#169 Bucked Tradition, A Murder Podcast

Nikki and Andrew are doing a nighttime pod and decide to throw out the rundown and review a podcast from the top of the charts called Morbid: A True Crime Podcast. They both listened to episode 295, except Andrew fell asleep during the assignment. Nikki learns why Andrew never wears a belt, ponders how she would be as a murderer and gives a hack to beat a lie detector test, all while summarizing and analyzing the Mary Morris' murders.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nicky Gay Here I am. Hey guys, welcome to Tuesday's show.
It's the Nicky Glazer Podcast. Um, right out of the gate,
this is a special episode. We're recording it on Monday

(00:20):
night because we have a full day of shooting on Tuesday,
and otherwise we were gonna have to get up at
like six am to do it, and that's just not
going to happen. Um, and we would be all groggy
and weird, and this way we're like jazzed. What is
it eight o'clock at night here in Cabo. Yeah, Andrew's here.
Noah is not here. She had jiu jitsu class or

(00:40):
something fun, right, I mean I thought you fired her. Well,
this is just the beginning of the end. Okay, it's
not going anywhere. If you notice anything during the show,
it's it's very you can tell Noah's not here. No
one's steering the ship. No, no, no, we are. There's

(01:01):
an old man. There's just a claw. I don't know
anything about sales ship or steering. Yeah, we're no compass.
We're in the night sky trying to use the Northern
Star and I'm even looking at the Little Dipper. And
also that doesn't tell you much of anything. It just
makes me want ice cream. Do you ever see o'rian's belt?
Those are the ones I can see. I don't wear belts.

(01:25):
You don't know. Wait why I've never seen you wear
a belt? Why not? Guys don't wear belts anymore. It's
not that's not true. I only wear a belt with
if I tuck in a shirt. I never tuck in
a shirt. Why why don't you tuck in a shirt?
Because when do I need to tuck other than golf?
And then I've learned that I don't even have to
tuck on a golf course. There's just morals and morals. Yeah,

(01:48):
there's no morals on a golf course. There's like the idea,
there's it's country club at a K type stuff. It's
weird because you dress as if you dress perfect. You
could talk about how you cheated on your white with
your maid and everyone laughs. But you got your chirt
tucked in, so you're a good guy. Um um. Yeah. So,

(02:12):
so we're doing an episode without Noah just because she
couldn't be at this one. But by god darn it,
she's going to be putting in all the things that
we need, all the sound effects that we're not even
gonna probably use today and no one doesn't even know
we're doing this. We're being bad little podcasts. Yeah, don't
tell anyone, Please don't tell no way. You guys will
listen to it, but don't tell her. She has to listen,
but do not tell her after she's listened to it,

(02:35):
and put this out there because we're doing something bad.
We're going off script. Yeah, we're trying something here that
might burn worse than what we'll talking about future ham
drip um, okay, drip hamm drop ham drop. So that's

(02:59):
a future call back that you'll get later and you'll go, oh,
that really wasn't worth it. How much time spe on that? Um?
So this is what we're doing. We got into a
conversation on the way back from a shoot today about
the charts. You said that we were doing pretty well
in the charts. I said how well, and you were like, well,
I did dig a little bit, but I found us

(03:20):
we charted charting. Thank you so much, you guys for
listening to us and telling your friends about us. And
it's so flattered that people enjoy us. And I'm always
looking on the subreddit podcast to see if people are
talking about us. They never are. But those people are
snobbed and they listen to like very highly curated podcasts,
which ours is more free flowing daily show, and I

(03:41):
think they're more listening to ones that we're going to
cover today, because what are we doing today. We're taking
on the top number one podcast. Oh, I'm taking it on.
We're going after it. Well, we're kind of well, we're
we're just gonna we're actually going to do a podcast
about a podcast, because we were talking about the number

(04:02):
one podcast and you said that the number one podcast
is this podcast called Morbid. Right, it's a murder podcast. Um.
I actually heard about this podcast last week because I
was talking with David Spade, who has a new podcast
out that's doing very well and it was number two
in comedy. But he was like a little annoyed because
he was like, Morbid, this podcast, Morbid was number one,

(04:24):
but is it a comedy It's like a murder podcast.
And I'm like, well, there can be comedy podcast, but
also just know that you're number one in comedy because
you can't. Don't count them number one overall. Yeah, so
they can have overall and like that's great, Like do
you but do you need. It's like when um at
the Emmy's where they do like a musical or comedy
series and it's like, what musical series are there? And

(04:47):
then Mamma Mia wins, Yeah, okay, maybe there are a
musical series. I don't know, there's some kind of category.
I get what you're saying. Um So, anyway, I was like,
what what's Morbid about? Because it's doing pretty darn well.
And I I like murder podcasts. I've listened to Generation Why.

(05:07):
I've listened to Yeah, Cereal was my very very favorite,
the first one. The second one I just couldn't really
get into like most people. Um, but I definitely dabble
in murder podcast if I read about a cool murder
or like something like very interesting on you know the
subreddit podcasts where they're like this episode, check out this episode,

(05:27):
all like, go into that episode of that podcast. But
Generation Why is one that I really liked, and it's
just bare bones. I don't really want comedy mixed in
with my murder. You don't need like a little ginger
with your hot freaking sake or not. And I do
owed a palate cleanser, saying well, I take the palate

(05:49):
cleanser is the me Andy's ad that I have to
sift through after I hear about a woman being brutally raped,
and I mean it goot together alive. The guy went
in under I don't know. I'm just saying like it helps,
it works for you, like a little. But you don't
listen to murder podcast. Well, here's the thing. A lot

(06:10):
of times the ad will be like she was brutally
murdered and her skin was pulled off her body. All right,
Now here's an ad from stamps dot com like it
has nothing to do with it, which is I think
even weirder. I think you gotta connect it kind of like, oh,
like SPF sunscreen should be with someone that got their
body skin. Don't connect because it would not protect you

(06:31):
on fire. Huh, SPF would not protect Maybe I'll protect
you for one second, yeah SPF SI, Now I'll protect
you from a flamethrower. Anyway. Yeah, I just think it's okay.
So what we wanted to do was do we go,
let's listen to this podcast, Let's listen to the latest
episode podcast more, but listen. It's great to consume other podcasts,

(06:54):
especially the Number one podcast, and I decided to give
it a try, so we listened to the same episode.
This is episode number one something like the l Yes,
the latest one, but it was on Saturday, and it's
the Murders of Mary Morris. And yes, I said murders
of the Mary Morris says, because there are two women

(07:15):
named Mary Morris who were murdered. Um, they were murdered
on uh, the day after each other, one after the other,
in uh the Houston, Texas area, about forty minutes or
forty miles from each other. Now I don't know which one.

(07:36):
I'm sure they're they're not both the same. But doesn't
really matter to you how if it was forty minutes
or forty miles, right, it doesn't Who cares? No, I mean,
for it depends on if you're driving kinds. It's always
so you go, Uh, let's go back to the year
two thousand. We're talking pre nine eleven. Towers haven't fallen yet.
I always date things. When I see a date around

(07:59):
that time, go, oh my god. Either we were just
affected by it, or it hadn't happened yet, Like a
murder in Houston is getting affected by whether the towers
fall or not. Yes, there's just a different vibe in
the air. After night eleven, people were a little bit
more anxious. That's when we started to turn against each other.
Things started. Um, I just I do I think. I

(08:20):
think things were weird. There was anxiety going on right
after and right before you was taken people to the
gate to say goodbye, just like on your shoulder and
to make sure you weren't the guy that murder the
women wasn't ancients at all, because it was pre n eleven.
This guy was normal. Must have taken a lot for

(08:41):
this to happen. And you think what I think about
the towers is that pretty much? Yeah, I think cell
phone towers because around two thousand one, that's when like
cell phones became ubiquitous, and that's a big thing in
solving crimes. Is like if their cell phones, that's a
big word. It really, it is a big word. And
I'm proud I used it in a correct Can I

(09:04):
ask you to get your cell phone your first cell phone.
I didn't believe in cell phone. I didn't believe an email.
I am quoted as saying not believe it. Quoted in
college sophomore year. In college in the year, I am
quoted as saying I don't believe an email. I don't
see it being a thing, And boy, was I right

(09:25):
for my email? You get way more emails. I mean,
you also weren't using Amazon until COVID. You really stay
away from things that are going to keep you from
connecting with your fellow man. But we're actually going to
the post office to send letters. Were you, finn I
feel like someone he would ever find a stamp. You
wouldn't have even known how to go about that, so

(09:45):
you weren't corresponding with anyone. I might have bought nine
stamps in my life. When did you finally go okay,
I gotta get an email address? I guess when you
start doing comedy, and they were like with real estate,
I remember getting a Gmail when I started real estate.
I had. I had a hot mail account in college,
just you know, because that's how a professors started to
get in touch with you. I didn't believe in an email.

