October 1, 2020 • 41 mins
"Fake it till you make it” might be one of the most clichéd, textbook pearls of wisdom you’re guaranteed to encounter in this life. But is this advice actually going to help you when pursuing a job opportunity for which you're less than qualified, or dating a Vegan when you can't stand vegetables? On the first episode of The Pleasure is Ours with Cody Ko, Cody sits down with comedian and YouTuber Drew Gooden to dissect the few merits of faking it till you make it, and the many ways in which doing so could potentially blow up in your face. Drew offers his unique perspective on everything from faking his way through a job that required an extensive knowledge of power tools, to feigning confidence with an attractive stranger he met on Vine — a stranger that is now his wife. Plus, Cody and Drew ponder whether anyone has ever faked an orgasm while masturbating (and now you’re thinking about it too).
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and Welcome to the Pleasure is Ours, the podcast in
which we examine some of the worst advice people hear
their whole lives and try to make it better. I
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guarantee you all of these pieces of advice have been
marketed to you over and over again as good. But
you have been lied to, my friend, and it is
my job to explain how and why a man you
haven't troubled with life won't let me give you some advice.
First of all, all the ship that they all told
you was right is not right. I'll explain. Just give
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me a second of your time. You see, they tell
you just to be yourself, But what happens if you're
fucking lame? I'm just kidding. You're not lame, You're a treasure.
I'll show you how to get there. You would be
our pleasure. Take it till you make it might be
the most widely used and abused phrase we ever dissect
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on this show, but this one really begs the question
is this a coherent thought or does it just rhyme?
Let's get into it. This one is interesting to me
because I don't hate it, like, for example, no one
that puts proficient in Microsoft Excel on their resume, has
ever attempted to actually make a spreadsheet. That's just a
widely accepted social contract we've all agreed to, and it's
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a victimless crime. But on the opposite end of the spectrum,
if you pretend you're a doctor to pick up chicks,
you may find yourself attempting CPR on someone's Grandma Lloyd
Christmas style. And now your love interest has gone and
Marjorie is on our way to the Pearly gates. What
I'm trying to say is you got to choose your
lies wisely or the ruse will come crashing down on
you like a house of cards. Today I'm joined by
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one of my absolute favorite funny people in the game.
You know him from his live performances all over the
US as well as YouTube, Instagram, TikTok and Vine. You
guys can't see me right now, but I'm you know,
I'm pouring one out for Vine. I'm talking, of course
about my boy Drew Gooden. Welcome to the show, Drew,
who else? Who else? I'm talking, of course about my
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close boy Drew Gooden. We're close boys. I haven't seen
you in a long time. Yeah, we approx mnywise, not
so close. I'm on the other end of the country.
But relationship wise, I think very highly of you. And
based on that intro, it sounds like you return that
sentiment to me. So thinks no worries. Yeah, no worries.
I was reading off a thing, but totally I feel
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that way. Did you? Did you write it? At least
or someone else wrote that? Was someone else? But I
mean I feel pretty good about Well, wait, who wrote it?
I want to be there. Friends. They seemed to really
like me. I'll give you Dave's number. You guys can
Dave awesome? Oh I know Dave. Yeah, Dave. Yeah, you're close, boy, Dave,
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We are close. Boys. Listen, I haven't seen you since
we were both in Louisville. And we're at that bar
that has golfing inside the gulf simulator. Which that's when
you know you're at a where you're at a dope establishment,
is when they have an indoor golf simulator. Yeah, that
is the only bar I've ever been to that had
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an indoor golf simulator. And also that night I had
the best pizza I've ever had in my life. It
was just Papa John's. But I was drunk and it
was after after a show and you always feel great
after a show, and were like two drinks, best pizza ever,
and like, let me ask you, let me ask you this.
We were talking a little bit that night about performing
and because that was you and Danny's first tour, second tour,
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first one, first tour, one of one and you guys
wrote it and rehearsed it and then performed all over
the United States. Right, yes, and this is like and
it was a comedy show. Uh that's perspective. Yes, it
was supposed to be. It was supposed to be a
comedy show. I think it turned out pretty funny. I
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think it was a learning experience. A lot of things
we planned. It actually evolved a lot as it when
we cut some things out after the first show. There
were things we did in the first show we never
did again. But overall, fun experience and I think we're
both pretty proud of our the end product. But I
feel like this is a good segue into what I
was just talking about in the intro, is that like,
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what did you feel like were you faking it when
you first got up on stage? Because it's it's a
tough I mean I think I feel like a lot
of people, you know, they they're trained. They they spend
their entire life performing to get to a point where
they're able to do a show like that. But I
feel like with YouTube, it's just a little like shortcut
and we like to just like, oh, now we're on stage, hie. Yeah.
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It's almost um insulting to other performers. How quickly we're
just like we made some videos on the internet, we
can do live shows in front of a thousand plus people. Yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna do it now. By the way,
what you guys, We're just gonna do that. So we're
gonna do it. Yeah, never done it before. All the
Soul shows already sold out. That's how it's like a
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slap in the face to these like trained theater performers.
But there's a lot, there's a lot of faking and
involved every single night. I was extremely nervous. Um, that's
just sort of this state I'm in through most of life.
But espec Actually, when you have like an eight o'clock
show and you have nothing to do all day but
think about everything that could go wrong, you just kind
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of have to lie to yourself and say everything's gonna
be okay, even when you know deep down there's a
chance it might not be totally. That was always the
worst for me too. I would get so nervous and
even trying to work, like be productive during the day
because you have all day just to do whatever the fuck.
But I could never get this snagging feeling out of
my mind. That's like, you're you're gonna go up on
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stage at the end of this day and you're probably
gonna sunk up. Yeah, and the only way, I mean,
it's sort of dulls the more we did it, Yeah,
I think so too. Yeah, never went away. But I
feel like I actually feel like I felt this in
most of my life, Like even when I was a
software engineer, my very first job in l A. I
thought I was way underqualified for and I got the
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job and I showed up just nervous as funk my
very first day, and I ended up being you know,
it ended up being a great job and I got
along with the team just fine. But I feel like
this is just a reoccurring theme in my life, just
completely just being like a fraud. Yeah, that's a good word.
I was gonna say, going in blind, maybe but no, yeah,
we're just straight up frauds. Frauds were criminals. Yeah. No.
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I had a job like that too, where I had
no qualifications whatsoever, and my dad's friend hooked me up
with a job I was very underqualified for. It was like,
there's carpentery involved, wiring of like led life and stuff,
things I'd never done in my life before, and I
just kind of showed up and pretended like I belonged.
But wait, when was this? That was when I was
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like twenty three, I might so my job history is, uh,
snow cone restaurant, fast food restaurant, different fast food restaurant, carpenter. Okay, yeah,
that was natural, the natural progression. Yeah, yeah, I was.
It was you know, it was always coming. Um. But
I feel like the then diagram of snow cone skills
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and car tree, there's actually a lot in the middle.
It's almost entirely just one big circle. You work with
power tools, that's actually about it. I remember making snow cones.
We had a big machine that I was scared of
because if I put my hand in there, it would
not come out. So my dad's friend who hired me,
was doing me a huge favor because I just wanted
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a decent paying job that wasn't fast food. And but
all the other people working there were like these older
men who had been doing it for twenty thirty years
and they're just like man, they would get so annoyed
at me. They'd be like, they asked, they asked me
to hand them a tool and I didn't know what
it was and they describe it to me and I'd
be like, I still don't know what that is. Oh,
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so like they didn't get mad at you because they
were like gate keeping the construction job. That might have
been part of it. There might have been some resentment
where it's like this, fucking kid, you can't just walk
in here and use tools. Yeah, you gotta go to
carpentry school for ten years, you know what. I don't
know what the normal procedure would be, but yeah, no,
it was just because I was bad at everything and
it made their job even harder. Like I feel bad
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almost when when I we we did the Montreal Comedy Festival,
talking to like, you know and speaking with like legitimate
comedians like after the show, talking about like touring and
stuff like that, and I just felt like a fucking fraud,
Like they're like, what, you can just do this now?
Did they say stuff like that to you or you
just felt that from them? They didn't say that, nobody
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actually ever said it, but I feel like they're thinking
that right right. I was gonna say if they were
just like I just gave you like the cold shoulder, Uh,
that'd be really funny. Um. And I guess they kind
of deserved to do that. I don't know. That's how
I would feel so infuri in a room like that.
