June 10, 2025 • 23 mins
Amy and T.J. begin with the latest news from court which includes the judge’s ruling against a mistrial and a mystery juror who is now being investigated. Diddy’s ex “Jane” faces cross examination where she talks about the sweeter side of their relationship including foot rubs, watching sermons and Dateline. All this, after another heartbreaking day of testimony that included allegations of a brutal assault.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, June tenth. Testimony underway
as we speak on what is now officially the fifth week,
day twenty in the Ditty trial. Welcome to this episode
of Amy and TJ. We continue to be your one
stop every day to get you all caught up. Today,
Robes is one of the most anticipated days in the
trial with one of the most anticipated witnesses who will
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undergo a highly anticipated cross examination. So all that's going
on supposed to in court today, but rose before we
even got to some testimony. We've seen this a couple
of times. There was some housekeeping and some pretty important
and even entertaining at times housekeeping they had to do
in court this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, I think many of you who've been listening to
us will recall that Diddy's lawyers asked for a second
time for a miss trial, and the judge gave the
prosecution and yesterday to come back with its response to
this mistrial quickly. To sum up, the defense says that
because the prosecution put Brianna Bunglin on the stand and
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she claimed that did he dangled her off that seventeenth
floor balcony on a day that he was actually in
New York and not in la and had been in
New York days before and days after that. The prosecution
should have known that it was impossible and should never
have put her on the stand, and therefore should the
trial should be over. The judge disagreed, but it was
(01:32):
awesome what the judge said when he denied the defense's
request for a miss trial. He did give them a nod.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And he should have. Look, this was a look they
have been. They've done a decent job in the crossing.
They're doing their job in cross examinations of all the
witnesses so far. This was a moment that all of
us said, Holy hell, how did you miss? That? This
had been the centerpiece. So much of her testimony is
the fact that she said, this guy, this bad guy,
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this monster, on this terrible night, beating down the door,
he comes in and he grabs me, lifts me up,
he tosses me on furniture, he lifts me over the balcony.
She was specific September the twenty six, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You'll probably never forget that date. You've said it so
many times.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But that was the one she's DoPT with. How can
you put this important witness on the stand and then yes,
did the attorneys presented an actual, real, physical, literal receipt
showing he wasn't just in New York that day, but
almost a whole week the days surrounding. How can they
make that mistake?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He was on tour, so it wasn't really that hard
to figure out. Yes, that's the other thing. I was like, wait,
he was on tour, Yes, so those dates would have
been readily available. So anyway, what the judge said to
the defense was, well, it was a real Perry Mason
moment for you guys, but not grounds to toss the case.
(02:55):
But he did give the defense team a compliment.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I thought that was kind of cool. He said, look here,
you got them. You got them on this one. I'm
not gonna give a mistrial, but yeah, you won that
round exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And the other thing, Alexandra Shapiro, one of Diddy's attorneys,
asked the judge if she could go on record to
state that the government should never have called Brianna Bunglein
to testify to that specific event. And she did that
because she's, as most people would point out, legal experts
who are much smarter than me on these types of moments,
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was doing that potentially to set up grounds for an appeal.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, but that was I mean, what a moment in
this trial. And again another mistrial. This is twice within
the three weeks. Has it been that they asked for
another mistrial? You think, what's going on? What's going on? Look,
a case this complicated, certainly won this high profile. I'm
surprised we haven't had more emotions for mistrial. This is
just what they do. You take your chance, why not?
(03:49):
Why not? And see what happened. So we probably haven't
seen the last. But he had to handle that this morning.
There's something that else going on this morning that at
least the folks who are in the room, the reporters
are in the room kind of scratching their heads about.
Can't figure out. There was a big powow yesterday between
the attorneys and the judge and the judges chambers. Nobody
exactly knew what that was about. They've come out today
(04:10):
now ropes and they're talking about apparently a juror in
particular is being talked about or discussed. The defense wants
to keep the juror. The prosecution doesn't know is what
we know at this point. But this is a mystery
juror and what's the issue.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I know we will hopefully find out at some point,
but yeah, Diddy's legal team wants to keep the juror
in the trial. Prosecutors say they want more time to
investigate the juror. So we're not exactly sure what that
means for now the juror is going to stay in place,
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but certainly there could be another announcement about that and whoever. Well,
we are listening to reporters who are in the courtroom
and they say the whole courtroom was buzzing with conversation
trying to figure out which sure what it could be about,
but nobody knows. And they said that Diddy himself seemed
very engrossed in the conversation with his defense attorneys after
they were huddling.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
How many alternates do they have? They usually do about six,
don't they?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They get me somewhere around that they have plenty to Yeah,
if they need to get rid of this juror for
whatever fairness, they have plenty who've been sitting in and
listening to everything.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You could step in, step right in, and that's the
point of having alternates. Folks, you know, wouldn't want to
go through this whole process, then you lose one jur
and then have to start this thing over again. So
they got some standbys, but we don't know what's going
on with this juror, in particular now to the actual testimony.
