January 30, 2023 • 35 mins
Onscreen, Mo Brings Plenty plays Rainwater’s right-hand man on the Broken Rock Reservation, but off-screen he plays a much deeper role in the Yellowstone franchise as the coordinator for American Indian Affairs. Mo discusses how he works behind the scenes with Taylor Sheridan to ensure the series appropriately represents Native culture, from the American Indian Boarding School in “1923” to Kayce’s spiritual journey in Season 4 of “Yellowstone”.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jefferson White.
I'm joined as always by Jen Landon. We've got a
great conversation for you today, and a little later we
have an amazing guest for you today. I am so
excited for this conversation. This is a conversation that's gonna
span Yellowstone nineteen twenty three, eighteen eighty three from a
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perspective that you haven't heard yet. We're going to talk
to Moe Brings plenty right after this.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey, guys, we want to welcome you back to the
Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jen Landon, and we missed everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's been too long. Yeah, we've had a few weeks off.
We haven't recorded for a couple of weeks. And also,
I'm gonna be really honest with you, there hasn't been
an episode of Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know the extended Yellowstone universe for going on a
couple of weeks now, and it feels like an eternity.
I feel incredibly I feel like the beautiful world of Montana,
the American West, this sort of fantasy that I live
for every week. In the absence of it, I feel
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a little depressed.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I you know, nineteen twenty three might be actually
like my first experience with true obsession with one of
these shows. I obviously love all of the shows. It's
hard for me to watch myself as an actor, so
I don't run to the Yellowstone, you know, right when
it airs, because I have to take some anti anxiety
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meds beforehand. But nineteen twenty three, without that airing, I
am feeling incredibly I'm not settled, I'm not happy. I'm
a shittier person to the people around me. I don't
know what we're going to do.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, it's going to be a while, but thankfully we
have each other. And it sounds like, you know, you've
been exploring at least one coping mechanism, which is that
you went on a trip. Will you tell me about
your trip, your own little odyssey?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, you're right, I have been coping. I
ran all the way to Europe. I went to London,
and I went to Paris, and I got to practice
my French, which is really rad. Apparently, I feel like
half the time the Parisians were like, you just speak
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English and don't ruin our language.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh but no, actually, Parisians are so nice. And I
have to tell you I vaguely remember that when I
was little that like them being very all like up
their own ass. They are so kind, which means that
the people of la have become so horrible that they
make regions look sweet. Our producer is laughing, because our
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producer is laughing because he is from l A or
lived in l at somebody, and like he has moved
outside of the county line and drives incredibly far. His
life is totally inconvenient, and it's just so he doesn't
have to be in l A. Scott, can you put
your mic on and tell me if that's correct or not.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He won't do it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He refuses to do it, and he has he make
sure any this is a nicely flattering description of him,
so maybe he'll leave it in the edit. Gen I
would be remiss on behalf of our audience if I
did not ask you to A speak a little French
and B speak a little French in a teeter voice.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, I mean Francis Francis laxandle frances Canadian perscu gebidi
quebec quebe Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I just want you guys out there to understand that
that that's the actor that you know as Teeter on Yellowstone.
I don't know how to speak beautiful French.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I had a teacher tell me that they preferred me
when I spoke French, that I was this like sweet,
lovely thing, and then when I spoke English, I was
an obnoxious, horrible person, which I think is true. And
I speak French in a Teeter hold long, how long?
Go be a fucking second? Oh yeah, bonjour tie for
I know, I go fuck you?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
What?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I thank you?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
French? Like her, it goes full circle and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
From your lips to Taylor Sheridan's ears god Willing. Season
five be of Yellowstone the second half of season five.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Not season five, But if we go to season seventeen,
storylines might have to get real weird.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
French cowboys show up to compete in a rodeo and
Teter speaks fluent furniture and listen, and you know, we're
putting it out there just so them.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
While we're on this theme, I'm thinking French Yellowstone, right,
Like in our show what We've Decided, people are shot
and beat up all the time, like that's just what happens.
And in the French version. They just slap each other.
They challenge each other to a glove duel. They just
slap it.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You slap.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I think this is I think this is money print
it me too, print it, Jen, That's incredible. I'm also
so so glad you're back. I missed you very much selfishly,
while you were on your beautiful journey of self discovery
across Europe. I was sitting alone in my basement with
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this podcast microphone, just waiting for you to log back in.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Lies Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No, that's that's that's all I did. I've been here.
I've been here for the the what like two hundred
and fifty six hours intervening.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I had serious fomo because I wasn't sure if you
guys were recording a bunch of things without me.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So we did. We recorded six or seven episodes, and
then Scott. Scott realized that how incredibly boring it was.
He said something to me about I think his exact
words were, your voice is so annoying and we cannot
use any.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
One's even gonna believe that because look at the Apple.
I don't want to exclude Spotify, whatever wherever you get
your podcasts. The people we always say at the end.
But the reviews I can only read on Apple and
all of all of the reviews, Jeff, talk about your
beautiful voice, Jed.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It is as always a joy to talk to you.
But we've got an audience out there who is as
hungry for Yellowstone as we are. They miss it the
same way we do. So for them, I feel very,
very happy to say that we've got an incredible guest today.
