October 21, 2021 • 23 mins
Gary welcomes fellow South African PGA Pro Garrick Higgo to the podcast. In an interview done pre- Olympics Garrick talks about his excitement to go to the games, what he needs to do to up his game, and Gary shares some advice with Garrick on how he can believe in himself. Garrick also asks Gary for a Master's favor.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Gark. It's so nice to be able to talk to
you again, and so long since I have spoken to you.
And I went to the Open. I did the whole
week and the one day I was crossing over, you
were crossing over eighteen. You look very neat, looked like
you lost a bit of weight. Have you lost a
bit of weight? Not intentionally? Maybe maybe because they opened
(00:27):
was my seventh week in a row. Maybe because of that,
But I haven't tried to know. I'm actually trying to
poke a little bit, So that's yeah, I'll work on that.
Why did you not any particular reason that you're not
put very well? Or what happened? Did they open? I
(00:48):
was gonna ask you, you know, Um, it's a bid
because putting has been my you know, the best part
of my game, the last little bit um and I've
you know, as an amateur, played pretty well on links sources.
But for some reason I struggled to read the greens
at the Scottish and at the Open, so um, and
(01:09):
I mean I was I was struggling to get the
ball to the whole, which is which is quite strange. Yes, well,
the thing that those greens are can be very deceptive
and The big thing you've got to do there is
Number one is look at the cup on the worn side,
(01:30):
as you know, because that is never lied. And this
is something you understand that very few people do understand.
And look where the cup is worn. And sometimes it's
not easy to see people putting their hands in the
hole now or routing the cups a lot, raising a lot,
but look now, these things happen. And you know, you
(01:50):
as you say you had seven weeks in a row, yeah,
you know. I don't believe this business are being tired.
I think that's in one's mind. But when you play
seven weeks in the row, I think that that is
a little bit too much. I think five weeks in
the row is good, and then have a week all
come back, but seven. But the things you'll you'll learn
(02:11):
as you go along, and nobody can teach you that.
That's something that you've got to feel. But it was
open for me because first of all, I think that
John Rome should have won, but he put it so
badly the last day. But it's very interesting for me,
and I tell people I see somebody like Jordan's speech
(02:33):
and I see at least four faults and he's swing
that he is one tremendous competitor. He's got what I
call it now nobody, nobody can define it. It's something
that certain people had. And it's another thing that Jordan's speet.
He knows how to play golf. Now you tell somebody
(02:56):
that somebody on the regular too knows how to play golf.
Not a lot of people knew how to play they
could swing. Well, well, it's taken the top hundred players
in the Open. There's a hundred and fifty six guys.
The top hundred is very little difference between the first
and the hundreds of hitting the ball. So what is
it that you know? It's not how well you swing
(03:18):
or how well you do this. As you and I
have discussed, it comes from the mind. And that's the
one thing that I've tried. And you, of all the
young men I've ever met in my life, you're the
greatest gentleman. I wish I could have a doctor, don
you said to a nice guy. But you listen, you listen,
and so many young guys don't want to listen. They
(03:40):
come up with while I'm working on the modern day swing,
and there's nothing, there's no such thing as a modern
day swing. There's nothing new. I'm dying to hear something
new in the swing. But Jordan's speaker is a very
good man to emulate because he's all over the place.
He's the Sevy of America, I mean, Dallas Tiros. But
(04:03):
he's putting. He's a competitor, he's got it, he knows
how to And I think what happens this is what
I find, But that doesn't find for everybody that when
you played too many torments in a row, you lose
that little bit of irritability in your system because your
system is now burnt out from energy. And I played
(04:26):
my very best golf, and I noticed Hogan and Sneen
and Palmer and Nicholas and Travino. And if you watch
John Ram, he gets really pumped up. You know. You
when you get a bit irritable, your mind then works
to the maximum it can to get you focused. And
what you wouldn't You are really focused, And if you
(04:48):
played so much, you lose that focus which prevents you
from playing well. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah, I mean,
it's definitely something that I'm going to learn. Fro Um.
