October 29, 2020 • 36 mins
Panelist Nicole Scherzinger joins host Bow Wow (aka The Frog) to talk about her judging the show and shares how her spot on the show came to be. Plus, Bow chats to the show’s Costume Designer, Marina Toybina who discusses all our favorite masks. Finally, EXCLUSIVELY for podcast listeners, Bow Wow reveals a brand new clue that could just help unmask a celebrity contestant.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Oh yeah, y'all know what time it is. When y'all
hear that voice, it's your boy, bat A K the
Frog and welcome to the h that's right, And I said,
fish you, I mean the real deal. That's right, man
man sing off as a production of I Heart Radio,
a Fox executive to dude by my family, I did
Katie Studios, and I am back to give you the
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inside scoop on everything happening in the Mass in the university.
I got you back coming up. I'm gonna chop it
up with our unbelievable. When I say unbelieved, I mean
don't believe Timeaton mass in Appendelce. This me Koz and
the Emmy Award winning Mass singer costume designer. That's right,
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my home girl. We're werena toy bean and asked promise
we got that exclusive clue for you that you cannot
find anywhere else but ran try looking. I bet you
if I go ahead, So if iXS you just keep
a lot right here to the podcast. But before we
get into all of that, let's go ahead and check
our woman down the episode five, because episode five who
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s premiere the greatest I have every grom places, I
didn't even know I could have this right and what performer?
Then we had to weave to buy two which take.
Oh thank you. She's definitely the thing and it was
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hilarious too, by the way. But now that I got
you guys all caught up, let's go ahead and get
this thing started. Alright. My first guest tonight is one
of our Steam Mass Singer judges. She's a multi talented
force of nature. So let me just go down and
just you know, run down some of these stats. Score
the number one single, which is definitely hard to do,
sold over sixty million records as a solo artist in
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a member of the Pussycat Dolls. I know who I'm
talking about, Man of the Grammy nomination and she one
Dancing with the Stars. That can go on and on
and on. Nikole Serzinger, what's going on the car? What's
going on? Hey? They thank you so much for that introduction.
While that was a fire intro, wasn't it, you say?
To put that whole thing together with I got excited.
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I was like, who's up next? Oh it's me? Oh yeah,
it's definitely you. Listen, It's it's all about you. The
Mass Singing Podcast listeners. They're definitely excited that I got
you in the building. So now I got you here,
let me go head jump into it because I got
some questions for you. Um So the first one is
what I would like to know, how exactly did you
get involved with the mass Singer Rob Wade from Fox
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actually called me because we did um X factor in
Dancing with the Stars together. Literally, I was doing another
show or something in London, so I literally flew home
and he's like, listen, I've got this new show. It's
it's kind of out. There's unlike anything you've ever seen,
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um where you come and check it out and come
down and just see the costumes. I want to tell
you all about it. And I literally landed and I
went straight to Fox to the studios and saw these
costumes and he's like, were you like try it out
with us? And I was like this is crazy and
I was like okay, and he's like, great because we
start tomorrow. Whoa wait a minute, wait, hold, let's rewinding
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the co women. So you're telling me you you get
the Fox and they show you the costume that they're
kind of getting you in the loop was getting ready
to happen but you had no idea that you were
getting a job and you were actually starting the next day.
The next day, I couldn't believe it. And I love, like,
especially with things that I'm a little bit afraid of.
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I love taking risks. So I was like, you know what,
this looks this sounds crazy. Why would I do this?
That means I should do this? And especially when he
told me that Nick was going to be a part
of it, and Ken and Jenny and Robbie know, I
know Robin, I know Nick Um, I think I've met Jenny,
but I didn't even know Ken, but I loved him.
And then the next day the first season, that first
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day is that first day I met Kent. Everything was
right right then and like we just hit it off.
It was just so easy and just was meant to be. Well,
I think because we all didn't really know what was
going on. We're just in it together, you know, we're
like kind of vulnerable, just up for anything together, and
it just made us bond that much more. Yeah, that's lit.
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I know. One thing that everybody loves about the mass
fingers the guessing, the guessing game, But when it comes
to you, like what do you look for in your
guesses when you're on the panel, is it the voice?
Is that the mannerisms, all voice and all vibes. First
of all, Dragon, your voice is so oh. I felt
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like when you started singing, like I felt like I
knew that voice all right, like Jenny be like piecing
it together with clues and stuff. I'm like, I don't
even know what half the time what they're talking about,
but I'm pretty good with voices, pretty good with just
as a performer. Innately, you just know you'd be like,
all right, this person has it been, this person is season,
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this person this is a natural talent for them. But
you could tell they don't feel comfortable on stage, comfortable
in their body, you know, you know what I mean.
We could just tell from one performer to another who's
got it and who doesn't, even if they have a
mask on, how they're communicating through that mask, through the song,
through the performance. I mean, I think I told you
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every week I was like, you're born to do this.
Thank you so much for being here, Like because you
just like illuminate, Like it didn't even matter if you
had that stale face on the frog face like you
you were just illuminating. You blew the roof off the
place every week because you just you got it, so
you know who's got it. Then I eliminate from there.
I go off of I go off of singing. But
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I think when you're talking about this, I think, what's
you were? I think it's because I got thrown off
by the costume and some of them moves. But I
just have to say, again, your performance of whatever it takes,
that's one that's like a Grammy Award winning performance right there,
Like that is like a week after week I was
like I couldn't. I felt like I couldn't articulate. It's like,
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do you all know what he is doing? Like I
think when somebody is so tallerable to you, I'm serious,
like as you like you make it look easy. So
people just watching are entertained, but they don't realize that,
like like just the talent that you have, it's amazing.
I mean they do, but I'm just saying you just
like I was jumping out of my skin and everything,
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week after week, you definitely were you were. You were
definitely parading for the frog. I gotta give that to you.
Like out of anybody, it was like you were home
team all the way in your bath, the lyrics that
you were saying, everything, whatever it takes. For me as
a performer, I'm like, if you don't leave it all
out there, then what are you doing? This is like
you we live for, this is what we were born for.
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It's like coming out of our veins, you know. And
I loved it. That's all. It only needed you on
that stage. It was so powerful for the time. I
love it. I love that you just talking about yourself
to You're like, oh, powerful, that's right. I was. It
was because me watching something like that wasn't me. That
was the frog. And I think that's one of the
things that's so special about this show and that you know,
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for me being a rapper, we try to be so cool, right,
everything is about the swag. It's about the cool factor.
And with with the mask singing and you get a
chance to really tap in to another side of yourself
that you probably didn't know existed. But when you put
those constoms on it just it all comes to life.
It gives you the freedom to just let go and
to do things that you wouldn't have maybe you know,
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kind of not limited yourself, but maybe the overthought too
much before and you got the mask on your like
nothing holds me back. Yeah, I don't want people to
be looking at the faces I'm making two while I'm
busting my moves, because you know, when you're dancing, the
faces that dancers make. Oh my god, you were dancing
so hard to like, I don't know how you were
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breathing under that mask, Like you were perfect in you're dancing,
executing it. We made it happy. And speaking of performers
in the with with season four, who would you say
right now, out of you know, out of all the
competition that has the best performance of one of the
top performances that you've seen thus far, Oh my gosh,
I'm not gonna lie. This season is so hard. It's
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really strong season for the females in particular. Um, but
right now I'm looking at a battle between Sea Seahorse Son,
both of them be throwing it down, Like I wouldn't
want to be in that competition, even with the costumes
to like, I'm like wildcasting. We have the snow Wuss
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two people for the first time, and I'm like, that's
different in the what you would call it outfit is ridiculous.
