June 14, 2022 • 26 mins
Welcoming Kate Spencer & Doree Shafrir to The Pod Club! One day while sitting on the couch with a glass of rosé chatting about face serums, these ladies were inspired to record a podcast. They wanted to make a show that reflects what they and their peers actually talk about. With that, Forever 35 was born and it has been wildly successful ever since. Every week, Doree and Kate chat with a guest to figure out how to feel good in our crazy world and now they’re on The Pod Club to recommend the best self-care shows to listen to. Doree, Kate, and Jo give so many options because there really is a podcast for everything. Olympic swimming? Yep. Ham Radio? Yep. Anything you need, Doree and Kate have the solution and will make you feel better in the process.
Doree & Kate's Show:
Forever35
Shows Mentioned:
Maintenance Phase
The Plot Thickens
Minnie Questions
That Thing You Do
The Viall Files
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ultimately, at the end of the day, the only thing
that's really gonna like, quote unquote fix your wrinkles, which like,
again I don't like that word, but just repeating what
you said is botox, right right? So good good? Yeah,
well I've got an appointment on Wednesday, so that that
(00:20):
should work for me. Great, you're covered. Not good that
I'm covered. But I thought I just thought i'd be able.
What other what else can I try? What can I try? Yeah,
I mean it's like the worst answer. But like, also
the truth is like radical self acceptance in the face
of a patriarchal society, Like there's no like you know
what I mean, what are we going to do? It's
a podcast. Hello, and welcome back to the pod Club.
(00:49):
Today we are bringing you Dori Shaffreer and Kate Spencer
of Forever thirty five. Dorian Kate's Forever thirty five is
one of those podcasts it's been around for aisle, but
it's also people's favorite, and it's because Dori and Kate
feel like they're You're, really good friends and they're just
sitting around shooting the ship, talking about what keeps them going,
(01:10):
what keeps life feeling okay? On a daily basis, products, activities,
things to watch, all of the stuff. Forever thirty five
is one of those just classically conversational shows that make
you feel like you're sitting on a couch with your friends.
And if I missed anything in the pandemic, it was
couch sitting, usually with a few glasses of wine. And frankly,
(01:32):
I've got to say, there can never be too many
chatty women in the podcast world. So I was very
excited to talk to them about how they've managed to
pull off such a delightful and a long running show.
I want to hear a little bit about how the
two of you came together to do a podcast like
(01:54):
Forever thirty five, which when you started there really wasn't
anything like it out there, and now there's there's a
lot of shows that talk that talked to women in
in a like honest way about health and wellness and
fitness and beauty. But you guys were the pioneers in
this space. How did you know that this would be
a thing that people wanted to listen to. Wow, that's
(02:17):
so nice that you would cause pioneers. I think we
were honestly just seeking to create content that we ourselves
wanted to be listening to and wanted to emulate conversations
that we were having with our friends. You know, I
was in my late thirties story, I think you were
late thirties and just turned forty, and a lot of
(02:37):
the conversations that we were having all the time personally,
we're not happening in any of the media we consumed,
And a lot of the conversation around things like skincare
and self care is often created by people younger than
us or kind of um promoted through a really aspirational
(02:58):
and often on a hantable lens. And I think we
were both trying to find ways in which this stuff
could actually be accessible and where we could also kind
of learn more. So it really was just like, how
do we how do we take the group chat and
turn it into a podcast? Oh? I love I love
(03:19):
that description. That's yeah, that's like literally it, you know.
So it's good to hear that we still for a
four plus years later. I know, what, do you guys
have a favorite episode of Forever thirty five, Like a
favorite interview that you've done? Oh gosh, you know, it
(03:43):
was an early interview, but I feel like our interview
with Sam Herby. I was going to say that one
is like a kind of if I may use this word,
iconic Forever thirty five interview. She's just so funny and
smart and engaging, and we talked to a products and
(04:04):
it just like ran the gamut of a Forever thirty
five interview. It was also pre pandemic, so we got
to do it in person. So yeah, that was that
was within our first year of doing the show. But
that that, to this day is one of my favorite episodes,
(04:25):
since we talked so much about self care on here,
Like how have you maintained I mean dipty Candles thought like,
it sounds like you enjoy things that make you feel good. Yes,
I buy a lot of garbage. Um but it's all
garbage that I need, of course. Um My, like my
(04:52):
self care, I am not good at any of the
physical things you should do for yourself. I never drink.
I was just complaining because I had to pee because
my wife made me drink a bunch of water before
we got here, and I was like, this is why
I don't drink water, because then you got to run
around looking for our bathroom all the time. You can't
even say hello to people when you walk in their house,
(05:14):
you have to be like, oh, where's your bathroom? You know,
I don't want to be the first. So I'm bad
at all the like vitamins and fruit part of for yourself,
but I'm very good at the like lactic acid cream
that you put on your face. I did one dooring,
(05:37):
well you were on maternity leave, but I interviewed Johnson,
you weren't. There is she She talked about her divorce
in an incredibly vulnerable way, and it was really moving.