We're going to dive into all things Yellowstone eighteen eighty three,
nineteen twenty three with a man with an incredible unique
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perspective on the whole thing. We've got Mo brings plenty
with us today. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Mo, it's a great honor to always be to spend
time with you guys. It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I just want to like paint a picture a little
bit for the listeners. So we are talking to Mo
right now, and Mo is pulled over in his truck
with his sweetie Sarah, and and you are on. Tell
me a little bit. You started, tell me you are
on your way to Texas to pick up horses.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, I'm going to go to Texas And we're doing
a little bit with past reeveson and then I'm going
to pick load up our horses, hook our trailer up,
and then get them back to Kansas.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
That's some cowboys shit right there. So that is really
a perfect illustration for the audience that Moe is the
real deal. Mo really lives this life. He's been ranch
rodeoing for a long long time. We had a chance
to talk about that last year, Mo. But for folks
who are just joining us now, also, Yellowstone's audience gets
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bigger every year. Very lucky about that. So for folks
that don't know you, who didn't have a chance to
hear our last episode, will you just talk about your
background a little bit and how you wound up on Yellowstone.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I was born and raised on I was born on
a pinergen In reservation in South Dakota, but I like
to say that I was raised in Lakota Country because
my mother, she's from Shine River, and we have relatives
on a Rosebud reservation as well, so I spent time
on all three reservations. I moved my travel enrollment over
to the Shine River reservation that my mom's from because
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she's Mini.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Kosia la Quota.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
My father's Oglala Lakota, and I spent a lot of
time just growing up as a kid riding horses and
started rodeoing. That was kind of my ticket way off
to adventure out beyond the reservation border towns and got
to meet some real amazing folks in the rodeo world
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and just fell in love with it and been still
in love with it, wishing I was young again to
be able to do some rough stock riding. But now
I just ride green broke ponies at home.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
And try it and hope like heck, I don't get
bucked off. And and because it's it's not the fall
that gets you, it's that sudden stop. They call it
a landing, but it's a sudden stop. That's that's the
that's the part that gets to you and kind of
sometimes takes the wind away from you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So it feels like you can't breathe for a while.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Hope, like when that happens, you hope, like heck that
no one sees it, sees it, And so yeah, it's
always embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
MO. I can't. I can speak for myself, and I
am maybe gonna be able to speak for Jeff too.
I don't know if either one of us like this
is how you know we are leads. We are so
far away from being real cowboys. Ever. I have not
on off a horse, Jeff yet have.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You don't say it out loud, Jen, don't say it
out loud.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We've been lucky, I understand, but I feel like it's
this thing that it like it's it's gotta happen, right Mo.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Of course it has to. That's that's when you can
really say, Okay, I'm a horseback rider.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You're supposed to have that experience when you're a kid.
You're supposed to have those experiences when you're young. On
the show, they say, when you've got rubber bones, Jen,
we are too old to fall off a horse for
the first time.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Actually, no, you're not too old, because that happened to
me not long ago, and so it still happens. I
for some reason, my mind hasn't caught up to my
body yet. I still think I'm sixteen. I still think
I'm invincible. I still think I can do all of
these things. But when it comes down to it, I
you know, I know, it hits the fan and I'm thinking,
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oh my god, what am I doing to myself?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So for anybody that doesn't know Moe also serves as
the consultant and coordinator on nineteen twenty three for American
Indian Affairs. So you're very involved in the teaching of
that history, and in nineteen twenty three particularly, we're seeing
an incredibly painful, a sort of very ugly chapter of
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that history. Will you talk about how you came to
be involved as the coordinator and sort of in your capacity?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Now, you know, I really honestly owe everything of where
I'm at today to the Sheridan family, to Taylor and Nicole.
You know, it's Taylor's created has this space, and he
allowed me to occupy the space and be me. And
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in the past that's that's was never welcoming. But Taylor's
changed that, and again I owe it all to him.
And so I looked at nineteen twenty three and I
knew what it was going to be about as I
was reading the scripts. I had a general idea of it,
and I was like, Man, do I really want to
go back to that space and to that moment and
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to that memory.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But I thought, we have to do this.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I have to be a part of this because it
is necessary. It is necessary because society has almost forgotten
that where we as American Indian people that have been
through that and experienced it, whether it's through loved ones ourselves,
we can't forget about that. And so the more that
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society understands the treatment of our what what had happened
to us as the people, then maybe they will begin
to understand who we are and it will also begin
to humanize us even more as American Indian people. Moments
that I had to get up and walk away from
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the monitors and just go be by myself, and I'm
not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I wept. I wept, and and.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Then I just have to look around and see the
the crew, Thank goodness, they're so amazing, and see them
and just be like, Okay, yeah, we're just doing a show.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
But for me, it's not just a show. It's it
was our lives. And and so I just had to get.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Back around the good, amazing crew that we're so fortunate
to work with and share some laughs again and get
back into that into that space and go back even
our background, our young little children that were off the reservations. Wow,
they they nailed it and it felt good and we
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just became a family unit, you know, with all with
each other and supportive. We're all from different tribes, but
we all been through this and and so it was
even the folks that played the nuns the priest.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
That For me, when I meet people today, that's why
I wear my braids every single day. You know, when
I meet them, I remember and I know, but I
meet them with the smile and I shake their hands.
I acknowledge them, but I acknowledge them and introduced myself
with my own language, just kind of a way to say, yeah,
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we've been through that, but we're still here, and here
we are together.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
What can we do together?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Put our minds together, work together, no longer judge one another,
but work together to make a better future, a better
tomorrow for all people.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I gotta say, mo, I think I speak for myself.
I'm sure I speak for much of our audience too.
I also, in watching those scenes in nineteen twenty three,
it makes me weep. It's an incredibly painful history to confront.
And I have no doubt that the burden of showing
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that history and carrying that history is a very heavy burden.
But I hope that you know I have been I
have to admit a very naive throughout my life about
this history. And I have to say that for me,
the experience of working on Yellowstone, the experience of watching
eighteen eighty three and nineteen twenty three, I'm going to
carry that history with me now too, you know, in
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order to reach As you spoke about the joy of
coming back together, to find this joy of unity, it
does feel like one of the steps is being honest
about the history. And I hope that you feel that
your work being honest about this history is an important
step towards coming together in the now, in the present.
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We're so grateful to have Mo with us today. We're
going to keep this conversation going right after this.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I don't know why this made me think of, like, Mo,
you look amazing. It was the critics' choice of wards
just recently, right, Is this where Golden Globes got?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I keep up to date guys with the award shows.
Either way, whicheverone was giving out awards, you looked amazing.
Thank you very much, amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well, I was there on behalf of all of us,
and I was there honestly, when I was backstage, I
was thinking about all them young kids, that them young
boys that are growing their hair long and try to
represent their culture and that are going through their struggles
and doubts. I was thinking, you know, I hope they're
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watching this so they can see that it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It also feels like where we left off. Where we
left off, this season also feels like there's kind of
new and intro sting threats on the reservation. Particularly, it
feels like Angela Blue Thunder, who I must say Moe
was wary of from the very beginning. I feel like
Moe was warning Rainwater about Angela Blue Thunder before we
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ever met that character. So I think that, you know,
Moe was right about that one. Because Angela Blue Thunder
has really turned on Rainwater and now there's this young
political threat Martin kills Many. There's this like sort of
political plot kind of brewing against Rainwater on the Reds.
