February 23, 2021 • 34 mins
He drove her insane as Kevin in the accountant’s corner, but in real life Brian and Angela Kinsey (Angela Martin) are the very best of friends. After reminiscing about the time they both almost got fired for ruining a take, Angela talks about her first love (improv), Sprinkles the cat, and trading in her old Chevy Blazer for a Hummer limo to Scranton.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
My name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Marton.
Hello everybody out there in podcast land, Welcome back to
the Office deep Dive. I am your host Brian Baumgartner. Today,
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as you just heard, you will be listening to my
conversation with Angela Kinsey. Now, let's get something straight. Kevin
made Angela Martin crazy back in the accountants Corner throughout
the entire run of the Office. But I am very
happy to report that Angela Kinsey and I actually became
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very good friends on the set of the Office and
we are still great friends to this day, thankfully. Um,
but we actually met many years before the Office. How Ever,
neither of us remembers it. Okay, So when Angela and
I were in college, Angela went to Baylor, I went
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to s m U. Hail to the Red and the Blue. Um.
We had the same spring break and one year we
both separately went to Acapulco, Mexico. Random, I know, but
at some point during that trip we ended up in
the same cab, like the the same van cab with
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a bunch of other people. And long story short, many
years later, back in our little corner, we figured out
that we met on that night in the cab in Acapulco, Mexico.
Even though, like I said, neither of us have any
memory of it. Um. But luckily for your listening pleasure today,
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we do have a lot of great memories from our
ten years working together on the office. We truly were Angela,
Oscar and I. We were the stars of our own
show over in the accountant's corner. Let me tell you
it was a great show. At least we thought it
was a great show. Anyway, Please welcome my bestie Angela, Kinzie,
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Bubble and squeak. I love it. Bubble and squeak on
Bubble and squeaker, cookie, every moment left over from the
night before. Oh, I mean I tried you were coming.
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How are you? I'm good? How are you? How's your family?
I'm waiting for my Christmas car. Everybody's good. Ago, I
got it. I'm glad. It was so memorable. Hi guys,
Oh my god, I'm so low, so low. I think
that's more about your height. Hey, Jenna was just in
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that chair and had no issues. Well, she's taller than
I am. All right, I do this for a living.
You know what is going on? This is a microphone,
you know, it occurs to me, we have you and
I do this all the time together all the time.
Are we already recording? I think it's gold is going
to happen. We're always paired together to do like press
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and always satellite tours. And because we're good together, Bud, Yes,
we are, we are. How are you good? You look good?
You have like a snazzy sports jacket I'm wearing us.
I dressed up for you. Thank you. I like the
mood lighting. I like what you've done with the room.
Kind of got a sexy vibe. This is my first
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day in this room, like we could be in a
lodge maybe like in Vegas, a Vegas lodge. Well, they
made it, they made it feel like home for me. Um. Well,
I'm happy to be here, Brian. I'm happy that you're here.
It's fun to go back and talk about this. Really fun.
I mean, Jenna and I are having so much fun.
But I I know, we knew it was a great show,
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that we were part of something special. But getting to
watch it again and I'm watching it now with like
no agenda. I hit the mic. You're a professional. I'm
not Agenda is the wrong word, but I'm watching it
now just as an audience, Like I'm not thinking about like,
oh did I get my line right? Or you know,
I'm just watching it as an audience and I'm just
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loving it and I'm just like, ah, man, we got
to do that. Do you remember I'm going to go
out of order here, but do you remember when we
were almost fired? You mean you mean which time? The
time with kin Kopas, at the time when we made
Oscar tell a story really loud under the come one
where we had Oscar. Oscar gets really animated and he
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gets worked up and he's kind of like a very
passionate storyteller. Yes, all right, So to set this up,
show is brand new. We get hired and we're out
in the parking lot and we're we're supporting casts. We
are not a big ticket item on the show. We
are easily replaceable. And Oscar starts telling the story very loudly,
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very loudly, and we were This is when he kind
of blames me. We were sort of standing over in
the sun and I'm like, guys, let's go stand in
the shade, and I scooched us up against the wall
of the building, apparently right under a window where they
were filming, yes, and then Oscar continues the story and
he goes Kinsey almost coping fired because she's like, Oscar
over here, come down loudly under the window and we
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got yelled at. Ken koppas himself leaned out the window
our director and said, hey, guys, could you can you
keep it down? We're trying to film here. We're like, oh,
we're out of here. I have to say what I
learned really quickly that moment is the fight or flight
and all of us Oscar I don't know if he
meant to deer in headlights. He stepped out and looked up.
My ass hugged the wall. I made myself so small
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I touched into a shadow. I don't think Ken saw me.
I think he just saw Oscar. You went flat up
against a dumpster. Who probably I was like, I can
like stepped out and was like okay, and then he
was like, um okay. Two thousand and three, Yes, before
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anything related to the office happened. What were you doing,
oh man? Two thousand and three. I was working at
Improv Olympic Theater and I performed there anytime they give
me stage time, so usually about three nights a week.
I did improv. Um. I was in a show with
Kate Flannery who ended up playing Meredith on the Office,
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and Kate Wall, Laura Kraft. Really hilarious people were on
this show. Rich Fulture was our only guy and the
name of the show was Girl Team Balls, Girl Team
Balls performing three nights a week. No, no, no, That
was one of the shows I was in. It was
like Sunday nights at like ten o'clock, which is like
really when you want to see comedy. And then I
had like a few other improv shows I was doing.
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I was all in it. It was like my life.
I know, Brian's nodding at me like nerd, but so
you're doing improv Olympic and I'm working. I'm working at
the theater and I'm performing there and then auditioning, Yeah,
auditioning like every little thing I could do. I had
a bunch of national commercials. Those were the days where
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you could get a big national commercial and it would
like you would make a nice income, especially like I
just had a tiny, little one bedroom apartment. It's not
like any big checks. Um. I had a Chevy Blazer
that my parents had helped me buy out of college
that Chevy Blazer made it until about oh gosh, around
Booze Cruise. I was driving back from Long Beach and
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I made a left and my right tire made right,
rolled right through the intersection. Oh my god. Um, and
now did you know about the British Office? Of course,
I was a huge fan. You're a huge fan. I
thought it was amazing. But you know, I grew up
with a lot of British television because I grew up overseas,
and um, that was like I grew up on faulty
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towers and good neighbors and all these that kind of
sense of humor really appealed to me. Okay, so you
get called to audition. Well, actually I knew Greg Daniels
at the time. I was related to Greg by marriage.