I think sometimes we have these interviews like we did
(05:58):
one recently with Um Winter Mitchell, and that was also
incredibly like the conversations can just get extremely intimate and
personal and vulnerable in a way that I personally feel
very honored that people feel like this is a space
where they can tap into those feelings and have those conversations.
(06:21):
So that is why that conversation with Jackie came to mind.
Um and also the one we had recently with Winter,
it was just I mean, Dorry and I like after
every interview we literally one of us will text the other.
It's just like I love that person so much, I
could do this like never, it never fails, Like we are.
(06:44):
I think we both feel incredibly privilege that we just like,
once a week we get to talk to someone amazing. Joe,
you included Oh my gosh, I loved I loved getting
to come on the show. But I think that that
enthusiasm really show was in your interviews, because I can
tell when a host is phoning it in, and I
(07:05):
can also tell when a host is so enthusiastic and
just excited and curious about whoever, anyone, whoever they're talking to,
and you guys have that enthusiasm, and I think it's
just infectious. I feel there's a handful of podcasts where
I feel happier after I listen, and yours is one
of them. Yours is one that injects joy into my day. Well,
(07:28):
thank you, Joe. Um. You know, I think it also
helps that like we we don't book anyone who we
feel lukewarm about, you know, like we only book people
because we are the we run this show like we're
really excited about. And whether it's an author you know
(07:49):
whose book we've read or you know are going to read,
or just you know, someone who we've heard about who
we want to talk to. Um, it's just it's people
who were like really excited to talk to. It's never like, oh,
did you see what we're talking to this week? You
know what I mean. It's always like, oh did you
like we get to talk to like so and so
(08:10):
this week? Um? So I think that that definitely helps.
I think also, um we both enjoy getting to do
the podcast, like and I know this is it's been
so therapeutic during COVID that like three times a week
I get to talk to my dear friend Dory, you know,
and we get and we get to talk to listeners
(08:32):
and hear from people. It's just it is fun. I
personally of the time feel you know what I'm going
to say. A percent of the time I feel better
in my day after we record the podcast. It's always
like it's always like a spirit lifter, a mood lifter. Yeah.
I think you guys are cheaper and better than therapy.
I really do. Maybe we should start charging Yeah. Yeah,
(09:22):
this is the part of the podcast where we dive
into your podcast recommendations. We want to hear everything that
you guys are loving. Right now, hold on, I've got
to pull up my MANI podcast acts that I have
on my phone. Well, I I basically just went through
and listen to every episode of Maintenance Phase. And I
(09:43):
think Dory has also been doing that. We kind of
like synch this up with the Moon. We didn't intend
to both get into it. But there are another podcast
to like their Friendship and Rapport is so wonderful Slash.
You're sitting there learning such amazing information, Like I just
(10:04):
feel like my eyes just constantly being opened, um by them.
And if if you've never heard of Maintenance Face, it's
a podcast hosted by um Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes
and Um they're both writers and they talk about diet
culture and fat phobia and the many ways it kind
(10:24):
of manifests throughout our lives and throughout pop culture and
it is and you know, throughout the health system. I
mean they just cover everything, like everything from talking about
the documentary Supersize Me to talking about you know, wellness
influencers to the b M I and I mean just everything.
And it's just a really brilliant podcast. Yeah, I know,
(10:47):
I love it. It's they really do talk about everything. Yeah,
from vibrators too. There was a two parts, a two
parter which I love a good two partter episode on
Rachel Hollis so good, so good. There have been somewhere
I've been I've just kind of like wept listening to UM.
(11:09):
I think they did kind of this really great UM
kind of like a three parter where they talk about
like the b M I the quote obesity epidemic then called.
Then the next episode was the Great Protein Fiasco, and
that was really eye opening. They also did a really
great Oprah, Like the Oprah episode on her Wagon of
Fat was just really illuminating because that's such a large
(11:33):
kind of pop culture moment from my childhood that that
I think has intertwined itself with my own feelings about
body image and diet culture and everything else. So I mean,
you kind of you just kind of can't go wrong
with any episode. Honestly, you can really breaking anywhere and
just go for it. So we're going to talk about
the Wagon of Fat episode, Oprah's Big Weight Lost episode.
(11:57):
I will see this. I've at this point done a
fair amount of research for this show, a lot of
it hard to stomach or like really unpleasant or whatever.
None has made me as sad as looking at press
coverage of Oprah in the number of headlines that came
up from that late eighties coverage with specific numbers about
(12:21):
Oprah's weight in the headlines, the number of headlines and
stories about whether or not Steadman is just using her
for her money because he couldn't possibly be in love
with a fat woman. Every aspect of Oprah's identity and
experience is up for this really ruthless and kind of
heartless kind of debate. She's this fat? How fat? Should
(12:45):
she like? Your better? When she was fat? Now she's thin?