(10:06):
I didn't want to cell phone. I didn't believe in
cell phones. And then I really didn't believe him when
I got one, and then I called my girlfriend and
I would talk to her on the phone for about it.
You know, like a thousand minutes over. I would just
hear a breathe. I was like, do you want to
just sleep together on the phone throughout the night. And
then my dad called me the next day. He's like, really,
fucking your eight hundred dollars above. Actually he didn't call me.

(10:29):
I just realized that. Yeah, but he was paying the bills. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I would have to call and be like, hey,
you know, I fell asleep listening to this person who
hates me breathe, listening to her grinding. Yeah, I she
was sucking the quarterback. Speaking of which one quarterbacks quarterback.

(10:49):
Let's start it out there. We'll see what happens. Then.
I know. I'm I'm I'm a taking woman. I have
no interest for me. For you, Jimmy Garoppolo, if you're
out there and you want to do three? My god,
why aren't more people talking about that guy? They are? Man,
are you sure? What? Really? He's one of the most

(11:09):
perfect looking people I've ever seen my life, like movie stars,
and he's not even in movies. You know, He's like
if Joe Namath had a nose job. I don't know.
I know the name Joe Namath. I know Joe's name
is but I don't. I couldn't face. Didn't he have
blonde hair? Jeth No, Joe Namath had like long, like
wavy hair, and he wore like big feather coats and

(11:30):
he played for the Jets and he won the Super
Bowl and he's from Alabama and he told that and
he was just a sex symbol, like like like Harry
chest Right. I mean, I've heard the name a bunch.
It's one of those guys that I know the name.
I could never pick him out of the line up.
Speaking of lineups, there's not one for these murder cases
because no one knows who the fund did it. But
we have some speculation. Now what happened was in October

(11:52):
two thousand's October twelve and I believe like thirteen or
something two thousand, sorry, the twelfth and sixteen, so I
guess there were a couple of days apart. Um. These
two women named Mary Morris were murdered in outside of Houston. Um,
that is weird. Do you know any Mary Morris? Is?
Because I was thinking of my No, No, I never

(12:15):
knew Mary Morris. I know there's that singer Marion Morrise.
Oh yeah, I've never listened to anything she's done. She's great. Yeah,
she's so little and cute. It made me. I think
it made me jealous, and I go, I don't need this.
I remember, oh yeah, oh they were doing like the
Birds of Country tour. Yeah, it was like it was
the little Affair of Country with her and um two

(12:37):
other country artists. Um so yeah. So no, I've never
been a Mary Morris. So the fact that two of
them die within a few days from each other's it
is wild and um yeah, because I don't know Mary
Morris either, And that's I mean, let's be honest. One
of this woman's name is Mary Lou Morris and the
other is Mary mcguinnis Morris. I think maybe they're just

(12:59):
being like it was, I don't know if it was
their maiden name. Was more like they're trying to make
it both Morris's, but I think they were both Mary Morris's.
So they were murdered. Some would say like right away
they go, this is a hit man who got the
wrong Mary Morris and then had to quickly find the
other one. Did you get to that as this is

(13:20):
the interesting thing is this is Andrew's idea was to
take a murder podcast. Listen to it and then talk
about it on our podcast. While Noah is away, the
mice will listen to a murder podcast and talk about
it and not really have any extra added information that
you couldn't get from listening to morbid Um what what?
What point did you fall asleep in the scheduled listening

(13:40):
of And by the way, you hilarious you fell asleep.
We're supposed to record at eight. I mean it text
from you at seven fifteen that said, do you just
want to do it now? If you fell asleep, why
wouldn't you use the time between seven fifteen and eight o'clock?
Now I'm suspecting you have some foul play. During the
hours of seven fift and eight o'clock you could have
finished the podcast. What were you thinking we were going

(14:03):
to do the thing? I did finish the podcast, but
I missed about twenty minutes of when I was sleeping, right,
But wouldn't then I could have gone back and listen.
I kind of had an understanding of what happened. And
this is what we're gonna do. Okay, We're gonna find
out what Andrew happened and have him tell me about it.
And I'm going to actually do what I've noticed in

(14:24):
this murder podcast that I listened to UM called Morbid,
that I thought, I'm gonna be honest, was going to
have something other than just two people talking about the
bare bones of a murder. Yes, I thought it was
gonna be more. Why did you think it was going
to be more top of the top of the charts. Yeah,
I thought it was gonna be like he thought he

(14:44):
was going to get a serial episode of like really
great orchestration, like you know, Uh, it felt like I
feel like we couldn't easily. I'm not trying to be
a dick, but or whatever. I'm kind of complimenting us,
like if one of us actually decided to learn a
little bit about the story, we could do this kind
of podcast. I'm gonna do my best to do my best,

(15:06):
and honestly, this is just me listening to one podcast
and then half of another one about the same case,
and I'm going to try to make it compelling to
you about this murder when we get back, and to
see if I could do it. Because I give these
girls a lot of credit. They started the podcast in
two thousand and eighteen. They didn't get famous overnight. They're
not top of the charts. It's not something I can
go These girls just came out of nowhere. They earned
this spot. I a scary thing to do. I think

(15:28):
as a two women doing a podcast, it's number one
in the fucking world, and there's fucking freaks out there
that would love to fucking probably murder these you know
what I mean? Like, I don't know, I'd be scared
to do a podcast like this. I became that huge
about murder you think would want to murder? You know

(15:48):
they don't. Murders aren't thinking that way. I don't think how.
I'm sorry, but like, if you're going to murder someone,
why would would wouldn't you just be scared of murdering anyone?
Why would a murderer go, I'm gonna go off to
someone who like murder because he wants to get he
wants to get his own special But who's going to
report on it if he murders the people that are
talking about it us. No, I don't think murder. Murders

(16:10):
do do it to get talked about. But I just
I don't know. I wonder hope, yeah, of course, But
I will say that listening to these girls talk about
murder and this is why I don't listen to murder podcast.
It may be fucking scared and I'm alone here. I
had my fucking little porch uh verandah open because it
goes out into nothing, and I closed it after listening

(16:32):
for fifteen minutes. Even though these girls both have delightful, little,
cheery voices and there's nothing really that gruesome about these murders,
I just started getting I started getting the limits. No,
I mean, not not that viscerally compared to other stuff
I've listened to murder, and it seems like but that
did this aren't going to yeah, compared to the searches

(16:54):
I'm doing over there, So let's come back. I'm going
to try to give you an actual good murder podcast
based on what I heard from Morbid. And I'm also
going to give commentary along the way that I would
offer as a comedian, and I might do an impression
of the girls podcast a little bit. I'd like to
hear that. Because I have the yeah enough set, We'll

(17:17):
be back with more Nicky Glazer. The Nicki Glazer podcast
covers the Morbid episode about the Mary Morris Morbid murders,
and we're back, all right, it's October two thousand two.