I mean, because everything changed so quickly, you know, there
was no time to really pick and choose what I
was going to play, especially having the two majors, you know,
(05:12):
or even playing the three three majors in in the
eight weeks. Um, I can see all the top guys
either take the week off before the major or played
the week before the major and you know, take a
couple of weeks off before that event. So um yeah,
I definitely play my best golf when I'm fresh and
(05:33):
I'm ready to win. Um. But I definitely felt like
I was a bit drained going into even going into
the Scottish but I tried, I tried not to be
um and I fought until the end. So um yeah,
I guess I'll just learn from it. No, that's good.
And now you got into the Olympics. Uh well, actually no,
(05:58):
I'm flying. I'm flying tomorrow actually, um flying tomorrow night
to joe Burg and then Saturday night, UM to Tokyo.
And are you playing at Kasumi Kaseki? That it actually
no no, no, I never designed it, but Harold Henning
(06:21):
and I represented South Africa and nineteen fifty seven and
we got five hundred dollars in in American Express checks
to go all that way and play. So that was
and we finished second there. We beat America and Japan
won it, and that was the start Japanese golf. This
(06:44):
tiny little guy, he wasn't even five ft three. He
hold bunker's shots and he was holding puts from all
over the the middle old dab stroke and it was
such a great thing that this is. I'm gonna be
watching very carefully. I know the course well and it's
got great memories for me and and you've got busied
(07:04):
not as your partners. I'm hoping you're going to do
very very well. And it's it's an honor. I mean,
you know, I can't do the Olympic Game for South
Africa men and women. And I was always sure that
people like Rory McElroy say he wasn't interested in going
to the Olympic Games and he he wouldn't even watch
(07:25):
the scores of the Olympic Games. It's quite sad because
Ory and I was sad to hear that. And to
go to the Olympic Games is the biggest sporting event
in the world and it's such a great honor for
you and BIS know to be playing. And please tell
him I'm pulling for you. Guys, will be watching you
all the time. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. She's it's
(07:47):
going to be amazing. And also just kind of being
in the athletes village and seeing all the other athletes,
although we can't go and watch them. Um, I mean
it's something that we haven't really grown up watching because
golf phase only in it now for the second time.
But I think hopefully we can inspire some of the younger,
younger guys. When I went to great when I went
(08:12):
to the village there, they had me sleeping well in
a cardboard cuboard as a cupboard for my clothes and
a bed that was a plank. And they came to
your mind, you know, you leave the village and boy
they put me in the hotel and I pretended I
was sad, but I was very happy. But it was
(08:33):
an experience going to the gym. Everybody could get together.
I met all these wonderful athletes from all over the world.
It was a wonderful experience. So but you'll be able
to see something no we're not allowed to, well I was.
I mean, that was kind of one of the best things.
(08:54):
I thought it was going to be. Um, you know,
being able to go and watch the sprinters or something
like that, but we're not allowed to. Oh my goodness,
well good yeah, so I'll just have to make up
and win the goal. That's it. That's it. Where is
Basidian at the moment, He's in Johannisburg. It's Christian, Christian, Christian,
(09:19):
Christian Christian. Yeah, and tell me how what do you
feel at the moment, any department of your game that
you're not feeling good with. You're feeling good with everything. Yeah,
my long my long game, My long game is feeling
really good. Um, I mean it was. It was definitely
(09:42):
just you know, mental sharpness the last two weeks because
you know, I didn't make a double drop, which usually
those come from you know, Arran t shots and stuff.
So um, you know, I made a lot of drops
which were soft dropped. So I'm actually in a positive
headspace to be honest. Um, my game is feeling really good.
(10:02):
And I think this week at home seeing family and
getting a bit of risk is going to give me
a lot of good because I'm itching to go back
and play. So that's that's great. She's I can't remember
(10:23):
we organized the game for me to play, to play
with you Gary when I was really little, but I
remember playing the nine alls that goose and that really
inspired me a lot. But then also remember you wrote
me a letter um and gave it to someone to
give to me when I was at school, and I've
still got a frame just saying you know, um. It
(10:45):
was in Afrikaans. I think it said a fast bait
um and that you're thinking of me, um, And yeah
it stuck with me, and yeah, I mean you're a
you're and I look up to you a lot. So
it's been amazing and I can't thank you enough for
for all your support. You know, the one thing that
(11:06):
you know, your coach and I don't want you to
do is get paralysis of analysis. You saw them potentially
the greatest player they developed Tiger Woods, when's the US
fifteen shots and then goes to teachers for lesson and
they want him to have a flat follow through and
they want him to fan the club face open, and
(11:27):
he from his great talent that he has, he has
a taken away and he doesn't win a major for
a eleven years. And you know, we just want to
see you be slight tune. Your coach knows you will.