You guys know that out there right. I've talked about it, um,
And I mean, I just loved Greg. He was so
supportive of my career. He would come to my improv shows.
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I look back on it now, Brian, and I know
you you do too, because you have kids. They probably
had to get a babysitter coming to my show like I.
But when you're in your twenties, you don't think of that.
You're like, I have an Amprov show at Tanna Clack
that Sunday. But now I think about it and I'm like,
what like it takes to get out to get to
someone's whatever it is. So he was always so supportive,
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and he was going to be doing the remake, and
he said, you know, this is when you should come
in for you should this is kind of in your wheelhouse.
And I was like, okay, and I was nervous. I
was nervous about what that looked like in the USA
because I loved the British version and I was like, oh, no,
are they gonna But I knew if anyone could do
it would be Greg because he's he is just brilliant,
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he really is. And so you get the call and
you go, is there anything specifically you remember about the
day you went into audition. You were auditioning not for
Angela and I was auditioning for Pam. I remember it
very very well because before I went in, Greg said, Angela,
that sounds kind of funny saying this. Um He's like,
I am not going to acknowledge you, okay, like we
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don't know each other. He said, trust me on this.
If they just think you're there just like anyone else.
It's going to serve you better. He goes, I know
you can do this. You know you can do it.
I am not going to in any way let them
know that I know you and you don't do the same.
So I was like, Okay, got it, And you don't
mean my poker face is horrible. So you're walking in
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and you're like, Hi stranger, Hi greg Um. But no.
I walked in and there was a room full of
people as a producer session. He was in the back corner,
and Um, I wore a like a pink turtleneck and
my hair sort of half up, half down. And I
had really worked hard on the scene. I felt really
good about it and it was going great. I was
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reading with Phyllis and there's a moment when Michael fake
fires Pam in front of Ryan the Timp, and it's
such a jerk move right, and Pam calls him a jerk.
She starts to cry and she calls him a jerk
because you kind of realized that as crappy as this
job is, she probably needs this job. And when Phyllis
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as Michael fake fires me, I look up and I
called her a jerk, but I guess I was like jerk.
Like everyone started laughing, and I remember in my mind
thinking like I don't think I'm supposed to have laugh
right there. So you got a laugh on the jersey,
I got a laugh on the jerk line. But every
it was like everything was going great. I walked out there,
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Greg really like close to his chest, gave me like
where no one could see, like a big spile of
thumbs up, which you know, I was like on cloud nine,
and I felt great about it. I walked out there.
I was like whoo, and then I didn't get it.
Um and like that was that, and you know, you
go into your next audition. I had an audition for
a pilot for the Oxygen Channel. Do you remember the
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Oxygen Network. I was a big star on I bet
you were, but I bet you crushed it over there.
It was a pilot that was like, um, an improv pilot,
kind of like Curb your Enthusiasm before curb. And they
got these phenomenal improv actors and I had auditioned for
it and got it, and they were flying me to
New York and I thought I was so fancy getting
flown first class to New York. We filmed in the
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village and I was like, Oh, this one's the one
going like this has happened, And I played the slutty receptionist,
perfect perfect um. And then two months went by I
was waiting to hear about that, and I got a
call saying, you know that show the Office, they really
liked you. They just thought you were a little too
feisty for Pam and they were like this this woman
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is like like, she works in accounting, and she's sort
of stuffy. She doesn't really have anything nice to say
about anybody. And then they said, when you come back in,
just really downplay your looks, like, you know, this is
a very drab accountant and a paper company. Instagram, so
I read with Kim Koppas and it was like one
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line and I'll never forget it because he said, um, well, Angela,
you know how he talked, Well, Angela, Yeah, you made
a real meal out of that line. And I was like, wait,
is that good? I don't know do I want to
make it me a lot of that line? But I
felt really good about it. It It was the scene that
you and I ultimately do. And and then I got
a call that I got it and I couldn't believe
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it because it was like this thing that I had
let go. I was like, that's great. And then I
remember thinking like, well, what about Salon Royale. The pilot
I did for Oxygen It was called Salt Royal Clan Royal,
and um, it didn't go. Salon Royale did not go.
So I went from the slotty receptionist to the prickly accountant.
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What now? What would have if Salon Royale had gone?
I think I would you would not have been on
the office. No, And I would have been a lead.
I would have I would have thought, who I'm like
one of the leads of Salon Royale. Yeah, I know,
Well it all worked out. Oh my goodness. So you
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did you know anybody else that had been cast? You
had worked with some people? Yes, I knew Oscar Nuniez.
We had done a sketch comedy show called Hot Towel.
Sketch comedy shows. I'll have weird names because because you're
in your twenties and you think you're HILARI yes, hot
the hot towel they hand you like on a plane.
We were like this, let's be hot towel. Well, I
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don't know because they had flown you first class that
experience and you were like, oh, let's call it hot towel.
Oh it actually wasn't. That would be perfect, but it
actually wasn't my idea. Um, so I knew Oscar and
then um, Kate Flannery and I had done improv together,
Dave Keckner. I knew all the improv circles you know.
Um do you remember having any reaction with Ben Silverman
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or Koppus Coappus. I loved, like right away, he was
just amazing, And I'll never forget our scene when we
did the pilot. It was the last shot of the
day and we had had a long day and I
could tell Ken was done. He wanted to go home,
and he has this two line scene and accounting he
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sends everyone home but us. We're over there in the corner.
You and I have been waiting all day for this moment.
And I said my line, you said yours and he goes, okay, Um,
why do you First of all, Ken doesn't say action,
you know, he goes go in and then you do
your scene and he's like, you know what, why don't
you do it again? But like give it half of that,
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like give it half of that. So I say my
line was like, well, if someone's gonna be fired, I, yeah,
it's probably gonna be me. And he was like, YEA,
give it half of that. And I'm like, do I
sound like some vaudeville commy? Am? I like, if someone's
going to be fired, I don't probably maybe, Like I
was like, give it half of that. So I was like,
someone's gonna be fired, It'll probably be me. And he
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was like and one more less. I'm like what? And
then and then I remember you and I so I did.
I said it. I just like gave it nothing right.
And then he was like, I think we got it.
And then he left and I turned you and I
was like, are we going to be fired? And You're like,
I think we just I think we're fired. I think
we suck. Oh my gosh. What do you remember that
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was different about shooting the pilot for the Office than
anything else you'd worked on before. Is there anything different
that you remember? Well? Sure, I mean there were a
few things. First of all, like the tone, like just
the fact that can like made us get there early
and do work. We were to go to our desks
and do work like we were filing papers or typing
something and sit in silence, take a call if you
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want to take a call. It was very method kind
of go there and work on your desk and he
just rolled b roll camera. And then also like we
had no marks, like the sort of um the idea
that you were on a TV show. It didn't feel
like that. It didn't feel like any other set I'd
been on. It almost was like I was on a
reality TV show and I had been miked untild to
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go work in an office somewhere. Like the feeling of
the crew, all of that was just like it wasn't there.