I'm glad that I was not in that situation. What
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about like when you started doing content, you used to
edit for someone? Right? I did? Yeah, I edited for
Thomas Sanders, Yes, Thomas Sanders. And did you know how
to edit before that? Like? Is that something you just
jumped into? And that's That's actually another good thing for
this topic because it was very similar and I guess
Thomas is hearing this now. I did have some familiarity
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with like Adobe permiter, but I learned so much stuff
from doing that job for him, for editing, from editing
for him, because it'd be like he'd be like, hey,
can you do this, and I'd be like, yes, I
know how to do that, and then I would google
how to do that men figure it out. There was
a lot of faking it, but it always worked out.
If I had the editing experience that I have now,
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If I had this experience, then I could have edited
everything like three times as fast. Right. Still, I got
everything done for the most part when I needed to,
and I learned a lot in the process. So thank
you Thomas for that job. Thomas, if you're listening, which
I know you are, don't sue me. I knew a
little bit about editing. Wait, I could get sued for
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this ship. Cut that out. I feel like that's the
best way to approach something new things, new challenges is
you gotta scratch the service, get a little bit, get
get informed a little bit, and then just dive the
funk in and that's how you learn. Yeah, that's the
best way to learn ship. You just hope that you
get the opportunity to do that because a lot of
employers will not have the same mindset where they're like, oh,
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you don't you kind of know what you're doing, but
not really, I'd rather hire hire someone else with you know,
ten years of experience. My actually, my very first job
in l A. I started the job on like an
off week because they pay you every two weeks. And
so I started and I didn't get paid for three weeks,
and we got this apartment and I had to pay rent,
and so I someone texted me or I answered a
job posting or something for an app that someone wanted built,
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and I answered it and I said, I can do this,
even though I couldn't, but I said, I've never written
like an app privately for someone from start to finish before,
besides myself never done the client work before ever. But
I said, I was a contractor and I was a
software guy, and this is what I this is what
I do, And so he's like, okay, let's do it. Uh.
The app that I want is a messenger app where
my friends and I can send each other pictures of
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bananas all day. And that's it, not typing, not in anything,
just send we want to send pictures of bananas to
each other. You know, there's already an app for that.
You just have to set that limitation yourself. You could
just make it. And I was like, why can't you
just do it? And I message He's like, it's an
inside joke and it would really mean a lot to me.
And so I. I did it somehow. I just went
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on these programm reforms figured out how to do it,
and I made Banana Graham and I that's how I
paid my rent the very first week I was in
l A. Yeah, I know, all right, Drew. Let's talk
about women. You're married, right, sure, I am. When you
met your wife, did you like, were you faking it?
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You know? Because I feel like when you when you're
on a first date, that's another thing. Is you gotta
like pretend you're way cooler than you are? Right? Are
you saying I'm not cool, You're cool? But I'm saying,
uh no, So I yes, I I think more so,
I would say with my previous relationships, I think by
the time I got to her, I had kind of
had some authentic fidence. Plus my my current wife, current
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wife as my wife as of today. Uh So we
met through fine, we met online and did long distance
for a little bit. So our first date was like
four months in. Wait, four months in. You were guys
who were a boyfriend and girlfriend, but like online, Yes,
so we had met online. We were we FaceTime, we
talked on the phone, did a lot of you know,
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but we didn't actually meet in person until we've already
been talking for about some months, and at that point
there's so so much built up anticipation and pressure. No
amount of faking confidence in the world could get me
to feel confident. That night, it was like, so I
was so nervous, she was so nervous. And we also
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I picked her up at the airport at like eleven PM,
so we don't even have like a whole day to
kind of ease into it. It's like the first time
we're seeing each other, it's like, hey, and we're gonna
go to bed now and see you in the morning,
and then to meet you, you want to head back
to my place. It was just but then you know,
everything was fine the next day, but it was just
like it's you can be so confident and feel like
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you really know someone, but then the moment you meet
them in person, see them for the first time, it's
like you have no idea what to say. So that's
okay though, right. I think the lesson is that both
people feel like that probably yeah, and I think it's
okay to acknowledge that awkwardness. I think that was the
situation where it would have been worse if I was
faking it if I was trying to like, oh, this
is normal, this is cool. Getting having both of us
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acknowledge the awkwardness of the situation is actually beneficial, I think, right,
because I guess faking in that sense would be like
playing way too confident, like a funk boy. Like yeah,
she's like, I'm not sure how to read your emotions.
You just kind of like too cool, And it's like
never mind. You can take her out of the airport
and you're like, yeah, should we get out of here
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because some go someplace more quiet. She's like, well, I
would hope, so most places are quieter than the place
where planes take off from. So then and then it
blossomed from there. It did blossom actually pretty quickly. That
night was weird, But then the next day we went
to Universal Studios at a very fun day and it
was just kind of smooth sailing from there. And then
we got married the next day. Wow. Again, a classic
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love story. Classic love story. Four months long distance, one
night together, then you're married. I gotta say, I feel
like one thing that I'm really bad at that maybe
everyone is really bad at that. People fake all the
time is dirty talk. I'm just not a natural at
it and so and people like it. That's the thing, right,
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Like when you're with someone, they like to hear it.
But you just, especially when you're first starting to like
have sex and stuff like that, you just try to
replicate what you see in porn, which is all wrong,
every the opposite of what you should be doing, and
saying yeah, it's the worst frame of reference. Uh yeah,
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you like you like that big my big asked cheeks.
Do you like? That's what I say? That's what I say.
I guess yeah, No, it's dirty talk is very unnatural.
But I do think that's another thing where that generally
goes both ways. It's you're both kind of faking the
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confidence with that where and maybe maybe I'm wrong, but
in my experience, maybe it's just my awkwardness rubbing off
on the other person involved. But it does seem like,
you know, trying to stake yourself seriously in that moment
can sometimes be difficult, and sometimes you just gotta laugh.
Have you ever faked an orgasm? I know that's a
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weird question for you know, a close boy to ask
another close boy only while jerking off. What No, I
just I don't want to insult. I didn't want to
insult myself. Yeah, I felt like I was doing such
a good job. I didn't want to make myself think
I was in fear here, so I just pretended to
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be done with Oh, that was great, and then fell
right asleep. Yo, you were so good. I have never
done so in a sexual environment, nor have I needed to.
And that's all I'll say about that. Okay, have you
ever done it? Have you ever done it in a
non sexual Oh? I have. I actually have really my
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very first like not very first, but one of the
first acting classes that I ever took. The teacher on
the very first day, the teacher made me get up
in fake an orgasm in front of the class. Oh,
because it was like an exercise in like dropping your
ego and learning how to like just you know, be
yourself and not embarrassed. I heard the word class before acting.
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That just how that's how it registered my brain. I
was teaching just like a regular class where yes, calculus
actually in junior year. Junior year, the teacher Cody, why
don't you get up in fake an orgasm because you
just got that question wrong. Yeah, I think a lot
of orgasms here. That's a that's interesting. I mean that is. Yeah,
that's a good point. Like I haven't taken like an
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acting class, but improv. You know, I've taken improv classes.
That is sort of letting go of your ego, letting
go of yourself. That is an interesting exercise that more
people should do. More people should take an orgasm, more
people should Yes, that's actually should be part of your
morning routine. Actually, I would, I would. I would suggest
people say meditate, and I would say add onto that,
just go ahead and bust a nut, you know, but
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don't actually just fake it at the end of the meditation.
That's when you when the meditation climaxes, is with a
fake orgasm. Yeah, I feel like that's truly jumping in
the deep end, you know, the stuff that they make
you do the warmups for an improv or an acting
class or something that's just like just fucking be weird
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and drop every guard that you have. That's kind of
what improv is all about. Is uh, fake until you
make it is sort of the mantra of improv because
a lot of times you're thrust into a scene that
has no direction or anything, and you just hope that
you know where I failed an improv A lot was
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I would come I would come out like kind of timid,
But you've got to just go into it even if
you don't know what the fun is going on. Usually
that confidence is rewarded and things start to make sense.
