June 1, 2022 • 24 mins
Welcoming Kate Kennedy to The Pod Club! In this week’s episode, host Jo Piazza is joined by the chat show queen herself Kate Kennedy to, you know, chat. On her show Be There in Five, she chats with herself about everything from dating apps to the decision to have children to the seemingly lavish world of influencers. Today, she’s on The Pod Club to talk with Jo about the magical world of podcasting. Nothing is off limits as they discuss Kate’s favorite dating shows, how she stays up-to-date on pop culture, and most importantly, how she does the impossible: carries a show on her own without a cohost.
Kate’s Show:
Be There in Five
Shows Mentioned:
Bitch Sesh
Las Culturistas
Everything Iconic
Girls Gotta Eat
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I kind of think of it as um, you know
how when we shifted away from like traditional cable and
flipping through the guide and now you have to go out,
it's like a paralysis of choice and having to figure
out what specifically you feel like listening to or watching
that day. I kind of try to be more of
like flipping through the guide and talk about like a
million different things to keep your interest in one show
(00:21):
of that like are going on or that I'm interested in,
and I don't know. Sometimes it's hard for me to
pinpoint the niche things I care about on a particular day.
It's a podcast podcast post. Welcome back to the pod club.
I'm very happy you're here today to chat with us,
because today we are speaking to the Queen of chatty podcasts.
(00:45):
It is none other than Kate Kennedy on our show
be There in five. She mostly chats with herself, which
is really sometimes the best person to chat with. She
speaks sometimes for hours about whatever is on her mind,
and you might think that that would get boring, but
with Kate it never does. She has a superpower where
(01:07):
she's interesting just talking for hours and hours at a time.
Kate talks about celebrities, Internet culture, or really all of
the things in the zeitgeist and a lot of the
things that we don't talk about enough or that we're
afraid to talk about. She does it in this way
that is completely captivating and interesting, and so so many
(01:30):
women that I know flocked to her week after week
to hear what she has to say. And so I
needed to talk to Kate about this superpower. Is it
something she was born with? Did she develop it? How
can I make people listen to me for hours and hours?
I can't even get people to listen to me for
like thirty minutes. I wanted to know exactly how Kate
(01:51):
Kennedy made such a simple but incredibly influential show and
what it takes to keep that going. How does be
There in five come together every week? You know, as
the name would suggest, Uh, it's always a little behind,
(02:11):
it's a little piece together, It's it's a little different
every week. Honestly, I don't have to, you know, independently,
UM produced and I do the editing, and it kind
of depends. Since I'm independent, I like to talk about
things that are pretty up to the minute, so I
can be nimble and like record one day and put
it out the next But for deep dives, it's oftentimes
sitting down for like long passes of time, you know,
(02:34):
thirty minutes to an hour at a time, talking about
something and then going back and triming it down to
you know, two and a half hours. And it is
a little bit odd to speak to yourself for a
long periods of time. But it's been nice to kind
of control the narrative, to do a lot of research,
you know, even just from a podcast, like production standpoint,
scheduling guests and stuff can be hard. So by it
(02:56):
started alone because I was kind of under the radar
and people didn't want to be on it, but then
by I just kind of ended up liking the single narration.
So yeah, it's a beast to put together, but I
genuinely enjoy it. I really like the description of your podcast,
um long form and solo hosted be There in five
explores different facets of pop culture in a comedic, thoughtful,
(03:18):
and analytical way. And then the last line is from
one listener. Come for the relatable humor and lighthearted topics,
stay for the surprising levels of depth and thoughtfulness injected
into them. And I really like that because I can't
tell you how many times I've talked to different women
about various things about should I, should I have a baby?
(03:40):
Should I quit my job? And they'll mention your podcast
to be there in five They'll be like, Okay, Kennedy
talked about this in five. And I think that's because
you do inject now what could be a lighthearted episode
with really sincere, honest thoughtfulness, as if you were just
talking to maybe you're smarter, cool er best friend. Oh
(04:02):
that's so nice of you to say, Oh my gosh,
you know, I think that what ended up kind of happening,
Especially as I grew a bit and um talk to
networks and thought about where to put the podcast. I
kind of noticed a lot the podcasting. It makes sense,
but it has a tendency to put people in boxes,
specifically women in boxes. And I noticed that there was
(04:22):
a real call to action for me to like narrow down,
you know, like are you health and wellness? Are you
true crime? Are you pop culture? Are you TV? Recaps?
And I kind of was like, you know, I think
there comes a time where you have to ask yourself,
if you're doing something different, does that necessarily mean it's wrong?
And in many cases for me, Yes, But I noticed
that women are more dynamic than the niche podcast they
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listened to. They might highlights a lot of their interests,
but could there be a podcast that kind of represents range?
And do I have to niche down to be successful?
And can I cry into the mic about being unsure
about having kids one week and then like talk about
Turtle Creak Lanes, Aggressive Home Dacre the next Like maybe?
And um, I kind of just wanted to reflect my
audience and how dynamic they are and the content I share.
(05:06):
And it's not like a great marketing cell sometimes because
people want to want you to be a little more predictable.
But I think it's more realistic about what women care about.