There were only like the crew felt very small, like
Skeleton Crew and all the other shows you're on. It
feels like a production, right, that's very interesting. The idea
that we didn't have marks, right then, In normal television
shows they mark where you're supposed to stand so the
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camera can capture you perfectly in your scene and focus
walking up delivering your lines, and we didn't have that.
This was a documentary, so the camera was expected to
find you wherever you happen to land. Yeah, they would
say walk up to reception and you're going to deliver
your lines at reception and you know, Angela you're going
to stand over by the copier and Brian you're going
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to stand over by the coat rack. But they didn't
within three ft of that area. We could roam around
and do whatever we wanted. Right. Also, there was no
there was no missing wall, right we were in and
in fact the pilot we shot in an actual office space, right,
and so the walls were not moving. Bowl. They had
to truly work in the space they were in, which
I thought was great because it is a documentary. They
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can't fudge that. They have to. Like if the walls
there on other TV shows, they'd be like, well, fly
out the wall, move the wall, it's messing up my shot.
But this you had to work around it. And I
think like the camera finding you and if it was
blurry or a little bit, if they missed you and
then had to find you, all of that was gold
for this type of show because they didn't want it
to feel like a polish, polished network television show. Yeah,
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how do you feel like choosing Scranton to set the
space and what do you think that did for us? Well?
I think it grounded it and made it like any town. Right,
it could be anywhere, so these things can happen anywhere
to anyone or just a normal town. I really liked that.
I also think that a lot of the shows skewed
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towards big cities, and um, I like seeing the smaller towns. Yeah,
I think that also. I mean, you're right, but I
think also Greg taking it a step further and saying
we're going to create in any town by being as
absolutely true and specific as we can to this town,
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right and it. It is one of the things that
doesn't make me sad. If if you were going to say,
what are some regrets about filming The Office, is that
we never got to film an episode there on location.
And they tried, they really tried, but it was a
lot of moving parts to move a whole cast and
crew and set up for a week. But we tried
to do the St. Patrick's Day, remember the parade, and
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that would have been so cool. You know what's so
crazy is that Jenna said the same thing, and I
said the same thing. It's one of my biggest regrets
that we never went there as a production. Now we
all went there and it was I fell in love
with the place, so did you. I still think you
should have a bar there called Malons. You should have
a bar called Malons and Scranton. You and I were
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the first ones to go. We were yes, and then
we came back and we're like, you guys, you all
have to go. It's amazing. That is one of my
favorite weekends of my life. And that is you guys,
that includes becoming a mother. Like that's how much fun
this weekend was. It was just a blast. First of all,
they sent a limo for us. We were in New
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York City doing press and I got in at first.
They picked me up first, and they were going to
pick up you. You guys, this is before you texted people.
This really dates us. But I had like a BlackBerry
and I was trying to tell Brian we were We
had arrived to pick him up, and I was like,
we're in a stretch limo that looks like a truck,
like an suv. It was, and they had it all
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the stuff in there because we were gonna then drive
to Scranton. And I was like, Brian, what is happening?
Where are we going? Yeah? I that first time in Scranton. Actually,
you and I it was like we were the Beatles. Yeah,
we went up to a rooftop in Scranton because they said, oh,
a few people from the city want to meet you.
Love some drinks. We went up there and they were
like four thousand people on the roof and it was
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just me and you no, I know, yeah, And then
when we all went back, everyone was like, oh my god.
I remember ed. Helms turned to me. He wanted to
go into this train store and we had to go
out the back entrance because the store had been surrounded
by people, and he said, angel this might be the
closest will ever be to being a beatle um. I've
been talking to people a little bit about creating their characters.
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Was there because your training was an improv Well, I
did theater like all through you know, high school and college.
I did theater, But my love and passion was improv
and comedy and sketch comedy, right, And so creating the
character of Angela, did you? Was there like a special
sauce that you had about creating her physically or well?
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The way I dressed for my second audition. When I
came back in for what would end up being Angela,
they asked me if I could bring my own clothes
to the pilot. I wore my own clothes in the pilot,
So yeah, I guess my gray on gray that I
what I had in my closet ended up being a
color scheme for her. Um. I brought a photo of
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myself and my grandmother, Lena Mackenzie, and my eyes are
closed in the photo and it's a black and white picture,
and I just thought it was really funny that she
would frame that it said I Heart Grandma, and that's
what I because Ken really wanted us to decorate our workspace,
and I put that on my desk, and so, you know,
I guess in my mind I saw her as this
sort of stuffy gal, but she wasn't malicious. She just
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took work very seriously and she was here to do work.
She wasn't there for shenanigans, you know, And that's sort
of how I approached her. The one line Greg told
me is she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
things to say about everyone. And then I had a
prop on my desk that was a paper clip holder
that was kind of a big cat laying on its side.
I still have that to this day. So I thought like, well,
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I have this photo of me and my grandmother, this
her grandma, her best friend. I don't know. I have
this cat paper clip holder. I'm wearing all gray, and
I know she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
things to say, so that just sort of informed me.
I started to put her together. And then you know,
in the pilot, I improvised the whole Sprinkles thing. Kin
Koppas wanted me to pass around papers in the background
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of a scene and I asked him what what papers said,
it doesn't matter, and I doodled a little cat and
I said, you're invited to Sprinkle's first birthday party. And
I sort of made it up that I had found
this cat in the parking lot and I invited everyone
but Jim. I just figured Jim would have made fun
of me or something. And that was all stuff I
was doing on my own. You know, you saved the
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sprinkles and posted I still have the sprinkles posted not.
You gave me the one that was on the partition
when we wrapped. You gave me that, and I like,
I love it so much. You kept it. No one
else kept Kevin. Kevin my my the person that drove
me crazy is kept was sentimental and in a weird way. Um,
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do you remember seeing the pilot for the first time? Yeah? Yeah,
what did you think of it? I thought it was
really funny. I thought it was really funny, and I thought, well,
maybe we have a chance. But for me, when I
really thought oh this is we've got something was Diversity
Day and that scene of all of us in the
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conference room with those note cards on our forehead. I
was Jamaica, you know, and I think you do want
to stop it. You and I had that great scene. Um.
I remember looking around and being like, oh, this is
I'm not seeing this on TV right now. We're the
only people doing this here and this feels really special. Yeah.