But but but right that just like everyone is having
all of their garbage feelings and opinions out like in
print and on TV about her all the time. But
I don't know if I actually am familiar with this
the wagon of fat? Did you join their patreon because
(13:07):
they have all those finus episodes? I should join their patreon?
Good idea, Dorry, I haven't, but thank you, thank you,
I will do that. M H. Well. I I also
think joining the patreons of podcasts that you love is
a great thing because I think you genuinely do get
really great bonus content that you don't get generally. Do
(13:27):
you guys? Do you guys do a patreon? We do not? No? Well,
I think you should. I think you should. You should
work even harder, ladies. You know, we've had these conversations
and we've gotten feedback from listeners, and we've always kind
of maintained that we've tried to keep the podcast not
behind any sort of paywall, but we have definitely, I mean,
(13:50):
we definitely have looked into it, and we think there's
a lot of amazing stuff being done with Patreon and
other programs like that. So I would say the the
door is not closed, Okay, you're gonna leave the door
open like Sonic Doory. What else are you listening to?
(14:12):
I love the TCM podcast right turn classic movies. The
plot thickens. Anyone listen to this? Oh my god, it's
so good. So season two was amazing. It was the
story of the making of Bonfire of the Vanities by
(14:36):
and the host was the woman who wrote the book
The Devil's Candy, which is the book about the making
of the movie The Bonfire of the Vanities, which was
this enormous flop but was supposed to be like this
huge movie starring Tom Hanks and Melanie Griffith Tom Hanks
completely miscast. Anyway, it's a great podcast. And then this season,
(14:56):
they did Um lucill All and that was also great,
So I'm a big fan of the plot Thickens from
Turner Classic Movies. Television was new back then compared to
radio and movies, the TV audience was tiny. The new
(15:18):
show was going to be called I Love Lucy, with
Lucy's real life husband Desi Arnaz as her co star,
the beautiful Tropic Gun. Putting Desi in the show was
also a gamble. CBS hated the idea Desi was Cuban.
The network thought it would be scandalous for them to
play husband and wife. Lucy and Desi had only a
(15:43):
few months to land a sponsor, hire a cast, shoot
the show, and most importantly make it funny. You know
a podcast that I've started listening to recently that I
found just surprisingly delightful. Mini Driver has a podcast. Oh yeah, okay,
(16:10):
go right, So you don't you don't know that this
is something that you need And then you listen to
Mini Driver. It's called Mini Questions with with Mini Driver
and Questions Mini Questions and she kind of does a
like Proust questionnaire for people like with with her guests. Yeah,
(16:33):
and she recently had great in Carter on and Debbie Harry.
I think that Debbie Harry episode is a really nice
mini questions to start with, and they're short, they're like
twenty two minutes. But but I find Mini Driver's voice
very soothing, and I like Mini Driver. I like Mini
(16:54):
Driver too, and she she's a really good interviewer. So
if if you're looking to add a new podcast here list,
I say, I say, try out some mini questions. This
is a hot tip. Okay, what quality do you like
least about yourself? Oh? Well, I've been working on that
(17:18):
I have. It's funny you should ask that, you know.
I think I used to if I was backed up
against the wall or something and I felt threatened or
paranoid or afraid, I would react with anger and it
was an inappropriate reaction. And so I try not to
do that anymore. I'm very very aware of it, and
(17:41):
I guess I've become too much of an adult. But
I mean, I do have moments of terrible temper, but
not so not so unreasonable as it once was. You know,
that reminded me. That remind to me of another podcast,
(18:02):
a celebrity hosted podcast, which I'm usually sort of like about.
I know, I know me too. But there's a podcast
called That Thing I Do hosted by st Him and
Darren Chris. They did one season. I don't know if
it's coming back, um, but they basically talked to like
famous friends of theirs. But they're both really smart and
(18:24):
like very engaging and it's actually a great podcast. So
that's another recommendation. Oh my gosh, I just pulled up
the podcast art for That Thing I Do and it's
st and Darren um as Adam and Eve with big
leaves over there over there their parts all right, yeah, yeah,
(18:48):
I know. I don't know why I'm so surprised when
a celebrity podcast is actually good, But I am really surprised,
well because if it can feel a little bit like
they're like jumping on the bandwag him and just think
it's like something easy quote unquote to do, which as
professional podcasters as we all are, we know it is
(19:09):
not easy to do. And just because you are famous
does not mean you are interesting. I mean we I'm
sure we could each list several podcasts hosted by TikTok.