But if you're just sort of like you're both at
both people in the sceners are like, I don't know
what's happening. It's just never gonna go anywhere. Yeah, I agree,
But that's like all the way on the end of
the spectrum where you have to give it your all
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and just not give a funk, whereas, like I feel
like most jobs you have to have a little bit
of that where you're like, Okay, I'm just gonna jump
in and see what's good, but you have to like
also have your ship together a little bit. Yeah, if
you're like a firefighter, you know, you don't want to
pretend you know how to put out fires. You're just
gonna walk into your like do I use my body
to put the fire out? Just walk straight into it,
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way too confident it's not gonna end. Well, yeah, I
guess there's there's also a scenario on the complete opposite side,
where you where you're going to first date with someone say,
and you're like, yeah, I'm vegan. They're like awesome, me too, Like, yeah,
I love being vegan and eating things that you know,
grow and all that stuff. It's sick. Yeah. I like
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to eat grass and yeah you have no idea grass, wheat,
grass smoothies, grass of grass. M I like to smoke grass.
Oh hell yeah, dude, I'm a big time grass smoker.
I Meanwhile, she's like, yes, yes, yes, I am too.
I am too. And then fast forward what like a month,
and then you're vegan. Yeah, yeah, you just are vegan.
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Now like you're just stuck. God forbid. Things go really well.
You move in together. Now now you're faced with the
dilemma of like, do I continue this lie to preserve
the relationship or do I just come clean knowing that
everything could come crashing down. Yes, and I think the
right answer is preserved. The lie live a lie. You
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are in too deep. You want to fake it till
you make it, until you're absolutely living at one hundred
percent lie and you're another another person completely Yeah, until yeah,
you physically transform, you have just you look completely different.
I think in general with relationships, there's a lot of
examples these days with the state of technology and all that,
a lot of examples of people faking aspects about themselves
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before they even meet, before the relationship even starts. I
feel like that's always been a thing, though you can
do it more now with dating apps. Like if you
go on a dating app and then you see in
their profile literally that they're like I love sailing, then
you can go and be like, you know, you research
sailing before your first day, Whereas before I feel like
it's always been a thing. Someone says, you know, someone says, oh,
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I love hiking, and the other person's like just in
the moment, like, yeah, me too, Oh yeah hiking this morning? Yeah,
I just just got you. See we're in hiking boots
right now. Cool. Where did you hike? Oh? The Appellations?
That's awesome. I'll you should take me there. I've always
wanted to hike that. That's my dream. Do you want
to go right now? Yes? Se is going well, Yeah,
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things are going great. I think we might seal the
deal later tonight on top of the Appalachian Mountains. Wait
till you hear my dirty talk man all hiking themes
he was getting. I am, Yeah, yeah, you like my granola?
What that's what that is. I thought that was your balls.
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Try and find the M and m's. I don't know,
you know, I have no idea what I'm talking about anymore,
but it's okay, that's the point. I'm faking it. I'm
thinking at this podcast right now, I was gonna say,
you sucked at this, but your confidence in spite of that,
it's very admirable. Well we didn't say this, but you
had to sit there and watch me butcher the intro
like three times because I kept stuttering. I was gonna
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ask while watching that, now that the cat is out
of the bag and the audience knows that you fucked
up royally in front of your esteemed gas um, is
that what it's like recording YouTube videos for you, where
when you have given yourself a script, you end up
having to say things like ten fifteen times. Sometimes not
all the time, but sometimes it's just like, my worst
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nightmare is someone finding an unedited YouTube video of me
where I repeat the same thing like fifteen times. It's
so embarrassing to think about people. It's embarrassing. But here's
what you gotta do. Have an orgasm. Oh right, right,
when you start filming bus a nut, don't actually fake it,
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but that'll that'll drop the embarrassment. Then you won't feel
that anymore. You have that fake post nut clarity where
suddenly all of your inhibitions are gone. No, I I
feel the same way. I but I like, I have
an editor now, And when I first found him, I
would send him footage and be like, I'm so sorry
for five minutes and seven minutes and ten minutes in
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like you're gonna see these me now. I just whenever
it happens, I just apologized to him, like on camera,
because I know he's gonna watch the footage. I'm like,
sorry about that. I'm an idiot. Let me try and
take it again. And it doesn't like it's like anything.
Once you just do it for a few times, then
you're like you realize that he's he's not going to
judge that hard. It's like the most human thing ever,
Like fucking up and then being like god damn it
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and trying it again. Yeah, that is extremely human. Like
it's just so fragile and in the like us as
people that want to like seem cold. You took the
words out of my mouth, brother, all right, Drew, shut
up for a second, because we're gonna take a quick break,
but when we come back, me and Drew are going
to tweak this piece of advice in real time for y'all. Okay,
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grab a pack of all the fields. Okay, we're back
and listen this one. I thought about it, and this
one is a little because the advice itself isn't the worst,
but we wanted I wanted to change it a little bit.
Are you ready? I'm ready. Fake it till you make it,
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don't fake it till you break it. I wrote it
like that because it rhymes. Did you pick up on
that I'm familiar with rhyming? Okay, okay, cool? So what
did you What do you think? I think that I
want you to explain it to me. Okay, I'll put
it this way. Faking confidence and competence can be great
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right in the workplace or in a date, for example.
But I feel like it's always good a good idea
to put the a little work in simultaneously, Like familiarize
yourself with whatever you're faking Like if you if you
wrote proficient in Spanish on the resume, why not like
download Dueling go and teach yourself a little bit, like
enough to get by. Yeah, I think there's a middle
ground there. You don't want to just hardcore a lie
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about everything if you Yeah, if you're quote unquote proficient
in a language, you would should least to learn a
little bit. But yeah, and also taking it is if
it is in the workplace, taking it is sort of
a challenge upon yourself, Like, Okay, I got into the
job because I said I could do this. Now I
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need to prove to them and myself that I'm capable
of doing that. But you should go into it with
the confidence that you can achieve the thing you lied about,
because otherwise, if you lied completely about your skills to
get a job and it's completely unrealistic to ever have
those skills, you're funed. It's it's gonna be every day
is gonna be a nightmare. You're gonna be freaking out
your in way over your head, and it's not worth it. Yes, exactly,
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all right, dude. This is the part of the show
where we ask our guests you what is the worst
piece of advice that you've ever been given. So one
was a lot of like my teachers insisted I go
to college, and you know, ever the just society tells
you have to go to college. For me, I had
no idea of what I wanted to do in college,
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So it was just kind of a wasted year where
I didn't make any money and in fact had to
spend a bunch of money and spend the next several
years paying off that money. Um, I changed my major
like three times. That's not to say that college isn't
very valuable depending on what you're trying to do, but
me just taking that advice at face value in doing
this thing because other people said it was the right
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thing to do kind of just backfired for me. I
didn't really get anything out of it. But do you
also think that I feel like like sometimes that's that's
a good thing when you're younger and your parents are like,
just you gotta do this, and you're like, but why,
and like, like, I'm not to say, you know, I
think college was I'm not saying that was a good
or bad decision or whatever, but certain things like when
I was eighteen and I was I was gonna not
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go to college because I had a girlfriend in high school.
My mom was like, you're you just do it. You're
gonna Yeah, in five years, you're gonna regret doing that.
I'm just telling you. I know it seems like that's
not the case right now, but trust me, it's going
to be the case. And so you kind of just
have to trust what society like tells you sometimes about
things because you know it's been done over and over
and over again. Again. This is not college specific, but
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I'm just saying, like there are other things. Yeah. I
also think that the to grade my college experiences a
total failure and waste of time just because I didn't
finish is you know, that's not looking at the whole picture.
I think I had some I had a good time.
I learned a lot about myself. It's not just like, well,
I didn't get my degree, so I wasted all that money.
I think it was still a valuable experience for me,
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and who knows. I think I'm a big believer and
everything happens for a reason. I think it's easy to
look back on the things that you did or the
things that happened to get you to the point you're at,
and I love where I'm at in my life. So
all of those mistakes I made at some point, I'm
happy to have those because they led me to where
I am now. No regrets, that's right, That's what I
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was gonna say instead of everything else that I was
just gonna say, no regrets, but also no regrets, no
regrets the other bad advice, And I guess that's no
and bad advice. This one is similar. When I was
like nineteen, I uh, I've been working for a little bit.
I guess I was twenty at this point because I
had that whole year of college, came back work for
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a little bit. I was ready to buy my own car,
and I was told that the smart thing to do,
the financially responsible thing to do, is to buy an
old car for cheap and just maintain it and do
everything you can, and you'll save money because you don't
need to buy like a newer car. And for some
people that's true, but you've got to make sure that
the old car you're buying has been taken care of
by the people you're buying it from. I bought a
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two thousand one Nissan Ultima for like two thousand dollars,
and then I took it to a mechanic. They were like, oh,
you gotta get all this ship done. I was like, crap.