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And do you remember anything about getting the call that
the show was picked up for a series. I do.
I was. I mean, I I thought, oh my god.
My first thought was, well, I guess I could go
down to part time at the theater, like because I
just didn't know, Like nothing for me had ever stuck.
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And I remember being I was excited, but being nervous
if it meant I should quit the other job. Okay,
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so we finished the first season and then we come
back for season two. What do you remember that changed? Um?
Hair and makeup. The hair and makeup was like a
like if my my grandpa that used he used to
like try to make things with wood. The makeup area
was like someone who put together a few pieces of
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plywood and like clamped a light on it that looked
like an electrical hazard in the middle of an empty warehouse.
Season two, we had a trailer. You walked inside and
it was a hair and makeup trailer, and there was
music playing and you sat in a chair and there
were lights, and then we moved to an actual sound
stage and then fourty year old Virgin, right year old Virgin.
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That was the game changer for Steve and Jenna and
I have talked about this where we had this moment
where we're like, oh my god, our friends Steve is
gonna be like real famous, like real Dale famous. I
really felt like they were banking on Steve, and I
was like, Okay, I will attach myself to the Steve wagon.
I'm banking on him too. I thought that that was
a really good sign, but I still wasn't confident. I
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mean I still was like when we finished those first
six because season one was just six, they printed our
names on pieces of paper and then laminated them and
put a piece of velcrow on the back and that's
what stuck to your door of your trailer. And I
went up to mine, ripped that, ripped it off and said,
I'm gonna save that. That was fun because you were
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sure it was done. I just didn't know. I mean,
they were putting so much at the time, NBC had
the show that was like our rival sort of show
that was this couple, and they were on every bus everywhere.
We weren't on any buses if we weren't anywhere, And
I was like, wow, the putting a lot of money
on those guys. Yes, there was not a whole lot
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of confidence. But Kevin Riley, I was about to say,
I knew Kevin Riley was fighting for us, and I
know that's why when we ultimately won an Emmy, all
you guys lifted him in the air and that's the
photo that made the l a times because we all
knew as a cast we stayed on the air because
Kevin Riley put his neck on the line for us.
Right when did you feel like we actually had security?
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I know distinctly remember well. I remember getting an email
that our first Christmas episode had become the number one
download on iTunes and I was like what and I said, oh,
that's it. Mom was getting rid of for Chevy Blazer
and then I got a Honda. Um yeah that that
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That was a huge moment, and it's funny. Before that aired,
there was a moment that was very significant for you
and I, which was boost Crews. Yes, when we finally
became series regulars. Yep. I found out I was going
to be a series regular. And there's a photo that, um,
I think Oscar took of Jenna and I when I
found out. We're jumping up in the air holding hands.
And I mean up until then, we were basically like
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week to week. Like I remember in Halloween episode when
they were like, yeah, we're gonna actually fire one person.
We're all like, okay, Hi, how's it going. I petitioned
for it to be you. I want you to know.
I remember saying to my mom, I'm like, Mom, you
know pretty much anyone can go really And she was like, well,
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every office needs a bitch, That's what she said to you. Yeah,
She's like, every office needs the bitch. I'm like, your
mom was confident that it wouldn't be you. My mom
was you haven't you know Bertie Kinzie, She's like, don't
speak it, don't speak it put out the positive. Oh man,
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So at this time, so this happens, Um, we shoot
boost Cruise. It airs after Christmas. Christmas episode happens on TV.
It's our largest audience ever ever. Then iTunes streaming. We
become number one in that and then Steve wins the
Golden Globes. What do you remember about that night of
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us at the Golden Globes? Um? I remember I got
a spray tan because I thought I was really white,
like too white in my dress, and so people were like,
get a spray tan. And then Rain made fun of
me so much. He was like how what what? So
one day on the office, Angela Martin is like pale
and the next day you look like orange. Like Angela.
I was like, I don't know me. And then um,
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we weren't allowed to sit in the main room. Only
Steve got invited into the main room where the fancy
people were. We were in the annex and we watched
him win like on TV, and we were we we
about like fell out of our chairs, literally we fell
out of the stuff. It. We made such a scene
that other fancy. People were like, oh, little guys. We
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were screaming, We're so excited. And when the party lets out,
it lets out into the room we were in, and
we like, we tackled Steve. We're so excited. And then
season two happens, and then that year we win the Emmy. Yeah,
that was so cool, and now we're you know, at
least in terms of the Emmys. What do they know,
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but we're now the number one show, um, And so
we've gone from do we even have a job? Are
they going to let us do one more? Two now suddenly?
Or a hit? Do you think that that changed anything? Well, yeah,
for sure, it changed everything as far as the network
was concerned. I think that the show was fantastic. I
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think our fans were there, but it really made us
bankable for the network, and then we started getting the
bigger orders. Um. And then creatively the show started finding
its form in terms of we're gonna have a cold open,
the episodes are going to take place more or less
in a day. What do you think the cold opens
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allowed the show to do. I think they allowed to
show other departments, other little just relationships and worlds within
dunder Mifflin. Well, Yeah, they could be character studies too
and not have to be tied to anything to any storyline, right.
I mean the Kevin making his chili. It's never discussed again.
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There's never any conversation. At least once a year Kevin
says he brings in the chili. He never brings it
in again. He does it one time, he spills it
and that's it. Um. But I think in terms of
it allowed the show to do something for pure comedy,
for a character study. Yeah. I feel like there are
a lot of ways that our show did that that
I loved, and I think that was Greg Daniels, you know,
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just doing his thing. I mean, there would be nuggets
dropped in a monologue like a talking head and you're
like what, and it's never revisited again. But it's just information.
All of a sudden, we all know that Creed did
action movies in Hong Kong, what you know? Like whatever?
I mean, Dwight has some really good ones too, um.
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But I love that about the chili. It's just assumed information.
And and we start in the middle we don't explain
to you everything. I was just rewatching um the Halloween
episode and when Michael leaves he walks right past Hank.
Never introduced Hank. That's just where he sits. That's who
he is, his security downstairs. But there weren't these big
like now we must introduce this and this is a thing.
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It was just like their life, all right, you guys.
That's it for now. We are out of time, as
they say, but we will be back with more of Angela,
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I promise in a future episode. And until then, we
have a bunch more great interviews coming your way. Thank
you so much for listening, and please please just for me,
have a great week. The Office. Deep Dive is hosted
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and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive
producer Langley. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, our associate
producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is the
A goo Topia. My main man in the booth is
Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by
my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed
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by seth Olandski
My name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Marton.