There was some fresh testimony this morning that's going on again. Jane.
She is a Jane Does testifying under that pseudonym robe.
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She's one of four alleged victims that the government is
really building their case on. She got on the stand
last Thursday, and she has been under direct examination up
until now, so the cross examination is starting. We'll get
into her full day of testimony, which wrapped up yesterday.
We want to give folks now the highlights kind of
what we've heard so far this morning, which once again
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continues to.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Amaze yes, because it has me torn. We'll go over
all of the unbelievable details that she testified to on Monday.
But today, with the defense having their opportunity to show
a softer, kinder side of Diddy and their relationship, it's
making you have mixed feelings, which is exactly what they're
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hoping the jurors will feel like. But she talked about
how Diddy was her baby, how she liked to give
him foot rubs. I mean some of that is intimate,
but also interesting that there mostly was good times.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It was sweet. Yes, we don't hear any every day,
so we do this podcast every day. I don't remember
describing anything about him that someone would deem sweet. Yes,
he liked foot rubs. His favorite show. Are they gonna Dateline?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I mean, I don't know if they want to, but yes,
apparently Diddy's favorite show was Dateline.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I don't think that's going to work in a promo.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Dateline Diddy loves us, Dateline will be doing a story
about Ditty when all but it was okay, he's just
like us, That's what.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They want us to think. He's just like us.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
He likes to watch murder in the evenings. We like
murder in the mornings. How different are we? A lot?
A lot, a lot please after everything we've heard.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But yes, that's what.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They're trying to do. They're humanizing him, they're normalizing their relationship.
They're trying to give jurors a fuller picture of what
their relationship was actually like.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Again, folks, that we as we're talking to you here,
you have heard so much and read so much about
this Ditty trial. Now listen to this. The woman on
the stand right now testifying at the behest of the prosecution,
so essentially testifying against Ditty is on the stand and
this morning talked about this is the man that reintroduced
her to religion.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That was another thing.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
This is the man who got her back into religion
connected with God. This is the guy, she says, would
watch sermons on TV. They would do this together and
have robes insightful conversations about life, love, and religion. Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
She also talked about the fact that I believe they
did have the receipts, and she said that sounded about right.
That over the course of their relationship, he's given her
around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He encouraged her
business ambitions. She apparently had a clothing venture. He invested
twenty thousand dollars into that. He put forty thousand dollars
onto her apartment, first and last month's rent and a
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security deposit. And he also was paying for her legal
fees throughout all of this. So they're showing him being
this generous provider and that.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Was in his best interest. The legal fees, I mean
because a lot of the lawyers and what she needed
was essentially to protect her. She was essentially right robes
on his side up until last when that video came out,
and when and Cassie's lawsuit came out. This woman, which
we should not, has not sued him in civil court
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and says she does not plan to. But when all
of that stuff was going on, she was still fully
in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It sounds as though they weren't out of a relationship
until after he was arrested.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes, until last September, and she didn't get she was
not cooperating with the government. The government didn't have her
as a part of their case until after the raids
and Cassie's stuff took place, so she wasn't a part
of them building a case against them until after the fact.
She essentially sitting up there as a woman, as horrific
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as it is, is someone who seems to be in
his camp.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
What's interesting, though, is that to me makes all of
her damning testimony that much more credible and believable, because.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I don't even want to be here. I love and
she said that today I love him. She was asked
how she felt about does she still love him today
on the stand this morning, folks, this woman who went
through all that horror that's been described says she loves
this man.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And that makes her so credible to me and I
think to the jury. So I don't know if that's
going to work. It seems like that would actually work
against Ditty because what she testified to was horrific, which
we're going to get into in just a second, but
to know that she still loves him, and this was
one thing that was a little bit troubling for me
listening to this morning. So Jane talked about the love
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contract that she had with Ditty, and that's where she
was being paid I believe ten thousand dollars a month
for doing freak offs in exchange for freak offs. So
they actually have audio exchanges back and forth from Ditty
and Jane where Ditty says, got your contract, find yourself
a nice little spot, meaning an apartment, and then he
said that he was addicted to Jane. He said to her,
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you are the crack pipe. That's my new name for you,
crackpipe or should I call you CP. But what Jane
responded to in her own voice in this audio message
in real time was this yay to your contract, I
am dying at your voicemail crackpipe is so real for
the both of us. It's definitely mutual. And her voice
was described as giddy by those who heard the audio message.