It's I'm like, yo, I've never seen any thing like
this in my life. I wanted to ask you, did
you pick frog? Oh? So I did. I was actually
going to be Astronaut, believing in that. I picked the
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astronaut costume first. And the reason why I did it
was because I already knew I would do the moonwalk
eventually in the way how I was thinking out, you
see where I'm going, it's right in And when I
saw the frog, I said, Oh, that's gonna be dope
because I can capture the kids, I can I can
capture a whole another audience. With the mass singer, I
know I'm gonna have rock with me. And it was
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a comfortability part. It was my daughter, you know, she
loves the show, and I just knew it was just
gonna hit home with the younger demo. Think they asked
me this season, They're like, what would you be? And
the first thing I thought it was a damn sushi roll,
because only because I love sushi, but like my favorite
thing and I get bored sometimes is I would go
on the internet and I look up babies when their
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parents put them put babies in their Halloween costumes as
a sushi roll, and then they put a little barret
on there, like it's a what sabi on their head?
And it cracks me up. I just love it. So
I was like, I'd be a sushi roll or sumo wrestler,
something funny. But then I thought, you know what, if
I was taking it serious, I would be a phoenix.
And I don't think anyone's been a phoenix. That's lit.
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That's lit. You know they're gonna take that right season five.
I mean, you gotta get your credit. I'm saying, cold you.
You're dropping some real gyms right now. They're gonna definitely
listen to that. Like, okay, now when we get the
phoenix on the stage, you know literally, it's definitely and
looks speaking of sushi was crazy. He's gonna be so
mad at me. I'm like the worst sushi eat. That's
probably the only thing in my life I never could
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dive into. You're gonna have to put me on game
with it. With the sushi thing. I yet to me
anybody who can put me on it, I will. I
could do that. I got you from from Hawaii, like
I have like love love sushi. I could eat it
for breakfast. Oh yes, that's crazy, so good. But is
there anybody right now or should I say this? Let
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me say this, because anybody got in the Cold Star
struggle once they're unmask Oh, I mean yeah, you know,
like for me as a singer growing up listening to
Dion Warwick and Shako like and Gladys Night like, how
can I not freak out? And Patti LaBelle you were
just like, I'm just like, there they are there, it
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is right there there, it is. So I think those
those four women I truly love and admire and you know,
grew up listening and learning from them. Yeah, that's big
right there. And then a lot of times people don't
understand the secrecy with the show, and I expressed this
every week, like they really think it's a game. They
think they can just roll up to the lot and
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just walk in and grab a ticket and just I'm like, listen,
it's not like that. It's I couldn't even tell my
mom and she's like, you've been in l A for
too long? What's going on. I'm like, I don't know.
I'm feeling a movie like I had to the mass
singer had me lying to my mama. I had the
lot to my mom, you can't do anything it's so
on lockdown. It's like secret service be where it's crazy,
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like no one is allowed to come. So when I
do mess singer, like, I don't have management, I don't
have pr, I don't have ages, I don't have anyone.
I get hair and make up, and when the time comes,
when it's close enough, wardrobe gets to come and address
me and that's it. Then everybody needs Like it's like
that much lockdown. I'm not allowed to leave the room. Literally,
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they take you straight to the room, a certain route
away from everything else, a certain entrance, and then you
just go into your room and then they tell you
when they're gonna take you to stage, and then it's crazy,
somebody's following you the whole time. And this is anything.
I don't even know where Nick Cannon's room is. So
what I want to know is if you were on
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the stage and you were masked up right, what would
be in the cold's clue package that we don't know
about in the code that you possibly could give what? Oh,
that's a hard because like I don't know if a
lot of people know that I'm I was born in Hawaii,
and there's not many people who are born in Hawaiian
are actually Hawaiian. Um. And then I grew up in
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the South. I grew up in Kentucky. UM. I don't know.
It's hard because I was also in a rock group
and that people kind of know it well, not a
lot of people. But then I started out in pop stars.
I don't think people realize. I think a lot of
people know me from the Pussycat Dolls, but they don't
know my training. They don't know that I I grew
up and I studied like Shakespeare, and I sat classical
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and like all the other different sides of me. But
I've always you know, I did grow up performing. But
I think so I might stump them by educating them
on some of those things that they don't realize. That's
a little nugget, little jam right there. Thank you. Of course,
you know you've got us, Nicole. I gotta thank you.
I know you gotta you know, get back to set.
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You've got things you gotta do. And of course the
master second podcast listeners, I definitely throw to have you
and uh, you gotta come back, you gotta come back. Yes,
thank you so much. I'm sending all my love to
you and your family, especially during this time. God bless
you stay happy and healthy. All right now, super fans,
I know you guys are chumping at the bit to
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get this week's exclusive cool, but luck don't worry. I
tell y'all every week, just kick back and relaxed. Even
though I got the clue coming, I got, y'all, just
keep a lot and be patient. You know, one of
the things that makes the Mass singers so incredible, of course,
it's the costumes. We all know why you guys tune
in yea you you you watch the performances and it's
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a hot show. But we know you guys love the costumes,
all right, and it's incredible because just how they come
up with this stuff even I don't know, like it's
it's straight up in my next guest where y'all can't
here laughing in the background right now, is the woman
who brings all of these characters to life. I'm talking
about the Mass singer costume designer Marina Toy being out.
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How you doing, I'm good, I'm good, Thank you for
having me. How are you? I'm good, I'm good. I
can't complain. Finally out the frog soup, finally out the
suit missing You know what I do. I have this
video in my phone actually with me on the last
day with the frog ahead, just sitting right next to me,
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and I'm always like passing by it and just thinking
about the memories at it at a good time being
a frog. I really did. So. I gotta ask you
the first time on the show, and I always asked
my guests, how did you get involved with the mass
singer oh Man Um the initial showrunner Izzy Um, we
connected via phone and when she explained the concept to me,
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I just thought it was the coolest thing that we
could bring to American television, and it was right up
my alley. I've been designing for a long time, been
doing a lot of music, a lot of tours, a
lot of stage performances. So for me to take this
a step further Um and really like dig dip deep
into my roots from costume design to fashion design, it
was just a perfect fit. And you brought up your
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background and how did you even like get started into
like costume design? Was this something when when you were younger,
did you see something that made you or you always
in the clothes and just creating or I M I
loved cinema growing up. I I used to like beg
my mom to take me to theater plays, and I
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was just so intrigued by every element of stage and
performances and music and theater. UM. I started when I
was about thirteen, like heavily sketching and drawing ideas, and
probably when I was sixteen seventeen, I started playing around
with fabrics and trying to bring some of my artwork
to life. UM went to fit and right after high
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school started my own clothing line. My background was truly
in fashion design, and that's what I've always wanted to do. UM.
I studied couture, I started McQueen's work for many years. UM,
and then slowly, you know, hustling my way around, started
working with a lot of stylists. UM. Of course, you know,
just producing one of the kind pieces, working all hours
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of the night, you know, having three jobs on the side,
trying to really make it work. And slowly the journeys
started unfolding itself, and I started teaming up with stylists
that were more music heavy, and we're doing stage performances
and a word show performances. And I started with the
dancers and then slowly kind of taking over the whole performances,
started working with artists and the supporting cast, and from
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their m X Factor that was my first TV show,
and from there on, I've kind of switched my journey
into custom design. Okay, check that out, and in what
particular challenges does the massing off as a costume designer
that you haven't had in the past. So every costume
for me is a challenge, you know. It's like I'll
do the artwork and come up with conceptual designs and
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then I look at it at night and I'm like,
oh man, okay, here here's a new one. How do
we do this? And then I think I've been able
and so lucky to surround myself with such an incredible
support team, you know, and our fabricators and builders and
my sowers. It's just right away the relationship and the
bonds that we have. It's almost like they understand my designs,
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they understand my artwork, and from there, I'm so meticulous
about detail that until we get it right, I won't
let a costume go on stage. And I think every
like I said, every costume for me is a challenge,
you know. Um, everybody type that we're working with is different.
