May 11, 2021 • 48 mins
Brian is joined by another member of the accounting trio, the hilarious Oscar Martin AKA Oscar Nuñez. Oscar attempts to build his own soundscape as they talk about the comedy icons that influenced him as a kid, the time he had to duck into the warehouse to cry, and what life would be like if The Office were shot now... and the YouTube videos that could have been.
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I played Oscar Martinez on the Office. Hello. Everyone, Oh
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year June through I truly cannot wait for that to happen. Um,
excuse me one moment it is my turn. Nailed it anyway,
I'm having so much fun here I almost forgot I
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have a job to do. I have to interview today's guest.
Not that he's a forgettable guy. No, In fact, I
would say today's interview it is actually unforgettable. For better
or worse, you decide that. Uh, it is with my
good friend Oscar new Yes, Now where do we get
about Oscar Oscar? Well? First off, Oscar is truly one
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of the funniest people I have ever met. Truly, he
makes me laugh harder than any person on the planet,
which is great, except it's a problem when you're shooting
a television show. Yes, he made things very difficult for
myself and for Angela to keep it together. Back in
the accountants corner, He's like a comedic communion, which is
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to say, he changes shape and tone comedy styles for
whatever fits the exact moment you're in. He is hilarious.
So when we're doing these interviews, right, I was very
well researched, and the day that we're going to interview Oscar,
I ripped up the papers. I just said, this is
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not gonna do us any good today, guys, because what
we're gonna get is what we're gonna get. It's gonna
be funny, but I don't know if we're gonna get
any astute observations unless Mr Nunyez is in the mood,
because he is very difficult to pen down. But I
have to tell you, of all of the interviews I did,
this was most fun. I hope you have fun listening
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to it. But either way, you can sit back now
and listen to me working my hardest to get a
serious answer out of Oscar. Noon. Yes, and now while
you're listening, I'm gonna go place of golf, Bubble and Squeak.
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I love it. Bubble and squeak on bubble and squeaker cookie,
every moment left over from the natty before. How is
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it locked? Hi? Hi, how are you. I'm all right,
good to see you. Hi you guys? Is this is
this worth sit? Yeah? That's where you set you picked
it up really well. So it's a podcast? Rights a podcast? Yeah,
it's a podcast. No video? Do you want to be videoed?
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Sometimes podcasts? Did you put on? You put on makeup?
Just a base? Yeah? Are we on? Because you're speaking
the mic like Ron, we're on. There's no action, there's
no starting. We'll just start like this, like go ahead.
It's like Ken Kopas, like Mark Maron does that. He
just starts saying like that. Yeah that's how. That's how. Yeah,
I'm like Mark Barron, Okay, No, we're just chatting. We're
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just getting to know each other again. What what brings
me here? Yeah? What brings you here? Why did you
come in? No, I'm being serious. What were you doing
before the office started? First of all, you have way
too many notes in front of You've got like reams
of paper like sheets. I'm trying to keep the paper business.
I'm trying to keep paper. And you're taking this seriously,
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and good for you, good for you? Are your parents?
Would you try to take it seriously? I think I would?
Yea to the extent. Look at all this paper. I've
never used as much paper in my life. I know
what's on it. What's here's the thing that you have?
You have four pages? Why? This was? No? No? This
was this was Andy Buckley was like, why he has
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a lot to offer? In what way? He was? You know,
he was the boss of the show, right he was?
He was in charge, which makes him which makes him important?
Was he for the all seasons? He wasn't he came
in later. It stands the reason that I would have
you would need more paper for me, that's the thing.
You would think that, But that's not the case. No,
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there's only four pages. I was drinking a soda and
I forgot to bring it in. Can have one of
your By the way, people, he's got fifteen people working
for him. Here, there's a booth. It's very professional everyone,
it's it's lovely. I really I am taken aback. I'm sorry.
What did you ask four? What? What were you doing?
It was catering and I was babysitting. You were catering
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in babysitting, Yes, people let you look after their children
that at the same time, yes, they did. Guess what
He's alive and he's a grown man now and he's fine.
So there. You baby sat for just one boy. Baby
not baby sat for a couple of families, but one
particular family. Uh. And I'm still friends with all of
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them and they're wonderful. And I baby sat him, like
I swear to God, I think. Yeah, he was little.
He he had other people, but I was the fellow. Yeah,
he had two babysitter women and one guy. And then
we would take turns. And you know, his parents would
would sometimes call me, sometimes call them, but I you know,
baby's had a kid for ten years more or less.
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So you were catering, you were babysitting, but you were
you were working in. Um, you were working. You were
working in Uh, go ahead, go ahead. It's like a play.
And now I'm walking across the hallway and I'm stumbling.
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Oh oh, I fell you guys, I'm doing folly work.
This is really sweet. Yeah. This isn't a fully studio though,
and yet yet. So you were baby but you were
you were trying to be an act. I mean you
were sorry, I shouldn't say that. You well, you were
doing improv too, right, I was trying to be an actor. Poor.
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I know I was. I was an actor. Yes, Were
you an improv Olympic No? I was in the groundlings.
You were groundlings, yes, And I was auditioning stuff. But
but but my day jobs were catering and babysiting. I
had to do other things to support myself. Jobs were
coming in here and there, guest spots, stuff like that. Right. Yeah,
when you got the audition for the Office, had you
watched the British version? Oh? Yes, yes, and loved it.
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I thought it was great, Ricky. Your basis is very funny. Yeah, yeah, seriously,
I thought, we'll do the pilot and that will be it.
We'll do the pilot. I wasn't that excited. I'm like,
we'll mess it up us being America. I'm like, they're
not gonna do it right. They're not going to leave
those long awkward pauses. They're not going to go for
the awkwardness, you know, the long It's just not gonna happen.
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So I was I was happy. I was excited I
got the pilot, but I was like, I'm not going
to quit my day job. Also, at that time, do
you remember I'm sure that people know by now because
we've been off the air since sixty two, so we've
gone over this. When we were all cast, the lead
wasn't cast yet. They were looking at the am. I right,
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bet my buddy Damon Jones, Andy Richter, and who else?
There's a fourth guy that I always forget. But all
these four men are lovely ladies and gentlemen, and Damon's
a personal friend of mine. From the Groundlings, they're all lovely,
and I still thought, oh, hey, that's fine. But then
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Steve was working on something and it fell through and
he became available. And when they said Steve Carrell is
going to be the lead, I thought, wow, this is now,
this is special, this is like something's happening here because
I was such a huge fan of his from anchor
mang and all that. But I really thought I loved
The Daily Show when John Stewart was on, but I
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used to love Steve on The Daily Show. And when
we when he got on the Office, I thought, we've
got a shot at this because I think he's great. Yeah,
and did you you knew Angela before the show? Right?
How did you know Angela? I believe from the Groundlings,
and I didn't know she got the job. I showed
up for work and she was there in her accountant's office,
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and that's like an actor's dream come to him, like
what are you doing here? She's like what are you
doing here? I'm like, oh my god, Angela, We're on
this show. We're on this bloody show. And what did
you think of me? Because then it was just you
and Angela? And then I was like, the new guy.
Weren't you there already? What you there for the pilot? Yeah?
It was. It was clearly you don't have any recollection
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about meeting me. It was Kay Flannery who wasn't there. Yeah,
that's true. I knew you were funny from the commercials.
I knew who you were. You had that the Delhi
commercial out, which was brilliant. Thank you, And I'm like,
that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. Well, look,
I knew you were I'm like, this guy's funny and talented.
