling us that, yeah, those jurors appeared to
be a little shook about.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, they were saying they got specific saying one female
durwer actually let out a deep breath and put her
hand on her chest as she looked at the image
on that monitor. And then a male durer apparently looked
at the screen and then his eyes quickly moved away.
He couldn't look at the image. That's how difficult it was.
They saw another duror writing on his notepad feverishly after
(13:03):
seeing what he saw. So at the very least those images,
just those still images, had such an impression left such
an impression on Jurasia. They physically viscerally responded to what
they were seeing.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
She got into and I guess this makes sense. We
talked about it a little bit yesterday, I believe robes
about freey cough going for four days and sometimes thego
for a day, day and a half, two three, but
the longest she remembered was four And we were talking
about just how physically exhausting that had to be, because
she in fact said she was awake crawl of it
because she stayed doped up on drugs and that was
by design. But she went into yesterday's robot some details
(13:41):
of what happened to her as a result of all
of that physical exertion and activity and baby oil and
sexual activity fluids. Yeah, and this stuff. This is frankly,
it's just it's awful.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Later, look, I mean, I mean, I hadn't even thought
about this, but a lot of women know that uti
are a part of having too much sex sometimes, and
she said she had so many painful utiyes over this
period and they got so bad that cipro, the strongest
antibiotic you could possibly use, that that wouldn't even work.
(14:16):
She said she had mouth sores. I mean, this is
just so hard to hear and to imagine just what
her body went through repeatedly going through NonStop sexual activities
with different men. I mean, it's obviously the emotional trauma
is there. She went to trauma therapy. She said she
had to do several stints in rehab. She talked about
(14:38):
the drugs that she was taking to stay up and
to perform the way did he wanted her through or
to disassociate herself. Yeah, Ketnemine was among them. She said
she was vomiting. Her stomach was just wrecked from all
of the drugs that she was taking.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And didn't she say often that she's gotten sick before,
and she was encouraged to come back or to keep going.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
We would throw up because the drugs were so much,
and then he'd just say get back in there. And
so it's not surprising that she then said she became suicidal.
She said, I didn't want to be alive anymore. At
that point, I couldn't take the pain that I was
in anymore, and so I just tried to walk out
the front door into traffic, like she would rather be
(15:20):
hit by the proverbial bus than continue to live the
way she was living.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just everybody has an opinion, and we always it's
it's innocent until proven guilty. That's all legit. But at
the same time, it's impossible to listen to the accounts
of what this woman went through in her life, all allegedly,
but still there is a collection of you have to
take her at her word on some things, and some
(15:55):
of it we have actually seen on video.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah. I was like, we have video, we have photo,
we have other people's accounts who can corroborate and validate
what her experience was.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Aside from a legal process. As a human being, your
heartbreaks listening to Cassie as a human being. Forget music,
legal guilty, not just as a human being. You cannot
listen to this woman and not have your heartbreak.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's so true. And I think if we think that
now hearing how she has testified under direct questioning, which
is the softer, gentler kinder. You've got the prosecutors leading
you and guiding you and supporting you as you tell
your story. She is now about to be faced with
the defense attorneys and cross examination, and what will probably
what most people believe will be a huge sticking point
(16:46):
is something she discussed at the end of her testimony yesterday,
the settlement she received, we all thought she was getting
the figure out there was that she got thirty million
dollars from Diddy after she filed this lawsuit. She acknowledged
for the first time ever that she received twenty million dollars.
And this is going to be something that Tenny Garrigos,
who even alluded to in her opening statements that instead
(17:09):
of Cassie going to the police, instead of Cassie seeking
remedy through any sort of criminal accusation, she went for
a money grab. She went for the money. She actually
wrote a book and sent the book through her lawyer
to Diddy and said, I should be compensated for this.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, she wanted She essentially tried to sell him the
right to the book. It look, it was a negotiating ploy.
It was a tactic to get this money out of
him and say, hey, if not, this is going to
go out.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
She also said she wanted him to read her pain
and understand what she actually went through because she didn't
think he really got it, and apparently.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He didn't from all reports, he didn't take it seriously.
He didn't take the threat if you will seriously. But
she filed a lawsuit. That thing was settled in twenty
four hours once she filed that lawsuit, and the wheels
absolutely came off. But again, like you said, the thirty
million did come from She said that she initially wanted
thirty million from him for the rights to the book.
(18:06):
When they decided they were going to settle, she said
she came up with that number just out of there.
