November 12, 2020 • 45 mins
I mean, sure, “everything happens for a reason,” but isn’t that kind of like saying, “water is wet?” On this episode of The Pleasure is Ours, host Cody Ko is joined by rapper, musician, and hilarious internet personality Rich Brian in a discussion that pins the concept of fate against those of hard work and determination. As someone who taught himself English and then got famous using the internet in Indonesia (a country that had previously restricted internet access), Rich Brian might very well be the authority on this subject. “Everything happens for a reason” is a pretty lazy piece of consolation for someone facing hard times, so Cody and Brian put their heads together to come up with some more helpful advice. And if you assume that their heady discussion about fate and destiny doesn’t somehow involve the 2 Girls 1 Cup video...you’d be wrong.
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if you have sex. I remember the first time I've
seen two girls one cup. I didn't even know what
it was is. I didn't even know I didn't even
know that girls ship. After watching the video, I cried
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in my room because I was just like, I can
believe that girls. Hey, man, you have a trouble with life,
won't let me give you some of funs? Hey? What's up?
I'm Cody co and welcome to the Pleasure Is Ours,
the podcast in which we examine some of the worst
advice people hear their whole lives and try to make
(01:24):
it better. Okay, they say everything happens for a reason,
and I think I get why this phrase is so pervasive.
I mean, it completely absolves you of personal responsibility. Entirely.
Try it. I clipped a pedestrian with my Toyota Yaris.
Everything happens for a reason. I fucked my best friend's girlfriend,
But everything happens for a reason. Oh, it turns out
on patient zero in the biggest HPV outbreak in the
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greater Los Angeles area. But everything happens for a reason. Right,
these are hypotheticals. Of course, I would never drive a
fucking ars. Let's dissect this one with a famous person.
I'm joined today by an insanely talented rapper, songwriter, singer,
and producer. You know him from his Gold Records Dat's
Stick and Gospel, as well as his album's Amen the
Sailor and the newly released DP ghost Face Killer from
(02:11):
the wou Tang Clan literally heard our guest music for
the first time and decided he wanted to collaborate with
him on the spot. He's also one of the funniest
people on Twitter in my opinion. I'm talking, of course,
about my friend rich Brian. Dude, how's it going? Amazing?
How you doing? Oh good man? Where are you right now?
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I'm currently in a hotel room in Cabo Cabo. Yeah?
Have you been here? Yeah? I love Cabo. How um,
how many like when you were here? How many days
we're you here for? I don't know I've been there.
I mean I usually i'll go for a week a week. Okay.
Does I feel like you're about a flex on me
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or something? Yeah, it's not really like I don't think
it's really a flex. I'm I'm here for like two
weeks um with my girlfriend and we've been having trouble,
like I don't know, just like looking for things to do,
Like I'm supposed to do anything. That's the that's the post.
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I'm not supposed to do anything. That's the point. Nothing.
You're supposed to lay by the pool and drink Margarita's
and coronas. That's what the That's what I've been seeing
around me, And I'm just like, how do people like
feel content with this? I'm actually the same way when
I'm on vacation. I like, I mean maybe more when
I was younger, but like reading by the pool was
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like the last thing. I was like boring, So like,
what we're gonna go on vacation and not do shit?
It's yeah, but that's what That's what relaxation is. I
don't want to complain. I'm not complaining. It sounds like
you're complaining. Last where are you right now? I'm in
l A. Oh man, I'm in my place. I haven't
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been in l A for I've been away from l
A for about uh like three months? Three months? Where
you where you went home? Right? Um? No? I actually,
um I went to China, China? What what you more?
I was in China by myself with three months. I
was I mean, I wasn't by myself, but I was
like I was doing this thing, this this work thing,
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which I don't know like how much I'm supposed to
like talk about it. But I basically had to go
there for three months by myself. Usually, like when I
traveled to other places, I go on my team, but
I was just by myself and it was a really
great opportunity, but at the same time, it made me
feel like really really isolated. The funniest thing is like,
I you know, everyone thinks that I can speak Chinese,
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but I can't at all because I just I look Chinese.
You know. Every single time there was like a conversation
happening around me, I'm just like not included. So I
just feel like I just feel like I'm like the
little brother that no one like talks to. It's basically
been like three months of that, so I just you know,
at this point, I'm in Cabo because you can't fly
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directly from China to the US, okay, because they're gonna
be like, have you been to China for the last
fourteen days and I'm here, so I could just be like, no,
I haven't. I've been chilling in Cabo, so okay, Yeah,
that's even more of a flex. You're just in Cabo
to quarantine. Like, I'm not even here for vacation. I'm
just here killing time before I can go home. Yeah,
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so you were in China for three months straight? Yeah,
dude for a work thing. It's for a work thing.
And I was mostly just by myself in my hotel
room every single day. So it was kind of depressing, man,
But sad What were you doing just jerking off a lot?
I was drinking off a lot, and I was I
was face timing with my girlfriend and we were just
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doing long distance. That definitely it took a toll with
my mental health and I cannot wait to go back
to l A. We should hang when you're back, dude,
I know, but um listen. I feel like your story
is the ultimate example of the phrase every happens for
a reason. I mean literally, a year before you were born,
a dictator who had pretty much banned the Internet in
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Indonesia was overthrown. Then you taught yourself English and got
really fucking famous using the Internet. But at the same time,
that phrase, you know, sort of discredits all the hard
work you've done to carve out your own destiny. Does
everything happen for a reason? In your opinion, I feel
like we're, you know, we're kind of pinning fate against
hard work here, but maybe some combination of the two.
(06:27):
I feel like, sometimes you make your own luck. What
do you think? Wow? Okay, um? Does everything happen for
a reason. This is something that I've been thinking about
a lot, because I've been like, I've been learning a
lot about like the universe and how everything's connected and
ship like that. And it's weird because you know, I've
experienced things where I feel like I would subconsciously do
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something that you know, at the time, I may have
thought it was like a bad decision or like I
was under a lot of stress, and then like a
few days later or a month later, look back at
it and I was like, oh, I'm so glad that
that happened, or I'm so glad I did that. So
it's weird. It's kind of like, I feel like everything
does happen for a reason, because like we're the you know,
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we as people like we do things and we think
that we're doing things. But I feel like, at the
end of the day, kind of shit just kind of
unfolds as it's supposed to. That's what I think. Yeah, Yeah,
I feel like that's a that's a better way of
putting it. It's not. It's not. I feel like it's not.
It's happening because there's some you know, your your fate
is written and predecided for you, and so everything is
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happenings as a part of some plan, when really it's
like everything happens and you work it out, you know,
like it works out, and so that's why you look
back and you say, you say, wait, I'm really happy
that happened. That must have happened because of this, and
it's like, no, everything happened in succession, and there's a
silver lining to a lot of things, except you know,
the ship, the really shitty things in life, you know
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what I'm saying right like, yeah, like you know, diseases
and stuff like you know, I don't have to we
don't have to get into that. Yeah it's okay, or
we know we let's talk about it. Let's talk about it, okay, cancer,
let's talk about it. What about like you know, you're
you're in a relationship right now? Yeah, you said you're
with your girlfriend, Yes I am, and you're deeply in
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love or what No, not at all? No, hopefully one day,
but for now we're just kind of taking it day
by Day's cool, but there's a lot of things about
it that pissed me off. No, I'm yes, I have
a girlfriend and she's actually in the room right now
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and she's listening, but she's out of frame and she's
just hearing me. Okay, good, thank god. But I think
she's cool too. Just said you're cool. She said thanks.
But do you think, like, do you do you look
back and you're like with at least like your ex
(09:02):
is Do you think, Oh, I'm like, I'm glad that
it didn't work out with them because now I found
this new person, or maybe I learned something from them.
Like I'm trying to say, like, do you think everything
happens for a reason when it comes to relationships? Yeah,
I mean, I I haven't haven't been in too many relationships,
but I think the relationships that I was in, like previously,
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definitely made me learn a lot of things about like
how you know, just just how shitty things can be, like,
because when you get into relationships, like for the first time,
you're kind of like you're kind of learning as you go,
And I in my past relationships, I definitely learned how
in a relationship. It's not it's not always, it's not
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always sweet, it's not always. It's almost like you learn,
you learn what you don't want exactly pretty much, and
then you find someone new and they're like, You're like, wait,
you're not all these things I didn't like about the
last person. I thought everyone was like that. I know
what I'm saying. I know, and I feel I still
have like some emotional baggage for my last relationships. Sometimes
I I feel like I overcompensate or try to anticipate
(10:08):
little things that I just remember how my X was
and adjust myself so I don't experience that reaction again.