But I know how funny Angela is. And I'm like, oh,
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they don't know how funny. They're gonna find out. They
must have known from the audition, but her character doesn't
let her be your character, lets you to be funny
right out of the gate. And Angela and I had
to hold back until the show got up and and
then okay, let's let them be a little crazy. Now.
Do you remember um, Nope, clearly, not really, but shooting
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the pilot do you remember us coming in every day
on the pilot and doing thirty minutes of busy work? Yes?
I do remember that. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, just
to go back a little bit, Ben and Greg were
very protective of the original show and that was really cool.
I remember him talking about, oh no, we're going to
have those there's not going to be a laugh track
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and there's gonna be long, and I was like, whoa that.
Plus Steve, I'm like, okay, here we go. And I
remember people people are like, they're such good actors just
and I'm like, well, you're playing like you're in the office,
you're on your computer, You're you're doing something on the computer,
and you don't want to be bothered by a camera.
That's pretty easy to do. See. That's the thing. People
are like, where does the thing take place? It takes
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place on a satellite, or it's a station on a satellite,
or it's underwater and there's it's the future. It's like, no,
it's just it's a garage taxi. It's a garage with people.
That's it. It's a bar, that's it. It's an office.
What are your self? It doesn't matter. It's paper, it
could be anything. It's the characters. It's not where it
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is a laboratory in space in the future and whatever.
It's just it's character building. Yeah, what did you used
to do when we were supposed to be doing fake work? Gosh,
I don't know. I would doodle? Did I bring a
book in? I pretended to work and I don't know.
It was we used to pass notes. We used to
pass notes back to each other. Angela still has some
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doodles that I did back in the day. It was
very exciting to be there. So everyone has to just
kinda can you hear the card? The microphone picks up everything,
ladies and gentlemen. I was playing with a card and
Brian literally slapped it out of my hand because God forbid,
I see I go the other way. I wanted to hear.
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I want them to hear like clinking of glass and
it's real, we're real people. You're building, yes, but but yeah,
it had to be a boring workplace and as a
matter of fact, like some thing's worked, and I remember
like some like the b roll the camera with scan
and some people knew they were being shot, and some
people would just act normal like nothing was happening, or
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they didn't want to be shotting. Other people would try
to do bits and don't do the bit, don't do
the bit right because it's it's still funny to see
someone just looking over and like rolling their eyes, like,
what do you want from me? I'm kind of do
some work. We were boring before the cameras showed up.
It wasn't a pilot for us. We're office workers. It's
a documentary us. Did you bring anything, you know, like
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they asked us to bring in, like personal items and stuff?
Did you bring anything in like like John had the
picture of he and his best friend. He didn't pay
me enough for that. I was just an extra when
I first got there, bringing something from my own life.
Make me a regular, then we'll talk there. Lucky I
was there, What am I gonna bringing? You know what
I bought? I brought in seriously a picture of me
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and my dog, yeah, boat, and I had it on
the thing. It was there the whole time. It was
there the whole time, so I did have my dog.
She passed away recently. Minister Schnauzer the best. Um Leela
was her name. She's a little black mini Schnauzer and
she was there and one of my pictures on the thing. Yeah,
that's what I bought it. Um. The second episode we
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shot was Diversity Day. Yes, it was fantastic. Fantastics not good,
excellent script from a young seventeen year old. He used
to show up on his skateboard b J Novak. How
much did I hate him? And still do? He was
seen at the time. No, but he was young. I'm
saying that for comedic effect. He's so talented. As my point,
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he's so talented. That was a really good script. It
was so good it has in it for me. One
of my favorite jokes in the entire show. What was
it Michael asking you what he could call you that
was less offensive than Mexican? Was that that episode something
something less offensive? God? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he's
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like Oscar and he was so serious about his like
Oscar and trying to be gentle. Is there something that
I can call you? Oh man? And he would flip
the chair around. When he turned a chair around that
you knew, and everyone just had a hole bite their
tongue so they wouldn't laugh because he would. That would
make him extra serious. So was it offensive for you
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as a Cuban to have to play in Mexican? What
kind of question is that he's giggling everyone? Oh, look
at me with a funny questions. Look at me. Let
me try to trip him up. What if I said yes?
What if I'm like was deep? No? I mean, like,
why you know? What's wrong with being Cuban? That's my question?
I don't know. I think I think why why was
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Oscar Martinez ma? I don't know why they made him Mexican?
I would have been fine if they would have made
him Cuban. Here's the thing. I think it was because
of that joke. Oh right, I guess he could have
said Cuban. I think he would have been Cuban because
we're in Pennsylvania. If the if the show shot in
l A. There's more Mexicans out here, but on the
East Coast that's where all the Cubans were. But either way,
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the joke is funny. It's it's ridiculous because Michael Scott
got away with so much stuff because he genuinely was
coming from a taste of innocence. That's how a vapid.
He's like, Oscar, is there anything less offensive? And he's like, no,
it's not offensive. And he's like, well, he's still not convinced.
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I'm telling you, I'm I'm telling you, I'm Mexican. I'm
telling you, Well, okay, if you say so, you know,
f you And then and then you would hate him,
hate him, hate him, and then something horrible would happen
to him, and then you'd feel sorry for him. And
then he'd reel you wing and you're like, oh, he's
not such a bad guy. And then he does it
again and again. That was the circle of the show.
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That was the circle of the show. It's a wonderful formula.
Were you at the time aware I'm pouring people Now
everyone's just gonna have to go to the bathrow. Well,
if they have to go, they have to go. We'll
still be here. Put hit your pause button. Can they
pause a podcast? You don't know if you can pause
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a podcast? Yeah, you can write on your phone. People
are into this, driving around in their cars. Whatever. Right,
Please somebody make a note to not ever ever use
that um. Were you aware though at that time, like,
did it feel taboo what we were doing? Did it
feel like we were doing something different talking about racing
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that way. I love edgy stuff. I love not being
condescending to the audience. I like being an intelligent show.
It's like we didn't we didn't have to explain ourselves
to the audience. And I think, I think if it's
genuinely funny, you could pretty much make a joke about anything,
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but it's got to be funny. If it's not funny,
I mean, they'll let they'll let you know. The show
was intelligent. The show was very funny. It came from
the right place. His His character wasn't he wasn't mean,
he wasn't a bully. Everything was organic. He there was
a reason if he was upset, there was a genuine
reason why he was upset. He wasn't picking on you
because he's a terrible person. Something happened and he's like,
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I'm upset, and this is how I'm going to act out.
But there's a reason why he's doing it. Right. Have you?
Have you watched Diversity Day recently? I maybe I've never
actually watched the show per se, but I shot it.
We were there. We shot the show, everyone went home,
and people came back and talked about and that's how
I got my information about the show. I don't like
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to see myself perform. I'm kidding. I watched there's actors
who don't like to see themselves performing. I don't watch
a lot. Do you watch everything you do? No, you're
self indulgent? What I don't? I don't, sus I don't.
I don't watch everything I do. Brian, I watched this
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every Thursday went while we were shooting, and then one
time I went back and Bene watched the whole thing
one time and maybe there were two okay episodes there was.
The rest were good or really good. I was so impressed. See,
I still feel like Diversity Day holds up like it
it holds up, Yeah for sure. Yeah, but they all
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You know, one of the signature episodes of the show,
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and certainly for you, was Gay witch Hunt. How and
when did you find out that Oscar Martinez was actually gay? Okay,
I will ask that, but before I ask answer that question,
I want to talk about the people on the show
as people, not not our actors or whatever. Greg Daniels,
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it is such a cool guy that I needed a
way out of the show so I can go shoot
halfway Home on Comedy Central because when it rains, it
pours ladies and gentlemen, and I was like in a
dilemma and I remember asking Steve Correll. He was walking
across the park A lot and I ran up something like, Steve,
I love this show. I love being on it, meaning
the office. But I have a meeting with not meeting.