So I put like four hundred more dollars into it.
So I'm well over three thousand dollars into this car
at that point, thinking okay, you know what, I put
all this work into it that it'll be a good car.
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I got like two months out of that thing. It
was so fucked I I realized it. It had like
ten different owners. I'm pretty sure there was serious water
damage in there at some point, which is why I
would drive it. I'd be like stopped at a red light,
light would turn green, I'd go to accelerate, and the
whole car with like jolt before accelerating. Every time I
thought I was about to like you know, explode or something.
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It was terrifying. And so after basically I paid to
rent the world's shittiest car for four months and then
I just so what was the advice? The advice was
just too instead of buying, like investing in a newer car,
it was like you will get more, yeah, just like
you can get good value out of an old car,
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rather than just wanting to buy something new because it's newer.
And I wasted all that money and then ended up
trading that into the for the car I currently have,
which is a two thousand twelve Civic, And I got
five dollars for my Ultimu five five hundred dollars. That's
how bad it was. And this is back when I
was making like nine dollars an hour, So that is
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like everything I had worked for just down the drain.
And I could have just I could have just put
all that money into like the down payment of you know,
the newer car, which I has treated me very well
for the past five or six years or whatever. It's
pretty incredible that you can drive a car to the
point of being worthless. And that's the thing about that
advice is that plenty of people have have old cars
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with like two fifty thousand miles and it worked great,
But that's because they're taking care of them. For me,
it was like I bought it from this like shady
ass dealer. It was like when we're talking Craigslist dealer,
well it was Craig's List, but it was it was
a dealer on Craig's List, and we met on a
Sunday like outside of the dealership. So maybe I don't know.
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It's the whole thing about It's just like so many
red flags that I chose to ignore because I didn't
know any better. He's like, yeah, I just forgot the keys.
You can't get into the actual dealership. But this is mine,
now that I think about it. He probably wasn't even associated.
It's all Porsches and Asid Martin's and he's like, this
is what you what I'm usually flipping. But this is okay,
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speaking of bad advice, given, here's the lightning round. I'm
going to name two people of note, and you have
to tell me who you'd rather take advice from. In
this scenario, you have to take advice from one of
them and explain to me why you're choosing one over
the other. Okay, your wife or the Dali Lama. Uh So,
it's just the person I'm getting the advice from. I
don't know what the advice is. You have to know, Yeah, yeah,
that's a good point. Advice about anything, Okay, well, advice
(33:33):
about anything. My wife because she's an angel and I
love you baby listening. Uh No, I'd probably take advice
from the dollar La. I meant straight up. I mean,
I'm not gonna she'll understand. She gets she gets it.
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Greta Thunberg or the cash Me Outside girl, Greta Thunberg, right,
because she's smart. Yeah, cash Me Outside girl. Well she
has good music. She's good music. That well. I like
her music. Does she have songs besides cash Me Outside? Yeah?
(34:16):
You you never. She's like a big artist. Now what yes,
let that happen she's wait hold on, Daniel Brigoli, right,
what's her artist name? Oh? Is it like bad Baby,
bad Baby? Yeah? Bad Baby? Yeah? Geeked up? You know
that song? That's her? Anyways, I would pick her. Okay,
what do you think her advice would be? Well, I
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mean it depends what we're asking her. What do you think, like,
what would we ask her? She asked you, Hey, Cody,
you come across a dead body in the middle of
the road. Wait, that's not advice She's she's asking is
that's a riddle? It feels like, yeah, never mind, this
I might is hurting my brain all right. Next, Simon
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Cowell post scooter accident, So he's giving you advice in
a body cast or one of the Queer Eye guys,
but not Tan unfortunately, Um, I guess one of the
queer weird eye guys, and I would just hope it's
fashion advice. You know. If it's advice on how to
like swindle your way into the music industry, then I
(35:22):
made the wrong decision. Pete Davidson while he was married
to Ariana Grande or Pete Davidson post marriage, definitely post marriage.
Both of them have described that period is like, that
was weird that we did that, and then now he
seems to have really gotten his ship together. I'm actually
big fan of Pete Davidson. I think he's I think
he's funnier than people, and a lot of people don't
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like him because Ariana stands kind of band you know, bandwagon.
Some hate, but I think I like so I would
take super funny now. Yeah, I would take his advice
now too. He's also like he just did a movie.
He's you know, he's kind of like blowing and blowing
up in Hollywood now, well he was before, but now
he's like, guys, he's got like a feature film out,
you know. Yeah, and it's more like his own merit
(36:03):
rather than by association. Yes, and I take advice from
people based on their celebrity status usually, so he's bigger
now than he was back then. So that's why I
trust his opinion more, because he's more of a celebrity.
That's why I chose the Dolly Law. Yes, of course,
Harry Styles or Millie Bobby Brown, Harry Styles, Sorry, Millie,
(36:25):
you're a kid? DJ Kaled or Tim Cook? Yeah? DJ
Khaled for sure. Yeah. I don't know why I even
hesitated Donald Glover or Childish Camby Now that's a I guess.
I guess Childish camp Now he's got more of an edge. Yeah,
I don't know that. You know it's the same guy, right,
(36:47):
I know it's the same guy. But that's right. That's
that's why I'm like, well, I'm trying to figure out
what the difference would be if he's in character. I
know that that's the same It's the same dude. I
know it's the same guy. That's why I thought it
was like a trick question. Man, I'm so embarrassed right now.
This is worse than your intro to Bax. Fuck you man.
(37:14):
All right, before we call this one, we like to
ask our guests one final question. We've already talked about
the worst advice you've received, But what is the worst
advice you've ever given someone? Yeah, I've had a couple
of days to think about this, and I have no idea.
And I realized I don't give anyone advice. No one
asked me for advice. I don't have anything valuable to
tell them, and that could potentially be the worst advice
(37:36):
or the best advice that you could give is nothing
at all. Yeah, I mean, in this case, it's I
guess it's the worst assuming people were really hoping for
some good advice and I have nothing to offer them.
It's kind of the worst case scenario that, Yeah, that
I guess that in itself is really bad advice. So
that kind of totally works. There's some kid listening right now,
(37:58):
like what would Drew do? Please tell me I'm at
a crossroads in my life. What should I do? Drew?
And you're like, I don't just a shrug with like
a balloon sound effect or something, and like, yeah, just
don't a cartoon little I don't know, man, Yeah, that's
all I got for you. That's perfect. That's like really
(38:21):
poetic in a in a sense. Sure, now that you're married,
do you find that mutual friends come to you for
advice as like a package deal, like you and your wife,
or did they come to her more. I think in
that scenario they would be asking a question to both
of us, but they're putting more stock into Amanda's answer,
So I think, yeah, I'm just kind of there because
(38:42):
they know you're not gonna say anything. Yeah, I'm just
gonna arms crossed silence. I might even like give them
a mean glare. Yeah, yeah you're there, just to go
yeah what she said? Yeah she said what I don't she? Yeah?
I agree with my wife and I love my wife
as well. Let the record show true, I got fired.
(39:07):
What should I do? I don't love my wife. Man, man,
she meets the world to do. You know what I
would do? I would get a wife if I were you,
but not mine, because not mine, because she's perfect. Well,
there you have it, folks, another open and shut case.
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That's what I do best. Faking it till you make
it can be largely positive slash beneficial, especially if you're
trying to buy yourself some time until your skill set
catches up to your mindset. Just make sure you're not
cause playing a profession you have no intention of learning
or your ass is gonna get caught. I want to
thank Drew for coming on today. Thank you so much. Man,
(39:47):
it's great to see you, great to talk to you.
Is there anything you want to plug? No, I just
want to reveal that I was faking this entire podcast.
I have been a cardboard cutout this entire time. The
real Drew is a sound asleep in his band. Holy heck,
we got played, folks. And again that might be even
more poetic of an ending then your non advice segment.
(40:10):
So thank you for coming on, cardboard cutout of Drew.
I appreciate you, and tell Drew I say, Hi, I
can't I can't speak. I can on this podcast, but
I can't in real life. It's complicated. Hey. Check out
Drew's YouTube channel True Good and on YouTube. Everyone. Thanks
for joining me. Thanks you have a troubled with life.