Famous people who that aren't just a snoozefest. They shall
remain nameless, were never name names. You know who is
a reality star who I think is a good um
(19:32):
podcaster is Nick Vial from the Bachelor franchise or Vile.
I don't even know how to say his last name.
But he hosts kind of like a reality show bachelor
show podcast called the Vile Files, and he really puts
people in the hot seat. Yeah, do you think we
think that's partly because like almost like people don't expect
(19:54):
to be put in the hot seat by him. That's
how they come up with their guard down. You know,
it's great question. I like, I actually and ironically enjoy
I actually think he's a good interviewer. Um. I don't
know if Nick is an anomaly in the because there
are a ton of Bachelor and Bachelor gottestants who as podcasts.
(20:15):
But there's so much I mean, we should do so
much episode of the pod Club on the universe, the multiverse,
the m c U of Bachelor Universe. It's so extensive.
But I do think Dory makes you make a good
point that you know, it's it's like this idea of
going viral, like it's it looks easy, but it actually
(20:37):
takes a lot of work and not everybody can do it,
and I think podcasting really is challenging. Um, and it's
a compliment if people, you know, I think it's easy
because it means you know you're doing a good job.
I guess, But yeah, may a good show is not easy.
It's not it's not. And look, not all of us
have you know Conan O'Brien money, let's you know a
(21:01):
lot of people are doing these not I mean, his
podcast is fine, but like, you know, a lot of
people are doing this in a really scrappy way, scrappier
than Dorry. And I like that's you know, people really
some people really doing it on their own. And it's
doing it on their own. It's hard, all right. So
the Vile Files, I'm going to down, down, down. The
(21:24):
latest episode is Nick with Justin Long. Yeah. He did
one with Shane from Love Is Blind recently. That was
okay cool. So one one last thing that we ask
everyone on this show is what and we cover this
a little bit, but what podcast would you recommend for
people that don't listen to podcasts or that come up
(21:46):
to you and say, I don't know what a podcast is.
Help me out, like, why should I be listening to
them besides your podcast? Because we we hear that a
lot that people don't know, don't don't know how to
find good podcasts. Well, there are a lot of podcasts.
There's so many, there's so many topics to be discussed
(22:06):
via podcast. I guess it kind of depends on what
the person is interested in. I mean, that's the thing, right,
Like you can go to Apple podcasts or whatever. You know, However,
you listen to podcasts and search for a topic and
literally like almost any topic like a podcast will come
up about it. So that almost, guys, Let's play a game.
(22:30):
Let's play a game. I'm on Apple Podcasts. Give me
the most random search search term you can think of,
and let's figure out. Let's find out what podcast is
about that that thing. Oh god, this is a fun game.
Um um um. Ok. But how about this is like
(22:51):
improv Olympic swimming. Okay, okay, Olympic swimming. Oh holy shit,
there's so many swimming podcasts, the swim Swam podcast. If
you just if you just searched swimming, there's even more. Yeah,
(23:12):
I mean, I can tell you. I did this recently
because I've been really obsessed with the Ice Planet Barbarians
book series, and so I just searched Ice Planet Barbarians
in Apple podcast because they just wanted to listen to
people talk about these books, and there was so much
and these are like these are a well known but
like also, you know a Kindle unlimited series. It's not
(23:33):
like I'm asking about, you know, like who is it
Michael Patterson? You know, like I'm not asking about, right,
James Patterson, James Patterson, Michael Patterson, who knows a man's
name with Patterson at the end. They're not the books
I read. I read about alien romance? What is this
book series? I've never heard of this. Poor Dorry has
(23:55):
to hear about it literally like seventy times a week.
So it's a very niche roman genre of a humans
stranded on an ice planet who then fall in love
with aliens. But if that piques your curiosity, I will
happily tell you more. Doesn't not pique my curiosity. I'm
actually really here for that, all right, give me one
(24:16):
more search term to see if I can find if
it make this make this more random? More random? Um?
How about Ham Radio Radio, Ham Radio, Crash Course Podcast,
Ham Radio Workbench Podcast, Ham Radio two point out, the
Ham Radio podcast. There's a podcast Okay, my point is proven.
(24:38):
Your point is proven. There's a podcast for everything, all right?
With that? With that, I'm just gonna quit. I'm just
gonna quit dorate this right now. That's it for today's
pod Club. That's all we got. We've proved once again.
But there's a podcast for everything and for everyone, and
(25:02):
I hope that we are helping you find your thing
in the big, vast world of the many, many podcasts
that are out there. As a reminder, here's what we
talked about today. Maintenance phase, the plot chickens, many questions
with many driver, that thing I do with Darren Chris
and SDH, I am the Vile Files. And of course
(25:26):
you should definitely be listening to Forever thirty five for
recommendations on all other aspects of your life. Yes, we
love podcasts, you should be listening to them, but you
should also be a well rounded human being in the world.