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They wanted to do a show with Comedy Central. We're
past the meeting part. Comedy Center wanted to do a show.
What what do I do? What can I? Any? Said? Oscar?
Do everything, don't say no to any work, do everything.
Figuring it out is not your problem. That's up to
your managers and agents. Say yes everything. They'll figure it out.
And I'm like, oh cool, okay. And Greg Daniels figured
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it out. What a lovely man? What what a lovely
human being, Oscar? You get. We'll figure a way to
get you out of the show. Go do your ten
shows or whatever, and then come back and will fold
you back in. So Greg let you leave for how
many episodes? I think a season? Season? It feels like
there's a season where I'm not there. Yeah, you you
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were gone for a long period of time when you
were shooting Halfway House. Would he let you go? I
had to do ten episodes? Yeah? Yeah? So what was
this was his device for allowing you and it was fantastic. Yeah,
I don't know which came first. I think I think
they were going to make me gay anyway, Does that
make sense? I think so. And then they're like, oh,
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let's make him get and get him out this way,
which is a great way to get him out. How
crazy that he's like, I can't work in this hostile
environment because this. But meanwhile he's like, I'm just at
play acting. I'm gonna go with my boyfriend and I'll
be back. You know, it's because people do that to
get out of work. Really, wasn't he wasn't. He's smart, right, Uh,
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here's a fun fact? Is it is gonna be fun?
I don't know. At the time that you were out
at on Gay witch Hunt, your character Oscar Martinez was
the only LGBT person of color to be a regular
on any sitcom at that time. Were you aware of that?
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And why didn't they have a thing for me, like
a parade or an honorary something. I wasn't told or
given anything. You were given nothing. No, that's a big deal.
That's a big deal, is it? Yeah? Why because it's
the first one. I'm like, uh, like Barack Obama not
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to say you're like Barack Obama. I'm not saying your words,
not mine. I was the first GPT guy to be
out to being a serious person of color. Yeah, that
was both, not just one. But how do you feel
about the fact that you were that you're not really
gay or a person of color. I'm a person of color,
I'm a Latino and you are. Brother. I I think
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it was great and whatever helps to cause this is
fine by me. I think it's great. Yeah, well you
wont awards, right, that's how I planned it. No, No,
I don't think I I was nominated for some gay
award and I took my two gay friends with me.
Maybe yes. And I went with my friends Michael and Joel,
who I have known forever, and they were gay, and
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they were rolling their eyes. They're like, you asshole, you're
not even gay. I'm like, look at me and better
than you, guys. You guys, you gotta get on board.
And they're like, oh my god. Joel wasn't act up,
like fighting the fight for real, and he's like, good lord,
what is happening. I'm like, don't be jealous, it's funny.
Did you feel a responsibility did the gay community? Yeah?
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Or the Latino community. They should be lucky to have
me the gay and Latino community. No, I know, But
did you feel out they're lucky stars? Do you feel
a responsibility? Did they feel a responsibility to me? Ask
them turn the tables around? Well, they know, probably not.
Now I didn't, you'd probably be shunned from the LGBT community.
And I disagree. I think no. I think I'd be
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raised up high. The kids would get it. They raised
me up high. I'd be invited to YouTube videos. All
sorts of ship would be happening. Here's the thing. I'd
be invited to YouTube videos the kids. That's what they're
doing now, Brian, that's the best thing that somebody could
offer you. A YouTube video. That's what they're doing. Believe
it or not, they get millions of hits now, listen,
this is the deal. The I didn't. I never thought, oh,
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like the pressure responsibility because I knew that the show
was golden, that we were a responsible show to begin with.
So it's lovingly taking care of all everything. I He
came from a place of he's compassionate, but he's a
bit of an asshole too, because he's a little bit
of a snob. Just like me. That's where they got
it from. You know, for all for the show being
people are like Michael Sony. It's a very gentle, compassionate show.
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It really is. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, it's fine.
Did finding out that you were gay change your character? No?
I couldn't. I couldn't. It couldn't change my character because
I was already gay. But I think that's interesting that
you realized, like, no, I'm just a guy who works
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in an office, and the fact that I'm Latino, or
the fact that I'm homosexual or like those those things
don't define who I am. But but this, this is
happening now. It wasn't happening while we were shooting, but
now because of Netflix, we're getting I'm getting a lot
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of people coming up to being going, I came out
because of you. And then you know this just specifically,
like this where some comic con and this beautiful a
young lady in a in a elfin outfit with blond hair,
just striking, and she comes up and she's like, I
came out because of you, and my girlfriend doesn't watch
(30:59):
a show. I'm gonna bring her back tomorrow to meet you.
And she did. She came back with her just as
beautiful girlth So those things are cool and and that's
because of the show. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, it's trippy. They're like,
because of your show, I came out and you helped
me so much, etcetera, etcetera. Some of them are happy,
some of them are crying. It's it's a crazy thing. Yeah,
(31:20):
the show means so much to so many people. You
know that. It's crazy. Wow, you think you're just doing
a show. I didn't think. I'm just I'm not even
like a like a like a. My character isn't particularly noble.
He's just a regular guy, and they see so much
noble and they're just just seeing you makes it so cool.
I'm like, all right, cool, thank you. Yeah, that's great.
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You mentioned before that you're just like Obama when Obama better?
Can I say that? Is that? Do you know what
I'm saying? Do you remember, uh when Obama was elected? Yes?
Do you feel like there was any discussion on set
or did anything happen around set when Obama was elected?
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It was very traumatic because it was the first time
in my life where the president and first Lady were
younger than I am. And it's gonna happen that hasn't
happened to you. It's shocking, it is awful, and I'm like,
oh my god, I love them so and they're so young.
But do you know the two letters we have it
(32:26):
at the office. Remember you even know what they are, right,
the two letters that came in. There was one letter,
a fan letter, one by catering somewhere backstage, Aaron Sarkin,
and then Steve Carrell came in with a letter sent
to his house and he's like, you guys, don't want
to read you this letter. And it's like, oh, dear Steve,
I just want you to know that. At the White
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I and the girls get together and it was a
letter that the President sent Steve Carrell because the Obama's
are a fan of the show. And he said he
showed it to his children and they were all They're like,
can we touch And He's like, nope, just look, just look.
That's pretty cool. That's very cool. Yeah. On the latest
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were really the straight man. Like you had your idiosyncrasies, yes,
I think so, But in the office you were you
were the barometer of reason very often Jim and myself. Yes,
which is what they're talking about in the coalition of reason. Yeah,
that's it. Are you you know, if you're if you're
(35:25):
looking at sort of the history of comedy in a way,
how does what is it? Oh? Come on, you can
do it, Brian, I believe, And you ask you a question.
The archetype of the straight man sort of in the
history of comedy. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Is that? Is that easier for you to do or
is that harder? Oh? They're both good. It's apples and oranges.
(35:49):
It's lovely. It was a lovely character because he's he's
a straight man, but he still has a little bit
delusions of grandeur, which you need because that you need
that right that well, nobody's perfect or nobody exactly. Yeah,
because Angela was a little off too. She was almost there,
(36:09):
but then she was a little off. Everybody was a
little off, right, Toby, every single even Jim. He was
too much of a prankster. He didn't take the job seriously.