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and Welcome to the Pleasure is Ours, the podcast in
which we examine some of the worst advice people hear
their whole lives and try to make it better. I
(01:07):
guarantee you all of these pieces of advice have been
marketed to you over and over again as good. But
you have been lied to, my friend, and it is
my job to explain how and why a man you
haven't troubled with life won't let me give you some advice.
First of all, all the ship that they all told
you was right is not right. I'll explain. Just give
(01:29):
me a second of your time. You see, they tell
you just to be yourself, But what happens if you're
fucking lame? I'm just kidding. You're not lame, You're a treasure.
I'll show you how to get there. You would be
our pleasure. Take it till you make it might be
the most widely used and abused phrase we ever dissect
(01:50):
on this show, but this one really begs the question
is this a coherent thought or does it just rhyme?
Let's get into it. This one is interesting to me
because I don't hate it, like, for example, no one
that puts proficient in Microsoft Excel on their resume, has
ever attempted to actually make a spreadsheet. That's just a
widely accepted social contract we've all agreed to, and it's
(02:10):
a victimless crime. But on the opposite end of the spectrum,
if you pretend you're a doctor to pick up chicks,
you may find yourself attempting CPR on someone's Grandma Lloyd
Christmas style. And now your love interest has gone and
Marjorie is on our way to the Pearly gates. What
I'm trying to say is you got to choose your
lies wisely or the ruse will come crashing down on
you like a house of cards. Today I'm joined by
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one of my absolute favorite funny people in the game.
You know him from his live performances all over the
US as well as YouTube, Instagram, TikTok and Vine. You
guys can't see me right now, but I'm you know,
I'm pouring one out for Vine. I'm talking, of course
about my boy Drew Gooden. Welcome to the show, Drew,
who else? Who else? I'm talking, of course about my
(02:53):
close boy Drew Gooden. We're close boys. I haven't seen
you in a long time. Yeah, we approx mnywise, not
so close. I'm on the other end of the country.
But relationship wise, I think very highly of you. And
based on that intro, it sounds like you return that
sentiment to me. So thinks no worries. Yeah, no worries.
I was reading off a thing, but totally I feel
(03:14):
that way. Did you? Did you write it? At least
or someone else wrote that? Was someone else? But I
mean I feel pretty good about Well, wait, who wrote it?
I want to be there. Friends. They seemed to really
like me. I'll give you Dave's number. You guys can
Dave awesome? Oh I know Dave. Yeah, Dave. Yeah, you're close, boy, Dave,
(03:36):
We are close. Boys. Listen, I haven't seen you since
we were both in Louisville. And we're at that bar
that has golfing inside the gulf simulator. Which that's when
you know you're at a where you're at a dope establishment,
is when they have an indoor golf simulator. Yeah, that
is the only bar I've ever been to that had
(03:57):
an indoor golf simulator. And also that night I had
the best pizza I've ever had in my life. It
was just Papa John's. But I was drunk and it
was after after a show and you always feel great
after a show, and were like two drinks, best pizza ever,
and like, let me ask you, let me ask you this.
We were talking a little bit that night about performing
and because that was you and Danny's first tour, second tour,
(04:20):
first one, first tour, one of one and you guys
wrote it and rehearsed it and then performed all over
the United States. Right, yes, and this is like and
it was a comedy show. Uh that's perspective. Yes, it
was supposed to be. It was supposed to be a
comedy show. I think it turned out pretty funny. I
(04:40):
think it was a learning experience. A lot of things
we planned. It actually evolved a lot as it when
we cut some things out after the first show. There
were things we did in the first show we never
did again. But overall, fun experience and I think we're
both pretty proud of our the end product. But I
feel like this is a good segue into what I
was just talking about in the intro, is that like,
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what did you feel like were you faking it when
you first got up on stage? Because it's it's a
tough I mean I think I feel like a lot
of people, you know, they they're trained. They they spend
their entire life performing to get to a point where
they're able to do a show like that. But I
feel like with YouTube, it's just a little like shortcut
and we like to just like, oh, now we're on stage, hie. Yeah.
(05:23):
It's almost um insulting to other performers. How quickly we're
just like we made some videos on the internet, we
can do live shows in front of a thousand plus people. Yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna do it now. By the way,
what you guys, We're just gonna do that. So we're
gonna do it. Yeah, never done it before. All the
Soul shows already sold out. That's how it's like a
(05:46):
slap in the face to these like trained theater performers.
But there's a lot, there's a lot of faking and
involved every single night. I was extremely nervous. Um, that's
just sort of this state I'm in through most of life.
But espec Actually, when you have like an eight o'clock
show and you have nothing to do all day but
think about everything that could go wrong, you just kind
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of have to lie to yourself and say everything's gonna
be okay, even when you know deep down there's a
chance it might not be totally. That was always the
worst for me too. I would get so nervous and
even trying to work, like be productive during the day
because you have all day just to do whatever the fuck.
But I could never get this snagging feeling out of
my mind. That's like, you're you're gonna go up on
(06:30):
stage at the end of this day and you're probably
gonna sunk up. Yeah, and the only way, I mean,
it's sort of dulls the more we did it, Yeah,
I think so too. Yeah, never went away. But I
feel like I actually feel like I felt this in
most of my life, Like even when I was a
software engineer, my very first job in l A. I
thought I was way underqualified for and I got the
(06:54):
job and I showed up just nervous as funk my
very first day, and I ended up being you know,
it ended up being a great job and I got
along with the team just fine. But I feel like
this is just a reoccurring theme in my life, just
completely just being like a fraud. Yeah, that's a good word.
I was gonna say, going in blind, maybe but no, yeah,
we're just straight up frauds. Frauds were criminals. Yeah. No.
(07:16):
I had a job like that too, where I had
no qualifications whatsoever, and my dad's friend hooked me up
with a job I was very underqualified for. It was like,
there's carpentery involved, wiring of like led life and stuff,
things I'd never done in my life before, and I
just kind of showed up and pretended like I belonged.
But wait, when was this? That was when I was
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like twenty three, I might so my job history is, uh,
snow cone restaurant, fast food restaurant, different fast food restaurant, carpenter. Okay, yeah,
that was natural, the natural progression. Yeah, yeah, I was.
It was you know, it was always coming. Um. But
I feel like the then diagram of snow cone skills
(07:59):
and car tree, there's actually a lot in the middle.
It's almost entirely just one big circle. You work with
power tools, that's actually about it. I remember making snow cones.
We had a big machine that I was scared of
because if I put my hand in there, it would
not come out. So my dad's friend who hired me,
was doing me a huge favor because I just wanted
(08:20):
a decent paying job that wasn't fast food. And but
all the other people working there were like these older
men who had been doing it for twenty thirty years
and they're just like man, they would get so annoyed
at me. They'd be like, they asked, they asked me
to hand them a tool and I didn't know what
it was and they describe it to me and I'd
be like, I still don't know what that is. Oh,
(08:40):
so like they didn't get mad at you because they
were like gate keeping the construction job. That might have
been part of it. There might have been some resentment
where it's like this, fucking kid, you can't just walk
in here and use tools. Yeah, you gotta go to
carpentry school for ten years, you know what. I don't
know what the normal procedure would be, but yeah, no,
it was just because I was bad at everything and
it made their job even harder. Like I feel bad
(09:04):
almost when when I we we did the Montreal Comedy Festival,
talking to like, you know and speaking with like legitimate
comedians like after the show, talking about like touring and
stuff like that, and I just felt like a fucking fraud,
Like they're like, what, you can just do this now?
Did they say stuff like that to you or you
just felt that from them? They didn't say that, nobody
(09:24):
actually ever said it, but I feel like they're thinking
that right right. I was gonna say if they were
just like I just gave you like the cold shoulder, Uh,
that'd be really funny. Um. And I guess they kind
of deserved to do that. I don't know. That's how
I would feel so infuri in a room like that.
I'm glad that I was not in that situation. What
(09:45):
about like when you started doing content, you used to
edit for someone? Right? I did? Yeah, I edited for
Thomas Sanders, Yes, Thomas Sanders. And did you know how
to edit before that? Like? Is that something you just
jumped into? And that's That's actually another good thing for
this topic because it was very similar and I guess
Thomas is hearing this now. I did have some familiarity
(10:05):
with like Adobe permiter, but I learned so much stuff
from doing that job for him, for editing, from editing
for him, because it'd be like he'd be like, hey,
can you do this, and I'd be like, yes, I
know how to do that, and then I would google
how to do that men figure it out. There was
a lot of faking it, but it always worked out.