So go forth, listen and discover some great stuff. Happy listening,
Be good, my friends. The pod Club is hosted by
(25:49):
me Joe Pianza. Our executive producers are Me Again and
Emily marinof our producers are Mary Do and Darby Masters.
Our associate producer is Lauren Philip. Our theme and additional
music was composed by Aaron Copman. Aaron Kaufman is also
our consulting producer and special thanks to Nikki Etor. He
(26:11):
was just a wonderful human being who I like to
think at the end of episodes.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, the only thing
that's really gonna like, quote unquote fix your wrinkles, which like,
again I don't like that word, but just repeating what
you said is botox, right right? So good good? Yeah,
well I've got an appointment on Wednesday, so that that
(00:20):
should work for me. Great, you're covered. Not good that
I'm covered. But I thought I just thought i'd be able.
What other what else can I try? What can I try? Yeah,
I mean it's like the worst answer. But like, also
the truth is like radical self acceptance in the face
of a patriarchal society, Like there's no like you know
what I mean, what are we going to do? It's
a podcast. Hello, and welcome back to the pod Club.
(00:49):
Today we are bringing you Dori Shaffreer and Kate Spencer
of Forever thirty five. Dorian Kate's Forever thirty five is
one of those podcasts it's been around for aisle, but
it's also people's favorite, and it's because Dori and Kate
feel like they're You're, really good friends and they're just
sitting around shooting the ship, talking about what keeps them going,
(01:10):
what keeps life feeling okay? On a daily basis, products, activities,
things to watch, all of the stuff. Forever thirty five
is one of those just classically conversational shows that make
you feel like you're sitting on a couch with your friends.
And if I missed anything in the pandemic, it was
couch sitting, usually with a few glasses of wine. And frankly,
(01:32):
I've got to say, there can never be too many
chatty women in the podcast world. So I was very
excited to talk to them about how they've managed to
pull off such a delightful and a long running show.
I want to hear a little bit about how the
two of you came together to do a podcast like
(01:54):
Forever thirty five, which when you started there really wasn't
anything like it out there, and now there's there's a
lot of shows that talk that talked to women in
in a like honest way about health and wellness and
fitness and beauty. But you guys were the pioneers in
this space. How did you know that this would be
a thing that people wanted to listen to. Wow, that's
(02:17):
so nice that you would cause pioneers. I think we
were honestly just seeking to create content that we ourselves
wanted to be listening to and wanted to emulate conversations
that we were having with our friends. You know, I
was in my late thirties story, I think you were
late thirties and just turned forty, and a lot of
(02:37):
the conversations that we were having all the time personally,
we're not happening in any of the media we consumed,
And a lot of the conversation around things like skincare
and self care is often created by people younger than
us or kind of um promoted through a really aspirational
(02:58):
and often on a hantable lens. And I think we
were both trying to find ways in which this stuff
could actually be accessible and where we could also kind
of learn more. So it really was just like, how
do we how do we take the group chat and
turn it into a podcast? Oh? I love I love
(03:19):
that description. That's yeah, that's like literally it, you know.
So it's good to hear that we still for a
four plus years later. I know, what, do you guys
have a favorite episode of Forever thirty five, Like a
favorite interview that you've done? Oh gosh, you know, it
(03:43):
was an early interview, but I feel like our interview
with Sam Herby. I was going to say that one
is like a kind of if I may use this word,
iconic Forever thirty five interview. She's just so funny and
smart and engaging, and we talked to a products and
(04:04):
it just like ran the gamut of a Forever thirty
five interview. It was also pre pandemic, so we got
to do it in person. So yeah, that was that
was within our first year of doing the show. But
that that, to this day is one of my favorite episodes,
(04:25):
since we talked so much about self care on here,
Like how have you maintained I mean dipty Candles thought like,
it sounds like you enjoy things that make you feel good. Yes,
I buy a lot of garbage. Um but it's all
garbage that I need, of course. Um My, like my
(04:52):
self care, I am not good at any of the
physical things you should do for yourself. I never drink.
I was just complaining because I had to pee because
my wife made me drink a bunch of water before
we got here, and I was like, this is why
I don't drink water, because then you got to run
around looking for our bathroom all the time. You can't
even say hello to people when you walk in their house,
(05:14):
you have to be like, oh, where's your bathroom? You know,
I don't want to be the first. So I'm bad
at all the like vitamins and fruit part of for yourself,
but I'm very good at the like lactic acid cream
that you put on your face. I did one dooring,
(05:37):
well you were on maternity leave, but I interviewed Johnson,
you weren't. There is she She talked about her divorce
in an incredibly vulnerable way, and it was really moving.
I think sometimes we have these interviews like we did
(05:58):
one recently with Um Winter Mitchell, and that was also
incredibly like the conversations can just get extremely intimate and
personal and vulnerable in a way that I personally feel
very honored that people feel like this is a space
where they can tap into those feelings and have those conversations.