Everyone's preferences are different, and then their safety, you know,
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and all these things that you never really think about
until the show comes to life, is how can I
make it better? How can I allow you to perform,
you know, and and execute the life to these costumes,
so it's not just making it pretty and incredible. And
I myself do try out these masks once they're built,
and everybody is so different, Like you said, everybody has preferences,
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and of course breathing and vision is so important, and
it's still a challenge for me. You know. We're still
trying to figure out new ways to build these masks,
and because it's not something that we're used to. It's
not something that you put on every day, so you're
accustomed to it, and not everyone's vision is perfect, you know.
I've had to compensate certain talent that wanted to wear
glasses underneath the masks, and then that changes our built
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and we have to create room for that. And I see, like,
is it something if somebody's claustrophobic. I've learned over the
process that I have to build the mass closer to
the face so they don't feel like they're breathing in
their own oxygen. You know. I think even the best
example was the Monster season one. It's the first time
we made something that was like a cylinder costume. And
then when he got into it, the first ten minutes,
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everything was great, and then after a while he was like, man, like,
I really feel like I'm stuck in here, you know.
So immediately after his first performance, we had to take
the costume back and open it from the back and
create vents behind the fur that nobody got to see.
But it helped me. It educated me what to do
when we're dealing with heavier fabrics, you know. So he
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was like a great example of somebody being able to
perform once and then right away we had to figure
out how to fix the costume on the spot. I'm
no one question I have for you, because you know,
this season I'm watching and I'm like, I'm like, yo,
baby alien, He's he's sitting in the helmet, and how
in the world I'm And I'm just sitting here thinking,
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And then I'm watching what's McCall And I'm like, all right,
this is okay. Now it's oh my goodness, where do
you draw like the inspiration for these characters? Oh? Man,
you know, it's everywhere. I feel like this show gave
me the platform to run wild with imagination and things
that I see every day are just so interesting and
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unique to me that I try to figure out what
can we do different every season? And with season four
it was an interesting kind of process because we're stuck
in this pandemic, you know, the world is in an
uneasy place, and we're all so limited. I'm limited on resources,
you know, I'm not able to go into the fabrics
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I wanna visit or things that I want to get.
So I think like almost magic happened with season four,
where it took me back to the basics, you know,
and and drawing inspiration from my childhood and drawing inspiration
from my friends and family members and audience, you know,
what worked the past three seasons, and what can I
really do that's interesting enough to you know, bring a
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puppet aspect to the show, but at the same time,
make it ours, make it unique. And I started watching
a lot of Sesame Street with my kids, and I
was like, oh, okay, so I got to make something
that's like super kid friendly and and fun and interesting.
And right away we started dealing with different fabrications and
using chrome paint, and once that happened, it's kind of
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spaceship idea came about. And then bringing the little alien
almost like our version of a baby Yoda, you know, um,
and the challenges with it were so incredible because it's like,
how do you convince somebody like yourself to be like,
by the way, you're going in this massive spaceship and
you're gonna puppet while you sing and while you dance,
And somehow creatively it just came together. And I think
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Mark was so incredible to take it a step further
and really take it on his own to practice, you know,
how to use a puppet, and then that helped me
build the costume. And that's where that importance of collaboration
comes together with our talent, because once I know what
they're willing to do, I can then take it a
step further and make it, you know, magical and really
push the envelope. And I can kind of, you know,
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tap into that because I remember my sneakers, my sneakers
on season three, you know, I was wearing the dress
like the fifty Mob shoe, the black and white shoe
was the was my primary shoe. But I know you
remember this because we had to talk to Fox about it,
but I wanted to for a specific song for the
Cris Cars Jump record. I'm like, yoans a rap record.
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I want to wear sneakers because I gotta jump and
I don't know if I feel safe jumping in sliding
dancing shoes. I might slid off and I don't know
land on somebody somewhere. So yeah, so uh, there is
a little teamwork effort once, you know, a little rutle
request can be made, right, you know. I am so
open to that. I think what's so cool about the
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show is we're bringing these characters to life, you know,
and right away the introduced all these unique elements. But
then what's also important, and it's important for me to designers,
how do we execute that? How does it make sense
for somebody that is a performer to be able to
go full out and not be so you know, constructed
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by this mask or this costume. So there's so many
elements that I am completely open to suggestions and and
and want to see it come to life and want
to see that movement and want to see that performance.
And I think that's the beauty of the show, you know,
is there's so many elements that I'm learning how to
interchange and intermix. And even for season four, UM, I
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started like almost tweaking the costumes to the point where
they could be almost in aversable, you know, and interchangeable,
to where it's like, somebody's not just married to this
big gown, but when they want to rock out, I
need to have a backup. I need to still keep
the character and still keep this like incredible almost um
visual on stage, but give somebody that comfort and support
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to truly be able to be unique and be themselves.
And I think that's key too. It's like, yes, we're
putting masks on our talent and we're creating this world.
But at the same time, there's still so much more
to that costume because it matters who'san's side, you know.
And we did that with Monster for season one, you know.
With t Pain, it's like we started out with the
shell of a character, and then all of a sudden,
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I started being so inspired by his musical choices that
I'm like, oh, man, like we're missing something, We're missing
a story because the costumes sometimes is the first thing
people see. Oh my gosh, I just want to give
you a big with all your eighteen little arms. You
are just so adorable and lovable. You know, before you
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even put that mike into your mouth, there has to
be a story or like this ambience that's that's gonna
show us with what we're about to see. And I
started playing with little elements and dressing up my monster,
and then it just makes sense, you know that sometimes
in the process of the show, we have to come
up with ways to like really musically enhance the costume
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and let the performance just live just like that. And
this is what I want to know as a fan
and not even as the host of the podcast, just
a fan question. What happens to the outfits once once
once they're gone, because the celebrities don't get to keep them. Um,
the show does keep all the costumes from all the seasons,
and UM, you know, various things happen. We've had the
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privilege to be featured in multiple museums. Um, there's many
times that the costumes go out on the road, and
there's many promotional materials for follow up seasons or the
season right after. Um that they do start living in
beautiful places, you know, And we've done like so many
displays where the kids got to see them, you know.
And the one thing like that's like my hopeful plan
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is at some point, you know, I would love for
Fox to do some sort of Massinger museum. Um. You know,
you've seen them in person. There's so much work and
so much detail that I think doesn't even translate properly
on television. You know that unless you see them in person,
you start paying attention to all the detail. Um, that
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it would be nice, you know, at some point to
see all of them kind of be grouped together and
present it to the public. That would be really really fly.