I think that's true. I think that when I tune
into a podcast, I don't want to just hear about
health and wellness. I don't want to hear just about politics.
I want to hear a little bit of everything because
I don't don't have that much time in my day
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and so if someone can give me their thoughts on
a lot of different things, and I think that's about
something really special. I mean, that's like podcast gold to me.
Oh that's nice of you say, yeah, I pepper and
deep dives of like hot topics to offset it, because
I also think there's a real gap in mainstream media
of this stuff. A lot of people in my rough
demographic care about with like kind of non traditional celebrity
(05:51):
stories that don't fall into normal entertainment news about like
bloggers or you know, back in the day, like the
call her Daddy saga was a big episode, or uh,
you know, think talking about d I wires, or you
had an incredible Sharonting episode. I love so much. I'm
obsessed with that right now. Like, I think those pockets
of information about our like modern celebrities, no one will
admit our celebrities influencers are I think people really want
(06:12):
to talk about. I really liked your recent episode talking
about mental health and therapy on Instagram and TikTok and
social media, and you had licensed therapist Amanda White on
the show to talk through why are we being served
up so much mental health help in our feeds these days?
(06:32):
It's kind of I mean not to use not to
use a pun, but it is a little bit crazy.
You know, people that have absolutely no medical affiliation, medical
affiliation whatsoever, are like follow me if you're like neurodivergent
X y Z, And then you look and there's like
no inclination of them having any credentials whatsoever. But it's
(06:56):
almost like spurred off these you know, makeshift self help
coachy type people that you will co opt a lot
of the terminology, I think, without having any of the
medical training. And I've talked about that a lot with
like coaches and self help and stuff, and like, do
you feel like you've seen an uptick in that? I mean,
I think that's worse than a therapist. Do you think
(07:18):
you know? First, they have no training for sure, And
like the wild thing for a lot of them is
that reviews not to help people. It's just reviews and
exact exactly. And like, I mean, I think that it's
hard because it it is some people discover something about
themselves and it's help ball and you know, getting diagnosis,
(07:39):
getting mental health care is really expensive and not accessible.
So I think, like, you know, being able to relate
to someone's really powerful. I think that's what's so hard
is how do you balance between wanting someone to see
your contents you can help people or reach people, and
where's the balance between you're just trying to get likes
and attention. I think people want you to have a
(08:04):
hot take. It's all good or it's all bad. But
it was interesting to talk with Amanda about how in
many ways it's great to open up that dialogue. In
many ways it's really been tough on therapist because people
are coming in hot with self diagnoses from you know,
non licensed professionals, and uh, yeah, it's that. That's a
fascinating topic. I mean, honestly, because I do feel like
(08:26):
you often come across as everyone's podcast best friend, I
have to ask you what podcasts do you listen to?
Are there any podcasters that feel like there your friends? Yes? Absolutely.
I think the the first the podcast that got me
really into podcasts was your gateway podcast We love was
(08:54):
Bitch Sesh with Casey Rose Wilson and Danielle Schneider, which
is actually a Housewives recap podcast, but there are two
comedians writers, They've developed shows, and that was kind of
my first taste into what I like, which is a
slightly elevated conversation about something that's pretty trivial. You know,
we haven't talked about Bitch Sesh yet on the pod Club,
and I'm really glad that you brought it up, because,
(09:16):
like you said, it's got Casey Wilson and daniel Schneider
on it, and you know, it's ostensibly a Real Housewives
breakdown show, but as a show that's everything about a
woman's life. Like they talk about they talk about everything,
and they do. They're so fun that they do feel
like they're they're just two of your friends telling like
(09:37):
laughing into your ears, absolutely and something I really look for.
I love mediums that make you feel I don't know,
I feel like there's historically you can feel a lot
of shame and your kind of surface level interests, your
pop culture interests are loving celebrity gossip of a reality TV.
People make fun of people for liking that stuff for
(09:58):
so long as if it's you know, less of phisticated
and fantasy football god forbid um. And I feel like
people like people, especially like you know Casey and Danielle
that are established writers, are people in the industry, They
have other careers and lives them saying, you know, we
produce like scripted shows that are award winning, but we
(10:18):
also really love this reality show and think it's important
and think it as cultural impact and think these dynamic
women have stories worth telling, and I love when people
like kind of stand strong in their interests that may
be traditionally written off as, you know, being less important
or sophisticated than other things you could be spending your
time doing. And I think Bitch Sesh helped people just
own that they really like Housewives because it's really it's
(10:40):
a fun show to watch, and it's like a whole
Marvel verse in its own right that often doesn't get
credit for the creative content it brings to the table.
It is a Marvel verse in its own right, and
I've never heard it described like that. But now now
that's out there, your coin, and yeah, no, that's that's
going to be a thing. I especially liked the sessh
episode about the farewell to the Kardashians, yet another very
(11:05):
important cultural phenomenon. And I'm not even I'm not even
you know, being shifty when I say that the Kardashians
changed American culture for better or for worse, and they
gave it a beautiful send off. So I want to
play a quick little clip of the Bitch Sex ladies,
you know, saying goodbye to the Kardashians. Guys, look set
(11:27):
Kardashians because I don't want to take a ton of
your time. But last week we found it were not timely,
but we found out that they were pulling the plug.