I know you will slight tuning. That's all you do
but to keep your mind, because we haven't scratched the
(11:48):
surface of the mind, and it's the mind that wins tournaments.
And that's what you've got to do. You've gotta do meditation,
you've gotta do prayer. A lot of people don't any
emphasis on prayer. I know you do and I do.
And so you've got to building your mind because we
are nowhere near what we're going to see happen with
the mind in time to come is going to be dramatic.
(12:12):
So yeah, that's what you know. We keep on emphasizing
with you keep fit, got to learn to eat. You
see what happens today in tennis. Tennis is my favorite
thought to watch Jokovic. You look at him now, there
he is having one his twentieth major championship. And those
other guys, I don't know if they will ever win
(12:33):
any others, but this man is no unforeseen accident. He'll
win twenty five majors and it's because he's a beast.
So in December, I well, I kind of realized that
I needed to take it a little bit more seriously,
and I started working with bath Mom, who's in thankour Um.
(12:54):
So he travels with me and Yeah, we've worked on
my mobility, which is in a big part of getting longer,
not so much my strength. I'm quite strong, but I
can't access all of that strength because I'm a bit
limited in my te spine and hit mobility. So we've
(13:16):
worked on that a lot, just so that I don't
have to, you know, I don't have to do anything
extra to gain length. And by working on that, we've
you know, we've been able to do a lot more
strength stuff, um, you know too, enhance my ability basically. Um.
(13:40):
And he helps me with nutrition and all that stuff.
I mean, he's quite jacked up with all that, so
he keeps me on my toes when it comes to
that for sure. Yeah, very good, very good. And yeah,
uh Grek, that was a very nice wort of Maraca
where he seems like a very nice young man. And
(14:04):
there again, you know, everybody's brainwashed with long hitting now,
and long hitting is an asset. It's an asset, but
it's not a necessity. And we've seen this first and second.
We're not long hitters really, but you could see it
coming down the line. They were holding the puts left,
right and center and almost chipping in when they were chipping,
(14:28):
and there you have John ramitting these massive drives and
missing the putts. And then we go to the extreme.
You see a man like Bryson Deshambro. I mean, he's
eating so many calories and so many shapes and things
like that, and he's a very intelligent guy. And I
spoke to him at a gust of this year and
(14:50):
I said, are you not perturbed about affecting your kidneys
and your liver? And he said, no, I have my
blood monitored every three weeks. Well that's a that's straight,
very nice, blood checked every three weeks. But that's what's
suiting him. But I was in I'd rather work on
hitting the ball a little bit straighter. I saw him
(15:15):
some places I've seen him some places in that I
want to tell you that you've got to be awfully strong.
And he gets out, I have a job outsideways with
a sandwich. But I mean, one must be careful that
you realize what Woulden's golf tourments is the mind and putting. Yes,
I agree with that. I mean, that's the biggest thing
(15:37):
that's changes for me is I've realized that I don't
have to hit it well at all. Two when um
and my short game has been so good the last
four months that I can go at a lot of
flags that are previously not was scared to go at,
but I can almost fired all of them. And I
(15:58):
know that I'm going to up and down, which have
been from you know, wherever I wherever I finish. So
it's a nice feeling. And I feel like that's that
trees me up to hit better iron shots as well,
because I'm not scared of missing shortsided and then I
hit a good iron shot and then you know, you
make a lot of bodies doing it doing it that way. No,
(16:18):
that's right. And the one thing that the two things
that I hope that you don't forget what I said
that you must you must enjoy adversity. You've got to
enjoy it. Do not shake it off because it's impossible
not to have it. It's impossible. Everybody has it, and
from adversity comes great joy if you can stick it out,
(16:41):
and so many people can't stick it out, and it's important,
and you know, so the other thing is you've gotta
you've gotta have great patience. And I love what you
just said. Now, you don't always have to play well
to win. You know, you know it's good mind you
getting up and down into and feeling confident and feeling
(17:04):
good in yourself, all these things, you know, And and
the last thing I remember really talking to you strongly
about it, to believe you the best. That's the big thing.