So I'm so excited to see the role that Moe
plays in hopefully helping Rainwater navigate this challenge because it's
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a unique we haven't seen Rainwater and Moe have to
face this kind of internal threat before, you know, and
I am.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
So glad that that has been brought up into the show.
Because it is something that does happen, truthfully, every single
day in Indian country on reservations, and so yeah, I'm
really excited and anxious too to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Been real because then.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
The first thought that came to my mind was, well,
I got a sidle up zarrow and get ready drags
more folks. But you know that may not be the
answer here, and so you know, but it's it's like,
it's it's gonna be really exciting to see how this
all unfolds. And I'm just pumped about it. Honestly, It's
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gonna be something that it's a legitimate deal. We see
it all the time, and so now we get to
expose this to society and see how it's gonna unfold
for everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, that incredible. I also I feel like I should
mention in season four of Yellowstone, as Casey kind of
goes on this personal spiritual journey, he turns to mow
and turns to rain water for guidance in that spiritual journey,
will you talk about the process of as as that
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was showing up in the script. Were you working alongside
Tailor in terms of what that journey looked like? What
would you talk a little bit about what Casey was
doing in season four?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Okay, look, first of all, we're gonna be talking about
Taylor Sheridan.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Taylor Sheridan is such a he's such a history buff.
I mean, he he does his homework.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
And and second of all, Taylor Sheridan has been with
my people. He's been through these ceremonies, He's been, you know,
a part of them, helping, and so he knows and
so Taylor knows quite a bit about about our culture
and so well, I didn't have to work.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
With him in that.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
All I had to do was simply put it together
in a way that it would show society, show the
viewers that we still do do this in our in
these days and and and and help them to understand it,
and then also set it up in a way that
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it's going to protect the original steps of the ceremony itself.
We left we left a lot of things out, and
we left songs out that are a part of that.
And and even in setting it up, there was clear
to the Buffalo rope how we did everything. There are
certain ways of doing things and how we put someone
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in that particular setting specifically, and and so for us,
for me, from that character Mo and what Casey was
going through and what he was seeing, he was constantly
seeing the wolf. And so for for that particular moment
was when he reached out, we saw rainwater and Mole.
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For me, how I translated was that they saw an
opportunity to bring him in, to help him to understand
of how to sort it out. And and so we
created this space for him so he could have that
moment and he saw his own struggles. I mean, as
we all watched, you know, we saw what he was
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struggling with with within his own mind. And then it
came down to him understanding the difference between his mind
and his heart and he began to follow his heart again.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And so that's what that.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Setting, that that scene was really primarily about. Casey's a
strong individual and and and we all know the strength
that he has and his abilities to push through and
carry on and keep pressing on, I should say, And
but he needed a moment to allow himself to be
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vulnerable within himself, and that's that scene gave him that space.
That particular setting gave him that space to be vulnerable,
and we saw what he went through.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, and it seems like he particularly needed that strength
going into the tragedy he faces right at the beginning
of season five, Like him and Monica really needed the
sort of strength of that tradition and that history, and
they leaned heavily on that strength and that sort of
knowledge of self to navigate the tragedy that faced them
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at the beginning of season five together.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Now exactly, I mean when they lost their little one.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I mean, you know, I buried three of my own
brothers when they were infants, and so that scene was
very realistic for me. I mean even you know, again,
we did some things that were not fully what we
normally do, but we gave an idea of some of
the steps in the processes that we go through and
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supporting individuals that lost loved ones, whether they're young or elderly,
and the people that were present. And part of that
was I mean the song, even the song. The song
was such a beautiful song. You know, it was a
traveling song. And so that my father and my brother
composed and created that we could do was so fortunate
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enough to use on a show. I mean, everything that
we do has meaning, and it's about those that are
still here and those that have made that transition and
traveling home, and so it's it's all part of it.
And so it's it's just a beautiful Life's just beautiful
all the way around.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Mo I have a question for you, and I'm sorry
if I missed it when you talked about leaving certain
things out making sure that what goes into the show
is accurate and filled with integrity, but then leaving certain
things out, is that for the protection of some of
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the processes, so that they can't be you know, abused
or misappropriated.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Most definitely, I mean, unfortunately, there's a lot of like
to say, spiritual predators out there, and so when they
view something, they would take that and they would you know,
included into their their their sales package and so and
and use it on people that are that are truly
in search of something in their own life, you know,
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and and part of their spiritual journey. And and so
it's it's no different regardless if it's what faith, it is,
it's in all aspects. And so we had to be
able to protect the culture and and the people that
the culture comes from. And so that was why we
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left so many things, you know, certain things out just
for that sake, you know, and also to protect those
people that are out there that were in search of
something in their lives, you know, that are on a
spiritual journey, and and so because in people are misled
and miss guide it. And so it's just part of
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what we do on Yellowstone. And Taylor understands and knows
that and the need and the importance of it, and
so does Michael Friedman. And I love them guys, you know,
I love everyone we've been working with, and so everyone's
been so understanding and so supportive of all of it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And so it's great, Mo.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Thank you so much again for joining us. We're going
to keep this conversation going right after this.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I feel like you have this sort of wise teacher
heart message that you carry in life, and I feel
it from you even when you know you and I
are just shooting the shit, like it's just something that
you sort of kind of you just sort of give
a gift to everybody that you come in contact with.
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And I feel like, am I wrong? It feel it
does feel like a conscious choice on your part to
move through the world that way.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know, You're absolutely right, Jen, because it is about
it's about educating, it's about teaching. It's about sharing, you know,
because we're we as American Indian people were still you know,
we can't change the past.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I mean, we can't even change five seconds ago. And
you know, but so I'm working towards educating people.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Why really it's re educating.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
We have to re educate society about who we are,
what we've become, what you know, where we're at, and
the direction we would like to go as as a whole,
and really life span about unity. It's about how do
we unify one another, regardless of race, regardless of faith,
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you know, because it's there's so much segregation in society today.