That would be really because I know, I'm like, you
put all his hard work and to make it the Yeah,
I might give a meranic she can't even keep that
and I cry. But you know that that is like
the hope that I have for the show that maybe
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some someday in the future it would be really nice,
um to kind of all of us to collaborate together,
because I think it has affected the public so much,
you know, And it's not just the number one show
because it's unlike any competition. I think it's also number
one show because it's filled with so much art, you know,
and so much talent and so much just a beautiful
expression of voices and music and celebration on stage that
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I think it should continue on and inspire people and
even pass the show, you know, and it definitely will,
it definitely will. I gotta thank you, and of course
the podcast listeners, I'm gonna thank your they have too,
because you know, information like this is useful. They love
to hear the insights, and you know, we always see
what we're what we're being shown on TV, so to
get even a more glimpse of what happens behind the
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scenes is is definitely dope. And I appreciate you, appreciate,
get you, and thank you so much. Have a beautiful day,
you guys, Stay safe and healthy. Now the moment you
all been waiting on, man, listen, I know why you
guys listen. It's not because I'm on here host and
I know that I know. It's these clues. I know
what you guys really like. So let's go and dive
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right into it. Man. Exclusive to our heart listeners and
all of our super fans all around the world, it
is time for tonight's exclusive clue. And uh, you know,
a couple of weeks ago, you know your boy boun
I'm always had guests coming through the show, right, because
it's just hot like that, and we talked to the
clues are that's right. But this week we're gonna switch
it up because I got the counterparty to day. That's right.
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As counterparties. Here, I'm talking about clue Queen, Clue queen,
and you're in the fielding what's going on? Oh my gosh, Frog,
I'm here. How are you doing. I'm doing good? You know,
I'm doing real good to Frog, smelling good, got my
Frog cologne on. I'm all right today. I'm feeling real good.
How you doing? Oh my gosh, I'm doing so great.
I'm so happy to be here, especially with some exclusive clues,
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and I can't wait to talk about, you know, this
week's episode. All right, coach, let's go and dive into
it because I know that people been waiting. This is
what they're listening for. What's the most important trick to
putting together a good clue package? How do you put
all of this information together and give us what you know?
What we love? There's the clues. Honestly, you have to
like become one with the person, not just the celebrity,
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but the costume. You really kind of have to, like
I don't know, become one with that character and live
in that character. And that's kind of how the way
that we come up with our frameworks and our creatives
and our stories is we not only do tons of research,
We watch interviews, we watched movies, we listen to music,
We really, um, you know, you have to you know,
become one, for example, with the frog um. And so
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you know, we've studied you for such a long time.
It came up with all these great clues for you.
You're you have a a foot loose package, which is
one of my favorite packages of all time. UM. And
we just try to always push push the boundaries and
be super weird and super fun and get people excited
and help tell your story. Right. Okay, So how do
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you go about getting the clues out there without giving
up too much information? How do you manage to put
it like right and front of our face where we
can guess it but it's not what we think it is.
How do you know when you can't go too far
without giving up too much info? But that's the hardest
part of the show, you know, That's that's the trickiest thing,
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is that we have everything we want people to not
feel like it's too hard, but we never wanted to
be too easy. So we have to kind of every
single word, every single visual, we have to craft and
make sure that no matter what, we're being true to
the celebrity, being true to their story, but also kind
of like you know, leading people down some other roads,
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getting people away from from you. Right. Um. So it's
it's really really hard and we take it very seriously
and we always have. Um, you know, some really tricky
clues are deep cut clues for you know the redditors
out there. Halla. Um. But no, it's it's really tough,
and it's taken you know, a few seasons to really
get the formula right now. And and how long does
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it take for you to put a clue packs together? Oh,
it can take anywhere from like four months to three days,
depending on when someone is cast. Um. But no, it's
you know, it was it's there's not really a time
I mean, I you know, i'd say usually a few weeks, um,
just to kind of figure it out and come up
with a plan. And we like to come up with
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whoever is coming onto the show, we like to think
about their whole season, um, Right, So we don't want
to kind of do random packages with random clues like
for you. It was great because we started off in
this kind of like forties newspaper dance world, and then
we kind of you know, the detective packages, and then
we kind of had you with like a clue murder board,
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which was really fun daughter and dancing. So we really
wanted to have kind of, you know, an arc to
clues so it could take a while. You definitely do
your thing. And what I want to know is this
you you you've got some inside and follow lips. The
clue package. We've seen that and obviously it was Wendy Williams,
you know who was unmake tonight please all right, let's
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go all right? So we had a baby kangaroo or
a joey, right, that's a baby kangaroo is called the Joey.
So because who else shares her catchphrase from Friends with Us?
How you go with but persons? Right? How you going? Um?
So that was a fun one. There were clues from
her talk show everywhere, so we had a leopard print
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roller skate for her shoecam segment ucause he loves leopard
print fire for arguably her most famous segment topics, and
here the title of her many bestselling books, Wendy's Got
the Heat. Um, you mentioned the high scream Scoop, So
that was for her segment inside Scoop. So those are
a whole bunch of different segments that she does on
her show. Yeah. So then but literally we also, you know,
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we did work people to be able to guess her,
so we literally she said she had strong opinions and
a big mouth, which you know, I mean she does.
She's like, you know queens, she's done the queen. I mean,
she's like the premier celebrity news queen. So then we
heard her say that she's been shocking the public for
decades and saw her literally get shocked by electricity, both
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because she was a radio shock jock or stock jock
at I should say, um, and then we thought, okay,
this is one of my favorites. We saw a disco
ball with disco fries made iconic on Jersey Shore, where
she's from because she was born Asbury Park, New Jersey,
hence the number twelve Sports Jersey. By the way, number
twelve Sports Jersey because she's had twelve seasons of her show,
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So that's a really fun one, and then the biggest one,
one of my favorites there was the West Wing snack Bart,
which people were like online people like her that amar
Rosas at Majellaba, all kind of crazy guesses. But it
was all about those double w's for her initials, Wendy Williams. Yes,
those are those are the pits of her package. Oh,
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I would just like, I don't I'm lost words you
just every clue you gave me, I'm like, I'm trying
to pin it the wind. I would have never gotten this.
I would have never last thing. I would have said, Okay,
the White House, I don't know. Yeah, And it's all
about the vibe of the person to write, Like she
told us she loves to listen to disco, so like,
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let's put her at a disco roller rink. I mean,
what's more fun than that. She's funge, she's over the top,
she's ridiculous and and and embraces that and everyone loves
that about her. So that's really what we tried to
encapsulate with her clues and and yeah, but no, to
your point, I mean that's the kind of stuff that
that we started out doing. Like let's put a TV
because they're on TV. But then people would get it
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so fast and they're like, Okay, no, we gotta do
gotta take it to the next level. Clue queen, he
had to tone him a voice, right, so you know,
you know next you know, you know we've been talking
for a little bit. You know when they won't, you know,
they won't the glue. So befar, let you out the door.
You gotta give me this week's clue. Go ahead and
(35:06):
lay it out for us. Okay, this week's clue. It's
for jelly Fu and the clue is so Frog. Everyone
knows you can freestyle, but guess what, so can our
girl jelly Fish she can jam or well jelly she
You got me thinking about this clue queen out now
now when you leave, I'm gonna be think. I'm gonna
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really be thinking about this one right now. I hope
those little wheels are just spinning all day, just thinking
who can it be? Who can they really really are?
And I wish I could keep you longer because I
would definitely try to string out another clue, But I
know you ain't gonna give me too much. I know,
give me this. Yeah, so we'll we'll take this so
clue queen, thank you so much for chiming in and
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giving us that weekly clue. You know we need that,
We need that. Thank you, Frog if you're the best, alright,
So that is a rat man, Let me go ahead,
just thank everybody for tuning in. Man join me next
Wednesday with the next unmasked singer. Who will it be?
I don't know, but it's gonna be somebody, I can
tell you that much. And as always, I'm bringing you
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all the inside scoop and another exclusive clue. The official
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favorite shows, and do not forget to tune into the
Man Singlefox Scanny Weinsday at Bigger Clock wh
Oh yeah, y'all know what time it is. When y'all
hear that voice, it's your boy, bat A K the
Frog and welcome to the h that's right, And I said,
fish you, I mean the real deal. That's right, man
man sing off as a production of I Heart Radio,
a Fox executive to dude by my family, I did
Katie Studios, and I am back to give you the
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inside scoop on everything happening in the Mass in the university.
