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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Only Ways through collaboration between Under Armour
and I Heart Radio, Episode six, Chase Young The Devils
in the Details. Every so often, a player comes along
that redefines their position and alters the trajectory of their game.
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A player that's so strong, so impactful, they set new
standards for their sport and elevate the talent pool of
the generation. Michael Phelps, Serena Williams, Bo Jackson athletes like
these defied expectations and by reimagining the way their sports
were played, they paved the new path for those that
follow in their footsteps. Chase Young, It's no exception. The
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Ohio State defensive end is talented. Is one of the
greatest to ever play the position. With long dreads and
a pension for the strong quarterbacks, the Predator is an
absolute minutes on the field. At six ft five two
hundred and sixty five pounds, Chase dominated college play, breaking
the single season sack record with sixteen point five in
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his last year. Now, after being chosen second overall by
the Washington Redskins, Chase is ready to defy expectations at
the highest level. The only thing left for him to
do is to get to work and dominate. Fergus to
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the tight end at the bottom of your screen. Watch up,
He's got great hands, cold and Cold had it straight.
But I guess who Chase Young. Don't leave out the defense.
This guy is the most disruptive player in America. Cow
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sat down with Chase to hear his story. Here's Cow.
I'm wondering, what's the most amount of players that have
ever been sent up to stop you in the game.
I've been triple Team. What does it feel like when
you're triple Team? It's terrible. It's terrible. You know, there's
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three guys. I mean, I'm not Superman. Even for Superman,
I feel like it would be hard for him to
get away from three people. It's definitely not fun, But
you know, it's part of the game. It's something that
you have to uh work around, and that's something I
try to do during the season. What about the off season?
Because I know this When I was talking to Kobe Bryant,
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he told me that for him, the off season was
one of the keys to his success. Do you have
the same kind of paty? Yeah, definitely, definitely. A might
like to look at, uh, maybe a few weaknesses I
had in my past season and new stuff that you know,
I want to add to my arsenal going on to
the next season. And then you know, just staying sharp
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on the things that you already do well because you
know you can always be better. The only thing I'm
I feel like I'm going to do is get faster
and stronger because I feel like I'm on a mission
and I have a you know, a lot that I
want to accomplish. That's more. Gibson, Chase's trainer and strength coach,
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most work with Chase for the last five years. The
two have a unique bond. Sometimes father figured, sometimes older
brother Mall has always been in Chase's corner. Here's Mall.
Chase always wanted to be the best guy that I've
ever trained. That was his first sentence when he came
into my jam. I want to be the best that
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you ever trained. Now, Chase gonna motivate itself if that
If that makes any sense. After the Wisconsin game when
he had four sacks, we probably spent the hour on
the phone on because he was upset that he felt
he should have had six. That's another thing that I
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try to get on them early about when you make
a mistake, because mistakes is gonna happen no matter who
you are there, They're gonna happen, and it's all about
how you bounce back from it. Chases is it's as
big as critic. Right. There are times where Chase felt, hey,
I could I could have had another sack on another
two sacks, or you know this team always tripled him
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with me, or or they're sending four guys at me,
and it's like, okay, Chase, let that play go, let
that game go. Now it's time to prepare for the
next game. Ron Rivera is the head coach of the
Washington Redskins. Ron's an NFL legend. He played in Super
Bowl twenty for the all time Grade eighty five Bears
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and coach the Carolina Panthers in Super Bowl fifty. Here's Ron.
You have to have the physical attributes, you know he does.
He's got the size, he's got the length, he's got
the explosiveness, and he also has a mentality. He's a
very bright young man who understands the game, understands philosophies,
understands techniques, understands the core basic fundamentals of the position.
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It's every parent's job to encourage their kids on the
path to success. Chase his father, Greg saw promising his
son from an early age. He and his wife Carla
made sure Chase had every opportunity to achieve. Here's a Greg, Yeah,
I knew it five years old what I had. He
liked to perfect everything. And if he threw the ball,
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he expected you to catch it. And I said, change.
You have to understand it. Everybody's parents don't go outside
with him every day and throw the ball around and
shoot baskets. Why when you're throwing the ball to another
six year old, if he drops it, that's not his fault.