Hello everybody out there in podcast land, Welcome back to
the Office deep Dive. I am your host Brian Baumgartner. Today,
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as you just heard, you will be listening to my
conversation with Angela Kinsey. Now, let's get something straight. Kevin
made Angela Martin crazy back in the accountants Corner throughout
the entire run of the Office. But I am very
happy to report that Angela Kinsey and I actually became
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very good friends on the set of the Office and
we are still great friends to this day, thankfully. Um,
but we actually met many years before the Office. How Ever,
neither of us remembers it. Okay, So when Angela and
I were in college, Angela went to Baylor, I went
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to s m U. Hail to the Red and the Blue. Um.
We had the same spring break and one year we
both separately went to Acapulco, Mexico. Random, I know, but
at some point during that trip we ended up in
the same cab, like the the same van cab with
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a bunch of other people. And long story short, many
years later, back in our little corner, we figured out
that we met on that night in the cab in Acapulco, Mexico.
Even though, like I said, neither of us have any
memory of it. Um. But luckily for your listening pleasure today,
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we do have a lot of great memories from our
ten years working together on the office. We truly were Angela,
Oscar and I. We were the stars of our own
show over in the accountant's corner. Let me tell you
it was a great show. At least we thought it
was a great show. Anyway, Please welcome my bestie Angela, Kinzie,
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Bubble and squeak. I love it. Bubble and squeak on
Bubble and squeaker, cookie, every moment left over from the
night before. Oh, I mean I tried you were coming.
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How are you? I'm good? How are you? How's your family?
I'm waiting for my Christmas car. Everybody's good. Ago, I
got it. I'm glad. It was so memorable. Hi guys,
Oh my god, I'm so low, so low. I think
that's more about your height. Hey, Jenna was just in
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that chair and had no issues. Well, she's taller than
I am. All right, I do this for a living.
You know what is going on? This is a microphone,
you know, it occurs to me, we have you and
I do this all the time together all the time.
Are we already recording? I think it's gold is going
to happen. We're always paired together to do like press
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and always satellite tours. And because we're good together, Bud, Yes,
we are, we are. How are you good? You look good?
You have like a snazzy sports jacket I'm wearing us.
I dressed up for you. Thank you. I like the
mood lighting. I like what you've done with the room.
Kind of got a sexy vibe. This is my first
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day in this room, like we could be in a
lodge maybe like in Vegas, a Vegas lodge. Well, they
made it, they made it feel like home for me. Um. Well,
I'm happy to be here, Brian. I'm happy that you're here.
It's fun to go back and talk about this. Really fun.
I mean, Jenna and I are having so much fun.
But I I know, we knew it was a great show,
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that we were part of something special. But getting to
watch it again and I'm watching it now with like
no agenda. I hit the mic. You're a professional. I'm
not Agenda is the wrong word, but I'm watching it
now just as an audience, Like I'm not thinking about like,
oh did I get my line right? Or you know,
I'm just watching it as an audience and I'm just
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loving it and I'm just like, ah, man, we got
to do that. Do you remember I'm going to go
out of order here, but do you remember when we
were almost fired? You mean you mean which time? The
time with kin Kopas, at the time when we made
Oscar tell a story really loud under the come one
where we had Oscar. Oscar gets really animated and he
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gets worked up and he's kind of like a very
passionate storyteller. Yes, all right, So to set this up,
show is brand new. We get hired and we're out
in the parking lot and we're we're supporting casts. We
are not a big ticket item on the show. We
are easily replaceable. And Oscar starts telling the story very loudly,
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very loudly, and we were This is when he kind
of blames me. We were sort of standing over in
the sun and I'm like, guys, let's go stand in
the shade, and I scooched us up against the wall
of the building, apparently right under a window where they
were filming, yes, and then Oscar continues the story and
he goes Kinsey almost coping fired because she's like, Oscar
over here, come down loudly under the window and we
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got yelled at. Ken koppas himself leaned out the window
our director and said, hey, guys, could you can you
keep it down? We're trying to film here. We're like, oh,
we're out of here. I have to say what I
learned really quickly that moment is the fight or flight
and all of us Oscar I don't know if he
meant to deer in headlights. He stepped out and looked up.
My ass hugged the wall. I made myself so small
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I touched into a shadow. I don't think Ken saw me.
I think he just saw Oscar. You went flat up
against a dumpster. Who probably I was like, I can
like stepped out and was like okay, and then he
was like, um okay. Two thousand and three, Yes, before
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anything related to the office happened. What were you doing,
oh man? Two thousand and three. I was working at
Improv Olympic Theater and I performed there anytime they give
me stage time, so usually about three nights a week.
I did improv. Um. I was in a show with
Kate Flannery who ended up playing Meredith on the Office,
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and Kate Wall, Laura Kraft. Really hilarious people were on
this show. Rich Fulture was our only guy and the
name of the show was Girl Team Balls, Girl Team
Balls performing three nights a week. No, no, no, That
was one of the shows I was in. It was
like Sunday nights at like ten o'clock, which is like
really when you want to see comedy. And then I
had like a few other improv shows I was doing.
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I was all in it. It was like my life.
I know, Brian's nodding at me like nerd, but so
you're doing improv Olympic and I'm working. I'm working at
the theater and I'm performing there and then auditioning, Yeah,
auditioning like every little thing I could do. I had
a bunch of national commercials. Those were the days where
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you could get a big national commercial and it would
like you would make a nice income, especially like I
just had a tiny, little one bedroom apartment. It's not
like any big checks. Um. I had a Chevy Blazer
that my parents had helped me buy out of college
that Chevy Blazer made it until about oh gosh, around
Booze Cruise. I was driving back from Long Beach and
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I made a left and my right tire made right,
rolled right through the intersection. Oh my god. Um, and
now did you know about the British Office? Of course,
I was a huge fan. You're a huge fan. I
thought it was amazing. But you know, I grew up
with a lot of British television because I grew up overseas,
and um, that was like I grew up on faulty
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towers and good neighbors and all these that kind of
sense of humor really appealed to me. Okay, so you
get called to audition. Well, actually I knew Greg Daniels
at the time. I was related to Greg by marriage.
You guys know that out there right. I've talked about it, um,
And I mean, I just loved Greg. He was so
supportive of my career. He would come to my improv shows.
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I look back on it now, Brian, and I know
you you do too, because you have kids. They probably
had to get a babysitter coming to my show like I.
But when you're in your twenties, you don't think of that.