(11:15):
That doesn't sound like coercion.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So in your last breath almost you said that it
sounds more credible because she is talking about how much
she loves them and doesn't want to be there so right, So,
on one hand, that makes all of her stories more credible.
She doesn't have any reason to come up here and lie.
But then on the other hand, when you hear that
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she was happy and excited, it sounds like a woman
who wanted to be there experiencing all of those things.
What does a juror do with that?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I am my head is spinning right now, because let's
go over some of what Jane testified to on Monday.
This was the really hard to even listen to and
get your head around to stimony that is in complete
contrast to this loving sweet foot rub nights, watching Dayline,
listening to your pastor in the morning. I can't put
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those two things together.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know. Yeah, Monday was a that was a rough
day of testimony. I mean, we've heard a lot throughout
from Mia who's the pseudonym as well, but then Cassiventurifine
for several days and all of their stories. Would you
not agree this way? Jane testify to reading Cassie Venturafines lawsuit.
(12:31):
She says she was reading her own story. Yeah, she
couldn't believe the details in this.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
She said, she almost painted it's her life.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right there, somebody else experienced and she had no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
She thought she was the only one. She thought she
was the only one who was enduring this to try
and hope for a relationship with him, for all loving
life with him, and realized, oh my god, this is
just on repeat. I'm just the next person, the next
girl to go through this. But she you know, you
pointed this out we were talking. It doesn't sound like
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in their three and a half year relationship Jane and
Ditty's that he ever physically assaulted her until this past summer.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Correct, she hasn't testified about assaults. She hasn't about him
forcing himself on her at any point either. It's just
been a matter of the free costs and corrosion.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, But the assault she described on Monday was horrific.
That she was at her place and she was hoping
for a romantic night with him. She had candles everywhere
all over the house. She brought up a younger woman
who she heard rumors about that Diddy might be seeing
on the side, and they got into a fight.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And it's important the date is important. This was in
June of last year, folks, So June of twenty twenty four,
she was still dating this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Almost exactly a year ago, with a week to spare
June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she said. When they got
into the fight because this woman, I guess was twenty
five years younger, she called Diddy a pedophile because she
was angry. Through a candle, she pushed his head on
a marble countertop. So she admits that she started the physical.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh, this was They spent a lot of time talking
about this incident on the stand, and it's a unbelievable, horrific.
It sounds like a horror movie night where someone is
literally running from somebody trying to kill.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That they turned into a dateline episode, like actually.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
She did this was absolutely this is nuts. The thing
about now, to your point, she said, she unloaded on
him she got the worst of it, but she admitted
to being violent, which included, like you said, set him
off by calling him that name. She says, all this
been pent up anger of hers came out. She's throwing candles.
There's wax all over the place. But yes, at one point,
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he was kind of leaning on a marble countertop, and
she took his head and pushed it and slammed it
down on that marble countertop. She admitted to all this. Yep,
but this sounded like full on fisticuffs between two grown,
equal sized folks, not a man woman fighting like this.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, Because as she's telling him, I hate you, I
hate you, I hate you, she said, she was repeatedly
saying that to him. She ran to the master bedroom
and hid in a closet. He broke down the doors
of the bedroom. She tried to run out of the bedroom.
She said he kicked her in the back of the leg.
She fell, and then he said he put her in
a chokehold. She punched. He punched her back. She had bruises.
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She said she had a black eye. She said, he
started punching my head. He started kicking me. He started
saying all types of things, and she said, he told
her to Well, this is when she ran out of
the house, right, So.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
This fight is going on. She goes to a closet,
gets away from him. Eventually, like you described, she says,
she got out of the choke hold. She gets runs outside.
This is where she lives now, and she's hiding somewhere.
She's hiding outside for two hours, she said, two hours,
hoping he would leave, assuming he would be gone when
she got back. But she got back, he was still
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in there.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
He was still in there, and you know what he
said to her, put some ice on those bruises and
put on an outfit, meaning some lingerie because he had
already called a male escort to show up, and he said,
now you're going to perform for me after that horrific beating?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Was this Anton? I think they even have the male essay.
It was Anton.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It was Anton.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
But she said when she came back, as she was
trying to get cleaned up, he was still assaulting her
while she was in the shower. He was smacking her
while she was in the shower. Now, it's one thing.
Do you hear this story, the fight, How horrific that is.
This is the first time, right, We've heard a story
where it combined two of the horrors until one night
like back to back, allegedly beat somebody and then allegedly
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put somebody through a free cough back to back same night.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I and I know with all of those horrible details,
one stood out to me that maybe doesn't seem like
that big of a deeal to you, but as a woman,
I just thought, Oh, that's so painful. She's upset. The
whole thing starts because she's she thinks that he might
be seeing a younger girl on the side while he's
got her pinned down. This is what she testifies to.