I got you back coming up. I'm gonna chop it
up with our unbelievable. When I say unbelieved, I mean
don't believe Timeaton mass in Appendelce. This me Koz and
the Emmy Award winning Mass singer costume designer. That's right,
(00:45):
my home girl. We're werena toy bean and asked promise
we got that exclusive clue for you that you cannot
find anywhere else but ran try looking. I bet you
if I go ahead, So if iXS you just keep
a lot right here to the podcast. But before we
get into all of that, let's go ahead and check
our woman down the episode five, because episode five who
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s premiere the greatest I have every grom places, I
didn't even know I could have this right and what performer?
Then we had to weave to buy two which take.
Oh thank you. She's definitely the thing and it was
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hilarious too, by the way. But now that I got
you guys all caught up, let's go ahead and get
this thing started. Alright. My first guest tonight is one
of our Steam Mass Singer judges. She's a multi talented
force of nature. So let me just go down and
just you know, run down some of these stats. Score
the number one single, which is definitely hard to do,
sold over sixty million records as a solo artist in
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a member of the Pussycat Dolls. I know who I'm
talking about, Man of the Grammy nomination and she one
Dancing with the Stars. That can go on and on
and on. Nikole Serzinger, what's going on the car? What's
going on? Hey? They thank you so much for that introduction.
While that was a fire intro, wasn't it, you say?
To put that whole thing together with I got excited.
(02:18):
I was like, who's up next? Oh it's me? Oh yeah,
it's definitely you. Listen, It's it's all about you. The
Mass Singing Podcast listeners. They're definitely excited that I got
you in the building. So now I got you here,
let me go head jump into it because I got
some questions for you. Um So the first one is
what I would like to know, how exactly did you
get involved with the mass Singer Rob Wade from Fox
(02:42):
actually called me because we did um X factor in
Dancing with the Stars together. Literally, I was doing another
show or something in London, so I literally flew home
and he's like, listen, I've got this new show. It's
it's kind of out. There's unlike anything you've ever seen,
(03:03):
um where you come and check it out and come
down and just see the costumes. I want to tell
you all about it. And I literally landed and I
went straight to Fox to the studios and saw these
costumes and he's like, were you like try it out
with us? And I was like this is crazy and
I was like okay, and he's like, great because we
start tomorrow. Whoa wait a minute, wait, hold, let's rewinding
(03:25):
the co women. So you're telling me you you get
the Fox and they show you the costume that they're
kind of getting you in the loop was getting ready
to happen but you had no idea that you were
getting a job and you were actually starting the next day.
The next day, I couldn't believe it. And I love, like,
especially with things that I'm a little bit afraid of.
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I love taking risks. So I was like, you know what,
this looks this sounds crazy. Why would I do this?
That means I should do this? And especially when he
told me that Nick was going to be a part
of it, and Ken and Jenny and Robbie know, I
know Robin, I know Nick Um, I think I've met Jenny,
but I didn't even know Ken, but I loved him.
And then the next day the first season, that first
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day is that first day I met Kent. Everything was
right right then and like we just hit it off.
It was just so easy and just was meant to be. Well,
I think because we all didn't really know what was
going on. We're just in it together, you know, we're
like kind of vulnerable, just up for anything together, and
it just made us bond that much more. Yeah, that's lit.
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I know. One thing that everybody loves about the mass
fingers the guessing, the guessing game, But when it comes
to you, like what do you look for in your
guesses when you're on the panel, is it the voice?
Is that the mannerisms, all voice and all vibes. First
of all, Dragon, your voice is so oh. I felt
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like when you started singing, like I felt like I
knew that voice all right, like Jenny be like piecing
it together with clues and stuff. I'm like, I don't
even know what half the time what they're talking about,
but I'm pretty good with voices, pretty good with just
as a performer. Innately, you just know you'd be like,
all right, this person has it been, this person is season,
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this person this is a natural talent for them. But
you could tell they don't feel comfortable on stage, comfortable
in their body, you know, you know what I mean.
We could just tell from one performer to another who's
got it and who doesn't, even if they have a
mask on, how they're communicating through that mask, through the song,
through the performance. I mean, I think I told you
(05:35):
every week I was like, you're born to do this.
Thank you so much for being here, Like because you
just like illuminate, Like it didn't even matter if you
had that stale face on the frog face like you
you were just illuminating. You blew the roof off the
place every week because you just you got it, so
you know who's got it. Then I eliminate from there.
I go off of I go off of singing. But
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I think when you're talking about this, I think, what's
you were? I think it's because I got thrown off
by the costume and some of them moves. But I
just have to say, again, your performance of whatever it takes,
that's one that's like a Grammy Award winning performance right there,
Like that is like a week after week I was
like I couldn't. I felt like I couldn't articulate. It's like,
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do you all know what he is doing? Like I
think when somebody is so tallerable to you, I'm serious,
like as you like you make it look easy. So
people just watching are entertained, but they don't realize that,
like like just the talent that you have, it's amazing.
I mean they do, but I'm just saying you just
like I was jumping out of my skin and everything,
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week after week, you definitely were you were. You were
definitely parading for the frog. I gotta give that to you.
Like out of anybody, it was like you were home
team all the way in your bath, the lyrics that
you were saying, everything, whatever it takes. For me as
a performer, I'm like, if you don't leave it all
out there, then what are you doing? This is like
you we live for, this is what we were born for.
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It's like coming out of our veins, you know. And
I loved it. That's all. It only needed you on
that stage. It was so powerful for the time. I
love it. I love that you just talking about yourself
to You're like, oh, powerful, that's right. I was. It
was because me watching something like that wasn't me. That
was the frog. And I think that's one of the
things that's so special about this show and that you know,
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for me being a rapper, we try to be so cool, right,
everything is about the swag. It's about the cool factor.
And with with the mask singing and you get a
chance to really tap in to another side of yourself
that you probably didn't know existed. But when you put
those constoms on it just it all comes to life.
It gives you the freedom to just let go and
to do things that you wouldn't have maybe you know,
(07:46):
kind of not limited yourself, but maybe the overthought too
much before and you got the mask on your like
nothing holds me back. Yeah, I don't want people to
be looking at the faces I'm making two while I'm
busting my moves, because you know, when you're dancing, the
faces that dancers make. Oh my god, you were dancing
so hard to like, I don't know how you were
(08:07):
breathing under that mask, Like you were perfect in you're dancing,
executing it. We made it happy. And speaking of performers
in the with with season four, who would you say
right now, out of you know, out of all the
competition that has the best performance of one of the
top performances that you've seen thus far, Oh my gosh,
I'm not gonna lie. This season is so hard. It's
(08:30):
really strong season for the females in particular. Um, but
right now I'm looking at a battle between Sea Seahorse Son,
both of them be throwing it down, Like I wouldn't
want to be in that competition, even with the costumes
to like, I'm like wildcasting. We have the snow Wuss
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two people for the first time, and I'm like, that's
different in the what you would call it outfit is ridiculous.