And it was interesting that they announced it on Kimmy's Instagram.
It wasn't like the whole family released something. I think
they were like, look, your sex tide launched us, and
you'll bring us out, and you and you took us
into this world and you'll take us out. Where was
(11:49):
everybody when the news came in? Well, I know we
were all on a group chat because I got super angry.
I thought it was a joke. You guys were writing,
oh r, I p the Kardashians and I wrote, like,
you know what, it's one of my favorite shows. You
guys always have me on. Bitch. That's just like a
dancing monkey who doesn't know about these And I actually
(12:12):
know lots about the Kardashians. No one, and I never
knew thistle bit Jessica. I never knew this and I
never knew this. Were you embarrassed because you never asked? God? So?
What else are you listening to on a regular basis?
(12:34):
I want? I won't say daily, because I feel like
most people don't listen to podcast on a daily basis,
but like a weekly basis. I think that I've probably
developed a podcast based on how I listen to podcasts,
and that I love to dive into one when I'm
cleaning or working on a project, you know, on a
long trip. Uh. And that's why I'm long form. I
like longer form. I always wish podcasts were longer because
(12:55):
I like to get lost in one. UM. But I
I mean, there are a lot like the other pop
culture ones I love. UM are lost culture, he says
with Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers. Look may oh, I
see you? Why why look over there? How is that culture? Yes?
Goodness does UM? I think they have a really creative,
(13:18):
funny angle on the way they discuss things, and I
and they I love one podcast developed kind of their
own canon and jargon, and UM like, I love their
two moments in culture history. I just think they're brilliant
and very funny. And I love watching Bowen's career takeoff.
We actually are arriving at the top two. At the
top two, number two Oprah's interview with Barbara Walters. We
(13:43):
should clarify this was in Barbara Walters was interviewing Oprah.
Oprah was the subject. This is around the time when
the show was ending. Yes, very emotional, and it was
emotionally thick. And I believe what makes this such an
important moment is it's two women who were boundary breakers
(14:03):
in media. In media, Barbara Walters the first woman to
really break through in a broadcasting capacity and knocked down
so many doors for everyone that would follow her, including Oprah,
who in turn did that for women of color and
black women. And like just two of the biggest women
in media sitting down and having a conversation about what
(14:26):
this means and how they've gotten to where they've gotten
a legacy that they that they leave centered around Oprah. Obviously,
I feel like people like Bowen when you kind of
start listening early and then he gets on SNL. It's
always fun when you feel like you were there for
like the garage band era of an artist's career. You know,
he's like, you know he's going to be huge and
(14:48):
already is. But they have a really good chemistry between
the two of them. But they also do a good
job of changing up topics and uh, I don't know.
I think they're like a true pop culture podcast in
ways that I am not. I just discovered the term
(15:26):
comfort creator when when there was an article about it
in the New York Times that a comfort creator is
someone that you follow or listen to who just like
makes you makes you feel better about the world, which
we all all want right now. And I feel like
you're a comfort creator for so many people. What what
else are you listening to for your own comfort? Um?
(15:47):
I love everything icon of Go Danny Pellegrino. He's a
comfort creator for me? What is it? I don't know
anything about this either. I get so excited when people
come on the show and tell me about shows that
I don't know. All right, I'm gonna look us up
tell it to me. So he kind of started more
as doing like show recaps, but we'll do a lot
of really specific um pop cultural deep dives. And he's
(16:09):
kind of a single narrator and as a soothing voice
and kind of does a lot of tangents like I do,
and calls him detours and he's funny and heartwarming, and
he recaps shows in a much more dynamic way that's
not really just regurgitating what happened, but kind of analyzing
it and anything that's popular, really anything on Bravo and
so many more pockets of pop culture. He um kind
(16:30):
of snorkles through beautifully, and I just think he's really
really talented. Oh snorkles through. I like that image. And
so that's that is Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino. And
I'm looking up some episodes right now, and he has
a recap review of Just Like That where he talks
all about Shaddas, who is played by Sarah Ramirez on
(16:52):
Just Like That. And my take on Just Like That,
the Sex and the City reboot is that it's just
for me. It's just all Sarah Ramirez, and that's why
I'm coming. I'm coming back for Jadas every single week,
and I don't care about the other ladies anymore, and
I don't care if that's controversial. So I'm excited to
listen to what Danny Pellegrino has to say. And I'm
going to download this episode of Everything Iconic right now. Amazing.
(17:13):
I feel like I have two more I can shout
out just if people are interested in like dating content,
Oh yeah, we haven't talked enough about dating content on
this show, so bring it up, because we like, I
don't have a lot of juicy stories for dating, and
that's like a total gap and what I can provide people. So, um,
I love Why Won't You Date Me? With Nicole Buyer
and Girls Got to Eat with Ashley Hasseltine and Randon Greenberg.