Also like realizing that like, oh, you're actually a completely
different person. You're not like I don't have to do this,
I don't have to like yeah, yeah, yeah, which is
a very relieving feeling. It is definitely so yeah. I
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think everything that's happened for a reason in that case, Okay,
but what about with stuff like Two Girls, One Cup?
Why does that video exist? If everything happens for a reason,
why did that video exist? Yo? The first time I remember,
the first time I've seen Two Girls, One Cup, it
was when I was about nine years old. And I
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was in Indonesia. I was in Indonesia and my computer
was in the living room and this was like probably
like the second year that my family decided to like
install internet in my house. And I was on Facebook
and then someone had a link and I just clicked
on it, and then my mom was like right behind me.
She was like sweeping the floor of the house. And
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then as soon as the video started playing, like I
just saw like a girl just taking a ship into
a cup. But my mom wasn't looking at me. She
was just like she was, you know, she luckily, Like
I just saw her reflection on the monitor. And the
first thing I did was like I just unplugged the
cable from the CPU because it was like the big
gas computer and it was just it was just off.
(11:34):
And I was just like I didn't even know what
it was. I didn't even know that it was like this.
I didn't even know that girls ship. Yeah, I like
I remember after watching the video, I cried in my
room because I was just like I cant believe that
girl's spoop, like girls be shipping and farting as well, Like, um,
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I can't believe you were nine years old when you
first saw that, I'm thinking about how funked up that is,
and then I'm like, dude, nine year old are seeing
worship on TikTok right now? The average you know what,
the average, the average like thirst trap, TikTok is probably
worse for your brain than two Girls one Cup is, yeah,
because the thing is what two girls one cup is like,
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you know that it's not it's something that you're not
supposed to see, but yeah, it's there's traps. It's kind
of like it makes people think that this is like
the standard of how people are supposed to act TikTok, TikTok,
thirst trap at least, oh thirst traps. Yeah, yeah, not
two girls one cup that no one looks. No one's
looking at that and saying, oh wait, this is how
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things should go. This is No one's learning anything from
that video. Oh no, I learned a lot of things.
The only thing your brain does when you when you
watch a video like that, it's like it's like turn
it off, turn it off, know what it is. But
when you're on TikTok, your brains, like you know, it's
(13:04):
just like give me mean and just yeah, it's like
Instagram on steroids, you know, are you on TikTok? I am,
like to be honest, I do. I I try to. Like,
I feel like TikTok has a lot of cool I
don't know, I feel like it's a really versatile app
where I can just like find a lot of different
kind of content, like an inspiration, like if I want to, Like,
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I don't know, I sound like a boomer, but it's
definitely a great way to kind of like keep up
with what the kids are up to these days. Yeah,
that is that is definitely true. Yeah, I find myself
I feel more in tune when I'm cruising TikTok. How
often do you go on TikTok every day? Every day? Yeah,
when I'm shipping and stuff like that. That's the That's
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the number one app that I open up now when
I'm shipping because it's the most entertaining. Yeah. I also,
like I started making TikTok's um just for fun, but
I feel like recently I've been I really want to
post another TikTok, but I just don't know what to like,
I don't know what to what to post because I
want to, like, I get this thing where I just
become like competitive and I compare myself to the other TikTokers,
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and I want to like make sure that my TikTok is, like,
you know, up to par with the Well, here's the thing.
That's a good segue, because that's why you're so successful,
because I see that driving you to be the best
at whatever you're trying to do, right whatever medium you're conquering.
You're like, I want to, I want to I'm competitive,
I want to be the best. I want to be
better than the ones that I'm seeing. So that's why
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I think that this phrase everything happens for a reason
is kind of shitty because it discredits everything that you've
done to put yourself in the position where you're at.
I mean, you're the You're the best example I can
think of this because you literally taught yourself English. That
was the that's you know, like, that's so commendable. That's
the first thing you had to do to even take
a step forward and in your dreams of becoming, you know,
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an entertainer. And that's the hardest thing ever, and you
fucking did it. I I disagreement because you you made
an app and I feel like that's like, that's the
craziest that's just like you want to become a successful
like person, then you you make an app Like that's
that's a route that I've never seen anyone take, and
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I just really respect that. But I think the first
person ever say I did, I respect you for making
a mean app, Like you literally tire yourself an entire
fucking language from YouTube videos, and you're gonna look at
me and be like, but you wrote an app one time?
No I I well, thank you first of all. But yeah,
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I think for me, it was just like I think
like when I first started learning English, I was like
just watching a lot of YouTube videos and I wasn't
even trying to learn English. It just kind of came naturally.
Like one day I was just watching a lot of
um vlogs and stuff like that, and I was homeschool
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so I was like I'd spend a lot of my
time just by myself at home, um when my parents
would like be at work or whatever, and I would
just like talk to myself like I would just I
realized that, like the voice in my head is not
an Indonesian and it's in English. And I was like, oh,
this is interesting, like because I'm so used to like
watching people speak English, and I would like talk to
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myself like how people would talk to like their vlogs
at home by myself, and you know that would like
that's how I would practice my pronunciation. And I like,
you'd be at home alone, just going what's up you two?
No honestly that today we're gonna go to yoga and
then we're gonna drink umbucha. Today I'm gonna be pranking
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my girlfriend. I used to like be at home by
myself and I would I would be like cooking or something,
and I would be like, and then I'm gonna put
the salt on the omelet and just like like and
then sometimes I would like ask my self questions that
I would like look at something and I would be like, huh,
(17:03):
I don't know, what do you think? And I would
just be like talking to myself and I I just remember,
you know. It started off as just kind of like, Okay,
I'm just gonna talk to myself so I don't get lonely,
and it turned into me being like fourteen or fifteen
in Indonesia and just having at that point, I already
like started making friends on Twitter, like from the US,
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and I would like talk to them on Skype like
every single day, and I barely had friends in Indonesia
at the time, so I like had more friends online.
I think at that time that's when I was super
super driven to just like do something in l A.
And I remember thinking like ship, Like if I don't
go to the US to do whatever it is that
I want to do, then I'm not shipped. And I
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just remember like just the pressure that I felt that
I put on myself at the time, and I would
like literally be at home and I would like catch
myself like pasting around my kitchen for like five to
ten minutes, just like thinking about like just imagining, like
I'm wondering like when I get to America, Like I
wonder what it's going to be like just saying just saying,
(18:08):
what's up? YouTube? What's up? YouTube? What's yeah? No, But
that's that's amazing. I mean it. Yeah, it sounds like
you were really driven. But why did you like American
culture or did you like what you saw on YouTube?
Did you think, Okay, l A is the place where
everything happens and if I want to be someone, then
I got to get there or what? Yeah, Well, to
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be honest, I had a really huge crush on Coloy
Grace Moretts and I knew that she lived in l A,
so I was like, I really want to go to
l A. But really obvious seen her before, Yeah, of
course she's like everything. What show did you see her? Like?
How did you even find her? Well? I was like
I think I was like thirteen or fourteen and I
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watched kick Ass and I was like, oh, yeah, I
love my life. I don't know. I think like me
being homeschool like really made me feel like because when
I'm like when you're home schools, like you're not really
friends with people. Like I would see like other kids
in Indonesia that go to school and I would just
be like ship, Like I wish I was. I wish
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I was like part of their click, and I wish
I was, Like you know, like there was a point
where I didn't have a phone yet and I would
like look at another kid that has a phone, and
I feel like so shitty by myself. And I think
I just really felt like somehow I I belonged in
like the the American social circle. I guess like in
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the like I've always been really interested in just like
the people and like the culture. Like I've always like
just watching movies like Tony One Jumped Street or like
I used to great great movie, Great movie. I was
obsessed with watching like American like party movies. I don't
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know what it was. I just I just felt like
the sense of humor and everything. I just I felt
like I I that's why I would fit in. That's funny.
I I kind of found growing up in Canada. You know,
obviously it's not Indonesia, but I would watch American party
movies and I'd be like, that seems awesome, but it's
a totally fictional world that doesn't actually exist. And because
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nothing was like that in Canada at all, and then
going to an American college and joining a frat, I
was like, holy fuck, it's spot that wasn't a frat.
Oh yeah, oh my god. I did not know that.
I was like a frat boy for four years and
then I never really grew out of it. It's still
kind of am but they nail it, they really do.
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And I come home and all my friends would be like,
what's up, frat boy? How was I was college? And
I'm like, it's fucking sick. We're in a pastel shirt.