He gets that girl, she's in her twenties, on the
(17:15):
phone and starts having the girl hurl insults at Jane, like,
so you're so upset that the guy you love you
think is seeing someone, and now that girl is on
the phone throwing shade on you. Talk about just inflaming
your emotions.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I didn't understand that. I didn't understand why that was Wow, Like,
I don't what are people on? I mean, I suggest
that's extra met Yeah, I didn't understand. Again, the guy
who did that is the same guy who got her
into religion and watched sermons with her on television.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I can't get my head around that when he's.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Supposed to do that. And this is the date here
is very important again, June eighteenth of last year, twenty
twenty four is when this happened. A month earlier, Diddy
had gotten on social media and made an apology video
about the Cassie Ventura Fine surveillance video that had come out.
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Promised to be a better person, promised to be a
better man. I'm gonna do the work. I'm gonna do better.
He said that to the world. A month later, he
was beating the hell out of this woman, according to
her testimony.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Wow. And that is when she this was in a
text she sent him. Correct when she said I am
not an animal. Oh yeah, she sent this text. Again.
These are real time texts. So again we were talking
about this in yesterday's episode. How much more effective they
are in the sense that you're not recalling something, you're
not misremembering something or adding something to it that didn't
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really happen. This is exactly where she was in that time.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
She writes to Ditty, I don't have the date on
this one because it is important, but just know this
was until you. You made this very good point. This
is better than testimony because this is stuff she wrote
while she had no idea this was going to go public,
no idea that she was going to be called to testify.
There was one you read from her yesterday. I was
really powerful. But if anybody's listening to the sounds of
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our voices, now stop for a moment and listen to
this quote that Robot's about to give you, and it
just guts you. Sometimes even worse than hearing some of
the details of a freak off of details of a beat.
This is so that's just this is a tough one
the stomach.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, this is from Jane writing this to Ditty. I'm
not an animal. I'm not a porn star. These experiences
are desensitizing sex for me. My spirit and my soul
is tired. I need a break. I can't be used
like this anymore. I wanted to make you happy, but
it's creating a war inside me.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, yeah, you almost feel your heart crying when
you hear that. No woman was pleading with this man.
Just please te like she's just saying I need a break, right,
didn't want to break up?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh no, she doesn't want to break up a break
She does not want to break up. She wants more
foot rubs and Dateline Friday nights, you know, that's what
she wanted. And candles and champagne maybe, and not ecstasy
and multiple male escorts. That's a very different experience. And
she was even with him as late as August correct
last year in Miami. That's what she testified to and
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she said, yes, she once again had sex with another
guy in front of ditty. She said he only wanted
to have sex with her after she had sex with
these men.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Everybody has their kink, everybody has their thing, everybody has
whatever it is they're into. Not here to judge any
of that, but it is different to hear. I mean,
that's just some stuff I don't used to hearing now.
I used to hearing on a day in, day out.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I've never heard anything like this before. And we watch
horror movies, and we watched Dateline, and we watch a
lot of these true crime shows. I haven't heard heard
anything like this before in my life.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
We are going to all that appears, be hearing more
about it for the next couple of days. She's expected again.
You remind me she's the one that's supposed to have
a trip on Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, so they are trying
to get done with her in all this testimony. By
certainly she has to take a flight. Is it really
just are they saying it's a vacation. They say they
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haven't said an international flight.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But I know that the defense said I read this
that they believe they had two days of cross examination.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So it's got to be redirect, doesn't I I mean,
how long will that take? A half? It seems like.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Maybe she could move her flight twenty four hours. It's
kind of important, but we'll see what happens. How much
that plays into her availability? And do you have the
option to say you're not available.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Maybe they're just trying to accommodate her, you know, it's
trying to be nice. This is difficult enough. Probably maybe,
and we should notice. Well I didn't think of it
until now. There was an expert that testified on the
mindset the behavior of abuse victims. I can't remember her name.