When you go on that team, I Garrick Hugo am
the best player in the world. You're gonna believe it
because I believe. I'm believing you are. They all asking
(17:26):
me who's the next world champion? I don't hear it.
I say, Garrett, because I believe you can and you
know it's up to you. Yeah, that's right. Nobody's going
to do it for you as your all your guys,
none of us can help you do that, but you
that's what You've got to keep believing. And so I
(17:47):
hope you have a great week in the Olympics. It's
thank you. It's gonna be awesome. I can't play it.
And then where do you go from Tokyo? Then when
you finished, so we go straight to Memphis for the
w G c UM and then I'll take a week
off and then the playoffs start, the FedEx Cup playoffs. Yeah,
(18:11):
why wouldn't Why would you. You know, I always found
if I could, if I could having traveled with the
time change, not to go into a tournament because your
body is not really adjusted properly. But sometimes you don't. Yeah,
this is that one. I don't have a choice, unfortunately,
(18:31):
but I agree. Um, it would have been nice not
to have to play with the nine hour time difference. Um.
But yeah, it's it's one that after that I can't skip. Um,
but at least at least it's going I feel like
when I go to West actually the jet lags a
little better because you wake up earlier. Um, like going
(18:55):
to Japan. Now it's going to be a bit of
loculty wake up to No. I told you about that
year I was playing in the World and the World
Cup the same, but this was the not the Canada Cup,
and we were playing in France and we were fogged out.
The one day in the travel agents said well, I
(19:15):
can get you to Melbourne three hours before the Australian
Open Scots and Arnold and Jack said no, And I
said I'm going and I got there time change. Never
saw the course, you said, A clams a sandwich and
the shower and one the Australian opened by seven shots.
I remember that in saying what can if they believe
(19:41):
that they could do it? You know. Yeah, I mean
I remember the beginning of the in the Desert. I
didn't start off very well, almost the first three cuts
of the earth. Um. And I came back in salt
Cliffe for about two weeks and um, you know, we
just went back to kind of my old seal and
my old swing. And yeah, I was a little worried
(20:03):
because obviously, you know, you want to stop playing better
because the year was getting on, um, and we're we're
so out of my short game for about four months,
you know, the first four months the year. Um. Yeah,
I just got onto a role and she's it's amazing
how how how it's changed. But I'm really excited. I
(20:27):
can't can't wait to get back and play in the States.
I must say. The other day, I've got very choked
up a guy who would be a picture to sign
and I looked at it and I thought there was
a junior next to me, and I said, see who's
that and he said, that's Garrett. You go at the
Junior President's Cup. Yeah, I remember that. That was I
(20:51):
don't know what I was doing, shaking your hand or
giving you a trophy or something, and I think giving
us the medals all we think, well, we obviously finished second,
but I think you were giving us the medals. But
that was an awesome experience as well. And who else
were with the so so Travil was up captain and
(21:16):
obviously you were also um and we had Luca Philippi
another South African Jaden Shaper and just to Lampa, it
was as four South Africans with obviously the rest of
that with the rest of the team. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(21:36):
we actually played all right. We we didn't do well
in the four balls, we lost quite badly, but in
the singles we beat them. If you had to go
on the yeah we beat them. Contrament board it was,
but it's quite a few points. Yeah. So I mean, Gary,
your your opinion on this would be valuable. I mean
a lot of people have come up to me and said,
(21:58):
you know, how are you going to play Augusta because
I had draws, you know, um, But I don't feel
like I need to change. I don't feel like I
need to change my game to play there. I feel
like I can I can figure it out the way
i'd play absolutely, and are you and I walk around.
(22:19):
I'm gonna walk around with you. I don't know how
far I could walk on net golf course. Man, it's
a tough course. I can't believe you. But I'm definitely
coming to walk a bit with you. Be interesting to
discuss a few things. And that doesn't matter. You've left
handed with you. The fairway is there, the board doesn't
(22:40):
know that it's a dog leg, and you'll you'll be comfortable.
But there are different, diffinite things about Augusta that are
very very valuable to to know because it is a
different golf course, there's no question about So that's going
to be great funds for you. Yeah, what great fun is.