(17:42):
You thought I was gonna say it on the number.
I was waiting for a second, and then I remember
there's no other number coming with that. Now, Andrew, tell
me about Mary Lou Morris. That is the first woman
whose body is found. Okay. I know a lot about
this one because I was October twelve two. Yeah, okay,
So what happened with hers? She woke up early in

(18:02):
the morning. She blew her husband. Maybe they've been married
someone and seventeen years. By the way, all the numbers
that we throw out, unless they're a very pertinent number,
they're gonna be off. Yeah, something's not going to add up.
I like that. You're using words that detectives use. Okay,

(18:26):
So Mary Leu Mors wakes up, She wakes up, She
goes to work a little bit earlier. In her husband.
She turns down the road. Where what are you looking at?
I'm just thinking to myself, Okay, I thought you were
looking at notes or something. No, I'm actually envisioning the
story like the mate like uh like freaking um not
mission impossible. What you're talking about? Yeah, the one in

(18:50):
the future where he's doing the things with the air screen.
Everything's like minority report. Yeah, minority report is on the ground. Yeah,
you're you're using your eyes closed. So yeah, he figured
out murder. And you know most people are just trying
to find a date or swiping through TikTok. But anyway,

(19:10):
so she goes to uh she makes a left instead
of right. That means she's going to get gas at
seven am. Uh what you're saying this like these people,
can I just take you through? No? No, no, no, no,
I'm doing good. I'll do a good job, I promise.
But you just said that she goes right instead of left.
I means she's going to get gas. Why do you
know that? Because her husbands are through the window. Right. No.

(19:31):
He walked her out to her car, kiss her goodbye,
and then he watched her peel off. She peeled, Yeah,
she peeled off in her dodge. And then he goes, yeah,
she popped her collar. What was she driving? Alumina? Chevy Lumina? Okay, um,
Now that is going to lead to a joke later
on for us. Now we're planting the scene for a

(19:53):
little there's gonna be a ham drop later. That is
a future ham drip. It's call back a call forward.
It's a forward shadow, a forward charity of a joke. Yes, okay,
so she peels off in her chefy lumina. Yeah, she
peels off. She goes to get gas. She never gets
to work. She never goes to work. And he knows
that because the office called him and said, hey, no, no, no,

(20:15):
he doesn't know that. He just gets a call at
two o'clock. They do not say it's office. Later and
they find out it's office, but they're calling to see
where Mary is. She never shows up. Apparently was her
supervisor saying, where's is Mary there? And he said, no,
she's at work, and then the person just hung up,
which is a good way to cover if you already office,
if you killed her, and then you're like, oh, where's she?
She never showed up. But that's weird. So people see

(20:38):
am that day. People see a fire going off about
ten am, right about ten am, and apparently there's a
lot of fires in this town outside Houston. Maybe a
lot of cops get the call and they go, yeah,
we don't really care, we're not really going to check
in on it. But then when the guy gets a
call and his wife isn't there, they get a phone
called the cops, and now they start thinking, wait, what's

(20:59):
going on with this fire thing? At seven o'clock, somebody
will still go, oh yeah, someone else calls about a fire.
Someone else calls and they realize that she's not she's
on in the driver she's in a passenger seat up
in the front, and the car's on fire or was
on fire. She's burnt, she's illuminated or was ill she
was Chevy illuminated, Ham drip ham drop back to and

(21:22):
then she she's dead. This car has been burning for
seven hours. Seven hours I guess found at five o'clock
and it was reported at ten o'clock, so it's burning
for seven hours. If I'm doing that does add up?
Not a reason why this adding up. It is added up.
And the reason why it's adding up is we didn't
talk about this. That her funeral. What's happening? And uh,

(21:43):
someone called about a funeral, and then there was someone
else's funeral, another Mary funeral. God, you guys, I'm so sorry.
That was weird what I just said there. It was.
If you're confused, believe me, so was the girl that
called the funeral home. We're trying to get you in
the same state as the daughter who called the funeral
home yes about her mom, Mary Lou, who had died

(22:04):
in the burnt car. She called the funeral home after
her funeral and said, Hey, I would like to get
my mom's personal belongings that were I guess I'm guessing
the burnt jewelry that was on her and they said,
we'll do that after the funeral, will give those to you,
and she's like, what we buried her yesterday, what are
you talking about? And then that's when they realized there

(22:25):
were two Mary Morris's murdered. Mary McGinnis, Mary McGuinness. Now
here's the here's the thing. So then the guy killed her.
They don't find anything took was her wedding ring, yeah
I remember that, and her purse. But the purse could
have been burnt up because this burnt car was burning
for seven hours, or it could have been a really
cheap ring. Could have been a really cheap ring or

(22:47):
what they used to burn the car. What did they
also say about this woman before she died, That she
was a great person, No one had one bad thing
to say. One person they could find. They searched the
whole town and they said, is someone going to give
us something at about this woman. No one did. Who
was gonna say anything bad about a murdered woman after
she's been murdered. No one's going to see a woman
chart alive and go hey, man, she owed me. No

(23:10):
one's going to do that except her husband who filed
up life insurance policy. No, that wasn't her husband, that
was the other husband. Okay, I don't know about this
because that is where I fell asleep. I didn't fall
asleep yet, so now we cannot. I'm about I just
want to make a comment the husband coming out and
walking her to the road and kissing her goodbye, and
then watching her car go off, and well, she was

(23:32):
going to work, she would have turned right, but I
guess she's going to get gas. And is he in
a Steve Martin romc Like, is this father of the
bride for who watches someone's car go off and just
kind of gazes at it as it drives off in
the morning, all the way to the end of the road. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like, it's a weird thing
to take note of. And we used to have that

(23:53):
joke where you would put me in a cab if
I was going to the airport. I'd be like watching
walking the dogs, and you go, take care of her,
man take it, and I go Andrew stop it. I go,
he is not anyone, he's my friend. And you'd be like, dude,
take good care of her. And then you'd like pat
the car to keep batting. It as like that, And
then I had to be alone and go, I he

(24:14):
is not like my husband or anything. He does not
care if I'm going to be taken care of. You
can drive anyway you want, but don't you think of someone.
If I'm a husband and I know my wife is
gonna be murdered that day, I'm gonna go. Well. I
walked her to the car. I took her here like
you have like all these like it's like that husband
has been fully exonerated out of by everything. He has

(24:35):
nothing to do with it. But I just think it's
a little weird. What I think happens is that when
someone dies, you put in these moments of like sweetness
and these tender moments that maybe just make it so
that your last moments together a little bit more special
than they maybe were. But I don't know, if you're

(24:55):
out there, how many times have you watched your significant
other drive off. Maybe through the blinds, you can wait
until they're turned around the corner so you can then
put on porn on the big screen or something, you
know what I mean. That happened to my buddy. He
was in his full suit and she left for work,
and he just he's jerking off through the hole in
his suit. And she came, she goes, you dress up

(25:16):
for that. He's dressed. Wait, so he was going to work,
and then before he went to work, he's like, yeah,
all right, you're going to work, honey by. And she
leaves and he's like, all dressed, he's holding his briefcase
and he leaves, and then he's like, all right, I'm
gonna catch a beat while she's gone real quick. And
she came back and he's full you know, Versaci's suit

(25:37):
fucking illuminating his cock. Do you feel like when now
that you're living with someone is watching porn? Just like, well,
I guess your girlfriend works, yeah, and you so you
spend enough time that she could jerk off. You go,
you go golf, and if she wanted to, she could,
and that if you if she were at work, you could. Yeah.

(26:01):
I usually save my stock. But since well, beautri and
I've been able to uh a couple of days before
I'm good two days. There are times when I'm regularly
hooking up that I miss porn because it's not you
don't have to take care of someone else. It's very
physically untaxing at all, even as a girl who just

(26:22):
lays back and gets it. There's a lot that goes
into like having your body like penetrated and like having
someone beyond you that I love. I mean, it's the best,
but it's very funny to say goodbye to your husband
and you're in full work clothes and then you're just
masturbating through your you know, your ball gown or whatever

(26:43):
you were to work. You know, Yes, I mean that
that would be very very weird. Yes, Mary Morris, so
her husband watches her golf and then she is found charred.
Uh yeah, well, very well done, yeah, Andrew, I mean
her body was to too, But good job on recapping anything.