No but here this is what I mean, Like you,
you really wanted to do something, and so you took
initiative and you taught yourself. You know, you paced back
and forth saying, what's up YouTube? What's if you just
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teaching yourself English so that you can open up doors
for yourself, so that that could potentially be possible. Yeah,
I feel like a better phrase for this as you
make your own luck, because that's kind of what you
You just work until something, You throw it at the wall,
until something hits, you know, something stuffs. It's a really
weird thing because that's something that I still kind of
you know, right now, I'm at a point where I'm
(21:20):
doing everything, Like I feel like I have everything that
I've always wanted. So that was a kid since I
was at that age, still being an Indonesia like pasting
amount in my kitchen, thinking about what I'm gonna do
when I one day hopefully get to the US to
do whatever it is I wanted to do. At the time,
I didn't even think about being a musician. I just
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wanted to be like a cinematographer and I was I
don't know, like now thinking about it, it's like there's
more pressure I feel like there's more pressure to kind
of make things, and you know, sometimes I'm like working
really really hard and and making ship all the time
until I get stressed out or just like going with
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the flow. But also like I don't know, like sometimes
sometimes I'm I'm kind of like I'm still trying to
find that balance I think of enjoying my life and
also like being hard working. Same. Yeah, oh my god,
that's like my biggest that's my number one issue. I'm
glad you said that that really resonates with me because
it's seriously my my biggest thing. I have no idea.
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I still can't find a balance. I can't do it
because like when I'm working, I'm on and I'm want
to work and I'm working way too hard and then
I burned myself out and then I never want to
work again, and then I just I just go through
this these awful like peaks and crashes and peaks and crashes,
and it's just like that make you thinks sometimes like
why am I doing this? Yeah? Yeah, sometimes I'm like,
why don't I just go back to a nine to
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five where my day was structured and my entire life
with like was you know, you're working and then you're not.
The fucking division there was good for my brain almost
because with five o'clock you're done, you don't worry about work.
You go and you have a beer, you go work out, whatever.
But now it's like anytime I'm not working, I'm getting
I'm falling behind. Yeah, And it's weird because that's like
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there there's some periods of my life, like recently, I
kind of found this this perfect harmony between my work
and my personal life and I felt just super at
peace with everything. Right now I'm like I'm kind of
back just thinking about like, oh, I wonder if I'm
like doing what I'm supposed to do right now or yea,
(23:29):
if I'm not working enough. Weird you kind of go
from It's like for me, I go from this like
mental state of being like, oh, if it's gonna happen,
it's gonna happen. You know, I'm gonna I gotta trust
myself that I'll do the work and whatever. But then
I'm like, but I'm relaxing. I'm not doing work right now,
so I'm not doing it right now? How can I
trust myself? And I feel like it just goes back
(23:50):
to you have to do shipped to open up doors
for yourself, because if you don't, nothing's gonna happen. Yeah,
it's it's interesting. Um do you believe in law of attraction? Um?
What is that again? Remind me? It's Um, well, it's
a thing that like, you know how like on TikTok,
I feel like recently there's been a lot of like
people talking about manifesting. Yeah. Yeah, so that's basically what
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it is. Like when you say something like when you
speak it into the universe, it will come to you
like that. Here's why I believe in that. I think
it totally goes along with the exactly what we've been
saying the entire time. It's once you think it, and
you you think it a lot, you start to believe it,
and then subconsciously you just you do the things that
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would that it takes to to make that happen. Like
that's when you really started believing, when you started thinking,
it's not like you're just saying it in some fucking
magic ferry is going to make it happen because they
heard you say it. You say it, and so you're
convincing yourself that it's true when you said, I want
to go to l A. I want to go to
l A. I belong there. I belong there. Belonging you
really start to believe it, and so then there's no
other there's nothing else for you to do but work
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as hard as you can on that thing. And like
that's what this sort of takes to make that stuff happen.
So I feel like this is here. Listen, we've been
there's a lot of We're doing a lot of deep
talking right here. I'm loving it. But we're gonna take
a quick break, and then when we come back, Brian
and I are going to turn this advice. Everything happens
for a reason on its head. Guys, masturbation, let's just
(25:23):
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(25:44):
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ship can this piece of advice entirely. The greatest kindness
we can show this one is to fly to a
random Scandinavian country where euthanasia is legal and put it
out of its misery once and for all. I mean, sure,
of course everything happens for a reason. That's like saying
water is wet, but it also implies we're just helpless
puppets with no free will or control over our lives
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catered to their specific problem instead of going into sympathy autopilot.
Do you think you agree? I? I definitely agree. I'm
I'm sometimes like when people go through stuff, I try
my best to just like give them like a solid
piece of advice, but sometimes my mind just goes blank
and I'm just like I'm so sorry, and I just
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like give him like a path. That's when you fall
back on, well, I mean, everything happens for a reason.
If it's right, it's right, it is what it is.
That's like just nothing phrases that they don't mean anything. Yeah,
So actually you were saying that you you, you know,
you dish out advice to people. What's the worst advice
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you've ever received? My parents were like at first, you know,
because the first time I asked him that I wanted
to go to l A, like I was thirteen, and
they were like, oh, no, you're way too young, and
you know, we can't like have you just like way
across the world and we can't like take care of you.
I remember just feeling like I that was the time
to give up, like all my dreams and just be
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like Okay, I think now they clearly are not supportive
of this, of the decision, like I am just gonna
deal with it, and just like I live my life
in Indonesia and just no, but I mean it's like
it's years old. Well it's not gonna happen. I was.
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I was a realist. But my parents like they were
worried about me being in l A because I feel
like the cliche thing would be like, oh, music is
a tough industry to get into. You should just you know,
be like you just make like only fans or something.
Imagine to your parents, Um, they you know, it was
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coming from like a genuine place of concern. And after that,
because I remember like when I actually when I got signed,
I was still in Indonesia. I didn't even tell him
that I was signing to a label, but I just
like I got the documents like on the email, and
I just like signed it on like write signature or something.
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And then I told my mom was like I might
be going to America for the show, um, and she
was like, oh, you should go, and she was just
like she was the one that was super againsted in
the beginning, my dad was just kind of like chilling.
I think he just wanted to agree with my mom
at the time, but on the side he's kind of like,
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I don't really care. But I when I told my
mom that, she was like actually really supportive. So so
were they ever like because you had, you know, you
were building followers on Twitter by this point, and then
you were, you know, you're doing music. Did they have
any idea like how popular you were or was the
fact that you could even do a show in America
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like what to them? Yeah? Absolutely, I think because when
I was like just starting off like doing Twitter and
like social media and stuff like that, they weren't really
like I wouldn't really talk to them about it. I
was just kind of like, you know, just do it
in silence. And every time me and the family would
go out and stuff like that, all they know about
me is I'm just like just just the the kid
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that doesn't really talk much and you know, but I'm
always on my phone and I'm just like looking at
you know, like just thinking about like, oh, what do
I tweet today? And I think they do follow me
on social media, so they kind of they know to
a certain degree, but The craziest moment was definitely when
I started to like get articles like written about me
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in the beginning. That's when my mom was just really like,
oh wow, like this is a lot bigger than I
thought it was. And it's definitely it's crazy to them.
It's it's it's definitely crazy to them because I'm just
so normal around them that it's like they don't really
expect anything. Yeah, I mean, what do you? What do
they what do you? What are you gonna do? Be
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a rapper around them? You know, right, just like sucking
walking around their house wearing a gold chain, the gold grill,
just flexing on everybody. Got a rill at the dinner table? Honey,
please remove your grill? Made this nice meal? Can you
remove your girl? At least? How would you feel about
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doing a lightning round. I'm gonna name two people of note,
and you have to tell me who you'd rather take
advice from. Two people? Okay, all right, yeah, alright, I'm down. Okay,
Baron Trump or King Joffrey. I don't I don't know
who King Joffrey is. Wait, who's King Joffrey? Honestly, I
would pick King Joffrey too. Of thrones, oh, I don't.
(32:36):
I don't even watch k Thrones. What really, No, I
mean I was just late on it. Like the first
thing that I heard about Game of Thrones was like
that the ending was shitty. Yeah, I didn't watch it
to the end, but I heard that too, Okay, Lena
Dunham or Sirie Siri, why I trust serial Like I
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talked to her more than I talked to Lena Dunham Soon,
Jojo Sia, Mark Cuban, Jojo Siwa. I feel like Jojo
Siwa has just kind of like gone through so much
internet bullying that she has. She she's she just has
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like really thick skin, and I want to I want
to learn from her. I want to see what advice
she asked for me. That is true, She's probably got
some pretty great anti bullying advice. Yeah, you know, we
had her. We had her tour bus the last tour
that we did. We like opened up a drawer or whatever,
and there was like her like touring package was in
there like before manager and then we found her jacket
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and our tour manager wore her jacket for like the
rest of the time. That is the funniest thing I've
ever heard. And she was touring with like I think
there was like two other busses. She's doing like a
stadium tour for you. I know I want to open
for her. I know me too, Me too, Okay, Biggie
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or Tupac, I've heard a lot of Tupac songs that
just made me learn a lot about the world, I
feel like, and I'm sure Biggie has a lot of
those songs too. And I'm gonna sound really ignorant, but
when I think about Biggie, I just keep thinking about
that one track off of his album where it's just
like I think it's like him having sex with a
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girl and like he's just like just moaning sounds, and
I'm just like, ever since, ever since I heard that,
I was just like, I cannot I can't play this
in the house. So, Tupac, what were you listening? What
were you listening to like when you were growing up?