Every year age just got worse. But when I used
the word worse, he got worse for the opposing team.
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But you know it was fun for us. Here's Carla young.
When he went to the mand that I would get
there and hour early, watching warm up. All through college,
he has to come see me and give me a kiss.
And that's what he did in the high school. It's like,
you don't give your mother kiss before the game. That's
what the coaches would say when he first started. After
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that first game and saw her, he played, It's like,
go kiss your mother. Keep kissing. I keep kissing her.
Here's more again, So I'm shut. Mom and Dad, I
probably told you Chase thinks he's a model, and nobody's
gonna be able to tell him that he's not. Uh,
he thinks he's an R and B singer. Who knows
he might come out with an album next week? I mean,
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I don't know. You know, he has a great body.
He's put the time and effort to it. But Chase
loves to work out. He loves to work hard. He
know it's it's a target on his back. But the
same way how we started as the same way how
we're going down. I mean, you know, the amount of
weight might change, the mount of amount of reps might change,
but we're going at it and every off season the
same way. We just have our goal set and then
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we're going off. Your dad is taller than you, correct,
and he had a growth spurt towards the end of
his teenage years. And so do you see yourself growing
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even more? I hope not. You don't want to grow anymore.
I'm good right where I'm at, Right where I'm I'm good.
So I don't even like talking about it, Like why
would that be? Because wouldn't like an extra two inches
make it harder for the quarterback to see over you
when you're coming out. Yeah, but I beat it balls down.
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Now I'm tall enough that I feel like, you know, um,
everything I've accomplished that they feel me enough. I don't
have to be six eight or six nine. I'm good
right here where I'm at. What about attention to detail
in diet that changed over the years for you? Yeah, definitely. Um,
I'm a past cutarian now. I try to say everything
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else I do is vegan other than the you know,
the fish or shrimp that I eat. I don't eat dairy,
and I try to stay away from white flower and
stuff like that. So I'm definitely getta you know, real
detailed on real particular on just the things that I
put in my body. When did that start? I'm gonna
started in college, I would say around my the end
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of my sophomore year going into my junior And you
gained a bunch of weight between the sophomore and junior season,
So how did that happen? Uh? You know, it's it's
a lot of protein and things you need and fish,
it's other proteins and uh, certain vegetables that you can
get you don't just have to get your protein and
things you need from animals, you know, I just try
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to get a lot of it from vegetables. I feel
like when I look at my plate, I feel like
at least eighty five of the things in my plate
have to be from the ground. So that's if you
want to look at it, That's how I look at it.
So I definitely have a big piece of fish right there,
but in everything else will be greens or sweet potatoes,
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pepper with bell peppers and onions, okra tomatoes. It's it's fish,
but everything else is you know, straight veggies. For real.
I'm really getting a sense of how detail you look
at a plate. What about when you look at yourself
on film and you watch yourself, say, rushing the passer,
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What are the things that you're looking at? Yeah, I'm
looking at my first step and I'm looking at my
get off at the same time as my first step.
I don't want my first step to be too short.
I wanted to be as big as possible when I'm
coming off the line and my popping up high or
in my stand low coming off the ball like I
should be. The next thing I'm looking at is my
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steps up the field, my angle right to the quarterback.
Of of like, the second thing I would I would
look at it is my hands. Obviously, I'm definitely gonna
use my hands on the past rush on the run game,
So I look at my hand placement. Um, whether if
I hit the guy's hands or I don't hit his
hands down on the right points either the elbows. This
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is It's a lot of stuff I can I can
ramble on about, uh definitely, uh, my hips and finish
my birth, my birth to the quarterback. And the last
thing is when I get to the quarterback, seeing if
I was able to get the ball out. So it
sounds like you have a kind of a unique way
of practicing where you're focusing on little details. How is
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there a certain way of practicing going after a ball
that's gonna be in all different possible places. Yeah, you
just gotta do it in practice repetition. Our scout team
at or how State did a phenomenal job. You know,
I would just do that every practice, every practice, and
you know, just repetition and turned out to be pretty good.