(27:07):
When I kind of fell asleep doing as you were
listening to this, likeaying in bed with your eyes closed,
like a meditative kind of and then I was like, man,
the wedding ring's gone. And then oh, you know what
the last thing I know, what's the last thing you remember?
What's the last thing you saw that day? I didn't
deterrogate you about what happened to this woman. We should
to a podcast called sleepy man listens to a murder podcast,

(27:30):
and then we try to piece together. You try to
make him the murderer, and then he this case, but
he doesn't get to the end of it, and you
have to solve it based on the things he remembers.
He gives you a promo for bowling branch sheets. Isn't
like word like? You kind of give me a little
hints and I have told figure out the end. Okay.
The last thing I remember, though, is that the husband

(27:50):
said he found the wedding ring. They thought it was stolen.
That's the other woman. So you are asleep and then
I went into the Okay, so now you go. You
the other woman that was murdered was she was a
woman that worked in healthcare. She was formally divorced now
had a new husband of about four years named Mike,

(28:11):
and that was the other woman's husband. I feel free
to keep shouting things that you remember her job, that
they think it was her him. Yeah, Okay, Well, which one.
It was the one I'm about to tell you. So
there was a guy that she This girl worked in

(28:33):
healthcare and she worked with a guy named Ship. What
is his name? I I oh Dwyane Young? Which do
you remember any reference to Dwayne Young? So interesting? Okay, Well,
she Mary McGinnis was working in healthcare. She was married
to a guy for about four years, new marriage. She
had a previous She had a daughter from another marriage

(28:53):
I believe named Katie his stepdaughter. Um, she goes missing. Um,
I forget how she was missing. Okay, so let me
just walk you through this. Um. She I have so
many notes on this woman. She would kill. She was
killed days before and she was discovered on the day

(29:15):
of the other woman's funeral. Um. She was bubbly, She
lived life to the fullest. She was in plays. She
was in local theater. She had relocated her family from
West Virginia to Texas a couple of years prior with Mike.
But she had a lot of stresses in her life.
Unlike the other Mary. Um, she her husband had accused
her No her husband current husband Jay No Mike had

(29:42):
found out she had been cheating on Mike. Um. They
she had been having an affair. Mike found out about it,
he confronted the guy who he thought it was. The
guy and his wife both were like, that's not happening,
and apparently they patched it all up and it was
fine and there was no issues there. Um, but Mary
says things were. Mary's sister said things were not not

(30:02):
that good in her relationship and that Mary was definitely
looking towards going to divorce, even though they had been
through couples counseling and things like that. That they that
Mary was on her way to divorcing this guy. She
also had work stress because she worked in healthcare and
there was this guy at work that was like she
just butted heads with a lot. What was his name, Dwyane?
His name was Dwyane What did I just say? Dwyane Young?

(30:27):
And she actually went to the HR department to complain
about Dwayne because he would just one day, she came
back to her desk and all of her photos were
facing the other way. And then and then he also
wrote a threatening note on her desk, allegedly him, not
sure if it was him, that said, um, like you're

(30:47):
like death becomes you, death becomes her. Death will find sorry.
I was dreaming. So Dwayne at the time, he's also
like active on message boards. I don't know what that

(31:07):
has to a need to do with I thought that
just placed us in the two thousands where people were there.
They were no I mean message boards, that was a
whole other place where people would get on. I don't
know what he talked about those message boards, but he
was active in them. Um. She this got so bad
that she went to the HR department. They decided that
they were going to fire Dwayne. Dwayne claims they never
fired him. He put in his two weeks. There is

(31:28):
no one can tell what's happened. What everyone in Mary's
life says is that Mary complained to the HR department
and then Mike or in that UM. Dwayne the next
day was fired, but Mary was asked not to come
into work because Dwayne. It was because of Mary and
they didn't want Mary there when Dwayne was asked to leave.
But apparently when he was asked to leave, he came
back and was banging on the windows and doors and

(31:48):
asking to speak to Mary. And he claims none of
that happened. He is still active on like different Facebook
groups about her murder and claiming his innocence and saying
that this was all not this did not take place,
and she and and exactly, I'm like, where do these
other people? Why don't we talk to these people? If
I was doing this podcast, I talked to a couple
more people. So then Dwayne saying, no, we like hung

(32:11):
out afterwards. We still had mutual friends. Everything was cool.
This was not an issue. Then there are other Oh
the notes said death to her. I mean, what what
is he going to say? What's this guy gonna say?
You know, well, what if it's true? Okay, I'm just
saying this is if you're an asshole to someone at
work and you're just a little work scamp, you're gonna

(32:32):
when that person gets murdered, everyone's gonna think it's no
matter what, because this guy could have just been an
asshole work. Who doesn't have someone at work that if
they disappeared, you could go it's that person. Like if
you died, who do you think people would think killed you? No? Way,
Yeah they would go No. I think I think, uh,
they probably think you hired someone, but no, I would

(32:54):
never That's the thing. If I ever wanted to murder someone, yeah,
I would never hire someone. You would do it yourself. Yeah,
no way, you couldn't do it. I'm sorry, no offense.
At first of all, I wouldn't do it because I
would just be so scared of That's what I'm saying.
I just it would be wrong, first of all, to
take someone's like, you're not getting rid of this body,
what are you gonna do? If it was in self defense,

(33:15):
I'd have no problem murdering someone. Or if it was
like they hurt my niece or nephew in some way
and it was like just retribution. Dude. I saw this
clip the other nine on Reddit. It was so good.
This guy his son was kidnapped and taken to another state.
And yeah, I saw taken on Reddy. I watched the
whole movie. There's another one coming out anyways. Going so

(33:38):
this guy, this was in like the seventies, and this
was on broadcast TV the way before nine eleven. I think,
I mean again, it doesn't add up. So this guy,
his son was kidnapped and definitely molested all of the
things that happened when kids are kidnapped, and he was

(33:59):
taken over state line and then they caught this guy
and they freed the kid and the kid went home,
and I guess the guy got information about what happened
to his child when the child was kidnapped. And the
guy gets brought back, flown back to the state where
he's going to be tried, where the kid is from
where he originally kidnapped him. And the guy, the father,
goes to the airport incognito and you see him, yes,

(34:23):
and you see him at one of the pay phones.
And this is pre nine eleven, you know that, so
there's no security and you can just hang out at
the airport. He probably was friends with cops in the
area who tipped him off that this guy was being
brought in at this time and his plan was landing
at this time, and he the cameras are, they're covering
the whole thing. And on live TV you see this
guy on a pay phone. Uh, pull pull his gun

(34:47):
out and shoot this guy point blank in the head,
kill him on national TV. And then he goes back
to the pay phone and hangs it up, and then
the cops arrest him and go, why did you do that?
I think he did hardly any time. Well, what does
he have to do with the did did someone listen
to about me being murdered? Me murdering someone, That's what
I would do. No, no, no, no no, no, no no, I
get that. But why did he hang up the phone

(35:08):
like was he working? Was just funny? No, no, it's
just a true fact that he went back to the
pay phone after he shot the kind hung it up,
and then they go, Paul, put your hands against the wall.
Why did you do this? Paul? We're tipping you off
because we thought you were gonna have a sign or something.
This is a great Morbid. This should be an episode.
Maybe it is an episode and we don't. Probably is.
There was a Paul one that I saw, But wait,

(35:30):
so a Paul one Paul something. One of the Morbid
episodes had a name Paul in it. But what was
this guy's named Paul? Are you just his name? He
was a paula we Oh, did you just make up
a name? No? I don't think I said Paul. You
said Paul. We were just letting you know so you

(35:50):
can make a sign. Oh I think I just made
up a name. Yeah? Oh sorry, yeah, okay, Why did
you get Paul from anywhere? Which is one of my
favorite names? By the Here's the problem with this idea
for a podcast, because I think I think you're very
good at the story part of it. I was just
getting off on TANTED because it was an interesting thing,
and I read it on Reddit and we have to
do Reddit dump. You're already jumping ship here. I know

(36:12):
I was on a tanted, but that's the whey the
podcast something. You're jumping ship from me giving you a compliment.
Oh okay, continue, I'm talking about whether or not I
can murder. I think that's pretty interesting and could use
against me someday for sure. But you'll never be on
pay phone no, god, no, do they even exist anymore?
And post eleven, you're not getting near that airport. No,