I was listening to like just just straight hip hop
because that was like my first time like just discovering
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what hip hop is. Like. The first song that I
ever tried rapping two was Thrift shot by Mackaelmore. Yeah yeah,
and then I was like, oh, this is interesting, Like
everyone's talking about this music video. I want to like,
I want to be part of this conversation. And then
I learned about like Drake and like start up on
the Bottom and like to Chain's Birthday song and yeah, yeah,
(35:14):
so I kind of like dug deep into like that
Vivo like explicit music video World. So I was like,
this is really cool. Yeah. So I would also like
just listen to full albums on YouTube and just like
leave it on while I just like go to my
other tabs just tweeting and listening to music. All right,
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David Dobrick or Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle, I'm sure David
Dobrick has you know, a lot of good advices. You know.
It was it was if I have Dave Chappelle and
the option I I would not like even look at
David Dobrick. I think I think you have to take
I think you have to choose Dave Chappelle. There, yeah, yeah,
(35:58):
who would not take advice from? Um, David Dobrick, Stewie
from Family Guy, or Rick from Rick and Morty. Oh
my god, Rick from Rick and Morty for sure. Why
I've never seen that show? You've never seen that show?
You know? I feel like you would love that show.
(36:18):
Um Rick from Rick and Morty's character to best describe
him is he's like an alcoholic uncle who's just like
an asshole. But at the same then I would then
I would love, Then I would love. But but he's
really really smart and he's really good at dealing with
problems under pressure. I saw like I have a crush
on Rick, and but I don't know, like Stewie's Stewie's like,
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I just don't trust Stewie as much as I trust Rick.
That's fair Any U S Senator or any cast member
from Love Island, Oh my god, this is a tough one.
Um uh Love Island, Yeah, dude, is because their advice
would just be like their advice with their advice would
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be everything happens for a reason. That's what they're like,
which is which is comforting, you know what you want
to hear that ship that makes you feel good where
you're at. That's probably the worst part about this advice
is it's just like pandering. It's like everything happens for
a reason and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah.
Like I said in the beginning, oh I can't hit
people with my car it's fine because then I'll just
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I'll meet a new friend in jail. You know, it's
gonna work out. It just makes you comfortable, and comfort
is bad. You know what kind of advice would a
US senator give you? You think, like something about just
like power, you know, yeah, like you have to climb
your way to the top. Oh my god, people are
gonna try to stop you, but you gotta get there.
You know. I feel like anyone in politics would just
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it's just that, you know, they're too concerned with power
to really give any real real advice. Yeah that's true.
Maybe not, I don't know, maybe that's controversial. All right,
we've talked. We've talked about the worst advice you've received.
But before you take off, what is the worst advice
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you've ever given? Sometimes like people people would like show
me their music and ask me, like what kind of
advice I would give them, or like I don't know,
just like ask for some like notes or whatever. You know.
The thing is, sometimes sometimes I do care, Like sometimes
(38:26):
I really listen, and I'm just like if I have
the energy to just like be like really give them
like full on, like super detailed criticisms that I will.
But sometimes I'm just kind of like, this is this
is happening at a weird time, and I can't really
think right now. So sometimes I like sometimes just like, oh,
this is this is fire. Like it's kind of tough
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because like with music, it's all just about you just
gotta keep doing it, and it just kind of that
is good. That is good advice. You do just have
to keep doing stuff, Like in order to get good
at something, you have to just keep doing it, like, yeah,
as much as you can. Yeah. So I guess the
bad advice is just I don't know, man, I'm stuck
on this one. Yeah, it sounds like you're just sounds
(39:16):
like you only give good advice. Maybe maybe you're just
that good. Maybe I'm just this This is the episode
where we find out that Rich Briant is actually just justcas.
You're perfect, yeah, perfect, All right, well listen, that's gonna
(39:39):
do it For this episode. I want to thank Rich
Brian so much for joining us. Some things in life
are happenstancing completely out of our control, but it's important
to remember that we're also sitting in the driver's seat
and have free will. Even if you're in a Toyota
Yaris you can forge your own destiny to some extent,
And remember using the phrase everything happens for a reason
is not how you console someone who's going through a
(39:59):
breakup or is Grahama stroked out during bingo night at
the retirement center. Send them a cake or something, you know,
Is there anything else you'd like to add, anything you
want to plug, or you know, anything you want to say? Um, definitely.
I make music. If you don't know who I am,
and I release an EP, call you know, I usually
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wrap a lot, but this EP has a lot of singing.
And I haven't been posting about it that much because
I've been so busy and I've just been really isolated
and just feeling really antisocial. But I think the most
important thing is if you're feeling like you don't have
enough work life balance, it's okay because me and Cody
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go through the same thing that's sucking constantly on my mind. Dude, Yeah,
it feels good hearing someone else say that, because I
feel like I'm the only one that's Everyone else seems
like they got their ship together and they're totally I know,
fine with what's going on, and I'm just like cons
only worried about losing what I've built, you know, Oh
(41:03):
my god, dude, I think I think that's the thing.
I think it's because no one talks about it because
they don't want to seem like they're going through it,
because they feel like they're the only ones going through it.
Maybe I think everyone, Yeah, everyone probably does, especially Drake.
Everyone has to happen. It's almost like imposter syndrome a
little bit too. It's like I shouldn't be Yeah, I
I have that. Let's talk about the new EP for
(41:26):
a little bit, okay, because I noticed it is. Yeah,
it's like more singing, more pop. Is that like a
choice you intentionally made? Like or were you just in
the studio and that's just what kind of spoke to you?
This EP just happened just really spontaneously. Actually, it was
kind of just like a bunch of songs that I
was making at the time that I just I wanted
to you know, when I was making it, I wanted
to just like not overthink for ones and not think
(41:49):
too hard about like, Okay, when I put this out,
like what are people going to think about this? Like
are they going to think it's too singing or if
it's like to not me sounding, and that's that's the
kind of stuf that I always kind of get in
my head about. But with this one, I I just
wanted to make something that I like. If I listened
to it, then I would like it, And at the
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time I just felt like singing. I wanted to explore
that side of me. I did a lot of the
production on this EP myself, which was fun. Just feeling
like I have that control over it was just like
it was really cool. And some people are like, oh no,
like which Brian is not rapping anymore, like what's happening? Um,
But at the same time, it's it's not really a
(42:32):
transitional thing that I'm doing. I'm not like slowly doing
singing stuff. So I can just leave rap forever or
something you're not you're not pulling in m g K.
Is that what he's doing? Machine Gun Kelly? Did you
see he can completely switched genres? You know he's now
doing pop punk music like blank when a two type
ship with Travis Barker and now is the album debut
(42:55):
at number one like it worked, oh, which is which
is pretty wild. But he that's like the modern example.
I feel like if someone that's just switched. Yeah, which
there's no problem with any of that. I think that's
just part of being an artist is like you're probably like, well,
this is this is what's inspiring me, so now I'm
gonna do it and yeah, like yeah, but when are
you going to rap again? It's like doesn't matter. It's
(43:16):
like whatever I want to do, you know. Yeah. It
also it also just like people forget that um sometimes
like it depends also on the project, like if this
project has this kind of theme, then it requires this
much singing, and like you know, it always depends on
you know, it's kind of like a case by case situation.
(43:36):
But I still love rapping, like at the end of
the day, like I really love just ly. Yeah. Yeah,
I think I think that's what I've been just like
super into like when I listen to music, I I
I love listening to what they're saying. Yeah, because I
feel like in my previous music, like um, in my
(43:56):
older works, like that's something that I wasn't paying super
deep attention too. I was kind of just like focus
on how it sounds and like the flows and stuff
like that. So with this one, it's, uh, I just
wanted to sing my heart out I guess express my
inner Seawan Mendez. Alright, yeah, well here I'll leave you
(44:18):
to it. Go make some Cobbo beats, Go make some
reggaeton maybe. And it was, honestly was great seeing you
dude and catching up. And I appreciate you being on
the show. Thank you so much. Thank you later. Later
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I'm Cody co and welcome to the Pleasure Is Ours,
the podcast in which we examine some of the worst
advice people hear their whole lives and try to make
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it better. Okay, they say everything happens for a reason,
and I think I get why this phrase is so pervasive.