He was a little too right, juvenile. But you you know,
I think so many of the scenes between you and
Steve were so special because you know you had Yeah, yeah,
(36:33):
did you just sit there and stare at him, just
stare at him? Well, and you would do that well,
he said, things would get the laugh because you did that. Yeah,
that's all you had to do, stare at him. And
people at home go, what is he thinking? He can't
say anything, it's his job, he's being good. And now
he's excusing themself. Thank you and just get up and
leave right because he's like Oscar and it's the build up,
(36:57):
the fucking Correll build up. Oscar, can I see from
moments it down? Um? I ask you something, Um, I'm
going to go in for a colonoscope, And I was
what can I do to make it more comfortable for
him or me? And he just trails it off and
just leaves it like it's like it's a solid like
(37:17):
a reasonable question to ask me, and I'm supposed what
am I supposed to tell him? I think I think
I just excused myself. I'm like, okay, Mike, I just
got up and left. You found out that Steve was leaving.
How how did you feel about that when on the show? Oh?
For real? Yeah, for real, it was very sad. It
(37:39):
was very sad. Oh yeah, I was very sad. And
I try and I didn't want to cry because I'm
Cuban and I was you can't, I just we don't.
So everybody was crying very freely, and I did cry
when We're in the warehouse and we gave him a
stupid hockey short or something that I did have to
excuse myself and went back behind the boxes and cry
(38:00):
because freaking and Paul Eberstein started crying, and then I'm like,
oh man, this is just crazy. What did you think
at the time or now the greater loss to the
show losing Steve or Michael what do you mean Michael Scott,
the the character. Yeah, like, like Steve was a great
(38:21):
guy himself and was like our leader. Yes, Steve Carrell.
What was the greater loss to the show losing Steve
Carrell or losing Michael Scott. Are you asking this question
of everyone? I've asked it a couple of times. It's
a tricky question. Yeah, most of them have said that.
I don't don't think I had anyone else not understand
(38:41):
the question. But they're both Well, it's a no win situation,
the questions. And though I can't be I always want
to be a hero at the end of the question.
I always wanted people to say, look at that kid,
look at that Oscar, and just let him continue doing
what he's doing. He's wonderful. And now some people are
gonna say, what you picked the wrong one. All right,
here's the deal. Let's see, losing Steve was difficult. Yeah,
(39:03):
but that character, man, that's the whole show. Man, that's
the whole show. There's no show without Michael Scott without that.
But then there was Yeah, but it wasn't the same.
That character is just so and it's it's it's a
perfect character. You know, Evere Devais did it. And then
there's just that smug he thinks he's better and smarter
(39:24):
and everything. Uh, non apologetic. Yeah, just crazy. Um. After
nine years, were you happy with the resolution of Oscar
running for state Senator. Yeah, I was fine. I think
they put a lot of thought into it. They asked
us for ideas all the time, and I'm like, you
guys are fine. I don't. I have some ideas, but
they're not great. You guys are fine. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
(39:47):
I thought the show ended well. Did you feel like
when the show wrapped up where you did you feel
like it was time? Were you happy with how it
wrapped up? Though? I am. I could not ask for
more from Greg Daniels, and especially he's such a gentleman.
He checked in with us. He doesn't have to do that.
He's like, what do you guys think I'm kind of done,
and we're like, yeah, whatever you want, right, Yeah, Yeah,
(40:08):
he's awesome. Well, it enabled us to tell the full
story to Yeah, and the documentary being seen by the characters,
no one, no, nothing else to do. I get a
big kick. I know people want it back and they
keep asking us and I'm like, you guys, what and
if we go back we might ruin it. What are
we gonna write? What is there left to do? They
(40:28):
love the characters. I get it, I get it. They
love the characters. Well, we've talked about this a lot
that the show. It was the number one scripted show
on NBC. Yet the show now is more popular than
it ever was. Why do you think that is. I
don't know. The kids love it. Before when we started
doing these conferences that we started doing this year, and
(40:50):
people were coming in with eleven year old and they're like, look,
my kid watched the show and I'm like, okay, And
now it's eight. People are like this eight year old
is a fan of the show. I'm like, is that good?
And they're like, yeah, they love it. It's fine. Kids
love it. High school kids love it. College kids love it.
You know, I get it when I was when I
was growing up, For me, it was believe it or not.
The Odd Couple. I thought The Odd Couple was like
(41:12):
so funny, even even before you know, taxi or cheers.
I would have my head would have explored if I
would have ran into Tony Randall walking around you know
the streets of New York City. Is that where you
learned to speak English? The Odd Couple? Um? No, I
think it was The Flying Nun. Actually I did learn
English from TV? Did you? But but what show you
(41:35):
The Flying Nun taught you English? No? My first memories
of TV are a black and white TV show called
sing Along with Mitch. This is Memories of Massachusetts and
the car Bonnet Show. And I thought Harvey Corman was
the funniest thing in the world. I'm like, I want
to do what that guy does. I don't know what
it is he's doing, but I want to do that. Yeah,
(41:58):
Harvey Corman. And then Tony Randall was the other influence.
You are a lot like Harvey Corman. He's the best.
He's so funny. He would come out and I loved
like he would come and I was little, and he
would come out and do this bit where they were
already on stage, like doing a Civil War whatever they
were doing, ken Berry and Calburnett in costume, and then
(42:18):
he would make an entrance. Harvey Korman would make an
entrance and the audience would clap, and instead of going
and joining them, he would pretend like he had no choice,
like he would walk over and break the fourth wall
and bow and like stay there two minutes and carlburnets
on stage waiting and my father would lose ship and
he's like, oh star, he come do what they are
(42:39):
waiting for him? But no, he going, Hey, bowcome on,
sonom I'm bitch. He comes and I'm like, oh, he's
not really mad at him. He gets it, he gets
it that he's that he's breaking the fourth wall. And
I'm like, oh, Harry Carman, he knows what he's doing.
He knows that. He's like, my dad's not mad at
I'm like, all these ships happening. I'm like, this is
fine through your head. Yeah, because that's one of your
(43:00):
favorite bits. Now you've stolen it from Harvey, stole it
from Harvey Corman. Yeah, that's amazing. And you've got a
little impression on my dad. Yeah, I didn't know you
could do that accent. Um. What are you most thankful
for about the show that we that Kevin Riley said
(43:21):
let's get these guys because it changed our lives, you know,
and that wouldn't have happened if we didn't get like
two seasons. Three season pilot doesn't do anything. You still
gotta keep your day job one season, but five season,
six seasons, that makes your career, That makes your life,
you know. So that's what I'm most thankful for. And
people are like, go Ricky, Drs Ricky debis that well?
(43:44):
Thank you Mr Jervis for your imagination, right him and
Steve Merchant. Ladies and gentlemen, you know him most as
the guy in the State Farm commercials Oscar nun Yes,
is there an award from me or something here? Do
you have something? No? I just wanted to make a
(44:04):
state farm joke. That was literally all it was. That
was where my brain went. Some people only know me
from the State Farm commercial. Thank you, truly. I I
think in the world this is true. I'm gonna be
nice for one second in the world. No one makes
(44:26):
me laugh as consistently and as often. Thank you, buddy.
I appreciate that. And knowing that that I'm funnier. Um,
well there's the irony. Well there you have it. Now
(44:54):
you all know what the real Oscar is actually like,
or do you? Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed that.