You're like, I have an Amprov show at Tanna Clack
that Sunday. But now I think about it and I'm like,
what like it takes to get out to get to
someone's whatever it is. So he was always so supportive,
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and he was going to be doing the remake, and
he said, you know, this is when you should come
in for you should this is kind of in your wheelhouse.
And I was like, okay, and I was nervous. I
was nervous about what that looked like in the USA
because I loved the British version and I was like, oh, no,
are they gonna But I knew if anyone could do
it would be Greg because he's he is just brilliant,
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he really is. And so you get the call and
you go, is there anything specifically you remember about the
day you went into audition. You were auditioning not for
Angela and I was auditioning for Pam. I remember it
very very well because before I went in, Greg said, Angela,
that sounds kind of funny saying this. Um He's like,
I am not going to acknowledge you, okay, like we
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don't know each other. He said, trust me on this.
If they just think you're there just like anyone else.
It's going to serve you better. He goes, I know
you can do this. You know you can do it.
I am not going to in any way let them
know that I know you and you don't do the same.
So I was like, Okay, got it, And you don't
mean my poker face is horrible. So you're walking in
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and you're like, Hi stranger, Hi greg Um. But no.
I walked in and there was a room full of
people as a producer session. He was in the back corner,
and Um, I wore a like a pink turtleneck and
my hair sort of half up, half down. And I
had really worked hard on the scene. I felt really
good about it and it was going great. I was
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reading with Phyllis and there's a moment when Michael fake
fires Pam in front of Ryan the Timp, and it's
such a jerk move right, and Pam calls him a jerk.
She starts to cry and she calls him a jerk
because you kind of realized that as crappy as this
job is, she probably needs this job. And when Phyllis
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as Michael fake fires me, I look up and I
called her a jerk, but I guess I was like jerk.
Like everyone started laughing, and I remember in my mind
thinking like I don't think I'm supposed to have laugh
right there. So you got a laugh on the jersey,
I got a laugh on the jerk line. But every
it was like everything was going great. I walked out there,
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Greg really like close to his chest, gave me like
where no one could see, like a big spile of
thumbs up, which you know, I was like on cloud nine,
and I felt great about it. I walked out there.
I was like whoo, and then I didn't get it.
Um and like that was that, and you know, you
go into your next audition. I had an audition for
a pilot for the Oxygen Channel. Do you remember the
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Oxygen Network. I was a big star on I bet
you were, but I bet you crushed it over there.
It was a pilot that was like, um, an improv pilot,
kind of like Curb your Enthusiasm before curb. And they
got these phenomenal improv actors and I had auditioned for
it and got it, and they were flying me to
New York and I thought I was so fancy getting
flown first class to New York. We filmed in the
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village and I was like, Oh, this one's the one
going like this has happened, And I played the slutty receptionist,
perfect perfect um. And then two months went by I
was waiting to hear about that, and I got a
call saying, you know that show the Office, they really
liked you. They just thought you were a little too
feisty for Pam and they were like this this woman
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is like like, she works in accounting, and she's sort
of stuffy. She doesn't really have anything nice to say
about anybody. And then they said, when you come back in,
just really downplay your looks, like, you know, this is
a very drab accountant and a paper company. Instagram, so
I read with Kim Koppas and it was like one
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line and I'll never forget it because he said, um, well, Angela,
you know how he talked, Well, Angela, Yeah, you made
a real meal out of that line. And I was like, wait,
is that good? I don't know do I want to
make it me a lot of that line? But I
felt really good about it. It It was the scene that
you and I ultimately do. And and then I got
a call that I got it and I couldn't believe
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it because it was like this thing that I had
let go. I was like, that's great. And then I
remember thinking like, well, what about Salon Royale. The pilot
I did for Oxygen It was called Salt Royal Clan Royal,
and um, it didn't go. Salon Royale did not go.
So I went from the slotty receptionist to the prickly accountant.
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What now? What would have if Salon Royale had gone?
I think I would you would not have been on
the office. No, And I would have been a lead.
I would have I would have thought, who I'm like
one of the leads of Salon Royale. Yeah, I know,
Well it all worked out. Oh my goodness. So you
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did you know anybody else that had been cast? You
had worked with some people? Yes, I knew Oscar Nuniez.
We had done a sketch comedy show called Hot Towel.
Sketch comedy shows. I'll have weird names because because you're
in your twenties and you think you're HILARI yes, hot
the hot towel they hand you like on a plane.
We were like this, let's be hot towel. Well, I
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don't know because they had flown you first class that
experience and you were like, oh, let's call it hot towel.
Oh it actually wasn't. That would be perfect, but it
actually wasn't my idea. Um, so I knew Oscar and
then um, Kate Flannery and I had done improv together,
Dave Keckner. I knew all the improv circles you know.
Um do you remember having any reaction with Ben Silverman
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or Koppus Coappus. I loved, like right away, he was
just amazing, And I'll never forget our scene when we
did the pilot. It was the last shot of the
day and we had had a long day and I
could tell Ken was done. He wanted to go home,
and he has this two line scene and accounting he
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sends everyone home but us. We're over there in the corner.
You and I have been waiting all day for this moment.
And I said my line, you said yours and he goes, okay, Um,
why do you First of all, Ken doesn't say action,
you know, he goes go in and then you do
your scene and he's like, you know what, why don't
you do it again? But like give it half of that,
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like give it half of that. So I say my
line was like, well, if someone's gonna be fired, I, yeah,
it's probably gonna be me. And he was like, YEA,
give it half of that. And I'm like, do I
sound like some vaudeville commy? Am? I like, if someone's
going to be fired, I don't probably maybe, Like I
was like, give it half of that. So I was like,
someone's gonna be fired, It'll probably be me. And he
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was like and one more less. I'm like what? And
then and then I remember you and I so I did.
I said it. I just like gave it nothing right.
And then he was like, I think we got it.
And then he left and I turned you and I
was like, are we going to be fired? And You're like,
I think we just I think we're fired. I think
we suck. Oh my gosh. What do you remember that
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was different about shooting the pilot for the Office than
anything else you'd worked on before. Is there anything different
that you remember? Well? Sure, I mean there were a
few things. First of all, like the tone, like just
the fact that can like made us get there early
and do work. We were to go to our desks
and do work like we were filing papers or typing
something and sit in silence, take a call if you
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want to take a call. It was very method kind
of go there and work on your desk and he
just rolled b roll camera. And then also like we
had no marks, like the sort of um the idea
that you were on a TV show. It didn't feel
like that. It didn't feel like any other set I'd
been on. It almost was like I was on a
reality TV show and I had been miked untild to
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go work in an office somewhere. Like the feeling of
the crew, all of that was just like it wasn't there.