(36:34):
I'd buy a ticket just to get in the in
the gate area. So how many people died while they
were getting moved? I think I could shoot someone. That's
just such a terror. It's such a loud noise. I
don't even like popping balloons. But so many, so many
people well so many I know, like three died while
they were getting moved from like what like they were
in on it, Like that doesn't happen anymore where they're like,
we're moving back ruby shooting. Yeah, yeah, we're moving guy, Now,

(37:00):
when you stop doing that, because that would because you
wanted to see them. Everyone wants Everyone loved the Purple Walk.
I think it's what they call it. So here's the thing.
You'd be extremely good at doing the research, and but
you don't have the time to do what this girl
does on on the episode. I don't know, maybe you do,
which would be fantastic because I'd love to be the
guy that just chimes in while you're telling me I

(37:22):
think I'm not like, I'm sure these girls do deep
dives on certain things this This would take a couple
hours of reading. But for me, I'm pretty fast with
this stuff, and I feel like if I did a
murder podcast, it would just I'm just gonna leave out
the stuff. You don't even need to fucking note. I'm
just gonna leave you, like the really weird details, and
we're gonna make some jokes. Long I want to do

(37:43):
murder of when an ex girlfriend or an ex wife
murders the husband, and that's our that's our thing. Only
women who are murdering women that murder because that's like,
that makes it, yeah, it makes it sexist in the
other way, and it I kind of drawing attention to
the fact that women get murdered a lot more because
it makes us more on alert. Okay, So so back

(38:07):
to Mary McGinniss. Yeah, we can take a break if
we want. We're gonna go to brain. So Mary McGinnis
h is you know what that means? She's probably she
lived life to the fullest. Now, okay, you know what.
I used to almost have a joke about this in

(38:28):
my act when people say when when someone's died, her smile.
She would just walk into a room and she would
light up the room. And I wanted to do a
joke about every room that I walk into, I just
turn on all the lights for the rest of my life,
so that when people when I do die, they go
When she walked in a room, she lit up the
whole room. Literally. I would go on and turn on

(38:48):
every light, and then my dad going, you know what,
when she would talk in a room, she'd leave every
light on all night long. There's a smokes jack burden somewhere.
There's a nikki. You know, when you leave a light
on in a room, there's a smokestack spewing out garbage
clouds of smoke into the sky because you left this
light on. And then I would shiver in bed all

(39:09):
night and just think the world was ending and it is. So.
Dwayne is the guy she works with who's causing trouble,
who's turned around her pictures, left the note that's a
death to her. We don't know if he left it,
but anyway, he is very like his blood or not
his blood. So Mary gets trained in gunfire. That what
it's uh like? Gee hut, yeah, death to her anyways. Ahead,

(39:34):
maybe he just didn't like the Joaquin Phoenix script movie
that was, you know, floating around at this time. The
movie her. Oh, it was ahead of its time because
that's about falling in love with an Ai and they
didn't really even have self then. But Mary le Guinness
did have a cell phone because she called her friend.
She was at Eckert's. Yes, I know this part, Okay,

(39:56):
tell me about this part. Didn't you remember from your
I thought this was a dreams Okay. So Eckerd's was
a drug store that was similar to Walgreens, Walgreen's bottom.
Actually I know that because Eckerds was everywhere in Florida,
big southern thing, blue and white. I remember. So she
was an Eckerds and she called her friend and said

(40:17):
this guy is acting real strange. Which guy? This guy
in the store following her around? But she didn't say Dwayne.
She didn't say she knew No. She said he looked
like a guy that hung out that she met through Dwayne.
Why are you meeting people through Dwayne? Is he just
a guy that has people come by his office to
like hang out with him? Also, if you've cheated before,

(40:38):
aren't you gonna maybe she was sucking Dwayne. But anyways,
but yeah, so she's at Eckerd. She's at Eckerd's guy's
following around. She called back again, and next time she calls,
so she calls her friend and she goes, listen, I'm
going to go back to the office because i have
to log out of my computer. She was doing going
around all day. She worked in healthcare and she would
go do like visits with people and stuff. So she
had to go go back to the office. She was,

(40:59):
I'm gonna log utim keep computer, and then I'm going
home because I'm scared now. Before this because of the
Duyne incident and who knows what else, she asked her
husband too. She wanted to get a gone and she
went and got trained. So he buys her a gun.
She calls nine on one. She's getting brutally beat to death,
killed and the ruined, the most crunchy parts. No, you

(41:23):
just like you just kind of like throw away the
parts that are like the moment of like scary nine
one one. Twelve minutes after she hangs up the phone
with her friend at Eckert's and she pulls out of there.
She calls and she says, oh, wrong number. What does

(41:49):
she say? Do you remember? She goes, I'd like a
thin crust. She calls nine eleven, calls even post pre
nine eleven, and she said hamder. She goes, um, she's saying,
oh my god, I'm getting attacked. Yeah, And apparently on
the tape you hear her murder. She gets shot by

(42:09):
the gun that her husband got for her, and they
find her car. She is um and the other woman,
by the way, was found in the passenger side seat,
her wedding ring missing, her other jewelry on her, her
purse missing. That was the first Mary. This Mary was
found in her car. It's not burnt. There is one
bullet hole. Her gun is in the passenger seat. The

(42:31):
passenger side door, though, is open and has blood on it,
so anyone who looks at this. When it first made
me think it was a suicide because it's like a
bullet hole to the head, But once you examined the
body and like all the forensics, she was also beat
up before that because she had bruises on herself. She
also had cloth fibers in her mouth, so she was
either like an Andrew Colin and with like chew on

(42:53):
things or she was gagged. And yeah, it's very sad.
And she was murdered with her own gun, and she
kept and her ring got taken, which she kept underneath.
Now the cops say they're not going to release this.
It's it's sent chills through the bloodstream of anyone who's

(43:14):
listened to it. Are you someone who likes to hear
that kind of stuff? I say no. But then like
every now and then a death will come up on
TikTok for no reason, which is really fucked up. It's
like some weird like Russian video of like someone getting
like just murdered, and like I watched you, like, what, like,
what's the worst thing you've seen? What's wild is it's

(43:36):
so fucked up that I probably like protect myself really
by not remembering it or you fall asleep in the
middle of it. Mind you said you don't remember the
most I have. I pretty much know every single disturbing
video that is on the Internet that people talk about

(43:57):
that they saw back in the day when they would
go to watch People Die dot com, when they would
go to ums of death, and they were all these
A lot of those were fake, but a lot were real.
But I pretty much know what happens in all of them.
I've never seen any of them. I would never want
to watch a beheading video. I would never want to
I've never seen any death on on anything. But I

(44:17):
can tell you what happens in all of them because
I've read descriptions about it. And the one that everyone
says is the worst. Audio is a man is everyone,
trigger warning is everything, And please don't look this up,
like really, don't be one of those people that's like,
I actually I want to look at it because I wanna,
because these are really not good for you. Honestly, murder

(44:38):
podcasts are not good for you. I was in a
funky state of mind after listening to this thing. It
does not titilate me. It definitely is morbid, which they
talk about it too. How they talk about it. They're
very wow geez and I write down geez. At one point, oh,
she goes, so um the passenger door or was left open.