It's I'm like, yo, I've never seen any thing like
this in my life. I wanted to ask you, did
you pick frog? Oh? So I did. I was actually
going to be Astronaut, believing in that. I picked the
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astronaut costume first. And the reason why I did it
was because I already knew I would do the moonwalk
eventually in the way how I was thinking out, you
see where I'm going, it's right in And when I
saw the frog, I said, Oh, that's gonna be dope
because I can capture the kids, I can I can
capture a whole another audience. With the mass singer, I
know I'm gonna have rock with me. And it was
(09:31):
a comfortability part. It was my daughter, you know, she
loves the show, and I just knew it was just
gonna hit home with the younger demo. Think they asked
me this season, They're like, what would you be? And
the first thing I thought it was a damn sushi roll,
because only because I love sushi, but like my favorite
thing and I get bored sometimes is I would go
on the internet and I look up babies when their
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parents put them put babies in their Halloween costumes as
a sushi roll, and then they put a little barret
on there, like it's a what sabi on their head?
And it cracks me up. I just love it. So
I was like, I'd be a sushi roll or sumo wrestler,
something funny. But then I thought, you know what, if
I was taking it serious, I would be a phoenix.
And I don't think anyone's been a phoenix. That's lit.
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That's lit. You know they're gonna take that right season five.
I mean, you gotta get your credit. I'm saying, cold you.
You're dropping some real gyms right now. They're gonna definitely
listen to that. Like, okay, now when we get the
phoenix on the stage, you know literally, it's definitely and
looks speaking of sushi was crazy. He's gonna be so
mad at me. I'm like the worst sushi eat. That's
probably the only thing in my life I never could
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dive into. You're gonna have to put me on game
with it. With the sushi thing. I yet to me
anybody who can put me on it, I will. I
could do that. I got you from from Hawaii, like
I have like love love sushi. I could eat it
for breakfast. Oh yes, that's crazy, so good. But is
there anybody right now or should I say this? Let
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me say this, because anybody got in the Cold Star
struggle once they're unmask Oh, I mean yeah, you know,
like for me as a singer growing up listening to
Dion Warwick and Shako like and Gladys Night like, how
can I not freak out? And Patti LaBelle you were
just like, I'm just like, there they are there, it
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is right there there, it is. So I think those
those four women I truly love and admire and you know,
grew up listening and learning from them. Yeah, that's big
right there. And then a lot of times people don't
understand the secrecy with the show, and I expressed this
every week, like they really think it's a game. They
think they can just roll up to the lot and
(11:38):
just walk in and grab a ticket and just I'm like, listen,
it's not like that. It's I couldn't even tell my
mom and she's like, you've been in l A for
too long? What's going on. I'm like, I don't know.
I'm feeling a movie like I had to the mass
singer had me lying to my mama. I had the
lot to my mom, you can't do anything it's so
on lockdown. It's like secret service be where it's crazy,
(12:01):
like no one is allowed to come. So when I
do mess singer, like, I don't have management, I don't
have pr, I don't have ages, I don't have anyone.
I get hair and make up, and when the time comes,
when it's close enough, wardrobe gets to come and address
me and that's it. Then everybody needs Like it's like
that much lockdown. I'm not allowed to leave the room. Literally,
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they take you straight to the room, a certain route
away from everything else, a certain entrance, and then you
just go into your room and then they tell you
when they're gonna take you to stage, and then it's crazy,
somebody's following you the whole time. And this is anything.
I don't even know where Nick Cannon's room is. So
what I want to know is if you were on
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the stage and you were masked up right, what would
be in the cold's clue package that we don't know
about in the code that you possibly could give what? Oh,
that's a hard because like I don't know if a
lot of people know that I'm I was born in Hawaii,
and there's not many people who are born in Hawaiian
are actually Hawaiian. Um. And then I grew up in
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the South. I grew up in Kentucky. UM. I don't know.
It's hard because I was also in a rock group
and that people kind of know it well, not a
lot of people. But then I started out in pop stars.
I don't think people realize. I think a lot of
people know me from the Pussycat Dolls, but they don't
know my training. They don't know that I I grew
up and I studied like Shakespeare, and I sat classical
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and like all the other different sides of me. But
I've always you know, I did grow up performing. But
I think so I might stump them by educating them
on some of those things that they don't realize. That's
a little nugget, little jam right there. Thank you. Of course,
you know you've got us, Nicole. I gotta thank you.
I know you gotta you know, get back to set.
(13:47):
You've got things you gotta do. And of course the
master second podcast listeners, I definitely throw to have you
and uh, you gotta come back, you gotta come back. Yes,
thank you so much. I'm sending all my love to
you and your family, especially during this time. God bless
you stay happy and healthy. All right now, super fans,
I know you guys are chumping at the bit to
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get this week's exclusive cool, but luck don't worry. I
tell y'all every week, just kick back and relaxed. Even
though I got the clue coming, I got, y'all, just
keep a lot and be patient. You know, one of
the things that makes the Mass singers so incredible, of course,
it's the costumes. We all know why you guys tune
in yea you you you watch the performances and it's
(14:29):
a hot show. But we know you guys love the costumes,
all right, and it's incredible because just how they come
up with this stuff even I don't know, like it's
it's straight up in my next guest where y'all can't
here laughing in the background right now, is the woman
who brings all of these characters to life. I'm talking
about the Mass singer costume designer Marina Toy being out.
(14:53):
How you doing, I'm good, I'm good, Thank you for
having me. How are you? I'm good, I'm good. I
can't complain. Finally out the frog soup, finally out the
suit missing You know what I do. I have this
video in my phone actually with me on the last
day with the frog ahead, just sitting right next to me,
(15:13):
and I'm always like passing by it and just thinking
about the memories at it at a good time being
a frog. I really did. So. I gotta ask you
the first time on the show, and I always asked
my guests, how did you get involved with the mass
singer oh Man Um the initial showrunner Izzy Um, we
connected via phone and when she explained the concept to me,
(15:34):
I just thought it was the coolest thing that we
could bring to American television, and it was right up
my alley. I've been designing for a long time, been
doing a lot of music, a lot of tours, a
lot of stage performances. So for me to take this
a step further Um and really like dig dip deep
into my roots from costume design to fashion design, it
was just a perfect fit. And you brought up your
(15:55):
background and how did you even like get started into
like costume design? Was this something when when you were younger,
did you see something that made you or you always
in the clothes and just creating or I M I
loved cinema growing up. I I used to like beg
my mom to take me to theater plays, and I
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was just so intrigued by every element of stage and
performances and music and theater. UM. I started when I
was about thirteen, like heavily sketching and drawing ideas, and
probably when I was sixteen seventeen, I started playing around
with fabrics and trying to bring some of my artwork
to life. UM went to fit and right after high
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school started my own clothing line. My background was truly
in fashion design, and that's what I've always wanted to do. UM.
I studied couture, I started McQueen's work for many years. UM,
and then slowly, you know, hustling my way around, started
working with a lot of stylists. UM. Of course, you know,
just producing one of the kind pieces, working all hours
(16:58):
of the night, you know, having three jobs on the side,
trying to really make it work. And slowly the journeys
started unfolding itself, and I started teaming up with stylists
that were more music heavy, and we're doing stage performances
and a word show performances. And I started with the
dancers and then slowly kind of taking over the whole performances,
started working with artists and the supporting cast, and from
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their m X Factor that was my first TV show,
and from there on, I've kind of switched my journey
into custom design. Okay, check that out, and in what
particular challenges does the massing off as a costume designer
that you haven't had in the past. So every costume
for me is a challenge, you know. It's like I'll
do the artwork and come up with conceptual designs and
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then I look at it at night and I'm like,
oh man, okay, here here's a new one. How do
we do this? And then I think I've been able
and so lucky to surround myself with such an incredible
support team, you know, and our fabricators and builders and
my sowers. It's just right away the relationship and the
bonds that we have. It's almost like they understand my designs,
(18:07):
they understand my artwork, and from there, I'm so meticulous
about detail that until we get it right, I won't
let a costume go on stage. And I think every
like I said, every costume for me is a challenge,
you know. Um, everybody type that we're working with is different.