There were only like the crew felt very small, like
Skeleton Crew and all the other shows you're on. It
feels like a production, right, that's very interesting. The idea
that we didn't have marks, right then, In normal television
shows they mark where you're supposed to stand so the
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camera can capture you perfectly in your scene and focus
walking up delivering your lines, and we didn't have that.
This was a documentary, so the camera was expected to
find you wherever you happen to land. Yeah, they would
say walk up to reception and you're going to deliver
your lines at reception and you know, Angela you're going
to stand over by the copier and Brian you're going
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to stand over by the coat rack. But they didn't
within three ft of that area. We could roam around
and do whatever we wanted. Right. Also, there was no
there was no missing wall, right we were in and
in fact the pilot we shot in an actual office space, right,
and so the walls were not moving. Bowl. They had
to truly work in the space they were in, which
I thought was great because it is a documentary. They
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can't fudge that. They have to. Like if the walls
there on other TV shows, they'd be like, well, fly
out the wall, move the wall, it's messing up my shot.
But this you had to work around it. And I
think like the camera finding you and if it was
blurry or a little bit, if they missed you and
then had to find you, all of that was gold
for this type of show because they didn't want it
to feel like a polish, polished network television show. Yeah,
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how do you feel like choosing Scranton to set the
space and what do you think that did for us? Well?
I think it grounded it and made it like any town. Right,
it could be anywhere, so these things can happen anywhere
to anyone or just a normal town. I really liked that.
I also think that a lot of the shows skewed
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towards big cities, and um, I like seeing the smaller towns. Yeah,
I think that also. I mean, you're right, but I
think also Greg taking it a step further and saying
we're going to create in any town by being as
absolutely true and specific as we can to this town,
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right and it. It is one of the things that
doesn't make me sad. If if you were going to say,
what are some regrets about filming The Office, is that
we never got to film an episode there on location.
And they tried, they really tried, but it was a
lot of moving parts to move a whole cast and
crew and set up for a week. But we tried
to do the St. Patrick's Day, remember the parade, and
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that would have been so cool. You know what's so
crazy is that Jenna said the same thing, and I
said the same thing. It's one of my biggest regrets
that we never went there as a production. Now we
all went there and it was I fell in love
with the place, so did you. I still think you
should have a bar there called Malons. You should have
a bar called Malons and Scranton. You and I were
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the first ones to go. We were yes, and then
we came back and we're like, you guys, you all
have to go. It's amazing. That is one of my
favorite weekends of my life. And that is you guys,
that includes becoming a mother. Like that's how much fun
this weekend was. It was just a blast. First of all,
they sent a limo for us. We were in New
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York City doing press and I got in at first.
They picked me up first, and they were going to
pick up you. You guys, this is before you texted people.
This really dates us. But I had like a BlackBerry
and I was trying to tell Brian we were We
had arrived to pick him up, and I was like,
we're in a stretch limo that looks like a truck,
like an suv. It was, and they had it all
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the stuff in there because we were gonna then drive
to Scranton. And I was like, Brian, what is happening?
Where are we going? Yeah? I that first time in Scranton. Actually,
you and I it was like we were the Beatles. Yeah,
we went up to a rooftop in Scranton because they said, oh,
a few people from the city want to meet you.
Love some drinks. We went up there and they were
like four thousand people on the roof and it was
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just me and you no, I know, yeah, And then
when we all went back, everyone was like, oh my god.
I remember ed. Helms turned to me. He wanted to
go into this train store and we had to go
out the back entrance because the store had been surrounded
by people, and he said, angel this might be the
closest will ever be to being a beatle um. I've
been talking to people a little bit about creating their characters.
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Was there because your training was an improv Well, I
did theater like all through you know, high school and college.
I did theater, But my love and passion was improv
and comedy and sketch comedy, right, And so creating the
character of Angela, did you? Was there like a special
sauce that you had about creating her physically or well?
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The way I dressed for my second audition. When I
came back in for what would end up being Angela,
they asked me if I could bring my own clothes
to the pilot. I wore my own clothes in the pilot,
So yeah, I guess my gray on gray that I
what I had in my closet ended up being a
color scheme for her. Um. I brought a photo of
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myself and my grandmother, Lena Mackenzie, and my eyes are
closed in the photo and it's a black and white picture,
and I just thought it was really funny that she
would frame that it said I Heart Grandma, and that's
what I because Ken really wanted us to decorate our workspace,
and I put that on my desk, and so, you know,
I guess in my mind I saw her as this
sort of stuffy gal, but she wasn't malicious. She just
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took work very seriously and she was here to do work.
She wasn't there for shenanigans, you know, And that's sort
of how I approached her. The one line Greg told
me is she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
things to say about everyone. And then I had a
prop on my desk that was a paper clip holder
that was kind of a big cat laying on its side.
I still have that to this day. So I thought like, well,
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I have this photo of me and my grandmother, this
her grandma, her best friend. I don't know. I have
this cat paper clip holder. I'm wearing all gray, and
I know she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
things to say, so that just sort of informed me.
I started to put her together. And then you know,
in the pilot, I improvised the whole Sprinkles thing. Kin
Koppas wanted me to pass around papers in the background
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of a scene and I asked him what what papers said,
it doesn't matter, and I doodled a little cat and
I said, you're invited to Sprinkle's first birthday party. And
I sort of made it up that I had found
this cat in the parking lot and I invited everyone
but Jim. I just figured Jim would have made fun
of me or something. And that was all stuff I
was doing on my own. You know, you saved the
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sprinkles and posted I still have the sprinkles posted not.
You gave me the one that was on the partition
when we wrapped. You gave me that, and I like,
I love it so much. You kept it. No one
else kept Kevin. Kevin my my the person that drove
me crazy is kept was sentimental and in a weird way. Um,
(23:54):
do you remember seeing the pilot for the first time? Yeah? Yeah,
what did you think of it? I thought it was
really funny. I thought it was really funny, and I thought, well,
maybe we have a chance. But for me, when I
really thought oh this is we've got something was Diversity
Day and that scene of all of us in the
(24:14):
conference room with those note cards on our forehead. I
was Jamaica, you know, and I think you do want
to stop it. You and I had that great scene. Um.
I remember looking around and being like, oh, this is
I'm not seeing this on TV right now. We're the
only people doing this here and this feels really special. Yeah.
(24:34):
And do you remember anything about getting the call that
the show was picked up for a series. I do.
I was. I mean, I I thought, oh my god.
My first thought was, well, I guess I could go
down to part time at the theater, like because I
just didn't know, Like nothing for me had ever stuck.