(45:01):
Mary had been beaten severely and gagged at some point
and she goes geez. Yeah, there was a lot of that.
There was a lot of it. They didn't really break
down anything. It was weird. They just go whoa. It
was like a oh my god. It was like a
like a video and someone reaction video. They was a
commentary on it. But that's what people want. They want

(45:21):
to have a Wikipedia article read to them in soothing
tones of two people going like no, this is weird.
The sex part like giving a little things like now
you don't normally see this now this made me scratch
my head. But to say geez, wow after you say
someone I mean, is it better that I'm like, oh
she was either andrew and chewed on something and then

(45:42):
it's not better, but it's at least a little bit
more specific. Ouch. She was found with several bullet holes
to the temple. Howe whoa jes skin like we just
have like it was a little bit I was it's
it seemed like an SNL sketch of what a girl's

(46:06):
murder podcast would be at times which listen number one
on the charts. They're doing something right now, Um, why
are we talking about it? Why are doing the whole
episode about it? They're winning? So um, this is so so.
This is crazy though, that they find two women named
Mary Morris that were murdered in their cars forty miles

(46:28):
minutes from each other. We don't know which because this
is an official murder podcast. And also both their wedding
rings are missing, which I didn't know this, but they
say in the podcast that when someone's wedding ring is
and sometimes I say wedding wing, yeah, I have to
infanta infantilize it because I'm never going to get one
one day. One day a man is going to get
on his knees and give me a wedding wing. Today

(46:50):
I had the boat cat. We're on a boat filming
some things. In the boat, captain, I had on midi rings.
Do you know what? Do you know what midi rings are?
Nod finger? Yeah? Well no, they're in the middle of
your finger. Most rings are midi rings for me because
they can't go past my big old knuckles. But they're
like in the middle and they can slip off easier
because they're just not fully on. So I gave him
my MIDI rings because I was going to jump in

(47:11):
the water. Should be a bracelet for a normal person
or a cock ring for you? Thank you? Oh wait no,
damn it the other way. Drop take it back. You
can't am drop amp drap. So I gave the guy

(47:33):
my rings and then at the end, I go, can
I get my rings back? And he was like, oh yeah, yeah,
And I go, will you get on one knee to
give them to me? And he was like look, and
I was like, it's just a joke about you. And
he was like, oh, I thought they were earrings, and
it was just a totally missed bit. But I tried
a yeah, I have to he gave me ear rings,

(47:56):
so why so just because of the names, So then
if the names are the same, well what they thought
it was a hit man who got a hit from
Mike the second Mary's husband, because Mike asked actually also
had an insurance There was an insurance policy that he
was going to cash in on, but it wasn't going
to go to him. It was going to go to Katie,
her daughter, and we don't know how much it was for.

(48:16):
But Mike also when the when he reported the murder
the cops wanted to talk to him, he wanted the
lawyer up immediately, which is suspect. But would you murder
up immediately? Let's say if somewhere, would you murder up
to murder? Would um? When I like missing and someone
said they wanted to talk to you, would you say
I would you? You would and you didn't do it?
Would you get a lawyer? Knowing me, I'd probably know

(48:39):
if you did it, you would probably not get a lawyer.
Or would you if I did it? No? If you Okay,
so say I get brutally murdered and you're at the
state that you're my closest of kin at that moment,
would and you didn't do it? Would you lawyer up
before you talked to the cops. The only reason why
is because I remember and a murderer, a guy who's

(49:00):
the kid that was very slow and I know I'm
just a little quicker than him. But I told him
he confessed to the murder, he could go home and
watch the royal rumble. Yeah, I would do the same,
but it would be the Masters or something. The us open. Yeah,
I'd be like, yeah, I'm murdered, Nikki, Can I go on? Can?
It's day four? I mean you should lawyer up because

(49:21):
you don't know what you're doing. But if I was innocent,
I wouldn't think to lawyer up. But that doesn't mean
this guy is guilty. But he did ass lawyer up
immediately before you talk to them, and he refused to
take a lite detector, which also does not mean you're
guilty because those can be willy nilly? Do you know
that how to beat a lot of detector your asshole? Yeah,
and then when you answer a lie, you let it
go because it will counteract the tenseness that you will

(49:42):
have from having that lot. Yeah, it's really weird hook
it up to your asshole? How did you know know?
But wait? That is a wait? What? Wait? Why why
did everyone tell you to do that? I don't know,
I think and I've recently heard if you're getting attacked
by a dog, you put your a finger up the
dog's asshole. Started doing baby boys again when he's saying,

(50:04):
and I hood that if you ever attacked by a
watt waile, you just put your little baby little finger
up the watah was, but and the wa wa was
stopwall in your face if it's biting you. Yes, that
is the thing, like lockdraw. The only way to unlock
a lockdar eyes to horn him up and then start.
Now I'm just kidding, Like it's just funny to think,

(50:24):
like rot Willers will stop killing you if you make
him come, if you just play with their paws a
little bit. Yeah, it gentle, not too hard harder. Um,
So back to the story. So did it? Yeah? Like
everyone kind of well the family on Facebook now apparently

(50:46):
you know, like all these murder podcasts. I also listened
to the generation why w h y version of this
story two before you knocked on the door, And remember
when you knocked on the door, what I said, Dwayne here?
Yes it is? Is that Dwayne Young? Yes? Which is
the name the guy that would when worked with that
They said his name a million times in this podcast.
So when Zander was like, no, it's Andrew, and I
go Dwayne Dwayne Young for work And You're like what

(51:10):
and you go, I go, does not not ring about?
And you go no, And I'm like, then we're gonna
have a good old podcast. It's a major plot point. Look,
I don't know, I just when I hear Dwayne, I
think the rock and sorry, I just I won't ever
think anything bad. Um, here's the thing. Why why weren't
they able to figure it out? So what's the ending?
What's the conclusion here? We know? Well, the things that

(51:34):
I thought were interesting was that the daughter, Katie, gets
the life insurance policy. She won't say how much it's for.
It doesn't really matter. It's probably a couple hundred thousand dollars.
But Katie, people are starting to notice months weeks after
forty years, forty miles after the murder, she has her

(51:55):
mom's wedding ring on and everyone's going wait. That was
a big factor of this case because the case was
like obviously getting a lot of news around the Houston
area because it was too Mary Morris's. Both their wedding
rings were missing, and often when your wedding ring is missing,
that's what a hit man steals to then bring back
to the husband to be like I did it. Now,
if I'm hiring a hit man to kill my wife,

(52:15):
I'm gonna go don't bother with the ring part. I
know that's a whole like part of what you do.
And and he's like no that you know what, that's
like tradition. Man, he has a shirt tucked in. Yeah,
sav for the movie with a belt on. I think
that might have been the first episode. But wait, but
like bring it back, killed my wife and let's not
ever talk again. No, I can't get that. But the

(52:37):
ring was taken from Mary and then wearing it around
town and people go what the fuck? But then he goes, no,
she we actually found it around the house. We thought
it was missing, but she she didn't. She wasn't wearing
it that day, which doesn't really make sense because well,
I want to know if she's someone that would take
off her wedding ring. Why don't we know that, because

(52:57):
there's some women that like, yeah, they'll take it off
the dishes, they'll take it off when they're like, you know,
getting fingered by someone else or fingering someone else, or
maybe she was cheating. So she took the ring of
about to jump off a yacht to film the show. Yeah,
she took the ring off. It's a middie's cor all
the way down. Um. And then so the daughter is

(53:18):
wearing it. I think it's a little weird because she's
the daughter from her first marriage. That's what I was
going to ask. So she's just hanging out with so
Mike and her are just like eating with this ring on.
And then also Jay, Um, remember Jay, Remember when you
screamed his name before we'll tell you what happened with
This is the creepiest part of the whole thing. Jay,

(53:41):
who is the first Mary's husband, the one that was
all burnt up very very savagely and sadly with horse
maneuver by the way, and she enjoyed riding horses. So
it's a little bit like, wait, did this person know
to use the things she loved most against her? That
would be like someone you know, using golf clubs as
kindling to kill you, you know. But it turns out

(54:02):
that horsemenew were actually is really good to generate. Probably
they'd use the woods instead of the irons. Is I
actually made of wood? This is for to choke? Yeah,
that's not bad? Not bad? Um? Do you think Tiger
Woods was like kind of happy that his last name
was He's a fucking tiger Woods. That's like lion irons.