Everyone's preferences are different, and then their safety, you know,
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and all these things that you never really think about
until the show comes to life, is how can I
make it better? How can I allow you to perform,
you know, and and execute the life to these costumes,
so it's not just making it pretty and incredible. And
I myself do try out these masks once they're built,
and everybody is so different, Like you said, everybody has preferences,
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and of course breathing and vision is so important, and
it's still a challenge for me. You know. We're still
trying to figure out new ways to build these masks,
and because it's not something that we're used to. It's
not something that you put on every day, so you're
accustomed to it, and not everyone's vision is perfect, you know.
I've had to compensate certain talent that wanted to wear
glasses underneath the masks, and then that changes our built
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and we have to create room for that. And I see, like,
is it something if somebody's claustrophobic. I've learned over the
process that I have to build the mass closer to
the face so they don't feel like they're breathing in
their own oxygen. You know. I think even the best
example was the Monster season one. It's the first time
we made something that was like a cylinder costume. And
then when he got into it, the first ten minutes,
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everything was great, and then after a while he was like, man, like,
I really feel like I'm stuck in here, you know.
So immediately after his first performance, we had to take
the costume back and open it from the back and
create vents behind the fur that nobody got to see.
But it helped me. It educated me what to do
when we're dealing with heavier fabrics, you know. So he
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was like a great example of somebody being able to
perform once and then right away we had to figure
out how to fix the costume on the spot. I'm
no one question I have for you, because you know,
this season I'm watching and I'm like, I'm like, yo,
baby alien, He's he's sitting in the helmet, and how
in the world I'm And I'm just sitting here thinking,
(20:17):
And then I'm watching what's McCall And I'm like, all right,
this is okay. Now it's oh my goodness, where do
you draw like the inspiration for these characters? Oh? Man,
you know, it's everywhere. I feel like this show gave
me the platform to run wild with imagination and things
that I see every day are just so interesting and
(20:38):
unique to me that I try to figure out what
can we do different every season? And with season four
it was an interesting kind of process because we're stuck
in this pandemic, you know, the world is in an
uneasy place, and we're all so limited. I'm limited on resources,
you know, I'm not able to go into the fabrics
(20:58):
I wanna visit or things that I want to get.
So I think like almost magic happened with season four,
where it took me back to the basics, you know,
and and drawing inspiration from my childhood and drawing inspiration
from my friends and family members and audience, you know,
what worked the past three seasons, and what can I
really do that's interesting enough to you know, bring a
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puppet aspect to the show, but at the same time,
make it ours, make it unique. And I started watching
a lot of Sesame Street with my kids, and I
was like, oh, okay, so I got to make something
that's like super kid friendly and and fun and interesting.
And right away we started dealing with different fabrications and
using chrome paint, and once that happened, it's kind of
(21:43):
spaceship idea came about. And then bringing the little alien
almost like our version of a baby Yoda, you know, um,
and the challenges with it were so incredible because it's like,
how do you convince somebody like yourself to be like,
by the way, you're going in this massive spaceship and
you're gonna puppet while you sing and while you dance,
And somehow creatively it just came together. And I think
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Mark was so incredible to take it a step further
and really take it on his own to practice, you know,
how to use a puppet, and then that helped me
build the costume. And that's where that importance of collaboration
comes together with our talent, because once I know what
they're willing to do, I can then take it a
step further and make it, you know, magical and really
push the envelope. And I can kind of, you know,
(22:30):
tap into that because I remember my sneakers, my sneakers
on season three, you know, I was wearing the dress
like the fifty Mob shoe, the black and white shoe
was the was my primary shoe. But I know you
remember this because we had to talk to Fox about it,
but I wanted to for a specific song for the
Cris Cars Jump record. I'm like, yoans a rap record.
(22:52):
I want to wear sneakers because I gotta jump and
I don't know if I feel safe jumping in sliding
dancing shoes. I might slid off and I don't know
land on somebody somewhere. So yeah, so uh, there is
a little teamwork effort once, you know, a little rutle
request can be made, right, you know. I am so
open to that. I think what's so cool about the
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show is we're bringing these characters to life, you know,
and right away the introduced all these unique elements. But
then what's also important, and it's important for me to designers,
how do we execute that? How does it make sense
for somebody that is a performer to be able to
go full out and not be so you know, constructed
(23:34):
by this mask or this costume. So there's so many
elements that I am completely open to suggestions and and
and want to see it come to life and want
to see that movement and want to see that performance.
And I think that's the beauty of the show, you know,
is there's so many elements that I'm learning how to
interchange and intermix. And even for season four, UM, I
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started like almost tweaking the costumes to the point where
they could be almost in aversable, you know, and interchangeable,
to where it's like, somebody's not just married to this
big gown, but when they want to rock out, I
need to have a backup. I need to still keep
the character and still keep this like incredible almost um
visual on stage, but give somebody that comfort and support
(24:18):
to truly be able to be unique and be themselves.
And I think that's key too. It's like, yes, we're
putting masks on our talent and we're creating this world.
But at the same time, there's still so much more
to that costume because it matters who'san's side, you know.
And we did that with Monster for season one, you know.
With t Pain, it's like we started out with the
shell of a character, and then all of a sudden,
(24:41):
I started being so inspired by his musical choices that
I'm like, oh, man, like we're missing something, We're missing
a story because the costumes sometimes is the first thing
people see. Oh my gosh, I just want to give
you a big with all your eighteen little arms. You
are just so adorable and lovable. You know, before you
(25:03):
even put that mike into your mouth, there has to
be a story or like this ambience that's that's gonna
show us with what we're about to see. And I
started playing with little elements and dressing up my monster,
and then it just makes sense, you know that sometimes
in the process of the show, we have to come
up with ways to like really musically enhance the costume
(25:24):
and let the performance just live just like that. And
this is what I want to know as a fan
and not even as the host of the podcast, just
a fan question. What happens to the outfits once once
once they're gone, because the celebrities don't get to keep them. Um,
the show does keep all the costumes from all the seasons,
and UM, you know, various things happen. We've had the
(25:48):
privilege to be featured in multiple museums. Um, there's many
times that the costumes go out on the road, and
there's many promotional materials for follow up seasons or the
season right after. Um that they do start living in
beautiful places, you know, And we've done like so many
displays where the kids got to see them, you know.
And the one thing like that's like my hopeful plan
(26:11):
is at some point, you know, I would love for
Fox to do some sort of Massinger museum. Um. You know,
you've seen them in person. There's so much work and
so much detail that I think doesn't even translate properly
on television. You know that unless you see them in person,
you start paying attention to all the detail. Um, that
(26:31):
it would be nice, you know, at some point to
see all of them kind of be grouped together and
present it to the public. That would be really really fly.