(17:34):
I think those are both two really strong popular shows
about sex and dating relationships that also inject important other
things women and then care about. And um, yeah, I
just wouldn't need to round out my regular listens with
those two because I love to hear those stories even
though I'm married and not in on the scene. And
I think it's a really fascinating, like cultural conversation about
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how people are dating these days. Yes, yes, and it's
totally different from when I was dating, even though I
only stopped dating about seven years ago. I think the
world of dating has changed so much. Girls Gotta Eat
is a new pod club recommendation that we have not
heard before, and I'm really psyched that you just introduced
(18:16):
that to our audience because I think it is such
a hilarious and irreverent but in the right kind of way,
take on what it's like to be a woman trying
to date in the world these days. Yeah, Girls Gotta Eat.
It's a comedy podcast about relationships and dating and sex
hosted by Ashley Hesseltine and Raina Greenberg. They also have
(18:38):
like really fun and crazy live shows and it's kind
of all dating related topics on their day, say, from
like sexual fetishes to finances. But they bring in like
a really dynamic series of like co host from therapists, authors, comedians,
people that aren't just like sex and relationship experts, but
real people sharing their intimate stories. And they're so open
they share their own stories and lives, and I sheet
(19:00):
the commitment to the medium that you know, it's not
easy to open up about the day to day of
your personal life on a podcast, but it makes it
so much more relatable and helpful and actionable to people,
to not be coy about your privacy, which in many
cases it's better for people, but it really works for
the intimacy of the audio medium. I think to develop
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a friendship with people who are also divulging their you know,
turning details to you the way a friend what it
makes it so much more believable. And when you go
to their shows, they have such a closeness with their
audience and it's really cool. I can't decide if situation
ship has a purely negative connotation, because I think there's
definitely something to be said for casual, undefined relationships that
(19:42):
work for both parties. Absolutely. I think this is about,
like we're talking to people today that really aren't happy
with their situation situation ship. But I think the first
step is realizing if you are unhappy or not, you know.
I just I think this couple I was doing, you know,
at a stand up show, doing crowd work, and I asked,
you know what, I was talking to the couples, like,
where are you guys dating whatever? And she answered first
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she said like it's a situation ship, and she said
it with confidence. I don't give a funk like and
I don't know. Maybe she was in the driver's seat
truly and he didn't want to and he wanted to
wipe her up and she wasn't having it. Like I
don't know what was going on, but she certainly didn't
give me the energy. Again, it's a stand up show,
so I don't know these people on a deep level,
but she gave me the energy of like we're just
doing it, you know, like we're here on a date.
Clearly we're at a comedy club, so we're not just
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like after hours fucking booty call style, but like we
don't have a label on it, and like that's fine. Again,
I could be reading way too much of this. She
could she could have gone home and cried, but like,
you know, but it's just I think of that because
I think that like a situationship can be held like
at the confusion not knowing what's going on. But I
think you have to ask yourself, like do I actually
want to date this person? Truly? Like take a step
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back and be like do I want to date this person?
Or do I just want to win? Do I want
to be chosen? Is my ego talking here? Do I
just want to be somebody's girlfriend or somebody's boyfriend and
my feeling pressure from friends, family, society, whatever it may be,
because that's the first step and then we'll move on
from this. But like, maybe this is a person that
being casual with is what you want to if you
(21:07):
really think about it. I actually think that their show
is similar to what Sex in the City would be
if it were today, right, Like Sex in the City
felt so groundbreaking years ago, but this is what this
is how people actually talk about dating in relationships now.
I loved they had an episode back in December, signs
(21:30):
Your Rebound. Yes, I really wish that this episode had
existed when I was in my twenties, because I'm convinced
I was always the rebound. It was just like I was.
I was always that girl that you go out with
when you get broken up and then they always married
the next one after a right single time. Right. I
know that that. I love kind of those little pockets
(21:51):
of dating where you can like hyper focus on one
little phenomenon, whether it's like getting friend zoned or your
ghosted yeah, because it's yeah, you feel like alone in
it when you're going through and especially when in your
twenties or thirties or fourties, like everyone's in such a
vastly different life phase. You can find yourself in a
reference group where you're the only one that's single, You're
(22:12):
the only one that's gotten broken up with her in
this circumstance. And it's so important to find community and
people that can make you feel like you're just where
you're supposed to be. And I think that's what that
podcast really does for a lot of people. I'm so
glad that we have now had you on the Podclub.
Welcome to the Podclub family, and I just I can't
(22:35):
tell people enough to listen be there in five because
it is a podcast that just brings me great joy. Oh,
thank you so much. That means a lot coming from you.
I love your work as well. I love the idea
of a podcast about podcasts. It's like why I liked
People's Couch and Hill about watching shows. I think we
don't talk enough about anytime we can celebrate the media
we love. I think it's really cool and important. So
(22:55):
thank you for having me on. That's it for the
pod Club today. That's all I got. And I knew,
I just knew in my heart that Kate would be
right on the pulse of really good shows. That you'd
have truly excellent recommendations just in case you didn't write
them down, because who carries a pen when they listen
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to podcasts. This is what Kate told us to listen
to this week. Bitch Sesh, That's Sesh with an s H,
s E s H, Last Culture Aristas, Everything Iconic, and
girls Gotta Eat. That is it for this week. See
you next time, Be good, my friends. The pod Club
(23:39):
is hosted by Me Joe Pianza. Our executive producers are
Me Again and Emily Marinoff. Our producers are Mary Do
and Darby Masters. Our associate producer is Lauren Philip. Our
theme and additional music was composed by Aaron Kaufman. Aaron
Kaufman is also our consulting producer and special thing thanks
(24:00):
to Nikki Etoor, he was just a wonderful human being
who I like to think at the end of episodes.