(54:25):
Fucking badass name. Do you wish you do? I wish
I had a different name. A lot of times golf cart. No,
Tommy Barker, are giraffe golf cart? I'm doing a soft

(54:49):
and do you wish you had a different last name?
Are there other Andrew Collins? Like if you got murdered,
what are the odds that you There's very few in
the world. How many people did you ever think about
just adding an s to make life easier for you?
For everyone who tries to say, your name isn't even real.
My grandpa changed it from Cohen. My name is not

(55:12):
even real. Name is Andrew Cohen, and he changed it
to not sound Jewish. He changed it to get a
job in Texas, not Houston. I don't know. Maybe new
suspect is just around Marvin Colin. My grandpa was Cohen.
He changed it to Colin to kill Mary. Okay, now

(55:33):
we're onto something. This is adding up. So he changes
to Colin. Why Why? Because his friend didn't get a
job who had a jewy last name, so he changed
it got the job. Colin. Is not there no Collins
out there. There's a very few. One guy hit me
up just because we had the same name. Is there
Colin Andrews? Have you ever met someone named Colin Andrews?
Has a nice ring? To it though, that's cool. Would

(55:55):
you ever name your son Colin Colin Colin? I think
that's cool, It's pretty nice, would be awesome, Colin Collin
would be Colin Colin is awesome too hard seas. So
you want to name your son Henry? I do? But
wait can we? So my grandpa got the job, never
took the job in Texas, but he kept the name weird.

(56:18):
He just didn't want to sound to Julie apparently. Yeah,
Cohen is such a cool name. I think, Well, there's
Andy Cohen. Yeah, Mark Cohen's. Comedian glazers are there in
the world. Probably not a lot. There are others, though
I've met them. I met one um who was in
Nicole Glazer. Looks like no, no, not at all, and
we had different middle names. But um, there are nicky

(56:40):
Glazers a lot. And I there's definitely a lot of
Andrew Cohen's that probably look a lot like me. Yeah,
I mean Andrew Cohen. I might have done better. And well,
I think have you ever met and Andrew Cohen? And gone, I,
that's my name, Andy Cohen. Oh my god, wait, that's
your name. That's my name. That's why I know it's weird. Wait,

(57:01):
why have you never said that to me before? Because
I didn't want you to freak out? Oh my god,
watch what happens live? WHOA, But we've been in an
elevator with Andy Cohen. Wouldn't you think it's interesting to
be like, my real name is Andy Cohen? He wouldn't care. No,
he actually wouldn't would Actually it's actually a common name. Yeah,
well I would be Andrew Cohen. But here's the thing,

(57:23):
but you went by Andy, and my dad told me
to take my middle name as my life like Andrew Todd. Yeah,
that's what? Are you just thrown in boys first names
for last names. You can't do that. We have two
first names, which is kind of cool. Andrew Coin. Well
do I know? Wait who' it's kind of cool. It's me?
Oh no, one really George Michael. Yeah, someone said that

(57:44):
if you have two first names. So what did Jay do? Jah?
The sweet husband of seventeen years who watched his wife
go to work every morning, he starts getting called. He
gets three calls from a weird number that just asked
for his wife, that says is Mary there? And Mary

(58:05):
has been dead, very high profile death. Everyone knows about
it and their number is not listed in the phone book,
and this is happening I don't know how many months afterwards,
but it's happening a while after the murders, and he's
calls the detectives after the first two calls, and he says,
I'm getting a call asking for Mary, and I think
he says, Mary isn't there, but the detective says, hey,

(58:26):
give him this number to call next time and say
you can reach her here and then it'll be my
line and then we can like look it. But I'm not.
I'm like, why didn't you just tap this phone at
that moment so we could hear the voice like they're
going to call again, And they did call again, So
he gives the number, and in the middle of giving
the number, the guy goes, I got it and then
just hangs up. So who knows what that is? But
that creeps me the funk out. Any kind of call

(58:48):
afterwards just really, yeah, oh well, one time the phone call?
Is that? Why is that the thing that got us?
Because that made me chill a little bit? Isn't that
so creepy that after the fact, after she said someone's
just asking and talked to her some man and they
would call at weird times, like nine am and then
ten pm and then twelve am. High Oh my god,

(59:11):
I just got a chill. I felt like a ghost
just walking. Thank God. I felt that too, and I
was like, what the fun Oh Jesus, Mary, here's the thing, Morris.
If there's a ghost in here and they speak Spanish
and they don't know what we're talking about anyways, but
if it's so funny a ghost speaking different languages and
liked also. Um So at one point they find a

(59:36):
that someone has made calls from a a phone card
that was in Mary's purse, the first Mary whose car
was burned up. That was in her purse a phone card.
I guess people used to use phone cards that admitutes
on it, and someone had used like two thousand minutes
or something, two thousand dollars in minutes. And it was

(59:57):
someone in a town in Texas hours away with Yeah, damn.
So they they traced the calls to a pay phone.
Yeah is it the guy that killed by Oh wait,
they did trace those weird calls to a paper. No
it's not Paul. They did trace those one calls that

(01:00:18):
I just talked about, the creepy Wards and they were
at a um like an apartment complex, and they could
not find who who did it, so they still to
this date don't know. Well, they found that this girl
in Texas, this young girl was using this phone card
that she found in a purse that she found outside
a comedian store. And this is many many miles and
moons at least forty away from the crime scene. Later

(01:00:43):
in a purse. Now they go, where's the purse and
she goes, I gave it to my neighbor. Apparently this
purse was ugly. She didn't want anything to do with it.
She just took the phone card. I'm just weirded out
by a purse that is nothing except a phone card
in it that is just disposed of. So then they
find the purse, the purse, they go to the neighbor
who she give it to. The name gives the person
is like here you go. They bring it back to

(01:01:03):
Katie or to know, to Jay and his daughter and
they go, that's not moms. First, she's never worn that.
So this weird phone card that was hers, that was
tasted to her ended up in a different purse, or
they just don't pay attention to with their mom's Where
could you pick out your mom's purse from childhood? No,
I could, for sure. I love my mom's verses. They

(01:01:24):
smelled like lipstick and cigarettes, and like bubblegum and lottery receipts.
I love the smell. There was Marborough like light cigarettes,
hundreds with red lipstick on them. No, there wouldn't be
red lipstick on them. That'd be after the fact. But
oh yeah, would she wouldn't. She doesn't like mark a

(01:01:46):
ball up before she smokes up. How you know who
I hate the most? Who do you hate the most?
The daughter? No? I think, okay, maybe you could think
of it. We're talking about cigarettes. I like doing this
with you because they think we are our brains are
sometimes they are synked up in such a weird way.
Think about cigarettes and the person you hate the most

(01:02:06):
when it comes to cigarettes. I mean, I don't know
who you would openly talk about hating. No, it's not
it's a it's it's many individuals. It's not an individual.
It's this kind of person that does this, that throws
out their butts out the car window and doesn't suppose
of them in the trash like a good person. I

(01:02:27):
hate the one with the lucky cigarette who fucking flips
it over when they open the pack. They take one
cigarette and they put it upside down. I don't know
that person. Man, we're we're off, dude. Oh I don't
want to know. Oh, so they save one for the
last man. I used to when I smoked parliaments. I
liked the recess filter because I felt like it wasn't

(01:02:47):
directly on my tooth, like yellowing my tooth. I loved those.
Um I wanted to say though, that the phone call
is so creepy. One time, my sister, my cousin j D,
and me were all left alone during the day. I
think my mom was out of town. My dad had
to go to work during the day. My cousin j
D was like thirteen, I was probably eleven. We were
fine to be at home. It's a good neighborhood whatever.

(01:03:09):
My dad would be home and still be light outside.
We were playing Nintendo and then we got a call
and my sister does the classic when she picks up
the phone. Final thought. When my sister picks up the phone,
she does the thing that my parents have trained her
to do and say, if someone asked for us when
we're not there, just say, we're in the shower, right,
so we're home, but we're like, so oh, we were

(01:03:31):
fucking freaked out. It was during the day. So she goes,
he's in the shower, and the guy goes, yeah, oh
was he all naked and soapy? And my sister hangs
up the phone and she goes, Nope. Before she goes,
I mean, I guess because because I mean that line up,

(01:03:52):
I don't know. I forgot, like it really is criminal,
how bad criminal? It was very funny sucks that I added.
I forgot the funny. I guess because it is true.
I think she analyzed it was like yeah, and then
the guy just hung up and she comes downstairs. We're

(01:04:13):
playing like Donkey Kong or like fucking Sonic. What's the
crash Bandicoot on PlayStation? I think it was around by
this point. She comes running downstairs and she's like, you guys,
so when just cold and said it is dad naked soapy,
and we just you know, when it gets into that,
like it's just an echo chamber of crazy of like conspiracies.