(06:21):
So that is why that conversation with Jackie came to mind.
Um and also the one we had recently with Winter,
it was just I mean, Dorry and I like after
every interview we literally one of us will text the other.
It's just like I love that person so much, I
could do this like never, it never fails, Like we are.
(06:44):
I think we both feel incredibly privilege that we just like,
once a week we get to talk to someone amazing. Joe,
you included Oh my gosh, I loved I loved getting
to come on the show. But I think that that
enthusiasm really show was in your interviews, because I can
tell when a host is phoning it in, and I
(07:05):
can also tell when a host is so enthusiastic and
just excited and curious about whoever, anyone, whoever they're talking to,
and you guys have that enthusiasm, and I think it's
just infectious. I feel there's a handful of podcasts where
I feel happier after I listen, and yours is one
of them. Yours is one that injects joy into my day. Well,
(07:28):
thank you, Joe. Um. You know, I think it also
helps that like we we don't book anyone who we
feel lukewarm about, you know, like we only book people
because we are the we run this show like we're
really excited about. And whether it's an author you know
(07:49):
whose book we've read or you know are going to read,
or just you know, someone who we've heard about who
we want to talk to. Um, it's just it's people
who were like really excited to talk to. It's never like, oh,
did you see what we're talking to this week? You
know what I mean. It's always like, oh did you
like we get to talk to like so and so
(08:10):
this week? Um? So I think that that definitely helps.
I think also, um we both enjoy getting to do
the podcast, like and I know this is it's been
so therapeutic during COVID that like three times a week
I get to talk to my dear friend Dory, you know,
and we get and we get to talk to listeners
(08:32):
and hear from people. It's just it is fun. I
personally of the time feel you know what I'm going
to say. A percent of the time I feel better
in my day after we record the podcast. It's always
like it's always like a spirit lifter, a mood lifter. Yeah.
I think you guys are cheaper and better than therapy.
I really do. Maybe we should start charging Yeah. Yeah,
(09:22):
this is the part of the podcast where we dive
into your podcast recommendations. We want to hear everything that
you guys are loving. Right now, hold on, I've got
to pull up my MANI podcast acts that I have
on my phone. Well, I I basically just went through
and listen to every episode of Maintenance Phase. And I
(09:43):
think Dory has also been doing that. We kind of
like synch this up with the Moon. We didn't intend
to both get into it. But there are another podcast
to like their Friendship and Rapport is so wonderful Slash.
You're sitting there learning such amazing information, Like I just
(10:04):
feel like my eyes just constantly being opened, um by them.
And if if you've never heard of Maintenance Face, it's
a podcast hosted by um Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes
and Um they're both writers and they talk about diet
culture and fat phobia and the many ways it kind
(10:24):
of manifests throughout our lives and throughout pop culture and
it is and you know, throughout the health system. I
mean they just cover everything, like everything from talking about
the documentary Supersize Me to talking about you know, wellness
influencers to the b M I and I mean just everything.
And it's just a really brilliant podcast. Yeah, I know,
(10:47):
I love it. It's they really do talk about everything. Yeah,
from vibrators too. There was a two parts, a two
parter which I love a good two partter episode on
Rachel Hollis so good, so good. There have been somewhere
I've been I've just kind of like wept listening to UM.
(11:09):
I think they did kind of this really great UM
kind of like a three parter where they talk about
like the b M I the quote obesity epidemic then called.
Then the next episode was the Great Protein Fiasco, and
that was really eye opening. They also did a really
great Oprah, Like the Oprah episode on her Wagon of
Fat was just really illuminating because that's such a large
(11:33):
kind of pop culture moment from my childhood that that
I think has intertwined itself with my own feelings about
body image and diet culture and everything else. So I mean,
you kind of you just kind of can't go wrong
with any episode. Honestly, you can really breaking anywhere and
just go for it. So we're going to talk about
the Wagon of Fat episode, Oprah's Big Weight Lost episode.
(11:57):
I will see this. I've at this point done a
fair amount of research for this show, a lot of
it hard to stomach or like really unpleasant or whatever.
None has made me as sad as looking at press
coverage of Oprah in the number of headlines that came
up from that late eighties coverage with specific numbers about
(12:21):
Oprah's weight in the headlines, the number of headlines and
stories about whether or not Steadman is just using her
for her money because he couldn't possibly be in love
with a fat woman. Every aspect of Oprah's identity and
experience is up for this really ruthless and kind of
heartless kind of debate. She's this fat? How fat? Should
(12:45):
she like? Your better? When she was fat? Now she's thin?
But but but right that just like everyone is having
all of their garbage feelings and opinions out like in
print and on TV about her all the time. But
I don't know if I actually am familiar with this
the wagon of fat? Did you join their patreon because
(13:07):
they have all those finus episodes? I should join their patreon?