I kind of think of it as um, you know
how when we shifted away from like traditional cable and
flipping through the guide and now you have to go out,
it's like a paralysis of choice and having to figure
out what specifically you feel like listening to or watching
that day. I kind of try to be more of
like flipping through the guide and talk about like a
million different things to keep your interest in one show
(00:21):
of that like are going on or that I'm interested in,
and I don't know. Sometimes it's hard for me to
pinpoint the niche things I care about on a particular day.
It's a podcast podcast post. Welcome back to the pod club.
I'm very happy you're here today to chat with us,
because today we are speaking to the Queen of chatty podcasts.
(00:45):
It is none other than Kate Kennedy on our show
be There in five. She mostly chats with herself, which
is really sometimes the best person to chat with. She
speaks sometimes for hours about whatever is on her mind,
and you might think that that would get boring, but
with Kate it never does. She has a superpower where
(01:07):
she's interesting just talking for hours and hours at a time.
Kate talks about celebrities, Internet culture, or really all of
the things in the zeitgeist and a lot of the
things that we don't talk about enough or that we're
afraid to talk about. She does it in this way
that is completely captivating and interesting, and so so many
(01:30):
women that I know flocked to her week after week
to hear what she has to say. And so I
needed to talk to Kate about this superpower. Is it
something she was born with? Did she develop it? How
can I make people listen to me for hours and hours?
I can't even get people to listen to me for
like thirty minutes. I wanted to know exactly how Kate
(01:51):
Kennedy made such a simple but incredibly influential show and
what it takes to keep that going. How does be
There in five come together every week? You know, as
the name would suggest, Uh, it's always a little behind,
(02:11):
it's a little piece together, It's it's a little different
every week. Honestly, I don't have to, you know, independently,
UM produced and I do the editing, and it kind
of depends. Since I'm independent, I like to talk about
things that are pretty up to the minute, so I
can be nimble and like record one day and put
it out the next But for deep dives, it's oftentimes
sitting down for like long passes of time, you know,
(02:34):
thirty minutes to an hour at a time, talking about
something and then going back and triming it down to
you know, two and a half hours. And it is
a little bit odd to speak to yourself for a
long periods of time. But it's been nice to kind
of control the narrative, to do a lot of research,
you know, even just from a podcast, like production standpoint,
scheduling guests and stuff can be hard. So by it
(02:56):
started alone because I was kind of under the radar
and people didn't want to be on it, but then
by I just kind of ended up liking the single narration.
So yeah, it's a beast to put together, but I
genuinely enjoy it. I really like the description of your podcast,
um long form and solo hosted be There in five
explores different facets of pop culture in a comedic, thoughtful,
(03:18):
and analytical way. And then the last line is from
one listener. Come for the relatable humor and lighthearted topics,
stay for the surprising levels of depth and thoughtfulness injected
into them. And I really like that because I can't
tell you how many times I've talked to different women
about various things about should I, should I have a baby?
(03:40):
Should I quit my job? And they'll mention your podcast
to be there in five They'll be like, Okay, Kennedy
talked about this in five. And I think that's because
you do inject now what could be a lighthearted episode
with really sincere, honest thoughtfulness, as if you were just
talking to maybe you're smarter, cool er best friend. Oh
(04:02):
that's so nice of you to say, Oh my gosh,
you know, I think that what ended up kind of happening,
Especially as I grew a bit and um talk to
networks and thought about where to put the podcast. I
kind of noticed a lot the podcasting. It makes sense,
but it has a tendency to put people in boxes,
specifically women in boxes. And I noticed that there was
(04:22):
a real call to action for me to like narrow down,
you know, like are you health and wellness? Are you
true crime? Are you pop culture? Are you TV? Recaps?
And I kind of was like, you know, I think
there comes a time where you have to ask yourself,
if you're doing something different, does that necessarily mean it's wrong?
And in many cases for me, Yes, But I noticed
that women are more dynamic than the niche podcast they
(04:43):
listened to. They might highlights a lot of their interests,
but could there be a podcast that kind of represents range?
And do I have to niche down to be successful?
And can I cry into the mic about being unsure
about having kids one week and then like talk about
Turtle Creak Lanes, Aggressive Home Dacre the next Like maybe?
And um, I kind of just wanted to reflect my
audience and how dynamic they are and the content I share.
(05:06):
And it's not like a great marketing cell sometimes because
people want to want you to be a little more predictable.
But I think it's more realistic about what women care about.
I think that's true. I think that when I tune
into a podcast, I don't want to just hear about
health and wellness. I don't want to hear just about politics.
I want to hear a little bit of everything because
I don't don't have that much time in my day
(05:28):
and so if someone can give me their thoughts on
a lot of different things, and I think that's about
something really special. I mean, that's like podcast gold to me.