It's a shame and due to the fact that we
can't all get along and all can't at least be
in the same ballpark, you know, I feel that the
future for all of us as people is in jeopardy,
and so I try not to. I don't mean it
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to sound like it's a you know, it's a bummer.
Society is a downer.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
You know, there's a lot of beautiful things, and we
have so much in common regardless of where we live with,
regardless of what we're doing. What are you know what
we love doing because we all share the same planet
at the end of the day, and we have to
preserve something for the generations that are yet to come,
not just the children of today, but the generations.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That are yet to come.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And so I try to go through life, I always
ask myself this question, if I had thirty seconds to
address the entire world, what would I say? And knowing
that those thirty seconds could impact the world and the
people within it, and and so I always try to
think in that aspect and and try to guide my
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life in that way as well, you know, because it
is it's so important. I mean, you look at what
we do on Yellowstone. It's not just entertainment, you know,
it's educating. It's it's also inspiring, you know, and so
we inspire people to do things. And and so our
show is very heavy. I mean, thank goodness for your
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guys's character is because that's the enlightening part.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
And it brings you know, it brings.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Laughter and and it has that feel good and so
we we are always constantly educating and and so if
we're not continuously learning ourselves. This is my grandfather, my grandfather,
Philip brings plenty always said this, you will always be
a student of life as long as you're willing to learn,
and as when you're willing to learn, you're going to
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be able to teach others. And so other than that,
you become stagnant and what they call flat line. Basically,
you know, you got to have your ups and downs.
And my grandpa Cila Black Crow shared that he goes,
you got to have ups and downs in life, grandson,
And the reason why you have those ups and downs
in life is because it's a it's a good indication,
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it's a sign to you to let you know that
you are truly alive.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Just when you were talking there, I'd never seen the
mof so I feel like you're doing that thing again
where you're like you're changing me in this moment just
talking to you. You were talking about the ups and
downs and that when you're stagnant, they call it flat line,
and I just had this image of like a heart
monitor that when there are no ups and downs, it's
essentially you're just you're a little dead. You're a little
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bit like the walking dead. And I think that so much.
I find that unfortunately, so much of our days are
oftentimes spent in the pursuit of things that aren't going
to give us ups and downs because we don't want
to feel. But the important thing is to feel, is
to grow, is to learn, is to mess up.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You have to, I mean, you know, that's where it's
okay to make mistakes as long as we're learning, you know,
and we will never know what we where we're at,
where we're at, we will never know the growth of
ourselves if we don't make a mistake. And and so
it's fine to make mistakes as long as we understand
and know, Okay, all right, I'm not gonna do that again,
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and so we continue to grow. I mean, it's just
it's no different than riding a horse.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
If you do something on a horse and that horse
decides to break in two and buck you off, then
you're gonna know, okay, I know, not to do that
with that horse, because not every horse is the same,
you know, and and so you have to Each horse
has their own personality, and so you have to try
to understand those personalities and coexist with them and work
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together with them, you know. And so that's why I
love horses so much. They taught me.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
So much in that I got I had like so
many questions, but I'll start with the horse one and
then move back. One of the things that I felt
is that my life has been changed by working with
horses more and I come, you know, I don't have
that history. I'm wondering if there are certain things that
you might be able to pinpoint that you see as
a benefit from working with the animal, like the horse
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and being in relationship with it. I think it's something
that society is missing out on a lot the more
we become attached to technology, computers, et cetera, and leave
that other part behind, you.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Know, when it comes to horses. The point blank, I'm
going to go to a cultural traditional teaching. Horses are
the bridge between the physical and the spiritual. They are
what we consider our physical angels. And not only in
the physical life do they carry us and are they
there for us? But also and when we make that
transition in life into the next, they're the ones that
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are there. The greatest relationship that we've had with one
particular horse, that horse will also make that transition to
carry us home. And so the horse has taught me
self respect, It is taught me how to be able
to communicate or be observant and communicate without words. I
don't have to speak someone's language to understand their body language.
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And so the horse has taught me how to be
a leader and from in my own life, not be
a leader for others, but a leader in my own life.
Because we've been taught to be followers so much that
we don't know how to be a leader in our
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own lives. So we end up trying to follow our
own life. And when we follow our own life, we
end up just following whatever's thrown at us. And so
to be a leader, we know how to observe it
and make a decision, a proper decision.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And navigate a way through in that aspect.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
And so that's all teachings from the horses.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't want to take too much of your time
because you're out doing cowboy shit, and you know it'd
be just I don't want to get in the way
of that you mentioned earlier, a tenant that you live by,
this idea that you want to be ready if anybody
ever tells you, hey, you have thirty seconds to speak
to the whole world. And I hate to put you
on the spot because you've spent about forty minutes teaching us,
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telling us incredible things. But if I said you have
thirty seconds to speak to the whole world, what would
you say? What do you think distills all of your
worldview into thirty seconds?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Thirty seconds? Life is not just about yourself.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Understand and know it's about the children and the generations
to come.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And when we can fully.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Understand that, then we will understand and know that we
have the power and the ability to preserve and care for.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
The environment so we can pass it, pass on a
healthy world to them.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And understand and know that diversity is not just about
skin color. We have to embrace the cultural diversity. When
we embrace cultural diversity, then we truly have the ability
to acknowledge and embrace that the Creator is honestly perfect.
If it's just about skin color but not culture, then
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we are doubting.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That the Creator is truly perfect? Is that thirty seconds?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That was amazing perfect? Thank you so much for spending
this time with us today. Thank you for your friendship. Yeah,
thanks for pulling over on the highway on your way
now pick up a horse. Believe me, Yellowstone fans would
not want you to slow down. Yellowstone fans are grateful
that you're out there getting these shows made. Thank you,
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thank you, thank you for joining us, Moe. Thank you
for everything you do to bring the Yellowstone Universe to life.
Talk to you real soon.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
The Official Yellowstone Podcast is a production of one oh
one Studios and Paramount. This episode was produced by Scott Stone.
Brandon Goetchis is the head of Audio for one oh
one Studios. Steve Rasis is the executive vice president of
the Paramount Global Podcast Group. Special thanks to Megan Marcus,
Jeremy Westfall, Ainsley Rosito, Andrew Sarnow, Jason Red and Whitney
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Baxter from Paramount, and of course David Glasser, David Huckin
and Michelle Newman from one oh one Studios
Welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jefferson White.