(23:03):
What's gonna be greatest fun of all is when you
come back the next year with the green jacket into
the big dinner exactly. Oh that would mean unreal. Yeah, wow,
thank you alright, perfect. Thanks Gary,
Gark. It's so nice to be able to talk to
you again, and so long since I have spoken to you.
And I went to the Open. I did the whole
week and the one day I was crossing over, you
were crossing over eighteen. You look very neat, looked like
you lost a bit of weight. Have you lost a
bit of weight? Not intentionally? Maybe maybe because they opened
(00:27):
was my seventh week in a row. Maybe because of that,
But I haven't tried to know. I'm actually trying to
poke a little bit, So that's yeah, I'll work on that.
Why did you not any particular reason that you're not
put very well? Or what happened? Did they open? I
(00:48):
was gonna ask you, you know, Um, it's a bid
because putting has been my you know, the best part
of my game, the last little bit um and I've
you know, as an amateur, played pretty well on links sources.
But for some reason I struggled to read the greens
at the Scottish and at the Open, so um, and
(01:09):
I mean I was I was struggling to get the
ball to the whole, which is which is quite strange. Yes, well,
the thing that those greens are can be very deceptive
and The big thing you've got to do there is
Number one is look at the cup on the worn side,
(01:30):
as you know, because that is never lied. And this
is something you understand that very few people do understand.
And look where the cup is worn. And sometimes it's
not easy to see people putting their hands in the
hole now or routing the cups a lot, raising a lot,
but look now, these things happen. And you know, you
(01:50):
as you say you had seven weeks in a row, yeah,
you know. I don't believe this business are being tired.
I think that's in one's mind. But when you play
seven weeks in the row, I think that that is
a little bit too much. I think five weeks in
the row is good, and then have a week all
come back, but seven. But the things you'll you'll learn
(02:11):
as you go along, and nobody can teach you that.
That's something that you've got to feel. But it was
open for me because first of all, I think that
John Rome should have won, but he put it so
badly the last day. But it's very interesting for me,
and I tell people I see somebody like Jordan's speech
(02:33):
and I see at least four faults and he's swing
that he is one tremendous competitor. He's got what I
call it now nobody, nobody can define it. It's something
that certain people had. And it's another thing that Jordan's speet.
He knows how to play golf. Now you tell somebody
(02:56):
that somebody on the regular too knows how to play golf.
Not a lot of people knew how to play they
could swing. Well, well, it's taken the top hundred players
in the Open. There's a hundred and fifty six guys.
The top hundred is very little difference between the first
and the hundreds of hitting the ball. So what is
it that you know? It's not how well you swing
(03:18):
or how well you do this. As you and I
have discussed, it comes from the mind. And that's the
one thing that I've tried. And you, of all the
young men I've ever met in my life, you're the
greatest gentleman. I wish I could have a doctor, don
you said to a nice guy. But you listen, you listen,
and so many young guys don't want to listen. They
(03:40):
come up with while I'm working on the modern day swing,
and there's nothing, there's no such thing as a modern
day swing. There's nothing new. I'm dying to hear something
new in the swing. But Jordan's speaker is a very
good man to emulate because he's all over the place.
He's the Sevy of America, I mean, Dallas Tiros. But
(04:03):
he's putting. He's a competitor, he's got it, he knows
how to And I think what happens this is what
I find, But that doesn't find for everybody that when
you played too many torments in a row, you lose
that little bit of irritability in your system because your
system is now burnt out from energy. And I played
(04:26):
my very best golf, and I noticed Hogan and Sneen
and Palmer and Nicholas and Travino. And if you watch
John Ram, he gets really pumped up. You know. You
when you get a bit irritable, your mind then works
to the maximum it can to get you focused. And
what you wouldn't You are really focused, And if you
(04:48):
played so much, you lose that focus which prevents you
from playing well. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah, I mean,
it's definitely something that I'm going to learn. Fro Um.
I mean, because everything changed so quickly, you know, there
was no time to really pick and choose what I
was going to play, especially having the two majors, you know,
(05:12):
or even playing the three three majors in in the
eight weeks. Um, I can see all the top guys
either take the week off before the major or played
the week before the major and you know, take a
couple of weeks off before that event. So um yeah,
I definitely play my best golf when I'm fresh and
(05:33):
I'm ready to win. Um. But I definitely felt like
I was a bit drained going into even going into
the Scottish but I tried, I tried not to be
um and I fought until the end. So um yeah,
I guess I'll just learn from it. No, that's good.