Oh that's nice of you say, yeah, I pepper and
deep dives of like hot topics to offset it, because
I also think there's a real gap in mainstream media
of this stuff. A lot of people in my rough
demographic care about with like kind of non traditional celebrity
(05:51):
stories that don't fall into normal entertainment news about like
bloggers or you know, back in the day, like the
call her Daddy saga was a big episode, or uh,
you know, think talking about d I wires, or you
had an incredible Sharonting episode. I love so much. I'm
obsessed with that right now. Like, I think those pockets
of information about our like modern celebrities, no one will
admit our celebrities influencers are I think people really want
(06:12):
to talk about. I really liked your recent episode talking
about mental health and therapy on Instagram and TikTok and
social media, and you had licensed therapist Amanda White on
the show to talk through why are we being served
up so much mental health help in our feeds these days?
(06:32):
It's kind of I mean not to use not to
use a pun, but it is a little bit crazy.
You know, people that have absolutely no medical affiliation, medical
affiliation whatsoever, are like follow me if you're like neurodivergent
X y Z, And then you look and there's like
no inclination of them having any credentials whatsoever. But it's
(06:56):
almost like spurred off these you know, makeshift self help
coachy type people that you will co opt a lot
of the terminology, I think, without having any of the
medical training. And I've talked about that a lot with
like coaches and self help and stuff, and like, do
you feel like you've seen an uptick in that? I mean,
I think that's worse than a therapist. Do you think
(07:18):
you know? First, they have no training for sure, And
like the wild thing for a lot of them is
that reviews not to help people. It's just reviews and
exact exactly. And like, I mean, I think that it's
hard because it it is some people discover something about
themselves and it's help ball and you know, getting diagnosis,
(07:39):
getting mental health care is really expensive and not accessible.
So I think, like, you know, being able to relate
to someone's really powerful. I think that's what's so hard
is how do you balance between wanting someone to see
your contents you can help people or reach people, and
where's the balance between you're just trying to get likes
and attention. I think people want you to have a
(08:04):
hot take. It's all good or it's all bad. But
it was interesting to talk with Amanda about how in
many ways it's great to open up that dialogue. In
many ways it's really been tough on therapist because people
are coming in hot with self diagnoses from you know,
non licensed professionals, and uh, yeah, it's that. That's a
fascinating topic. I mean, honestly, because I do feel like
(08:26):
you often come across as everyone's podcast best friend, I
have to ask you what podcasts do you listen to?
Are there any podcasters that feel like there your friends? Yes? Absolutely.
I think the the first the podcast that got me
really into podcasts was your gateway podcast We love was
(08:54):
Bitch Sesh with Casey Rose Wilson and Danielle Schneider, which
is actually a Housewives recap podcast, but there are two
comedians writers, They've developed shows, and that was kind of
my first taste into what I like, which is a
slightly elevated conversation about something that's pretty trivial. You know,
we haven't talked about Bitch Sesh yet on the pod Club,
and I'm really glad that you brought it up, because,
(09:16):
like you said, it's got Casey Wilson and daniel Schneider
on it, and you know, it's ostensibly a Real Housewives
breakdown show, but as a show that's everything about a
woman's life. Like they talk about they talk about everything,
and they do. They're so fun that they do feel
like they're they're just two of your friends telling like
(09:37):
laughing into your ears, absolutely and something I really look for.
I love mediums that make you feel I don't know,
I feel like there's historically you can feel a lot
of shame and your kind of surface level interests, your
pop culture interests are loving celebrity gossip of a reality TV.
People make fun of people for liking that stuff for
(09:58):
so long as if it's you know, less of phisticated
and fantasy football god forbid um. And I feel like
people like people, especially like you know Casey and Danielle
that are established writers, are people in the industry, They
have other careers and lives them saying, you know, we
produce like scripted shows that are award winning, but we
(10:18):
also really love this reality show and think it's important
and think it as cultural impact and think these dynamic
women have stories worth telling, and I love when people
like kind of stand strong in their interests that may
be traditionally written off as, you know, being less important
or sophisticated than other things you could be spending your
time doing. And I think Bitch Sesh helped people just
own that they really like Housewives because it's really it's
(10:40):
a fun show to watch, and it's like a whole
Marvel verse in its own right that often doesn't get
credit for the creative content it brings to the table.
It is a Marvel verse in its own right, and
I've never heard it described like that. But now now
that's out there, your coin, and yeah, no, that's that's
going to be a thing. I especially liked the sessh
episode about the farewell to the Kardashians, yet another very
(11:05):
important cultural phenomenon. And I'm not even I'm not even
you know, being shifty when I say that the Kardashians
changed American culture for better or for worse, and they
gave it a beautiful send off. So I want to
play a quick little clip of the Bitch Sex ladies,
you know, saying goodbye to the Kardashians. Guys, look set
(11:27):
Kardashians because I don't want to take a ton of
your time. But last week we found it were not timely,
but we found out that they were pulling the plug.
And it was interesting that they announced it on Kimmy's Instagram.
It wasn't like the whole family released something. I think
they were like, look, your sex tide launched us, and
you'll bring us out, and you and you took us
into this world and you'll take us out. Where was
(11:49):
everybody when the news came in? Well, I know we
were all on a group chat because I got super angry.