Thank you so much for listening, and do I thank
Oscar for joining me. It was an experience and one
that I'll remember. We're gonna be back next week with
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take us. Things are getting weird here on the Office
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Not that he's a forgettable guy. No, In fact, I
would say today's interview it is actually unforgettable. For better
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good friend Oscar new Yes, Now where do we get
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(03:58):
of the funniest people I have ever met. Truly, he
makes me laugh harder than any person on the planet,
which is great, except it's a problem when you're shooting
a television show. Yes, he made things very difficult for
myself and for Angela to keep it together. Back in
the accountants corner, He's like a comedic communion, which is
(04:21):
to say, he changes shape and tone comedy styles for
whatever fits the exact moment you're in. He is hilarious.
So when we're doing these interviews, right, I was very
well researched, and the day that we're going to interview Oscar,
I ripped up the papers. I just said, this is
(04:41):
not gonna do us any good today, guys, because what
we're gonna get is what we're gonna get. It's gonna
be funny, but I don't know if we're gonna get
any astute observations unless Mr Nunyez is in the mood,
because he is very difficult to pen down. But I
have to tell you, of all of the interviews I did,
this was most fun. I hope you have fun listening
(05:02):
to it. But either way, you can sit back now
and listen to me working my hardest to get a
serious answer out of Oscar. Noon. Yes, and now while
you're listening, I'm gonna go place of golf, Bubble and Squeak.
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I love it. Bubble and squeak on bubble and squeaker cookie,
every moment left over from the natty before. How is
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it locked? Hi? Hi, how are you. I'm all right,
good to see you. Hi you guys? Is this is
this worth sit? Yeah? That's where you set you picked
it up really well. So it's a podcast? Rights a podcast? Yeah,
it's a podcast. No video? Do you want to be videoed?
(06:13):
Sometimes podcasts? Did you put on? You put on makeup?
Just a base? Yeah? Are we on? Because you're speaking
the mic like Ron, we're on. There's no action, there's
no starting. We'll just start like this, like go ahead.
It's like Ken Kopas, like Mark Maron does that. He
just starts saying like that. Yeah that's how. That's how. Yeah,
I'm like Mark Barron, Okay, No, we're just chatting. We're
(06:36):
just getting to know each other again. What what brings
me here? Yeah? What brings you here? Why did you
come in? No, I'm being serious. What were you doing
before the office started? First of all, you have way
too many notes in front of You've got like reams
of paper like sheets. I'm trying to keep the paper business.
I'm trying to keep paper. And you're taking this seriously,
(06:58):
and good for you, good for you? Are your parents?
Would you try to take it seriously? I think I would?
Yea to the extent. Look at all this paper. I've
never used as much paper in my life. I know
what's on it. What's here's the thing that you have?
You have four pages? Why? This was? No? No? This
was this was Andy Buckley was like, why he has
(07:23):
a lot to offer? In what way? He was? You know,
he was the boss of the show, right he was?
He was in charge, which makes him which makes him important?
Was he for the all seasons? He wasn't he came
in later. It stands the reason that I would have
you would need more paper for me, that's the thing.
You would think that, But that's not the case. No,
(07:44):
there's only four pages. I was drinking a soda and
I forgot to bring it in. Can have one of
your By the way, people, he's got fifteen people working
for him. Here, there's a booth. It's very professional everyone,
it's it's lovely. I really I am taken aback. I'm sorry.
What did you ask four? What? What were you doing?
It was catering and I was babysitting. You were catering
(08:05):
in babysitting, Yes, people let you look after their children
that at the same time, yes, they did. Guess what
He's alive and he's a grown man now and he's fine.
So there. You baby sat for just one boy. Baby
not baby sat for a couple of families, but one
particular family. Uh. And I'm still friends with all of
(08:27):
them and they're wonderful. And I baby sat him, like
I swear to God, I think. Yeah, he was little.
He he had other people, but I was the fellow. Yeah,
he had two babysitter women and one guy. And then
we would take turns. And you know, his parents would
would sometimes call me, sometimes call them, but I you know,
baby's had a kid for ten years more or less.
(08:49):
So you were catering, you were babysitting, but you were
you were working in. Um, you were working. You were
working in Uh, go ahead, go ahead. It's like a play.
And now I'm walking across the hallway and I'm stumbling.
(09:12):
Oh oh, I fell you guys, I'm doing folly work.
This is really sweet. Yeah. This isn't a fully studio though,
and yet yet. So you were baby but you were
you were trying to be an act. I mean you
were sorry, I shouldn't say that. You well, you were
doing improv too, right, I was trying to be an actor. Poor.
(09:34):
I know I was. I was an actor. Yes, Were
you an improv Olympic No? I was in the groundlings.
You were groundlings, yes, And I was auditioning stuff. But
but but my day jobs were catering and babysiting. I
had to do other things to support myself. Jobs were
coming in here and there, guest spots, stuff like that. Right. Yeah,
when you got the audition for the Office, had you
watched the British version? Oh? Yes, yes, and loved it.
(09:58):
I thought it was great, Ricky. Your basis is very funny. Yeah, yeah, seriously,
I thought, we'll do the pilot and that will be it.
We'll do the pilot. I wasn't that excited. I'm like,
we'll mess it up us being America. I'm like, they're
not gonna do it right. They're not going to leave
those long awkward pauses. They're not going to go for
the awkwardness, you know, the long It's just not gonna happen.
(10:20):
So I was I was happy. I was excited I
got the pilot, but I was like, I'm not going
to quit my day job. Also, at that time, do
you remember I'm sure that people know by now because
we've been off the air since sixty two, so we've
gone over this. When we were all cast, the lead
wasn't cast yet. They were looking at the am. I right,
(10:41):
bet my buddy Damon Jones, Andy Richter, and who else?
There's a fourth guy that I always forget. But all
these four men are lovely ladies and gentlemen, and Damon's
a personal friend of mine. From the Groundlings, they're all lovely,
and I still thought, oh, hey, that's fine. But then
(11:02):
Steve was working on something and it fell through and
he became available. And when they said Steve Carrell is
going to be the lead, I thought, wow, this is now,
this is special, this is like something's happening here because
I was such a huge fan of his from anchor
mang and all that. But I really thought I loved
The Daily Show when John Stewart was on, but I
(11:23):
used to love Steve on The Daily Show. And when
we when he got on the Office, I thought, we've
got a shot at this because I think he's great. Yeah,
and did you you knew Angela before the show? Right?
How did you know Angela? I believe from the Groundlings,
and I didn't know she got the job. I showed
up for work and she was there in her accountant's office,
(11:44):
and that's like an actor's dream come to him, like
what are you doing here? She's like what are you
doing here? I'm like, oh my god, Angela, We're on
this show. We're on this bloody show. And what did
you think of me? Because then it was just you
and Angela? And then I was like, the new guy.
Weren't you there already? What you there for the pilot? Yeah?
It was. It was clearly you don't have any recollection
(12:05):
about meeting me. It was Kay Flannery who wasn't there. Yeah,
that's true. I knew you were funny from the commercials.
I knew who you were. You had that the Delhi
commercial out, which was brilliant. Thank you, And I'm like,
that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. Well, look,
I knew you were I'm like, this guy's funny and talented.
But I know how funny Angela is. And I'm like, oh,
(12:25):
they don't know how funny. They're gonna find out. They
must have known from the audition, but her character doesn't
let her be your character, lets you to be funny
right out of the gate. And Angela and I had
to hold back until the show got up and and
then okay, let's let them be a little crazy. Now.
Do you remember um, Nope, clearly, not really, but shooting
(12:45):
the pilot do you remember us coming in every day
on the pilot and doing thirty minutes of busy work? Yes?
I do remember that. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, just
to go back a little bit, Ben and Greg were
very protective of the original show and that was really cool.