If I had the editing experience that I have now,
(10:27):
If I had this experience, then I could have edited
everything like three times as fast. Right. Still, I got
everything done for the most part when I needed to,
and I learned a lot in the process. So thank
you Thomas for that job. Thomas, if you're listening, which
I know you are, don't sue me. I knew a
little bit about editing. Wait, I could get sued for
(10:48):
this ship. Cut that out. I feel like that's the
best way to approach something new things, new challenges is
you gotta scratch the service, get a little bit, get
get informed a little bit, and then just dive the
funk in and that's how you learn. Yeah, that's the
best way to learn ship. You just hope that you
get the opportunity to do that because a lot of
employers will not have the same mindset where they're like, oh,
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you don't you kind of know what you're doing, but
not really, I'd rather hire hire someone else with you know,
ten years of experience. My actually, my very first job
in l A. I started the job on like an
off week because they pay you every two weeks. And
so I started and I didn't get paid for three weeks,
and we got this apartment and I had to pay rent,
and so I someone texted me or I answered a
job posting or something for an app that someone wanted built,
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and I answered it and I said, I can do this,
even though I couldn't, but I said, I've never written
like an app privately for someone from start to finish before,
besides myself never done the client work before ever. But
I said, I was a contractor and I was a
software guy, and this is what I this is what
I do, And so he's like, okay, let's do it. Uh.
The app that I want is a messenger app where
my friends and I can send each other pictures of
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bananas all day. And that's it, not typing, not in anything,
just send we want to send pictures of bananas to
each other. You know, there's already an app for that.
You just have to set that limitation yourself. You could
just make it. And I was like, why can't you
just do it? And I message He's like, it's an
inside joke and it would really mean a lot to me.
And so I. I did it somehow. I just went
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on these programm reforms figured out how to do it,
and I made Banana Graham and I that's how I
paid my rent the very first week I was in
l A. Yeah, I know, all right, Drew. Let's talk
about women. You're married, right, sure, I am. When you
met your wife, did you like, were you faking it?
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You know? Because I feel like when you when you're
on a first date, that's another thing. Is you gotta
like pretend you're way cooler than you are? Right? Are
you saying I'm not cool, You're cool? But I'm saying,
uh no, So I yes, I I think more so,
I would say with my previous relationships, I think by
the time I got to her, I had kind of
had some authentic fidence. Plus my my current wife, current
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wife as my wife as of today. Uh So we
met through fine, we met online and did long distance
for a little bit. So our first date was like
four months in. Wait, four months in. You were guys
who were a boyfriend and girlfriend, but like online, Yes,
so we had met online. We were we FaceTime, we
talked on the phone, did a lot of you know,
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but we didn't actually meet in person until we've already
been talking for about some months, and at that point
there's so so much built up anticipation and pressure. No
amount of faking confidence in the world could get me
to feel confident. That night, it was like, so I
was so nervous, she was so nervous. And we also
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I picked her up at the airport at like eleven PM,
so we don't even have like a whole day to
kind of ease into it. It's like the first time
we're seeing each other, it's like, hey, and we're gonna
go to bed now and see you in the morning,
and then to meet you, you want to head back
to my place. It was just but then you know,
everything was fine the next day, but it was just
like it's you can be so confident and feel like
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you really know someone, but then the moment you meet
them in person, see them for the first time, it's
like you have no idea what to say. So that's
okay though, right. I think the lesson is that both
people feel like that probably yeah, and I think it's
okay to acknowledge that awkwardness. I think that was the
situation where it would have been worse if I was
faking it if I was trying to like, oh, this
is normal, this is cool. Getting having both of us
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acknowledge the awkwardness of the situation is actually beneficial, I think, right,
because I guess faking in that sense would be like
playing way too confident, like a funk boy. Like yeah,
she's like, I'm not sure how to read your emotions.
You just kind of like too cool, And it's like
never mind. You can take her out of the airport
and you're like, yeah, should we get out of here
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because some go someplace more quiet. She's like, well, I
would hope, so most places are quieter than the place
where planes take off from. So then and then it
blossomed from there. It did blossom actually pretty quickly. That
night was weird, But then the next day we went
to Universal Studios at a very fun day and it
was just kind of smooth sailing from there. And then
we got married the next day. Wow. Again, a classic
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love story. Classic love story. Four months long distance, one
night together, then you're married. I gotta say, I feel
like one thing that I'm really bad at that maybe
everyone is really bad at that. People fake all the
time is dirty talk. I'm just not a natural at
it and so and people like it. That's the thing, right,
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Like when you're with someone, they like to hear it.
But you just, especially when you're first starting to like
have sex and stuff like that, you just try to
replicate what you see in porn, which is all wrong,
every the opposite of what you should be doing, and
saying yeah, it's the worst frame of reference. Uh yeah,
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you like you like that big my big asked cheeks.
Do you like? That's what I say? That's what I say.
I guess yeah, No, it's dirty talk is very unnatural.
But I do think that's another thing where that generally
goes both ways. It's you're both kind of faking the
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confidence with that where and maybe maybe I'm wrong, but
in my experience, maybe it's just my awkwardness rubbing off
on the other person involved. But it does seem like,
you know, trying to stake yourself seriously in that moment
can sometimes be difficult, and sometimes you just gotta laugh.
Have you ever faked an orgasm? I know that's a
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weird question for you know, a close boy to ask
another close boy only while jerking off. What No, I
just I don't want to insult. I didn't want to
insult myself. Yeah, I felt like I was doing such
a good job. I didn't want to make myself think
I was in fear here, so I just pretended to
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be done with Oh, that was great, and then fell
right asleep. Yo, you were so good. I have never
done so in a sexual environment, nor have I needed to.
And that's all I'll say about that. Okay, have you
ever done it? Have you ever done it in a
non sexual Oh? I have. I actually have really my
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very first like not very first, but one of the
first acting classes that I ever took. The teacher on
the very first day, the teacher made me get up
in fake an orgasm in front of the class. Oh,
because it was like an exercise in like dropping your
ego and learning how to like just you know, be
yourself and not embarrassed. I heard the word class before acting.
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That just how that's how it registered my brain. I
was teaching just like a regular class where yes, calculus
actually in junior year. Junior year, the teacher Cody, why
don't you get up in fake an orgasm because you
just got that question wrong. Yeah, I think a lot
of orgasms here. That's a that's interesting. I mean that is. Yeah,
that's a good point. Like I haven't taken like an
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acting class, but improv. You know, I've taken improv classes.
That is sort of letting go of your ego, letting
go of yourself. That is an interesting exercise that more
people should do. More people should take an orgasm, more
people should Yes, that's actually should be part of your
morning routine. Actually, I would, I would. I would suggest
people say meditate, and I would say add onto that,
just go ahead and bust a nut, you know, but
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don't actually just fake it at the end of the meditation.
That's when you when the meditation climaxes, is with a
fake orgasm. Yeah, I feel like that's truly jumping in
the deep end, you know, the stuff that they make
you do the warmups for an improv or an acting
class or something that's just like just fucking be weird
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and drop every guard that you have. That's kind of
what improv is all about. Is uh, fake until you
make it is sort of the mantra of improv because
a lot of times you're thrust into a scene that
has no direction or anything, and you just hope that
you know where I failed an improv A lot was
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I would come I would come out like kind of timid,
But you've got to just go into it even if
you don't know what the fun is going on. Usually
that confidence is rewarded and things start to make sense.
But if you're just sort of like you're both at
both people in the sceners are like, I don't know
what's happening. It's just never gonna go anywhere. Yeah, I agree,
But that's like all the way on the end of
the spectrum where you have to give it your all
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and just not give a funk, whereas, like I feel
like most jobs you have to have a little bit
of that where you're like, Okay, I'm just gonna jump
in and see what's good, but you have to like
also have your ship together a little bit. Yeah, if
you're like a firefighter, you know, you don't want to
pretend you know how to put out fires. You're just
gonna walk into your like do I use my body
to put the fire out? Just walk straight into it,
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way too confident it's not gonna end. Well, yeah, I
guess there's there's also a scenario on the complete opposite side,
where you where you're going to first date with someone say,
and you're like, yeah, I'm vegan. They're like awesome, me too, Like, yeah,
I love being vegan and eating things that you know,
grow and all that stuff. It's sick. Yeah. I like
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to eat grass and yeah you have no idea grass, wheat,
grass smoothies, grass of grass. M I like to smoke grass.