I mean, it completely absolves you of personal responsibility. Entirely.
Try it. I clipped a pedestrian with my Toyota Yaris.
Everything happens for a reason. I fucked my best friend's girlfriend,
But everything happens for a reason. Oh, it turns out
on patient zero in the biggest HPV outbreak in the
(01:47):
greater Los Angeles area. But everything happens for a reason. Right,
these are hypotheticals. Of course, I would never drive a
fucking ars. Let's dissect this one with a famous person.
I'm joined today by an insanely talented rapper, songwriter, singer,
and producer. You know him from his Gold Records Dat's
Stick and Gospel, as well as his album's Amen the
Sailor and the newly released DP ghost Face Killer from
(02:11):
the wou Tang Clan literally heard our guest music for
the first time and decided he wanted to collaborate with
him on the spot. He's also one of the funniest
people on Twitter in my opinion. I'm talking, of course,
about my friend rich Brian. Dude, how's it going? Amazing?
How you doing? Oh good man? Where are you right now?
(02:33):
I'm currently in a hotel room in Cabo Cabo. Yeah?
Have you been here? Yeah? I love Cabo. How um,
how many like when you were here? How many days
we're you here for? I don't know I've been there.
I mean I usually i'll go for a week a week. Okay.
Does I feel like you're about a flex on me
(02:54):
or something? Yeah, it's not really like I don't think
it's really a flex. I'm I'm here for like two
weeks um with my girlfriend and we've been having trouble,
like I don't know, just like looking for things to do,
Like I'm supposed to do anything. That's the that's the post.
(03:16):
I'm not supposed to do anything. That's the point. Nothing.
You're supposed to lay by the pool and drink Margarita's
and coronas. That's what the That's what I've been seeing
around me, And I'm just like, how do people like
feel content with this? I'm actually the same way when
I'm on vacation. I like, I mean maybe more when
I was younger, but like reading by the pool was
(03:37):
like the last thing. I was like boring, So like,
what we're gonna go on vacation and not do shit?
It's yeah, but that's what That's what relaxation is. I
don't want to complain. I'm not complaining. It sounds like
you're complaining. Last where are you right now? I'm in
l A. Oh man, I'm in my place. I haven't
(03:57):
been in l A for I've been away from l
A for about uh like three months? Three months? Where
you where you went home? Right? Um? No? I actually,
um I went to China, China? What what you more?
I was in China by myself with three months. I
was I mean, I wasn't by myself, but I was
like I was doing this thing, this this work thing,
(04:18):
which I don't know like how much I'm supposed to
like talk about it. But I basically had to go
there for three months by myself. Usually, like when I
traveled to other places, I go on my team, but
I was just by myself and it was a really
great opportunity, but at the same time, it made me
feel like really really isolated. The funniest thing is like,
I you know, everyone thinks that I can speak Chinese,
(04:40):
but I can't at all because I just I look Chinese.
You know. Every single time there was like a conversation
happening around me, I'm just like not included. So I
just feel like I just feel like I'm like the
little brother that no one like talks to. It's basically
been like three months of that, so I just you know,
at this point, I'm in Cabo because you can't fly
(05:01):
directly from China to the US, okay, because they're gonna
be like, have you been to China for the last
fourteen days and I'm here, so I could just be like, no,
I haven't. I've been chilling in Cabo, so okay, Yeah,
that's even more of a flex. You're just in Cabo
to quarantine. Like, I'm not even here for vacation. I'm
just here killing time before I can go home. Yeah,
(05:24):
so you were in China for three months straight? Yeah,
dude for a work thing. It's for a work thing.
And I was mostly just by myself in my hotel
room every single day. So it was kind of depressing, man,
But sad What were you doing just jerking off a lot?
I was drinking off a lot, and I was I
was face timing with my girlfriend and we were just
(05:44):
doing long distance. That definitely it took a toll with
my mental health and I cannot wait to go back
to l A. We should hang when you're back, dude,
I know, but um listen. I feel like your story
is the ultimate example of the phrase every happens for
a reason. I mean literally, a year before you were born,
a dictator who had pretty much banned the Internet in
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Indonesia was overthrown. Then you taught yourself English and got
really fucking famous using the Internet. But at the same time,
that phrase, you know, sort of discredits all the hard
work you've done to carve out your own destiny. Does
everything happen for a reason? In your opinion, I feel
like we're, you know, we're kind of pinning fate against
hard work here, but maybe some combination of the two.
(06:27):
I feel like, sometimes you make your own luck. What
do you think? Wow? Okay, um? Does everything happen for
a reason. This is something that I've been thinking about
a lot, because I've been like, I've been learning a
lot about like the universe and how everything's connected and
ship like that. And it's weird because you know, I've
experienced things where I feel like I would subconsciously do
(06:49):
something that you know, at the time, I may have
thought it was like a bad decision or like I
was under a lot of stress, and then like a
few days later or a month later, look back at
it and I was like, oh, I'm so glad that
that happened, or I'm so glad I did that. So
it's weird. It's kind of like, I feel like everything
does happen for a reason, because like we're the you know,
(07:12):
we as people like we do things and we think
that we're doing things. But I feel like, at the
end of the day, kind of shit just kind of
unfolds as it's supposed to. That's what I think. Yeah, Yeah,
I feel like that's a that's a better way of
putting it. It's not. It's not. I feel like it's not.
It's happening because there's some you know, your your fate
is written and predecided for you, and so everything is
(07:35):
happenings as a part of some plan, when really it's
like everything happens and you work it out, you know,
like it works out, and so that's why you look
back and you say, you say, wait, I'm really happy
that happened. That must have happened because of this, and
it's like, no, everything happened in succession, and there's a
silver lining to a lot of things, except you know,
the ship, the really shitty things in life, you know
(07:56):
what I'm saying right like, yeah, like you know, diseases
and stuff like you know, I don't have to we
don't have to get into that. Yeah it's okay, or
we know we let's talk about it. Let's talk about it, okay, cancer,
let's talk about it. What about like you know, you're
you're in a relationship right now? Yeah, you said you're
with your girlfriend, Yes I am, and you're deeply in
(08:20):
love or what No, not at all? No, hopefully one day,
but for now we're just kind of taking it day
by Day's cool, but there's a lot of things about
it that pissed me off. No, I'm yes, I have
a girlfriend and she's actually in the room right now
(08:41):
and she's listening, but she's out of frame and she's
just hearing me. Okay, good, thank god. But I think
she's cool too. Just said you're cool. She said thanks.
But do you think, like, do you do you look
back and you're like with at least like your ex
(09:02):
is Do you think, Oh, I'm like, I'm glad that
it didn't work out with them because now I found
this new person, or maybe I learned something from them.
Like I'm trying to say, like, do you think everything
happens for a reason when it comes to relationships? Yeah,
I mean, I I haven't haven't been in too many relationships,
but I think the relationships that I was in, like previously,
(09:23):
definitely made me learn a lot of things about like
how you know, just just how shitty things can be, like,
because when you get into relationships, like for the first time,
you're kind of like you're kind of learning as you go,
And I in my past relationships, I definitely learned how
in a relationship. It's not it's not always, it's not
(09:45):
always sweet, it's not always. It's almost like you learn,
you learn what you don't want exactly pretty much, and
then you find someone new and they're like, You're like, wait,
you're not all these things I didn't like about the
last person. I thought everyone was like that. I know
what I'm saying. I know, and I feel I still
have like some emotional baggage for my last relationships. Sometimes
I I feel like I overcompensate or try to anticipate
(10:08):
little things that I just remember how my X was
and adjust myself so I don't experience that reaction again.
Also like realizing that like, oh, you're actually a completely
different person. You're not like I don't have to do this,
I don't have to like yeah, yeah, yeah, which is
a very relieving feeling. It is definitely so yeah. I
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think everything that's happened for a reason in that case, Okay,
but what about with stuff like Two Girls, One Cup?
Why does that video exist? If everything happens for a reason,
why did that video exist? Yo? The first time I remember,
the first time I've seen Two Girls, One Cup, it
was when I was about nine years old. And I
(10:50):
was in Indonesia. I was in Indonesia and my computer
was in the living room and this was like probably
like the second year that my family decided to like
install internet in my house. And I was on Facebook
and then someone had a link and I just clicked
on it, and then my mom was like right behind me.