She didn't do any research or what she could get
or what it was worth. She just came up with
a number, and that's all.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It was what she figured from her pain and suffering,
that would thirty million a work, yes, that that would
ease the pain enough where that would be a remedy
where she could live with that and live with that
kind of a settlement. So it ended up being twenty
million dollars, And that was again the first time we
had heard that and.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Probably the first time she was legally allowed to speak
about it. These settlements and whatnot, they often come with
non disclosure agreements, with non disparagement agreements, and the only
exception when you can speak about that agreement is if
you were compelled to do so in a court of law,
and that is what we have here. I don't know
if we ever would have heard about this, No, probably not,
(18:53):
never would have known this had she not been in
court and under oath and required to testify. But yeah,
she got the twenty million, and I think that was
a surprise everybody to hear that number. But that's certainly
was settled on. She's back today the cross examination. I mean,
hold your breath because defense attorneys do what they do,
and we have seen over the years it might be
the most sympathetic victim you've ever heard from in your life,
(19:15):
and then some defense attorney gets up there and rips
them apart. Now, don't know how they're going to handle her,
but they're going to do what they have to do
to defend their guy.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, and it's you know, the lead attorney is a
very famous attorney's daughter, Tenny Geragos, the daughter of Mark Arraghos,
who actually just was representing the Menendez brothers, who's represented
Scott Peterson of course, OJ Simpson, et cetera. But we've
got a Shapiro on that team as well. So they
are seasoned and very well experienced lawyers. And the two
(19:45):
lead ones are females, and that was by choice as well.
So yes, we will be holding our breath to see
what happens in that courtroom today. But there were some
quotes that we would like to end this podcast with
that we heard from Cassie yesterday really struck us, that
really spoke to her personal trauma and what she's been
living with.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
And the first one you're here put down because I
thought it was so telling, and also we give us
that word heartbreaking, but it was so telling. And then
the last one we have here, it's kind of one
of the closing statements she made that kind of brings
it all home as well. But the first she said
at one point it was terrifying. It's not normal constantly
being bruised up by the person you love who says
(20:28):
they love you. We have to remember there are certain times,
have been several times where you're reminded this was a
young woman who actually thought she was in love. She
was with somebody that she maybe she was in love,
but she was being treated by the person she loves
in a way that obviously is inexcusable. But to hear
her at moments talk about the best part of the
freak off was time I got to spend with him,
(20:50):
to hear her say in some moments, and this moment
as well, constantly being bruised up by the person you
love who says they love you. It's not normal.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, it is not. And she closed with this statement,
I can't carry this anymore, the shame, the guilt. What's
right is right and what's wrong is wrong. People aren't disposable.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, she said so much of the time she has spent.
You're just ashamed. You're embarrassed. She used that word embarrassed
like that was one point. She described him watching a
freak off video on a plane with other people around,
just shit, kind of showing it and like it was
not that she was just embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And that's actually a really good point you make, because
she talked about people always ask why did you stay? Yes,
she loved him, Yes, she wanted to make him happy.
I think we can all understand that. But at a
certain point, you're like, when the abuse gets so egregious,
why wouldn't you leave? Well, her career was hanging in
the balance A and B those videos. She says he
(21:54):
absolutely threatened to release those videos of her willingly having
these types of sexual acts that most people would look
at with a lot of judgment and it was too
overwhelming for her to think about people other people seeing
these videos of her. And that makes sense. I think
(22:16):
so many women, anyone especially who's been in any similar
situation or even is thinking, but knows that that is
a very compelling reason to stay quiet.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You said while he to why she stayed. People asked
why she stayed. You mentioned the threat of this, but
there was also the threat of physical violence, physical harm. Yes,
living under thread. Look, this has been some compelling and
just graphic and unbelievable stuff. And when you look at
the pictures robes, when you go back and now you
look at the pictures of her on a red carpet
and go, wow, twenty four hours ago she was being beaten.
(22:46):
And so some of these pictures are coming up and
coming out. And you know, I told you about this
song as well. I mean, you're looking at things differently
hearing her story. There is a song I brought this up.
I love this song. I've been listening to it for
a decade plus. On one of Usher's old albums, it's
called Little Freak. Usher is singing through this song about
(23:09):
essentially having his woman go find him other people so
they can all have sex together is the song. And
there's a part where Nicki Minaj raps, I'm plotting on
how I can take Cassie away from Diddy while she's
singing about bringing other women and other people into the
(23:29):
fray and a sexual experience. And I heard I'm like,
why I never listened to that the same way that
I'm listening to it now. But I encourage go listen
to that song, folks, Little freak by Usher.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It has a very different meaning. You said you thought
it was one thing, and now you're thinking it might
have been a minute completely the other. What was like
saving her instead of stealing her or banning her, but
saving her?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Could that possibly have been the case? Could possibly have
been the case?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Possibly could have.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So, folks, we will continue robes and I will continue
to update you. I know it's hard out there to
try to read all that information, but we are reading
it every single day and want to continue to bring
it to you here because we know there is a
lot of interest and what's happening in the courtroom that
is just that direction. As I point out the window
of our apartment here in Lower Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, thank you for listening, and we will keep you updated.
Hope you all have a wonderful day to day
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