Oh hell yeah, dude, I'm a big time grass smoker.
I Meanwhile, she's like, yes, yes, yes, I am too.
I am too. And then fast forward what like a month,
and then you're vegan. Yeah, yeah, you just are vegan.
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Now like you're just stuck. God forbid. Things go really well.
You move in together. Now now you're faced with the
dilemma of like, do I continue this lie to preserve
the relationship or do I just come clean knowing that
everything could come crashing down. Yes, and I think the
right answer is preserved. The lie live a lie. You
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are in too deep. You want to fake it till
you make it, until you're absolutely living at one hundred
percent lie and you're another another person completely Yeah, until yeah,
you physically transform, you have just you look completely different.
I think in general with relationships, there's a lot of
examples these days with the state of technology and all that,
a lot of examples of people faking aspects about themselves
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before they even meet, before the relationship even starts. I
feel like that's always been a thing, though you can
do it more now with dating apps. Like if you
go on a dating app and then you see in
their profile literally that they're like I love sailing, then
you can go and be like, you know, you research
sailing before your first day, Whereas before I feel like
it's always been a thing. Someone says, you know, someone says, oh,
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I love hiking, and the other person's like just in
the moment, like, yeah, me too, Oh yeah hiking this morning? Yeah,
I just just got you. See we're in hiking boots
right now. Cool. Where did you hike? Oh? The Appellations?
That's awesome. I'll you should take me there. I've always
wanted to hike that. That's my dream. Do you want
to go right now? Yes? Se is going well, Yeah,
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things are going great. I think we might seal the
deal later tonight on top of the Appalachian Mountains. Wait
till you hear my dirty talk man all hiking themes
he was getting. I am, Yeah, yeah, you like my granola?
What that's what that is. I thought that was your balls.
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Try and find the M and m's. I don't know,
you know, I have no idea what I'm talking about anymore,
but it's okay, that's the point. I'm faking it. I'm
thinking at this podcast right now, I was gonna say,
you sucked at this, but your confidence in spite of that,
it's very admirable. Well we didn't say this, but you
had to sit there and watch me butcher the intro
like three times because I kept stuttering. I was gonna
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ask while watching that, now that the cat is out
of the bag and the audience knows that you fucked
up royally in front of your esteemed gas um, is
that what it's like recording YouTube videos for you, where
when you have given yourself a script, you end up
having to say things like ten fifteen times. Sometimes not
all the time, but sometimes it's just like, my worst
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nightmare is someone finding an unedited YouTube video of me
where I repeat the same thing like fifteen times. It's
so embarrassing to think about people. It's embarrassing. But here's
what you gotta do. Have an orgasm. Oh right, right,
when you start filming bus a nut, don't actually fake it,
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but that'll that'll drop the embarrassment. Then you won't feel
that anymore. You have that fake post nut clarity where
suddenly all of your inhibitions are gone. No, I I
feel the same way. I but I like, I have
an editor now, And when I first found him, I
would send him footage and be like, I'm so sorry
for five minutes and seven minutes and ten minutes in
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like you're gonna see these me now. I just whenever
it happens, I just apologized to him, like on camera,
because I know he's gonna watch the footage. I'm like,
sorry about that. I'm an idiot. Let me try and
take it again. And it doesn't like it's like anything.
Once you just do it for a few times, then
you're like you realize that he's he's not going to
judge that hard. It's like the most human thing ever,
Like fucking up and then being like god damn it
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and trying it again. Yeah, that is extremely human. Like
it's just so fragile and in the like us as
people that want to like seem cold. You took the
words out of my mouth, brother, all right, Drew, shut
up for a second, because we're gonna take a quick break,
but when we come back, me and Drew are going
to tweak this piece of advice in real time for y'all. Okay,
(24:44):
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don't know what to choose. There's so many different Like
they're all different colors. I don't know what it is,
ribbed non ribbed? Do I want with the flavor? Who's
the flavor or for me or her? I don't know.
It can be difficult finding the one that's right for you.
(25:05):
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grab a pack of all the fields. Okay, we're back
and listen this one. I thought about it, and this
one is a little because the advice itself isn't the worst,
but we wanted I wanted to change it a little bit.
Are you ready? I'm ready. Fake it till you make it,
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don't fake it till you break it. I wrote it
like that because it rhymes. Did you pick up on
that I'm familiar with rhyming? Okay, okay, cool? So what
did you What do you think? I think that I
want you to explain it to me. Okay, I'll put
it this way. Faking confidence and competence can be great
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right in the workplace or in a date, for example.
But I feel like it's always good a good idea
to put the a little work in simultaneously, Like familiarize
yourself with whatever you're faking Like if you if you
wrote proficient in Spanish on the resume, why not like
download Dueling go and teach yourself a little bit, like
enough to get by. Yeah, I think there's a middle
ground there. You don't want to just hardcore a lie
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about everything if you Yeah, if you're quote unquote proficient
in a language, you would should least to learn a
little bit. But yeah, and also taking it is if
it is in the workplace, taking it is sort of
a challenge upon yourself, Like, Okay, I got into the
job because I said I could do this. Now I
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need to prove to them and myself that I'm capable
of doing that. But you should go into it with
the confidence that you can achieve the thing you lied about,
because otherwise, if you lied completely about your skills to
get a job and it's completely unrealistic to ever have
those skills, you're funed. It's it's gonna be every day
is gonna be a nightmare. You're gonna be freaking out
your in way over your head, and it's not worth it. Yes, exactly,
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all right, dude. This is the part of the show
where we ask our guests you what is the worst
piece of advice that you've ever been given. So one
was a lot of like my teachers insisted I go
to college, and you know, ever the just society tells
you have to go to college. For me, I had
no idea of what I wanted to do in college,
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So it was just kind of a wasted year where
I didn't make any money and in fact had to
spend a bunch of money and spend the next several
years paying off that money. Um, I changed my major
like three times. That's not to say that college isn't
very valuable depending on what you're trying to do, but
me just taking that advice at face value in doing
this thing because other people said it was the right
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thing to do kind of just backfired for me. I
didn't really get anything out of it. But do you
also think that I feel like like sometimes that's that's
a good thing when you're younger and your parents are like,
just you gotta do this, and you're like, but why,
and like, like, I'm not to say, you know, I
think college was I'm not saying that was a good
or bad decision or whatever, but certain things like when
I was eighteen and I was I was gonna not
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go to college because I had a girlfriend in high school.
My mom was like, you're you just do it. You're
gonna Yeah, in five years, you're gonna regret doing that.
I'm just telling you. I know it seems like that's
not the case right now, but trust me, it's going
to be the case. And so you kind of just
have to trust what society like tells you sometimes about
things because you know it's been done over and over
and over again. Again. This is not college specific, but
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I'm just saying, like there are other things. Yeah. I
also think that the to grade my college experiences a
total failure and waste of time just because I didn't
finish is you know, that's not looking at the whole picture.
I think I had some I had a good time.
I learned a lot about myself. It's not just like, well,
I didn't get my degree, so I wasted all that money.
I think it was still a valuable experience for me,
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and who knows. I think I'm a big believer and
everything happens for a reason. I think it's easy to
look back on the things that you did or the
things that happened to get you to the point you're at,
and I love where I'm at in my life. So
all of those mistakes I made at some point, I'm
happy to have those because they led me to where
I am now. No regrets, that's right, That's what I
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was gonna say instead of everything else that I was
just gonna say, no regrets, but also no regrets, no
regrets the other bad advice, And I guess that's no
and bad advice. This one is similar. When I was
like nineteen, I uh, I've been working for a little bit.
I guess I was twenty at this point because I
had that whole year of college, came back work for
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a little bit. I was ready to buy my own car,
and I was told that the smart thing to do,
the financially responsible thing to do, is to buy an
old car for cheap and just maintain it and do
everything you can, and you'll save money because you don't
need to buy like a newer car. And for some
people that's true, but you've got to make sure that
the old car you're buying has been taken care of
by the people you're buying it from. I bought a
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two thousand one Nissan Ultima for like two thousand dollars,
and then I took it to a mechanic. They were like, oh,
you gotta get all this ship done. I was like, crap.