She was like sweeping the floor of the house. And
(11:11):
then as soon as the video started playing, like I
just saw like a girl just taking a ship into
a cup. But my mom wasn't looking at me. She
was just like she was, you know, she luckily, Like
I just saw her reflection on the monitor. And the
first thing I did was like I just unplugged the
cable from the CPU because it was like the big
gas computer and it was just it was just off.
(11:34):
And I was just like I didn't even know what
it was. I didn't even know that it was like this.
I didn't even know that girls ship. Yeah, I like
I remember after watching the video, I cried in my
room because I was just like I cant believe that
girl's spoop, like girls be shipping and farting as well, Like, um,
(12:01):
I can't believe you were nine years old when you
first saw that, I'm thinking about how funked up that is,
and then I'm like, dude, nine year old are seeing
worship on TikTok right now? The average you know what,
the average, the average like thirst trap, TikTok is probably
worse for your brain than two Girls one Cup is, yeah,
because the thing is what two girls one cup is like,
(12:22):
you know that it's not it's something that you're not
supposed to see, but yeah, it's there's traps. It's kind
of like it makes people think that this is like
the standard of how people are supposed to act TikTok, TikTok,
thirst trap at least, oh thirst traps. Yeah, yeah, not
two girls one cup that no one looks. No one's
looking at that and saying, oh wait, this is how
(12:43):
things should go. This is No one's learning anything from
that video. Oh no, I learned a lot of things.
The only thing your brain does when you when you
watch a video like that, it's like it's like turn
it off, turn it off, know what it is. But
when you're on TikTok, your brains, like you know, it's
(13:04):
just like give me mean and just yeah, it's like
Instagram on steroids, you know, are you on TikTok? I am,
like to be honest, I do. I I try to. Like,
I feel like TikTok has a lot of cool I
don't know, I feel like it's a really versatile app
where I can just like find a lot of different
kind of content, like an inspiration, like if I want to, Like,
(13:27):
I don't know, I sound like a boomer, but it's
definitely a great way to kind of like keep up
with what the kids are up to these days. Yeah,
that is that is definitely true. Yeah, I find myself
I feel more in tune when I'm cruising TikTok. How
often do you go on TikTok every day? Every day? Yeah,
when I'm shipping and stuff like that. That's the That's
(13:48):
the number one app that I open up now when
I'm shipping because it's the most entertaining. Yeah. I also,
like I started making TikTok's um just for fun, but
I feel like recently I've been I really want to
post another TikTok, but I just don't know what to like,
I don't know what to what to post because I
want to, like, I get this thing where I just
become like competitive and I compare myself to the other TikTokers,
(14:12):
and I want to like make sure that my TikTok is, like,
you know, up to par with the Well, here's the thing.
That's a good segue, because that's why you're so successful,
because I see that driving you to be the best
at whatever you're trying to do, right whatever medium you're conquering.
You're like, I want to, I want to I'm competitive,
I want to be the best. I want to be
better than the ones that I'm seeing. So that's why
(14:33):
I think that this phrase everything happens for a reason
is kind of shitty because it discredits everything that you've
done to put yourself in the position where you're at.
I mean, you're the You're the best example I can
think of this because you literally taught yourself English. That
was the that's you know, like, that's so commendable. That's
the first thing you had to do to even take
a step forward and in your dreams of becoming, you know,
(14:55):
an entertainer. And that's the hardest thing ever, and you
fucking did it. I I disagreement because you you made
an app and I feel like that's like, that's the
craziest that's just like you want to become a successful
like person, then you you make an app Like that's
that's a route that I've never seen anyone take, and
(15:16):
I just really respect that. But I think the first
person ever say I did, I respect you for making
a mean app, Like you literally tire yourself an entire
fucking language from YouTube videos, and you're gonna look at
me and be like, but you wrote an app one time?
No I I well, thank you first of all. But yeah,
(15:38):
I think for me, it was just like I think
like when I first started learning English, I was like
just watching a lot of YouTube videos and I wasn't
even trying to learn English. It just kind of came naturally.
Like one day I was just watching a lot of
um vlogs and stuff like that, and I was homeschool
(15:59):
so I was like I'd spend a lot of my
time just by myself at home, um when my parents
would like be at work or whatever, and I would
just like talk to myself like I would just I
realized that, like the voice in my head is not
an Indonesian and it's in English. And I was like, oh,
this is interesting, like because I'm so used to like
watching people speak English, and I would like talk to
(16:20):
myself like how people would talk to like their vlogs
at home by myself, and you know that would like
that's how I would practice my pronunciation. And I like,
you'd be at home alone, just going what's up you two?
No honestly that today we're gonna go to yoga and
then we're gonna drink umbucha. Today I'm gonna be pranking
(16:43):
my girlfriend. I used to like be at home by
myself and I would I would be like cooking or something,
and I would be like, and then I'm gonna put
the salt on the omelet and just like like and
then sometimes I would like ask my self questions that
I would like look at something and I would be like, huh,
(17:03):
I don't know, what do you think? And I would
just be like talking to myself and I I just remember,
you know. It started off as just kind of like, Okay,
I'm just gonna talk to myself so I don't get lonely,
and it turned into me being like fourteen or fifteen
in Indonesia and just having at that point, I already
like started making friends on Twitter, like from the US,
(17:26):
and I would like talk to them on Skype like
every single day, and I barely had friends in Indonesia
at the time, so I like had more friends online.
I think at that time that's when I was super
super driven to just like do something in l A.
And I remember thinking like ship, Like if I don't
go to the US to do whatever it is that
I want to do, then I'm not shipped. And I
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just remember like just the pressure that I felt that
I put on myself at the time, and I would
like literally be at home and I would like catch
myself like pasting around my kitchen for like five to
ten minutes, just like thinking about like just imagining, like
I'm wondering like when I get to America, Like I
wonder what it's going to be like just saying just saying,
(18:08):
what's up? YouTube? What's up? YouTube? What's yeah? No, But
that's that's amazing. I mean it. Yeah, it sounds like
you were really driven. But why did you like American
culture or did you like what you saw on YouTube?
Did you think, Okay, l A is the place where
everything happens and if I want to be someone, then
I got to get there or what? Yeah, Well, to
(18:29):
be honest, I had a really huge crush on Coloy
Grace Moretts and I knew that she lived in l A,
so I was like, I really want to go to
l A. But really obvious seen her before, Yeah, of
course she's like everything. What show did you see her? Like?
How did you even find her? Well? I was like
I think I was like thirteen or fourteen and I
(18:50):
watched kick Ass and I was like, oh, yeah, I
love my life. I don't know. I think like me
being homeschool like really made me feel like because when
I'm like when you're home schools, like you're not really
friends with people. Like I would see like other kids
in Indonesia that go to school and I would just
be like ship, Like I wish I was. I wish
(19:10):
I was like part of their click, and I wish
I was, Like you know, like there was a point
where I didn't have a phone yet and I would
like look at another kid that has a phone, and
I feel like so shitty by myself. And I think
I just really felt like somehow I I belonged in
like the the American social circle. I guess like in
(19:32):
the like I've always been really interested in just like
the people and like the culture. Like I've always like
just watching movies like Tony One Jumped Street or like
I used to great great movie, Great movie. I was
obsessed with watching like American like party movies. I don't
(19:54):
know what it was. I just I just felt like
the sense of humor and everything. I just I felt
like I I that's why I would fit in. That's funny.
I I kind of found growing up in Canada. You know,
obviously it's not Indonesia, but I would watch American party
movies and I'd be like, that seems awesome, but it's
a totally fictional world that doesn't actually exist. And because
(20:14):
nothing was like that in Canada at all, and then
going to an American college and joining a frat, I
was like, holy fuck, it's spot that wasn't a frat.
Oh yeah, oh my god. I did not know that.
I was like a frat boy for four years and
then I never really grew out of it. It's still
kind of am but they nail it, they really do.
(20:36):
And I come home and all my friends would be like,
what's up, frat boy? How was I was college? And
I'm like, it's fucking sick. We're in a pastel shirt.
No but here this is what I mean, Like you,
you really wanted to do something, and so you took
initiative and you taught yourself. You know, you paced back
and forth saying, what's up YouTube? What's if you just
(20:57):
teaching yourself English so that you can open up doors
for yourself, so that that could potentially be possible. Yeah,
I feel like a better phrase for this as you
make your own luck, because that's kind of what you
You just work until something, You throw it at the wall,
until something hits, you know, something stuffs. It's a really
weird thing because that's something that I still kind of
you know, right now, I'm at a point where I'm
(21:20):
doing everything, Like I feel like I have everything that
I've always wanted. So that was a kid since I
was at that age, still being an Indonesia like pasting
amount in my kitchen, thinking about what I'm gonna do
when I one day hopefully get to the US to
do whatever it is I wanted to do. At the time,
I didn't even think about being a musician. I just
(21:40):
wanted to be like a cinematographer and I was I
don't know, like now thinking about it, it's like there's
more pressure I feel like there's more pressure to kind
of make things, and you know, sometimes I'm like working
really really hard and and making ship all the time
until I get stressed out or just like going with
(22:03):
the flow. But also like I don't know, like sometimes
sometimes I'm I'm kind of like I'm still trying to
find that balance I think of enjoying my life and
also like being hard working. Same. Yeah, oh my god,
that's like my biggest that's my number one issue. I'm
glad you said that that really resonates with me because
it's seriously my my biggest thing. I have no idea.