(01:04:34):
We're Facebook nineteen in our own little world of like
now the houses surrounded by creeps that are coming to
murder us. We lock ourselves in my parents bathroom. My
cousin j D starts screaming, I have a gun, motherfucker,
like to no one. We start getting razor blades out

(01:04:54):
of my dad's shaving kit to wield against someone who's
not this st the day, three o'clock in the summer,
in the St. Louis suburb summer, like nothing is going
to get us. Then we get so scared we call
the cops, and so they arrived, and the cops are
just like okay, and then my dad is called at
work and he comes on and he's like, what are

(01:05:14):
you doing? Like my cousin JD was probably thirteen, I
was probably eleven, and my sister is probably were the
cops saying anything that you were left alone? I mean,
I think they were a little bit like and my
dad was like, you know, it was not like the
best thing to do, but this was the nineties. He
was like, I've been at home this all time. I

(01:05:38):
just remember my dad just being so disappointed at us
and kind of looking at me like, Nick, you're smarter
than this. And I just kind of got caught up.
I would get caught up in a in a heartbeat
that I remember my just thinking my cousin was so
cool because he was like, motherfucker, we have nives god,
And I was just like, I could fuck you right now.
I mean I didn't say that to my cousin, but
I just remember being whatever horny nous is for your cousin,

(01:06:00):
that's going to protect you. And like, finally step up
my cousin who was kind of a plusy all the
time and like just a little bit nervous about doing
any sport and like swam with his shirt on. Finally
he was like making up that we had got we
got guns. Mother here from outside of Orga. Are they
sopy gun? Oh my god, Oh my god. I mean

(01:06:21):
I thought about that voice for so long and it
was probably some time just like I don't have My
sister probably made it up, dude, so here. So one
time my sister called me in college crying. My sister
is very beautiful person when she called me drunk crying,
and I told this story earlier today in the car.

(01:06:42):
She called me crying in college and I this is
this is a girl that like did not have any
problems with her looks. She was very popular. She never tried,
but she just got attention. Always thought she was a
bottle beautiful, beautiful girl. She called me crying one night.
We were not close in college, but this made us
very close because she called me crying. She said, Dicky,
I was out Tennessee, which is a street. She was like,

(01:07:02):
this car drove baby and my friends and he goes
a shock because it was just like Lauren, fuck you.
And I laughed so hard and she was really upset.
But that, for some reason, that just like really made
me love her so much because I saw a vulnerability
of like, oh, even beautiful people can feel really insecure sometime,

(01:07:24):
and like my sister, who I project so much perfection
on two, felt really sad at that moment. It was weird.
She was in black face, you know, but it's Halloween
and it was it was a different time, different times,
pre post. Yeah, but um, I have a question. Wait shit, Oh,
people don't know, people don't know what happened to who
did this. By the way, no one was ever arrested

(01:07:45):
for this, these murders, they're still on the loose and
we may never know it happened. The connected, they're not connected.
People would have found out Mary, people would have found out.
So I mean there's so much ship now DNA and
everything that like, these people would have been caught if
it happened now, I think, yeah, I think so here's

(01:08:06):
the thing. But they the girls on the podcast, did
you remember the part where it's like and the car
was burned. That's actually a really good way to cover
your tracks. It's like, who doesn't think of our murderers
not burning things? Because I thought that was like the
number one way to get rid of evidence is to
It's hard to burn a body, oh is it? Which
is really weird actually to think that your body is

(01:08:28):
like if you were if you had to murder someone,
if I was going to murder you, if you didn't
murder someone, how would you do it? Wait, Nicky Glazer podcast,
I would Uh. I have them watched a lot of
my stand up and then just then he killed themselves
because I killed so hard. Anyways, Wait the phone call?

(01:08:52):
Can we go back that for a second. No, one,
if you're like a teenager now you don't know what
car fee you'r of hearing a house phone call after
watching a movie like Scream or like where like, yeah,
what's your favorite am? And you have to like it?
Either keeps ringing, which is scary as fuck, or you

(01:09:15):
have to get up in the dark and go pick
up the phone late at night, fucking wild. I sometimes
do get scared, though, when I'm listening to something on
my phone, like that's a little bit scary, or watching
something and all of a sudden, FaceTime or something pops
up and I'll kind of jump, like if or a
text will come through. Can't be the same though, No,

(01:09:37):
there's nothing like jumpy bitch though. Man, I'm easy to scare, No,
but a phone is like, you know, I'm mad, I
have to like, I'm mad. I had to listen to
it murder podcast today for the night and now I
have to sleep alone in this weird section of this hotel. Yeah,
I'll be fine. Yeah, you'll be great, but I'm I'm
melotonin in tonight because no, because but then you'll die easier. No,

(01:10:00):
I'll be asleep for it, just like you were. You'll
you'll I'll sleep. You may think about it. I think
you need I think you're you're getting close to that.
Thank you. Well, now that we're doing murder podcasts and
you think that murderers want to murder podcast, yeah makes sense.
You know who is the one in the number one

(01:10:22):
people want to be murdered, the guy from Americans Must wanted. No,
that's not true. It was. I will tell you what
I'm doing, though I don't understand. Do you whoa cool dude?
I don't. I wonder if girls do this. I will
lock my bedroom door if I'm staying in a room,
if I'm staying at a place, or even in my

(01:10:43):
own apartment. If you ever once tried to open my
bedroom door when we when I had said good night, Andrew,
you wouldn't be able to get I locked my door
because I think that if just having an extra barrier
up is good, anyone who sleeps with her bedroom door open,
you are fucking asking to get murdered. I don't know.
I think it's like when you take a condom out.

(01:11:05):
You take a condom out and like put hot sauces,
and when you go when you go out, like to
a club, and you bring a condom, you're not gonna
get laid. You don't bring a condom, you'll get laid.
It's kind of like if you locked the door, you're
getting killed. If you keep the door open, But no,
you make so much noise. I would at least scream
and be able to alert some people. What if you

(01:11:27):
already locked a killer inside your room? Oh well, then
it's just an easy door open. It's just the difference
between opening the door. You know, I'm saying, the killers
in your closet in your room, and you just locked them.
You locked yourself inside with it. But it's not like
I lock it and I have to go like, well,
I have to like do a bunch of bolts and stuff.
I just opened the door and it locks, you know.
It's like the same as if I just opened it. Yeah,

(01:11:47):
but he's inside there right now. Well, fuck Andrew, what
if there was a guy right here right now listening
to this whole thing, being like it's so ironic. I
was going to murder her later and she's doing a
murder podcast. It will be the last thing that people here.
Like he's in the cabinet right now kind of like
folded up, like god, when are they going to finish
this thing? And then he's just I would just love
a murder to go. It's so ivnic. If there was

(01:12:08):
a loud noise right now, I would ship, I fucking
piss and ship right now. I know, I'm so happy
there isn't thank you God, oh my God, please no no, wait, spirits,
if any if there are any spirits in this room,
make it known right now here. Wait, I got this.

(01:12:29):
They were um uh spirit and spirits have rhyming dictionaries.
Just give him a second translation. All right, man, this
was actually really fun and I think people are really
gonna like, I hope, are you gonna like it? They're
gonna hate it, but I think some people are really
gonna like we tried something new. You gotta take risks.

(01:12:51):
If you didn't like it, that's fine, but a lot
of people listen, this wasn't the best murder to cover.
But I do think that we should do deep dives
on just things that are interesting that I find on
Reddit that I go into a really that I just
want to tell you all about, because even the Casey
Anthony story is insane and people I know so many
facts about it that people don't know that are so
fucking interesting and I love it, like on you heard

(01:13:13):
it here? First I have to tell you, like what's
going on? No dive and now or wait that you
don't dive. You don't do any deep diving. You don't
even do shallow dive on our when I bring up
stories for when you heard it, when you hear it
here first yeah, yeah, And now I want to deep

(01:13:33):
dive yeah oh yeah. I don't know what that'd be.
Into a shallow grave. Yeah, I want to dive into
I mean, all right, is it getting along? Yeah? We
gotta go. Hey, don't be caught there. And Jay