I'm joined as always by Jen Landon. We've got a
great conversation for you today, and a little later we
have an amazing guest for you today. I am so
excited for this conversation. This is a conversation that's gonna
span Yellowstone nineteen twenty three, eighteen eighty three from a
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perspective that you haven't heard yet. We're going to talk
to Moe Brings plenty right after this.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey, guys, we want to welcome you back to the
Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jen Landon, and we missed everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's been too long. Yeah, we've had a few weeks off.
We haven't recorded for a couple of weeks. And also,
I'm gonna be really honest with you, there hasn't been
an episode of Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know the extended Yellowstone universe for going on a
couple of weeks now, and it feels like an eternity.
I feel incredibly I feel like the beautiful world of Montana,
the American West, this sort of fantasy that I live
for every week. In the absence of it, I feel
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a little depressed.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I you know, nineteen twenty three might be actually
like my first experience with true obsession with one of
these shows. I obviously love all of the shows. It's
hard for me to watch myself as an actor, so
I don't run to the Yellowstone, you know, right when
it airs, because I have to take some anti anxiety
(01:44):
meds beforehand. But nineteen twenty three, without that airing, I
am feeling incredibly I'm not settled, I'm not happy. I'm
a shittier person to the people around me. I don't
know what we're going to do.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, it's going to be a while, but thankfully we
have each other. And it sounds like, you know, you've
been exploring at least one coping mechanism, which is that
you went on a trip. Will you tell me about
your trip, your own little odyssey?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, you're right, I have been coping. I
ran all the way to Europe. I went to London,
and I went to Paris, and I got to practice
my French, which is really rad. Apparently, I feel like
half the time the Parisians were like, you just speak
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English and don't ruin our language.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh but no, actually, Parisians are so nice. And I
have to tell you I vaguely remember that when I
was little that like them being very all like up
their own ass. They are so kind, which means that
the people of la have become so horrible that they
make regions look sweet. Our producer is laughing, because our
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producer is laughing because he is from l A or
lived in l at somebody, and like he has moved
outside of the county line and drives incredibly far. His
life is totally inconvenient, and it's just so he doesn't
have to be in l A. Scott, can you put
your mic on and tell me if that's correct or not.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He won't do it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He refuses to do it, and he has he make
sure any this is a nicely flattering description of him,
so maybe he'll leave it in the edit. Gen I
would be remiss on behalf of our audience if I
did not ask you to A speak a little French
and B speak a little French in a teeter voice.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, I mean Francis Francis laxandle frances Canadian perscu gebidi
quebec quebe Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I just want you guys out there to understand that
that that's the actor that you know as Teeter on Yellowstone.
I don't know how to speak beautiful French.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I had a teacher tell me that they preferred me
when I spoke French, that I was this like sweet,
lovely thing, and then when I spoke English, I was
an obnoxious, horrible person, which I think is true. And
I speak French in a Teeter hold long, how long?
Go be a fucking second? Oh yeah, bonjour tie for
I know, I go fuck you?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
What?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I thank you?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
French? Like her, it goes full circle and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
From your lips to Taylor Sheridan's ears god Willing. Season
five be of Yellowstone the second half of season five.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Not season five, But if we go to season seventeen,
storylines might have to get real weird.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
French cowboys show up to compete in a rodeo and
Teter speaks fluent furniture and listen, and you know, we're
putting it out there just so them.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
While we're on this theme, I'm thinking French Yellowstone, right,
Like in our show what We've Decided, people are shot
and beat up all the time, like that's just what happens.
And in the French version. They just slap each other.
They challenge each other to a glove duel. They just
slap it.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You slap.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I think this is I think this is money print
it me too, print it, Jen, That's incredible. I'm also
so so glad you're back. I missed you very much selfishly,
while you were on your beautiful journey of self discovery
across Europe. I was sitting alone in my basement with
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this podcast microphone, just waiting for you to log back in.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Lies Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No, that's that's that's all I did. I've been here.
I've been here for the the what like two hundred
and fifty six hours intervening.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I had serious fomo because I wasn't sure if you
guys were recording a bunch of things without me.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So we did. We recorded six or seven episodes, and
then Scott. Scott realized that how incredibly boring it was.
He said something to me about I think his exact
words were, your voice is so annoying and we cannot
use any.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
One's even gonna believe that because look at the Apple.
I don't want to exclude Spotify, whatever wherever you get
your podcasts. The people we always say at the end.
But the reviews I can only read on Apple and
all of all of the reviews, Jeff, talk about your
beautiful voice, Jed.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It is as always a joy to talk to you.
But we've got an audience out there who is as
hungry for Yellowstone as we are. They miss it the
same way we do. So for them, I feel very,
very happy to say that we've got an incredible guest today.
We're going to dive into all things Yellowstone eighteen eighty three,
nineteen twenty three with a man with an incredible unique
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perspective on the whole thing. We've got Mo brings plenty
with us today. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Mo, it's a great honor to always be to spend
time with you guys. It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I just want to like paint a picture a little
bit for the listeners. So we are talking to Mo
right now, and Mo is pulled over in his truck
with his sweetie Sarah, and and you are on. Tell
me a little bit. You started, tell me you are
on your way to Texas to pick up horses.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, I'm going to go to Texas And we're doing
a little bit with past reeveson and then I'm going
to pick load up our horses, hook our trailer up,
and then get them back to Kansas.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
That's some cowboys shit right there. So that is really
a perfect illustration for the audience that Moe is the
real deal. Mo really lives this life. He's been ranch
rodeoing for a long long time. We had a chance
to talk about that last year, Mo. But for folks
who are just joining us now, also, Yellowstone's audience gets
(08:08):
bigger every year. Very lucky about that. So for folks
that don't know you, who didn't have a chance to
hear our last episode, will you just talk about your
background a little bit and how you wound up on Yellowstone.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I was born and raised on I was born on
a pinergen In reservation in South Dakota, but I like
to say that I was raised in Lakota Country because
my mother, she's from Shine River, and we have relatives
on a Rosebud reservation as well, so I spent time
on all three reservations. I moved my travel enrollment over
to the Shine River reservation that my mom's from because
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she's Mini.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Kosia la Quota.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
My father's Oglala Lakota, and I spent a lot of
time just growing up as a kid riding horses and
started rodeoing. That was kind of my ticket way off
to adventure out beyond the reservation border towns and got
to meet some real amazing folks in the rodeo world
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and just fell in love with it and been still
in love with it, wishing I was young again to
be able to do some rough stock riding. But now
I just ride green broke ponies at home.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
And try it and hope like heck, I don't get
bucked off. And and because it's it's not the fall
that gets you, it's that sudden stop. They call it
a landing, but it's a sudden stop. That's that's the
that's the part that gets to you and kind of
sometimes takes the wind away from you.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So it feels like you can't breathe for a while.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Hope, like when that happens, you hope, like heck that
no one sees it, sees it, And so yeah, it's
always embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
MO. I can't. I can speak for myself, and I
am maybe gonna be able to speak for Jeff too.