(22:26):
I still can't find a balance. I can't do it
because like when I'm working, I'm on and I'm want
to work and I'm working way too hard and then
I burned myself out and then I never want to
work again, and then I just I just go through
this these awful like peaks and crashes and peaks and crashes,
and it's just like that make you thinks sometimes like
why am I doing this? Yeah? Yeah, sometimes I'm like,
why don't I just go back to a nine to
(22:46):
five where my day was structured and my entire life
with like was you know, you're working and then you're not.
The fucking division there was good for my brain almost
because with five o'clock you're done, you don't worry about work.
You go and you have a beer, you go work out, whatever.
But now it's like anytime I'm not working, I'm getting
I'm falling behind. Yeah, And it's weird because that's like
(23:07):
there there's some periods of my life, like recently, I
kind of found this this perfect harmony between my work
and my personal life and I felt just super at
peace with everything. Right now I'm like I'm kind of
back just thinking about like, oh, I wonder if I'm
like doing what I'm supposed to do right now or yea,
(23:29):
if I'm not working enough. Weird you kind of go
from It's like for me, I go from this like
mental state of being like, oh, if it's gonna happen,
it's gonna happen. You know, I'm gonna I gotta trust
myself that I'll do the work and whatever. But then
I'm like, but I'm relaxing. I'm not doing work right now,
so I'm not doing it right now? How can I
trust myself? And I feel like it just goes back
(23:50):
to you have to do shipped to open up doors
for yourself, because if you don't, nothing's gonna happen. Yeah,
it's it's interesting. Um do you believe in law of attraction? Um?
What is that again? Remind me? It's Um, well, it's
a thing that like, you know how like on TikTok,
I feel like recently there's been a lot of like
people talking about manifesting. Yeah. Yeah, so that's basically what
(24:13):
it is. Like when you say something like when you
speak it into the universe, it will come to you
like that. Here's why I believe in that. I think
it totally goes along with the exactly what we've been
saying the entire time. It's once you think it, and
you you think it a lot, you start to believe it,
and then subconsciously you just you do the things that
(24:34):
would that it takes to to make that happen. Like
that's when you really started believing, when you started thinking,
it's not like you're just saying it in some fucking
magic ferry is going to make it happen because they
heard you say it. You say it, and so you're
convincing yourself that it's true when you said, I want
to go to l A. I want to go to
l A. I belong there. I belong there. Belonging you
really start to believe it, and so then there's no
other there's nothing else for you to do but work
(24:55):
as hard as you can on that thing. And like
that's what this sort of takes to make that stuff happen.
So I feel like this is here. Listen, we've been
there's a lot of We're doing a lot of deep
talking right here. I'm loving it. But we're gonna take
a quick break, and then when we come back, Brian
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(27:32):
ship can this piece of advice entirely. The greatest kindness
we can show this one is to fly to a
random Scandinavian country where euthanasia is legal and put it
out of its misery once and for all. I mean, sure,
of course everything happens for a reason. That's like saying
water is wet, but it also implies we're just helpless
puppets with no free will or control over our lives
at all. If someone you care about is going through
(27:54):
some stuff, why not try doling out some advice that's
catered to their specific problem instead of going into sympathy autopilot.
Do you think you agree? I? I definitely agree. I'm
I'm sometimes like when people go through stuff, I try
my best to just like give them like a solid
piece of advice, but sometimes my mind just goes blank
and I'm just like I'm so sorry, and I just
(28:15):
like give him like a path. That's when you fall
back on, well, I mean, everything happens for a reason.
If it's right, it's right, it is what it is.
That's like just nothing phrases that they don't mean anything. Yeah,
So actually you were saying that you you, you know,
you dish out advice to people. What's the worst advice
(28:35):
you've ever received? My parents were like at first, you know,
because the first time I asked him that I wanted
to go to l A, like I was thirteen, and
they were like, oh, no, you're way too young, and
you know, we can't like have you just like way
across the world and we can't like take care of you.
I remember just feeling like I that was the time
to give up, like all my dreams and just be
(28:57):
like Okay, I think now they clearly are not supportive
of this, of the decision, like I am just gonna
deal with it, and just like I live my life
in Indonesia and just no, but I mean it's like
it's years old. Well it's not gonna happen. I was.
(29:18):
I was a realist. But my parents like they were
worried about me being in l A because I feel
like the cliche thing would be like, oh, music is
a tough industry to get into. You should just you know,
be like you just make like only fans or something.
Imagine to your parents, Um, they you know, it was
(29:42):
coming from like a genuine place of concern. And after that,
because I remember like when I actually when I got signed,
I was still in Indonesia. I didn't even tell him
that I was signing to a label, but I just
like I got the documents like on the email, and
I just like signed it on like write signature or something.
(30:03):
And then I told my mom was like I might
be going to America for the show, um, and she
was like, oh, you should go, and she was just
like she was the one that was super againsted in
the beginning, my dad was just kind of like chilling.
I think he just wanted to agree with my mom
at the time, but on the side he's kind of like,
(30:25):
I don't really care. But I when I told my
mom that, she was like actually really supportive. So so
were they ever like because you had, you know, you
were building followers on Twitter by this point, and then
you were, you know, you're doing music. Did they have
any idea like how popular you were or was the
fact that you could even do a show in America
(30:45):
like what to them? Yeah? Absolutely, I think because when
I was like just starting off like doing Twitter and
like social media and stuff like that, they weren't really
like I wouldn't really talk to them about it. I
was just kind of like, you know, just do it
in silence. And every time me and the family would
go out and stuff like that, all they know about
me is I'm just like just just the the kid
(31:07):
that doesn't really talk much and you know, but I'm
always on my phone and I'm just like looking at
you know, like just thinking about like, oh, what do
I tweet today? And I think they do follow me
on social media, so they kind of they know to
a certain degree, but The craziest moment was definitely when
I started to like get articles like written about me
(31:27):
in the beginning. That's when my mom was just really like,
oh wow, like this is a lot bigger than I
thought it was. And it's definitely it's crazy to them.
It's it's it's definitely crazy to them because I'm just
so normal around them that it's like they don't really
expect anything. Yeah, I mean, what do you? What do
they what do you? What are you gonna do? Be
(31:49):
a rapper around them? You know, right, just like sucking
walking around their house wearing a gold chain, the gold grill,
just flexing on everybody. Got a rill at the dinner table? Honey,
please remove your grill? Made this nice meal? Can you
remove your girl? At least? How would you feel about
(32:14):
doing a lightning round. I'm gonna name two people of note,
and you have to tell me who you'd rather take
advice from. Two people? Okay, all right, yeah, alright, I'm down. Okay,
Baron Trump or King Joffrey. I don't I don't know
who King Joffrey is. Wait, who's King Joffrey? Honestly, I
would pick King Joffrey too. Of thrones, oh, I don't.
(32:36):
I don't even watch k Thrones. What really, No, I
mean I was just late on it. Like the first
thing that I heard about Game of Thrones was like
that the ending was shitty. Yeah, I didn't watch it
to the end, but I heard that too, Okay, Lena
Dunham or Sirie Siri, why I trust serial Like I
(32:59):
talked to her more than I talked to Lena Dunham Soon,
Jojo Sia, Mark Cuban, Jojo Siwa. I feel like Jojo
Siwa has just kind of like gone through so much
internet bullying that she has. She she's she just has
(33:23):
like really thick skin, and I want to I want
to learn from her. I want to see what advice
she asked for me. That is true, She's probably got
some pretty great anti bullying advice. Yeah, you know, we
had her. We had her tour bus the last tour
that we did. We like opened up a drawer or whatever,
and there was like her like touring package was in
there like before manager and then we found her jacket
(33:47):
and our tour manager wore her jacket for like the
rest of the time. That is the funniest thing I've
ever heard. And she was touring with like I think
there was like two other busses. She's doing like a
stadium tour for you. I know I want to open
for her. I know me too, Me too, Okay, Biggie
(34:09):
or Tupac, I've heard a lot of Tupac songs that
just made me learn a lot about the world, I
feel like, and I'm sure Biggie has a lot of
those songs too. And I'm gonna sound really ignorant, but
when I think about Biggie, I just keep thinking about
that one track off of his album where it's just
like I think it's like him having sex with a
(34:30):
girl and like he's just like just moaning sounds, and
I'm just like, ever since, ever since I heard that,
I was just like, I cannot I can't play this
in the house. So, Tupac, what were you listening? What
were you listening to like when you were growing up?