And now you got into the Olympics. Uh well, actually no,
(05:58):
I'm flying. I'm flying tomorrow actually, um flying tomorrow night
to joe Burg and then Saturday night, UM to Tokyo.
And are you playing at Kasumi Kaseki? That it actually
no no, no, I never designed it, but Harold Henning
(06:21):
and I represented South Africa and nineteen fifty seven and
we got five hundred dollars in in American Express checks
to go all that way and play. So that was
and we finished second there. We beat America and Japan
won it, and that was the start Japanese golf. This
(06:44):
tiny little guy, he wasn't even five ft three. He
hold bunker's shots and he was holding puts from all
over the the middle old dab stroke and it was
such a great thing that this is. I'm gonna be
watching very carefully. I know the course well and it's
got great memories for me and and you've got busied
(07:04):
not as your partners. I'm hoping you're going to do
very very well. And it's it's an honor. I mean,
you know, I can't do the Olympic Game for South
Africa men and women. And I was always sure that
people like Rory McElroy say he wasn't interested in going
to the Olympic Games and he he wouldn't even watch
(07:25):
the scores of the Olympic Games. It's quite sad because
Ory and I was sad to hear that. And to
go to the Olympic Games is the biggest sporting event
in the world and it's such a great honor for
you and BIS know to be playing. And please tell
him I'm pulling for you. Guys, will be watching you
all the time. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. She's it's
(07:47):
going to be amazing. And also just kind of being
in the athletes village and seeing all the other athletes,
although we can't go and watch them. Um, I mean
it's something that we haven't really grown up watching because
golf phase only in it now for the second time.
But I think hopefully we can inspire some of the younger,
younger guys. When I went to great when I went
(08:12):
to the village there, they had me sleeping well in
a cardboard cuboard as a cupboard for my clothes and
a bed that was a plank. And they came to
your mind, you know, you leave the village and boy
they put me in the hotel and I pretended I
was sad, but I was very happy. But it was
(08:33):
an experience going to the gym. Everybody could get together.
I met all these wonderful athletes from all over the world.
It was a wonderful experience. So but you'll be able
to see something no we're not allowed to, well I was.
I mean, that was kind of one of the best things.
(08:54):
I thought it was going to be. Um, you know,
being able to go and watch the sprinters or something
like that, but we're not allowed to. Oh my goodness,
well good yeah, so I'll just have to make up
and win the goal. That's it. That's it. Where is
Basidian at the moment, He's in Johannisburg. It's Christian, Christian, Christian,
(09:19):
Christian Christian. Yeah, and tell me how what do you
feel at the moment, any department of your game that
you're not feeling good with. You're feeling good with everything. Yeah,
my long my long game, My long game is feeling
really good. Um, I mean it was. It was definitely
(09:42):
just you know, mental sharpness the last two weeks because
you know, I didn't make a double drop, which usually
those come from you know, Arran t shots and stuff.
So um, you know, I made a lot of drops
which were soft dropped. So I'm actually in a positive
headspace to be honest. Um, my game is feeling really good.
(10:02):
And I think this week at home seeing family and
getting a bit of risk is going to give me
a lot of good because I'm itching to go back
and play. So that's that's great. She's I can't remember
(10:23):
we organized the game for me to play, to play
with you Gary when I was really little, but I
remember playing the nine alls that goose and that really
inspired me a lot. But then also remember you wrote
me a letter um and gave it to someone to
give to me when I was at school, and I've
still got a frame just saying you know, um. It
(10:45):
was in Afrikaans. I think it said a fast bait
um and that you're thinking of me, um, And yeah
it stuck with me, and yeah, I mean you're a
you're and I look up to you a lot. So
it's been amazing and I can't thank you enough for
for all your support. You know, the one thing that
(11:06):
you know, your coach and I don't want you to
do is get paralysis of analysis. You saw them potentially
the greatest player they developed Tiger Woods, when's the US
fifteen shots and then goes to teachers for lesson and
they want him to have a flat follow through and
they want him to fan the club face open, and
(11:27):
he from his great talent that he has, he has
a taken away and he doesn't win a major for
a eleven years. And you know, we just want to
see you be slight tune. Your coach knows you will.