I don't know if either one of us like this
is how you know we are leads. We are so
far away from being real cowboys. Ever. I have not
on off a horse, Jeff yet have.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You don't say it out loud, Jen, don't say it
out loud.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We've been lucky, I understand, but I feel like it's
this thing that it like it's it's gotta happen, right Mo.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Of course it has to. That's that's when you can
really say, Okay, I'm a horseback rider.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You're supposed to have that experience when you're a kid.
You're supposed to have those experiences when you're young. On
the show, they say, when you've got rubber bones, Jen,
we are too old to fall off a horse for
the first time.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Actually, no, you're not too old, because that happened to
me not long ago, and so it still happens. I
for some reason, my mind hasn't caught up to my
body yet. I still think I'm sixteen. I still think
I'm invincible. I still think I can do all of
these things. But when it comes down to it, I
you know, I know, it hits the fan and I'm thinking,
(10:53):
oh my god, what am I doing to myself?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So for anybody that doesn't know Moe also serves as
the consultant and coordinator on nineteen twenty three for American
Indian Affairs. So you're very involved in the teaching of
that history, and in nineteen twenty three particularly, we're seeing
an incredibly painful, a sort of very ugly chapter of
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that history. Will you talk about how you came to
be involved as the coordinator and sort of in your capacity?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Now, you know, I really honestly owe everything of where
I'm at today to the Sheridan family, to Taylor and Nicole.
You know, it's Taylor's created has this space, and he
allowed me to occupy the space and be me. And
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in the past that's that's was never welcoming. But Taylor's
changed that, and again I owe it all to him.
And so I looked at nineteen twenty three and I
knew what it was going to be about as I
was reading the scripts. I had a general idea of it,
and I was like, Man, do I really want to
go back to that space and to that moment and
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to that memory.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But I thought, we have to do this.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I have to be a part of this because it
is necessary. It is necessary because society has almost forgotten
that where we as American Indian people that have been
through that and experienced it, whether it's through loved ones ourselves,
we can't forget about that. And so the more that
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society understands the treatment of our what what had happened
to us as the people, then maybe they will begin
to understand who we are and it will also begin
to humanize us even more as American Indian people. Moments
that I had to get up and walk away from
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the monitors and just go be by myself, and I'm
not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I wept. I wept, and and.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Then I just have to look around and see the
the crew, Thank goodness, they're so amazing, and see them
and just be like, Okay, yeah, we're just doing a show.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
But for me, it's not just a show. It's it
was our lives. And and so I just had to get.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Back around the good, amazing crew that we're so fortunate
to work with and share some laughs again and get
back into that into that space and go back even
our background, our young little children that were off the reservations. Wow,
they they nailed it and it felt good and we
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just became a family unit, you know, with all with
each other and supportive. We're all from different tribes, but
we all been through this and and so it was
even the folks that played the nuns the priest.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
That For me, when I meet people today, that's why
I wear my braids every single day. You know, when
I meet them, I remember and I know, but I
meet them with the smile and I shake their hands.
I acknowledge them, but I acknowledge them and introduced myself
with my own language, just kind of a way to say, yeah,
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we've been through that, but we're still here, and here
we are together.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
What can we do together?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Put our minds together, work together, no longer judge one another,
but work together to make a better future, a better
tomorrow for all people.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I gotta say, mo, I think I speak for myself.
I'm sure I speak for much of our audience too.
I also, in watching those scenes in nineteen twenty three,
it makes me weep. It's an incredibly painful history to confront.
And I have no doubt that the burden of showing
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that history and carrying that history is a very heavy burden.
But I hope that you know I have been I
have to admit a very naive throughout my life about
this history. And I have to say that for me,
the experience of working on Yellowstone, the experience of watching
eighteen eighty three and nineteen twenty three, I'm going to
carry that history with me now too, you know, in
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order to reach As you spoke about the joy of
coming back together, to find this joy of unity, it
does feel like one of the steps is being honest
about the history. And I hope that you feel that
your work being honest about this history is an important
step towards coming together in the now, in the present.
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We're so grateful to have Mo with us today. We're
going to keep this conversation going right after this.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I don't know why this made me think of, like, Mo,
you look amazing. It was the critics' choice of wards
just recently, right, Is this where Golden Globes got?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I keep up to date guys with the award shows.
Either way, whicheverone was giving out awards, you looked amazing.
Thank you very much, amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well, I was there on behalf of all of us,
and I was there honestly, when I was backstage, I
was thinking about all them young kids, that them young
boys that are growing their hair long and try to
represent their culture and that are going through their struggles
and doubts. I was thinking, you know, I hope they're
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watching this so they can see that it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It also feels like where we left off. Where we
left off, this season also feels like there's kind of
new and intro sting threats on the reservation. Particularly, it
feels like Angela Blue Thunder, who I must say Moe
was wary of from the very beginning. I feel like
Moe was warning Rainwater about Angela Blue Thunder before we
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ever met that character. So I think that, you know,
Moe was right about that one. Because Angela Blue Thunder
has really turned on Rainwater and now there's this young
political threat Martin kills Many. There's this like sort of
political plot kind of brewing against Rainwater on the Reds.
So I'm so excited to see the role that Moe
plays in hopefully helping Rainwater navigate this challenge because it's
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a unique we haven't seen Rainwater and Moe have to
face this kind of internal threat before, you know, and
I am.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
So glad that that has been brought up into the show.