I was listening to like just just straight hip hop
because that was like my first time like just discovering
(34:52):
what hip hop is. Like. The first song that I
ever tried rapping two was Thrift shot by Mackaelmore. Yeah yeah,
and then I was like, oh, this is interesting, Like
everyone's talking about this music video. I want to like,
I want to be part of this conversation. And then
I learned about like Drake and like start up on
the Bottom and like to Chain's Birthday song and yeah, yeah,
(35:14):
so I kind of like dug deep into like that
Vivo like explicit music video World. So I was like,
this is really cool. Yeah. So I would also like
just listen to full albums on YouTube and just like
leave it on while I just like go to my
other tabs just tweeting and listening to music. All right,
(35:37):
David Dobrick or Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle, I'm sure David
Dobrick has you know, a lot of good advices. You know.
It was it was if I have Dave Chappelle and
the option I I would not like even look at
David Dobrick. I think I think you have to take
I think you have to choose Dave Chappelle. There, yeah, yeah,
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who would not take advice from? Um, David Dobrick, Stewie
from Family Guy, or Rick from Rick and Morty. Oh
my god, Rick from Rick and Morty for sure. Why
I've never seen that show? You've never seen that show?
You know? I feel like you would love that show.
(36:18):
Um Rick from Rick and Morty's character to best describe
him is he's like an alcoholic uncle who's just like
an asshole. But at the same then I would then
I would love, Then I would love. But but he's
really really smart and he's really good at dealing with
problems under pressure. I saw like I have a crush
on Rick, and but I don't know, like Stewie's Stewie's like,
(36:45):
I just don't trust Stewie as much as I trust Rick.
That's fair Any U S Senator or any cast member
from Love Island, Oh my god, this is a tough one.
Um uh Love Island, Yeah, dude, is because their advice
would just be like their advice with their advice would
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be everything happens for a reason. That's what they're like,
which is which is comforting, you know what you want
to hear that ship that makes you feel good where
you're at. That's probably the worst part about this advice
is it's just like pandering. It's like everything happens for
a reason and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah.
Like I said in the beginning, oh I can't hit
people with my car it's fine because then I'll just
(37:26):
I'll meet a new friend in jail. You know, it's
gonna work out. It just makes you comfortable, and comfort
is bad. You know what kind of advice would a
US senator give you? You think, like something about just
like power, you know, yeah, like you have to climb
your way to the top. Oh my god, people are
gonna try to stop you, but you gotta get there.
You know. I feel like anyone in politics would just
(37:46):
it's just that, you know, they're too concerned with power
to really give any real real advice. Yeah that's true.
Maybe not, I don't know, maybe that's controversial. All right,
we've talked. We've talked about the worst advice you've received.
But before you take off, what is the worst advice
(38:06):
you've ever given? Sometimes like people people would like show
me their music and ask me, like what kind of
advice I would give them, or like I don't know,
just like ask for some like notes or whatever. You know.
The thing is, sometimes sometimes I do care, Like sometimes
(38:26):
I really listen, and I'm just like if I have
the energy to just like be like really give them
like full on, like super detailed criticisms that I will.
But sometimes I'm just kind of like, this is this
is happening at a weird time, and I can't really
think right now. So sometimes I like sometimes just like, oh,
this is this is fire. Like it's kind of tough
(38:51):
because like with music, it's all just about you just
gotta keep doing it, and it just kind of that
is good. That is good advice. You do just have
to keep doing stuff, Like in order to get good
at something, you have to just keep doing it, like, yeah,
as much as you can. Yeah. So I guess the
bad advice is just I don't know, man, I'm stuck
on this one. Yeah, it sounds like you're just sounds
(39:16):
like you only give good advice. Maybe maybe you're just
that good. Maybe I'm just this This is the episode
where we find out that Rich Briant is actually just justcas.
You're perfect, yeah, perfect, All right, well listen, that's gonna
(39:39):
do it For this episode. I want to thank Rich
Brian so much for joining us. Some things in life
are happenstancing completely out of our control, but it's important
to remember that we're also sitting in the driver's seat
and have free will. Even if you're in a Toyota
Yaris you can forge your own destiny to some extent,
And remember using the phrase everything happens for a reason
is not how you console someone who's going through a
(39:59):
breakup or is Grahama stroked out during bingo night at
the retirement center. Send them a cake or something, you know,
Is there anything else you'd like to add, anything you
want to plug, or you know, anything you want to say? Um, definitely.
I make music. If you don't know who I am,
and I release an EP, call you know, I usually
(40:20):
wrap a lot, but this EP has a lot of singing.
And I haven't been posting about it that much because
I've been so busy and I've just been really isolated
and just feeling really antisocial. But I think the most
important thing is if you're feeling like you don't have
enough work life balance, it's okay because me and Cody
(40:42):
go through the same thing that's sucking constantly on my mind. Dude, Yeah,
it feels good hearing someone else say that, because I
feel like I'm the only one that's Everyone else seems
like they got their ship together and they're totally I know,
fine with what's going on, and I'm just like cons
only worried about losing what I've built, you know, Oh
(41:03):
my god, dude, I think I think that's the thing.
I think it's because no one talks about it because
they don't want to seem like they're going through it,
because they feel like they're the only ones going through it.
Maybe I think everyone, Yeah, everyone probably does, especially Drake.
Everyone has to happen. It's almost like imposter syndrome a
little bit too. It's like I shouldn't be Yeah, I
I have that. Let's talk about the new EP for
(41:26):
a little bit, okay, because I noticed it is. Yeah,
it's like more singing, more pop. Is that like a
choice you intentionally made? Like or were you just in
the studio and that's just what kind of spoke to you?
This EP just happened just really spontaneously. Actually, it was
kind of just like a bunch of songs that I
was making at the time that I just I wanted
to you know, when I was making it, I wanted
to just like not overthink for ones and not think
(41:49):
too hard about like, Okay, when I put this out,
like what are people going to think about this? Like
are they going to think it's too singing or if
it's like to not me sounding, and that's that's the
kind of stuf that I always kind of get in
my head about. But with this one, I I just
wanted to make something that I like. If I listened
to it, then I would like it, And at the
(42:10):
time I just felt like singing. I wanted to explore
that side of me. I did a lot of the
production on this EP myself, which was fun. Just feeling
like I have that control over it was just like
it was really cool. And some people are like, oh no,
like which Brian is not rapping anymore, like what's happening? Um,
But at the same time, it's it's not really a
(42:32):
transitional thing that I'm doing. I'm not like slowly doing
singing stuff. So I can just leave rap forever or
something you're not you're not pulling in m g K.
Is that what he's doing? Machine Gun Kelly? Did you
see he can completely switched genres? You know he's now
doing pop punk music like blank when a two type
ship with Travis Barker and now is the album debut
(42:55):
at number one like it worked, oh, which is which
is pretty wild. But he that's like the modern example.
I feel like if someone that's just switched. Yeah, which
there's no problem with any of that. I think that's
just part of being an artist is like you're probably like, well,
this is this is what's inspiring me, so now I'm
gonna do it and yeah, like yeah, but when are
you going to rap again? It's like doesn't matter. It's
(43:16):
like whatever I want to do, you know. Yeah. It
also it also just like people forget that um sometimes
like it depends also on the project, like if this
project has this kind of theme, then it requires this
much singing, and like you know, it always depends on
you know, it's kind of like a case by case situation.
(43:36):
But I still love rapping, like at the end of
the day, like I really love just ly. Yeah. Yeah,
I think I think that's what I've been just like
super into like when I listen to music, I I
I love listening to what they're saying. Yeah, because I
feel like in my previous music, like um, in my
(43:56):
older works, like that's something that I wasn't paying super
deep attention too. I was kind of just like focus
on how it sounds and like the flows and stuff
like that. So with this one, it's, uh, I just
wanted to sing my heart out I guess express my
inner Seawan Mendez. Alright, yeah, well here I'll leave you
(44:18):
to it. Go make some Cobbo beats, Go make some
reggaeton maybe. And it was, honestly was great seeing you
dude and catching up. And I appreciate you being on
the show. Thank you so much. Thank you later. Later
you have a trouble with life, wont let me give
you some of fun. The Pleasure Is Ours is a
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