I thought it was a joke. You guys were writing,
oh r, I p the Kardashians and I wrote, like,
you know what, it's one of my favorite shows. You
guys always have me on. Bitch. That's just like a
dancing monkey who doesn't know about these And I actually
(12:12):
know lots about the Kardashians. No one, and I never
knew thistle bit Jessica. I never knew this and I
never knew this. Were you embarrassed because you never asked? God? So?
What else are you listening to on a regular basis?
(12:34):
I want? I won't say daily, because I feel like
most people don't listen to podcast on a daily basis,
but like a weekly basis. I think that I've probably
developed a podcast based on how I listen to podcasts,
and that I love to dive into one when I'm
cleaning or working on a project, you know, on a
long trip. Uh. And that's why I'm long form. I
like longer form. I always wish podcasts were longer because
(12:55):
I like to get lost in one. UM. But I
I mean, there are a lot like the other pop
culture ones I love. UM are lost culture, he says
with Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers. Look may oh, I
see you? Why why look over there? How is that culture? Yes?
Goodness does UM? I think they have a really creative,
(13:18):
funny angle on the way they discuss things, and I
and they I love one podcast developed kind of their
own canon and jargon, and UM like, I love their
two moments in culture history. I just think they're brilliant
and very funny. And I love watching Bowen's career takeoff.
We actually are arriving at the top two. At the
top two, number two Oprah's interview with Barbara Walters. We
(13:43):
should clarify this was in Barbara Walters was interviewing Oprah.
Oprah was the subject. This is around the time when
the show was ending. Yes, very emotional, and it was
emotionally thick. And I believe what makes this such an
important moment is it's two women who were boundary breakers
(14:03):
in media. In media, Barbara Walters the first woman to
really break through in a broadcasting capacity and knocked down
so many doors for everyone that would follow her, including Oprah,
who in turn did that for women of color and
black women. And like just two of the biggest women
in media sitting down and having a conversation about what
(14:26):
this means and how they've gotten to where they've gotten
a legacy that they that they leave centered around Oprah. Obviously,
I feel like people like Bowen when you kind of
start listening early and then he gets on SNL. It's
always fun when you feel like you were there for
like the garage band era of an artist's career. You know,
he's like, you know he's going to be huge and
(14:48):
already is. But they have a really good chemistry between
the two of them. But they also do a good
job of changing up topics and uh, I don't know.
I think they're like a true pop culture podcast in
ways that I am not. I just discovered the term
(15:26):
comfort creator when when there was an article about it
in the New York Times that a comfort creator is
someone that you follow or listen to who just like
makes you makes you feel better about the world, which
we all all want right now. And I feel like
you're a comfort creator for so many people. What what
else are you listening to for your own comfort? Um?
(15:47):
I love everything icon of Go Danny Pellegrino. He's a
comfort creator for me? What is it? I don't know
anything about this either. I get so excited when people
come on the show and tell me about shows that
I don't know. All right, I'm gonna look us up
tell it to me. So he kind of started more
as doing like show recaps, but we'll do a lot
of really specific um pop cultural deep dives. And he's
(16:09):
kind of a single narrator and as a soothing voice
and kind of does a lot of tangents like I do,
and calls him detours and he's funny and heartwarming, and
he recaps shows in a much more dynamic way that's
not really just regurgitating what happened, but kind of analyzing
it and anything that's popular, really anything on Bravo and
so many more pockets of pop culture. He um kind
(16:30):
of snorkles through beautifully, and I just think he's really
really talented. Oh snorkles through. I like that image. And
so that's that is Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino. And
I'm looking up some episodes right now, and he has
a recap review of Just Like That where he talks
all about Shaddas, who is played by Sarah Ramirez on
(16:52):
Just Like That. And my take on Just Like That,
the Sex and the City reboot is that it's just
for me. It's just all Sarah Ramirez, and that's why
I'm coming. I'm coming back for Jadas every single week,
and I don't care about the other ladies anymore, and
I don't care if that's controversial. So I'm excited to
listen to what Danny Pellegrino has to say. And I'm
going to download this episode of Everything Iconic right now. Amazing.
(17:13):
I feel like I have two more I can shout
out just if people are interested in like dating content,
Oh yeah, we haven't talked enough about dating content on
this show, so bring it up, because we like, I
don't have a lot of juicy stories for dating, and
that's like a total gap and what I can provide people. So, um,
I love Why Won't You Date Me? With Nicole Buyer
and Girls Got to Eat with Ashley Hasseltine and Randon Greenberg.
(17:34):
I think those are both two really strong popular shows
about sex and dating relationships that also inject important other
things women and then care about. And um, yeah, I
just wouldn't need to round out my regular listens with
those two because I love to hear those stories even
though I'm married and not in on the scene. And
I think it's a really fascinating, like cultural conversation about
(17:55):
how people are dating these days. Yes, yes, and it's
totally different from when I was dating, even though I
only stopped dating about seven years ago. I think the
world of dating has changed so much. Girls Gotta Eat
is a new pod club recommendation that we have not
heard before, and I'm really psyched that you just introduced
(18:16):
that to our audience because I think it is such
a hilarious and irreverent but in the right kind of way,
take on what it's like to be a woman trying
to date in the world these days. Yeah, Girls Gotta Eat.