Because it is something that does happen, truthfully, every single
day in Indian country on reservations, and so yeah, I'm
really excited and anxious too to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Been real because then.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
The first thought that came to my mind was, well,
I got a sidle up zarrow and get ready drags
more folks. But you know that may not be the
answer here, and so you know, but it's it's like,
it's it's gonna be really exciting to see how this
all unfolds. And I'm just pumped about it. Honestly, It's
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gonna be something that it's a legitimate deal. We see
it all the time, and so now we get to
expose this to society and see how it's gonna unfold
for everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, that incredible. I also I feel like I should
mention in season four of Yellowstone, as Casey kind of
goes on this personal spiritual journey, he turns to mow
and turns to rain water for guidance in that spiritual journey,
will you talk about the process of as as that
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was showing up in the script. Were you working alongside
Tailor in terms of what that journey looked like? What
would you talk a little bit about what Casey was
doing in season four?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Okay, look, first of all, we're gonna be talking about
Taylor Sheridan.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Taylor Sheridan is such a he's such a history buff.
I mean, he he does his homework.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
And and second of all, Taylor Sheridan has been with
my people. He's been through these ceremonies, He's been, you know,
a part of them, helping, and so he knows and
so Taylor knows quite a bit about about our culture
and so well, I didn't have to work.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
With him in that.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
All I had to do was simply put it together
in a way that it would show society, show the
viewers that we still do do this in our in
these days and and and and help them to understand it,
and then also set it up in a way that
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it's going to protect the original steps of the ceremony itself.
We left we left a lot of things out, and
we left songs out that are a part of that.
And and even in setting it up, there was clear
to the Buffalo rope how we did everything. There are
certain ways of doing things and how we put someone
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in that particular setting specifically, and and so for us,
for me, from that character Mo and what Casey was
going through and what he was seeing, he was constantly
seeing the wolf. And so for for that particular moment
was when he reached out, we saw rainwater and Mole.
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For me, how I translated was that they saw an
opportunity to bring him in, to help him to understand
of how to sort it out. And and so we
created this space for him so he could have that
moment and he saw his own struggles. I mean, as
we all watched, you know, we saw what he was
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struggling with with within his own mind. And then it
came down to him understanding the difference between his mind
and his heart and he began to follow his heart again.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And so that's what that.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Setting, that that scene was really primarily about. Casey's a
strong individual and and and we all know the strength
that he has and his abilities to push through and
carry on and keep pressing on, I should say, And
but he needed a moment to allow himself to be
(21:38):
vulnerable within himself, and that's that scene gave him that space.
That particular setting gave him that space to be vulnerable,
and we saw what he went through.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, and it seems like he particularly needed that strength
going into the tragedy he faces right at the beginning
of season five, Like him and Monica really needed the
sort of strength of that tradition and that history, and
they leaned heavily on that strength and that sort of
knowledge of self to navigate the tragedy that faced them
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at the beginning of season five together.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Now exactly, I mean when they lost their little one.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I mean, you know, I buried three of my own
brothers when they were infants, and so that scene was
very realistic for me. I mean even you know, again,
we did some things that were not fully what we
normally do, but we gave an idea of some of
the steps in the processes that we go through and
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supporting individuals that lost loved ones, whether they're young or elderly,
and the people that were present. And part of that
was I mean the song, even the song. The song
was such a beautiful song. You know, it was a
traveling song. And so that my father and my brother
composed and created that we could do was so fortunate
(23:05):
enough to use on a show. I mean, everything that
we do has meaning, and it's about those that are
still here and those that have made that transition and
traveling home, and so it's it's all part of it.
And so it's it's just a beautiful Life's just beautiful
all the way around.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Mo I have a question for you, and I'm sorry
if I missed it when you talked about leaving certain
things out making sure that what goes into the show
is accurate and filled with integrity, but then leaving certain
things out, is that for the protection of some of
(23:47):
the processes, so that they can't be you know, abused
or misappropriated.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Most definitely, I mean, unfortunately, there's a lot of like
to say, spiritual predators out there, and so when they
view something, they would take that and they would you know,
included into their their their sales package and so and
and use it on people that are that are truly
in search of something in their own life, you know,
(24:19):
and and part of their spiritual journey. And and so
it's it's no different regardless if it's what faith, it is,
it's in all aspects. And so we had to be
able to protect the culture and and the people that
the culture comes from. And so that was why we
(24:41):
left so many things, you know, certain things out just
for that sake, you know, and also to protect those
people that are out there that were in search of
something in their lives, you know, that are on a
spiritual journey, and and so because in people are misled
and miss guide it. And so it's just part of
(25:03):
what we do on Yellowstone. And Taylor understands and knows
that and the need and the importance of it, and
so does Michael Friedman. And I love them guys, you know,
I love everyone we've been working with, and so everyone's
been so understanding and so supportive of all of it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And so it's great, Mo.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Thank you so much again for joining us. We're going
to keep this conversation going right after this.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I feel like you have this sort of wise teacher
heart message that you carry in life, and I feel
it from you even when you know you and I
are just shooting the shit, like it's just something that
you sort of kind of you just sort of give
a gift to everybody that you come in contact with.
(26:00):
And I feel like, am I wrong? It feel it
does feel like a conscious choice on your part to
move through the world that way.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know, You're absolutely right, Jen, because it is about
it's about educating, it's about teaching. It's about sharing, you know,
because we're we as American Indian people were still you know,
we can't change the past.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I mean, we can't even change five seconds ago. And
you know, but so I'm working towards educating people.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Why really it's re educating.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
We have to re educate society about who we are,
what we've become, what you know, where we're at, and
the direction we would like to go as as a whole,
and really life span about unity. It's about how do
we unify one another, regardless of race, regardless of faith,
(26:53):
you know, because it's there's so much segregation in society today.
It's a shame and due to the fact that we
can't all get along and all can't at least be
in the same ballpark, you know, I feel that the
future for all of us as people is in jeopardy,
and so I try not to. I don't mean it
(27:14):
to sound like it's a you know, it's a bummer.