I think was Hughes. Testified a couple of weeks ago
for the prosecution. But she was up there to kind
of explain how and why a victim might not leave
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their abuser. The prosecution has asked to bring her back.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
They want her to testify again after Jane Judd said no,
that actually makes.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
The judge said no, just said no, Oh wow, I
can see why they would want to.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But they would want to come back and try to
get her to explained Nope, you don't get that option
to do that again. So yeah, I thought that was
to your point. I saw you react on your faith. Yes,
I mean what that's interesting. So they feel like there's
some point they need to make that they're missing after
Jane's testament, we'll just have to remind.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yours of what she testified to in their closing statements. Well,
we want to thank all of you for listening and
we're going to continue to put out these podcasts every
day as long as there is a juicy update, and
my goodness, there have been no shortage of those so far,
So thank you for listening to us on this rainy Tuesday,
but we will be back with more, so stay tuned
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for that. Have a wonderful day, everybody,
Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, June tenth. Testimony underway
as we speak on what is now officially the fifth week,
day twenty in the Ditty trial. Welcome to this episode
of Amy and TJ. We continue to be your one
stop every day to get you all caught up. Today,
Robes is one of the most anticipated days in the
trial with one of the most anticipated witnesses who will
(00:32):
undergo a highly anticipated cross examination. So all that's going
on supposed to in court today, but rose before we
even got to some testimony. We've seen this a couple
of times. There was some housekeeping and some pretty important
and even entertaining at times housekeeping they had to do
in court this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, I think many of you who've been listening to
us will recall that Diddy's lawyers asked for a second
time for a miss trial, and the judge gave the
prosecution and yesterday to come back with its response to
this mistrial quickly. To sum up, the defense says that
because the prosecution put Brianna Bunglin on the stand and
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she claimed that did he dangled her off that seventeenth
floor balcony on a day that he was actually in
New York and not in la and had been in
New York days before and days after that. The prosecution
should have known that it was impossible and should never
have put her on the stand, and therefore should the
trial should be over. The judge disagreed, but it was
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awesome what the judge said when he denied the defense's
request for a miss trial. He did give them a nod.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And he should have. Look, this was a look they
have been. They've done a decent job in the crossing.
They're doing their job in cross examinations of all the
witnesses so far. This was a moment that all of
us said, Holy hell, how did you miss? That? This
had been the centerpiece. So much of her testimony is
the fact that she said, this guy, this bad guy,
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this monster, on this terrible night, beating down the door,
he comes in and he grabs me, lifts me up,
he tosses me on furniture, he lifts me over the balcony.
She was specific September the twenty six, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You'll probably never forget that date. You've said it so
many times.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But that was the one she's DoPT with. How can
you put this important witness on the stand and then yes,
did the attorneys presented an actual, real, physical, literal receipt
showing he wasn't just in New York that day, but
almost a whole week the days surrounding. How can they
make that mistake?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He was on tour, so it wasn't really that hard
to figure out. Yes, that's the other thing. I was like, wait,
he was on tour, Yes, so those dates would have
been readily available. So anyway, what the judge said to
the defense was, well, it was a real Perry Mason
moment for you guys, but not grounds to toss the case.
(02:55):
But he did give the defense team a compliment.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I thought that was kind of cool. He said, look here,
you got them. You got them on this one. I'm
not gonna give a mistrial, but yeah, you won that
round exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And the other thing, Alexandra Shapiro, one of Diddy's attorneys,
asked the judge if she could go on record to
state that the government should never have called Brianna Bunglein
to testify to that specific event. And she did that
because she's, as most people would point out, legal experts
who are much smarter than me on these types of moments,
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was doing that potentially to set up grounds for an appeal.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, but that was I mean, what a moment in
this trial. And again another mistrial. This is twice within
the three weeks. Has it been that they asked for
another mistrial? You think, what's going on? What's going on? Look,
a case this complicated, certainly won this high profile. I'm
surprised we haven't had more emotions for mistrial. This is
just what they do. You take your chance, why not?
(03:49):
Why not? And see what happened. So we probably haven't
seen the last. But he had to handle that this morning.
There's something that else going on this morning that at
least the folks who are in the room, the reporters
are in the room kind of scratching their heads about.
Can't figure out. There was a big powow yesterday between
the attorneys and the judge and the judges chambers. Nobody
exactly knew what that was about. They've come out today
(04:10):
now ropes and they're talking about apparently a juror in
particular is being talked about or discussed. The defense wants
to keep the juror. The prosecution doesn't know is what
we know at this point. But this is a mystery
juror and what's the issue.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I know we will hopefully find out at some point,
but yeah, Diddy's legal team wants to keep the juror
in the trial. Prosecutors say they want more time to
investigate the juror. So we're not exactly sure what that
means for now the juror is going to stay in place,
(04:49):
but certainly there could be another announcement about that and whoever. Well,
we are listening to reporters who are in the courtroom
and they say the whole courtroom was buzzing with conversation
trying to figure out which sure what it could be about,
but nobody knows. And they said that Diddy himself seemed
very engrossed in the conversation with his defense attorneys after
they were huddling.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
How many alternates do they have? They usually do about six,
don't they?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They get me somewhere around that they have plenty to Yeah,
if they need to get rid of this juror for
whatever fairness, they have plenty who've been sitting in and
listening to everything.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You could step in, step right in, and that's the
point of having alternates. Folks, you know, wouldn't want to
go through this whole process, then you lose one jur
and then have to start this thing over again. So
they got some standbys, but we don't know what's going
on with this juror, in particular now to the actual testimony.