I know you will slight tuning. That's all you do
but to keep your mind, because we haven't scratched the
(11:48):
surface of the mind, and it's the mind that wins tournaments.
And that's what you've got to do. You've gotta do meditation,
you've gotta do prayer. A lot of people don't any
emphasis on prayer. I know you do and I do.
And so you've got to building your mind because we
are nowhere near what we're going to see happen with
the mind in time to come is going to be dramatic.
(12:12):
So yeah, that's what you know. We keep on emphasizing
with you keep fit, got to learn to eat. You
see what happens today in tennis. Tennis is my favorite
thought to watch Jokovic. You look at him now, there
he is having one his twentieth major championship. And those
other guys, I don't know if they will ever win
(12:33):
any others, but this man is no unforeseen accident. He'll
win twenty five majors and it's because he's a beast.
So in December, I well, I kind of realized that
I needed to take it a little bit more seriously,
and I started working with bath Mom, who's in thankour Um.
(12:54):
So he travels with me and Yeah, we've worked on
my mobility, which is in a big part of getting longer,
not so much my strength. I'm quite strong, but I
can't access all of that strength because I'm a bit
limited in my te spine and hit mobility. So we've
(13:16):
worked on that a lot, just so that I don't
have to, you know, I don't have to do anything
extra to gain length. And by working on that, we've
you know, we've been able to do a lot more
strength stuff, um, you know too, enhance my ability basically. Um.
(13:40):
And he helps me with nutrition and all that stuff.
I mean, he's quite jacked up with all that, so
he keeps me on my toes when it comes to
that for sure. Yeah, very good, very good. And yeah,
uh Grek, that was a very nice wort of Maraca
where he seems like a very nice young man. And
(14:04):
there again, you know, everybody's brainwashed with long hitting now,
and long hitting is an asset. It's an asset, but
it's not a necessity. And we've seen this first and second.
We're not long hitters really, but you could see it
coming down the line. They were holding the puts left,
right and center and almost chipping in when they were chipping,
(14:28):
and there you have John ramitting these massive drives and
missing the putts. And then we go to the extreme.
You see a man like Bryson Deshambro. I mean, he's
eating so many calories and so many shapes and things
like that, and he's a very intelligent guy. And I
spoke to him at a gust of this year and
(14:50):
I said, are you not perturbed about affecting your kidneys
and your liver? And he said, no, I have my
blood monitored every three weeks. Well that's a that's straight,
very nice, blood checked every three weeks. But that's what's
suiting him. But I was in I'd rather work on
hitting the ball a little bit straighter. I saw him
(15:15):
some places I've seen him some places in that I
want to tell you that you've got to be awfully strong.
And he gets out, I have a job outsideways with
a sandwich. But I mean, one must be careful that
you realize what Woulden's golf tourments is the mind and putting. Yes,
I agree with that. I mean, that's the biggest thing
(15:37):
that's changes for me is I've realized that I don't
have to hit it well at all. Two when um
and my short game has been so good the last
four months that I can go at a lot of
flags that are previously not was scared to go at,
but I can almost fired all of them. And I
(15:58):
know that I'm going to up and down, which have
been from you know, wherever I wherever I finish. So
it's a nice feeling. And I feel like that's that
trees me up to hit better iron shots as well,
because I'm not scared of missing shortsided and then I
hit a good iron shot and then you know, you
make a lot of bodies doing it doing it that way. No,
(16:18):
that's right. And the one thing that the two things
that I hope that you don't forget what I said
that you must you must enjoy adversity. You've got to
enjoy it. Do not shake it off because it's impossible
not to have it. It's impossible. Everybody has it, and
from adversity comes great joy if you can stick it out,
(16:41):
and so many people can't stick it out, and it's important,
and you know, so the other thing is you've gotta
you've gotta have great patience. And I love what you
just said. Now, you don't always have to play well
to win. You know, you know it's good mind you
getting up and down into and feeling confident and feeling
(17:04):
good in yourself, all these things, you know, And and
the last thing I remember really talking to you strongly
about it, to believe you the best. That's the big thing.