Good idea, Dorry, I haven't, but thank you, thank you,
I will do that. M H. Well. I I also
think joining the patreons of podcasts that you love is
a great thing because I think you genuinely do get
really great bonus content that you don't get generally. Do
(13:27):
you guys? Do you guys do a patreon? We do not? No? Well,
I think you should. I think you should. You should
work even harder, ladies. You know, we've had these conversations
and we've gotten feedback from listeners, and we've always kind
of maintained that we've tried to keep the podcast not
behind any sort of paywall, but we have definitely, I mean,
(13:50):
we definitely have looked into it, and we think there's
a lot of amazing stuff being done with Patreon and
other programs like that. So I would say the the
door is not closed, Okay, you're gonna leave the door
open like Sonic Doory. What else are you listening to?
(14:12):
I love the TCM podcast right turn classic movies. The
plot thickens. Anyone listen to this? Oh my god, it's
so good. So season two was amazing. It was the
story of the making of Bonfire of the Vanities by
(14:36):
and the host was the woman who wrote the book
The Devil's Candy, which is the book about the making
of the movie The Bonfire of the Vanities, which was
this enormous flop but was supposed to be like this
huge movie starring Tom Hanks and Melanie Griffith Tom Hanks
completely miscast. Anyway, it's a great podcast. And then this season,
(14:56):
they did Um lucill All and that was also great,
So I'm a big fan of the plot Thickens from
Turner Classic Movies. Television was new back then compared to
radio and movies, the TV audience was tiny. The new
(15:18):
show was going to be called I Love Lucy, with
Lucy's real life husband Desi Arnaz as her co star,
the beautiful Tropic Gun. Putting Desi in the show was
also a gamble. CBS hated the idea Desi was Cuban.
The network thought it would be scandalous for them to
play husband and wife. Lucy and Desi had only a
(15:43):
few months to land a sponsor, hire a cast, shoot
the show, and most importantly make it funny. You know
a podcast that I've started listening to recently that I
found just surprisingly delightful. Mini Driver has a podcast. Oh yeah, okay,
(16:10):
go right, So you don't you don't know that this
is something that you need And then you listen to
Mini Driver. It's called Mini Questions with with Mini Driver
and Questions Mini Questions and she kind of does a
like Proust questionnaire for people like with with her guests. Yeah,
(16:33):
and she recently had great in Carter on and Debbie Harry.
I think that Debbie Harry episode is a really nice
mini questions to start with, and they're short, they're like
twenty two minutes. But but I find Mini Driver's voice
very soothing, and I like Mini Driver. I like Mini
(16:54):
Driver too, and she she's a really good interviewer. So
if if you're looking to add a new podcast here list,
I say, I say, try out some mini questions. This
is a hot tip. Okay, what quality do you like
least about yourself? Oh? Well, I've been working on that
(17:18):
I have. It's funny you should ask that, you know.
I think I used to if I was backed up
against the wall or something and I felt threatened or
paranoid or afraid, I would react with anger and it
was an inappropriate reaction. And so I try not to
do that anymore. I'm very very aware of it, and
(17:41):
I guess I've become too much of an adult. But
I mean, I do have moments of terrible temper, but
not so not so unreasonable as it once was. You know,
that reminded me. That remind to me of another podcast,
(18:02):
a celebrity hosted podcast, which I'm usually sort of like about.
I know, I know me too. But there's a podcast
called That Thing I Do hosted by st Him and
Darren Chris. They did one season. I don't know if
it's coming back, um, but they basically talked to like
famous friends of theirs. But they're both really smart and
(18:24):
like very engaging and it's actually a great podcast. So
that's another recommendation. Oh my gosh, I just pulled up
the podcast art for That Thing I Do and it's
st and Darren um as Adam and Eve with big
leaves over there over there their parts all right, yeah, yeah,
(18:48):
I know. I don't know why I'm so surprised when
a celebrity podcast is actually good, But I am really surprised,
well because if it can feel a little bit like
they're like jumping on the bandwag him and just think
it's like something easy quote unquote to do, which as
professional podcasters as we all are, we know it is
(19:09):
not easy to do. And just because you are famous
does not mean you are interesting. I mean we I'm
sure we could each list several podcasts hosted by TikTok.
Famous people who that aren't just a snoozefest. They shall
remain nameless, were never name names. You know who is
a reality star who I think is a good um
(19:32):
podcaster is Nick Vial from the Bachelor franchise or Vile.
I don't even know how to say his last name.
But he hosts kind of like a reality show bachelor
show podcast called the Vile Files, and he really puts
people in the hot seat. Yeah, do you think we
think that's partly because like almost like people don't expect
(19:54):
to be put in the hot seat by him. That's
how they come up with their guard down. You know,
it's great question. I like, I actually and ironically enjoy
I actually think he's a good interviewer. Um. I don't
know if Nick is an anomaly in the because there
are a ton of Bachelor and Bachelor gottestants who as podcasts.