Society is a downer.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
You know, there's a lot of beautiful things, and we
have so much in common regardless of where we live with,
regardless of what we're doing. What are you know what
we love doing because we all share the same planet
at the end of the day, and we have to
preserve something for the generations that are yet to come,
not just the children of today, but the generations.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That are yet to come.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And so I try to go through life, I always
ask myself this question, if I had thirty seconds to
address the entire world, what would I say? And knowing
that those thirty seconds could impact the world and the
people within it, and and so I always try to
think in that aspect and and try to guide my
(28:06):
life in that way as well, you know, because it
is it's so important. I mean, you look at what
we do on Yellowstone. It's not just entertainment, you know,
it's educating. It's it's also inspiring, you know, and so
we inspire people to do things. And and so our
show is very heavy. I mean, thank goodness for your
(28:29):
guys's character is because that's the enlightening part.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
And it brings you know, it brings.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Laughter and and it has that feel good and so
we we are always constantly educating and and so if
we're not continuously learning ourselves. This is my grandfather, my grandfather,
Philip brings plenty always said this, you will always be
a student of life as long as you're willing to learn,
and as when you're willing to learn, you're going to
(28:56):
be able to teach others. And so other than that,
you become stagnant and what they call flat line. Basically,
you know, you got to have your ups and downs.
And my grandpa Cila Black Crow shared that he goes,
you got to have ups and downs in life, grandson,
And the reason why you have those ups and downs
in life is because it's a it's a good indication,
(29:19):
it's a sign to you to let you know that
you are truly alive.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Just when you were talking there, I'd never seen the
mof so I feel like you're doing that thing again
where you're like you're changing me in this moment just
talking to you. You were talking about the ups and
downs and that when you're stagnant, they call it flat line,
and I just had this image of like a heart
monitor that when there are no ups and downs, it's
essentially you're just you're a little dead. You're a little
(29:45):
bit like the walking dead. And I think that so much.
I find that unfortunately, so much of our days are
oftentimes spent in the pursuit of things that aren't going
to give us ups and downs because we don't want
to feel. But the important thing is to feel, is
to grow, is to learn, is to mess up.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You have to, I mean, you know, that's where it's
okay to make mistakes as long as we're learning, you know,
and we will never know what we where we're at,
where we're at, we will never know the growth of
ourselves if we don't make a mistake. And and so
it's fine to make mistakes as long as we understand
and know, Okay, all right, I'm not gonna do that again,
(30:27):
and so we continue to grow. I mean, it's just
it's no different than riding a horse.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
If you do something on a horse and that horse
decides to break in two and buck you off, then
you're gonna know, okay, I know, not to do that
with that horse, because not every horse is the same,
you know, and and so you have to Each horse
has their own personality, and so you have to try
to understand those personalities and coexist with them and work
(30:54):
together with them, you know. And so that's why I
love horses so much. They taught me.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
So much in that I got I had like so
many questions, but I'll start with the horse one and
then move back. One of the things that I felt
is that my life has been changed by working with
horses more and I come, you know, I don't have
that history. I'm wondering if there are certain things that
you might be able to pinpoint that you see as
a benefit from working with the animal, like the horse
(31:23):
and being in relationship with it. I think it's something
that society is missing out on a lot the more
we become attached to technology, computers, et cetera, and leave
that other part behind, you.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Know, when it comes to horses. The point blank, I'm
going to go to a cultural traditional teaching. Horses are
the bridge between the physical and the spiritual. They are
what we consider our physical angels. And not only in
the physical life do they carry us and are they
there for us? But also and when we make that
transition in life into the next, they're the ones that
(31:58):
are there. The greatest relationship that we've had with one
particular horse, that horse will also make that transition to
carry us home. And so the horse has taught me
self respect, It is taught me how to be able
to communicate or be observant and communicate without words. I
don't have to speak someone's language to understand their body language.
(32:22):
And so the horse has taught me how to be
a leader and from in my own life, not be
a leader for others, but a leader in my own life.
Because we've been taught to be followers so much that
we don't know how to be a leader in our
(32:42):
own lives. So we end up trying to follow our
own life. And when we follow our own life, we
end up just following whatever's thrown at us. And so
to be a leader, we know how to observe it
and make a decision, a proper decision.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And navigate a way through in that aspect.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
And so that's all teachings from the horses.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't want to take too much of your time
because you're out doing cowboy shit, and you know it'd
be just I don't want to get in the way
of that you mentioned earlier, a tenant that you live by,
this idea that you want to be ready if anybody
ever tells you, hey, you have thirty seconds to speak
to the whole world. And I hate to put you
on the spot because you've spent about forty minutes teaching us,
(33:28):
telling us incredible things. But if I said you have
thirty seconds to speak to the whole world, what would
you say? What do you think distills all of your
worldview into thirty seconds?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Thirty seconds? Life is not just about yourself.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Understand and know it's about the children and the generations
to come.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And when we can fully.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Understand that, then we will understand and know that we
have the power and the ability to preserve and care for.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
The environment so we can pass it, pass on a
healthy world to them.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And understand and know that diversity is not just about
skin color. We have to embrace the cultural diversity. When
we embrace cultural diversity, then we truly have the ability
to acknowledge and embrace that the Creator is honestly perfect.
If it's just about skin color but not culture, then
(34:31):
we are doubting.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That the Creator is truly perfect? Is that thirty seconds?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That was amazing perfect? Thank you so much for spending
this time with us today. Thank you for your friendship. Yeah,
thanks for pulling over on the highway on your way
now pick up a horse. Believe me, Yellowstone fans would
not want you to slow down. Yellowstone fans are grateful
that you're out there getting these shows made. Thank you,
(35:00):
thank you, thank you for joining us, Moe. Thank you
for everything you do to bring the Yellowstone Universe to life.
Talk to you real soon.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
The Official Yellowstone Podcast is a production of one oh
one Studios and Paramount. This episode was produced by Scott Stone.
Brandon Goetchis is the head of Audio for one oh
one Studios. Steve Rasis is the executive vice president of
the Paramount Global Podcast Group. Special thanks to Megan Marcus,
Jeremy Westfall, Ainsley Rosito, Andrew Sarnow, Jason Red and Whitney
(35:31):
Baxter from Paramount, and of course David Glasser, David Huckin
and Michelle Newman from one oh one Studios
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