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And so what happens you're the defensive player who's being
considered for the Heisman, and you got all quarterbacks in there.
It's the quarterbacks. They're always getting looked at. What happens
when you step in the room with those guys, I mean,
it's it's I mean off the field. You know I'm
a cool guy. I don't. I'm not. I'm not too
intense like I am on game day. I was just
wondering if just you're showing up brings a little shiver
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to a quarterback. I hope so, I hope so, I
hope so. But at the end of the day, you know,
a guy can be uh as intimidating as he wants to.
If he's not a good player between those white lines,
then you know, all that get throwing out the window.
After the first play, you know that first player, you're
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gonna know how guys want to come for that whole game.
That's why you know everybody always say the first play,
you guys set the tone. So if the guy that's
intimidating doesn't set the tone, it might be a long
day for that guy. Each year, before the draft, players
and coaches are invited to the NFL combine a series
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of evaluations of strength and speed, do tests like the
forty yard dash, vertical jump, and bench press. The college
player can increase their draft value in the eyes of
a coach or scout. Chase actually declined to participate in
the physical portion of the combine. He already knew his value. Instead,
he chose only to talk. That's when he met coach
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Ron Rivera. It's those first impressions, you know, when you
interview these guys at the combine and they walk in,
you try to see how they walk, and do they
walk in confidence? How are they addressed? How do they
address you? You know when they talk to you, Um,
where are their eyes? I mean you're looking for little
little tells that that can really tell you that these
you know, whether or not he pays attention to the
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details or they just goes over the details. You know.
Interesting that meant that you mentioned the combine because he
didn't have to participate in the combine, and what might
that do to the mentality of a player kind of
knowing that, you know, I really don't have to be
in this pot like everybody else because I'm above it.
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That's an interesting point because he never at any point
seemed to be above it. He seemed to understand that,
you know that the most important thing was to get
to meet the people, which I do agree. I think
the combine is really more important in terms of her coaches.
The opportunity to meet these guys, the tape is which
really is important. And that's one of the things that
when Chase and I talked for the first time at
the combine, you know, um, you know what happened. I
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was kind of looking around and I noticed he was
standing by himself, very you know, in a little corner.
So I went over and we started talking, and we
spent about fifteen twenty minutes away from everybody and just
talking to him. I had a feel that here's a
young man that really wants to compete, that really wants
to show you what he's all about, and he understands
his situation and circumstances. Did did you walk over to him? How?
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How did that all play out? When you in the interviews,
you have specific rooms at at the stadium that you're using,
and I popped out of mind and I saw him
standing down the hall. And the first thing that everybody
understood is that you know that if you weren't in
the first five picks, you probably weren't going to interview
Chase Young because you knew he was going to be
a top five, you know, if he wasn't one or two.
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And so his his interview card list wasn't very long,
so he had gaps in his interviews. So when I
saw him standing there, I mean, he kind of looked like,
you know, he was he was. I don't want to
say he was bored, but he just kind of looked like,
here's a guy that nobody wanted to talk to. So
I went over and introduced myself and and and fortunate
enough he knew who I was, who I am, and
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so we started talking and had a great conversation. You know,
we're both kind of excited to talk to one another.
This is somebody who gets up thinking about the way
he's going to take his first step, and is he
going to be low and low and whatever he has
to be he's thinking about. This was one of the
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things that did come across is that is that he
does think in those terms. It's like, as he watched
himself on tape, he critiqued himself, Oh, I didn't I
was too high here. I've kind of learned to stay lower.
You know, my reach was good, but you know what
if I had taken one more step closer. Yeah, is
that an oddity to find somebody that young thinking that way?
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Or do a lot of players at that level have that?
The really good ones do, The ones that really pay
attention to the details. Those are the kind of guys
that that are gonna get there and they're gonna tell
you those types of things. They're gonna talk to you
about football that way, about what they do about their jobs.