(20:15):
But there's so much I mean, we should do so
much episode of the pod Club on the universe, the multiverse,
the m c U of Bachelor Universe. It's so extensive.
But I do think Dory makes you make a good
point that you know, it's it's like this idea of
going viral, like it's it looks easy, but it actually
(20:37):
takes a lot of work and not everybody can do it,
and I think podcasting really is challenging. Um, and it's
a compliment if people, you know, I think it's easy
because it means you know you're doing a good job.
I guess, But yeah, may a good show is not easy.
It's not it's not. And look, not all of us
have you know Conan O'Brien money, let's you know a
(21:01):
lot of people are doing these not I mean, his
podcast is fine, but like, you know, a lot of
people are doing this in a really scrappy way, scrappier
than Dorry. And I like that's you know, people really
some people really doing it on their own. And it's
doing it on their own. It's hard, all right. So
the Vile Files, I'm going to down, down, down. The
(21:24):
latest episode is Nick with Justin Long. Yeah. He did
one with Shane from Love Is Blind recently. That was
okay cool. So one one last thing that we ask
everyone on this show is what and we cover this
a little bit, but what podcast would you recommend for
people that don't listen to podcasts or that come up
(21:46):
to you and say, I don't know what a podcast is.
Help me out, like, why should I be listening to
them besides your podcast? Because we we hear that a
lot that people don't know, don't don't know how to
find good podcasts. Well, there are a lot of podcasts.
There's so many, there's so many topics to be discussed
(22:06):
via podcast. I guess it kind of depends on what
the person is interested in. I mean, that's the thing, right,
Like you can go to Apple podcasts or whatever. You know, However,
you listen to podcasts and search for a topic and
literally like almost any topic like a podcast will come
up about it. So that almost, guys, Let's play a game.
(22:30):
Let's play a game. I'm on Apple Podcasts. Give me
the most random search search term you can think of,
and let's figure out. Let's find out what podcast is
about that that thing. Oh god, this is a fun game.
Um um um. Ok. But how about this is like
(22:51):
improv Olympic swimming. Okay, okay, Olympic swimming. Oh holy shit,
there's so many swimming podcasts, the swim Swam podcast. If
you just if you just searched swimming, there's even more. Yeah,
(23:12):
I mean, I can tell you. I did this recently
because I've been really obsessed with the Ice Planet Barbarians
book series, and so I just searched Ice Planet Barbarians
in Apple podcast because they just wanted to listen to
people talk about these books, and there was so much
and these are like these are a well known but
like also, you know a Kindle unlimited series. It's not
(23:33):
like I'm asking about, you know, like who is it
Michael Patterson? You know, like I'm not asking about, right,
James Patterson, James Patterson, Michael Patterson, who knows a man's
name with Patterson at the end. They're not the books
I read. I read about alien romance? What is this
book series? I've never heard of this. Poor Dorry has
(23:55):
to hear about it literally like seventy times a week.
So it's a very niche roman genre of a humans
stranded on an ice planet who then fall in love
with aliens. But if that piques your curiosity, I will
happily tell you more. Doesn't not pique my curiosity. I'm
actually really here for that, all right, give me one
(24:16):
more search term to see if I can find if
it make this make this more random? More random? Um?
How about Ham Radio Radio, Ham Radio, Crash Course Podcast,
Ham Radio Workbench Podcast, Ham Radio two point out, the
Ham Radio podcast. There's a podcast Okay, my point is proven.
(24:38):
Your point is proven. There's a podcast for everything, all right?
With that? With that, I'm just gonna quit. I'm just
gonna quit dorate this right now. That's it for today's
pod Club. That's all we got. We've proved once again.
But there's a podcast for everything and for everyone, and
(25:02):
I hope that we are helping you find your thing
in the big, vast world of the many, many podcasts
that are out there. As a reminder, here's what we
talked about today. Maintenance phase, the plot chickens, many questions
with many driver, that thing I do with Darren Chris
and SDH, I am the Vile Files. And of course
(25:26):
you should definitely be listening to Forever thirty five for
recommendations on all other aspects of your life. Yes, we
love podcasts, you should be listening to them, but you
should also be a well rounded human being in the world.
So go forth, listen and discover some great stuff. Happy listening,
Be good, my friends. The pod Club is hosted by
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me Joe Pianza. Our executive producers are Me Again and
Emily marinof our producers are Mary Do and Darby Masters.
Our associate producer is Lauren Philip. Our theme and additional
music was composed by Aaron Copman. Aaron Kaufman is also
our consulting producer and special thanks to Nikki Etor. He
(26:11):
was just a wonderful human being who I like to
think at the end of episodes.
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