So I put like four hundred more dollars into it.
So I'm well over three thousand dollars into this car
at that point, thinking okay, you know what, I put
all this work into it that it'll be a good car.
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I got like two months out of that thing. It
was so fucked I I realized it. It had like
ten different owners. I'm pretty sure there was serious water
damage in there at some point, which is why I
would drive it. I'd be like stopped at a red light,
light would turn green, I'd go to accelerate, and the
whole car with like jolt before accelerating. Every time I
thought I was about to like you know, explode or something.
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It was terrifying. And so after basically I paid to
rent the world's shittiest car for four months and then
I just so what was the advice? The advice was
just too instead of buying, like investing in a newer car,
it was like you will get more, yeah, just like
you can get good value out of an old car,
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rather than just wanting to buy something new because it's newer.
And I wasted all that money and then ended up
trading that into the for the car I currently have,
which is a two thousand twelve Civic, And I got
five dollars for my Ultimu five five hundred dollars. That's
how bad it was. And this is back when I
was making like nine dollars an hour, So that is
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like everything I had worked for just down the drain.
And I could have just I could have just put
all that money into like the down payment of you know,
the newer car, which I has treated me very well
for the past five or six years or whatever. It's
pretty incredible that you can drive a car to the
point of being worthless. And that's the thing about that
advice is that plenty of people have have old cars
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with like two fifty thousand miles and it worked great,
But that's because they're taking care of them. For me,
it was like I bought it from this like shady
ass dealer. It was like when we're talking Craigslist dealer,
well it was Craig's List, but it was it was
a dealer on Craig's List, and we met on a
Sunday like outside of the dealership. So maybe I don't know.
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It's the whole thing about It's just like so many
red flags that I chose to ignore because I didn't
know any better. He's like, yeah, I just forgot the keys.
You can't get into the actual dealership. But this is mine,
now that I think about it. He probably wasn't even associated.
It's all Porsches and Asid Martin's and he's like, this
is what you what I'm usually flipping. But this is okay,
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speaking of bad advice, given, here's the lightning round. I'm
going to name two people of note, and you have
to tell me who you'd rather take advice from. In
this scenario, you have to take advice from one of
them and explain to me why you're choosing one over
the other. Okay, your wife or the Dali Lama. Uh So,
it's just the person I'm getting the advice from. I
don't know what the advice is. You have to know, Yeah, yeah,
that's a good point. Advice about anything, Okay, well, advice
(33:33):
about anything. My wife because she's an angel and I
love you baby listening. Uh No, I'd probably take advice
from the dollar La. I meant straight up. I mean,
I'm not gonna she'll understand. She gets she gets it.
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Greta Thunberg or the cash Me Outside girl, Greta Thunberg, right,
because she's smart. Yeah, cash Me Outside girl. Well she
has good music. She's good music. That well. I like
her music. Does she have songs besides cash Me Outside? Yeah?
(34:16):
You you never. She's like a big artist. Now what yes,
let that happen she's wait hold on, Daniel Brigoli, right,
what's her artist name? Oh? Is it like bad Baby,
bad Baby? Yeah? Bad Baby? Yeah? Geeked up? You know
that song? That's her? Anyways, I would pick her. Okay,
what do you think her advice would be? Well, I
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mean it depends what we're asking her. What do you think, like,
what would we ask her? She asked you, Hey, Cody,
you come across a dead body in the middle of
the road. Wait, that's not advice She's she's asking is
that's a riddle? It feels like, yeah, never mind, this
I might is hurting my brain all right. Next, Simon
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Cowell post scooter accident, So he's giving you advice in
a body cast or one of the Queer Eye guys,
but not Tan unfortunately, Um, I guess one of the
queer weird eye guys, and I would just hope it's
fashion advice. You know. If it's advice on how to
like swindle your way into the music industry, then I
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made the wrong decision. Pete Davidson while he was married
to Ariana Grande or Pete Davidson post marriage, definitely post marriage.
Both of them have described that period is like, that
was weird that we did that, and then now he
seems to have really gotten his ship together. I'm actually
big fan of Pete Davidson. I think he's I think
he's funnier than people, and a lot of people don't
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like him because Ariana stands kind of band you know, bandwagon.
Some hate, but I think I like so I would
take super funny now. Yeah, I would take his advice
now too. He's also like he just did a movie.
He's you know, he's kind of like blowing and blowing
up in Hollywood now, well he was before, but now
he's like, guys, he's got like a feature film out,
you know. Yeah, and it's more like his own merit
(36:03):
rather than by association. Yes, and I take advice from
people based on their celebrity status usually, so he's bigger
now than he was back then. So that's why I
trust his opinion more, because he's more of a celebrity.
That's why I chose the Dolly Law. Yes, of course,
Harry Styles or Millie Bobby Brown, Harry Styles, Sorry, Millie,
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you're a kid? DJ Kaled or Tim Cook? Yeah? DJ
Khaled for sure. Yeah. I don't know why I even
hesitated Donald Glover or Childish Camby Now that's a I guess.
I guess Childish camp Now he's got more of an edge. Yeah,
I don't know that. You know it's the same guy, right,
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I know it's the same guy. But that's right. That's
that's why I'm like, well, I'm trying to figure out
what the difference would be if he's in character. I
know that that's the same It's the same dude. I
know it's the same guy. That's why I thought it
was like a trick question. Man, I'm so embarrassed right now.
This is worse than your intro to Bax. Fuck you man.
(37:14):
All right, before we call this one, we like to
ask our guests one final question. We've already talked about
the worst advice you've received, But what is the worst
advice you've ever given someone? Yeah, I've had a couple
of days to think about this, and I have no idea.
And I realized I don't give anyone advice. No one
asked me for advice. I don't have anything valuable to
tell them, and that could potentially be the worst advice
(37:36):
or the best advice that you could give is nothing
at all. Yeah, I mean, in this case, it's I
guess it's the worst assuming people were really hoping for
some good advice and I have nothing to offer them.
It's kind of the worst case scenario that, Yeah, that
I guess that in itself is really bad advice. So
that kind of totally works. There's some kid listening right now,
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like what would Drew do? Please tell me I'm at
a crossroads in my life. What should I do? Drew?
And you're like, I don't just a shrug with like
a balloon sound effect or something, and like, yeah, just
don't a cartoon little I don't know, man, Yeah, that's
all I got for you. That's perfect. That's like really
(38:21):
poetic in a in a sense. Sure, now that you're married,
do you find that mutual friends come to you for
advice as like a package deal, like you and your wife,
or did they come to her more. I think in
that scenario they would be asking a question to both
of us, but they're putting more stock into Amanda's answer,
So I think, yeah, I'm just kind of there because
(38:42):
they know you're not gonna say anything. Yeah, I'm just
gonna arms crossed silence. I might even like give them
a mean glare. Yeah, yeah you're there, just to go
yeah what she said? Yeah she said what I don't she? Yeah?
I agree with my wife and I love my wife
as well. Let the record show true, I got fired.
(39:07):
What should I do? I don't love my wife. Man, man,
she meets the world to do. You know what I
would do? I would get a wife if I were you,
but not mine, because not mine, because she's perfect. Well,
there you have it, folks, another open and shut case.
(39:27):
That's what I do best. Faking it till you make
it can be largely positive slash beneficial, especially if you're
trying to buy yourself some time until your skill set
catches up to your mindset. Just make sure you're not
cause playing a profession you have no intention of learning
or your ass is gonna get caught. I want to
thank Drew for coming on today. Thank you so much. Man,
(39:47):
it's great to see you, great to talk to you.
Is there anything you want to plug? No, I just
want to reveal that I was faking this entire podcast.
I have been a cardboard cutout this entire time. The
real Drew is a sound asleep in his band. Holy heck,
we got played, folks. And again that might be even
more poetic of an ending then your non advice segment.
(40:10):
So thank you for coming on, cardboard cutout of Drew.
I appreciate you, and tell Drew I say, Hi, I
can't I can't speak. I can on this podcast, but
I can't in real life. It's complicated. Hey. Check out
Drew's YouTube channel True Good and on YouTube. Everyone. Thanks
for joining me. Thanks you have a troubled with life.
(40:33):
Well let me give you some of fun. The Pleasure
Is Ours is a production of I Heart Radio and
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(40:54):
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(41:16):
also you should be wrapping it up in the bedroom.
I'm talking, of course, about your painis You know, when
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