That's what you're looking for. Those guys that really seemed
to light up when they talk about their little details,
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and the guys that seemed to also be very honest
when they critiqued themselves. One of the things that we
look for during these conversations is is a guy going
to take responsibility for what he's doing or is he
gonna blame somebody else? Whove Does that happen often because
I guess you've got guys whose futures on the line
here and they can't look bad. Yeah, I'll see in
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a great example, as you sit there and say say, so,
so you said the chase chase, what happened on this play?
All I went down inside. I shouldn't have gone inside.
That's why the running back got outside, you know, but
he said, I thought I could get underneath, you know.
So no, just the fact that he's first of all
thinking about an opportunity to make the play, but secondly,
when the play went bad, he was willing to take responsibility.
Those are the types of guys that you're looking for,
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because again, you know, they'll learn from their mistakes and
that mistake is probably not gonna happen again. Back to
Chase and cow One thing I heard when you were
playing flag football as a kid that there were times
where you would tackle the people first and then pull
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their flags out. Is that a true story. That's a
true story. He was young boy football. But you know,
sometimes I get real with tense, you know, with the
parents and everybody, and they're going that is so you're
a kid, It's like, you know, you gotta go to
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the dude. The people on the other team kept trying
to smack my hand down and the rest wasn't calling
and it was illegal. So the only way I could
get their flag down this I went over there and
like grabbed him first. And usually when I when I
tried to grab him, all my force just went to
a tackle. So then I would tackle and rip their
flag off because you know they wasn't playing by the rules.
Now I got it. So what happened when they when
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they went down where they started to complain after you
took him down and started taking the flag off. Yeah,
it was. It was a real intense game. It was
like they were at tackling our kids. Our kids was
tackling their kids, almost like a free fraud TEP game. Man.
You know, they didn't get two out of hand, but
it was definitely intense. Here's Greg Young was a daredevil
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type of kids. Aged three. I never really toward Chase
how to round a bike. He learned on his own.
He would just fly down the hill and crash into
the Butcher's. Everything he did as a kid was always
at the next level. He played flag football. He would
run kids down in five years old, grab him, slam
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him on the ground, and then take the flag. And
I'm like, whoa, I've never told him to do that,
but I said, you know what, this is an aggressive
kid at five, and it's just it's just gonna stay
this way for the rest of his life. So what
what I had to do in our family? We had
to manage his aggressiveness. Uh, he hated to lose. He
wanted to perfect everything. But I tell I would tell
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any parent who can afford it. You know, put your
kid on the biggest stage. You can put them on academically, socially,
you know, athletics. Just put him on the biggest stage.
Here is more Gibson every day he comes in that
he comes into work. There's not a time that he
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leaves out without speaking to everybody. If if one of
the little kids wanted to take a picture, he makes
time to do that. You know, he makes time to
even stick around to talk about their form. He'll sit
there and stand and say, you know, take the take
the leg back, or I know you didn't count those
three reps. You did them wrong, Like you can't count
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bad reps. And you know these kids are you know,
big guys, and they'll they'll give him another three reps
because he's chasing them. The fact that he takes time
and doing those things like for those kids, I can
tell you that I know Chase remembers those feelings how
he felt growing up, and I just believe he's always
gonna make time to impact these kids lives. I am
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more enthused about the impact he's gonna make off the
field than the impact he's gonna make on the field.
I think, without a doubt he's going he's gonna make
a name for itself. He's gonna make noise on that
field each and every Sunday or Monday whenever he plays.
But that impact and that legacy that he's gonna leave
from what he will do off the field, I just
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think is is you couldn't even measure that rivera once more.
You've been in the league for a while now, thirty
four years. Yeah, do you develop like a long term
vision for how you would like this to play out? Yeah?
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You know, having been a head coach prior, it's kind
of like you have a three year, five year, seven
year plan where you like to see where you are
and correlated to where you want to be. You know,
by the time we get to that third season, I
want to have established a sustainable winning culture. I want
young men like Chase to be part of that culture, okay,
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and winning football games and want to get an opportunity
to go and play in the big game and playing
the Super Bowl. I mean, you know that I think
is something that's really important that everybody understands it. Our
intent is to win, and that's what we're here to
establish and set that up, and being able to draft
guys like Chase is very important. Do you think where
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Chase might be ten fifteen years from now? How far
can he go? Oh gosh, you know, I was fortunate
enough to have been around Julius Peppers. You know, here's
a guy that played fifteen sixteen years in the league.