There was some fresh testimony this morning that's going on again. Jane.
She is a Jane Does testifying under that pseudonym robe.
(05:45):
She's one of four alleged victims that the government is
really building their case on. She got on the stand
last Thursday, and she has been under direct examination up
until now, so the cross examination is starting. We'll get
into her full day of testimony, which wrapped up yesterday.
We want to give folks now the highlights kind of
what we've heard so far this morning, which once again
(06:05):
continues to.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Amaze yes, because it has me torn. We'll go over
all of the unbelievable details that she testified to on Monday.
But today, with the defense having their opportunity to show
a softer, kinder side of Diddy and their relationship, it's
making you have mixed feelings, which is exactly what they're
(06:27):
hoping the jurors will feel like. But she talked about
how Diddy was her baby, how she liked to give
him foot rubs. I mean some of that is intimate,
but also interesting that there mostly was good times.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It was sweet. Yes, we don't hear any every day,
so we do this podcast every day. I don't remember
describing anything about him that someone would deem sweet. Yes,
he liked foot rubs. His favorite show. Are they gonna Dateline?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I mean, I don't know if they want to, but yes,
apparently Diddy's favorite show was Dateline.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I don't think that's going to work in a promo.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Dateline Diddy loves us, Dateline will be doing a story
about Ditty when all but it was okay, he's just
like us, That's what.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They want us to think. He's just like us.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
He likes to watch murder in the evenings. We like
murder in the mornings. How different are we? A lot?
A lot, a lot please after everything we've heard.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But yes, that's what.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They're trying to do. They're humanizing him, they're normalizing their relationship.
They're trying to give jurors a fuller picture of what
their relationship was actually like.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Again, folks, that we as we're talking to you here,
you have heard so much and read so much about
this Ditty trial. Now listen to this. The woman on
the stand right now testifying at the behest of the prosecution,
so essentially testifying against Ditty is on the stand and
this morning talked about this is the man that reintroduced
her to religion.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That was another thing.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
This is the man who got her back into religion
connected with God. This is the guy, she says, would
watch sermons on TV. They would do this together and
have robes insightful conversations about life, love, and religion. Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
She also talked about the fact that I believe they
did have the receipts, and she said that sounded about right.
That over the course of their relationship, he's given her
around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He encouraged her
business ambitions. She apparently had a clothing venture. He invested
twenty thousand dollars into that. He put forty thousand dollars
onto her apartment, first and last month's rent and a
(08:37):
security deposit. And he also was paying for her legal
fees throughout all of this. So they're showing him being
this generous provider and that.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Was in his best interest. The legal fees, I mean
because a lot of the lawyers and what she needed
was essentially to protect her. She was essentially right robes
on his side up until last when that video came out,
and when and Cassie's lawsuit came out. This woman, which
we should not, has not sued him in civil court
(09:08):
and says she does not plan to. But when all
of that stuff was going on, she was still fully
in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It sounds as though they weren't out of a relationship
until after he was arrested.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes, until last September, and she didn't get she was
not cooperating with the government. The government didn't have her
as a part of their case until after the raids
and Cassie's stuff took place, so she wasn't a part
of them building a case against them until after the fact.
She essentially sitting up there as a woman, as horrific
(09:43):
as it is, is someone who seems to be in
his camp.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
What's interesting, though, is that to me makes all of
her damning testimony that much more credible and believable, because.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I don't even want to be here. I love and
she said that today I love him. She was asked
how she felt about does she still love him today
on the stand this morning, folks, this woman who went
through all that horror that's been described says she loves
this man.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And that makes her so credible to me and I
think to the jury. So I don't know if that's
going to work. It seems like that would actually work
against Ditty because what she testified to was horrific, which
we're going to get into in just a second, but
to know that she still loves him, and this was
one thing that was a little bit troubling for me
listening to this morning. So Jane talked about the love
(10:28):
contract that she had with Ditty, and that's where she
was being paid I believe ten thousand dollars a month
for doing freak offs in exchange for freak offs. So
they actually have audio exchanges back and forth from Ditty
and Jane where Ditty says, got your contract, find yourself
a nice little spot, meaning an apartment, and then he
said that he was addicted to Jane. He said to her,
(10:51):
you are the crack pipe. That's my new name for you,
crackpipe or should I call you CP. But what Jane
responded to in her own voice in this audio message
in real time was this yay to your contract, I
am dying at your voicemail crackpipe is so real for
the both of us. It's definitely mutual. And her voice
was described as giddy by those who heard the audio message.
(11:15):
That doesn't sound like coercion.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So in your last breath almost you said that it
sounds more credible because she is talking about how much
she loves them and doesn't want to be there so right, So,
on one hand, that makes all of her stories more credible.
She doesn't have any reason to come up here and lie.