I remember him talking about, oh no, we're going to
have those there's not going to be a laugh track
(13:06):
and there's gonna be long, and I was like, whoa that.
Plus Steve, I'm like, okay, here we go. And I
remember people people are like, they're such good actors just
and I'm like, well, you're playing like you're in the office,
you're on your computer, You're you're doing something on the computer,
and you don't want to be bothered by a camera.
That's pretty easy to do. See. That's the thing. People
are like, where does the thing take place? It takes
(13:28):
place on a satellite, or it's a station on a satellite,
or it's underwater and there's it's the future. It's like, no,
it's just it's a garage taxi. It's a garage with people.
That's it. It's a bar, that's it. It's an office.
What are your self? It doesn't matter. It's paper, it
could be anything. It's the characters. It's not where it
(13:50):
is a laboratory in space in the future and whatever.
It's just it's character building. Yeah, what did you used
to do when we were supposed to be doing fake work? Gosh,
I don't know. I would doodle? Did I bring a
book in? I pretended to work and I don't know.
It was we used to pass notes. We used to
pass notes back to each other. Angela still has some
(14:11):
doodles that I did back in the day. It was
very exciting to be there. So everyone has to just
kinda can you hear the card? The microphone picks up everything,
ladies and gentlemen. I was playing with a card and
Brian literally slapped it out of my hand because God forbid,
I see I go the other way. I wanted to hear.
(14:31):
I want them to hear like clinking of glass and
it's real, we're real people. You're building, yes, but but yeah,
it had to be a boring workplace and as a
matter of fact, like some thing's worked, and I remember
like some like the b roll the camera with scan
and some people knew they were being shot, and some
people would just act normal like nothing was happening, or
(14:53):
they didn't want to be shotting. Other people would try
to do bits and don't do the bit, don't do
the bit right because it's it's still funny to see
someone just looking over and like rolling their eyes, like,
what do you want from me? I'm kind of do
some work. We were boring before the cameras showed up.
It wasn't a pilot for us. We're office workers. It's
a documentary us. Did you bring anything, you know, like
(15:18):
they asked us to bring in, like personal items and stuff?
Did you bring anything in like like John had the
picture of he and his best friend. He didn't pay
me enough for that. I was just an extra when
I first got there, bringing something from my own life.
Make me a regular, then we'll talk there. Lucky I
was there, What am I gonna bringing? You know what
I bought? I brought in seriously a picture of me
(15:40):
and my dog, yeah, boat, and I had it on
the thing. It was there the whole time. It was
there the whole time, so I did have my dog.
She passed away recently. Minister Schnauzer the best. Um Leela
was her name. She's a little black mini Schnauzer and
she was there and one of my pictures on the thing. Yeah,
that's what I bought it. Um. The second episode we
(16:01):
shot was Diversity Day. Yes, it was fantastic. Fantastics not good,
excellent script from a young seventeen year old. He used
to show up on his skateboard b J Novak. How
much did I hate him? And still do? He was
seen at the time. No, but he was young. I'm
saying that for comedic effect. He's so talented. As my point,
(16:24):
he's so talented. That was a really good script. It
was so good it has in it for me. One
of my favorite jokes in the entire show. What was
it Michael asking you what he could call you that
was less offensive than Mexican? Was that that episode something
something less offensive? God? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he's
(16:49):
like Oscar and he was so serious about his like
Oscar and trying to be gentle. Is there something that
I can call you? Oh man? And he would flip
the chair around. When he turned a chair around that
you knew, and everyone just had a hole bite their
tongue so they wouldn't laugh because he would. That would
make him extra serious. So was it offensive for you
(17:09):
as a Cuban to have to play in Mexican? What
kind of question is that he's giggling everyone? Oh, look
at me with a funny questions. Look at me. Let
me try to trip him up. What if I said yes?
What if I'm like was deep? No? I mean, like,
why you know? What's wrong with being Cuban? That's my question?
I don't know. I think I think why why was
(17:30):
Oscar Martinez ma? I don't know why they made him Mexican?
I would have been fine if they would have made
him Cuban. Here's the thing. I think it was because
of that joke. Oh right, I guess he could have
said Cuban. I think he would have been Cuban because
we're in Pennsylvania. If the if the show shot in
l A. There's more Mexicans out here, but on the
East Coast that's where all the Cubans were. But either way,
(17:51):
the joke is funny. It's it's ridiculous because Michael Scott
got away with so much stuff because he genuinely was
coming from a taste of innocence. That's how a vapid.
He's like, Oscar, is there anything less offensive? And he's like, no,
it's not offensive. And he's like, well, he's still not convinced.
(18:12):
I'm telling you, I'm I'm telling you, I'm Mexican. I'm
telling you, Well, okay, if you say so, you know,
f you And then and then you would hate him,
hate him, hate him, and then something horrible would happen
to him, and then you'd feel sorry for him. And
then he'd reel you wing and you're like, oh, he's
not such a bad guy. And then he does it
again and again. That was the circle of the show.
(18:34):
That was the circle of the show. It's a wonderful formula.
Were you at the time aware I'm pouring people Now
everyone's just gonna have to go to the bathrow. Well,
if they have to go, they have to go. We'll
still be here. Put hit your pause button. Can they
pause a podcast? You don't know if you can pause
(18:57):
a podcast? Yeah, you can write on your phone. People
are into this, driving around in their cars. Whatever. Right,
Please somebody make a note to not ever ever use
that um. Were you aware though at that time, like,
did it feel taboo what we were doing? Did it
feel like we were doing something different talking about racing
(19:18):
that way. I love edgy stuff. I love not being
condescending to the audience. I like being an intelligent show.
It's like we didn't we didn't have to explain ourselves
to the audience. And I think, I think if it's
genuinely funny, you could pretty much make a joke about anything,
(19:39):
but it's got to be funny. If it's not funny,
I mean, they'll let they'll let you know. The show
was intelligent. The show was very funny. It came from
the right place. His His character wasn't he wasn't mean,
he wasn't a bully. Everything was organic. He there was
a reason if he was upset, there was a genuine
reason why he was upset. He wasn't picking on you
because he's a terrible person. Something happened and he's like,
(20:02):
I'm upset, and this is how I'm going to act out.
But there's a reason why he's doing it. Right. Have you?
Have you watched Diversity Day recently? I maybe I've never
actually watched the show per se, but I shot it.
We were there. We shot the show, everyone went home,
and people came back and talked about and that's how
I got my information about the show. I don't like
(20:23):
to see myself perform. I'm kidding. I watched there's actors
who don't like to see themselves performing. I don't watch
a lot. Do you watch everything you do? No, you're
self indulgent? What I don't? I don't, sus I don't.
I don't watch everything I do. Brian, I watched this
(20:44):
every Thursday went while we were shooting, and then one
time I went back and Bene watched the whole thing
one time and maybe there were two okay episodes there was.
The rest were good or really good. I was so impressed. See,
I still feel like Diversity Day holds up like it
it holds up, Yeah for sure. Yeah, but they all
(21:07):
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think there was two that I'm like, oh what happened there?
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You know, one of the signature episodes of the show,
(24:51):
and certainly for you, was Gay witch Hunt. How and
when did you find out that Oscar Martinez was actually gay? Okay,
I will ask that, but before I ask answer that question,
I want to talk about the people on the show
as people, not not our actors or whatever. Greg Daniels,
(25:11):
it is such a cool guy that I needed a
way out of the show so I can go shoot
halfway Home on Comedy Central because when it rains, it
pours ladies and gentlemen, and I was like in a
dilemma and I remember asking Steve Correll. He was walking
across the park A lot and I ran up something like, Steve,
I love this show. I love being on it, meaning
the office. But I have a meeting with not meeting.