(24:55):
And I remember being I was excited, but being nervous
if it meant I should quit the other job. Okay,
(25:19):
so we finished the first season and then we come
back for season two. What do you remember that changed? Um?
Hair and makeup. The hair and makeup was like a
like if my my grandpa that used he used to
like try to make things with wood. The makeup area
was like someone who put together a few pieces of
(25:41):
plywood and like clamped a light on it that looked
like an electrical hazard in the middle of an empty warehouse.
Season two, we had a trailer. You walked inside and
it was a hair and makeup trailer, and there was
music playing and you sat in a chair and there
were lights, and then we moved to an actual sound
stage and then fourty year old Virgin, right year old Virgin.
(26:06):
That was the game changer for Steve and Jenna and
I have talked about this where we had this moment
where we're like, oh my god, our friends Steve is
gonna be like real famous, like real Dale famous. I
really felt like they were banking on Steve, and I
was like, Okay, I will attach myself to the Steve wagon.
I'm banking on him too. I thought that that was
a really good sign, but I still wasn't confident. I
(26:30):
mean I still was like when we finished those first
six because season one was just six, they printed our
names on pieces of paper and then laminated them and
put a piece of velcrow on the back and that's
what stuck to your door of your trailer. And I
went up to mine, ripped that, ripped it off and said,
I'm gonna save that. That was fun because you were
(26:50):
sure it was done. I just didn't know. I mean,
they were putting so much at the time, NBC had
the show that was like our rival sort of show
that was this couple, and they were on every bus everywhere.
We weren't on any buses if we weren't anywhere, And
I was like, wow, the putting a lot of money
on those guys. Yes, there was not a whole lot
(27:10):
of confidence. But Kevin Riley, I was about to say,
I knew Kevin Riley was fighting for us, and I
know that's why when we ultimately won an Emmy, all
you guys lifted him in the air and that's the
photo that made the l a times because we all
knew as a cast we stayed on the air because
Kevin Riley put his neck on the line for us.
Right when did you feel like we actually had security?
(27:32):
I know distinctly remember well. I remember getting an email
that our first Christmas episode had become the number one
download on iTunes and I was like what and I said, oh,
that's it. Mom was getting rid of for Chevy Blazer
and then I got a Honda. Um yeah that that
(27:55):
That was a huge moment, and it's funny. Before that aired,
there was a moment that was very significant for you
and I, which was boost Crews. Yes, when we finally
became series regulars. Yep. I found out I was going
to be a series regular. And there's a photo that, um,
I think Oscar took of Jenna and I when I
found out. We're jumping up in the air holding hands.
And I mean up until then, we were basically like
(28:16):
week to week. Like I remember in Halloween episode when
they were like, yeah, we're gonna actually fire one person.
We're all like, okay, Hi, how's it going. I petitioned
for it to be you. I want you to know.
I remember saying to my mom, I'm like, Mom, you
know pretty much anyone can go really And she was like, well,
(28:37):
every office needs a bitch, That's what she said to you. Yeah,
She's like, every office needs the bitch. I'm like, your
mom was confident that it wouldn't be you. My mom
was you haven't you know Bertie Kinzie, She's like, don't
speak it, don't speak it put out the positive. Oh man,
(28:58):
So at this time, so this happens, Um, we shoot
boost Cruise. It airs after Christmas. Christmas episode happens on TV.
It's our largest audience ever ever. Then iTunes streaming. We
become number one in that and then Steve wins the
Golden Globes. What do you remember about that night of
(29:18):
us at the Golden Globes? Um? I remember I got
a spray tan because I thought I was really white,
like too white in my dress, and so people were like,
get a spray tan. And then Rain made fun of
me so much. He was like how what what? So
one day on the office, Angela Martin is like pale
and the next day you look like orange. Like Angela.
I was like, I don't know me. And then um,
(29:40):
we weren't allowed to sit in the main room. Only
Steve got invited into the main room where the fancy
people were. We were in the annex and we watched
him win like on TV, and we were we we
about like fell out of our chairs, literally we fell
out of the stuff. It. We made such a scene
that other fancy. People were like, oh, little guys. We
(30:00):
were screaming, We're so excited. And when the party lets out,
it lets out into the room we were in, and
we like, we tackled Steve. We're so excited. And then
season two happens, and then that year we win the Emmy. Yeah,
that was so cool, and now we're you know, at
least in terms of the Emmys. What do they know,
(30:22):
but we're now the number one show, um, And so
we've gone from do we even have a job? Are
they going to let us do one more? Two now suddenly?
Or a hit? Do you think that that changed anything? Well, yeah,
for sure, it changed everything as far as the network
was concerned. I think that the show was fantastic. I
(30:45):
think our fans were there, but it really made us
bankable for the network, and then we started getting the
bigger orders. Um. And then creatively the show started finding
its form in terms of we're gonna have a cold open,
the episodes are going to take place more or less
in a day. What do you think the cold opens
(31:06):
allowed the show to do. I think they allowed to
show other departments, other little just relationships and worlds within
dunder Mifflin. Well, Yeah, they could be character studies too
and not have to be tied to anything to any storyline, right.
I mean the Kevin making his chili. It's never discussed again.
(31:28):
There's never any conversation. At least once a year Kevin
says he brings in the chili. He never brings it
in again. He does it one time, he spills it
and that's it. Um. But I think in terms of
it allowed the show to do something for pure comedy,
for a character study. Yeah. I feel like there are
a lot of ways that our show did that that
I loved, and I think that was Greg Daniels, you know,
(31:51):
just doing his thing. I mean, there would be nuggets
dropped in a monologue like a talking head and you're
like what, and it's never revisited again. But it's just information.
All of a sudden, we all know that Creed did
action movies in Hong Kong, what you know? Like whatever?
I mean, Dwight has some really good ones too, um.
(32:11):
But I love that about the chili. It's just assumed information.
And and we start in the middle we don't explain
to you everything. I was just rewatching um the Halloween
episode and when Michael leaves he walks right past Hank.
Never introduced Hank. That's just where he sits. That's who
he is, his security downstairs. But there weren't these big
like now we must introduce this and this is a thing.
(32:33):
It was just like their life, all right, you guys.
That's it for now. We are out of time, as
they say, but we will be back with more of Angela,
(32:55):
I promise in a future episode. And until then, we
have a bunch more great interviews coming your way. Thank
you so much for listening, and please please just for me,
have a great week. The Office. Deep Dive is hosted
(33:17):
and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive
producer Langley. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, our associate
producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is the
A goo Topia. My main man in the booth is
Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by
my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed
(33:40):
by seth Olandski
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Brian Baumgartner
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