But then on the other hand, when you hear that
(11:39):
she was happy and excited, it sounds like a woman
who wanted to be there experiencing all of those things.
What does a juror do with that?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I am my head is spinning right now, because let's
go over some of what Jane testified to on Monday.
This was the really hard to even listen to and
get your head around to stimony that is in complete
contrast to this loving sweet foot rub nights, watching Dayline,
listening to your pastor in the morning. I can't put
(12:09):
those two things together.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know. Yeah, Monday was a that was a rough
day of testimony. I mean, we've heard a lot throughout
from Mia who's the pseudonym as well, but then Cassiventurifine
for several days and all of their stories. Would you
not agree this way? Jane testify to reading Cassie Venturafines lawsuit.
(12:31):
She says she was reading her own story. Yeah, she
couldn't believe the details in this.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
She said, she almost painted it's her life.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right there, somebody else experienced and she had no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
She thought she was the only one. She thought she
was the only one who was enduring this to try
and hope for a relationship with him, for all loving
life with him, and realized, oh my god, this is
just on repeat. I'm just the next person, the next
girl to go through this. But she you know, you
pointed this out we were talking. It doesn't sound like
(13:01):
in their three and a half year relationship Jane and
Ditty's that he ever physically assaulted her until this past summer.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Correct, she hasn't testified about assaults. She hasn't about him
forcing himself on her at any point either. It's just
been a matter of the free costs and corrosion.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, But the assault she described on Monday was horrific.
That she was at her place and she was hoping
for a romantic night with him. She had candles everywhere
all over the house. She brought up a younger woman
who she heard rumors about that Diddy might be seeing
on the side, and they got into a fight.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And it's important the date is important. This was in
June of last year, folks, So June of twenty twenty four,
she was still dating this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Almost exactly a year ago, with a week to spare
June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she said. When they got
into the fight because this woman, I guess was twenty
five years younger, she called Diddy a pedophile because she
was angry. Through a candle, she pushed his head on
a marble countertop. So she admits that she started the physical.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh, this was They spent a lot of time talking
about this incident on the stand, and it's a unbelievable, horrific.
It sounds like a horror movie night where someone is
literally running from somebody trying to kill.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That they turned into a dateline episode, like actually.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
She did this was absolutely this is nuts. The thing
about now, to your point, she said, she unloaded on
him she got the worst of it, but she admitted
to being violent, which included, like you said, set him
off by calling him that name. She says, all this
been pent up anger of hers came out. She's throwing candles.
There's wax all over the place. But yes, at one point,
(14:44):
he was kind of leaning on a marble countertop, and
she took his head and pushed it and slammed it
down on that marble countertop. She admitted to all this. Yep,
but this sounded like full on fisticuffs between two grown,
equal sized folks, not a man woman fighting like this.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, Because as she's telling him, I hate you, I
hate you, I hate you, she said, she was repeatedly
saying that to him. She ran to the master bedroom
and hid in a closet. He broke down the doors
of the bedroom. She tried to run out of the bedroom.
She said he kicked her in the back of the leg.
She fell, and then he said he put her in
a chokehold. She punched. He punched her back. She had bruises.
(15:21):
She said she had a black eye. She said, he
started punching my head. He started kicking me. He started
saying all types of things, and she said, he told
her to Well, this is when she ran out of
the house, right, So.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
This fight is going on. She goes to a closet,
gets away from him. Eventually, like you described, she says,
she got out of the choke hold. She gets runs outside.
This is where she lives now, and she's hiding somewhere.
She's hiding outside for two hours, she said, two hours,
hoping he would leave, assuming he would be gone when
she got back. But she got back, he was still
(16:03):
in there.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
He was still in there, and you know what he
said to her, put some ice on those bruises and
put on an outfit, meaning some lingerie because he had
already called a male escort to show up, and he said,
now you're going to perform for me after that horrific beating?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Was this Anton? I think they even have the male essay.
It was Anton.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It was Anton.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
But she said when she came back, as she was
trying to get cleaned up, he was still assaulting her
while she was in the shower. He was smacking her
while she was in the shower. Now, it's one thing.
Do you hear this story, the fight, How horrific that is.
This is the first time, right, We've heard a story
where it combined two of the horrors until one night
like back to back, allegedly beat somebody and then allegedly
(16:47):
put somebody through a free cough back to back same night.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I and I know with all of those horrible details,
one stood out to me that maybe doesn't seem like
that big of a deeal to you, but as a woman,
I just thought, Oh, that's so painful. She's upset. The
whole thing starts because she's she thinks that he might
be seeing a younger girl on the side while he's
got her pinned down. This is what she testifies to.