(25:33):
They wanted to do a show with Comedy Central. We're
past the meeting part. Comedy Center wanted to do a show.
What what do I do? What can I? Any? Said? Oscar?
Do everything, don't say no to any work, do everything.
Figuring it out is not your problem. That's up to
your managers and agents. Say yes everything. They'll figure it out.
And I'm like, oh cool, okay. And Greg Daniels figured
(25:53):
it out. What a lovely man? What what a lovely
human being, Oscar? You get. We'll figure a way to
get you out of the show. Go do your ten
shows or whatever, and then come back and will fold
you back in. So Greg let you leave for how
many episodes? I think a season? Season? It feels like
there's a season where I'm not there. Yeah, you you
(26:13):
were gone for a long period of time when you
were shooting Halfway House. Would he let you go? I
had to do ten episodes? Yeah? Yeah? So what was
this was his device for allowing you and it was fantastic. Yeah,
I don't know which came first. I think I think
they were going to make me gay anyway, Does that
make sense? I think so. And then they're like, oh,
(26:34):
let's make him get and get him out this way,
which is a great way to get him out. How
crazy that he's like, I can't work in this hostile
environment because this. But meanwhile he's like, I'm just at
play acting. I'm gonna go with my boyfriend and I'll
be back. You know, it's because people do that to
get out of work. Really, wasn't he wasn't. He's smart, right, Uh,
(26:57):
here's a fun fact? Is it is gonna be fun?
I don't know. At the time that you were out
at on Gay witch Hunt, your character Oscar Martinez was
the only LGBT person of color to be a regular
on any sitcom at that time. Were you aware of that?
(27:18):
And why didn't they have a thing for me, like
a parade or an honorary something. I wasn't told or
given anything. You were given nothing. No, that's a big deal.
That's a big deal, is it? Yeah? Why because it's
the first one. I'm like, uh, like Barack Obama not
(27:39):
to say you're like Barack Obama. I'm not saying your words,
not mine. I was the first GPT guy to be
out to being a serious person of color. Yeah, that
was both, not just one. But how do you feel
about the fact that you were that you're not really
gay or a person of color. I'm a person of color,
I'm a Latino and you are. Brother. I I think
(28:05):
it was great and whatever helps to cause this is
fine by me. I think it's great. Yeah, well you
wont awards, right, that's how I planned it. No, No,
I don't think I I was nominated for some gay
award and I took my two gay friends with me.
Maybe yes. And I went with my friends Michael and Joel,
who I have known forever, and they were gay, and
(28:25):
they were rolling their eyes. They're like, you asshole, you're
not even gay. I'm like, look at me and better
than you, guys. You guys, you gotta get on board.
And they're like, oh my god. Joel wasn't act up,
like fighting the fight for real, and he's like, good lord,
what is happening. I'm like, don't be jealous, it's funny.
Did you feel a responsibility did the gay community? Yeah?
(28:45):
Or the Latino community. They should be lucky to have
me the gay and Latino community. No, I know, But
did you feel out they're lucky stars? Do you feel
a responsibility? Did they feel a responsibility to me? Ask
them turn the tables around? Well, they know, probably not.
Now I didn't, you'd probably be shunned from the LGBT community.
And I disagree. I think no. I think I'd be
(29:07):
raised up high. The kids would get it. They raised
me up high. I'd be invited to YouTube videos. All
sorts of ship would be happening. Here's the thing. I'd
be invited to YouTube videos the kids. That's what they're
doing now, Brian, that's the best thing that somebody could
offer you. A YouTube video. That's what they're doing. Believe
it or not, they get millions of hits now, listen,
this is the deal. The I didn't. I never thought, oh,
(29:32):
like the pressure responsibility because I knew that the show
was golden, that we were a responsible show to begin with.
So it's lovingly taking care of all everything. I He
came from a place of he's compassionate, but he's a
bit of an asshole too, because he's a little bit
of a snob. Just like me. That's where they got
it from. You know, for all for the show being
people are like Michael Sony. It's a very gentle, compassionate show.
(29:56):
It really is. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, it's fine.
Did finding out that you were gay change your character? No?
I couldn't. I couldn't. It couldn't change my character because
I was already gay. But I think that's interesting that
you realized, like, no, I'm just a guy who works
(30:19):
in an office, and the fact that I'm Latino, or
the fact that I'm homosexual or like those those things
don't define who I am. But but this, this is
happening now. It wasn't happening while we were shooting, but
now because of Netflix, we're getting I'm getting a lot
(30:39):
of people coming up to being going, I came out
because of you. And then you know this just specifically,
like this where some comic con and this beautiful a
young lady in a in a elfin outfit with blond hair,
just striking, and she comes up and she's like, I
came out because of you, and my girlfriend doesn't watch
(30:59):
a show. I'm gonna bring her back tomorrow to meet you.
And she did. She came back with her just as
beautiful girlth So those things are cool and and that's
because of the show. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, it's trippy. They're like,
because of your show, I came out and you helped
me so much, etcetera, etcetera. Some of them are happy,
some of them are crying. It's it's a crazy thing. Yeah,
(31:20):
the show means so much to so many people. You
know that. It's crazy. Wow, you think you're just doing
a show. I didn't think. I'm just I'm not even
like a like a like a. My character isn't particularly noble.
He's just a regular guy, and they see so much
noble and they're just just seeing you makes it so cool.
I'm like, all right, cool, thank you. Yeah, that's great.
(31:44):
You mentioned before that you're just like Obama when Obama better?
Can I say that? Is that? Do you know what
I'm saying? Do you remember, uh when Obama was elected? Yes?
Do you feel like there was any discussion on set
or did anything happen around set when Obama was elected?
(32:05):
It was very traumatic because it was the first time
in my life where the president and first Lady were
younger than I am. And it's gonna happen that hasn't
happened to you. It's shocking, it is awful, and I'm like,
oh my god, I love them so and they're so young.
But do you know the two letters we have it
(32:26):
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the two letters that came in. There was one letter,
a fan letter, one by catering somewhere backstage, Aaron Sarkin,
and then Steve Carrell came in with a letter sent
to his house and he's like, you guys, don't want
to read you this letter. And it's like, oh, dear Steve,
I just want you to know that. At the White
(32:47):
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showed it to his children and they were all They're like,
can we touch And He's like, nope, just look, just look.
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(35:03):
were really the straight man. Like you had your idiosyncrasies, yes,
I think so, But in the office you were you
were the barometer of reason very often Jim and myself. Yes,
which is what they're talking about in the coalition of reason. Yeah,
that's it. Are you you know, if you're if you're
(35:25):
looking at sort of the history of comedy in a way,
how does what is it? Oh? Come on, you can
do it, Brian, I believe, And you ask you a question.
The archetype of the straight man sort of in the
history of comedy. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Is that? Is that easier for you to do or
is that harder? Oh? They're both good. It's apples and oranges.
(35:49):
It's lovely. It was a lovely character because he's he's
a straight man, but he still has a little bit
delusions of grandeur, which you need because that you need
that right that well, nobody's perfect or nobody exactly. Yeah,
because Angela was a little off too. She was almost there,
(36:09):
but then she was a little off. Everybody was a
little off, right, Toby, every single even Jim. He was
too much of a prankster. He didn't take the job seriously.