If Chase can stay healthy, if things can can work
in his way, he has a chance to have that
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kind of a career. And and so I'm excited for
a young man like that because he's He's a quality
young man, great upbringing, um understands his responsibility to his community.
And you want guys I to succeed because they're great
examples for the young men and women that come up
after him. Is there a way Chase fits into your
defensive philosophy specifically? Absolutely, you know, And that's probably the
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biggest thing that drew us to us was his attack mentality.
We want to be an aggressive, downhill attacking defense. Do
we want the defensive line to have the attitude the
model that we're gonna play the run on our way
to the quarterback. And so when that ball snapped. We're
attacking the line of scrimmage. We're getting across the line
of scrimmage. We're getting into that into that backfield. And
if oh and by the way, if they hand the
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ball off, we're there to make the tackle and they haven't.
We've already attacked the quarterback. We've already gone upfield. Now
the rest of it is just getting to the ball.
That sounds like the Bears. That's exactly where that comes from.
The effort. Druble sacked again. Yes, so, folks, the mighty
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Chase Yo. Some people are saying you could be the
greatest defensive end of all time. When you hear that,
do you just try and mute it or what do
you do with it? You know, I feel like a
potential can be somebody's worst nightmare, and you know, if
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you listen to you take it to heart, it could
do a lot of things to you. But I feel
like a lot of those things are bad, and I
feel like that's gonna have an effect on how detailed
you are. You want to affect your drive. I'm I'm
going in as a rookie. You know, I haven't done anything,
just started from scratch, So you know that's my mindset
going in, Um, you know, just just a hungry adult
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trying to eat. Was there any detail in your mind
that got you to the Redskins, a team that's playing
right in your backyard? Um? I mean, I know going
into the draft, I started hearing, uh, you know that
the red Skins you could have picked me at number
two and then you know that's something I was hearing
of season. Um, you know, throughout the whole process, I
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wasn't too worried about the next level. I was really
just focused on my time in college. You know, obviously
we had a good run, went to the playoffs, so
you know, that's the only thing I was really focused on.
I really didn't pay attention on who, um, you know,
would pick me. But I'm with my best for forward regardless.
There's Ron Rivera, the new head coach of the washing
the Redskins, and we believe the pick is in. Let's
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see what Washington is going to do once more, Let's
go to Roger Goodell with the second pick in the
NFL draft, Washington Redskin. So, like Chase Young, congratulations came.
This year's draft was unlike any that came before. In
order to hear the social distancing protocols, players were notified
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at home instead of being called up on stage in
front of a packed audience, but still the excitement of
the moment remained the same. Was it a pretty much
a foregone conclusion that Cincinnati was going to go with
their quarterback? And when that happened, what was your reaction? Well,
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I was sure they were going to take the quarterback.
You know, he was the obvious pick, or at least
we believed he was the obvious pick. And once it happened,
it was it was excitement and relief. Okay, we're finally here.
It's our pick. He's our guy. And so as we
went through the process, you know, Cincinnati made their pick.
We're on the clock. So the first thing is, okay,
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everybody set chases our guy. So we call get him
on the phone. I talked to him for a little bit.
Then I said, Chase, let me talk to your father.
And I looked down the Chase's phone and I saw
the name Ron Rivere and I was like, Chase, he's
calling you. I didn't know that he was going to,
uh tell Chase, you know, to put me on the
phone and let me no first, So I was kind
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of shocked. But when I got the phone, what he
said was, he said, how you doing, dad, and everything?
And give you the honor letting your family and your
so No, he's gonna be a rid skin. That was
real big. The way he handled that, you know, I
thought that was real. That was real big of him
knowing all the work I put in over the years
and everything. That kind of made it all worth it.