He gets that girl, she's in her twenties, on the
(17:15):
phone and starts having the girl hurl insults at Jane, like,
so you're so upset that the guy you love you
think is seeing someone, and now that girl is on
the phone throwing shade on you. Talk about just inflaming
your emotions.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I didn't understand that. I didn't understand why that was Wow, Like,
I don't what are people on? I mean, I suggest
that's extra met Yeah, I didn't understand. Again, the guy
who did that is the same guy who got her
into religion and watched sermons with her on television.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I can't get my head around that when he's.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Supposed to do that. And this is the date here
is very important again, June eighteenth of last year, twenty
twenty four is when this happened. A month earlier, Diddy
had gotten on social media and made an apology video
about the Cassie Ventura Fine surveillance video that had come out.
(18:12):
Promised to be a better person, promised to be a
better man. I'm gonna do the work. I'm gonna do better.
He said that to the world. A month later, he
was beating the hell out of this woman, according to
her testimony.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Wow. And that is when she this was in a
text she sent him. Correct when she said I am
not an animal. Oh yeah, she sent this text. Again.
These are real time texts. So again we were talking
about this in yesterday's episode. How much more effective they
are in the sense that you're not recalling something, you're
not misremembering something or adding something to it that didn't
(18:47):
really happen. This is exactly where she was in that time.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
She writes to Ditty, I don't have the date on
this one because it is important, but just know this
was until you. You made this very good point. This
is better than testimony because this is stuff she wrote
while she had no idea this was going to go public,
no idea that she was going to be called to testify.
There was one you read from her yesterday. I was
really powerful. But if anybody's listening to the sounds of
(19:13):
our voices, now stop for a moment and listen to
this quote that Robot's about to give you, and it
just guts you. Sometimes even worse than hearing some of
the details of a freak off of details of a beat.
This is so that's just this is a tough one
the stomach.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, this is from Jane writing this to Ditty. I'm
not an animal. I'm not a porn star. These experiences
are desensitizing sex for me. My spirit and my soul
is tired. I need a break. I can't be used
like this anymore. I wanted to make you happy, but
it's creating a war inside me.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, yeah, you almost feel your heart crying when
you hear that. No woman was pleading with this man.
Just please te like she's just saying I need a break, right,
didn't want to break up?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh no, she doesn't want to break up a break
She does not want to break up. She wants more
foot rubs and Dateline Friday nights, you know, that's what
she wanted. And candles and champagne maybe, and not ecstasy
and multiple male escorts. That's a very different experience. And
she was even with him as late as August correct
last year in Miami. That's what she testified to and
(20:25):
she said, yes, she once again had sex with another
guy in front of ditty. She said he only wanted
to have sex with her after she had sex with
these men.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Everybody has their kink, everybody has their thing, everybody has
whatever it is they're into. Not here to judge any
of that, but it is different to hear. I mean,
that's just some stuff I don't used to hearing now.
I used to hearing on a day in, day out.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I've never heard anything like this before. And we watch
horror movies, and we watched Dateline, and we watch a
lot of these true crime shows. I haven't heard heard
anything like this before in my life.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
We are going to all that appears, be hearing more
about it for the next couple of days. She's expected again.
You remind me she's the one that's supposed to have
a trip on Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, so they are trying
to get done with her in all this testimony. By
certainly she has to take a flight. Is it really
just are they saying it's a vacation. They say they
(21:22):
haven't said an international flight.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But I know that the defense said I read this
that they believe they had two days of cross examination.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So it's got to be redirect, doesn't I I mean,
how long will that take? A half? It seems like.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Maybe she could move her flight twenty four hours. It's
kind of important, but we'll see what happens. How much
that plays into her availability? And do you have the
option to say you're not available.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Maybe they're just trying to accommodate her, you know, it's
trying to be nice. This is difficult enough. Probably maybe,
and we should notice. Well I didn't think of it
until now. There was an expert that testified on the
mindset the behavior of abuse victims. I can't remember her name.
I think was Hughes. Testified a couple of weeks ago
for the prosecution. But she was up there to kind
of explain how and why a victim might not leave
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their abuser. The prosecution has asked to bring her back.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
They want her to testify again after Jane Judd said no,
that actually makes.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
The judge said no, just said no, Oh wow, I
can see why they would want to.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But they would want to come back and try to
get her to explained Nope, you don't get that option
to do that again. So yeah, I thought that was
to your point. I saw you react on your faith. Yes,
I mean what that's interesting. So they feel like there's
some point they need to make that they're missing after
Jane's testament, we'll just have to remind.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yours of what she testified to in their closing statements. Well,
we want to thank all of you for listening and
we're going to continue to put out these podcasts every
day as long as there is a juicy update, and
my goodness, there have been no shortage of those so far,
So thank you for listening to us on this rainy Tuesday,
but we will be back with more, so stay tuned
(23:06):
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