That would be really because I know, I'm like, you
put all his hard work and to make it the Yeah,
I might give a meranic she can't even keep that
and I cry. But you know that that is like
the hope that I have for the show that maybe
(26:52):
some someday in the future it would be really nice,
um to kind of all of us to collaborate together,
because I think it has affected the public so much,
you know, And it's not just the number one show
because it's unlike any competition. I think it's also number
one show because it's filled with so much art, you know,
and so much talent and so much just a beautiful
expression of voices and music and celebration on stage that
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I think it should continue on and inspire people and
even pass the show, you know, and it definitely will,
it definitely will. I gotta thank you, and of course
the podcast listeners, I'm gonna thank your they have too,
because you know, information like this is useful. They love
to hear the insights, and you know, we always see
what we're what we're being shown on TV, so to
get even a more glimpse of what happens behind the
(27:39):
scenes is is definitely dope. And I appreciate you, appreciate,
get you, and thank you so much. Have a beautiful day,
you guys, Stay safe and healthy. Now the moment you
all been waiting on, man, listen, I know why you
guys listen. It's not because I'm on here host and
I know that I know. It's these clues. I know
what you guys really like. So let's go and dive
(28:01):
right into it. Man. Exclusive to our heart listeners and
all of our super fans all around the world, it
is time for tonight's exclusive clue. And uh, you know,
a couple of weeks ago, you know your boy boun
I'm always had guests coming through the show, right, because
it's just hot like that, and we talked to the
clues are that's right. But this week we're gonna switch
it up because I got the counterparty to day. That's right.
(28:22):
As counterparties. Here, I'm talking about clue Queen, Clue queen,
and you're in the fielding what's going on? Oh my gosh, Frog,
I'm here. How are you doing. I'm doing good? You know,
I'm doing real good to Frog, smelling good, got my
Frog cologne on. I'm all right today. I'm feeling real good.
How you doing? Oh my gosh, I'm doing so great.
I'm so happy to be here, especially with some exclusive clues,
(28:45):
and I can't wait to talk about, you know, this
week's episode. All right, coach, let's go and dive into
it because I know that people been waiting. This is
what they're listening for. What's the most important trick to
putting together a good clue package? How do you put
all of this information together and give us what you know?
What we love? There's the clues. Honestly, you have to
like become one with the person, not just the celebrity,
(29:07):
but the costume. You really kind of have to, like
I don't know, become one with that character and live
in that character. And that's kind of how the way
that we come up with our frameworks and our creatives
and our stories is we not only do tons of research,
We watch interviews, we watched movies, we listen to music,
We really, um, you know, you have to you know,
become one, for example, with the frog um. And so
(29:31):
you know, we've studied you for such a long time.
It came up with all these great clues for you.
You're you have a a foot loose package, which is
one of my favorite packages of all time. UM. And
we just try to always push push the boundaries and
be super weird and super fun and get people excited
and help tell your story. Right. Okay, So how do
(29:51):
you go about getting the clues out there without giving
up too much information? How do you manage to put
it like right and front of our face where we
can guess it but it's not what we think it is.
How do you know when you can't go too far
without giving up too much info? But that's the hardest
part of the show, you know, That's that's the trickiest thing,
(30:13):
is that we have everything we want people to not
feel like it's too hard, but we never wanted to
be too easy. So we have to kind of every
single word, every single visual, we have to craft and
make sure that no matter what, we're being true to
the celebrity, being true to their story, but also kind
of like you know, leading people down some other roads,
(30:35):
getting people away from from you. Right. Um. So it's
it's really really hard and we take it very seriously
and we always have. Um, you know, some really tricky
clues are deep cut clues for you know the redditors
out there. Halla. Um. But no, it's it's really tough,
and it's taken you know, a few seasons to really
get the formula right now. And and how long does
(30:58):
it take for you to put a clue packs together? Oh,
it can take anywhere from like four months to three days,
depending on when someone is cast. Um. But no, it's
you know, it was it's there's not really a time
I mean, I you know, i'd say usually a few weeks, um,
just to kind of figure it out and come up
with a plan. And we like to come up with
(31:18):
whoever is coming onto the show, we like to think
about their whole season, um, Right, So we don't want
to kind of do random packages with random clues like
for you. It was great because we started off in
this kind of like forties newspaper dance world, and then
we kind of you know, the detective packages, and then
we kind of had you with like a clue murder board,
(31:39):
which was really fun daughter and dancing. So we really
wanted to have kind of, you know, an arc to
clues so it could take a while. You definitely do
your thing. And what I want to know is this
you you you've got some inside and follow lips. The
clue package. We've seen that and obviously it was Wendy Williams,
you know who was unmake tonight please all right, let's
(32:11):
go all right? So we had a baby kangaroo or
a joey, right, that's a baby kangaroo is called the Joey.
So because who else shares her catchphrase from Friends with Us?
How you go with but persons? Right? How you going? Um?
So that was a fun one. There were clues from
her talk show everywhere, so we had a leopard print
(32:31):
roller skate for her shoecam segment ucause he loves leopard
print fire for arguably her most famous segment topics, and
here the title of her many bestselling books, Wendy's Got
the Heat. Um, you mentioned the high scream Scoop, So
that was for her segment inside Scoop. So those are
a whole bunch of different segments that she does on
her show. Yeah. So then but literally we also, you know,
(32:55):
we did work people to be able to guess her,
so we literally she said she had strong opinions and
a big mouth, which you know, I mean she does.
She's like, you know queens, she's done the queen. I mean,
she's like the premier celebrity news queen. So then we
heard her say that she's been shocking the public for
decades and saw her literally get shocked by electricity, both
(33:16):
because she was a radio shock jock or stock jock
at I should say, um, and then we thought, okay,
this is one of my favorites. We saw a disco
ball with disco fries made iconic on Jersey Shore, where
she's from because she was born Asbury Park, New Jersey,
hence the number twelve Sports Jersey. By the way, number
twelve Sports Jersey because she's had twelve seasons of her show,
(33:39):
So that's a really fun one, and then the biggest one,
one of my favorites there was the West Wing snack Bart,
which people were like online people like her that amar
Rosas at Majellaba, all kind of crazy guesses. But it
was all about those double w's for her initials, Wendy Williams. Yes,
those are those are the pits of her package. Oh,
(34:02):
I would just like, I don't I'm lost words you
just every clue you gave me, I'm like, I'm trying
to pin it the wind. I would have never gotten this.
I would have never last thing. I would have said, Okay,
the White House, I don't know. Yeah, And it's all
about the vibe of the person to write, Like she
told us she loves to listen to disco, so like,
(34:22):
let's put her at a disco roller rink. I mean,
what's more fun than that. She's funge, she's over the top,
she's ridiculous and and and embraces that and everyone loves
that about her. So that's really what we tried to
encapsulate with her clues and and yeah, but no, to
your point, I mean that's the kind of stuff that
that we started out doing. Like let's put a TV
because they're on TV. But then people would get it
(34:42):
so fast and they're like, Okay, no, we gotta do
gotta take it to the next level. Clue queen, he
had to tone him a voice, right, so you know,
you know next you know, you know we've been talking
for a little bit. You know when they won't, you know,
they won't the glue. So befar, let you out the door.
You gotta give me this week's clue. Go ahead and
(35:06):
lay it out for us. Okay, this week's clue. It's
for jelly Fu and the clue is so Frog. Everyone
knows you can freestyle, but guess what, so can our
girl jelly Fish she can jam or well jelly she
You got me thinking about this clue queen out now
now when you leave, I'm gonna be think. I'm gonna
(35:27):
really be thinking about this one right now. I hope
those little wheels are just spinning all day, just thinking
who can it be? Who can they really really are?
And I wish I could keep you longer because I
would definitely try to string out another clue, But I
know you ain't gonna give me too much. I know,
give me this. Yeah, so we'll we'll take this so
clue queen, thank you so much for chiming in and
(35:50):
giving us that weekly clue. You know we need that,
We need that. Thank you, Frog if you're the best, alright,
So that is a rat man, Let me go ahead,
just thank everybody for tuning in. Man join me next
Wednesday with the next unmasked singer. Who will it be?
I don't know, but it's gonna be somebody, I can
tell you that much. And as always, I'm bringing you
(36:11):
all the inside scoop and another exclusive clue. The official
master of the podcast is a production of our Heart
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