It's a comedy podcast about relationships and dating and sex
hosted by Ashley Hesseltine and Raina Greenberg. They also have
(18:38):
like really fun and crazy live shows and it's kind
of all dating related topics on their day, say, from
like sexual fetishes to finances. But they bring in like
a really dynamic series of like co host from therapists, authors, comedians,
people that aren't just like sex and relationship experts, but
real people sharing their intimate stories. And they're so open
they share their own stories and lives, and I sheet
(19:00):
the commitment to the medium that you know, it's not
easy to open up about the day to day of
your personal life on a podcast, but it makes it
so much more relatable and helpful and actionable to people,
to not be coy about your privacy, which in many
cases it's better for people, but it really works for
the intimacy of the audio medium. I think to develop
(19:22):
a friendship with people who are also divulging their you know,
turning details to you the way a friend what it
makes it so much more believable. And when you go
to their shows, they have such a closeness with their
audience and it's really cool. I can't decide if situation
ship has a purely negative connotation, because I think there's
definitely something to be said for casual, undefined relationships that
(19:42):
work for both parties. Absolutely. I think this is about,
like we're talking to people today that really aren't happy
with their situation situation ship. But I think the first
step is realizing if you are unhappy or not, you know.
I just I think this couple I was doing, you know,
at a stand up show, doing crowd work, and I asked,
you know what, I was talking to the couples, like,
where are you guys dating whatever? And she answered first
(20:03):
she said like it's a situation ship, and she said
it with confidence. I don't give a funk like and
I don't know. Maybe she was in the driver's seat
truly and he didn't want to and he wanted to
wipe her up and she wasn't having it. Like I
don't know what was going on, but she certainly didn't
give me the energy. Again, it's a stand up show,
so I don't know these people on a deep level,
but she gave me the energy of like we're just
doing it, you know, like we're here on a date.
Clearly we're at a comedy club, so we're not just
(20:25):
like after hours fucking booty call style, but like we
don't have a label on it, and like that's fine. Again,
I could be reading way too much of this. She
could she could have gone home and cried, but like,
you know, but it's just I think of that because
I think that like a situationship can be held like
at the confusion not knowing what's going on. But I
think you have to ask yourself, like do I actually
want to date this person? Truly? Like take a step
(20:46):
back and be like do I want to date this person?
Or do I just want to win? Do I want
to be chosen? Is my ego talking here? Do I
just want to be somebody's girlfriend or somebody's boyfriend and
my feeling pressure from friends, family, society, whatever it may be,
because that's the first step and then we'll move on
from this. But like, maybe this is a person that
being casual with is what you want to if you
(21:07):
really think about it. I actually think that their show
is similar to what Sex in the City would be
if it were today, right, Like Sex in the City
felt so groundbreaking years ago, but this is what this
is how people actually talk about dating in relationships now.
I loved they had an episode back in December, signs
(21:30):
Your Rebound. Yes, I really wish that this episode had
existed when I was in my twenties, because I'm convinced
I was always the rebound. It was just like I was.
I was always that girl that you go out with
when you get broken up and then they always married
the next one after a right single time. Right. I
know that that. I love kind of those little pockets
(21:51):
of dating where you can like hyper focus on one
little phenomenon, whether it's like getting friend zoned or your
ghosted yeah, because it's yeah, you feel like alone in
it when you're going through and especially when in your
twenties or thirties or fourties, like everyone's in such a
vastly different life phase. You can find yourself in a
reference group where you're the only one that's single, You're
(22:12):
the only one that's gotten broken up with her in
this circumstance. And it's so important to find community and
people that can make you feel like you're just where
you're supposed to be. And I think that's what that
podcast really does for a lot of people. I'm so
glad that we have now had you on the Podclub.
Welcome to the Podclub family, and I just I can't
(22:35):
tell people enough to listen be there in five because
it is a podcast that just brings me great joy. Oh,
thank you so much. That means a lot coming from you.
I love your work as well. I love the idea
of a podcast about podcasts. It's like why I liked
People's Couch and Hill about watching shows. I think we
don't talk enough about anytime we can celebrate the media
we love. I think it's really cool and important. So
(22:55):
thank you for having me on. That's it for the
pod Club today. That's all I got. And I knew,
I just knew in my heart that Kate would be
right on the pulse of really good shows. That you'd
have truly excellent recommendations just in case you didn't write
them down, because who carries a pen when they listen
(23:17):
to podcasts. This is what Kate told us to listen
to this week. Bitch Sesh, That's Sesh with an s H,
s E s H, Last Culture Aristas, Everything Iconic, and
girls Gotta Eat. That is it for this week. See
you next time, Be good, my friends. The pod Club
(23:39):
is hosted by Me Joe Pianza. Our executive producers are
Me Again and Emily Marinoff. Our producers are Mary Do
and Darby Masters. Our associate producer is Lauren Philip. Our
theme and additional music was composed by Aaron Kaufman. Aaron
Kaufman is also our consulting producer and special thing thanks
(24:00):
to Nikki Etoor, he was just a wonderful human being
who I like to think at the end of episodes.
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