And I was able to tell my son he was
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gonna be a rid skin. Here's Moe Gibson. So watch
him even like it the draft, you know, hearing his
name called and just knowing all the work that he's
put in, all the spring breaks he missed out on
in college. These are things that people don't see and
people don't realize there's so many sacrifices that's made. So
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when it comes to that draft day, everyone says, hey,
you know, I wish, I wish that was me. But
people don't understand everything that was giving up sacrifice. This
spring break was coming home and sometimes Friday night he
would just come past the gym just to say what's up,
see how things were going, And the next question was
always hey, coach mo Canno, come on Saturday and start
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getting to work. And I know I made a joke.
I was like, Jase, how you know I want to
be here on Saturday? Come Saturday? What time on Sunday?
What time we want to hit the field on Sunday?
What time? You know? The sacrifices man, And you're talking
about just the different decisions that he's made, and we're
talking about a eighteen nineteen one year old kid. Coach
MO decided to have an eight a m workout or
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seven am work out? You know, you got a choice.
You don't have to come. That's a decision you decided
to make. Now, sometimes was the eight am or the
seven am workout? Was that? Was that a part of
my plan? Yeah? It was. You know, were're gonna make
a decision each and every time he chose to work
out over whatever else that was going on. So to
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just watch him run out on that field and that
jersey ninety nine and watch him impact the game, I
think I can't wait to just see him run out,
Just to see him running out with the team on
an NFL team, It's just just that. I mean, that's
the dream. That's the dream right there. It doesn't matter
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how many games you win, this or that. I mean,
I know he'll want to win, but as far as
what your goal was, you've reached your goal. And like
I always tell them, keep doing what you're doing. When
he you know, high school, when you went to college,
just continue doing what you're doing. You don't have to
change anything because you already worked hard. I'm not worried,
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but it does sit in my mind that my son
is about to go up against grown, grown men who've
been doing this for years. So that that's a concern.
It's not a word, it's more of a concern. But
we're gonna we're gonna keep talking about it coming to
that first game. I know he will be ready. He's
not scared. He's never had a fear of anything. I
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know he's gonna be ready. It's gonna be a challenge
for him, and it's gonna be a challenge at at
the highest level for Chase. So yeah, when I talk
to him, well, that's what we talk about, staying healthy,
keeping your life right, eat right, do everything right, invest
in your body because his body is his his corporation now.
So that's that's what I would talk to my son about.
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I'm just wondering if you have any advice for young
athletes coming up about installing details in their own lives.
I feel like you're to all the young kids out there.
Start being detailed now, because you're gonna recognize, you know,
as you get older, you're gonna have to get more
and more detailed, especially when you start going to the workforce,
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especially the one day you have a family. Use me
as an example. If I was detailed on the field,
not but off the field, I wasn't detailed later down
the line, you know, I might have a slip up
off the field. Throughout each part of your life, I
feel like everything has to be just sharpened in every
area so you can be the best player, the best
you know, worker, the best mom or dad, you know,
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just the best person that you can be. You know,
there was one video I saw of a six year
old kid, I don't know if you saw it, celebrating.
His name was Jase. Oh you gotta see six year
old kid and he's wearing a redskin jersey. He's a
Redskin fan. And so his dad's watching the Wisconsin Ohio
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state game and the six year old named Chase sees
you playing and you become his favorite player when you
see this kid's reaction, it was like a hundred times
you're react. He was so happy listening to you. It
seems like whatever was gonna happen, You're just gonna keep
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taking this detailed process forward as far as it was
gonna get you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I feel like
just I mean, it's not even really a thought anymore. Um,
I've never really thought about being detailed. It's just something
I do part of It's just my life. Everything has
to be detailed, you know. I feel like for me
to be at my best, You've You've really improved me
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just thinking about how you approach life. Thank you for sure.
It's crazy, man. It makes me feel good man, that
that you know, inspiring, you know, a young kid coming up,
and that's you know, one of the biggest things that
I wanted to do, you know, by playing this game
is is because obviously I was that kid one day
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that you was looking up at the scream it's saying, Um,
you know, I want to be like him, mom, to
be like him. Uh. You know, it feels great, man.
There's something that I'm definitely gonna try to keep on
doing and just uh you know, and I feel like
just being being at my best that that would definitely
help me make an impact on the field and and hopefully,
you know, my impact can inspire people around the world.
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