He was a little too right, juvenile. But you you know,
I think so many of the scenes between you and
Steve were so special because you know you had Yeah, yeah,
(36:33):
did you just sit there and stare at him, just
stare at him? Well, and you would do that well,
he said, things would get the laugh because you did that. Yeah,
that's all you had to do, stare at him. And
people at home go, what is he thinking? He can't
say anything, it's his job, he's being good. And now
he's excusing themself. Thank you and just get up and
leave right because he's like Oscar and it's the build up,
(36:57):
the fucking Correll build up. Oscar, can I see from
moments it down? Um? I ask you something, Um, I'm
going to go in for a colonoscope, And I was
what can I do to make it more comfortable for
him or me? And he just trails it off and
just leaves it like it's like it's a solid like
(37:17):
a reasonable question to ask me, and I'm supposed what
am I supposed to tell him? I think I think
I just excused myself. I'm like, okay, Mike, I just
got up and left. You found out that Steve was leaving.
How how did you feel about that when on the show? Oh?
For real? Yeah, for real, it was very sad. It
(37:39):
was very sad. Oh yeah, I was very sad. And
I try and I didn't want to cry because I'm
Cuban and I was you can't, I just we don't.
So everybody was crying very freely, and I did cry
when We're in the warehouse and we gave him a
stupid hockey short or something that I did have to
excuse myself and went back behind the boxes and cry
(38:00):
because freaking and Paul Eberstein started crying, and then I'm like,
oh man, this is just crazy. What did you think
at the time or now the greater loss to the
show losing Steve or Michael what do you mean Michael Scott,
the the character. Yeah, like, like Steve was a great
(38:21):
guy himself and was like our leader. Yes, Steve Carrell.
What was the greater loss to the show losing Steve
Carrell or losing Michael Scott. Are you asking this question
of everyone? I've asked it a couple of times. It's
a tricky question. Yeah, most of them have said that.
I don't don't think I had anyone else not understand
(38:41):
the question. But they're both Well, it's a no win situation,
the questions. And though I can't be I always want
to be a hero at the end of the question.
I always wanted people to say, look at that kid,
look at that Oscar, and just let him continue doing
what he's doing. He's wonderful. And now some people are
gonna say, what you picked the wrong one. All right,
here's the deal. Let's see, losing Steve was difficult. Yeah,
(39:03):
but that character, man, that's the whole show. Man, that's
the whole show. There's no show without Michael Scott without that.
But then there was Yeah, but it wasn't the same.
That character is just so and it's it's it's a
perfect character. You know, Evere Devais did it. And then
there's just that smug he thinks he's better and smarter
(39:24):
and everything. Uh, non apologetic. Yeah, just crazy. Um. After
nine years, were you happy with the resolution of Oscar
running for state Senator. Yeah, I was fine. I think
they put a lot of thought into it. They asked
us for ideas all the time, and I'm like, you
guys are fine. I don't. I have some ideas, but
they're not great. You guys are fine. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
(39:47):
I thought the show ended well. Did you feel like
when the show wrapped up where you did you feel
like it was time? Were you happy with how it
wrapped up? Though? I am. I could not ask for
more from Greg Daniels, and especially he's such a gentleman.
He checked in with us. He doesn't have to do that.
He's like, what do you guys think I'm kind of done,
and we're like, yeah, whatever you want, right, Yeah, Yeah,
(40:08):
he's awesome. Well, it enabled us to tell the full
story to Yeah, and the documentary being seen by the characters,
no one, no, nothing else to do. I get a
big kick. I know people want it back and they
keep asking us and I'm like, you guys, what and
if we go back we might ruin it. What are
we gonna write? What is there left to do? They
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love the characters. I get it, I get it. They
love the characters. Well, we've talked about this a lot
that the show. It was the number one scripted show
on NBC. Yet the show now is more popular than
it ever was. Why do you think that is. I
don't know. The kids love it. Before when we started
doing these conferences that we started doing this year, and
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people were coming in with eleven year old and they're like, look,
my kid watched the show and I'm like, okay, And
now it's eight. People are like this eight year old
is a fan of the show. I'm like, is that good?
And they're like, yeah, they love it. It's fine. Kids
love it. High school kids love it. College kids love it.
You know, I get it when I was when I
was growing up, For me, it was believe it or not.
The Odd Couple. I thought The Odd Couple was like
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so funny, even even before you know, taxi or cheers.
I would have my head would have explored if I
would have ran into Tony Randall walking around you know
the streets of New York City. Is that where you
learned to speak English? The Odd Couple? Um? No, I
think it was The Flying Nun. Actually I did learn
English from TV? Did you? But but what show you
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The Flying Nun taught you English? No? My first memories
of TV are a black and white TV show called
sing Along with Mitch. This is Memories of Massachusetts and
the car Bonnet Show. And I thought Harvey Corman was
the funniest thing in the world. I'm like, I want
to do what that guy does. I don't know what
it is he's doing, but I want to do that. Yeah,
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Harvey Corman. And then Tony Randall was the other influence.
You are a lot like Harvey Corman. He's the best.
He's so funny. He would come out and I loved
like he would come and I was little, and he
would come out and do this bit where they were
already on stage, like doing a Civil War whatever they
were doing, ken Berry and Calburnett in costume, and then
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he would make an entrance. Harvey Korman would make an
entrance and the audience would clap, and instead of going
and joining them, he would pretend like he had no choice,
like he would walk over and break the fourth wall
and bow and like stay there two minutes and carlburnets
on stage waiting and my father would lose ship and
he's like, oh star, he come do what they are
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waiting for him? But no, he going, Hey, bowcome on,
sonom I'm bitch. He comes and I'm like, oh, he's
not really mad at him. He gets it, he gets
it that he's that he's breaking the fourth wall. And
I'm like, oh, Harry Carman, he knows what he's doing.
He knows that. He's like, my dad's not mad at
I'm like, all these ships happening. I'm like, this is
fine through your head. Yeah, because that's one of your
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favorite bits. Now you've stolen it from Harvey, stole it
from Harvey Corman. Yeah, that's amazing. And you've got a
little impression on my dad. Yeah, I didn't know you
could do that accent. Um. What are you most thankful
for about the show that we that Kevin Riley said
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let's get these guys because it changed our lives, you know,
and that wouldn't have happened if we didn't get like
two seasons. Three season pilot doesn't do anything. You still
gotta keep your day job one season, but five season,
six seasons, that makes your career, That makes your life,
you know. So that's what I'm most thankful for. And
people are like, go Ricky, Drs Ricky debis that well?
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Thank you Mr Jervis for your imagination, right him and
Steve Merchant. Ladies and gentlemen, you know him most as
the guy in the State Farm commercials Oscar nun Yes,
is there an award from me or something here? Do
you have something? No? I just wanted to make a
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state farm joke. That was literally all it was. That
was where my brain went. Some people only know me
from the State Farm commercial. Thank you, truly. I I
think in the world this is true. I'm gonna be
nice for one second in the world. No one makes
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me laugh as consistently and as often. Thank you, buddy.
I appreciate that. And knowing that that I'm funnier. Um,
well there's the irony. Well there you have it. Now
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you all know what the real Oscar is actually like,
or do you? Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed that.
Thank you so much for listening, and do I thank
Oscar for joining me. It was an experience and one
that I'll remember. We're gonna be back next week with
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another episode, which I mean, who knows where that's gonna
take us. Things are getting weird here on the Office
Deep Dive. Until then, everybody, have a great week. The
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Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive produced by me
Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. Our senior producer
is Tessa Kramer. Our producer is Adam Massias, our associate
producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is Diego Tapia.
My main man in the booth is Alec Moore. Our
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