When you go on that team, I Garrick Hugo am
the best player in the world. You're gonna believe it
because I believe. I'm believing you are. They all asking
(17:26):
me who's the next world champion? I don't hear it.
I say, Garrett, because I believe you can and you
know it's up to you. Yeah, that's right. Nobody's going
to do it for you as your all your guys,
none of us can help you do that, but you
that's what You've got to keep believing. And so I
(17:47):
hope you have a great week in the Olympics. It's
thank you. It's gonna be awesome. I can't play it.
And then where do you go from Tokyo? Then when
you finished, so we go straight to Memphis for the
w G c UM and then I'll take a week
off and then the playoffs start, the FedEx Cup playoffs. Yeah,
(18:11):
why wouldn't Why would you. You know, I always found
if I could, if I could having traveled with the
time change, not to go into a tournament because your
body is not really adjusted properly. But sometimes you don't. Yeah,
this is that one. I don't have a choice, unfortunately,
(18:31):
but I agree. Um, it would have been nice not
to have to play with the nine hour time difference. Um.
But yeah, it's it's one that after that I can't skip. Um,
but at least at least it's going I feel like
when I go to West actually the jet lags a
little better because you wake up earlier. Um, like going
(18:55):
to Japan. Now it's going to be a bit of
loculty wake up to No. I told you about that
year I was playing in the World and the World
Cup the same, but this was the not the Canada Cup,
and we were playing in France and we were fogged out.
The one day in the travel agents said well, I
(19:15):
can get you to Melbourne three hours before the Australian
Open Scots and Arnold and Jack said no, And I
said I'm going and I got there time change. Never
saw the course, you said, A clams a sandwich and
the shower and one the Australian opened by seven shots.
I remember that in saying what can if they believe
(19:41):
that they could do it? You know. Yeah, I mean
I remember the beginning of the in the Desert. I
didn't start off very well, almost the first three cuts
of the earth. Um. And I came back in salt
Cliffe for about two weeks and um, you know, we
just went back to kind of my old seal and
my old swing. And yeah, I was a little worried
(20:03):
because obviously, you know, you want to stop playing better
because the year was getting on, um, and we're we're
so out of my short game for about four months,
you know, the first four months the year. Um. Yeah,
I just got onto a role and she's it's amazing
how how how it's changed. But I'm really excited. I
(20:27):
can't can't wait to get back and play in the States.
I must say. The other day, I've got very choked
up a guy who would be a picture to sign
and I looked at it and I thought there was
a junior next to me, and I said, see who's
that and he said, that's Garrett. You go at the
Junior President's Cup. Yeah, I remember that. That was I
(20:51):
don't know what I was doing, shaking your hand or
giving you a trophy or something, and I think giving
us the medals all we think, well, we obviously finished second,
but I think you were giving us the medals. But
that was an awesome experience as well. And who else
were with the so so Travil was up captain and
(21:16):
obviously you were also um and we had Luca Philippi
another South African Jaden Shaper and just to Lampa, it
was as four South Africans with obviously the rest of
that with the rest of the team. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(21:36):
we actually played all right. We we didn't do well
in the four balls, we lost quite badly, but in
the singles we beat them. If you had to go
on the yeah we beat them. Contrament board it was,
but it's quite a few points. Yeah. So I mean, Gary,
your your opinion on this would be valuable. I mean
a lot of people have come up to me and said,
(21:58):
you know, how are you going to play Augusta because
I had draws, you know, um, But I don't feel
like I need to change. I don't feel like I
need to change my game to play there. I feel
like I can I can figure it out the way
i'd play absolutely, and are you and I walk around.
(22:19):
I'm gonna walk around with you. I don't know how
far I could walk on net golf course. Man, it's
a tough course. I can't believe you. But I'm definitely
coming to walk a bit with you. Be interesting to
discuss a few things. And that doesn't matter. You've left
handed with you. The fairway is there, the board doesn't
(22:40):
know that it's a dog leg, and you'll you'll be comfortable.
But there are different, diffinite things about Augusta that are
very very valuable to to know because it is a
different golf course, there's no question about So that's going
to be great funds for you. Yeah, what great fun is.
(23:03):
What's gonna be greatest fun of all is when you
come back the next year with the green jacket into
the big dinner exactly. Oh that would mean unreal. Yeah, wow,
thank you alright, perfect. Thanks Gary,
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